Draft week begins with a stroll down memory lane

Just for laughs – and to start a few water-cooler arguments – let’s look back at the Canadiens’ recent first-round draft choices.

For each of the last 10 years, we list the Canadiens pick(s), then a player or players whom they might have chosen, followed by later-round choices that have worked out well.

We’d have gone back farther, but that gets you into the heartbreak of such first-round busts as Éric Chouinard, Jason Ward, Matt Higgins, Terry Ryan, Brad Brown, David Wilkie, Brent Bilodeau and Turner Stevenson.

With the notable exception of Saku Koivu, 21st overall in 1993, the ’90s were a lost decade for first-rounders.

On the other hand, the Canadiens got Andrei Markov with the 162nd pick of the 1998 draft (which also yielded Mike Ribeiro, François Beauchemin and Michael Ryder).

The 1980s began with the team’s last first overall pick. And with Denis Svard available, they took Doug Wickenheiser – kicking off a dreary decade that saw first-round choices wasted on Mark Hunter, Alain Héroux, Alfie Turcotte, José Charbonneau (that’s him, with the poofy hair, in the pic), Mark Pederson, Andrew Cassels, Éric Charron and Lindsay Vallis.

The 21st century has been better for first-round picks … but let’s second-guess them anyway.

 

2009: Canadiens took Louis Leblanc (18th overall). They could have taken: No obvious second-guesses. Later-round bonus: Mac Bennett (3rd round, 79th overall

2008: No first-round pick. Canadiens took Danny Kristo in the second-round, 56th overall. Again, no obvious One Who Got Away. And Maxim Trunev (5th round, 138 overall) might be a player if they ever get him out of Russia.

2007: Ryan McDonough (12th overall) and Max Pacioretty (22nd) in the first round. Colton Gillies was still on the board when McDonough was picked, and David Perron went four spots after Pacioretty. (Lars Eller went one spot after McDonough). But the Canadiens got P.K. Subban in the second round, 43rd overall (one spot before Aaron Palushaj).

2006: Canadiens took David Fischer 20th overall. Two picks later, the Flyers took Claude Giroux. Later in the first round, Patrik Berglund went to St. Louis and Nick Foligno to Ottawa. Possibe sleeper: Ryan Whte in the third round … but that doesn’t make up for missing out on Giroux.

2005: Carey Price, the Franchise, chosen 5th overall (one pick after Minesota took Benoit Pouliot). Still on the board at that point: Devin Setoguchi, Anze Kopitar, Marc Staal, Tuukka Rask, T.J. Oshie and Andrew Cogliano. Canadiens took Sergei Kostitsyn in the seventh round, and that looked like a steal for a while. Not so much lately.

2004: Kyle Chipchura, 18th overall. Still on the board: Travis Zajac, Andrej Meszaros, Jeff Schultz and Mike Green. But the Canadiens took Mark Streit in the 9th round, 262nd overall.

2003: Do we even want to talk about it? The Canadiens took Andrei Kostitsyn 10th overall. Still available: Jeff Carter, Dustin Brown, Brent Seabrook, Steve Bernier, Zach Parise, Eric Fehr, Ryan Getzlaf, Brent Burns, Ryan Kesler, Mike Richards and Corey Perry. In the second round the Canadiens took Corey Urquhart with Patrice Bergeron, Matt Carle and Shea Weber available. Then they took Maxim Lapierre one spot ahead of David Backes. Heartbreaking … but the Canadiens got Ryan O’Byrne in the third and, with the 271st overall choice, Jaro Halak in the 9th round.

2002: Christopher Higgins in the first round, 14th overall. No obvious first-round overlooks, but Cam Ward lasted till the 25th pick. Canadiens took Tomas Linhart in the second round ahead of Matt Stajan, Jiri Hudler, Johnny Boychuk and Tomas Fleischmann. Later rounds were a wash … but maybe Konstantin Korneev will come over once he’s 35 and washed-up.

2001: Mike Komisarek (seventh) and Alexander Prezhogin (25th) were chosen the first round. Komo went ahead of Tuomo Ruutu, Dan Hamhuis, Ales Hemsky and Colby Armstrong. Perezhogin was picked with Derek Roy still available. But the Canadiens took Tomas Plekanec in the third round (71st overall).

2000: Ron Hainsey (13th) and Marcel “The Other” Hossa (16th) were the first-round picks. Still on the board: Brooks Orpik, Alexander Frolov, Brad Boyes, Steve Ott, Justin Williams and Niklas Kronwall. A wasted draft, but third-round pick Josef Balej was traded for Alex Kovalev.

Scouting is an inexact science. And hindsight is 20-20.

That
said, this team has come a long way from 1971 – when the first round
yielded Guy Lafleur, Chuck Arnason and Murray Wilson, with Larry
Robinson added in the second round.

Whom will the Canadiens pick
with 27th choice on Friday night?

Let the free advice begin.

 

648 Comments

  1. TomNickle says:

    I didn’t play college or university football.

    Just in high school.

    We can compare if you’d like.

    Starting with the year 2000 when……

    Peter Warrick(4th overall)

    Ron Dayne

    Travis Taylor

    Sylvester Morris

    Rashard Andersen

    Eric Flowers

    Anthony Becht

    Rob Morris

    R.J. Soward 

    and Trung Candidate  were all taken in the first round of the NFL draft.

    Keep in mind you’re fighting a losing battle on this front because the NFL doesn’t have a developmental league.  Players busting out of the NFL don’t have many avenues once they leave.  Arena football and the CFL.  Some from the early part of the early 2000s had NFL Europe but not for long.  I suppose I shouldn’t forget the XFL either.

    Storm man.  We’ll have a beer someday and you can come at me with any question you have about football.

    Or feel free to fire away right now.

  2. Storm Man says:

    Tom what school did you play your ball at? you can look me up if your looking for something to do today. I see your talking about a few players that sure did not live up to the hype. The first round success rate in football is very good. But if you like we can see where the top 10 from the NFL draft five years ago are doing and do the same for the NHL if you like. Tom like I have said you know what your talking about when it comes to hockey. Football?

  3. SlovakHab says:

    1. definitely above average (top 10). statistically proven.

    2. only if we can hire someone better. Is there someone better available?

    3. often, it is. unless you have a top 3 pick, you gotta be lucky. IMO, development > drafting.

    4. definitely not

    5. I think they will draft all right. I believe they will get 2-3 good players for the future.

    Boston will get 1 future superstar and that bugs me the most.

  4. Storm Man says:

    That is the same in all sports.

  5. TomNickle says:

    Really?  The first round success rate for NFL players is not high.

    The first round success rate for QB’s taken in the top 10 is even worse.

    There’s a guy named Derrick Morgan who was supposed to be the next Bruce Smith who can’t get on the field playing on a team that can’t rush the passer or stop the run.

    There’s a player named Vernon Gholston who was the best pass rusher in college football for two years at Ohio State university who couldn’t get on the field with the Jets defense when Calvin Pace was suspended for four games last season.

    Storm Man, you’re a pretty solid guy by all accounts but you kinda missed the boat on this one.  Appearances aren’t what they seem.  I know my football.  

     

  6. SmartDog says:

    Ariely is awesome.  I don’t see a big conflict with Gladwell – they’re both really good at seeing what other people miss.

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    Not signing or trading Pleks = yet another missed opportunity.

  7. TomNickle says:

    Only because Amobi Okoye entered University at the age of 16.

    Yeah, 16.

    I believe he went to Louisville.

    He’s a fascinating young man.

  8. PeterStone says:

    Thanks for the link,  Very interesting.  I will say this about the Habs draft …

    1- They are terrible at drafting between 6 and 25 … they should always move up or down depending on where they are

    2- There is no excuse for messing up the draft when it comes to picking players in your neck of the woods.  Chouinard instead of Gagne .. and that Fischer draft is buggin me, when you have a guy right down the road.

    The other stuff I get .. but those 2 points get me.

  9. dallyd31 says:

    Funny how when INFORMED folks actually do an analysis, it seems we draft pretty well when compared to the league as a whole.

    But to some that doesn’t matter…that just gets in the way of their moaing and complaining.

     

     

  10. Storm Man says:

    Tom I guess math is not your strong point. A million stories of drafted players who are busts? You know your hockey please stick to that.

  11. ed lopaz says:

    Dumont, for his size (5’9 at best), is a “late bloomer”. usually undersized guys who are pro prospects, put up big numbers in the Q – guys like Briere for example. Dumont did not get to the bug numbers in Drummondville until he was 19. But he has great heart, and tremendous intensity. he will have to light it up in Hamilton to keep going.
    http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=97902

  12. HardHabits says:

    Says the man who came up with New Coke. Hindsight might be 20/20 but if you can’t look at past mistakes and make corrections you’re doomed to repeeat them. So friggin’ what other teams missed players. We’re not talking about other teams. The Habs are thin. The Habs lack depth. The Habs have been rushing their lack of talent to the point that they are desperately doomed to 8th place for years by the looks of it. So Philly took Carter before Richards. Both are excellent choices and given that the Habs have not only lacked size up the middle but a real #1 centre for ages the 2003 draft stands out like a sore thumb. Sorry to inform you but the Emperor has no clothes. Your post is like revisionism or a white wash. Nothing to see over here people. You sound like Kim Jong-il or some other Stalinist telling everybody everything is OK, nothing to see here people, everyone move along. Sorry bud, this is an open forum and the Habs strike out record in round 1 needs to be addressed, and it will always be until that trend turns around. Alright cupcake!

  13. TomNickle says:

    Hey Tony, the NFL draft is the most INEXACT science for evaluating talent than any of the pro sports not name baseball.

    There’s a guy right now named Brian Brohm who’s in the NFL.  He was touted to be a top 5 pick in the 2007 draft.  He didn’t enter the draft, waited another year, fell to the second round.  He subsequently stunk it up in Green Bay, was sent to the practice squad and the Buffalo Bills claimed him.

    That was a guy who was close to unanimously a first or second overall pick after his junior year in University at the age of 22.

    And he’s only one of a million NFL stories where the player was bust.

    Busts are far more common in the NFL than they are the NHL.

  14. TomNickle says:

    People keep saying Gabriel Dumont is too small.  

    The more he develops, the more he keeps proving people wrong.

    Now he’s being told he can’t bring his game to the NHL.  I’d say a pro contract is a good start.

  15. CBrady12 says:

    Funny how fans who post on blogs dont seem to know everything….its weird cause they all talk like they do

  16. Storm Man says:

    Yes he sure did plus he wants to go to graduate school at Harvard.

  17. puck face says:

    watch hoop dreams if you haven’t seen it , best documentary winner early nineties. they (scouts as well as nike and adidas)approach kids as young as 12 years old!! you think Price at 20 had a lot of pressure? you should see what these kids go through , something a liitle disturbing about grown men drooling over 12 year olds.

  18. Storm Man says:

    You can be 19 and be drafted in the NFL. Okoye did it mind you the last time that happened was 1967. 

  19. ed lopaz says:

    I remember the 2003 draft quite well.

    The Habs “doctors” had done some special tests on Big Tits to be sure that his epilepsy was under control.

    This was a concern for the other teams – but not the Habs. Too bad, they didn’t check Ak’s heart.

    There’s a saying around where I live, “you can’t teach heart”. And because of this saying I would change my

    # 1 rule of the drafting.

    Most people think you should just take the most talentd 18 year old available. I disagree.

    I would take the most talented available who ALSO showed the greatest character, work ethic, hockey IQ.

    Even if you miss a few, you are filling your system with “character” players.

    Just think Brian Gionta and Josh Gorges (who was never drafted), and each pick should resemble those guys

    in attitude, work ethic, team play.

    That’s the way I would draft.

    Still take the talent, but ONLY if it comes with character references from past coaches, scouting reports, etc.

     

  20. The Big O says:

    For all the bemoaning going on about the habs drafting record, the facts speak for themselves.  For the past 15 yrs of drafting, we’re at #6 and that’s despite all the so called misses… http://www.puckprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=213

    For the years 1999 to 2005, we’re at #4, http://www.sbnation.com/2010/6/14/1513198/nhl-draft-success-1999-2005  and this is from the article, “The Canadiens were simply strong in all three categories, the only team in the blue in all three categories.  They did this even while going oh-fer in the 1999 draft.  They’ve had special success with defenseman, grabbing Ron Hainsey, Mike Komisarek, Mark Streit, and even Ryan O’Byrne has a very good chance of joining this group.”

    So despite all the negativity around the Habs drafting, apparently we’re one of the best…

     

  21. krob1000 says:

    I think they have to be drafted very early so it is usually only the near can’t miss guys if I am not mistake n that are drafted out of high school……the Kobe’s, the Durant’s, the Garnett’s, etc….

    just checked it out…they have to be 19 and graduated from high school for one year http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Draft

  22. habitual says:

    Hey MBoone:  I know this is the dead zone for hockey writing, but all this did was reinforce how capricious draft day is.  You mention that we got Subban, Pleks, Jaro and Streit when every other team stepped over them once, twice, ten times …

    Be a sport and report in on when or if we are going to sign Pleks.

  23. Chorske says:

    Fine, read Gladwell… but then read Dan Ariely’s “Predictably Irrational” to understand why Gladwell was wrong. ;)

  24. Clay4bc says:

    You’re correct – but there’s little skill involved in that game anyway (with some exceptions). A bunch of freakishly tall guys putting a ball in a basket – and they barely have to jump to reach it.

    It’s nothing compared to hockey – the true “beautiful game”…

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    “Peoples will only be truly free when the last king is strangled by the bowels of the last priest” Denis Diderot

  25. SmartDog says:

    Sorry!  I had that question in an cut it out… thought it was a much better question.  The other one was really kind of leading anyway, and we can’t really know.  I’m surprised that people think it IS a crap shoot.  I expect that experts CAN be expert and know the signs of a player that has longevity versus one that doesn’t. 

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    Not signing or trading Pleks = yet another missed opportunity.

  26. Mike Boone says:

    NBA drafts high-schoolers, no?

  27. SmartDog says:

    It should be based on more than performance.

    Read Malcolm Gladwell’s book “Blink”.   I guarantee you’ll see thing more clearly.

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    Not signing or trading Pleks = yet another missed opportunity.

  28. Corporate says:

    Alright… I have been reading this page for a few weeks now and I am amazed at the comments that I am seeing. The Halak trade, we kew was happening. Did we get fair value in return? May be may be not but time will tell if that trade pans out. No one in their right mind can evaluate this trade right now. Halak has proven he can goal in the NHL at a high level, but it has been one year… I wish him luck and now let us move on. Remember last year. Kovy left and half of Montreal was dying and petitioned for his resigning… The season started saw Gionta and then we were like, Kovy who? No one knows what can happen…

    Now as for draft years… Yes we might have missed out on a few players but other than 2003 which was a rich year for rookies, we didn’t do that bad.

    Andrei Kostitsyn: I agree last year he had  a rough year. But he did have years of 26 and 23 goals which is nothing to sneeze at. yes he is inconsistent but I believe with teh right coaching he can be a great player.

    Higgins: He might have turned out to be mentally unstable but Christopher Higgins managed to get years of 23, 22 and 27 goals. That isn’t bad. he was a good 2 way player. I remember him being a killer on the PK and scored a dew short handed goals.

    Mike Komisarek: Forget the fact that he chose to go to Toronto. Before the Lucic incident he was a player that hit and that blocked shots a la masse. Until Lucic, he was deemed as our next captain. So the choice to pick him was not that bad at all. he gave us a few years and now is having a harder time with TO, but if ever he gets his game back, he could be dangerous.

    Alexander Perezhogin: He was a promising young player and really loved to see him play from Montreal. Unfortunately, this was before it was hit tp go back to Russia and we couldn’t know he was going to go back. Yes he slipped but at least we still own the rights to him. 

    These are just to name a few and I didn’t go with guys that were picked later rounds that were good. Instead of looking at the bad saide of everything, just once it would be nice to see the positive part of things.

  29. HFX-HabFan says:

    Don’t worry, I’m sure that the “media” back home in North Korea will spin it off as a close loss, and if Kim Jong-Il had been in the lineup instead of being busy shooting a round of 28 on the golf course again (with six hole-in-ones), they would have prevailed.  They’ll be fine.

  30. TorontoHabsFan says:

    Well I for one am shocked, SHOCKED that trying to predict a man’s future value based on his performance prior to his 18th birthday doesn’t always work!

    This is science folks, it should be crystal clear!

  31. Clay4bc says:

    Spent 6 years in Korea (South, mind you)…this beating bothers me not one bit.

    I don’t remember ever seeing one team score 7 goals in a game before (professional level).

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    “Peoples will only be truly free when the last king is strangled by the bowels of the last priest” Denis Diderot

  32. Bugs says:

    Words I’d never thought to utter but “poor North Koreans”…

    Keepin it real, I be chillin as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  33. Bill H says:

    I recently read an article which rated Canadiens drafting.  I don’t know where I saw it.  Perhaps someone can post a link.  It looked at drafting in rounds 2 and up.  I think Canadiens had the third best record in the league.  The system for rating was not flawless, but it was a decent and objective measure of how we have drafted.  First round choices have been less successful.  We have had really bad luck.  If you can call it that.  Who is to know that a David Fischer, Mr. Hockey in 2006, is going to be a bust and probably never play a game in the NHL?  If Canadiens didn’t draft him #20, someone else would have picked him up very soon.

    Canadiens have done fairly well at drafting, although there is obviously room for improvement, especially when you look at the first round.  When you look at player development, our success has not been so good.  And that is why so many people are pissed with Boucher getting away, and Robinson signing with NJ when he was interested  in rejoining the Canadiens. Scouting and player development…that’s where there is no salary cap and we should be investing in these two areas of the game.

  34. Bugs says:

    Ah.

    Thank you.

    Keepin it real, I be chillin as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  35. HFX-HabFan says:

    Irving Grundman was GM in the early ’80s, Serge Savard replaced him in ’83 I think, and then when Savard was fired shortly before the Roy trade, Rejean “the walking definition of epic fail as a GM” Houle took over and plummeted the team into mediocrity.

  36. Bob_Sacamano says:

    Especially this talk about the 2003 draft is really ridiculous. Yes, it now is obvious it wasn´t the greatest move to take AK46. Yet, everyone can see how talented he is. The Blues Jackets took Zherdev 4th overall, the Rangers  a certain Hugh Jessiman 12th overall. No one ever talks about that. I always read about about Carter, Richards, Parise and Getzlaf. With O´Byrne, Lapierre and Halak the Habs got three more current NHL players, so overall 4(!) in 2003. How many teams did better? 

  37. Rocket fan says:

    It would be interesting to know who the GMs were for those drafts…anyone?

  38. Clay4bc says:

    Lil’ Kim must be in a rage right now…lol.

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    “Peoples will only be truly free when the last king is strangled by the bowels of the last priest” Denis Diderot

  39. Clay4bc says:

    Obviously we can’t get every superstar…but one would be nice. The last superstar we had was drafted in 1984 (Roy), and before that 1971 (Lafeur).

    Of course, that’s not including Halak, 2003 draft :),who seems on the verge of geatness – but not with us, sadly.

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    “Peoples will only be truly free when the last king is strangled by the bowels of the last priest” Denis Diderot

  40. HFX-HabFan says:

    27th and 28th picks are based on regular season finish.  San Jose finished better; they pick after us.  There’s no bronze medal, we were both knocked out in the conference final.  27th it is.

  41. HFX-HabFan says:

    Ah, right.  5 is the sports one.

  42. adam76 says:

     hindsight is 20-20 but man, some of those choices…..

  43. Bill H says:

    Good point about character, Beach.  And it seems like Canadiens are now putting more emphasis on character in overall player selection. I wonder, given recent adjustments to the scouting staff, if Canadiens will now be attempting to determine character by watching videos in the scouting office.  Let’s hope they hire replacements for the scouts that were let go.  Scouting is what we should be doing better than everyone else.  The club has the money to invest in this.  With the salary cap, everyone is more or less equal.  But in scouting, we should be able to excel.

  44. Bugs says:

    27th pick?

    Do we not have the 28th for having lasted until there were only 3 teams left after SJ went down in 4?

    30-29-28?

    Keepin it real, I be chillin as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  45. Clay4bc says:

    Lol…you nailed it – I am watching CCTV-5 right now…

    BTW, CCTV-9 is the English one…

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    “Peoples will only be truly free when the last king is strangled by the bowels of the last priest” Denis Diderot

  46. HFX-HabFan says:

    CCTV-5!  Culture Express!

  47. pic1983 says:

    Tony242 has the right to his opinion just like we all do.  If you dont like what he has to say, than dont read what he has to say, plain and simple.  Tony, like myself, seems like a guy who is frustrated with year after year of mediocrity, and seeing as so many moves this organization makes are extremely curious, it often promotes opinions that may be a little off the board. 

  48. The Big O says:

    Hate these draft look backs….its always we could have got this guy or that guy…guess what, OTHER teams could have drafted this guy or that.  Perfect example, Shea Weber, he wasn’t even a first round draft choice! Another example, Mike Richards was Philly’s 2nd choice, they valued Jeff Carter ahead of him and now Richards is their captain. 

    So please save me this we could have, should have crap, if scouts knew how could these players were going to be, they would not have been drafted where they were.  But then, according to people like Boone, we should have drafted every superstar in the league…or so it seems!

  49. Clay4bc says:

    In another note, the Iberians are laying a damned-holy a**-whooping on the North Koreans…the battle of the peninsulas is not shaping up so well…

    Football is so boring. Says a lot about how bored I am right now that I have it on.

    Of course, given that I have Chinese TV channels, this is as good as it gets…

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    “Peoples will only be truly free when the last king is strangled by the bowels of the last priest” Denis Diderot

  50. HFX-HabFan says:

    1- Average. We have our share of blown picks, but who doesn’t?  There are a number of teams whose draft record in the 2000s is dismal.

    2- I don’t think so.

    3- Dude, you changed your third question on us, quit calling audibles!  It’s a crap shoot in the later rounds, but you’ve better come prepared having done your homework if you’re hoping to build for the future.

    4- It certainly shouldn’t.  Take the best player available or draft to meet needs.  If you need a big centre, get the big centre.  Crease-clearing defender, get the defender.  DO NOT draft a francophone who is listed as ten picks lower on everyone else’s cheat sheet just because he speaks French. 

    5- Because of our position this year, we need to find the late round gems.  The jury will be out on this year’s draft for a number of years, because I doubt we will see immediate payoff.

  51. Clay4bc says:

    1. I think below average – but who can say, because Boone refuses to post other teams stats (joke).

    2. YES. Hell yes.

    3.*edit, since you changed the question* It is for the most part, but there are some players who just are can’t miss. Overchkin, Crosby, Gretzky, Mario…

    4. No – only in hiring management.

    5. No (given our history, and late pick – 27th won’t get much, usually.)

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    “Peoples will only be truly free when the last king is strangled by the bowels of the last priest” Denis Diderot

  52. G-Man says:

    No. Let the party animal play in Phoenix or something.
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    Carey Price in the Playoffs

  53. G-Man says:

    1.Below 2.Yes. 3. Obviously not. 4. No. 5. No- management’s head is up its a$$. Tough to make smart decisions when you can’t breathe. Of course, everything looks like crap when your in that position.

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    Carey Price in the Playoffs

  54. derfab says:

    If we can get Higgins back at 2 mil. wouldn’t that be a decent signing?

  55. Clay4bc says:

    I agree about Tony, actually – that he is a little out there. But it’s all about respect. Diversity of opinion makes us grow. And like I said to you yesterday, disagree all you want, just do it nicely. And Bill, you do that – at least to me – since our disagreement several months ago.

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    “Peoples will only be truly free when the last king is strangled by the bowels of the last priest” Denis Diderot

  56. Clay4bc says:

    Thanks Shane. I can assure you, there are no better fathers than me. Truly.

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    “Peoples will only be truly free when the last king is strangled by the bowels of the last priest” Denis Diderot

  57. BeachHabFan says:

    unless you won the lottery to get crosby or ovechkin, 99.9% of draft picks seem to be a crapshoot that may or may not turn out depending on injuries, minor league coaching, team systems, teammates, mentors, linemates, playoff experience or lack thereof, growth spurts, timing, and growing up fast/slow/not at all. 2003 may be an exception given how many guys turned out well, but if AK ended up playing with semin or crosby he may have had better numbers, right? the one thing that seems to differentiate the good from mediocre picks is character, which may be hard to get a read on, but given that i am not a scout i can’t say if that’s true or not. so let’s hope they find some character guys that have size and speed and can score – just like every other team is trying to do…

  58. Bill J says:

    Shane may rub you the wrong way, perhaps.

    But consider Tony242 rubs MANY the wrong way too, get my meaning ?

    Shane at least does not come up with conspiracy theories that make you shake your head wondering “is this guy nuts ?”

    We all have different opinions, some more “emotional” then others.  Fact of the matter is, when I read Shane I read someone who is a FAN of the Habs.

    When I read Tony242 – I read someone who doesn’t seem to like the Habs.

     

  59. SmartDog says:

    5 QUESTIONS:

    1. Are the Habs average, above, or below average in drafting over the last 10 years?

    2. Should Timmins have been swept with the scounts that left?

    3. Is the draft really just  a crapshoot anyway?

    4. Does race or language play a role when the Habs draft?

    5. Do you think the Habs will draft well this year?

    SD

    ————————————————————-
    Not signing or trading Pleks = yet another missed opportunity.

  60. sholi2000.com says:

    You have a one year old?  Congrats, I hope you are better father than a hockey fan.

    They Call Me Shane

  61. Clay4bc says:

    Tony deserves respect, if only in that he is ALWAYS respectful of others, and NEVER lays out personal insults – even when provoked by the likes of Shane (which is more than I can say for most of us, myself included).

    Shane, on the other hand…he just rubs me the wrong way. Always has something disrespectful to say.

    __________________________

    “Peoples will only be truly free when the last king is strangled by the bowels of the last priest” Denis Diderot

  62. HFX-HabFan says:

    I knew it!

  63. Clay4bc says:

    Now they have to kill you…why did you have to open your mouth about that?

    __________________________

    “Peoples will only be truly free when the last king is strangled by the bowels of the last priest” Denis Diderot

  64. Bill J says:

    Clay – at least pick a fight over something or someone with substance, when ridiculing someone else whilst defending Tony242 - your kind of fighting a uphill battle bud.

    ;) lol

  65. HFX-HabFan says:

    It’s hard to say.  The Q is a decidedly inferior league compared to the other two in the CHL (they have produced far less current NHLers in comparison), yet it would make sense that the Habs would have a greater handle on the talent in Quebec than the rest of the league (obviously it’s not the 1950s anymore but they should know what is in their own backyard better than anyone else).

    Tough call.  We should just ramp up the scouting across the board and hope that it pays off everywhere, but especially in Quebec.

  66. derfab says:

    As stupid as it sounds, the local ethnics may have a point when they say we should just pick the best Quebec player available.

    At 27th, it starts to get into the realm of the flukey and most of our picks are a bust anyway.

     

  67. punkster says:

    Well, they did carry out the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand.

    FREE TIMO!

  68. HabFanSince72 says:

    I read somewhere that if you look at all players drafted since 2003, the Habs are number one or two in terms of drafted players who played in the NHL.

    Is this true?

    Nonetheless, and although I hate antichambre-style  ethnocentrism, you have to wonder whether our scouting and drafting from Quebec just might be deficient if we overlooked Giroux and Perron.

     

  69. Clay4bc says:

    And my 1 year old knows more about hockey than you. So what’s your point?

    __________________________

    “Peoples will only be truly free when the last king is strangled by the bowels of the last priest” Denis Diderot

  70. sholi2000.com says:

    My nine year old knows more about hockey than that guy.

    They Call Me Shane

  71. HFX-HabFan says:

    He’ll probably somehow link the terrible drafting of the ’80s and ’90s to Gainey/Gauthier/Boivin.  Just you wait and see.

  72. Bill J says:

    OMG Habs I/O did you really need to feed Tony242 more material ?

    lol

  73. sholi2000.com says:

    And just like every other team who passed on the same players.  It’s more luck than talent come draft day.

    My first round pick is Quinton Howden

    They Call Me Shane

  74. HFX-HabFan says:

    Of course hindsight is 20/20, but man is our draft record the pits.  Nothing will be as bad as the wasted picks of the 1990s (looking at the ’95 draft and who we picked and who went shortly after is the most painful of the ’90s IMO), but this past decade has been much better.

  75. Clay4bc says:

    Funny how everyone talks about the 2003 draft as a failure, when in reality it produced Halak, the best Canadians player in a generation. What a terrible trade…

    __________________________

    “Peoples will only be truly free when the last king is strangled by the bowels of the last priest” Denis Diderot

  76. Jbird says:

    Eller did get two goals in 7 NHL games right?  Ryan M has yet to make his AHL debut – he isn’t going to jump from NCAA to NHL – and every captain of the Wissconsin badgers are a lock for the NHL?  huh?

    10 bucks on Eller being a far better player.

  77. ed lopaz says:

    actually, it is factual to claim that Eller is WAY AHEAD of Mcdonough. Eller has been voted to the ALL Rookie team in the AHL – which is an excellent sign that he’s a real NHL prospect. Mcdonough has not yet played a pro game. That’s quite gap, is it not?

  78. pic1983 says:

    See people like myself and smart dog, like to think openly.  Obviously we arent in a position to state facts, we dont work for the organization (or at least I dont) but we are certainly in a position to share our observations and state our opinion with regards to those observations.

    If you want to keep wearing the blinders and never ask any questions of the team you cheer for, knock yourself out.  IVe drank enough $10 beers, eaten enough $6 hot dogs, given countless hours of my life watching at home and have paid $100 for a $50 seat enough times to be able to ask some questions, and make some observations. 

  79. TorontoHabsFan says:

    You didn’t hurt my feelings, but I can see how you’d like to think that.

    a bientot,

    THF

  80. pic1983 says:

    I believe, but am not certain, that Andrei was slated to be a top 5 pick until he got sick/injured and fell down the rankings.

  81. JD_ says:

    There still is a goalie named Price

    Opinions of whom are not nice.

    We’ll see no more Price v. Halak

    Though soon the debate will roar back

    When the new guy steps on the ice.

  82. ABHabsfan says:

    I like McFarland as our pick as well if he is available. Still like McIlraith too and Martindale from the Ott 67′s seems like a good-sized centre. He was just shy of a point/game last year, 6’3 185, listed in the Hbas spot in draft rankings according to THN.

  83. mike g says:

    If I’m an advisor to Gauthier, I say…..

    Find a way to shed 4 mill of salary and sign one of the following:

    Kovalchuk

    Volchenkov

    Paul Martin

     

    That’s it. The rest of the team can be built every year. 3rd/4th line guys are always available. But players like I listed above are becoming more and more rare. Teams are locking up their stars to huge multi year deals, and it will surely be a while before another 50 goal scorer hits the market. As for Volchenkov, he’s just an animal. Immagine Josh Georges, plus 30%….And Paul Martin is just a smart overall d-man, who;s very smart at both ends of the ice.

    All those guys are excellent players, and IMO, the best available. Those are the only guys IMO capable of making a big impact in big games. That’s why I didn’t include Marleau, incase ur wondering…

     

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  84. TorontoHabsFan says:

    I’m drawing a blank with your list – who is Clark?

    The goalie thing was kinda eerie for a while there eh? It was like no matter who we drafted they ended up pretty good (I’m thinking around the Vokoun/Theodore/Garon years)

  85. HFX-HabFan says:

    Brett Clark- remember him at all?

  86. HFX-HabFan says:

    Hey Tony, who’s your favourite hockey team?

  87. TomNickle says:

    For many of you who are upset about the team’s draft record.

    What do you want in this draft coming up.

    It’s easy to bitch about perceived problems but if you don’t have a possible solution you aren’t contributing anything.

    This isn’t a “go away” statement.  I want to know what our resident tankologists have in mind for the upcoming draft.  What player do you want.

    If you want to get into the top 5 of the draft, Subban would have to be part of the package.

    So what do you want, what are your ideas?

  88. HabFanSince72 says:

    2003-04 AHL All-Rookie Team

    Wade Dubielewicz, Goaltender (Bridgeport Sound Tigers)

    Doug Lynch, Defense (Toronto Roadrunners)

    Garrett Stafford, Defense (Cleveland Barons)

    Noah Clarke, Forward (Manchester Monarchs)

    Michel Ouellet, Forward (Wilkes-Barre/Scranton Penguins)

    Timofei Shishkanov, Forward (Milwaukee Admirals)

  89. Storm Man says:

    What about your boy Halak?

  90. TorontoHabsFan says:

    Oh wow, NOW I do! Man, that’s an obscure name from the past! I had completely forgotten that he was ever a Hab :)

  91. HabFanSince72 says:

    The 2004-2005 AHL all-rookie team was undoubtedly better, but that can be explained by the NHL lock-out:

     

    Goaltender:
    Cam Ward – Lowell

    Defense:
    Kevin Bieksa -Manitoba
    Chris Campoli -Bridgeport

    Forwards:
    Brandon Bochenski -Binghamton
    Rene Bourque -Norfolk
    Thomas Vanek -Rochester

  92. Storm Man says:

    Im game for that, but where do we find the cap room???? 15-17 mil for all three to come here.

  93. krob1000 says:
    2009-10 AHL All-Rookie Team

    Goaltender: Alex Stalock, Worcester Sharks (56gp, 37-16-2, 2.63gaa, .908sv%, 3so)
    Defenseman: John Carlson, Hershey Bears (48gp, 4+35=39pts., +37)
    Defenseman: P.K. Subban, Hamilton Bulldogs (71gp, 18+34=52pts., +43)
    Forward: Logan Couture, Worcester Sharks (42gp, 20+33=53pts.)
    Forward: Lars Eller, Peoria Rivermen (66gp, 16+37=53pts.)
    Forward: Tyler Ennis, Portland Pirates (69gp, 23+42=65pts.)

    Each All-Rookie Team member will receive a custom designed crystal award in recognition of his selection to the 2009-10 AHL All-Rookie Team.

    Previous selections to the annual AHL All-Rookie Team include Jean-Sebastien Giguere (1998), Zdeno Chara (1998), Brendan Morrison (1998), Marc Savard (1998), Daniel Briere (1998), J.P. Dumont (1999), Dan Boyle (1999), Cory Sarich (1999), Jonathan Cheechoo (2001), Michael Leighton (2002), Barret Jackman (2002), Ron Hainsey (2002), Jason Spezza (2003), Brad Boyes (2003), Cam Ward (2005), Chris Campoli (2005), Thomas Vanek (2005), Rene Bourque (2005), Brandon Bochenski (2005), Kevin Bieksa (2005), Jimmy Howard (2006), Dan Girardi (2006), Mike Green (2006), Patrick O’Sullivan (2006), Ryan Shannon (2006), Jaroslav Halak (2007), Troy Brouwer (2007), Ryan Callahan (2007), Bobby Ryan (2008), Teddy Purcell (2008), Brian Boyle (2008), Alex Goligoski (2008) and Tim Kennedy (2009).

  94. TripleX says:

    Nothing, only the top two picks would bring Subban into the negotiations.  Edmonton might be talking the talk but there is zero chance they are trading the top pick.  Boston?  Trade their pick with historical rival Montreal?  When pigs fly!

     

     

    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  95. HabFanSince72 says:

    Not quite. One can see oneself discussing hockey over a beer with Eklund – and maybe even enjoying it.

     

  96. ed lopaz says:

    “Harvard scholars”.

    I understand your point and clearly you’re referring to Leblanc.

    However, if you up 2 years at Harvard and 1 year at hamilton, I don’t think that’s too long to wait.

    If Leblanc keeps developing the way he is now, and you sprinkle in his unreal work ethic and hockey IQ,

    we are looking at a guy who will be wearing a letter by the age of 25. and a “C” before he’s done.

     

  97. TorontoHabsFan says:

    Hey Chris,

    Do you happen to know how common it is for NCAA defencemen to play prominent roles in the NHL? I see that McDonagh will have played at least 3 years in college. Off the top of my head I can’t really recall anyone who has gone this route in recent years to great success (although, to be fair, that’s probably because I don’t pay any attention whatsoever to NCAA hockey :)

    I gather it’s far more common to see NCAA players leave after 1 or 2 years in order to sign pro, is that the case?

  98. Xtrahabsfan says:

    Well here’s the problem with the one good 1st game  rookie thing….Garth Murray….blah,Carey Price….WTF,Greg Stewart……fizzzz,Ben Maxwell….000,Serge Kostisin…ha ha ha .The real question ,IF YOU TRADE A SUPERSTAR GOALTENDER FOR AN UNKNOWN PROSPECT SHOULD YOU BE FOUND INCOMPETENT AND IMMEDIATELY FIRED!!!

  99. ed lopaz says:

    T.J. Oshie
    Center
    Born Dec 23 1986 — Mt. Vernon, WA
    Height 6.00 — Weight 194 — Shoots R
    http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid%5B%5D=81042

    Lars Eller
    Forward
    Born May 8 1989 — Rodovre, Denmark
    Height 6.00 — Weight 198 — Shoots L
    http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=105385

  100. SeriousFan09 says:

    EDM isn’t budging, with their dismal record, they have to bring hope
    back to the franchise and that hope is spelled Taylor Hall. They may be ‘entertaining’ offers but really, they’re seeing if they can perform grand theft like the Nordiques did in the Lindros affair when they basically took half of the PHI roster and 15 million for him.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  101. Puck Bard says:

    SI’s take on the Halak trade:

    Halak trade was all about Price

  102. SeriousFan09 says:

    A bit off, but NHL.com has him at 5’11″ and Eller at 6’1″ and IHDB is generally a bit behind.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  103. mike g says:

    All 3 is impossible…

    That’s why I said sign ONE of them.

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  104. Chris says:

    You missed the point.

    Both guys have bright futures.  As a physical defensive defenceman, McDonagh will naturally take longer to develop than many players.  When you rely on strength as a big part of your game, it is a huge jump for an 18 year old.

    By playing in the NCAA (which is against players that are older than anything the kids see in the CHL) for an elite program, McDonagh has learned on the fly in a very good program, McDonagh has been allowed to develop into the 6’1″ and 212 pound frame he now plays at (McDonagh was 6’1″, 200 lbs. when he was drafted).  He is noted for his maturity, his work ethic both on the ice and in the gym, and his defensive prowess…those are all traits that will serve him well when he makes the transition to the NHL, whether it be this summer or next year.

    Is Eller closer?  Yes.  Will he be the better player in the long term?  Anybody who claims to know is pretty delusional.

  105. Chris says:

    As is the case with AHL MVP trophies, all-star appearances and regular season scoring titles, success at the AHL level still leaves it as a pretty big crap-shoot as to whether the player will pan out.

    Some do.  A lot of them don’t.  I think that was the point he was trying to convey.

  106. TomNickle says:

    You don’t think Columbus would bring Subban into the negotiations?  HA

    A puck moving defenseman with elite speed and passing ability is their #1 need.

    That’s why they’ve reportedly been after Kaberle for 18 months.

    What’s your suggestion for the kind of player we need to draft?

     

  107. HabFanSince72 says:

    From that article: ” Price is younger, bigger and has quite a nice body of
    work for someone who is just 22 years old.”

    It is important to remember that Price at 22 has done more than most players his age.

     

  108. TomNickle says:

    Not to mention two Cups.

    But this is my point.  Why give away being competitive for one player who may pan out.

    Getting a player like Petrovic or even Toffoli without having to give away assets to move up is a good position to be in.

    Can they screw up?  Sure, they could draft Schwarz or Coyle.

     

  109. HabFanSince72 says:

    That and the fact that almost all the best players do not play long enough in the AHL to earn awards there.

     

  110. mike g says:

    I don’t care what his name is, or which continent he’s from…

    All I want is the best natural scoring forward available at our spot. Many teams are able to find 30 goal scorers in the 1st round, even as late as 27th overall. Pure/natural snipers is one department the Habs have been scarce at for my whole life.

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  111. mike g says:

    Yes Sir…

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  112. avatar_58 says:

    While true did I miss the part where Halak aged 15 years and was considered an older player making a comeback? They are both young.

  113. SeriousFan09 says:

    That and a No. 1 centre who can play with Nash, they’ve needed one for years and none of their draftees have quite stepped up to the plate. Which is really sad considering all their high picks.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  114. Chris says:

    In Mike Cammalleri, we have an example of a forward on the Habs right now who stayed for three years, and it doesn’t seem to have stalled his career.

    Other forwards to stay three or more years included John Leclair (4 years at Vermont), Martin St. Louis (4 years at Vermont).

    As for defenceman, John-Michael Liles played all four years at the University of Michigan before going on to an above average career as an offensive defenceman.  Ditto for Tom Gilbert, currently of the Edmonton Oilers, who played 4 years at Wisconsin.  Jordan Leopold played 4 years at the University of Minnesota.  Paul Martin played 3 seasons at the University of Minnesota before becoming New Jersey’s best all-around defenceman.

    The recently retired Rob Blake played 3 years in the NCAA, as did Ken Daneyko back in the day.

    I’m sure there are plenty more examples…don’t feel like looking for them.  It IS more common for guys to leave college early…the lure of big contracts is pretty hard to pass up for the young kids.  I can’t say I blame them either, because they are one injury away from seeing all their potential and potentially their future career earnings evaporate in one freak accident (see Kyle Chipchura).

    That being said, there have been some very good defenceman that have come up via the NCAA in recent years, many of whom take their time along the way.

    Defence is a challenging position, and learning on the fly in the AHL or even the NHL can be detrimental to the player’s career.  In the NCAA, the talent, strength and speed of the opposition is a bit lower than in the NHL (but probably significantly better than in Canadian Junior Hockey), but sufficiently high that those kids do just fine later in their careers.

  115. SLONCOLD says:

    well he is 23 in 2 months by the way…

  116. Xtrahabsfan says:

    That reporter did not watch every game the Habs played last year and if he did would not of wrote  such a garbage  editorial.

  117. PeterStone says:

    now, I wont profess to being an expert on the draft.  I havent seen any of these guys play … having said that, if you look at the NHL rankings, and the Bob McKenzie rankings, world of difference.  This is what I would do …

    if there is someone who we are shocked it still there at 27 ,grab him.  If its a crap shoot at 27, and there are a handful of players we want … I say you trade that and try to get 2 higher 2nds or a low salary cap player and a second.  Ideally, we package SK in a trade and maybe we can get another high 2nd or low first …

    I like Petrovic Mackenzie ranks him in the 2nd .. BNelson seems like he has potential ( hate the Minnesota HS thing tho ) if Galiev is around at 40 .. you have to take a shot with him …  same with Kabanov, and I like Martindale @ 58 according to Bob Mckenzie

     

  118. Chris says:

    Disagree with the factual part.

    Until their careers are over, any projections of how far ahead or behind any given player is at this point remains pure conjecture.  We don’t know.

    If I’ve learned nothing else from the past few years, it is simply that nobody has any clue whatsoever what way the dice are going to fall for any young prospects unless they are one of the 1-4 can’t miss prospects in each year’s drafts.

    And even those “can’t miss” guys occasionally do, so I don’t even put a lot of faith in THAT!  Although I do think that both Hall and Seguin will go on to very nice careers.  :)

  119. b_whalen13 says:

    Well, Lars Eller was not an Unknown Prospect in St. Louis, actually, he was quite the opposite. From what i have read and can understand, Lars Eller was very popular, and highly touted to be one of their future star players,  kinda like P.K. Subban is to be a star for the Habs.

     I mean, he was unknown to alot of Habs fans, but i think thats because not alot of fans really keeps tabs on all the other franchise’s prospects, but management does, and its clear that they knew about Lars Eller and what he bring s to the table, therefore, I don’t think anyone should be found incompetent and immediately fired.

    But I’m sure we well agree to disagree :)

  120. SLONCOLD says:

    well i would like to see the habs draft a player and then trade him to another oganization after a year or two for an overpriced player and then trade their next best roster player for a prospect that they could have drafted in a previous draft lol

  121. TomNickle says:

    Spezza going there seems to be picking up some speed.

    I just don’t think the Sens have what it takes to get that done.

    Spezza, Sens 1st and something else would probably have to be the deal.

    The Jackets are staring at one of Gormley, Gudbranson or Fowler and I would make the Sens or anyone else pay through the nose for that pick.

  122. kempie says:

    Not knocking the guy or the pick at all. Yep he’ll be worth the wait no doubt. I just want to pick a big strong kid who is all about hockey right now. Cerebral skills go a long way toward making a complete hockey player (and person), and perhaps I’m a little impatient, but when I hear about the dedicated scholars, the Mr. Hockeys and the Russian potential, I can’t help but let out a big exhausted sigh. I also think that the CHL is the best place to learn how to play on a pro hockey team.

  123. PeterStone says:

    These are the Montreal Canadiens, the most storied franchise in NHL and hockey history … they would never .. uhmmm … forget it.

  124. HardHabits says:

    Tankology 101

    It’s not about this year’s draft. Next year the Habs’ll be in the draft lottery and possibly the year after that. It’s rebuild time. Halak would’ve just guaranteed the Habs make the playoffs again giving them another late pick. Now with Price in nets and Martin as coach with the smurfs up front the Habs are a shoo-in for the bottom 5.

  125. Chris says:

    No, 2 goals and 0 assists.

    Still, nothing to be ashamed of.  Eller has a ton of promise.

  126. Storm Man says:

    Had to text my dad on that one….. Did you get mad when they moved to Nova Scotia?

  127. TorontoHabsFan says:

    Thanks man, I knew you’d have the info. I’m a bit surprised by Blake playing in the NCAA to be honest – I didn’t know that.

    cheers!

  128. Storm Man says:

    A good view point…

  129. TomNickle says:

    Lottery team without Halak?

    I think you’re in for a pleasant surprise if the team’s success is your wish.

     

  130. Chris says:

    Three years at Bowling Green for Rob Blake.  Think he was a Hobey Baker finalist his junior year, but it’s been a long, long time so I can’t remember for sure.

  131. TripleX says:

    I have to qualify by saying I don’t have anywhere near your knowledge of potential draft picks.  I have never really followed the minor leagues or the junior ranks.

    But one player that looks intriguing and might be available in the late first round is a kid from California named Beau Bennet.  He is an 18 year old RW who is 6’1″ and scored 120 points in the BCHL last season.  I have no idea what the BCHL is but scouts say he is an offensive wunderkind with terrific raw talent.

    Is he a gamble?  Absolutely, but a 27th pick is a gamble anyway you look at it.

     

     

     

    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  132. K-hab25 says:

    There’s almost the same difference between Subban 21 and O’byrne 24, but you would hope O’byrne is the more “mature” player.

  133. K-hab25 says:

    And 8 months from then Halak will be 26, by the way…

  134. Storm Man says:

    Can you ask your magic 8ball what the lotto max numbers are for Friday?

  135. HardHabits says:

    Last year’s team certainly was. Even with Halak’s stellar record thte Habs were 19th over-all. Take him out of the picture and insert Price’s won-loss record over the same amount of games and the Habs would’ve been in Hall-Seguin territory.

  136. HardHabits says:

    13-18-21-36-38-47-56

  137. HabsFanInTampa says:

    Why, Xtrahabsfan?

  138. HardHabits says:

    25 months is the difference between the two.

  139. Chris says:

    Oh, Eller was definitely known amongst those that follow prospects.  He was very, very highly touted coming into his draft year, and his play since then really hasn’t done anything to diminish his career potential.  The fact that he has developed some physical edge to go along with his skill is, if anything, a surprise that only raises the expectations for his career.

    It’ll be an interesting race between Lars Eller and Mikkel Boedker to see who can claim the mantle of best Danish hockey player.  Right now, the title probably belongs to Frans Nielsen of the Islanders, although Jannik Hansen is challenging.

    If you count guys that never made the NHL, Kim Staal, a former Montreal draft pick, is probably the best Danish born hockey player.  He’s had a very good Swedish Elite League career and put up a respectable season in the AHL during his only year in North America.

  140. habsfanincalgary says:

    Any word of talks with Plecks’ agent?  And any chances of Saku returning?

  141. TomNickle says:

    Stupid mouse again.

  142. TripleX says:

    Assuming people mature at the same rate and that all age groups are homogeneous is a fool’s game.  Jonathan Toews the Cup MVP is only 22 but most would say he is mature beyond his years.  Age is in the end just a number, while maturity encompasses a myriad of factors of which year of birth is just one aspect.

     

     

    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  143. TomNickle says:

    No, that’s manipulating statistics to your advantage.

    Try this one on.

    What was Halak’s winning percentage without Andrei Markov in the lineup.

    I’m sure your reply will say that we beat Pittsburgh without him, but that’s not my question.

    We’re talking about whether or not this team is destined for a lottery pick.

    So, what was Halak’s winning percentage with Markov not in the lineup?

  144. Storm Man says:

    Why would you want Saku back?

  145. Sportfan says:

    2003 we kinda missed out on a lot of good people but at the same time I don’t mind Laps but man swing and a miss on the others. I mean look at the 2nd round who we missed Weber and Bergeron. DRAFT CANADIAN OR AMERICAN !

  146. Storm Man says:

    Your magic 8ball is not working……. no 50 numbers in lotto picks I would buy a new one :)

  147. SLONCOLD says:

    very good

  148. Chris says:

    By the way, plenty of NCAA defenceman have jumped directly to the NHL in the season after their final NCAA year:  Rob Blake, Tom Preissing, Jordan Leopold, John-Michael Liles, Paul Martin, Erik Johnson, Jack Johnson, etc.

  149. SeriousFan09 says:

    Drafted Canadian in 2004 in the 1st round…

    You have to draft the best player available and you do that with good scouting.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  150. HardHabits says:

    Stupid thing told me 56 was a shoo-in.

  151. HardHabits says:

    11th pick in the draft. ;-)

  152. habs-hampton says:

    Saku is gone. Get over it.

    If your resume does not include things like “6’2″” and/or “213 lbs”, you need not apply. We have plenty of talented, but undersized players. The new trend for us is size and grit! You need a combination of both to win. Eller and Schmidt fit the bill.

  153. K-hab25 says:

    Halaks birthday is in May, Prices is in August, thats 27 months. Thanks for playing.

  154. adam76 says:

    How about we draft on talent and work ethic – instead of geographic location?

  155. HardHabits says:

    We need Saku back so that he can poison the leadership core. This unified locker-room thing is so un-Habs.

  156. TomNickle says:

    TSN rankings have him at #18 overall and he’s considered a wild card that can go anywhere from #10-#45.

    The level of competition is a concern but no more so than High School players in the USA.

    It’s more realistic to look at the players slotted from #20 through #40 for where we’re picking.

    We have a lot of depth at forward in the organization now.

    You may see a draft like ’07 where we drafted defensemen exclusively.

  157. Storm Man says:

    So the only one we have a shot at is Martin :(

  158. HardHabits says:

    I stand corrected. You’re still an a-hole.

  159. K-hab25 says:

    And yet people make a HUGE deal outa of a 22 year old, not being as mature as a 25 year old.

  160. TomNickle says:

    Haha, maybe this will help you put a realistic evaluation on Halak’s worth.

    We were 10-14 when Halak started and Markov wasn’t in the lineup.

    Now consider that trend over an 82 game season and we’re finishing around 8 games under .500.

    Markov is and was the key, not Halak.

     

  161. K-hab25 says:

    Thank You and stay classy!!

  162. pic1983 says:

    I dont really see what was so garbage.  He didnt really agree or disagree.  He didnt diss halak.  He basically just told it like it is. 

     

  163. SeriousFan09 says:

    Yeah, Koivu was so poisonous to the Finnish National Team they never did better than a silver medal at the Olympics, what a D-bag.

    Koivu out of the CH seems unnatural to me, but I also know the only reason to take Koivu back is if he suddenly got 10 years younger and all his knee injuries never happened. 35, injured every season, very banged-up and he’s had his time in MTL, serving in the dark ages and lifting sub-standard teams as far as he could. I say let him enjoy himself in Anaheim, the pressure’s off and he can just play hockey now.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  164. HardHabits says:

    Hitler apprend que Jaroslav Halak est échangé

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l68xo8-p64c

    Sorry you unilingual blokes but this is too funny.

  165. SLONCOLD says:

    u really have it in for halak…. give the guy some credit. all players contributed and markov was one of them.

    from alot fo you posts you almost make it sound like halak got lucky or his success was built on that of others.

  166. adam76 says:

    What was Prices record when Markov was out?

  167. GrimJim says:

    Stephane Robidas wasn’t a shoo-in? Damn…

  168. pic1983 says:

    I think you also have to analyze exactly why that player slid down the rankings.  If the player is getting passed over left, right and center, maybe the other teams that are passing over know something you may not know.  Angelo Esposito anyone? Pittsburgh chose him because he was slated to go about 10 places ahead of where they took him, we all know how that worked out so far. 

    Yes, you do get your Anze Kopitars every once in a while (he was passed over by 10 teams, including ours, because he is from slovenia, not exactly a hockey power), but generally theres a genuine reason why a player slides down the rankings. 

  169. TomNickle says:

    That really isn’t it.  But I find it short sighted when people say that we’re a lottery pick team without Halak.

    With Markov in the lineup, Halak got a ton of his wins, without Markov in the lineup, Price got a ton of his losses.

     

  170. PrimeTime says:

    Always good to read opinions from outside this forum….so much less biased or agenda based. As said by the greatest GM ever, “listen to the fans and you will soon become one”

  171. SLONCOLD says:

    i think it had more to do with the 25 year old playing better than the 22 year old:-) i don’t care if a player yells at the press, waves his hands after a goal or says something stupid on facebook. show up with a solid performance game in and out and produce and you’re fine in my books.

  172. TripleX says:

     

    What?  I fear you missed my point.  Age often has little to do with maturity.

    Is Jonathan Toews at 22 not as mature or arguably more mature than the average 25 year old?

    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  173. GrimJim says:

    I would like to try to move up to get Boston’s 15th pick. I was reading that Boston lacks scoring depth (of course so do we) so I was wondering if AKost and the 27th would be enough to move up. Boston has the 2nd pick so the 15th is gravy and if they get an NHL ready player (possibly a 20 goal scorer) in return for dropping 12 draft picks would it be worth it for them?

  174. Storm Man says:

    I think Tom is just making a point that Halak had a great year and nice playoff run, but a few people on here think and have giving Halak the keys to the HHOF. I bet not very many Habs fan here were that upset when Jose was traded and he won something Halak has won nothing as of yet.

  175. andrewberkshire says:

    Personally I’ve been hoping McDonagh is a bust so that the Gomez trade continues to look favourable, but I never believed he was a bust. From what I’ve heard he’s progressing quite well as a prospect.

  176. TripleX says:

     

    What?  I fear you missed my point.  Age often has little to do with maturity.

    Is Jonathan Toews at 22 not as mature or arguably more mature than the average 25 year old?

    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  177. K-hab25 says:

    Any goaltenders success is based on his teammates, especially wins and losses, which is a “TEAM” stat. My feeling I get is he’s just tired, like alot of us, of hearing how Super Jaro is solely responsible for any success the team had. I know in 2007/2008 Price didn’t get any credit, just blame for what that team accomplished. Fastforward to this year and Super Jaro gets all the credit and none of the blame. Despite the fact they both finished those years losing in 5 to PHI, Price was 1-3, Halak 1-4 and both were pulled once, had GAA’s well over 3 and SV%’s well below .900. Yet Price at 20 was a goat and Halak at 25 was a superhero. In some of our opinions Halak has gotten plenty of credit, maybe to much.

  178. TomNickle says:

    That does it I’m calling Staples, this mouse is about to go through the F’ing window!

  179. Bob_Sacamano says:

    I am really impressed with how much patience you reply to so many stupid posts. I couldn´t do it.

  180. TomNickle says:

    My point is that this team doesn’t tick without Markov.  That’s it.

    In my opinion, Markov is far more vital to the success of this team than either goalie could be.

  181. K-hab25 says:

    Ya I commented to quickly, when I reread your post I got what you were saying. Point taken.

  182. TomNickle says:

    And personal insults and childish banter aside Adam, this is what I’ve been trying to communicate to you since the trade deadline, and that stat proves it.

    There is one win between these two goalies when our most important player is out of the lineup.

    There is a .2 difference in their GAA’s and a .015 difference in their save percentages.

    Now, knowing that, would you pay an extra $2 million/season for a goalie who can’t play the puck as well as the cheaper one and also taking into consideration that you have the cheaper one for a longer period of time without unrestricted free agency status?

    I know their minds were made up and I’m not defending that.  I’m saying that this team didn’t go as Jaro goes, it went as Markov went.  

     

  183. GrimJim says:

    BCHL is Junior A. It’s the same age range but a tier below the WHL/OHL/QMJHL. Some kids who could easily play in the WHL like to go to the BCHL or the AJHL because they can retain their eligibility for the NCAA

  184. Puck Bard says:

    Best line:  “Allez chercher les vuvuzelas”

  185. punkster says:

    Who is Timo when you got HH.

    FREE TIMO!

  186. adam76 says:

    so Halak had a better record with Markov out – another statistical category in which Halak was better then Price.

     

    I would pay 2 million extra for a goalie that has outworked and outperformed the other.  Also – if I were to trade said goalie – I would at least get a roster player as part of the deal.

  187. SeriousFan09 says:

    Down Goes Brown on signs you’re not getting drafted this weekend.

    Not his best, but “During your sit-down interviews with various teams at
    the combine, you answered every question with a 30-second long blast on
    the vuvuzela.” LOL.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  188. Bozo McBozo says:

    Pleks could be the odd man out if we get Vinny or Mats Sundin comes out of retirement.

  189. TomNickle says:

    Wow, there really is no reasoning with you.

    How did Halak react to being on the bench?  Well, he demanded playing time or a trade.

    How did Price react to being benched?  He worked hard, was a good teammate and put the onus on himself to get back in the net.

    When it comes to character, I know which guy I want.

    We’ll see how Jaro plays in October when he knows the job is his.

    Oh, and we’ll see how great he is going up against Detroit and Chicago 12 times next season instead of getting the Leafs and Sabres.

     

  190. HardHabits says:

    Poor SF09. Taking everything so literally. I was being sarcastic as well as caustic.

  191. HardHabits says:

    Yes but RDS says Price is ready. LMAO

  192. Iceberg84 says:

    The Canadiens website doesn’t even list Halak’s stats anymore, as if he didn’t even play. That’s ridiculous. There’s NO reason to remove a player’s stats for the season or playoffs once the season is done. I know they’ve done it before to other players in the past and I didn’t like it then either. It’s pathetic and insulting to fans.

  193. TomNickle says:

    Please explain to me how that insults you as a fan.

  194. SeriousFan09 says:

    No longer a member of the organization, so it could be a violation of some part of the CBA to associate yourself with a player who is no longer on the roster in an official capacity, because of merchandise rights and so on.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  195. punkster says:

    Mustn’t forget Breezer. I hear he’s in play.

    FREE TIMO!

  196. Iceberg84 says:

    Based on your comment alone I’m guessing that nothing I say will satisfy you, so I’ll just refer to my initial post which should explain my feelings on the matter.

  197. SLONCOLD says:

    booo hooo  poor price, no one loves me.

  198. SLONCOLD says:

    fair enough, i’m with you with markov being the most important piece of the puzzle. Out of all the D men he’s the only one who can consitantly hit a player in stride with a tape to tape pass… the other just go boards or glass and out and turn it over

  199. TripleX says:

    Please!  Any money saved when Pleks walks for nothing will be used to lockup MAB longterm.  With Markov out to begin the season we need the passing skills of MAB to move the puck out of our zone.

    That is the reason he was playing over 20 minutes a game in the playoffs isn’t it?

     

     

    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  200. TomNickle says:

    Quite the contrary.  I’m curious.  I’m interested in why the removal of his statistics from the website insults you?

  201. HardHabits says:

    Which is why when he’s injured the Habs are ruined. Hopefully Markov can move into the gritty department because as of late he’s looking like he’s made of glass.

  202. Chris F says:

    Last year a possible big miss was Chris (Kris?) Kreider, he’s a big strong forward who’s going to be much better than Leblanc. Nothing against Leblanc, just Kreider is better.

    And the trade that brought Tanguay to Montreal gave up our first round choice, Calgary took Greg Nemisz with the pick, this guy is going to be “very” good. Another big, strong forward.

    If you add these two guys, we would be much better. Oh well, Gainey was forced to pick a Quebec born player in the Montreal draft last year, and he thought the team was a couple players away from winning it all when he traded for Tanguay. Too bad I guess.

    How you could pick AK ahead of Carter is beyond me though. If you watched any of the World Junior Championships that year, it was a no brainer.

  203. Iceberg84 says:

    Only if you promise that you’re not an ornery troll waiting to bite my head off. :)

    But regardless, I suppose I’ll elaborate. I thought it was pretty clear. It’s nice to look back even a few weeks to remember those members of a team that brought us to heights of glory and excitement for such a short period of time. To see the official website cut them off completely is disappointing. It’s as if the team could care less; as if they’re saying “Jaro who? We only had Carey Price in nets.” It’s almost like if a newcomer to the site stopped by for whatever reason, they wouldn’t know anything about Halak’s achievements this year. Obviously anyone going to the canadiens website would be able to find out about their playoff run and who was responsible elsewhere, but this is the official Habs website we’re talking about.

    It’s just cold and pretty tasteless. The Canadiens organization seems to have a tendency to ignore players as soon as they get traded to other teams as if they never existed and I just find that offensive. In this case, Halak played for the Canadiens and helped them make money if nothing else and now they’ve done their best to erase him from one of their primary sources of contact with the rest of the world.

  204. JIMVINNY says:

    They’ve probably been moved to the St. Louis page.  It’s not a slight aimed at Halak, it’s simply the way the team sites are organize as part of the NHL.com network.  I’m sure he’s still part of the historic roster.

  205. Hockey Socks says:

    I met Chris Kreider on draft night and he seemed like a very mature kid. At that point, I expected all the draftees to be out partying in Montreal while this kid was looking like he was gonna call it a night. He told me he was interviewed by the Canadiens and thought there was a real good chance he may be drafted by them.

    Chris Kreider and I

  206. TomNickle says:

    DAMMIT!  You’re part of the problem, not the solution.  Don’t pigeon hole him like that.

    There’s a growing sentiment that he’s a Kaberle.  F that.  That man plays D.  He plays it damn well too considering his size and the that he doesn’t incorporate physicality as a part of his game.

    His value is not restricted to a puck mover.  I know you know that.  

    I’m just going insane the more I read people suggesting that we should trade him.

    If he won’t sign an extension, yeah ok, trade him.  But if he wants to stay here.  You pay that man right now.

  207. andrewberkshire says:

    Kreider does look like a bit of a miss, but the gap between him and Leblanc isn’t very large. As for Nemisz, have you seen him play? He’s terrible. His junior numbers are in large part due to playing on the most stacked junior team in the last 20 years.

  208. ed lopaz says:

    there is a “fan poll” for Habs MVP. that is still on the Habs site.

    Halak won that poll in dramatic fashion , receiving 24,032 votes.

    Cammy received 19566

    third was plekanec with 4556.

    Carey Price 670 votes

    http://canadiens.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=63011

     

  209. PeterStone says:

    I agree … and since I havent seen any of them play, I will hope that those who do the scouting for the Habs will properly analyze that.  having said that, in ’03 Getzlaf slid because they said his work ethic wasnt there … as it turns out, he just wasnt challenged enough in the CHL .  Maybe we get this years Getzlaf.

  210. HardHabits says:

    I’d rather stoop to your level, thanks for playing.

  211. JIMVINNY says:

    I hope you saw my reply above, but in case you didn’t I’ll elaborate.  All NHL team websites are simply a part of the NHL.com network, controlled by the NHL, and since Halak is now a part of the St. Louis organization, his stats are posted there.  No slight towards Halak intended, I would guess, it’s just the way the NHL sets things up.

  212. SeriousFan09 says:

    Fan polls aren’t always quite accurate, they had Halak as the #2 “Unsung Hero” after all in the fan vote.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  213. TomNickle says:

    That’s completely fair.

    Although I find it more insulting to the player than I do to us fans.

    Jaro Halak should have something by way of a thank you on that site.

    Others have been disrespected too.  More evidence that Pierre Boivin needs to be sent packing.

  214. nick says:

    Hey – Just curious… I know its easy to look at the players now and say “oh he would have been the best pick”… But looking at the facts / stats up until 2003 draft… Of the guys Mike listed who were “overlooked” as the Habs selected AK46… who had the biggest potential upside on paper?

  215. SLONCOLD says:

    calm down tommy boy!!! lol he’s an excellent defensemen. I’m just highlighting his passing abilities because our other D men don’t exactly have them.(PK being the exception)

  216. HardHabits says:

    Too funny!!!

  217. JIMVINNY says:

    I could be way off base, but I think your sarcasm detector might be broken.

  218. TripleX says:

    Since the Montreal Canadiens kept the goalie with more talent and more character according to you we have nothing to worry about for next season.

    Assessing talent can accurately be judged by the use of statistics, the judgement of character is far more nebulous.  I will not debate which individual has MORE character although of course I have my personal prejudices on that point.

    But to infer Halak lacks character is a surprising comment coming from someone who is usually fairly objective.  If any of Halak’s team mates agreed with your statement I would be floored.

     

     

    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  219. Bugs says:

    There once a goalie quite sleek

    Who got us to Conference week.

    Now off to St-Louie;

    If the other goes blooey,

    Certainly we’ll be then up poop creek.

    Keepin it real, I be chillin as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  220. SeriousFan09 says:

    15G, 8A in 38 GP at a very powerful hockey program like Boston College versus 12G, 11A in 31GP by Leblanc at Harvard is hardly him outshining Leblanc I would say, plus Leblanc was dealing with a wrist injury this season.

    If Gainey picks an American, he’s a doofus, if he picks a local boy, he’s a doofus, he can’t win can he? And Nemisz stacked his points on a team that just picked up two straight Memorial Cup Titles let’s not forget. I’d rather have John Carlson selected so the team could continue to build through youth at the blue line, Carlson was a hero for the US WJC squad.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  221. SmartDog says:

    Just thinking about the Habs organization.

    it’s now really obvious that behind closed doors it was understood that Gauthier was the guy to step in when Bob stepped away (or slightly back). There was never a contest; there was never a search.  It didn’t matter who was out there. It would be Gauthier.

    Similarly Price was famously annointed as our goalie way before that decision should have been made.  And here we are, still on that track despite the lack of certainty today in that choice.

    If Mike Komiserik had chosen to remain a Hab (and remember Bob wanted him to, tried to keep him), he’d probably be Captain today.  Why? Because he was also chosen early as being “future captain material” by Gainey.  Thank god he left.

    Larry Robinson? Huh… ??  Nah – don’t need him.  We’ve aleady got people.

    So this is our Habs organization.  They make a decision and close their ears and minds to new information. 

    There are books written about how foolish this is, how this is the ‘old’ way, how being nimble and able to take in new information is what makes companies leaders today. 

    Maybe someone should give Boivan, or Gauthier, or the Molson’s some of those books.  Do they read outside of hockey?  I wonder…  But I can tell you one guy who I am SURE reads those books.  Who?  I’ll give you a hint: he works for the Tampa Bay Lightning now.

    For the many things the Canadiens do well – and there are of course many – it’s a shame they don’t understand progress or change – or just the art of looking around.

    ————————————————————-
    Not signing or trading Pleks = yet another missed opportunity.

  222. TomNickle says:

    HardHabits, Demigod and Adam76 voted 8000 times each.

    In an unrelated note, TomNickle voted 670 times.

  223. adam76 says:

    So I am unreasonable cause I don;t agree with your point of view.  interesting.

    What was Prices record against the sabers and leafs last season?

    His agent was going on about the trades – not Halak himself.  Halaks only fault is having a dipstick agent.  He should have switched agents the second the whole twittergate incident went down.

    Prices character is where I have the most problem.  His off ice activities were well documented last season.   His behavour during his one playoff game (slashing a player from the bench, shooting the puck at the opposition celebrating) was an embarrassment.

    The whole “will see how he reacts in October” argument – can be turned around to Price as well.

    Based on statistics,  work ethic and personal character – I would choose Halak over Price hands down.  

    My follow up question to you is this.  What else could Halak have done to prove he was a better goaltender then Price?  What element makes you so sure Price can have a bounceback season.

  224. JIMVINNY says:

    I alone personally voted for Price over a 1000 times, so clearly there is some sort of conspiracy in the works to rob Carey of his well deserved team MVP award. 

     

    A TRAVESTY, I SAY!!!!

  225. TomNickle says:

    It wasn’t a slight on Halak.  It was an endorsement of Price.

    He reacted in a much better way when going without icetime in my opinion.

    And I think next year will be better from a regular season perspective.  Playoffs, I doubt it unless significant improvements are made.

  226. adam76 says:

    from TSN.ca

     

    Did you feel Montreal made the right move trading Halak:

     

    yes – 24.2

    no – 75.7

    total people – 59,649

  227. ed lopaz says:

    the sentiment and emotional attachment to Halak comes accross loud and clear.

    Gauthier’s job hangs in the balance.

  228. TorontoHabsFan says:

    Ya know, someone who advertises himself as being “smart” really should know the difference between “thinking about” and “making stuff up”

    I realize you’re bored (and really, with an intellect as enormous as yours, who could blame you?), but everything you just said here is pure, unadulterated speculation.

  229. TomNickle says:

    No, you aren’t unreasonable because you don’t agree with me.  You’re unreasonable because you’re shown that there is a 1 win difference in the records between both goalies without Markov and you jump to the conclusion that it makes Halak overwhelmingly better for the franchise.  

    His agent is employed by him.

    Well documented?  I would love a link to a story that shows character issues OFF THE ICE, for Carey Price.  Something that isn’t a childrens picture book you drew up with your latest crayola set.

    To your last question.  With a .910 save % and 2.7whatever GAA.  What exactly does he need bouncing back from Adam?

    You do realize of course that he allowed one more goal on every 115 shots than Halak and 1 more goal every 4 games?

     

  230. Iceberg84 says:

    I think you’re right and that makes sense, but the why only makes it worse. It’s such a mechanical, corporate response to something that a lot of people identify with. There’s not even some kind of thank you article devoted to him. The only mention they make is in the official announcement.

    And yes to the previous comment, it’s definitely a greater slight to Halak than to us. Maybe I’m a bit insulted on his behalf as well since I know he’ll never say anything bad about the organization.

  231. ed lopaz says:

    too funny!!!

  232. SeriousFan09 says:

    RE: 2005

    Cogliano: “Another midget! Gainey sucks!” Also, speed is no good without finish.

    Oshie: “Another midget!!! This team sucks!”

    Tukka Rask: Made history by particpating in the worst playoffs collapse in over 30 years, wow we missed out there.

    Marc Staal: Riding Eric’s coat tails into the NHL like the rest of them, defensive defencemen.

    Devin Setoguchi: His 36 points on a stacked Sharks team, hardly impressive.

    Kopitar: Okay, the big centre issue resolved but he’s about the only one you can say we really missed out on in 2005.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  233. ed lopaz says:

    Tom – Pierre Boivin might be a complete A-hole, but he is not being sent anywhere.

    Gauthier, Gainey and Martin…..now you’re talking. :-))

  234. ed lopaz says:

    The Smart Dog knows his Poop. I think that’s what you used to say in your comments.

    But there is one important correction I would like to make.

    Geoff Molson.

    Molson has stepped in to the situation and allowed Gainey and Boivin to call all the shots – as any new owner should do if they respect the “old guard” which Molson absolutely does.

    Molson has now seen his team make him several millions (some say maybe 15 million or more) from an incredible playoff run.

    That’s good business.

    Therefore, Boivin, Gauthier and Martin were all congradulated and the “old guard” keeps going.

    Should the team falter, however, you will NOT see Molson stand around and wait for the walls to come crumbling down.

    Molson is a young man – around 40 years old.

    He is very “hockey smart” – he knows the game, he knows the players, he is in touch with “new information”.

    I heard Moslon speak for about 20 minutes at my daughter’s school.

    He is VERY DETERMINED TO WIN A CUP!!!

    But as long as the “old guard” keeps winning, what would you have him do?

     

  235. TripleX says:

    ROFL

     

    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  236. TomNickle says:

    If I remember correctly I think Setoguchi was a reach when he was picked too.

    I for some reason remember TSN being shocked because he was supposed to be a 2nd rounder.

  237. ed lopaz says:

    Oshie is an animal !!!

    He has never played small a game in his life.

    He would be great on our team.

    I would have accepted a trade of Halak if it had involved Oshie.

    We could have added to the Halak deal, given them another player like Weber, and I still would have taken Oshie.

     

  238. TripleX says:

    Taking a very wide arc rounding third.  :)

     

    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  239. CBrady12 says:

    HAHAHA burn!

  240. andrewberkshire says:

    And the numbers were similar last year when it was asked if the Habs should have let Kovalev go.

  241. Max_a_million says:

    Gainey is loyal.  People hate it, but he is fiercely loyal.

    Bill Parcells is very loyal like this too, but people don’t hate it.  hmmm ?!?

  242. Max_a_million says:

    Amidst all of the thoughtless drivel of nonsensical negativity that has been spewing all week.  This was actually funny. 

    Thanks

  243. Storm Man says:

    Only 59,649 people voted…… That is a very low turn out for a TSN poll.

  244. K-hab25 says:

    Touche!!!

  245. kirkiswork says:

    Even though he is in St.Louis we could still make Halak an offer that St.louis would have to match.

  246. SmartDog says:

    I’ll look forward to all of your future posts being filled only with scientific facts.  I’m sure this makes you really interesting and fun to talk to too.

     

    ————————————————————-
    Not signing or trading Pleks = yet another missed opportunity.

  247. SmartDog says:

    You can be loyal and make good decisions or loyal and make bad decisions.

    When loyalty beats out judgement or results, it’s not worth as much.

    ————————————————————-
    Not signing or trading Pleks = yet another missed opportunity.

  248. kempie says:

    Alright, break it up. Let’s ask the question – who are we gonna take? Here’s my picks, in order:

    Austin Watson

    Dylan McIlrath

    Emerson Etam

    John McFarland

    Ryan Martindale

  249. adam76 says:

    Price was 2 – 3 against Toronto and Bluffo last season, just FYI.  Also – why would you use Buff as an example of a weak team?

     

    One win difference with markov out – a 16 game win difference across the full season.  I feel the full season is a great beramater to judge success.

     

    I do agree – he was at fault for not firing his agent.

     

    Down the playoff drive, Price was  4 – 10.  If this isn;t a record of a player needing a bounceback season – I don;t know what is.

     

    Halak was better in every single statical category (.924 save precentage and 2.64 gaa)  Halak also won more games when the team was without Markov. 

    So again I ask, how are you so sure Price is the better horse to back.  is it because he is a little younger?  is it because of his draft position and AHL experience?  His rookie season?

  250. SmartDog says:

    Thanks. I hope you’re right.

    Though if you are, Molson must realize it’s Halak who brought him most of that money…. but yeah, to come in and start calling the shots right away would not be smart. 

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    Not signing or trading Pleks = yet another missed opportunity.

  251. andrewberkshire says:

    Result of summer I’d say.

  252. TorontoHabsFan says:

    No need for only scientific facts (not sure how they relate here…but then again you’re the guy touting Gladwell, so what do I know from scientific facts?)- but making stuff up in order to disparage others isn’t, as my momma taught me, nice.

    Oh and I am a really interesting and fun person to talk to – ask anyone!

  253. JIMVINNY says:

    I’ve been accused of running so fast that my feet don’t even touch the ground, much less the base.  Think hamster in a wheel;  Going so fast it looks like the hamster is running in mid-air.

  254. likehoy says:

    that’s just not classy

  255. Max_a_million says:

    We won’t, we have a very friendly relationship betweeen Montreal’s brass and St. Louis’.

    That’s a Brian Burke move, and doesn’t make much sense.  You can’t be trading with other organizations if they think you are trying to screw them over. 

    St. Louis isn’t trying to screw us over for the same reason, which is why Eller is going to be very good.

  256. ed lopaz says:

    have you seen the size difference between John Davidson and Pierre Gauthier these days??? Gauthier eats like my 10 lbs mini schnauzer. It could get ugly since Davidson is still about 240 lbs or so. Its not going down that way, bud!

  257. SmartDog says:

    You’re right!

    Imagine if we bundled Price with Gomez and made a blockbuster deal for some young prospects, then dumped Hamrlik and used the extra cap space to sign Halak, Plekanec, and another free agent.

    Holy cow – what a team we could have.

    I nominate you for GM!

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    Not signing or trading Pleks = yet another missed opportunity.

  258. adam76 says:

    My question is – what more could have Halak done to prove he was the better goaltender?  He was superior to Price in every statical category last season, and was streets ahead in regards to maturity and work ethic (both on and off the ice.

    Oh well – its done now.  Still think we could have gotten an actual roster player for him.

    Also – missing out on Robinson – a man who wanted to help out our organization – is embarrassing.  The man won a cup as a head coach, he gets winning.

  259. SeriousFan09 says:

    It would be quite a shock if Mcllrath made it to 27th overall, most chatter has him going late teens, early 20s in the draft, Canadiens would have to trade up for him, which is something I’m not averse to because of the element he brings.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  260. Bozo McBozo says:

    The Breezer is never “in play.” He is “The Play!” He’s still the World’s Most Interesting Defenseman.”

  261. TomNickle says:

    None of the above Rick.

    Alex Petrovic is the pick.

    Watson, Etem and McIlrath will be gone when we pick.

  262. Max_a_million says:

    Sure

    People forget.  People forget how bad this organization was before Gainey came.  We were a joke paying big money to crap players with no chance of anything.  We had a minor league roster in the pros, and no players on the farm at all.  We had nothing close to a super star.  We had nothing.  No free agents ever considered coming here.  Our biggest pick up was Trevor Linden who we overpaid for. 

    Unless Sydney Crosby falls in your lap it’s tough to do the work of turning an organization, especially one with high expectations.  We have some players on the farm now.  We have some stars now, I wouldn’t call them superstars, but we have some stars now.  We are making the playoffs every year, winning playoff games and series, had the best record a couple years ago.  Free agents want to come here now, we didn’t have to ridiculously overpay Cammy. 

    People just forget how very bad it was.  I wish they would.

  263. SmartDog says:

    LMAO.

    So somehow my post – where I put out a theory about the habs organization and do the work of supporting it at least is “not nice” while your sarcastic personal attack on me is good etiquette that would make your momma proud?  You’re a joke.

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    Not signing or trading Pleks = yet another missed opportunity.

  264. kempie says:

    It would be a shock but you have to be prepared when someone slips through the cracks. I could live with an upgrade this year as well so long as it doesn’t cost too much. If it was up to me and we traded up, this is the guy I’m after for sure.

  265. SmartDog says:

    Halak needed to grow 3-4 inches. That’s all.

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    Not signing or trading Pleks = yet another missed opportunity.

  266. K-hab25 says:

    No Price is waaaaaay more loved than Halak is by the people that matter. Nice, talk about “boo hoo hoo”, you must of missed the last few days of whiny a** Halak fans. I’m ecstatic, they kept the better goalie and didn’t screw up royaly by keeping Huet 2.0.

  267. Rob says:

    reviewing this list, it would appear that MAYBE the Habs draft record isn’t as bad as it’s constantly made out to be here.  ESPECIALLY when you compare it to our drafting in the previous two decades.  The fact that almost every one of our first round picks have made it to the NHL is a pretty good indication that we are at least drafting NHL talent.  Sure there are players who could have been had who have panned out better.  That happens all the time.  Even the BEST scouting teams miss out on the diamonds in the rough.  But anyone who claims that our drafting has been ”terrible” or “atrocious” needs a better understanding of what exactly that is.  And for your free introductory lesson, please just google “Habs first round draft 80′s 90′s”

  268. Max_a_million says:

    You are asking the wrong question. 

    The question is how do you put together a contender in the salary cap age?

    You need players that cost less so you can afford players who cost more.  Even if you prove Halak is much better than Price, he is much more expensive and for him we got two really young good players who will be cheap for many years so we can sign someone like a Thomas Plekanek. 

    If you give all your money to Jaro who the heck is centering your 6 million dollar investment in Cammy next year?  Maxim Lapierre? 

  269. TripleX says:

    Don’t worry Mr. Boone the THREE AMIGOS have it all under control. First step was to let go SIX scouts thus saving the valuable dollars this cash strapped franchise needs to survive.  Those 20 million windfall dollars that the home playoff games brought in are already spent on the THREE AMIGOS pension plan.

    Have no fear I am sure some summer students will find the franchise players we need by scouring the internet and Youtube.  Dollars are  not to be wasted don’t you know and scouts can’t be justified to the shareholders.  Scouts?  We don’t need no frigging scouts!

     

     

    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  270. ManApart says:

    You are right. I’ve already lost faith in the guy. It’s not like his career track record was all that great. Maybe he was the one behind some of BoBo’s terrible moves. I mean he was director of pro scouting. Samsonov, Niinimaa, BGL, Tanguay, Gomez, the loss of Streit, Beauchemin, Robidas, for nothing while signing Dandenault, Hammer and Spacek to big money contracts instead. The Halak trade for not very much, while staying with Price. That last one may prove to be not a bad move, could could very well turn out to be the disaster of the century. As you mentioned, the large majority of fans already think so.

  271. ed lopaz says:

    Alex Petrovic is exactly the same player we just acquired in Ian Schultz, is he not?

    Right handed shooting big defenceman who plays very tough, likes to fight, and will never be confused with

    Subban in terms of skill??

  272. SmartDog says:

    Like I said, the organization has done a lot right – obvoiusly.  And Gainey did a lot right too.  But having improvied our potential in so many ways it sucks all the more somehow to see opportunities missed. 

    What I was trying to say is that this seems to be a bit of the pattern of where things have not gone so right. Making decisions and not seeing the downside, or other opportunities.  It’s the same with the Gomez deal – the idea that this was what Gainey HAD to do.  I don’t agree.  I’d rather sit with 5-6 mil in cap space and a team that struggled and wait for a better opportunity.  Cap space teams have a real strategic advantage.  You can pick up players that need to be moved and… uh… what else?  Oh yeah – sign the awesome goalie you developed and who got you to the cup finals.

    People on here seem to assume sometimes because you call out something that you don’t like that you’re trashing someone or soething.  I’m not trying to do that.  But I think there are blinders on – and with the Larry Robinson thing on the heels of both Halak and Boucher, it just seems to be there.  At least to me.

    ————————————————————-
    Not signing or trading Pleks = yet another missed opportunity.

  273. TripleX says:

     

    Well, the wrong way is to build around a core of high priced older UFA”S hastily put together on July 1, 2009.

    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  274. TomNickle says:

    Actually, Petrovic is good at everything. He isn’t superb in one area.

    He passes the puck very well and is a good skater that sees the ice well.

    He is tough, not McIlrath tough, but tough nonetheless.

    Schultz is a forward too Ed.

  275. adam76 says:

    Winning should come first.  If you are not “cheating”, you are not trying.

     

     

  276. TorontoHabsFan says:

    Ya know, your missives would be a lot more tolerable if you didn’t frame every blinking thing that pops in your head as the most obviously brilliant thing ever written. I can see that you like to fancy that you could do a better job than anybody the Canadiens have ever hired – but just once I’d like you to admit that you really are just talking out your backside (like the rest of us).

     

    sacastic jokingly yours,

    THF.

  277. Chorske says:

    “Another midget!!! This team sucks!”

    Stop quoting from the HIO playbook.

  278. Iceberg84 says:

    Anyone else find the canadiens website somewhat cold in its treatment of players who get traded from the team? Halak was a hero for us and now that he’s gone all they have to say is ‘Canadiens general manager Pierre Gauthier announced Thursday the
    acquisition of forwards Lars Eller and Ian Schultz from the St. Louis
    Blues in return for netminder Jaroslav Halak.’ As if he never existed. Why is it always up to the newspapers to talk about how much people like a certain player as opposed to the team’s official website? Does that bother anyone else? Or just me?

  279. SeriousFan09 says:

    MTL needs to add some defensive defencemen on the farm with size.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  280. TripleX says:

    Touche’ SmartDog!   

     

    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  281. Storm Man says:

    Summer has nothing to do with it. We all have computers and smart phones.

  282. SeriousFan09 says:

    How about don’t panic until after the draft is over and basically every scout in the league who might have their contracts running up with other NHL teams is considering their options and might think they can make a better living working for the MTL scouting department and get into a bigger market?

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  283. Max_a_million says:

    Only Spacek out of that group was old. 

    Just because July 1st happens in a hasty manner, don’t be foolish enough to think that the planning and implementation is hasty.  You have to be prepared to go to sign these big free agents or you will miss the boat.

    Just because a final exam only takes an hour and half, don’t discount all of the preparation it takes to be ready for that short hour and a half. 

  284. TheMock780 says:

    Either Alex Petrovic or, the guy I have wanted the Habs to draft for a couple of months, John McFarland. Petrovic is good at everything on the backend and McFarland has been compared to Brendan Morrow and Mike Richards and when was the last time the Habs had a player like those two? Oh and he’s a big right handed centre.

  285. TripleX says:

     

    I am still saddened by the cavalier treatment of Saku,so the way Halak was dismissed comes as no surprise.  I recommend you read J.T’s latest blog which relates to this way of operation with current management.

     

    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  286. likehoy says:

    you’re starting to sound like eklund. it’s as if you have a hat full of story lines and every morning you reach into your hat “okay so today…3 amigos …. scouts….playoff revenue” okay now to put all 3 in one sentence of negativity.

  287. SmartDog says:

    IF YOU ARE AN ADVISOR TO GAUTHIER, WHICH OF THE FOLLOWING IS CLOSER TO SOMETHING YOU MIGHT SAY:

    A. It’s better to use up all our cap and do the best we can with the best players available now. Otherwise we’re missing the opportunity to put all our resources into action and ice the best team we possibly can.

    B. It’s better to leave several million in cap room and wait for the
    right opportunity to use it rather than spend it all now unless we’re fully happy with every signing even if we have one less veteran on the ice in October.

    ————————————————————-
    Not signing or trading Pleks = yet another missed opportunity.

  288. kempie says:

    Yeah I know they will, but I really don’t want a dman. I know Petrovic is big and nasty but Mclrath is big, nasty and crazy to the bone. Otherwise, I’m hoping for a big talented forward from junior. No more Mr. Minnesotas or Harvard scholars. I want a kid who is accustomed to the “entertainment factor” they’re exposed to in the CHL and who wants nothing but to play in the NHL as soon as possible. That being said, I wouldn’t be crushed if we did end up with Petrovic. What do you think it would take to swap picks with someone like Colorado, Phoenix or LA? Could it be worth it? Maybe Plex negotiating rights + SK? Am I dreaming here?

  289. TripleX says:

    You are so right!  If Oshie was coming back for Halak I would have at least understood.   Someone who could make an immediate impact.

     

    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  290. HabsFanInTampa says:

    Yes, it bothers me somewhat. But, what really irks me, is the fact that the local Montreal media has so much power and influence over a privately owned organization such as the Canadiens. It seems the the Habs are so easily swayed by their decisions , because they’re afraid of what the local newspapers might write about them. Do you think George Steinbrenner would give a damn about what the New York Post has to say about his Yankees. Absolutely not! He’s the owner and he makes the decisions over his team. If the media thinks they could do a better job, let them purchase an NHL team and make their own decisoins on roster, GM, Head Coach, etc. 

  291. TorontoHabsFan says:

    Oh, and it’s a bit rich to receive a chiding from you about  etiquette when your first response to me boils down to “well if you read this book you’d be smart like me, but since you didn’t you’re obviously wrong.”

  292. Chorske says:

    I’m told Jaro is now a Blue

    I fear Lady Luck left with him too

    And the worst is, we lost’er

    For a kid not on the roster

    But what was Pierre Gauthier to do?

  293. TomNickle says:

    I think the cat is out of the bag that Pleks wants to test the market at this point.  So I don’t see a team willing to do that.

    I think moving a prospect like Trotter or Weber could get it done though.  Depending on the team.

    I don’t see an upside to doing this though.

    There isn’t enough of a gap between McIlrath and Petrovic to move up.

    If you want Watson or Niederreiter, then yeah pay to move up, but not for McIlrath.

  294. pic1983 says:

    “For the many things the Canadiens do well – and there are of course many – it’s a shame they don’t understand progress or change – or just the art of looking around.”

    Well said.  I always found it frustrating that this organization never “looks around”.  They try to make the quick decision, never the right decision. 

    Case in point: Jacques Martin.  The idea that we gave a long-term, highly lucrative deal with a huge buyout penalty, to a coach who no other team wanted, just further illustrates that point.  Why look around? Hes been a coach, hes french, good to go! Gainey stepping down? Why search for some fresh blood? we have a gainey clone already working as his assistant, well just flip their positions to save face, and call it a day! What a joke… 

    As much as im for the halak deal, and can understand the business side of it, I think its safe to say that the habs, in true Montreal Canadiens fashion, didnt do their due diligence, and didnt exhaust every possible avenue and scenario.  Based on the comments I heard from Pierre Gautheir after the trade, it seems like the process involved a lot of assumptions, and not actual facts. 

  295. likehoy says:

    well a combination of both.

    looking into the future, we have AK46, markov, pacioretty, hamrlik all free agents at the end of next season. gotta put some money aside in case we need to give any of those players raises, many of which undeserving at the moment. 

    we should use up our cap space up until 2 million of relief, giving us around 5 million to spend (including LTIR cushion).

  296. likehoy says:

    weren’t you the one upset with diving in soccer? lol

  297. TripleX says:

    Eklund?  Now that really hurts dude. :)

     

    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  298. ManApart says:

    It’s not talked about enough, Boivin is a phoney. He’s all smiles and talks about the Habs tradition and winning attitude. behind closed doors he’s all about the dough and the French agenda. I despise the guy. It’s a damn shame the Molson’s didn’t clean house and bring in Robinson as President, McGuire as GM and Boucher as coach. This current mute mafia is a disgrace to the organization.

  299. SmartDog says:

    ah.. so that’s your sore point.

    sorry if I hurt your feelings.  i wasn’t intended that way.  I think expert prediction is VERY possilbe.  It’s just not what we might think.  I studied psych for almost 10 years, and guys like Gladwell point out how experts are wrong – usually becaues of their own blinders.  He says most infomration is noise… and that even experts balk at how little of the RIGHT information can help make better decisions.  And he proves it scientifically.  Really the book Blink is an amazing read about how decisions are made.  If you’re interested in that kind of thing.

     

    ————————————————————-
    Not signing or trading Pleks = yet another missed opportunity.

  300. ed lopaz says:

    yes he is a forward – I don’t know why I thought he was a d-man. thanks.

  301. SeriousFan09 says:

    Eller is apparently NHL-ready and 3 inches taller, all respect to Oshie’s talent but the fact is, we need bigger players on the Top 6, regardless of how big a guy like Oshie plays.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  302. Max_a_million says:

    double post, sorry

  303. TomNickle says:

    Your homer pick didn’t go unnoticed Rick!

  304. TomNickle says:

    Your homer pick didn’t go unnoticed Rick!

  305. Bugs says:

    One too many syllables in your 4th line.

    Keepin it real, I be chillin as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  306. b_whalen13 says:

    After the Halak trade, I was kinda disappointed that the return was only 2 prospects I have never heard of and knew nothing about. So I went browsing around a bunch of St. Louis sites and reading all the posts from their fans, and they are disappointed with the loss of Lars Eller. So I went looking up whatever I could find on this kid and here is some of what they wrote about him after his first 2 games in the NHL…

    “The Blues once again came out flat, but one bright spot was the ROOKIE, Lars Eller! He was great in his first game as he scored the Blues’ only goal on a deflection from Erik Johnson in the 3rd period.”

    “There were a few scrums and several hits dished out by each team. Lars Eller threw quite a few big hits, and even mixed it up with Hartnell and Pronger. The kid is fearless!”

    ” T.J. Oshie and Lars Eller were easily the two best players for the Blues on the ice tonight. “

    ” Eller was a +1, was tenacious, and was just excellent tonight. He was the fastest player out there, threw his weight around, mixed it up, aggravated the Flyers, and really gave the offense some more energy as he created numerous scoring chances.”

    I am now really looking forward to seeing this kid play for the Habs. I believe he well be with the team right out of camp and If he plays like they say he does, He should quickly become a fan favorite and a star in the NHL. :)

  307. Max_a_million says:

    OK point taken

    We have no choice with Boucher unless we were willing to fire Jacque Martin.  No organization will ever keep it’s employees from advancing, and have any success.  Firing Martin just was feasible coming off our strong playoff, plus we would have to eat his salary, and he has a poison pill in his contract should he get fired that makes the money much worse. 

    I think it is tough for people to get their hands on the salary cap issue with Halak.  Not signing Halak got us two good and cheap prospects, and opens the door to sign someone like Plekanek.  You can’t have everything you want in a salary cap world.  You have to make value assessments and even if Halak is the better goalie, Price without arbitration rights is the better value. 

    Think about it with your own budget at home say you had $30,000 to spend on a car and home repair.  If you get a $25,000 car you that you like a lot, then you leave little room for home repair.  If you have a car that isn’t quite as good right now, but you can get for $15,000, then you have free up lots of money for home repair.  Its even better when you throw in the two kids cheap.  Cammy needs a center, that’s our home repair.  Keeping Halak would cost you a center, and hurt your 6 million dollar investment in a star sniper. 

  308. Chris says:

    Somebody posted it below, but it struck me as funny.

    Ryan McDonagh (by the way, a nice article on McDonagh was posted on the Rangers site the other day) was drafted 12th overall by Montreal in 2007, while Lars Eller was drafted 13th overall by St. Louis.

    McDonagh has just finished his third year in the NCAA as one of the tri-captains of the University of Wisconsin Badgers, a traditional power that fell in the NCAA championship game, and is now contemplating whether to sign with the Rangers or complete his senior season.

    Eller just finished his first year in the AHL and put up some good numbers, after playing a season and a half in the Swedish Elite League.

    Neither guy has yet managed to crack the NHL on a regular basis:  Eller has played 7 games, while McDonagh has not made his debut yet.

    Here in Montreal, fans have already written McDonagh off as a bust, while being excited with Eller’s incredible potential.  We are one funny fan base.  :)

  309. Bozo McBozo says:

    Man, I wish we had the rights to the Badgers’ Blake Geoffrion. He wore his grandfather’s number 5 at Wisconsin.

  310. likehoy says:

    well 1 year in the AHL makes a world of difference. Eller played in pro and played well. 

    mcdonagh is still playing at the college level which makes it tough to evaluate him with relativity to NHL-readiness.

  311. Max_a_million says:

    ‘B’ sounds great in theory

    All of the succesful teams in the league are doing ‘A’ including Pittsburgh, Chicago, Philly, Detroit, Wash, Boston … pretty much all of the good teams are always in cap trouble.

  312. HFX-HabFan says:

    This is somewhat related; below is a list of current NHLers who made their debut with Montreal.  The majority were drafted and developed by the Canadiens, but all made their debut with us:

    Forwards: Koivu, Higgins, Ribeiro, Ryder, Plekanec, Latendresse, Kostitsyn(s), Tucker, Conroy, Lapierre, Asham, Grabovski, Pyatt, Brashear, D’Agostini, Chipchura, Ivanans

    Defensemen:  Markov, Rivet, Streit, Robidas, Beauchemin, Komisarek, Hainsey, Bouillon, Clark, Schneider, Chelios, Subban, O’Byrne

    Goaltenders:  Price, Halak, Vokoun, Theodore, Garon, Danis

    Clearly our team has excelled in developing NHL-level goalies and defensemen moreso than forwards in the last decade and a half.  This goes hand-in-hand with the points Chris brought up earlier- the players are a reflection of the team’s style.  Not exactly a list of high-octane offensive forwards there, but plenty of capable two-way defenders, and goalies who have posted some excellent numbers at different points in their career.

  313. TomNickle says:

    Eller has shown a willingness to challenge himself by moving the pro ranks.  Starting in the SEL and moving to the AHL.

    McDonagh is continuing his education and if he is going to make it to the NHL, it’s going to take him longer to get his game where it needs to be.  Nothing wrong with that.

  314. TomNickle says:

    Kubina, Michalek by free agency.

    Ian White, Brent Seabrook(DRUELING), Burns(Apparently available) by trade.

     

  315. TomNickle says:

    Not if I was confident in my abilities and aware that the Habs needed to make a big splash for scoring by free agency.

    Why sign a long term deal at a cheap cost when you can have one big year and cash in.

  316. andrewberkshire says:

    I would love Brent Seabrook but that’ll never happen. Of those guys I’ve heard Kubina wants 3 years at 4.5, so no way on him. Michalek likely will have a bit of a bidding war over him and I don’t think Calgary is interested in moving White.

    Brent Burns however is interesting. He’s certainly fallen out of favour in Minnesota, and because of injury problems and a substantial cap hit he may not be difficult to acquire. I’d like to see the Habs look at Burns.

  317. TomNickle says:

    $3.5 million/season is a great value for what is essentially a poor man’s Shea Weber.

    I would love him here.

    And I would move the Kostitsyns and a pick for him.

  318. andrewberkshire says:

    I would do that deal as well.

  319. ed lopaz says:

    Ok – I admit its hindsight. But look at the habs track record.

    They are constantly running out of time and letting guys go for nothing come July 1.

    Will we sign Markov, or will the Habs declare in January that the talks are “ongoing and look promising” like theyve done with Plekanec?

    There is no one more “core” than Markov.

    But the clock is ticking, now he’s injured, and the Habs don’t sign him…….

     

     

  320. andrewberkshire says:

    I doubt we’ll be trading for another center. Looking at all Montreal’s assets, despite popular opinion we’re very strong at center and very weak on the wings. The only winger I see with top 6 potential is Kristo, so if anything I’d rather acquire some big scoring wingers, and keep Pleks and Gomez where they are.

  321. SeriousFan09 says:

    Agree, all this talk about White, Pyatt being full-timers and Engqvist coming over, signing Lapierre and Moore would mean we would have five guys who were drafted/signed as centres on the bottom six, handy if someone is waved out of the faceoff circle but few guys who naturally play the wing is an issue.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  322. TomNickle says:

    This all hinges on the idea that Pleks will be brought back.

     

  323. andrewberkshire says:

    Agreed about that, and despite what many in the media have stated about the Flyers series, the gap in talent and size on the WINGS was a far bigger problem than the size of the centers. Wingers have to fight to keep the puck in along the boards, and unfortunately our two best wingers aren’t big and aren’t great at that, so we need upgrades to help them out. 

    When it comes down to it, I’m far more concerned with upgrading our wings and defense than the two biggest topics of this board, centers and goalies.

  324. andrewberkshire says:

    From what I’ve heard talks are going well.

  325. TomNickle says:

    Funny we’ve been rumoured in on Horton for over a year and then Boston all of a sudden comes out of nowhere.  That very likely could’ve been a Dale Tallon media prop to get Gauthier to push the panic button and send him a dream package.

    Yesterday Horton to the Bruins was imminent.  Funny how it hasn’t happened yet.

    I’m thinking Tallon definitely used the media to try upping Horton’s return.

  326. SeriousFan09 says:

    Discussing with a friend, he agrees Horton’s value is suspect with no WJ, OLY, IIHF or NHL Playoffs in his career, his biggest games before the NHL were the OHL playoffs. Horton’s value is up because of the lack of scoring in free agency, but I think teams are cautious about a guy who’s never played the big games in his playing career thus far. I wouldn’t want to see too much expended on the guy.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  327. andrewberkshire says:

    I would love to have Horton on this team if AK46 was going the other way. On one hand I want to see what AK46 does in a contract year and trade him at the deadline, but if we can get Horton for him and a little bit more I would do it.

  328. TomNickle says:

    Going well for us or Pleks? Ha.

    As long as Hamrlik’s contract isn’t on the books come July 1st it’s a good move.

  329. SeriousFan09 says:

    Weren’t they going well with Komisarek last year?

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  330. andrewberkshire says:

    I don’t remember, but I’m glad they didn’t.

  331. ed lopaz says:

    “going well” would have been locking him up 12 months ago.

    if you identify a “core player”, then he should signed and not on his way to unrestricted free agency.

    this was not Gainey’s finest move.

  332. andrewberkshire says:

    If we can somehow trade Hamrlik I’ll be jumping for joy. However I think we’d need to bring in a good defenseman via free agency to replace him. I would kill to get Paul Martin.

  333. TomNickle says:

    I love the idea of playing him in a contract year too but you then have to come to the conclusion that we won’t get anything for him.

    This team never trades players at the deadline when they can use them in the playoffs.

    In keeping him for the bulk of the season you have to be prepared that he won’t be moved.

  334. andrewberkshire says:

    Ed, serious question: Have you heard of any single notable UFA or even RFA player who’s signed a contract yet? Any? That’s right, no one has, so why do we expect all of our contracts to be locked up by now?

  335. TomNickle says:

    If he doesn’t get a chance to play in the big games how can he prove himself in them?

     

  336. SeriousFan09 says:

    Glad Komiwreck is out of here as well but I considers talks are going well after a contract has been signed at a good cap hit. So many rumours out there, I wait to see the ink on the contract.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  337. andrewberkshire says:

    That’s true, but I’m speculating that the plan would be to increase his value in order to trade him. Kind of like the Avalanche did with Wolski this season. But like I said, if Florida offered a trade for Horton with AK46 and something else small, I would jump on it instantly.

  338. SeriousFan09 says:

    I have to think at one point in the last few years he was called to play in IIHF but declined. as for WJ, well he was a 3rd overall selection in one of the deepest draft years ever which means at some point he must have garnered attention for Under-18 or WJ appearances. OLY was a longshot of course and playoffs out of the question with FLA but I wouldn’t want to take too high a risk to acquire him only for it not to pan out when we need him.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  339. TomNickle says:

    Wouldn’t be surprised to see that with Gionta here.

     

  340. HFX-HabFan says:

    I’m pretty high on Horton and would love to have him here- I think he’s one of the most overlooked power forwards in the league: big body, plays with a physical edge, can pass or shoot, can play centre or wing, shoots right.  He was drafted third overall in what was the best draft class in recent memory, and one that will go down in history as one of the best of all time.

  341. HFX-HabFan says:

    K brothers and Hammer for Horton, a pick, and a D prospect (Ellerby)?

  342. TomNickle says:

    I know that’s what you meant.  I’m just going by management’s demonstrated philosophy of not taking scoring out of the lineup with the playoffs on the line.

    I’m kinda Switzerland on that philosophy.  Subtracting a player can do a world of harm.

    I think that Trotter will get shopped.  He played well in a contract year on a team full of players in contract years.

  343. TomNickle says:

    Ellerby was a 3rd overall pick I believe.  I wouldn’t hold my breath on that one.

  344. TomNickle says:

    10th overall.  My bad.  Still, I don’t see it.

  345. pic1983 says:

    MY perception is most pending UFAs that teams intend on keeping are locked up well before july 1st.  A high number of pending UFA’s that are allowed to get to July 1st generally do not return.  Obviously, the sedins are the first that come to mind as an exception.

  346. andrewberkshire says:

    What are your thoughts on Martin, Tom?

  347. ed lopaz says:

    you’re right andrew. last year, when plekanec came off his 39 point season he openly admitted to the press that he played like a little girl in the playoffs.

    now, you’re Gainey for a moment, OK?

    you have a “core” player; one who you have drafted in the 3rd round, and devloped from scratch.

    he’s made it all the way to his final year before unrestricted free agency.

    he lays a stink bomb (through very little fault of his own – check out his wingers!!!) of 39 points and he soft serves a girly performance in the playoffs.

    You (Gainey) can call him up and say,

    “hey, Thomas, how about we (the Habs) show you some loyalty, and some long term committment??”

    Nope.

    That’s what I’m saying.

    check out detroit and chicago and pittsburgh and you’ll find the “core” is signed way before they become unrestricted/

    now its too late.

    If I’m Plekanec’s agent, I advise him that this might be the best year ever for a guy like Plekanec to hit the

    jackpot.

    Now the Habs are trying to play catch up on a mistake that was made 12 months ago.

     

  348. andrewberkshire says:

    In my dreams!

  349. andrewberkshire says:

    I think we can possibly get a solid player or two for Trotter and Desharnais. They’re both guys who can play in the NHL soon, and the only reason they have no chance with this team is because we have our fill of small forwards.

  350. andrewberkshire says:

    You didn’t answer my question. You changed the subject to something that doesn’t apply to the Montreal Canadiens. Plekanec wasn’t a superstar coming off of his rookie contract, and hence wasn’t signed to a massive, long-term deal. No GM in their right mind is going to sign a player who’s point production dropped by THIRTY points from a year ago to a long term contract. It doesn’t happen.

  351. SeriousFan09 says:

    Their core players that are signed didn’t lay up stinkers before new contracts had to be signed either, not the best example.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  352. TomNickle says:

    My thoughts exactly with regard to those two specifically.

  353. HFX-HabFan says:

    The Cats don’t have that much cap space to work with either- Hammer will have to be dumped somewhere else.  I highly doubt Tallon would take just the K brothers for Horton; we might have to toss in something else.

    The pick in my proposed deal definitely wasn’t a first rounder by the way- I’d be ecstatic if Florida gave us back our 2011 second rounder in that trade.

  354. TripleX says:

     

    I completely agree Ed.  The greatest asset a GM can have in my opinion is to be able to assess talent both on the roster and in the system.  The fact that Bob so often allowed players to make it to July 1 without making a definitive decision was troubling.

    Identify your core players early and bite the bullet and sign them long term.  Waiting for the UFA deadline can only drive up the price and risks losing that player to free agency.

    Detroit wasted no time in resigning Bertuzzi for example.  Now I can’t stand the dude and question his value, but Holland identified him as an asset and signed him.  Why does it take Montreal so long to make a decision on a player besides Price that is?

     

    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  355. andrewberkshire says:

    I’d be ecstatic with that trade without the pick.

  356. TomNickle says:

    He’s a tough player to figure out.  He shows flashes of physical play and can definitely QB the powerplay and move the puck.  He’s pretty inconsistent and fragile at times.  And we do have Spacek sitting there too.

    With Gorges and Markov needing new contracts it becomes difficult to anticipate what the club can afford to give him.  I would also like to see Yemelin jump the pond next season and be given a chance.

    He would be a positive addition but it crowds our blueline significantly on the left side(not that it isn’t already).  I think pursuing a right handed rearguard by way of trade is a better avenue to take.

     

     

  357. TomNickle says:

    You’re assuming that Pleks would’ve be willing to sign for more than one year at a cheap cost.

     

  358. TomNickle says:

    You’re assuming that Pleks would’ve be willing to sign for more than one year at a cheap cost.

     

  359. ed lopaz says:

    i guess that’s why I;m not a GM. Because I would have signed Plekanec for the same 3 years that Bob gave Big Tits – Plekanec showed the talent (skating speed, vision, etc regardless of points) and the right attitude (by taking the blame himself).

  360. HFX-HabFan says:

    In all honesty, I think our D is fine even if we dump Hamrlik and Markov is out for the first month.  I would also love to see Emelin cross the pond and get a shot. 

    If Emelin doesn’t commit, Paul Mara at least deserves some consideration to be brought back for dirt-cheap as a 7th d-man.  Yes, he struggled on most nights this past season, but he’s a great team guy, loved playing here, has good size and strength, sticks up for his teammates, and according to Andrew, his beard is even more epic in person.

    Markov-O’Byrne, Spacek-Subban, Gill-Gorges, Mara/Emelin/Weber.  Not a bad D core.  I really think we need to spend the bulk of our cap space up front.

  361. andrewberkshire says:

    Do you have a RH rearguard in mind?

  362. andrewberkshire says:

    Paul Mara’s beard is a site to behold.

  363. ed lopaz says:

    tom – if you are offered 3 years at about 3 million coming off of 39 point season, or 1 year at 2.75, wouldn’t you sign the 3 year deal? I would.

  364. HFX-HabFan says:

    I believe it!

  365. andrewberkshire says:

    Would you have, Ed? It’s easy to say that now with the benefit of hindsight, but I have trouble believing that since about 98% of the people on this site were enraged last season when Plekanec was resigned at all, and after given a raise the rage increased even more. 

  366. Bryan says:

    Absolutely.  I don’t think Dale Tallon would though.

    _______________________________

    The Habs are making me Bi-Polar.

  367. HFX-HabFan says:

    Sure.  But I’d still like them to give us back our 2011 second rounder.

  368. Puck Bard says:

    A solid RW who can score? Yes.

  369. crabvader says:

    The K’s and the 2nd, sure. Not the first.

    I like Horton but he’s not this bombshell player. I don’t think he’ll be amazing wherever he goes. He’ll be a good piece to any team’s puzzle that needs a little size up front, but he isn’t that much of a commodity.

    He’s receiving too much hype.

    Don’t get me wrong, I would love to have him, but the chances of him putting up the same numbers as AK46 are pretty high. Both he and AK look like they need a change of scenery though.

  370. puck face says:

    hell yes. is Horton cap freindly? can we have Byfuglien instead?

  371. likehoy says:

    in a heartbeat.

  372. HabFanSince72 says:

    As I said …

     

     

    As far as I know no NHL team has a GM who
    recently emerged from a long
    coma, and no one who was conscious during the recent playoffs will trade
    for either Kostitsyn.

    Why would anyone want either tit brother, let alone both, plus a late round draft pick.

  373. andrewberkshire says:

    Both Kostitsyns and the Habs 1st round pick in 2010 for Horton, do you do it?

  374. crabvader says:

    Tony242 = Timo.

  375. HFX-HabFan says:

    I don’t quite think so.  Tony showed up during the playoffs, before Timo was booted by Boone.  Timo never had the conspiracy theories going either, and actually showed some form of elation when we won.

  376. crabvader says:

    I guess it’s just a coincidence then that his Youtube username uses the same Ali G avatar that Timo had.

  377. Puck Bard says:

    Unfair to Timo.

    FMI: why was he banned? I missed all that… Anybody?

  378. crabvader says:

    Read my reply below.

    It’s not a knock on Timo. I just think they are the same person.

  379. lavie says:

    Is TIMO banned here? Seriously?

  380. Puck Bard says:

    Ahhh!! Got it now.

    Don’t think they’re the same. It’s pretty hard to mask your personality in print: the two strike me as quite different.

  381. Rugger says:

    I almost never agreed with Timo, but he always had a sense of humor and never beat a dead horse so savagely as Tony242 is doing.

  382. smiler2729 says:

    Is there really a late first rounder worth having this year?

  383. TripleX says:

    An estimated 500,000 turn out for Laker’s parade in LA.  I guess basketball is not that loved after all.  MEH

     

     

    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  384. homerbowen says:

    We have too many small players on our roster. While it may be difficult let’s move Gomez and the K bros as a package to someone.

  385. TripleX says:

    I would like to know myself.  I always found Timo more funny than insulting.  I miss the lug.

     

    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  386. The Big O says:

    Since we’re talking draft.. here’s a nice little tidbit of info. Had the WHA, not been allowed to draft 16 and 17 year olds, guess what Wayne Gretzky’s draft year would have been….yup 1980!  Just imagine if he had been available instead of Wickenheiser or Savard. 

    Speaking of which, you have two players, a 6.1, 196 lb center from the WHL who scored 89 goals and had 81 assists for a 170 pts, or a 5.9, 170lb center from the Q who had 63 goals and 118 assists for 181 pts?  Well the Habs did what Boone always wants, a big center who can score from the WHL, that was Wickenheiser vs. Savard…..

  387. HFX-HabFan says:

    For everyone (Tony) crapping on Gainey’s draft record, consider one of Gainey’s first drafts as GM in Dallas, 1995:  The Stars picked 11th that year and took a kid who was projected to go late first round/early second round- Jarome Iginla.  Montreal picked eighth and took the immortal Terry Ryan (ugh). 

    The following season, as Iginla’s stock was rising, Gainey dealt him to Calgary in the trade that brought Joe Nieuwendyk to the Big D.  A few seasons later, the Stars won the Cup, and Nieuwendyk’s clutch play landed him the Conn Smythe.

  388. andrewberkshire says:

    LA is too vapid to have interest in anything other than trends.

  389. likehoy says:

    is that foreshadowing mcdonagh (12th overall) for gomez?

  390. Puck Bard says:

    Exactly.

  391. mike g says:

    Going to LA in August!!!!

    Gonna catch a Dodgers game, hopefully I have some fun. Just really looking forward to see how they live down there….

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  392. pic1983 says:

    Was just reading a blog on another site where the author asked what to do about Markov.  So, my question to HIO readers, for a little break from draft busts and goaltending controversies:

    What do you do with Andre Markov?  Do you try to re-sign him, and if so, what is the most you’re willing to pay? OR Do you trade him? and if so, do you trade him now or at the deadline, and what do you expect in return?

     

    Personally, I try to extend him before the start of the season.  Seeing as he is currently under 35, I would try to sign him to a multi-year, front loaded contract to help keep his cap hit either where it is currently, or lower.  If the gap seems to large, or he wants to wait to negotiate, id begin shopping him immediately. 

    If I decided to trade him, I would want a top-6 forward, a solid prospect, and a 1st round pick at minimum.   

  393. homerbowen says:

    What they didn’t realize that while Wick could score he was a big pussy. We need Lucic type players to go to the net not little smurfs that get bounced around and knocked off the puck with the way the game is played today.

  394. HardHabits says:

    While we’re at it, dregging up the past, let’s hire that Scotty Bowman guy as GM. I here he can coach pretty good too.

  395. GuyDoon says:

    If that means the Habs win the Cup next year, Gomez wins the Conn Smyth, and McDonaugh goes on to an illustrious career with the Rangers, then I’d say we can all live with that.

  396. Bill J says:

    According to vestiaire.ca

    Habs are still actively trying to move up in the draft to try & get (Hockey News ranked #9) Nick Bjugstad.

    a 6’5″ Centerman

    Out of….. drum rolllllll

    Yup Minnesota!

  397. SmartDog says:

    I agree 100% with your strategy.

    This is what concerns me about Plekanec – and now about Price.  Both players agents are now in the drivers seat.  If they wanted these guys to stay they shoudl be signed by now.  And if not, they shoudl be gone.  My guess/fear is that Markov will be the same.  It’s fiddling while Rome burns.  F-n frustrating.  Anyway, I hope they follow the plan you outlined. 

     

    ————————————————————-
    Not signing or trading Pleks = yet another missed opportunity.

  398. punkster says:

    Join the movement. Repression must be overcome.

    FREE TIMO!

  399. TripleX says:

    October 13, Montreal Canadiens home opener against the Tampa Lightning and Boucher!!!!!

     

     

    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  400. SmartDog says:

    Sounds good!

    How about…. Hamrlik, our 1st pick and a bag of chips.  Or a kostitsyn – take your pick. 

    Want fries with that?

    ————————————————————-
    Not signing or trading Pleks = yet another missed opportunity.

  401. TorontoHabsFan says:

    If A Kostitsyn puts in 25-30 this year I guarantee you that there will be at least 5 posters here ripping Gauthier to shreds for not locking him in long-term this summer.

  402. SeriousFan09 says:

    When was the last time a rumour about  Habs intentions was correct really?

    CIA wishes they could keep things secret like the Gainey/Gauthier administration has.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  403. SmartDog says:

    You are absolutely right.

    And if we gave up on Pleks the year before and he went elsewhere and had the year he had, same thing.  But it seems likely that S Kost isn’t going to play well under Martin… they guy lives in the doghouse here so I can’t see him staying.  Brother Andrei maybe. 

    ————————————————————-
    Not signing or trading Pleks = yet another missed opportunity.

  404. K-hab25 says:

    You know, I wish I didn’t dislike you so much, because you are one funny SOB!!!

  405. Storm Man says:

    Don’t be running around Compton with your Dodger blue on ;)

  406. TripleX says:

    Say hi to Alyssa Milano and a huge raspberry for Manny.  LOL

     

    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  407. Exit716 says:

    Do you mean goals or points? Since signing his cash for life lottery contract, Kostitsyn has seen his production plummet. 53 points in a contract year to 41 points to 33 points. So I think 25 to 30 points is a good prediction for his productivity this season.

     

  408. HardHabits says:

    Timo was banned because Boone couldn’t stand listening to his carefully worded and well thought phrases like:

    Note to all the dads… never ever pull a
    daddy duty on the night of game 7. It’s not fun for you, it’s not
    healthy for your kid, you end up pausing the game a lot. And then
    because kid had a couple of heart attacked as you yelled at the TV, you
    can’t put them to bed at their usual time. 

    ANyway, this is
    un-freaking-real!!! The ride is awesome. I am so enjoying it. Habs have
    played a virtually perfect road game. I hope Calgary boys at the Schanks
    tonight had as good experience as during the Caps game 7.

    This,
    combined with Boston blowing it big time just makes it one of the
    sweetest nights ever. 

    GO HABS GO!!! GO HABS GO!!! GO MAB GO!!!

    http://habsinsideout.com/main/34747

    Yep. Timo is mr. Negativity himself.

  409. SmartDog says:

    How does that ‘cash for life’ work?  the Habs gave him cash and it took all the life out of him?

    ————————————————————-
    Not signing or trading Pleks = yet another missed opportunity.

  410. HardHabits says:

    When’s the game against St. Louis? I’d laugh if it’s at the Bell Centre.

    I can see it now Blues 7 – Habs 1

    Everybody applauding every save Jaro makes, the crowd hollering, “Carbo, Carbo”, JM reaching for the notepad in his left breast pocket and letting out a big sigh after the 7 th goal is scored against (of course while the Habs are on the PP).

    Yep. Gonna be sweet.

  411. HardHabits says:

    They should sit the Habs management on an electric bench and everytime a goalie in the 1st round comes up or a player from Minnesota they should be given a nice old electric jolt as they’re about to select.

  412. mike g says:

    Dear Ray Shero,

                             I was recently down in Pittsburgh and attended some of your most recent games. As I was watching your team play, I couldn’t help but notice a glaring weakness in your lineup. At center, you are loaded with so much youthful skill that Chinese factories would be jelous of you. At the wing position, it’s a totally different story. The wingers you had last year don’t seem to play all that well with you centermen. Chris Kunitz seemed like the only decent fit. Apart from that, guys like Guerin, Ponikarovski, and Fedotenko will all walk on July 1st.

    So, because I’m a genuine and caring person, I’d like to help you out. I can propose a decent trade including wingers, in exchange for your 3rd best centerman; Jordan Staal. That’s right Mr. Shero, I’m not gonna go after your best guys, because that would make your club weaker. I’m a nice guy, and I don’t wanna rip you off or see your team get weaker. So, I’ll go for your 3rd best centerman out of 4. In exchange, I will offer you Andrei Kostitsyn, who playing with Crosby or Malkin will score you 30 goals, and his younger brother Sergei, who playing with Crosby or Malkin will get 60 points. In addition to that, once again because I’m a nice guy trying to help you, I’ll even throw in a 2011 1st round pick. That’s right, 2 capable and responsable wingers AND a 1st round pick, for your 3rd line centerman.

    All in all, I think this is a great deal for you. It gives you an opportunity to solidify your top 2 lines, and take some pressure off your 2 superstars. The 1st round pick can be used to draft an NHL ready player next year. In losing your 3rd line centerman, you can always sign Dominic Moore who played for me last year. He’s a very hard worker with some offensive talent, who will cost you 25% of Jordan Staal’s current salary. So once again; that’s 2 capable wingers, a 2011 1st round pick, and always important savings on your cap, in exchange for a 3rd line centerman.

    If you are interested in this beneficial deal, please feel free to BBM me 24/7. I’m here to help you out buddy, because that’s just how I am….

                                                                   From your buddy,

                                                                                               Pierre Gauthier

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  413. Bryan says:

    I wish the Kostityn’s stock was a little higher, because I’d love to make that trade.

    _______________________________

    The Habs are making me Bi-Polar.

  414. HardHabits says:

    I could care less. He’s a no-dimensional player. He should be bought out and the savings used to sign Plex or another centre. If the Habs trade Halak and keep Kostitsyn then it’s a sign that the Habs are uninterested in winning Stanley Cups.

    What do the Habs do after this play-off run? 1st thing they do is raise ticket prices. 2nd thing they do is trade their MVP and fan favourite.

  415. kempie says:

    I watched game 7 of the WAS series with Timo. Very nice guy. I’d be extremely surprised if they were the same guy. I think after game 5 of the flyers series Boone deleted his account in a moment of, well whatever we were all feeling at the time, but allowed him back with a short leash. But I don’t think Tony is Timo.

  416. TripleX says:

     

    For the sake of Price I hope it is in St. Louis because it could get ugly in Montreal.

     

    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  417. SeriousFan09 says:

    Jordan Staal has the playmaking instinct of Guimauve and the goal-scoring ability of Chris Higgins when he’s not in party-boy mode. He is a superb checking line centre whose only flirtation close to 30 goals was next to Malkin, while Higgins went to 27 next to Saku Koivu.

    I’d rather deal the Kostitsyns for prospects that can be scoring wingers or picks we can draft for scoring wingers, not a checking line player who got a Selke nomination because someone in the Eastern Conference had to get a nomination for some kind of parity. We have plenty of PK/Checking forwards already or coming up through the system.

     

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  418. twilighthours says:

    You’re going to get a player, prospect, and pick for a 35 year old soon-to-be UFA coming off ACL reconstruction? 

    This is laughable.

  419. sidhu says:

    Big Buff is available — he’s exactly what we need, a big body who goes to the front of the net, and is a right shot.

    How about Pacioretty, Fischer, and Weber for Big Buff and Ladd??

    USA TODAY’s Kevin Allen reported via Twitter
    today Chicago Blackhawks forward Dustin Byfuglien is “definitely in
    play” as the Blackhawks attempt to sort out their salary cap situation.

     

  420. Storm Man says:

    Markov is 31 btw….. Please try again later.

  421. twilighthours says:

    That’s bologne, HH.  Now post one of the 1,000,000,000 ultra-negative and not-well-thought-out Timo posts.

  422. nightmare_49 says:

        from DGB

        Signs your not getting drafted this weekend.

        http://www.downgoesbrown.com/2010/06/signs-youre-not-getting-drafted-this.html

       •Scouting reports describe you as “Alexei Kovalev without the commitment to winning”.

       •You’re so awful that the Habs are currently trying to figure out how to trade their best player for you.

        •Scouts unanimously agree that you’re at your best in the faceoff circle, which is odd because you’re a goalie.

  423. mike g says:

    If were able to dump the K bro’s for Jordan, I jump all over it…

    I’m not his biggest fan, but he’s a big centerman /wins alot of faceoffs/not too expensive/genereates alot of offense because he’s strong on the puck/ big centerman/ big centerman

    Can’t say that about any of the bro’s, apart from not too expensive. That’s not a great compliment, because you can attach “not too expenvie” to a bum you sign to an entry level deal, straight off the street.

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  424. twilighthours says:

    Come on, Sidhu.  The Hawks are going to just give us Byfuglien and Ladd?  Fischer is worthless, Weber *may* be useful someday, and Pax is looking more and more like a 10-15 goal guy on the 3rd line.  Ladd had 17! 

    We can all dream, but some of these trade proposals are getting out of hand.

  425. twilighthours says:

    Yeah that was a typo, but what else has changed in that scenario? 

     

    This pipe dream will never come close to happening.

  426. SeriousFan09 says:

    Jordan Staal’s career faceoff % is below 50%, this year was his best at 48%, that’s not really winning a lot of faceoffs btw. He is big, but he doesn’t use his size nearly as much as other guys in that range and is not a solid crash-and-bang player from what I’ve seen. I’ve never seen him control the puck that well to argue he’s strong on it either. His generating offence has had him score 10 PPG career so far when he’s been on 2nd-wave PP since he got to PIT and had 1 of his goals this year be a game-winner. Factor in his weak assist totals, I fail to see how he creates a lot and when he faces 3rd-pair defence, 3rd/4th forwards all the time that’s very unimpressive.

    If we dumped the Ks for Staal to send him somewhere else for a scoring winger in a 3-way trade I’d be okay with that, but retaining him is too expensive for the 3rd and he simply does not have the offensive talent to make him a 2nd line centre.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  427. mike g says:

    If we don’t sign Pleks, I think Jordan would be a great fit to play with Cammy on our 2nd line…..

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  428. habs001 says:

    nhl should have faceoff stats showing how a player does in his zone,other teams zone…gomez and plecks lose a lot of draws in our zone..

  429. ManApart says:

    What does that have to do with the Habs? Funny how you have to go back 15 years to another organization to try to counter the terrible Gainey draft record. kind of says it all.

  430. Storm Man says:

    As Hab fans we always need a dream. But for some on here they need to layoff the pipe.

  431. HabFanSince72 says:

    DGB is only intermittently funny.

     

  432. ManApart says:

    LOL, good one.

  433. HabFanSince72 says:

    We got Lars Eller for Halak.

    Why does anyone think we can get more for the Bros?

     

  434. nightmare_49 says:

       Mucking and Grinding / USA Today / Kevin Allen

        More NHL trades expected before draft weekend

       Tidbits to ponder as you prepare for NHL draft week: … http://www.usatoday.com/community/profile.htm?plckPersonaPage=PersonaBlog&plckUserId=7f199720956b03f0&UID=7f199720956b03f0

  435. SeriousFan09 says:

    84A in 327 career games, that doesn’t scream ‘playmaking centre’ to me. Cammalleri works best with a set-up man, Eric Staal could be that guy, Jordan not so much.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  436. HardHabits says:

    Look dude. Carter any day. Stop painitng him as useless. Any friggin day for Carter. Price for Carter. Ellar and Schultz for Carter. Gomez and the 2 Kotstitsyns for Carter. Carter Yes YES YES!!!!

    I’d rather have Carter than Plex. Carter. Carter. Carter. Carter. Carter.!!!

     

    EDIT: JStaal TOO!!!

  437. SeriousFan09 says:

    Scoring forwards are not exactly free-flowing this year in the free agent market, goalies are so while Halak’s value is down, the concept of paying a scoring forward 2 million over his actual worth rather than try and rehabiliate a couple of guys that are down like the Kostitsyns isn’t an impossible thing to consider across the NHL.

     

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  438. HardHabits says:

    Dude. I’d tale JStaal anyday of the week. Any friggin day.

  439. SeriousFan09 says:

    If you think Jordan Staal will ever post 45 assists or more a season in the NHL,
    give me a hit of whatever you’re taking, it’s gotta be awesome.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  440. SeriousFan09 says:

    We played them at home this last season, so we’ll be in St. Louis for 10-11 I understand, we alternate with our Western Conference opponents each year.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  441. nightmare_49 says:

       The first thing i thought of when i seen this thread on the draft was SK24 and his redundent posts   ……………………….  in the entry draft in 2003 if we had only drafted a big center instead of AK46………….  but to my surprise i didn’t notice any. Bravo.

  442. HardHabits says:

    You should try using, “I think” or “IMO” or something like that because you come across as a know-it-all when in reality you’re a 16 year old teenager. Oh right. Nevermind. You do know it all.

  443. twilighthours says:

    Hidden from Boone’s list is the Tanguay trade that lost the Habs their 1st in 2008 and 2nd in 2009.  Time will tell on this trade, but I suspect that there will be a player or two that the Habs could have had that would have been a heck of a lot more valuable than Alex Tanguay and his soft disappearing act.

  444. HardHabits says:

    I bet management knew that already.

    PG to BG: “We’ll trade Jaro to the Blues, next season’s game’s in St. Louis. We wont have to face our fans for that game. Phew.”

  445. twilighthours says:

    Hear hear.  He gets killed on HIO, but Jordan Staal is a heck of a player.

  446. Chris says:

    Typing “I think” or “IMO” in here is absolutely redundant.  Pretty much everything written in these posts is an “IMO” or “I think”, so it would be far more efficient to just cite the very few cases where somebody DOES actually know what they are talking about.

  447. SeriousFan09 says:

    Staal: Can’t be a playmaker, needed Malkin to get close to 30 goals, Gomez scored the same amount of PPGs this year as Staal has had in his last 3 years. Has never done better than 48% in the faceoff circle, is not a very physical center and oh yeah, when Chris Higgins was scoring his 20G seasons, he had a better shooting % than Staal did.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  448. ManApart says:

    K-Bros are a lost cause in Montreal. It’s over for them.

  449. mike g says:

    While I respect your POV, I have to dissagree…

    Staal has been playing a 3rd line role, with 3rd line wingers. I know he played 1 year with Malkin, but that’s pretty much it. Play him with Cammy, give him decent PP minutes and a more offensive role and he will get a decent amount of assists.

    Poeple tend to forget he’s stuck behind 2 of the top 3 players in the world. When you play 14 minutes per game, your stats will suffer. If he plays 20-22 minutes, he can produce much more…

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  450. Bill J says:

    Further to this – which may add credence to the rumor

    the guy was yup you guessed it

    the Winner of the MR HOCKEY Award!!!!

    lol

  451. twilighthours says:

    Chris, some people just come off like arrogant a$$es on this site.  It’s their phrasing, or their willingness to offer an unsolicited opinion, or even their avatar.  Personally, I don’t find Serious that bad, but I can completely relate to HH.

  452. TripleX says:

    Not everyone thankfully, shares your opinion that the two brothers are talentless, heartless, cretins,only fit for duty in some forgotten Stalinist Gulag.

    Anyone with some semblance of objectivity will see two players with skills and upside, due to their ages.  Question their mental toughness and desire, but to question the raw talent is silly.

     

     

    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  453. MathMan says:

    Second-guessing drafts with the benefit of hindsight… it’s always such a pointless and meaningless exercise.

    The only scout that can’t be made to look stupid with it is the one that regularly has first- and second- overall pick, and even they whiff on occasion.

  454. SeriousFan09 says:

    Sorry, I’ll remember to add one those two things in because otherwise, I might be mistaken as a senior advisor to an NHL club who’s spending his free time on a Habs blog. Everything we post here that doesn’t have a link to a credited news source is going to be an opinion or speculation about something and even when the links are added, they’re sources we’re using to directly back our arguments. The only absolute fact that can be proven on anyone’s post is when they link the NHL salary cap or the Canadiens salary chart.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  455. MathMan says:

    Pyatt is a bottom-sixer like there’s a ton out there. It might actually be a bit of overpayment. But some of them develop reputations and end up monetizing that to an extent. Good on Phoenix not to go too much by his rep.

  456. SeriousFan09 says:

    Well everyone knows that, now the issue is what they can be traded for.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  457. HardHabits says:

    Just showing that Timo isn’t ALL negativity. And that Boone’s banning him was infinitesimally more infantile than anything Timo ever wrote.

  458. G-Man says:

    Don’t panic, SD, the morons…er….management knows what it’s doing.

    _________________________

    Carey Price in the Playoffs

  459. SeriousFan09 says:

    He already gets 2nd-wave PP in PIT to little effect, scored one PPG last year, one! He’s had 5 in his last 3 years I’m sorry but that is just lousy, Gomez had 5 this year and he’s got no goal scoring touch at all. He doesn’t have the passing ability or the hockey sense to set up the plays IMO (added for HH because he’s a stickler for that now it seems) that would make him a notable playmaker.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  460. HardHabits says:

    Only I can get away with “IMHHO”. But seriously. I generally invoke the “it’s my POV” often enough. SF09 makes great points but too often comes across as Google himself.

  461. SeriousFan09 says:

    John Carlson from 2008, selected by the Capitals at #27th overall, would’ve seriously improved our prospects on defence with another World Junior hero.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  462. HardHabits says:

    No that bad but….you do agree then!!! ;-)

  463. TripleX says:

    Dale Tallon’s blog on the upcoming draft and Horton.

     

    http://panthers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=532191

     

    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  464. Chris says:

    No question…I am aware that I frequently come across as arrogant myself.  I’ve just always found it strange when people feel that they need to point out that somebody’s comment is “only their opinion”.  We’re all in the business of expressing opinions here…maybe people need to remember that more often to help everybody relax a little.  :)

  465. HardHabits says:

    Gotta disagree with you on this one TX. They’re both lost and should be tossed.

  466. mike g says:

    Incase you don’t watch Pens games…..

    Crosby, Malkin, Gonchar and Goligoski/Letang stay on for the whole 2 minutes. Rarely they’ll change on a PP, and it’s usually with less than 30 seconds left on it and the opposition just dumped the puck in the Pens zone…

    And their PP was horrible all year. Don’t pick on a 2nd PP guy who plays 30 seconds, on one of the worst PP’s in the league last year. When he actually got some time on it, his point men were guys like Eaton, Leopold (for 20 games), and McKee…….nothing close to “offensively gifted”. His wingers on the 2nd PP were Dupuis, Kunitz, and/or Ponikarovski…not exactly offensive guys.

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  467. HardHabits says:

    I only state fact and all my posts are omniscient and inerrant truths unless otherwise indicated.

    You relax, I’m on my 5th coffee already. :p

  468. PrimeTime says:

    Who made you the Queen of Etiquette or have you made yourself Habs I/O Ombudsman?? This is an open forum for all to express their opinions as they please within the context of “The Rules”

     

     

    “People build teams in certain ways. I’ve always traded for futures – not pasts.” – Sam Pollock.

    The reason we are Hab fans http://www.habsworld.net/article.php?id=1476

  469. TripleX says:

    I think AK is worth a shot for one more season.  SK is definitely run out of time in Montreal.  But it was more a response to the thinking that they are not worth anything in a trade.  As part of a package the two brothers should bring something back of value.

     

    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  470. HardHabits says:

    Hey Pot. My name isn’t Black, it’s Kettle.

  471. SeriousFan09 says:

    Still, what about the 2 years before where he got 2 and 3 goals on the PP? Glen Metropolit had 10 this year, that matches Staal for career and Staal sometimes gets shifted up with Crosby and Malkin to make up for the fact that again, not one of those wingers is worth a damn most of the time in PIT.

    Their PP was crap, but Staal at the same time did nothing to elevate it, I have never seen anything from him that reads like he’s going to be a strong 2nd-line centre, he tries, oh he tries and I applaud it but but where the spirit is willing, the talent isn’t there.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  472. PrimeTime says:

    You disagree??

     

    “People build teams in certain ways. I’ve always traded for futures – not pasts.” – Sam Pollock The reason we are Hab fans http://www.habsworld.net/article.php?id=1476

  473. HabFanSince72 says:

    Do you think the Bros together are worth more than Halak?

     

  474. G-Man says:

    I think that, because they are brothers, we will get 2 lumps of coal for them and consider ourselves fortunate. I mean, if Goatier can pull off that blockbuster, I’d hate to see what he does with a package deal.

    ____________________________

     

    Carey Price in the Playoffs

  475. PeterStone says:

    I agree with you .. just because they didnt pan out here, doesnt mean they wont pan out .. we would likely get some other teams “projects” … apparently they arent overly impressed with NHortons work ethic in Florida, but I think I read a few comments from fans who would take him here.  Same thing with Spezza … hated in ottawa, but, I would make him my # 1 C here.

  476. pic1983 says:

    For a franchise defensemen? a True number one defensemen?

    The deals that people were expecting for halak and price were laughable.  Did you see what anaheim got for chris pronger? Im not even asking anywhere near that for markov, and you think its laughable? And markov isnt even close to 35.  If you’re going to come out and pretend you know anything about hockey, at least have your facts straight.

    Washington would give us brook laich, karl alzner, and a 1st round pick in a heartbeat for andrei markov.

    I know habs fans overvalue our players all the time, but markov is literally the only player on our team whos actually a bonafide superstar. 

  477. andrewberkshire says:

    Pronger at 35 got two 1st round picks, a player drafted in the first round the year before and a top 6 forward. As well as a conditional first round pick if the Flyers made the finals.

  478. HardHabits says:

    Blast from the past part 1:

    There’s so many things Halak about you,
    I just don’t know where to
    begin,

    Halak the way you track the puck with your eyes,
    Halak
    the way you dont act surprised,
    Halak the way you hold your ground,
    Halak
    the way you give up rebounds,
    Halak the way you thrill the fans,
    Halak
    the way you give your team a chance,
    Halak the way you grab the puck
    from the air,
    Halak the way you never seem to despair,
    Halak the
    way you stop the puck,
    Halak the way you rarely suck,

    but most
    of all….
    yeah..
    most of all….

    Halak the way you
    move…..

  479. HardHabits says:

    Blast from the past part deux:

    Every time I look at you I don’t understand
    Why’d you let the puck in
    off the glove of your left hand?
    You’d have managed better if you’d
    tried to stand
    instead you backed up in your net and got booed by the
    fans
    If you’d won the game you would have pleased the Habs nation
    Gainey
    in year 6 his plan needs more education
    Don’t you get me wrong – I
    only wanna know

    Carey Price, Carey Price
    Who are you? Why are
    you on the ice?
    Carey Price Superstar
    Do you think you’re what
    they say you are?

    Tell me what you think about your pick near the
    top
    Who’d of thought besides Gainey that you’re the pick of the crop
    Kopitar
    was he where it’s at? Is he where you are?
    Could Pouliot score 50
    goals or was that just bad PR?
    Did you mean to flop like that? Was
    that a mistake or
    Did you know your messy head would be a
    heart-breaker?
    Don’t you get me wrong – I only wanna know

    Carey
    Price, Carey Price
    Who are you? Why are you on the ice?
    Carey
    Price Superstar
    Do you think you’re what they say you are?

  480. twilighthours says:

    Pronger has won two olympic gold medals, a norris trophy, and a hart trophy.  He has led his team to 3 stanley cup finals, winning one.  And he wasn’t coming off an ACL injury when Phil made that trade. 

    I don’t love the guy but he is worth far, far more than Markov.  Not a comparable trade.  Andrew, I value your opinion – what do you think Markov is worth if traded once he returns?

  481. twilighthours says:

    What are you, 12 years old?  Read my post below about “typo.”  And I don’t need to try to prove anything to you, especially not when you’re proposing foolish trades.

  482. Caper says:

    Ok-since lemaire is your all time fav, you must be retired. If not you have too much damn time on your hand.

  483. Caper says:

    Edmonton needs some players. As much as Ak drives me nuts, I still believe the right coach can get him going. Hey tampa has a new coach! Draft picks wanted.

  484. TripleX says:

    No, nada, nyet!

     

    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  485. nightmare_49 says:

       from K K Hockey – Minnesota Acquires Sharks fighter Brad Staubitz for 2010 5th-round pick.

       – from Russo’s Rant – Sources: Wild acquires San Jose fighter Brad Staubitz for draft picks; where’s this put Boogaard?

      

  486. HardHabits says:

    I wrote that ages ago. Copy and Paste I can do while working.

  487. TripleX says:

    Taylor Pyatt signed with Phoenix for 800,000 this year and 1.2 next year.  That GM in Phoenix is very impressive.

     

     

    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  488. Slovak says:
     
    Check out the difference between Price and Halak:
     
     
    MOST VALUABLE PLAYER 2009-10

    Rank Name Points
    1   Jaroslav Halak   24032  
    2 Mike Cammalleri 19566
    3 Tomas Plekanec 4556
    4 Brian Gionta 3810
    5 Josh Gorges 2989
    6 Hal Gill 1842
    7 Andrei Markov 1681
    8 P.K. Subban 1473
    9 Maxim Lapierre 738
    10 Scott Gomez 731
    11    Carey Price   670
  489. sam says:

    this is Walsh, right?

    seriously. i hope you’re not inferring that these numbers mean anything other than a snapshot taken during a particular player’s breakout 4-5 month run. because, by that logic, Lapierre’s better than Gomez as well :)

  490. smiler2729 says:

    Dude… it’s me, the “dumbhead” lol, let it go, man, Halak is gone, let… it… go…

  491. TripleX says:

    Actually surprised Cammi made no mention of it on twitter.   Maybe it is considered a no no to publicly comment on management moves.  But a good luck Halak would not seem to be out of order.

     

     

    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  492. SLONCOLD says:

    Out of curiosity did any habs players other than halak comment on the trade? i wonder how the rest fo the team feels towards the move.

  493. ed lopaz says:

    I heard they were planning a team party to celebrate the trade!!

  494. puck face says:

    the general consensus was ” i’m on a jet ski in the caribbean , talk to me in september”

  495. Bozo McBozo says:

    Put simply, the Habs recent draft history pretty much bites. There are no water-cooler arguments to engage in except for maybe less is actually more when it comes to scouting department personnel.

  496. andrewberkshire says:

    Well Florida needs to shed cap space, and another 1st round pick would help with the rebuild. In the Kostitsyns he’s getting two guys who can be top 6 forwards with the right coaching for the Price of Horton alone against the cap. I think it makes sense for both teams.

  497. SLONCOLD says:

    how does it make sense? you’re getting 2 problem cases with attitudes for a well established player… i think tallon learnt from his mistakes in chicagp and won’t be making any more dumb moves

  498. HFX-HabFan says:

    Or maybe he’s desperate to make a splash and put his own personal stamp on his new team.  You never know.

  499. andrewberkshire says:

    I doubt he just won’t make any mistakes. For every Patrick Sharp trade he made there was a Brian Campbell signing. However Horton has been called a problem case in Florida. His attitude has been questioned several times. In bringing in two young guys who can take top 6 roles for cheaper than Horton, you’re also filling a roster spot so that you could trade or buy out cory stillman and save even more cap space as the team rebuilds. If Neither Kostitsyn works out, they can be traded later for lowish picks as they’re both going to be RFAs for a couple more years. And you still get a 1st round pick out of the deal.

  500. HabFanSince72 says:

    The Minsk Magician a top six forward?

    HA HA HA HA HA.

    And it doesn’t help his cap situation.

     

  501. HabFanSince72 says:

    But according to you this trade isn’t even a mistake.

     

  502. HFX-HabFan says:

    If Horton plays 70 games and has a half-decent linemate, he’s easily a 30G, 30A guy.  Far more of a power forward than Kostitsyn too.

  503. crabvader says:

    No one ever labeled AK as a power-forward though.

    AK is a natural goal scorer who just needs to get a fire lit under his ass to be productive. Doesn’t seem like he’ll ever get that around here. He needs to go.

    I don’t know much about Horton “easily” getting 60pts. He doesn’t have this stellar reputation for his work ethic so that still remains to be seen.

    Again, I’d take him over AK because I think the fit and chemistry would be better for us… but I’m not gonna crown this guy as this behemoth on our front end right from the get-go.

  504. likehoy says:

    i find it a stretch to say andrei kostitsyn’s a natural goal scorer. i liken him more to kovalev. kovalev can score goals but do you call him a natural goal scorer? 

    if you look at andrei kostitsyn statistically, he always had more assists than goals leading up to his NHL career, where management messed him up and tried to morph him into a pure-sniper and a power forward. now it’s flipped for goals to assists.

  505. HFX-HabFan says:

    That Terry guy from Peterborough who called people by their numbers instead of their names claimed he was a power forward. 

    Some people think Kostitsyn is one, in the rare instances when he lays someone out.  I disagree- he’s hardly the traditional definition of a power forward.  When I think power forward, I think Neely, Shanahan, Tkachuk, Kevin Stevens etc.  Horton is a lot closer to that type of player than Andrei Kostitsyn will ever be.

  506. G-Man says:

    Man, does that 2005 pick ever suck.

     

    ____________________________

    Carey Price in the Playoffs

  507. Slovak says:

    I don’t like Price as a player but I really don’t have anything against him personally – I just don’t care about him. But I still can not wake up from trading Halak. Everywhere I go, people are shaking their heads, Halak wins every public voting in almost every category… and Blues are celebrating…

    And when I did read the article about Halak down below I just mmmmm I don’t have words, I just don’t have words…

     

  508. Slovak says:

    :) ehm, I thought it was just series of bad dreams and it will be fine when I wake up next day and next day and next day, but next day never came, he is really gone man, damn really gone

    And this whole mess must be Carcillo’s fault damn Carcillo

  509. andrewberkshire says:

    Definite no-no to comment on management decisions.

  510. SLONCOLD says:

    that’s what i was expecting

  511. sam says:

    ok. now list every other team’s first round picks from the past 30 years as well.

  512. Mike Boone says:

    Hey, do your own research!

  513. Slovak says:

    Yeah this is Walsh, these numbers mean nothing and you are Obama

  514. Clay4bc says:

    Dollar for dollar, Laps is way better than Gomez. Just saying…

    __________________________

    “Peoples will only be truly free when the last king is strangled by the bowels of the last priest” Denis Diderot

  515. sam says:

    dollar for dollar, i’m better than Laps, then!

    i’ll still take Gomez over Laps any day of the week. thanks.

  516. pic1983 says:

    Yeah I dont really understand people who make that comment (give the 10% raise and thats it).  Lowballing a player or offering him the bare minimum once you’ve done everything but literally annointed him your number 1, isnt the best way to build a strong relationship. 

  517. Chris says:

    You don’t “leave someone open to an offer sheet”.  They are restricted free agents and therefore free to negotiate with anybody they please.

    The Habs, by offering that 10% raise you mention, get nothing but the right to match any offers that come in and/or compensation in the event that he does accept an offer from another team.

    Price CAN accept that 10% raise, but that would be a pretty sure indication that he’s out of here as soon as he or his agent can find a way to force the Habs’ hand.

  518. Got2BHabs says:

    At least it looks like the Blues are happy to have Halak. He’s on the entrance page to their website. But I supposed any team besides the Montreal Canadiens would have been happy to have Jaro!

  519. dh says:

    I actually think that Price will be a good goalie at some point.  Although I would not have traded Halak to begin with, I just think that PG blew this with trading Halak for nothing.  I didn’t like the way that he implied that he didn’t need to shop him around because all GMs in the league know what each other one wants.  I have to think that most of the NHL expected Price to be traded. 

    On top of that, they didn’t even ask Halak what he wanted and they didn’t sign Price.  Now they’ve traded their #1 goalie for much less than he was probably worth and are left with an RFA that isn’t signed.  Does this make any sense at all? 

  520. SmartDog says:

    I actually think that Price will be a good goalie at some point.

    Agreed. Tentativeness aside, the point is that Halak is a GREAT goalie NOW.

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    Not signing or trading Pleks = yet another missed opportunity.

  521. HabFanSince72 says:

    Everywhere you go people are shaking their heads?

    Halak wins every public voting in almost every category?

    The Golden Globe? The Emmy? CFL rookie of the year? You Think You can Dance Canada?

    You need to get a grip.

  522. Slovak says:

    What to say… I don’t know… I was excited to see Halak with the same bunch of guys but now…?

    There is no sense to me at all – I am not the one who sees hockey as pure business and I don’t think money are above everything – there is always another way if you look for it. HABS did not even look to find one.

    PS: Jaro will break next year, this was just a warmup

  523. Bill J says:

    Well let’s put something into perspective.

    “Everywhere you go people are shaking their heads”

    The guy is called Slovak.  How much you wanna bet his friends are either Slovak’s also OR they sympathize with this guy because they know he is a Slovak and very sad to see Halak go ?

    Worse still, if “everywhere” is in Slovakia… NO DOUBT everyone he is talking too is complaining about the Habs trading Jaro.

    P.S. The Halak talk has dramatically died down, maybe not as much in Montreal.  But to say “everywhere” is quite a stretch now.

  524. Clay4bc says:

    I voted for him for an Oscar – best goalender category.

    But you know what he means, and he is correct. He just is not a native speaker is all, and you should cut him some slack because of that.

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    “Peoples will only be truly free when the last king is strangled by the bowels of the last priest” Denis Diderot

  525. Slovak says:

    Having Price in nets is gamble like no other – buy SONY TV to watch that baby crying again like he did many times before.

  526. Slovak says:

    I did almost forget – Jaro also won that “Get a grip” constest too :)

    Try to look over internet a little bit more than posting on HIO

    to be “objective” - you can exclude Blues sites

  527. dh says:

    Right.  That’s my point.  Halak’s value seems very high right now.  IF you were going to trade him, why was it not possible to get something better.  In PG’s interview, he was asked if he called around and he basically said that he didn’t need to since all NHL GMs (meaning he) already know what each are looking for.

    I think that trading Halak was a mistake.  But I think trading him, supposedly because of his cap hit without even knowing what his cap hit would be is dumb.  And on top of that, not signing Price so that we could conceivably go from having the #4 goalie in the league to no goalie makes no sense at all.

    I know that Price will probably stay but what if he doesn’t like being boo’d or something?

     

  528. Got2BHabs says:

    Price is an appointed number one who hasn’t had a good year since his rookie season and you are too blinded by you love for Price that you can’t see that!

  529. pic1983 says:

    Because unfortunately, people dont understand the business of hockey.  All fans understand is halak carrying the habs to the eastern conference final.  What about tim thomas? Did he deserve a huge pay day after last season? Im sure the bruins would like a mulligan on that one.  What about andrew raycroft? toronto gave up Tuuka Rask to get Raycroft after his breakout rookie season, and we all know how that went.  What about Huets rich deal from chicago after his hot streak with montreal? What about the deal the caps gave theodore?

    Its easy to get caught up with a goalie who was on a hot streak.  The fact of the matter is that Halak couldn’t carry the load forever, and we saw evidence of such when we played philly.  Who knows how he would have played as the annointed starter for 60+ games per season plus playoffs, with all the pressure, in a year where he doesnt have the added motivation of playing for a contract.

  530. pic1983 says:

     ”But I think trading him, supposedly because of his cap hit without even knowing what his cap hit would be is dumb.”

    If halak went to arbitration, it only would have been in august, well after free agency opened.  PG knew very well what halak could command, and what he could potentially be awarded in arbitration.  For a team that has holes to fill, and is tight against the cap, august is an eternity.  What if halak gets awarded $4-$4.5 million by an arbitrator and we just re-signed plekanec for $5million?  If halak got awarded that kind of money, and we had to walk away from the deal, we lose him for nothing!  We couldnt afford that kind of uncertainty, and PG made a move.

    Did i hate the move when i first heard about it? Yes, but only because I dont think we got a big enough return.  Also, I was still on the emotional high of halak carrying us to the eastern conference finals.  However, after sleeping on it, and really thinking about the business aspect, and all the other things surrounding the team right now, it was the right move.

    CErtainly not the popular move, but the right move. 

     

  531. dh says:

    I got the part about the arbitration. Except maybe Halak would have been happy with less than what PG knew very well that he COULD command.

    My problem is with the return on the trade. Espcecially the “I didn’t need to call around because I know what all of the teams need” thing.

  532. G-Man says:

    NO matter how you slice it, a bad trade is just that; a BAD trade.

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    Carey Price in the Playoffs

  533. andrewberkshire says:

    We got a good prospect for Matt D’Agostini. Not every executive in the NHL sees everything the exact way you see it.

  534. likehoy says:

    the value of a player isn’t solely based on their playoffs.

    plus the panthers wouldn’t make the playoffs anyways, why would they be worried about playoff performances?

    AK46 in the regular season was on pace for 20+ goals and 40+ points if he was injury free.

  535. HabFanSince72 says:

    Indeed.

    The Kostitsyns are still worth nothing on the trade market.

     

  536. andrewberkshire says:

    Sergei isn’t worth much, but Andrei is. Just because you don’t like him doesn’t mean many other teams aren’t willing to gamble on a guy who could easily be Alex Semin with a physical presence.

  537. HabFanSince72 says:

    The statement that he could be Alex Semin with a physical presence is absurd. He could also be Gary Kasparov with a ten inch pecker.

    It so happens that he isn’t.

  538. andrewberkshire says:

    In your opinion.

  539. punkster says:

    But back to Andrew’s original question. It’s just a question. Imagine there’s a brain dead GM out there just asking to be fleeced. Would you do it.

    I say yes.

    FREE TIMO!

  540. HabFanSince72 says:

    Two cancers for a legit player? Of course I would do it. Maybe they would like a few Ste Catherine St potholes with that?

    The fact that everyone would jump on this trade confirms my view that is laughably one-sided.

  541. Chorske says:

    I’d pull that trade, Horton is money.

    the pecker thing was kind of funny tho

  542. punkster says:

     Of course I’m not their biggest fan as I have mentioned numerous times so any trade involving these two is laughable to me. However in my view they have to be moved and I’d be willing to take whatever roster player we can get in exchange as long as that player has heart (which the brothers just don’t seem to possess). I was going to add as long as they are mouth breathers but that’s just too limiting. Hell, I’d take a lage carp for the pair of them.

    FREE TIMO!

  543. G-Man says:

    Post of the day.

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    Carey Price in the Playoffs

  544. otter649 says:

    Cassels had an OK NHL career unfortuately it wasn’t with Montreal & Mark Hunter was a 50 goal scorer with St Louis ? but would have done better if he did not have knee problems courtesy of his brother Dale but I think The Blues gave up a first round pick to get Hunter from Montreal……….

     

     

    Whoa Baby – What’s Going On In Pennsylvania…..(Bob Cole)

  545. mrstewart61 says:

    Hunter’s top season was 44 goals with STL.  With the 1st rounder they received they picked Jose Charbonneau.

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    If a man speaks in a forest where no woman can hear him, is he still wrong?

  546. SmartDog says:

    Overall, I give the Habs a C- for drafting.  Actually that’s a
    passing grade so it’s probably too generous.   

    What strikes me reading this article is not as much about players we missed but it’s like a trip down shitfest lane.  Players like Chipchura, Hainsey, Hossa, Komiserik, Higgins who were real busts, and then the supposed good news – steals like Streit and Halak who we had and developed but then let go.   Only Markov and Plekanec stand out as guys we landed (late) who we’ve kept and benefited from and of course Pleks may not be here soon.  When you read this, it’s amazing we make the playoffs at all most years.

    ————————————————————-
    Not signing or trading Pleks = yet another missed opportunity.

  547. pic1983 says:

    You just had to say it eh? But you’re 100% right.  Bad enough we dont draft top quality players, but the late round gems that we do develop into top talent, we let walk.

    Im sure the habs really could have used mark streit this past season. 

     

     

  548. HabsFan90 says:

    2003 might be the worst draft year ever. With the exception of Halak and OB.

  549. andrewberkshire says:

    For what Horton can provide he’s cap friendly. 4 million a year for the next 3 years.

  550. adam76 says:

    sounds like a solid ROI to me.

  551. G-Man says:

    Picking Price over Kopitar in a draft year when the Habs still needed a big center makes this a lousy pick. BTW, I don’t get over stupidity; I have to live with the brain-dead management of this team that believes their best goalie is a bench warmer during the playoffs.

     

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    Carey Price in the Playoffs

  552. G-Man says:

    Brian Hayward went 6W-5L with a 2.71 GAA while Roy went 4W- 2L with a GAA of 4.

    And your point is?

    _____________________________________

    Carey Price in the Playoffs

  553. Chorske says:

    Dude. Even I am starting to get my head around this trade.

    You’re still dug in at the Anger stage. It’s kind of time to move on.

  554. andrewberkshire says:

    One note poster.

  555. puck face says:

    geez dude , get over it. two days ago you came off as pouting princess that didn’t get her way , now it’s just sad.

  556. RockinRey says:

    Hey troll – It is a general plan on the approach to take- You do what you can to sign ” a Robinson” meaning if an alumni of that stature is available you bring him back for goodwill and for his hockey knowledge alone. In other words they should have done that .

    And I was saying they should have kept Boucher!

     

  557. Habsrule1 says:

    I’m not that sure of all the players drafted by the Habs, but I do believe they’ve done ok. That’s not to say they haven’t made mistakes, but so has every other team in the league. the Habs have not had all that many top 10 picks in the last 10 years, have they? It gets a lot more difficult after 10. I daresay with 2-3 more top 10 picks in the last 10 years, this team would be much better, but hell, they did get to the Final 4….not too shabby. I still believe with the right moves, they can win a Cup WITHOUT tanking, and I just love the thought of that! In my view, they are 2-3 players away from an even deeper playoff run.

    Go Habs Go!! “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  558. longtimehabsfan says:

    Although the Habs had many 1st round busts in the 80s their overall drafting was pretty sound.  Roy, Richer, McPhee, Chelios, Lalor, Odelein, LeBeau, Schneider, Gilchrist, Lemieux, Skrudland, Keane, etc were all post 1st round picks.  Habs also were better at developing talent those days.

  559. Clay4bc says:

    I would take any and all of those players on this team right now.

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    “Peoples will only be truly free when the last king is strangled by the bowels of the last priest” Denis Diderot

  560. longtimehabsfan says:

    BTW, Flyers picked up Hamhuis for Parent over the weekend in case nobody noticed.  Already they’re improving on this year’s run.

  561. TorontoHabsFan says:

    Well to be fair, signing Hamhuis will likely mean they’ll have to get rid of a couple key players in order to also afford a goalie…Coburn, Carle, Carter and Gagne being likely suspects.

  562. Chris says:

    Flyers picked up Hamhuis’ rights…he’s an unrestricted free agent on July 1, so they still have to sign him.

    If he is signed, the rumours are basically that he’s a direct replacement for Braydon Coburn, who they like but feel is too inconsistent for the type of money he’s going to want.  Wtih Carter and Coburn both likely available, the Flyers have the assets to secure a pretty hefty return in way of prospects and picks.

    The Flyers have $11 million with which to sign Hamhuis, Asham, Powe, two third-pairing defencemen and a #1 goalie.  It will be tight, but certainly doable.  Trading Carter makes their cap situation perfectly okay.

  563. longtimehabsfan says:

    I know they’re up against the cap as we are.  But I would rather be in their shoes than our’s.

  564. TorontoHabsFan says:

    m’eh – any Laviolette-coached team is always *this* far away from flaming out Paul Maurice-style :)

  565. TomNickle says:

    I find it funny that Eric Fehr was included in the 2003 list of missed opportunities.

    He’s not even close to the class of the rest of the field.

  566. dufour says:

    Little off topic… but is anyone playing in Play On this weekend in St. Johns

    “How would you like a job where when you made a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?” Jacques Plante

  567. Storm Man says:

    You will have alot of fun. The one in Calgary was great :)

  568. krob1000 says:

    Today’s game is diferent than the game of the 70, and 80′s and even early 90′s and I think that has played a role in the draft…along with the fact that coaches turn over so often that players who are drafte may not be cut out for the system they eventually end up playing…..the Kostitsyns for example were a perfect fit for our run and gun teams of 2 and 3 sesons ago…under Martin…they become dead weight and a guy like Tom Pyatt who would have been useless to us then becomes a mainstay?  There are several other factors at work…also timing in the organization…depth at that postiion, long contracts already locking positions up, etc.  We have seen many of our picks and prospects move onto other organizations and excel…..I am sure this phenomenon is not exclusive to us but it s something that is not oft discussed when the drafting topic arises and I always wonder why noone considers it. 

    They should almost draft systems and coaches in advance …which is sort of what I thought they were doing with the whole Boucher thing.  The problem is that when a young guy earns a spot over a vet….dio they stick with the vet? play the other guy in a lesser role? trade him? make the old guy exemndable because of a long term commitment? Guess in the coaching detp we just let our “prospect” walk…..oh well…the sun will come up tomorrow but our team looked like it was being built for the future …a change in atttitude to hard work under Martin and then I thought it would be handed of once the hard wrok culture was firm in place to a better “people person” in Boucher to change with the times and squeez what he could out of the players….

  569. HardHabits says:

    I have my theory about Boucher. He was let go because his 1-3-1 system doesn’t jive with Martin’s 0-2-3 forecheck. Boucher teaches an aggressive game whereas Martin’s game is passive.The Habs brass had to let go of Boucher because he was making Martin look worse than he really is if you can imagine that. Boucher also got a glimpse of the damage that Martin did to PK and decided he didn’t want to be constrained by Bob Gainey’s desire to skate a team of defensive forwards whose main objective was to stop the other team from scoring in the hopes that maybe a dirty goal or two could be bought somewhere along the way. Boucher teaches players to go get the puck. Martin teaches players to be patient and wait for the rebound off the goalie to get the puck.

    Watch next season as PK has one of the worse +/- in the league. Watch as the Habs get outshot 2-1. Watch as Halak leads the Blues to the playoffs. Watch as TB turns it around in a big way playing an exciting brand of hockey. Watch as the Habs bet the farm to get from 12th in Conference to only end up 9th and miss the playoffs altogether rather than sell parts and enter the draft lottery to rebuild.

  570. Chris says:

    Couldn’t agree more.  The biggest issue with the Montreal Canadiens is that they can’t settle on what style of play they want to employ.  It takes drafted players 2-5 years to make an impact.  Look at Montreal’s history since the Patrick Roy trade…

    The Habs in the mid-late 1990′s were a pretty offensive team, peaking at 5th in the NHL in goals scored in 1997-98.  Following an injury ravaged season that cut short the seasons of Koivu and Rucinsky as well as seeing two of the team’s top 3 scorers (Recchi and Damphousse) dealt away, the Habs plummeted to near the bottom of the league in offence.

    By the late 1990′s and early 2000′s the Habs were a terrible team that stressed goaltending and team defence, peaking in Jose Theodore’s Vezina/Hart Trophy winning season in 2001-02.  These Alain Vigneault/Michel Therrien teams lacked any sort of offensive imagination. 

    When Gainey took over the reins in 2003, one of his mandates was to repair the farm system and to try and returns some of the franchise’s lost aura.  He went for offence, and the Habs responded, leading the league in offence in that fantastic 2007-08 season.

    Now, under Jacques Martin, we’re looking at a team that is once again swinging sharply towards playing an unimaginatively defensive, trapping game.  Players like Gomez, Gionta, Pyatt and Plekanec are en vogue, while players like the Kostitsyns, Higgins and Latendresse have found themselves in the doghouse and/or traded.

    I really believe that the team needs to settle on a system, like the other successful franchises in the NHL (New Jersey, Detroit, San Jose, Nashville), and draft players that fit that system.  Not necessarily the best player available, but the best suitable player available.

  571. Max_a_million says:

    Boucher was let go because in order for the organization to ever be able to hire anyone with skill and quality ever again you have to let them go when a bigger job becomes available, and our bigger job was not available at the moment.

    It’s the same way in any business.  Sometimes you hire people that progress too quickly for the advancements in your own company to open. The way he handles players was the issue.  Players loved it, the Canadiens loved it, we as fans loved it, and unfortunately Columbus and Tampa loved it enough to pay for it.  That’s life.  No Conspiracy at all.

  572. habs03 says:

    The same can be posted by every other team in the league. No one team hits home runs after home runs in the draft. When looking at the drafting, you can see how under Gainey and P.G. our drafting has been better than it was under Rejean Houle (thats for you Tony_. I can pick apart every teams mistakes in the draft but i’ll just to point to one example, in the 2007, in the 2nd round of the draft only, 5 D-men where picked already of P.k. Subban, so from picks 31-42, 5 D-man where drafted ahead of P.K. all of which will have no major impact in the nhl. Our drafting is far from being the best but not as bad as people make it seem.

  573. arcosenate says:

    I wonder if anyone will make an offer to Carey Price, that would really muck up the works a bit wouldn’t it?

    Surprised that there’s been no deal settled between Price and the Habs, in light of the fact they obviously knew they were going with him and not Halak.

    Simon Gagne? Too expensive? Injured too much? Good player.

    My favourite first round picks for the Habs was 1988-1992, that produced Eric Charron, Lindsay Vallis, Turner Stevenson, Brent Bilodeau, David Wilkie.

  574. SmartDog says:

    I’m BOTHERED there’s been no deal with Price.

    Surprised?  No. 

    ————————————————————-
    Not signing or trading Pleks = yet another missed opportunity.

  575. Bugs says:

    How many 1st rounders would we get for an unmatched Priceberg offer sheet?

    How does that work again?

    Keepin it real, I be chillin as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  576. Mike from Ktown says:

    All we have to do with Price is give him a 10% raise and pat him on the back if we want. I am thinking he’ll get a deal structured similarly to Rask in Boston. He is not arbitration eligible. I would doubt very much that the habs would leave him open to an offer sheet as I do not see anyone tossing a ton of money at Price. We would end up signing him in a defensive move to keep him and pay more than we have to.

  577. Chris says:

    Notice that the period of 1988-1992 was one where the Habs DID do what so many here wanted, looking to the WHL and OHL for big, rugged Canadian boys as well as reaching into the QMJHL regularly.  That era will go down as one of the worst drafting periods in team history.

  578. mrhabby says:

    by looking at this list seems to me to me the habs have done well is some years and not so well in other years…thats what a draft is..get good some good ones and give up on some others…

  579. dh says:

    “Whom will the Canadiens pick with 27th choice on Friday night”

     

    Boone!  Whom is not used in the nominative case!

  580. HardHabits says:

    You’re telling that to a person who can’t even spell nominative.

  581. Dunboyne Mike says:

    The words in the nominative case in this sentence are “the Canadiens”. “Whom” is objective and therefore correct. 

    Imagine if we could have had Haley instead of Doug…

     

  582. andrewberkshire says:

    Go Habs Go?

  583. TomNickle says:

    F yeah Andrew, Go Habs Go!

    Time to get excited about the draft.  Gonna be a lot of trades by the looks of things.

    If Gauthier is willing to trade Halak is there any doubt that he’s willing to trade for a big centreman?

    LOOK OUT FOR BRAD RICHARDS.

  584. dufour says:

    Im sure it will be a blast… usually I play in Halifax and it always makes for a great weekend.

    “How would you like a job where when you made a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?” Jacques Plante

  585. RockinRey says:

    Onwards and upwards. Move on about Halak . Nice little run but I read where he was 9-9 . Nothing sensational in the big picture.

    Re: the draft- Get the best player available and then address other needs thru FA, offer sheets etc.

    Use every tool available in the CBA and *&^%  the rest of the teams. Be bold, get creative, look for the best players available that are open to coming to Montreal and then from there address the lower 6. These players in the CH like Moore and Metropolit (personal fave that can play on my team any day) are a dime a dozen.

    Dedicate scouts to the Q . Fine. But quit making that an objective to draft a Francophone. Always take the best player available and then address the need for someone to market around.

    Be bold – keep guys like Boucher, and do what you can to bring in a Robinson. But there is no way the Habs should not be at the top of the standings every year.

    Management has to better manage assets ( and you can debate the merits of halak trade as nauseum but at least they got someting from him). Think long term and don’t get sucked into contracts like BGL!!

  586. mbplekfan says:

    Best player available has left us with a farm full of smurfs and a pipeline with grit or toughness.

    Draft good players but ones with size. No more talented smurfs.

    Desharnais, Trotter, Dumont, Fortier… No more like those guys.

  587. ManApart says:

    ??? Boucher is gone to Tampa, and Robinson’s calls were never returned, so he signed with the Devils. Out of the loop?

  588. arcosenate says:

    I think it depends on the value of the contract offered.

    When Penner signed with Edmonton for 5 years and $21.5 million the compensation was a 1st, 2nd and 3rd round pick in that years draft.

  589. SmartDog says:

    I think it depends on teh size of hte offer sheet.  Probably one 1st rounder and one 2nd.

    I’m surprised all those journalist saying that we couldn’t sign Halak because he’d cost us twice (or more) the money haven’t clued into the fact that an offer sheet on Price could well drive his cost way up AND that Gautheir, if he’s anythign like Gainey is not the best negotiator.

    ————————————————————-
    Not signing or trading Pleks = yet another missed opportunity.

  590. Bugs says:

    Excellent!

    Thank you.

    Keepin it real, I be chillin as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  591. HardHabits says:

    It doesn’t matter who the Habs pick 27th because in a few years they’ll trade PK for the 28th pick anyways.

  592. SeriousFan09 says:

    Well hey, if people are willing to trade a Top 10 NHL defencemen in Markov for a checking centre with no playmaking instinct and the goal-scoring talent of Chris Higgins, why not?

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  593. ManApart says:

    Haha, good one

  594. dh says:

    So what is the correct way to spell nominative?

  595. dh says:

    yeah, it’s the direct object. To anxious to rag a journalist.

  596. ed lopaz says:

    its not surprising at all that the deal is still pending.

    Price (as the 2nd goalie in the playoffs and down the stretch), and a restricted free agent WITHOUT arbitration, stood to make his 09 salary plus about 10-20 percent.

    Many don’t know that price made 850,000 last season + bonuses (which he might not have hit).

    850,000 + 20 per cent = 1,020,000.

    BUT…..now that Halak is gone, Price’s agent must have surely asked for a salary that is fair for a # 1 who will be expected to play around 65 games next year.

    That’s more like 3 million per.

    That’s why we will need to wait a few days for the deal to be struck.

    The Habs are “countering” on the 3 million per, and trying to force Price to increase the term to 3, 4, years.

    If I’m Price’s agent, my best case scenario is 3 million, 1 year deal.

    We’ll see what happens.

    By the time all the dust settles, the Habs will be paying close to 4.5 or 4.75 million for Price and Biron combined, in my opinion,

    which would entirely undermine the arguments that Halak was traded for the Cap.

    Of course, on a 1 year arbitration deal or an offer sheet match, we could have had Halak and Price (which is much better than Price and Biron everyone would agree) for about 6 million combined.

  597. mrhabby says:

    and for 6m we would still have the bubbling issue of who starts and who is the better goalie. the never ending saga would continue.

  598. mrhabby says:

    Spezza now officially on the market per Globe and Mail to day..

  599. PeterStone says:

    I personally like him … i know I will get ridiculed for this .. BUT … what the hey .. Gomez and the K Bros for Spezza and Kovalev …

    On another note, anyone getting the feeling Pleks ISNT coming back … # 2 Center on the Habs BPouliot … # 3 L. Eller ( at least to start the season ) and they go after a winger either thru trade or FA .

  600. TorontoHabsFan says:

    Wakey wakey! Don’t you know that he was let go because the Habs are incompetant (sic) and exist only to make fans’ lives miserable?!?!?!

    Don’t be such a moran!

     

    (heh – you’re obviously bang on. Cheers!)

  601. puck face says:

    if someone is payed by way of future shop gift cards does it count against the cap?

  602. krob1000 says:

    ACTUALLY TWICE THE CAP HIT..some nerd will talk you into financing the already overpriced purchases you make at Future Shop and you pay twice as much as you would have, then the item breaks, you make payments on nothing and are forced to buy from somewhere else…it is only then that you realize your mistake.

  603. HabFanSince72 says:

    Small is in.
    Or did you miss this year’s playoffs?

  604. mbplekfan says:

    The three best players in the entirety of the playoffs were Jon Toews at 6’2, Dustin Byfuglien at 6’4, and Chris Pronger at 6’5.

     

  605. andrewberkshire says:

    6 of the top 10 point scorers were under 6′.

  606. puck face says:

    best buy?

  607. TripleX says:

     

    You forgot the hard sell INSURANCE that goes with every purchase.  Just another pleasure that comes with shopping at FS and BB.

     

    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  608. puck face says:

    i should have thought this through before asking , just doing my part trying to make an impact my first week here as part of the montreal canadien’s scouting team….don’t tell my boss he’s busy trying to trade a bunch of nothing for something.

     

  609. Le Jadester says:

    This was an excellent Thread and disussion gentlemen.  I can appreciate all the theories and insight that goes into a team trying to build an identity year in and year out with one goal in mind (at least for Les Canadiens) and who they are attempting to achieve those objectives.

    That’s why I like coming to HI/O all the time !

    Habs, OLE !

    PS – I wish my hair could look like José Charbonneau’s.  He must have gotten all kinds or girls. 

  610. Puck Bard says:

    Boone’s earlier piece on Charbonneau, and bad 1st round Hab picks from last year (he digs into the 70s:

    Where have you gone, Jose Charbonneau

  611. alestar says:

    I’m positive Pleks is already gone…

     

    XXIV…and counting

  612. ed lopaz says:

    6 months ago I suggested Plekanec and AK Big, but saggy, Tits for Spezza.

    I had a feeling Plekanec would be tough to sign, and AK is AK (kind of like Maxwell Smart’s brain in George Constanza’s body)

    My unofficial poll on this site.

    99 posters thought I needed to get a room at The Douglas Mental Institution (not far from the Bell Center)

    1 poster (i think it was my daughter) abstained out of pity for me.

  613. pic1983 says:

    Pretty sure the habs specifically targetted Eller as a contingency in the event that pleks doesnt stick around.  I doubt pouliot will go back to center.  Eller would probably slot in as number two, laps as 3rd or 4th, and one of metro or moore will most likely be retained to fill the other slot. 

    just my guess.

  614. TripleX says:

     

    Let a home grown talent walk on July 1 for nothing?  That would be so unlike Montreal.

     

    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  615. PeterStone says:

    i agree .. i am just not that sure he’ll be ready for centering the 2nd line coming out of camp.  we’ll see I guess. I also am not sure we’ll see Lapierre back at C … more likely me thinks is on the wing with moore, who, if he doesnt get greedy , should be back.

  616. mrhabby says:

    hmmm. seems like it for sure.

  617. SmartDog says:

    My sig says it all.  I’ve kept it there since the trade deadline experied with Gauthier saying “we’ve made good progress in talks”.  Pffffttttt….  what a waste.

     

    ———————————————
    Not signing or trading Pleks = yet another missed opportunity.

  618. HabFanSince72 says:

    As far as I know no NHL team has a GM who recently emerged from a long
    coma, and no one who was conscious during the recent playoffs will trade for either Kostitsyn.

     

  619. PeterStone says:

    I would have done that, especially coming off the lousy season he had just had …

    thats how it is tho, sometimes you get slaughtered for having an opinion … just like I said I thought the Gomez deal was a disaster , and BG had to go …  I think its pretty obvious now …

  620. mrhabby says:

    your exchanging soft players for a soft player….and a show boat…no tx

  621. ed lopaz says:

    great! now the results are 99-1-1. :-)

  622. Watsatheo says:

    Ian Schultz compilation for those who liked my Eller one and want to see this guy in action: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxBeYRFHSpQ

  623. likehoy says:

    video not processed yet

  624. puck face says:

    doesn’t work-not yet processed , now here i am with my pants around my ankles.


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