Draft week begins with a stroll down memory lane

Just for laughs – and to start a few water-cooler arguments – let’s look back at the Canadiens’ recent first-round draft choices.

For each of the last 10 years, we list the Canadiens pick(s), then a player or players whom they might have chosen, followed by later-round choices that have worked out well.

We’d have gone back farther, but that gets you into the heartbreak of such first-round busts as Éric Chouinard, Jason Ward, Matt Higgins, Terry Ryan, Brad Brown, David Wilkie, Brent Bilodeau and Turner Stevenson.

With the notable exception of Saku Koivu, 21st overall in 1993, the ’90s were a lost decade for first-rounders.

On the other hand, the Canadiens got Andrei Markov with the 162nd pick of the 1998 draft (which also yielded Mike Ribeiro, François Beauchemin and Michael Ryder).

The 1980s began with the team’s last first overall pick. And with Denis Svard available, they took Doug Wickenheiser – kicking off a dreary decade that saw first-round choices wasted on Mark Hunter, Alain Héroux, Alfie Turcotte, José Charbonneau (that’s him, with the poofy hair, in the pic), Mark Pederson, Andrew Cassels, Éric Charron and Lindsay Vallis.

The 21st century has been better for first-round picks … but let’s second-guess them anyway.


2009: Canadiens took Louis Leblanc (18th overall). They could have taken: No obvious second-guesses. Later-round bonus: Mac Bennett (3rd round, 79th overall

2008: No first-round pick. Canadiens took Danny Kristo in the second-round, 56th overall. Again, no obvious One Who Got Away. And Maxim Trunev (5th round, 138 overall) might be a player if they ever get him out of Russia.

2007: Ryan McDonough (12th overall) and Max Pacioretty (22nd) in the first round. Colton Gillies was still on the board when McDonough was picked, and David Perron went four spots after Pacioretty. (Lars Eller went one spot after McDonough). But the Canadiens got P.K. Subban in the second round, 43rd overall (one spot before Aaron Palushaj).

2006: Canadiens took David Fischer 20th overall. Two picks later, the Flyers took Claude Giroux. Later in the first round, Patrik Berglund went to St. Louis and Nick Foligno to Ottawa. Possibe sleeper: Ryan Whte in the third round … but that doesn’t make up for missing out on Giroux.

2005: Carey Price, the Franchise, chosen 5th overall (one pick after Minesota took Benoit Pouliot). Still on the board at that point: Devin Setoguchi, Anze Kopitar, Marc Staal, Tuukka Rask, T.J. Oshie and Andrew Cogliano. Canadiens took Sergei Kostitsyn in the seventh round, and that looked like a steal for a while. Not so much lately.

2004: Kyle Chipchura, 18th overall. Still on the board: Travis Zajac, Andrej Meszaros, Jeff Schultz and Mike Green. But the Canadiens took Mark Streit in the 9th round, 262nd overall.

2003: Do we even want to talk about it? The Canadiens took Andrei Kostitsyn 10th overall. Still available: Jeff Carter, Dustin Brown, Brent Seabrook, Steve Bernier, Zach Parise, Eric Fehr, Ryan Getzlaf, Brent Burns, Ryan Kesler, Mike Richards and Corey Perry. In the second round the Canadiens took Corey Urquhart with Patrice Bergeron, Matt Carle and Shea Weber available. Then they took Maxim Lapierre one spot ahead of David Backes. Heartbreaking … but the Canadiens got Ryan O’Byrne in the third and, with the 271st overall choice, Jaro Halak in the 9th round.

2002: Christopher Higgins in the first round, 14th overall. No obvious first-round overlooks, but Cam Ward lasted till the 25th pick. Canadiens took Tomas Linhart in the second round ahead of Matt Stajan, Jiri Hudler, Johnny Boychuk and Tomas Fleischmann. Later rounds were a wash … but maybe Konstantin Korneev will come over once he’s 35 and washed-up.

2001: Mike Komisarek (seventh) and Alexander Prezhogin (25th) were chosen the first round. Komo went ahead of Tuomo Ruutu, Dan Hamhuis, Ales Hemsky and Colby Armstrong. Perezhogin was picked with Derek Roy still available. But the Canadiens took Tomas Plekanec in the third round (71st overall).

2000: Ron Hainsey (13th) and Marcel “The Other” Hossa (16th) were the first-round picks. Still on the board: Brooks Orpik, Alexander Frolov, Brad Boyes, Steve Ott, Justin Williams and Niklas Kronwall. A wasted draft, but third-round pick Josef Balej was traded for Alex Kovalev.

Scouting is an inexact science. And hindsight is 20-20.

said, this team has come a long way from 1971 – when the first round
yielded Guy Lafleur, Chuck Arnason and Murray Wilson, with Larry
Robinson added in the second round.

Whom will the Canadiens pick
with 27th choice on Friday night?

Let the free advice begin.



  1. TomNickle says:

    I didn’t play college or university football.

    Just in high school.

    We can compare if you’d like.

    Starting with the year 2000 when……

    Peter Warrick(4th overall)

    Ron Dayne

    Travis Taylor

    Sylvester Morris

    Rashard Andersen

    Eric Flowers

    Anthony Becht

    Rob Morris

    R.J. Soward 

    and Trung Candidate  were all taken in the first round of the NFL draft.

    Keep in mind you’re fighting a losing battle on this front because the NFL doesn’t have a developmental league.  Players busting out of the NFL don’t have many avenues once they leave.  Arena football and the CFL.  Some from the early part of the early 2000s had NFL Europe but not for long.  I suppose I shouldn’t forget the XFL either.

    Storm man.  We’ll have a beer someday and you can come at me with any question you have about football.

    Or feel free to fire away right now.

  2. Storm Man says:

    Tom what school did you play your ball at? you can look me up if your looking for something to do today. I see your talking about a few players that sure did not live up to the hype. The first round success rate in football is very good. But if you like we can see where the top 10 from the NFL draft five years ago are doing and do the same for the NHL if you like. Tom like I have said you know what your talking about when it comes to hockey. Football?

  3. SlovakHab says:

    1. definitely above average (top 10). statistically proven.

    2. only if we can hire someone better. Is there someone better available?

    3. often, it is. unless you have a top 3 pick, you gotta be lucky. IMO, development > drafting.

    4. definitely not

    5. I think they will draft all right. I believe they will get 2-3 good players for the future.

    Boston will get 1 future superstar and that bugs me the most.

  4. Storm Man says:

    That is the same in all sports.

  5. TomNickle says:

    Really?  The first round success rate for NFL players is not high.

    The first round success rate for QB’s taken in the top 10 is even worse.

    There’s a guy named Derrick Morgan who was supposed to be the next Bruce Smith who can’t get on the field playing on a team that can’t rush the passer or stop the run.

    There’s a player named Vernon Gholston who was the best pass rusher in college football for two years at Ohio State university who couldn’t get on the field with the Jets defense when Calvin Pace was suspended for four games last season.

    Storm Man, you’re a pretty solid guy by all accounts but you kinda missed the boat on this one.  Appearances aren’t what they seem.  I know my football.  


  6. SmartDog says:

    Ariely is awesome.  I don’t see a big conflict with Gladwell – they’re both really good at seeing what other people miss.

    Not signing or trading Pleks = yet another missed opportunity.

  7. TomNickle says:

    Only because Amobi Okoye entered University at the age of 16.

    Yeah, 16.

    I believe he went to Louisville.

    He’s a fascinating young man.

  8. PeterStone says:

    Thanks for the link,  Very interesting.  I will say this about the Habs draft …

    1- They are terrible at drafting between 6 and 25 … they should always move up or down depending on where they are

    2- There is no excuse for messing up the draft when it comes to picking players in your neck of the woods.  Chouinard instead of Gagne .. and that Fischer draft is buggin me, when you have a guy right down the road.

    The other stuff I get .. but those 2 points get me.

  9. dallyd31 says:

    Funny how when INFORMED folks actually do an analysis, it seems we draft pretty well when compared to the league as a whole.

    But to some that doesn’t matter…that just gets in the way of their moaing and complaining.



  10. Storm Man says:

    Tom I guess math is not your strong point. A million stories of drafted players who are busts? You know your hockey please stick to that.

  11. ed lopaz says:

    Dumont, for his size (5’9 at best), is a “late bloomer”. usually undersized guys who are pro prospects, put up big numbers in the Q – guys like Briere for example. Dumont did not get to the bug numbers in Drummondville until he was 19. But he has great heart, and tremendous intensity. he will have to light it up in Hamilton to keep going.

  12. HardHabits says:

    Says the man who came up with New Coke. Hindsight might be 20/20 but if you can’t look at past mistakes and make corrections you’re doomed to repeeat them. So friggin’ what other teams missed players. We’re not talking about other teams. The Habs are thin. The Habs lack depth. The Habs have been rushing their lack of talent to the point that they are desperately doomed to 8th place for years by the looks of it. So Philly took Carter before Richards. Both are excellent choices and given that the Habs have not only lacked size up the middle but a real #1 centre for ages the 2003 draft stands out like a sore thumb. Sorry to inform you but the Emperor has no clothes. Your post is like revisionism or a white wash. Nothing to see over here people. You sound like Kim Jong-il or some other Stalinist telling everybody everything is OK, nothing to see here people, everyone move along. Sorry bud, this is an open forum and the Habs strike out record in round 1 needs to be addressed, and it will always be until that trend turns around. Alright cupcake!

  13. TomNickle says:

    Hey Tony, the NFL draft is the most INEXACT science for evaluating talent than any of the pro sports not name baseball.

    There’s a guy right now named Brian Brohm who’s in the NFL.  He was touted to be a top 5 pick in the 2007 draft.  He didn’t enter the draft, waited another year, fell to the second round.  He subsequently stunk it up in Green Bay, was sent to the practice squad and the Buffalo Bills claimed him.

    That was a guy who was close to unanimously a first or second overall pick after his junior year in University at the age of 22.

    And he’s only one of a million NFL stories where the player was bust.

    Busts are far more common in the NFL than they are the NHL.

  14. TomNickle says:

    People keep saying Gabriel Dumont is too small.  

    The more he develops, the more he keeps proving people wrong.

    Now he’s being told he can’t bring his game to the NHL.  I’d say a pro contract is a good start.

  15. CBrady12 says:

    Funny how fans who post on blogs dont seem to know everything….its weird cause they all talk like they do

  16. Storm Man says:

    Yes he sure did plus he wants to go to graduate school at Harvard.

  17. puck face says:

    watch hoop dreams if you haven’t seen it , best documentary winner early nineties. they (scouts as well as nike and adidas)approach kids as young as 12 years old!! you think Price at 20 had a lot of pressure? you should see what these kids go through , something a liitle disturbing about grown men drooling over 12 year olds.

  18. Storm Man says:

    You can be 19 and be drafted in the NFL. Okoye did it mind you the last time that happened was 1967. 

  19. ed lopaz says:

    I remember the 2003 draft quite well.

    The Habs “doctors” had done some special tests on Big Tits to be sure that his epilepsy was under control.

    This was a concern for the other teams – but not the Habs. Too bad, they didn’t check Ak’s heart.

    There’s a saying around where I live, “you can’t teach heart”. And because of this saying I would change my

    # 1 rule of the drafting.

    Most people think you should just take the most talentd 18 year old available. I disagree.

    I would take the most talented available who ALSO showed the greatest character, work ethic, hockey IQ.

    Even if you miss a few, you are filling your system with “character” players.

    Just think Brian Gionta and Josh Gorges (who was never drafted), and each pick should resemble those guys

    in attitude, work ethic, team play.

    That’s the way I would draft.

    Still take the talent, but ONLY if it comes with character references from past coaches, scouting reports, etc.


  20. The Big O says:

    For all the bemoaning going on about the habs drafting record, the facts speak for themselves.  For the past 15 yrs of drafting, we’re at #6 and that’s despite all the so called misses… http://www.puckprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=213

    For the years 1999 to 2005, we’re at #4, http://www.sbnation.com/2010/6/14/1513198/nhl-draft-success-1999-2005  and this is from the article, “The Canadiens were simply strong in all three categories, the only team in the blue in all three categories.  They did this even while going oh-fer in the 1999 draft.  They’ve had special success with defenseman, grabbing Ron Hainsey, Mike Komisarek, Mark Streit, and even Ryan O’Byrne has a very good chance of joining this group.”

    So despite all the negativity around the Habs drafting, apparently we’re one of the best…


  21. krob1000 says:

    I think they have to be drafted very early so it is usually only the near can’t miss guys if I am not mistake n that are drafted out of high school……the Kobe’s, the Durant’s, the Garnett’s, etc….

    just checked it out…they have to be 19 and graduated from high school for one year http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Draft

  22. habitual says:

    Hey MBoone:  I know this is the dead zone for hockey writing, but all this did was reinforce how capricious draft day is.  You mention that we got Subban, Pleks, Jaro and Streit when every other team stepped over them once, twice, ten times …

    Be a sport and report in on when or if we are going to sign Pleks.

  23. Chorske says:

    Fine, read Gladwell… but then read Dan Ariely’s “Predictably Irrational” to understand why Gladwell was wrong. 😉

  24. Clay4bc says:

    You’re correct – but there’s little skill involved in that game anyway (with some exceptions). A bunch of freakishly tall guys putting a ball in a basket – and they barely have to jump to reach it.

    It’s nothing compared to hockey – the true “beautiful game”…


    “Peoples will only be truly free when the last king is strangled by the bowels of the last priest” Denis Diderot

  25. SmartDog says:

    Sorry!  I had that question in an cut it out… thought it was a much better question.  The other one was really kind of leading anyway, and we can’t really know.  I’m surprised that people think it IS a crap shoot.  I expect that experts CAN be expert and know the signs of a player that has longevity versus one that doesn’t. 

    Not signing or trading Pleks = yet another missed opportunity.

  26. Mike Boone says:

    NBA drafts high-schoolers, no?

  27. SmartDog says:

    It should be based on more than performance.

    Read Malcolm Gladwell’s book “Blink”.   I guarantee you’ll see thing more clearly.

    Not signing or trading Pleks = yet another missed opportunity.

  28. Corporate says:

    Alright… I have been reading this page for a few weeks now and I am amazed at the comments that I am seeing. The Halak trade, we kew was happening. Did we get fair value in return? May be may be not but time will tell if that trade pans out. No one in their right mind can evaluate this trade right now. Halak has proven he can goal in the NHL at a high level, but it has been one year… I wish him luck and now let us move on. Remember last year. Kovy left and half of Montreal was dying and petitioned for his resigning… The season started saw Gionta and then we were like, Kovy who? No one knows what can happen…

    Now as for draft years… Yes we might have missed out on a few players but other than 2003 which was a rich year for rookies, we didn’t do that bad.

    Andrei Kostitsyn: I agree last year he had  a rough year. But he did have years of 26 and 23 goals which is nothing to sneeze at. yes he is inconsistent but I believe with teh right coaching he can be a great player.

    Higgins: He might have turned out to be mentally unstable but Christopher Higgins managed to get years of 23, 22 and 27 goals. That isn’t bad. he was a good 2 way player. I remember him being a killer on the PK and scored a dew short handed goals.

    Mike Komisarek: Forget the fact that he chose to go to Toronto. Before the Lucic incident he was a player that hit and that blocked shots a la masse. Until Lucic, he was deemed as our next captain. So the choice to pick him was not that bad at all. he gave us a few years and now is having a harder time with TO, but if ever he gets his game back, he could be dangerous.

    Alexander Perezhogin: He was a promising young player and really loved to see him play from Montreal. Unfortunately, this was before it was hit tp go back to Russia and we couldn’t know he was going to go back. Yes he slipped but at least we still own the rights to him. 

    These are just to name a few and I didn’t go with guys that were picked later rounds that were good. Instead of looking at the bad saide of everything, just once it would be nice to see the positive part of things.

  29. HFX-HabFan says:

    Don’t worry, I’m sure that the “media” back home in North Korea will spin it off as a close loss, and if Kim Jong-Il had been in the lineup instead of being busy shooting a round of 28 on the golf course again (with six hole-in-ones), they would have prevailed.  They’ll be fine.

  30. TorontoHabsFan says:

    Well I for one am shocked, SHOCKED that trying to predict a man’s future value based on his performance prior to his 18th birthday doesn’t always work!

    This is science folks, it should be crystal clear!

  31. Clay4bc says:

    Spent 6 years in Korea (South, mind you)…this beating bothers me not one bit.

    I don’t remember ever seeing one team score 7 goals in a game before (professional level).


    “Peoples will only be truly free when the last king is strangled by the bowels of the last priest” Denis Diderot

  32. Bugs says:

    Words I’d never thought to utter but “poor North Koreans”…

    Keepin it real, I be chillin as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  33. Bill H says:

    I recently read an article which rated Canadiens drafting.  I don’t know where I saw it.  Perhaps someone can post a link.  It looked at drafting in rounds 2 and up.  I think Canadiens had the third best record in the league.  The system for rating was not flawless, but it was a decent and objective measure of how we have drafted.  First round choices have been less successful.  We have had really bad luck.  If you can call it that.  Who is to know that a David Fischer, Mr. Hockey in 2006, is going to be a bust and probably never play a game in the NHL?  If Canadiens didn’t draft him #20, someone else would have picked him up very soon.

    Canadiens have done fairly well at drafting, although there is obviously room for improvement, especially when you look at the first round.  When you look at player development, our success has not been so good.  And that is why so many people are pissed with Boucher getting away, and Robinson signing with NJ when he was interested  in rejoining the Canadiens. Scouting and player development…that’s where there is no salary cap and we should be investing in these two areas of the game.

  34. Bugs says:


    Thank you.

    Keepin it real, I be chillin as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  35. HFX-HabFan says:

    Irving Grundman was GM in the early ’80s, Serge Savard replaced him in ’83 I think, and then when Savard was fired shortly before the Roy trade, Rejean “the walking definition of epic fail as a GM” Houle took over and plummeted the team into mediocrity.

  36. Bob_Sacamano says:

    Especially this talk about the 2003 draft is really ridiculous. Yes, it now is obvious it wasn´t the greatest move to take AK46. Yet, everyone can see how talented he is. The Blues Jackets took Zherdev 4th overall, the Rangers  a certain Hugh Jessiman 12th overall. No one ever talks about that. I always read about about Carter, Richards, Parise and Getzlaf. With O´Byrne, Lapierre and Halak the Habs got three more current NHL players, so overall 4(!) in 2003. How many teams did better? 

  37. Rocket fan says:

    It would be interesting to know who the GMs were for those drafts…anyone?

  38. Clay4bc says:

    Lil’ Kim must be in a rage right now…lol.


    “Peoples will only be truly free when the last king is strangled by the bowels of the last priest” Denis Diderot

  39. Clay4bc says:

    Obviously we can’t get every superstar…but one would be nice. The last superstar we had was drafted in 1984 (Roy), and before that 1971 (Lafeur).

    Of course, that’s not including Halak, 2003 draft :),who seems on the verge of geatness – but not with us, sadly.


    “Peoples will only be truly free when the last king is strangled by the bowels of the last priest” Denis Diderot

  40. HFX-HabFan says:

    27th and 28th picks are based on regular season finish.  San Jose finished better; they pick after us.  There’s no bronze medal, we were both knocked out in the conference final.  27th it is.

  41. HFX-HabFan says:

    Ah, right.  5 is the sports one.

  42. adam76 says:

     hindsight is 20-20 but man, some of those choices…..

  43. Bill H says:

    Good point about character, Beach.  And it seems like Canadiens are now putting more emphasis on character in overall player selection. I wonder, given recent adjustments to the scouting staff, if Canadiens will now be attempting to determine character by watching videos in the scouting office.  Let’s hope they hire replacements for the scouts that were let go.  Scouting is what we should be doing better than everyone else.  The club has the money to invest in this.  With the salary cap, everyone is more or less equal.  But in scouting, we should be able to excel.

  44. Bugs says:

    27th pick?

    Do we not have the 28th for having lasted until there were only 3 teams left after SJ went down in 4?


    Keepin it real, I be chillin as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  45. Clay4bc says:

    Lol…you nailed it – I am watching CCTV-5 right now…

    BTW, CCTV-9 is the English one…


    “Peoples will only be truly free when the last king is strangled by the bowels of the last priest” Denis Diderot

  46. HFX-HabFan says:

    CCTV-5!  Culture Express!

  47. pic1983 says:

    Tony242 has the right to his opinion just like we all do.  If you dont like what he has to say, than dont read what he has to say, plain and simple.  Tony, like myself, seems like a guy who is frustrated with year after year of mediocrity, and seeing as so many moves this organization makes are extremely curious, it often promotes opinions that may be a little off the board. 

  48. The Big O says:

    Hate these draft look backs….its always we could have got this guy or that guy…guess what, OTHER teams could have drafted this guy or that.  Perfect example, Shea Weber, he wasn’t even a first round draft choice! Another example, Mike Richards was Philly’s 2nd choice, they valued Jeff Carter ahead of him and now Richards is their captain. 

    So please save me this we could have, should have crap, if scouts knew how could these players were going to be, they would not have been drafted where they were.  But then, according to people like Boone, we should have drafted every superstar in the league…or so it seems!

  49. Clay4bc says:

    In another note, the Iberians are laying a damned-holy a**-whooping on the North Koreans…the battle of the peninsulas is not shaping up so well…

    Football is so boring. Says a lot about how bored I am right now that I have it on.

    Of course, given that I have Chinese TV channels, this is as good as it gets…


    “Peoples will only be truly free when the last king is strangled by the bowels of the last priest” Denis Diderot

  50. HFX-HabFan says:

    1- Average. We have our share of blown picks, but who doesn’t?  There are a number of teams whose draft record in the 2000s is dismal.

    2- I don’t think so.

    3- Dude, you changed your third question on us, quit calling audibles!  It’s a crap shoot in the later rounds, but you’ve better come prepared having done your homework if you’re hoping to build for the future.

    4- It certainly shouldn’t.  Take the best player available or draft to meet needs.  If you need a big centre, get the big centre.  Crease-clearing defender, get the defender.  DO NOT draft a francophone who is listed as ten picks lower on everyone else’s cheat sheet just because he speaks French. 

    5- Because of our position this year, we need to find the late round gems.  The jury will be out on this year’s draft for a number of years, because I doubt we will see immediate payoff.

  51. Clay4bc says:

    1. I think below average – but who can say, because Boone refuses to post other teams stats (joke).

    2. YES. Hell yes.

    3.*edit, since you changed the question* It is for the most part, but there are some players who just are can’t miss. Overchkin, Crosby, Gretzky, Mario…

    4. No – only in hiring management.

    5. No (given our history, and late pick – 27th won’t get much, usually.)


    “Peoples will only be truly free when the last king is strangled by the bowels of the last priest” Denis Diderot

  52. G-Man says:

    No. Let the party animal play in Phoenix or something.

    Carey Price in the Playoffs

  53. G-Man says:

    1.Below 2.Yes. 3. Obviously not. 4. No. 5. No- management’s head is up its a$$. Tough to make smart decisions when you can’t breathe. Of course, everything looks like crap when your in that position.


    Carey Price in the Playoffs

  54. derfab says:

    If we can get Higgins back at 2 mil. wouldn’t that be a decent signing?

  55. Clay4bc says:

    I agree about Tony, actually – that he is a little out there. But it’s all about respect. Diversity of opinion makes us grow. And like I said to you yesterday, disagree all you want, just do it nicely. And Bill, you do that – at least to me – since our disagreement several months ago.


    “Peoples will only be truly free when the last king is strangled by the bowels of the last priest” Denis Diderot

  56. Clay4bc says:

    Thanks Shane. I can assure you, there are no better fathers than me. Truly.


    “Peoples will only be truly free when the last king is strangled by the bowels of the last priest” Denis Diderot

  57. BeachHabFan says:

    unless you won the lottery to get crosby or ovechkin, 99.9% of draft picks seem to be a crapshoot that may or may not turn out depending on injuries, minor league coaching, team systems, teammates, mentors, linemates, playoff experience or lack thereof, growth spurts, timing, and growing up fast/slow/not at all. 2003 may be an exception given how many guys turned out well, but if AK ended up playing with semin or crosby he may have had better numbers, right? the one thing that seems to differentiate the good from mediocre picks is character, which may be hard to get a read on, but given that i am not a scout i can’t say if that’s true or not. so let’s hope they find some character guys that have size and speed and can score – just like every other team is trying to do…

  58. Bill J says:

    Shane may rub you the wrong way, perhaps.

    But consider Tony242 rubs MANY the wrong way too, get my meaning ?

    Shane at least does not come up with conspiracy theories that make you shake your head wondering “is this guy nuts ?”

    We all have different opinions, some more “emotional” then others.  Fact of the matter is, when I read Shane I read someone who is a FAN of the Habs.

    When I read Tony242 – I read someone who doesn’t seem to like the Habs.


  59. SmartDog says:


    1. Are the Habs average, above, or below average in drafting over the last 10 years?

    2. Should Timmins have been swept with the scounts that left?

    3. Is the draft really just  a crapshoot anyway?

    4. Does race or language play a role when the Habs draft?

    5. Do you think the Habs will draft well this year?


    Not signing or trading Pleks = yet another missed opportunity.

  60. sholi2000.com says:

    You have a one year old?  Congrats, I hope you are better father than a hockey fan.

    They Call Me Shane

  61. Clay4bc says:

    Tony deserves respect, if only in that he is ALWAYS respectful of others, and NEVER lays out personal insults – even when provoked by the likes of Shane (which is more than I can say for most of us, myself included).

    Shane, on the other hand…he just rubs me the wrong way. Always has something disrespectful to say.


    “Peoples will only be truly free when the last king is strangled by the bowels of the last priest” Denis Diderot

  62. HFX-HabFan says:

    I knew it!

  63. Clay4bc says:

    Now they have to kill you…why did you have to open your mouth about that?


    “Peoples will only be truly free when the last king is strangled by the bowels of the last priest” Denis Diderot

  64. Bill J says:

    Clay – at least pick a fight over something or someone with substance, when ridiculing someone else whilst defending Tony242 – your kind of fighting a uphill battle bud.

    😉 lol

  65. HFX-HabFan says:

    It’s hard to say.  The Q is a decidedly inferior league compared to the other two in the CHL (they have produced far less current NHLers in comparison), yet it would make sense that the Habs would have a greater handle on the talent in Quebec than the rest of the league (obviously it’s not the 1950s anymore but they should know what is in their own backyard better than anyone else).

    Tough call.  We should just ramp up the scouting across the board and hope that it pays off everywhere, but especially in Quebec.

  66. derfab says:

    As stupid as it sounds, the local ethnics may have a point when they say we should just pick the best Quebec player available.

    At 27th, it starts to get into the realm of the flukey and most of our picks are a bust anyway.


  67. punkster says:

    Well, they did carry out the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand.


  68. HabFanSince72 says:

    I read somewhere that if you look at all players drafted since 2003, the Habs are number one or two in terms of drafted players who played in the NHL.

    Is this true?

    Nonetheless, and although I hate antichambre-style  ethnocentrism, you have to wonder whether our scouting and drafting from Quebec just might be deficient if we overlooked Giroux and Perron.


  69. Clay4bc says:

    And my 1 year old knows more about hockey than you. So what’s your point?


    “Peoples will only be truly free when the last king is strangled by the bowels of the last priest” Denis Diderot

  70. sholi2000.com says:

    My nine year old knows more about hockey than that guy.

    They Call Me Shane

  71. HFX-HabFan says:

    He’ll probably somehow link the terrible drafting of the ’80s and ’90s to Gainey/Gauthier/Boivin.  Just you wait and see.

  72. Bill J says:

    OMG Habs I/O did you really need to feed Tony242 more material ?


  73. sholi2000.com says:

    And just like every other team who passed on the same players.  It’s more luck than talent come draft day.

    My first round pick is Quinton Howden

    They Call Me Shane

  74. HFX-HabFan says:

    Of course hindsight is 20/20, but man is our draft record the pits.  Nothing will be as bad as the wasted picks of the 1990s (looking at the ’95 draft and who we picked and who went shortly after is the most painful of the ’90s IMO), but this past decade has been much better.

  75. Clay4bc says:

    Funny how everyone talks about the 2003 draft as a failure, when in reality it produced Halak, the best Canadians player in a generation. What a terrible trade…


    “Peoples will only be truly free when the last king is strangled by the bowels of the last priest” Denis Diderot

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