Draft Lottery set for Tuesday

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After Saturday’s season finale against the Maple Leafs, the Canadiens’ next big date comes Tuesday when the NHL stages what everyone calls the Draft Lottery, but what the league calls the “Draft Drawing,” to determine the order for the top picks in June’s Entry Draft.

The Draft Drawing involves the 14 clubs that did not qualify for the playoffs, or the clubs that have acquired the first-round draft pick from one of those non-playoff clubs.

The rules of the Draft Drawing are that one team from the 14 is picked and the winning club moves up as many as four positions in the draft order. If the winning club is one of the clubs with the five lowest regular season point totals (or another team that acquired one of those picks in a trade), they move to first overall and everyone else moves down one spot.

The drawing is weighted, so that the worse record a team had during the season, the better chance they have of being selected in the lottery.

This means if the Canadiens remain in the 28th spot, they would have a 14.2 percent chance of winning the draw. If they do, they would move to first overall.

If one of the two teams with a worse record wins the drawing, it would not affect the Canadiens draft position.

If a team with a better record than the Canadiens wins the drawing, they move up four spots and could supplant the Habs, depending on their final standing during the season. A team that finished between 27th and 24th overall would move up four spots and bump the Canadiens back one pick. For what it’s worth, that exact scenario has only happened once, the first year of the lottery system in 1995.

Based on team finish, the percentage chance of being selected in the Draft Drawing is:

30th place team – 25.0%
29th place team – 18.8%
28th place team – 14.2%
27th place team – 10.7%
26th place team – 8.1%
25th place team – 6.2%
24th place team – 4.7%
23rd place team – 3.6%
22nd place team – 2.7%
21st place team – 2.1%
20th place team – 1.5%
19th place team – 1.1%
18th place team – 0.8%
17th place team – 0.5%

The history of NHL draft lottery can be found here on the TSN Website. TSN will televise the Draft Drawing for Canadian viewers on Tuesday at 8 pm. The program will be show in the U.S. on the NBC Sports Network, formerly Versus.

Here’s the NHL release on the Draft Drawing.

The NHL’s Central Scouting Bureau will release its final rankings of draft eligible players on Monday.

Here’s the NHL website for the Entry Draft, which will be in Pittsburgh on June 22 and 23.

256 Comments

  1. The Juice says:

    The last 2 months of cheering against the Habs has shown me the light that the current draft lottery system is fatally flawed, why not give the team that just missed out on the playoffs the best chance at 1st overall? Teams would have no motivation to tank, or otherwise, give every non playoff team an equal chance at the 1st overall pick, now THAT would be must see TV!

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  2. The HonestFan says:

    Let’s trade our pick,Gomez,Kaberly, Bourque for a couple 2nd liners and a 2nd round draft pick. Solves our cap space

  3. LafleurGuy says:

    Guess what the buzz was in Montreal before the 1980 draft; the need for a BIG center! According to Wiki, NHL Central Scouting Services was established in 1975.

    “May you live in interesting times.”

    • Habs_4_ever says:

      Let’s dream that we won the Draft Lottery. How radical would it be if we chose someone other than Nail Yakupov?

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    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Re-posted from March 27:

      Regarding the Doug Wickenheiser draft, while there was a significant contingent who felt at the time that local boy Denis Savard should be the choice, we were then as now afflicted with the ‘gros joueur de centre’ mania.

      We had traded away Peter Mahovlich, we complained that he was slow, and stopped skating when he stickhandled, which he did all too often. We learned after his trade that he partied too hard and drove Scotty Bowman nuts.

      So before the draft, the Montréal Matin, La Presse, le Journal de Montréal, the call-in show ‘Les Amateurs de Sports’ on CKAC, all agreed that we needed to draft a big centre to plug in between Steve Shutt and Guy Lafleur.

      One look at their stats confirmed the wisdom of drafting Mr. Wickenheiser. He scored more goals and points than Mr. Savard did, in a league that was more defensive and didn’t tend to produce high-scorers. He was the obvious choice.

      In hindsight, it’s easy to rue that call. If we had chosen Denis Savard, he might have been crushed by expectations and not developed also, or he might have let the adulation and party favours go to his head, and Doug Wickenheiser might have had a much better career in Chicago with time to develop and less pressure. I don’t necessarily believe that, as Denis Savard showed he had the fire to be the best and would have done so anywhere, whereas Doug Wickenheiser seemed too placid for the role he was meant to fill.

      In our next draft, we have the added disadvantage of drafting eighteen year old players, as opposed to twenty year olds back then, so it’s even more of a conjecture as to how these kids will turn out.

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  4. Habs_4_ever says:

    In the 17 seasons that the NHL Draft Lottery has been in place…
    *7 times the team that finished last lost the lottery, or 41%.
    *4 times the team that finished third to last won the first choice, or 24%.
    So, statistically, Columbus has a 59% chance at getting first choice, and Montreal has a 1 in 4 shot at getting Yakupov. ( they would pick Yakupov…right??? )

    Just curious… when Montreal infamously drafted Doug Wickenheiser, where was he ranked by Central Scouting, or was there even such a thing back then?

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    • HabFanSince72 says:

      The actual odds of winning the #1 pick are

      Columbus: 48%
      Edmonton: 19%
      Montreal: 14%


      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

      • Habs_4_ever says:

        Yes, but I based my calculations on what has historically happened.

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        • huge_polar_bear says:

          Yes but statistically speaking the historical data is meaningless. It’s like when you flip a coin, even if it comes up heads 9 times in a row, when you flip it that 10th time you still have a 50/50 chance of it landing on heads or tails…

          • Habs_4_ever says:

            OK…how about…Based on the trend, and not the actual odds… Would that work?

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    • Cal says:

      Wick was the highest rated center coming off of a Memorial Cup win. His stats were 1979-80 Regina Pats WHL GP71 G89 A81 PTS170.

    • LafleurGuy says:

      The Hockey News was in its early years in the early 80′s, and speaking for the rabid (or is it rabbit on Easter weekend?) fans of that era, this magazine was the only and not-easily-found public source of in-depth information. Wickenheiser was part of the Memorial Cup champion team (Regina Pats) and played well in the nationally televised championship game, which may have been a broadcast first as well. Dennis Sobchuk played spectacularly in that game, which I think got him drafted in the first round. Clark Gillies had a Rockem Sockem Robot fight with the large Richard Nantais. Gillies was highly ranked, but Nantais may have subsequently become a draftee solely on his performance in that one fight.

      “May you live in interesting times.”

    • Hoegarden says:

      From; /www.multilingualarchive.com/

      Wickenheiser was rated by the Hockey News as the top draft prospect in 1980 and was drafted first overall by the Montreal Canadiens.

  5. Habitant in Surrey says:

    Mike Boone; Faceoff.com: ‘Show Montreal Canadiens’ Fans Some Appreciation, By Silence’ : http://www.faceoff.com/hockey/teams/montreal-canadiens/Mike+Boone+Show+Montreal+Canadiens+fans+some+appreciation+with+silence/6421502/story.html

    …I must admit I have rarely read a column written by Mike Boone I have enjoyed, or felt I have raised My awareness on any subject He has addressed, whether it was during His music critic days, or the ‘city’ column He wrote before His appointment to the dark-side as a full-fledged ‘sports journalist’ for The Montreal Gazette

    …I must admit also, I have not read much of Mike’s ‘stuff’ even while I lived in Montreal and read The Gazette regularly …I just found most of His stuff light-weight and often juvenile

    …but when I happenstanced on HIO a few years ago, I finally found a common affinity, as a Habs’Fans, with His writing …which came across as universally a voice for all of Us

    …likely it’s just Me, …obviously He would not have had as long a career as He has had if everyone else had the same opinion of His non-HIO writing as I

    …whatever …I came home tonight after a long-day driving and ‘touristing’ in Seattle for My daughter’s birthday …it’s 2 AM, and before I hit the hay, I just have to read HIO …one link leads to another, and I ‘happenstance’ (lot of THAT goin’ round :) ) on Boone’s column noted above on faceoff.com

    …read it curiously, and find Myself in an unexpected extended belly-laugh …again, maybe it’s just Me, I found it hilarious and finally ‘right on’ in substance

    …’…PSCVS: Post Southern-California Vulgarity Syndrome’ …and I’m going to sleep now and I am sure as Hell certain I will be waking up in a sweat channeling Randy Cunneyworth’s trajectory in the rafters of the Bell Centre at the conclusion of Our Habs’ last game vs The Weeds

    …I think I’m gonna read Mike’s columns a little more frequently in the future :)

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    • LafleurGuy says:

      Don’t agree with criticizing writers when often it’s a matter of taste. I used to enjoy travel articles more but nowadays find them light in content. I see it as a matter of the limitations of the format, and therefore much prefer books on this subject. I think very highly of Mike Boone for having created this forum which has given many moments of “excitement,” and not necessarily on the topic of hockey from the insideout.

      P.S. Notice there was no real hockey content in each of our comments and therefore, others posters can critique our comments as irrelevant.

      “May you live in interesting times.”

    • 24 Cups says:

      “I must admit I have rarely read a post written by Habitant in Surrey I have enjoyed, or felt I have raised My awareness on any subject He has addressed.”

    • punkster says:

      Well, maybe…but he ain’t no snob.

      ***Subbang Baby!!!***

    • Mike Boone says:

      I am so touched by HiS’s praise, wrapped as it is in a bouquet of condescension.

      Mike Boone
      Hockey Inside/Out blogger
      Gazette City columnist
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  6. nickster13 says:

    In my opinion, we should not be drafting a centre, but a winger. We have DD who had a good year, Pleks who will bounce back, and Eller who will only keep improving. Thats good enough for me, they can rotate as their play dictates.
    I think a winger is the key, as someone with some finish should be the one to play with Pleks or Eller. Im looking at Yakupov, as he likes to shoot the puck.
    That being said, if we do not get the 1st overall pick, we had better trade up for that 1st overall pick, namely by trading a roster player and our 2nd/3rd overall pick.
    What do you think?

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  7. Un Canadien errant says:

    I’ve addressed in the past how the NHL has a bizarre system of on-ice discipline. It is accepted that the referees will not catch every infraction, despite the relatively recent addition of a second referee and extra set of eyes, due to the pace of the game, so two current practices were evolved.

    One is that the players will police the game themselves, in order to keep a lid on dirty plays committed out of the officials’ sight. This creates a league where intimidation, thuggery and outright assaults are tolerated to a great degree as a necessary or even noble product of the game. So that a big, tough player is prized more highly by General Managers than a smaller more talented player.

    Another is that the referees will ‘manage’ the game, chatting constantly with the players on the ice, directing them as to what is expected, telling to stop hooking or freezing the puck or cross-checking or else they’d have to whistle them for a penalty. Often, an infraction isn’t really an infraction unless the referee has had a chance to enjoin the guilty party to cease and desist. You hear them all the time: “Let go! Let go!”

    “Keep it moving! Keep it moving!”

    “Easy with the stick… Next one I’m going to have to call it.”

    It brings us to ridiculous situations like today’s announcements that Brooks Orpik will not receive extra discipline for his potentially career-ending knee-on-knee check delivered to Derek Stepan. Mr. Orpik is the exact type of rugged, hard-nosed player with limited skill and mobility who is perennially chosen over the more talented Martin St. Louis of this game.

    The play itself is unremarkable in that it happens routinely in the NHL. A player lines up an opponent for a big open ice hit, invariably coming straight at him. The other player notices this, sometimes at the last minute, and veers to one side or the other. The would-be bodychecker will then be at a disadvantage if he misses him, since he will be out of position with the puck carrier behind him and with a clear path to the net. So the bodychecker, who cannot allow this to happen, out of a partial reflex and competitive spirit, reaches out to at least put some kind of a hit on him and slow him down, and this unfailingly results in the knee-on-knee collision.

    Mr. Orpiks received a five minute penalty and a game misconduct for his hit, but no further suspension, even though these are the kind of hits that rupture ACL and cartilage in players’ knees and ends careers. This hit is seen as a by-product of the physical game, regrettable but unavoidable.

    Meanwhile, adding to the ridiculousness, Wild defenceman Nate Prosser received a one game suspension for a head butt to Jamal Mayers. This incident occured during a tedious, meaningless scrum in front of the net, hard on the heels of players ‘rushing the net’ when the goaltender obviously had the puck frozen under his glove. During the scrum, Mr. Mayers, who is precisely the kind of untalented mugger the NHL favours, swatted at Nate Prosser’s head and face with his right hand. For a moment both players stood face to face with their sticks and hands tangled in front of them, at which point Mr. Prosser reached out with his head and headbutted Mr. Mayers in the face. Mr. Mayers suffered a cut lip in this exchange, but the intensity of the headbutt would have been described by apologists as nothing more than a ‘love tap’ if contact had been made with the glove of Mr. Prosser instead. If he had crosschecked/gloved Mr. Mayers in the face with more energy and purpose, and if Mr. Mayers had retaliated in kind, this would have been seen as good spirited competition by two warriors trying to send a message. At most they would have received cancelling two-minute minors.

    Again, the message is clear. Players like Mr. Orpik and Mr. Mayers will be celebrated by the league and their thuggery will be tolerated and explained in the context of murky concepts like honour and toughness. If Mr. Orpik almost ends a player’s career due to his need to play physically to continue to have a career in the NHL, that’s the cost of doing business. You can’t have an omelet without breaking a few eggs. If Mr. Mayers heads to the net and mugs it up after the play when the whistle has blown, that’s just spirited play and par for the course, he’s making sure the goalie isn’t too comfortable. Elbows, punches, facewashes, crosschecks, these are just tactics. But if a headbutt is delivered, that’s outside The Code, and will be punished. One type of violence is cool, another is beyond the pale.

    The NHL can’t seem to get out of its own way. It promised us that it would favour a more open, spectacular product as an apologia after the lockout, that offence and skill and speed would be championed, as the NFL had done, and the NBA, and Rugby Union, among other sports. We bought it. Bob Gainey bought it.

    Instead, the inmates are running the asylum, with the Bruins family having taken over the Board of Governors and the Ministry of Information like the Borgias with the Holy See. The goon is ascendent in the house of the NHL. The Flyers and Rangers have put the Penguins and the league on notice as to what will happen during the playoffs.

    It would be so simple to avoid two incidents like these. Make each offence a strict liability, where the player’s intent or the resultant damage or injury doesn’t factor into whether a suspension will be imposed. The responsibility for preventing a knee on knee collision rests with the bodychecker. If he lines up an opponent and connects like Scott Stevens or Alexei Emelin, fair game. If however his target observes him and ducks, the bodychecker must let him go, and can’t reach out with an elbow or knee. If he does connect with an elbow or knee on knee, a minimum sentence is incurred, regardless of the situation, or that the opponent wasn’t stretchered off the ice. Punish transgressors harshly, to change the mindset. The players must know that there’s no tolerance, no margin for error with these moves, to change the culture.

    Same thing with blows to the head. No matter that it’s delivered by an elbow or gloved hand or bare hand or stick or whatever, they’re not allowed. A glancing blow, a love tap, a vigourous shove, a hard gloved punch à la Milan Lucic on Mike Komisarek, they’re all no gos. No facewashes. No contact with the face or head of the opponent is tolerated. Period. Nate Prosser can’t headbutt Jamal Mayers, but neither can Jamal Mayers swat his head. After the whistle when the play is dead. No excuses, no deviation. Game misconducts and game suspensions are automatic, with escalators for repeat offenders. Problem solved.

    These issues are too intractable for Gary Bettman and Bill Daly and the feckless Colin Campbell to solve, however, occupied as they are trying to convince the authorities in Phoenix that they have three, no four! interested parties to purchase the Coyotes, just dying to, right around the corner. But it really isn’t that complicated. The lawsuits are just about the corner boys, how about you at least put up a sham front of proactiveness.

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    • The Cat says:

      Not surprising, theres a different set of rules for Pittsburgh, its been like that for years.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

    • LafleurGuy says:

      Orpik’s knee on knee looked accidental, and IMO could be compared to Desharnais’ hit on Price. Soccer rules allow a red card and instant disqualification. There is disqualification in hockey but violent physical contact is allowed by the rules of play in hockey. Another way of putting it is that it is very possible that a legal hit seriously injures a player and no blame can be assigned. In Pat Lafontaine’s case, he was running on fumes towards the end, and ultimately his final hockey moment was the termination of his career by a collision with a teammate.

      Agree fully with the criticism of bullying and other forms of tacky, low-class, make that no-class actions. Sorry, I’m posting hours after, UCE, but I was asleep when you initiated the subjects.

      “May you live in interesting times.”

  8. HabsBeen says:

    With the Habs guaranteed to draft no lower than 4th and as high as 1st overall, there’s a good chance they’ll get that high impact center they desparately need. If Columbus picks first, you can cross out Grigorenko. They need a center for Nash and he’s it. If Edmonton goes second, they don’t need another talented forwarded. They need a defencemen so I think they’ll go for Dumba or Reilly. If the Habs pick 3rd, then they have a chance for one of the big centers left. Galchenyuk or Faksa would be good choices but there’s got to be some concern with Galchenyuk’s recent knee injury. If they don’t choose a center, I’d be happy with Forsberg.

    • caladin says:

      So you have Yakupov going 7th? lmao

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    • matt jordan says:

      I don’t think that’s the way it’s going to go down.

      As Caladin pointed out, you forgot Yakupov, the best player in the draft.

      Columbus is also looking at moving out Rick Nash, so why would they draft a centre to play with him?

  9. frontenac1 says:

    Love that Irish kid McIlroy!The Yanks are still trying to ignore him.

  10. frontenac1 says:

    Love the Masters but why the opbsession with Woods? “There is nothig more helpless or irresponsible than a man in the depths of an ether binge” Hunter S. Thompson.

  11. Clay says:

    I saw some discussion of the whereabouts of old HIO members, and it got me thinking of the disappearance of the incomparable Bugs.
    Shortly before his disappearance, he spent some time talking about the mysterious collapse of Building 7 of the WTC on 911.

    :idea: I wonder if he simply got too close to the truth, and ‘They’ got to him… :???:

    I miss Bugs ;)

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    • HabFab says:

      Him and the Everlasting 1 got pretty heavy into the conspiracy and ET stuff…makes you wonder if they joined Elvis. Obviously a question for the MiB.

    • Rob says:

      Bugs discovered some “truths” that i believe had a profound effect on his priorities. in fairness, if he really just started learning about the possibilities of the events he was discussing, and if he truly believed them to be completely true, you can understand why someone of that mindset would have little use for a hockey blog.

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  12. jedimyrmidon says:

    I’m relatively new to following hockey. Seeing how effective and valuable players picked in the 2nd round can be (like Subban), it really is horrible how over the past 3-4 years, the Habs have always without fail traded away their 2nd round picks. The team could have been in much better shape now especially since Timmins seems to be good at finding more than decent players in the 4th and 5th rounds.

  13. HardHabits says:

    Red Fisher digs deep and produces his best article of this long season. Better late than never.

  14. Mattyleg says:

    Heh heh.
    TSN is marketing its Draft Day coverage directly to Habs fans.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  15. Bill says:

    Just a few things I’d like to repeat regarding the draft:

    1 – The Habs’ weakest position is not centre. It is LW. If the Habs were drafting by organizational need, they wouldn’t be going for a centre.

    2 – The Habs won’t draft by organizational need. They will take the best player available, which will be either Grigorenko or Galchenyuk, who happen to be centres. That will probably mean moving out one of the centres they already have in a year or so.

    3 – There is no reason to think Grigorenko is “lazy”. I do not consider a single TSN article citing an unnamed “scout” delivering a radically contrarian opinion to be a reliable source. If you are a scout and have evidence of this, please let me know. If the Habs can get him, they should, IMO.

    4 – The Habs are not “stacked” when it comes to D prospects. They have no D prospects who will make the team next year and maybe one the next year. I am pretty sold on Beaulieu, whom I’ve had a chance to see several times, making the Habs in 2013. Tinordi will require lengthier pro seasoning in the AHL. Ellis, Dietz, Pateryn, Bennet … these guys are a crapshoot. So there’s no reason to say that the Habs should not consider taking a D.

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    • HabFab says:

      Bill, don’t know much but do know this!
      There are two parallel worlds at play here…the real one and then there is HIO ;)
      Good post anyhow! :)

      • JohnBellyful says:

        How come no one ever talks about the Parallel World Hockey Championships? Talk about being narrow-minded. Too many fans think it’s NHL or nothing. It’s just not right.

        • HabFab says:

          Would be bad form as we have won the Cup for 45 years straight and we wouldn’t want to appear as bragging. That provision where we have preference over the Quebec players plus Maritimers has certainly helped. Can’t wait to see MacKinnon next year!

    • matt jordan says:

      As long as the Canadiens don’t draft a goalie, they should be fine.

    • punkster says:

      Hmmm…not a bad post though awfully thin on hyperbole, exaggeration, hearsay and fabrication. Keep at it young man. We’ll make an HI/Oer of you yet.

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    • Mattyleg says:

      I still don’t see the problem with moving Eller to the wing.
      Think he’d be more effective there.

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      • CanadienBoy says:

        Eller better at center

        • jols101 says:

          Why? Cause of the whopping 28 points he has this season. He would have been more effective playing on Plek’s wing. It would have helped both players, playing with someone on your own skill level always helps. Eller/Pleks/Gionta would be a great 2nd line next year if the Habs can’t get Parise…

          • Sean Bonjovi says:

            Eller’s a puck chaser. If you play him on one wing he ends up on the wrong wing.

            “Patch the holes, ride it out, Play for 2015″
            - Sean Bonjovi

    • jols101 says:

      Points 1,2,and 3 are Spot On

      Point 4 could not be more wrong. The Habs may not be “stacked” on D prospects but Tinordi is by far the most NHL ready. At 6 “7″ 225 lbs he does’nt have to grow into his frame like most young kids, he is already a monster. Seen him play a few games this year and watched him closely at the WJC and he has all the skills needed to compliment the size. He won’t be an offensive threat but he will be a Hal Gill with much greater speed and a mean streak and a willingness to drop the gloves and beat the crap out of someone that is scary. Exactly what the Habs need…in my opinion of course

      • Stev.R says:

        How is his skating? I’m not overly concerned that he isn’t quick enough to jump into the rush, but he has to be mobile enough so he isn’t embarrassed as much as O’Byrne was when he was in MTL.

        • jols101 says:

          He skates well for a big man. You know how a lot of tall, rangy players look awkward, well not this guy. He pivots well and has good speed. He’s going to be a beauty. Big, strong, tough, and defensively reliable. He led the OHL in plus/minus.

      • Bill says:

        From what I’ve seen of his fights he is not a natural scrapper: I don’t see him as the guy who is going to “beat the crap out of someone scary”. He’s just not a great fighter.

        At this point in his development I can’t believe he is NHL ready. I think he would be terribly exposed at the NHL in terms of his ability to read plays and defend effectively. That’s why I think he needs a couple of years in the AHL.

        Beaulieu looks much more ready. His overall game is fantastic. Even so, he needs a year in the AHL.

        Let’s remember this conversation and see which player makes it to the NHL quickest!

        Full Breezer 4 Life

        • jols101 says:

          To be honest I have never seen Beaulieu play live and my opinion of him is largely based on the WJC. He didn’t impress much to say the least but maybe he had a nagging injury or was just nervous. An evaluation on one tourny is’nt very thorough, so I will take your analysis to heart as you have seen more of him.

          Another reason i think Tinordi will make the Show first is organizational need. The Habs have no one that has what Tinordi brings, while they are heavy on what Beaulieu will bring- Markov, Subban, and Kaberle…

          Like you said though, lets remember this little conversation and time will tell….

          • Bill says:

            Beaulieu is not as good as Markov and Subban, but he’s not remotely a Kaberle type player! Beaulieu’s game is complete. He’s adept at both ends of the ice, and he’s pretty scrappy to boot. If I were going to (optimistically) compare him to a former Hab I would say he’s like Eric Desjardins with a bit of a mean streak.

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          • jols101 says:

            Wow a Desjardins type with some sandpapper. That would be awesome. I loved Desjardins. I hope Beaulieu can live up to that. You got me excited about him…lol

        • Mad Habber says:

          Hmm did Jols101 say he would beat the crap out of someone that was scary or willingness to. Mike Komisarek had the will to drop the gloves and fight someone scary but he failed; at least the last bit. Tom Kostopolous too for that matter.

          • jols101 says:

            I guess that sentence didn’t make much sense. What i meant was he is willing to drop the gloves and throw them if he has to. Bill thinks he is’nt a good fighter, i saw 3 London Knights games this season and he fought in 2 of them and he destroyed his opponent both times. Thats the scary part…

          • Bill says:

            ^^I’ve only seen his fights online, so I can’t really judge.

            EDIT: Not that I look up hockey fights online or anything. That would ruin my hippie/pacifist street-cred around here.

            Full Breezer 4 Life

    • Mike D says:

      All valid points, Bill – as usual. I’ll offer this:

      1 – Correct, they are weaker at LW than they are at C, but are pretty weak at both and have been weaker at C for a longer period of time in terms of that big #1 star center. Overall, I’d say a star center is more important than a star winger all other things being equal. They are also more difficult to come by via trade and FA than wingers are.

      2 – That’s entirely possible, but I assume Timmins has his own rankings and will at least consider ISS and other scouting sources (many of which have Gally at around 7 and Murray/Dumba/Forsberg in the 3 thru 5 spots). If your scenario plays out, it will be interesting to see which C we move of Pleks, DD, or Eller.

      3 – Bang on. I hope the club and Roy will speak extensively about Grigorenko given the relationship, regardless of whether Roy is being considered (or considering) becoming coach or GM for the Habs.

      4 – Stacked can mean different things to different people. We may not have one each of a younger Shea Weber, Nick Lidstrom, etc. in the pipeline, but we have many quality young D prospects in addition to young guys already on the big club like Subban and semi-young guys like Gorges and Emelin (who still has room to develop his NA game). With that many D prospects, it’s reasonable to assume at least some will become quality NHLers and Beaulieu and Tinordi have the ceiling to become excellent NHLers (NB especially). I think you’d be hard-pressed to find another club with as many good D prospects as the Habs (though I admit I’m not an expert on the matter). Some clubs might rival our depth at D, but that’s a maybe, and I doubt any club is clearly ahead of us in that dept. Nothing wrong necessarily with drafting another D, but where are we going to put all these guys?? Also, there should still be some viable Dmen available with our other picks.

      - Honestly yours
      Twitter: @de_benny

      • Bill says:

        I’d love to see the Habs get Dumba, if the scouting reports can be believed!

        All the forwards after Yakupov have so many question marks …

        EDIT – That’s assuming they are picking third. I would love to see them grab Yakupov or Grigorenko as well, if they’re picking top-two. After that, I’m just not sure, but I am pretty confident that Timmins has this figured out.

        Full Breezer 4 Life

    • HabsinLA says:

      Not sure if this is true, so I’m looking for someone to rebut my claim: Top end centers have a bigger impact on the line’s play then a top end wing.

      Here’s my limited and probably biased proof:
      Thornton making Cheechoo a star and Setoguchi better than he really is
      Spezza is the reason why his line is so good.
      Ovechkin struggled without Backstrom
      Crosby and Malkin takes the play of Kunitz, Dupuis, Neal (Already talented but a 45 goal scorer?) up a notch or 2.
      I’m sure there are some more examples out there.

      The only major rebuttal example I can think of are Kessel and Stamkos.

      • Mike D says:

        Stamkos is a Center. You probably think he’s a winger because Marty St. Louis often plays the role of set-up man on their line. He also moves to the wing when they put Vinny on the same line, but he’s definitely a center.

        There are more example than Kessel which could rebut your claim, but I would agree with the theory that Center is the more impactful forward position. They also play a much more important defensive role than wingers generally do.

        - Honestly yours
        Twitter: @de_benny

      • Mattyleg says:

        DD’s the reason that Cole is doing so well?

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • HabsinLA says:

          Some people think DD is just riding the coattails of Cole and Patch, I think DD is a good player in his own right.

          So how about we put it like this: if we had a center of Cole’s relative skill level but also with his work ethic, drive and size, and put him between Patch and Camalleri, would those 2 have had better seasons?

          • Mattyleg says:

            I was being devil’s advocate! ;)
            I think DD is a great center, despite his size (or perhaps because of his size!) and the physical build of your players vis à vis their positions doesn’t matter a damn thing if they play well together and make their opponents’ lives miserable.

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • habstrinifan says:

      If Tinordi’s development is as far behind as you say Bill then the Habs better address the need for a big stay at home defenseman to be ON THE TEAM within the next two year. I dont see any of the other prospects, including Beaulieu, fulfilling that role. I like Beaulieu skating but I dont see him as optimistically as you do.

      The onllt habs prospect, in my opinion, able to come in next season and fill a specific role and do it reasonably well is Gallagher.

  16. boing007 says:

    Does Geoff Molson intend to stay on as the Montreal Canadiens President?

    Richard R

  17. 24moreCups says:

    Just read this about Alex Galchenyuk, from what I read about him he sounds like a good draft choice. -

    “Alex Galchenyuk – C (Sarnia Sting)

    The 2012 draft curse’s first victim was super-skilled centre Alex Galchenyuk after he caught a rut in pre-season action causing him to miss 65 games of OHL action. Well, Gally’s back. Galchenyuk has been trending upwards since returning from injury and although Galchenyuk is only seven games into his comeback he has shown no ill effects from his knee surgery. The Sarnia Sting’s backs are against the wall as the team trails the Saginaw Spirit 3-2 in the first round series meaning viewings of Galchenyuk could come to a close quickly unless Sarnia can extend their playoff run.

    The Dean’s List has been fortunate to watch Galchenyuk return first hand and his skating appears to be as good as it was pre-injury and with each passing shift he continues to show flashes of his special skill. Through five playoff games, Galchenyuk has played alongside Nail Yakupov occasionally but not as frequent as last season. In fact, through Alex Galchenyuk’s past seven games he has been the better player of the two often stealing Yakupov’s thunder with dynamic puckhandling displays on a nightly basis. Regardless of limited action this season, Galchenyuk remains number two on The Dean’s List draft ranking. Galchenyuk has 2 goals and 4 points through 5 playoff games.”

  18. punkster says:

    Half way through the Easter weekend traditional TV marathon…the 5 hours of “The 10 Commandments”.

    Found this one minute synopsis on you tube for the uninitiated:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1kqqMXWEFs

    ***Subbang Baby!!!***

  19. matt jordan says:

    The new GM has his work cut out for him. The Canadiens have a lot of cap space tied up in bad contracts.

    One of the keys in the salary cap NHL is to have proper salary cap management, something that Gauthier and Gainey failed terribly at.

    According to capgeek, the Canadiens have about 19M in cap space for next year, with Subban, Price, Emelin, Moen, Eller among others who will need new deals for next year.

    That unfortunately does not give the new management much money to play with, especially when the defense has to be rebuilt. So much depends on how the Canadiens deal with the bloated contracts of Kaberle and Gomez and how they are removed from the books, if they are at all.

    • Mike D says:

      They also need to save some space for the following year as both DD and Max-Pac will be up for new deals. If they both have a good season again next year, they won’t come cheap.

      - Honestly yours
      Twitter: @de_benny

    • ProHabs says:

      If I was Patrick Roy or Julian Brisbois or any other prospective GM, I would make it clear in the interview that I will not accept the job of GM for the Habs unless Gomez and Kaberle are spending the year in Hamilton and I have their cap space to spend on my type of players (hard nosed players that won’t run and hide against the Bruins).

    • pmaraw says:

      you wrote cap space, and I was like ‘yay!’ and then followed it with tied up and I was like ‘gomez!’ *shakes fist*

  20. This may sound a bit mean but please do not draft a russian they show up only half of the games and what this team needs is probaley another defensemen not another centre DD,Pleks,Ells IS NOT BAD.Draft Dumba OR Ryan murray

    Fans at HIO are great but quickest way to start losing is to listen to them :)

    • HabinBurlington says:

      So when you make your generalized comment regarding a certain group of players do we just skip to your signature and realize no need to listen to it?

    • HabsinLA says:

      I dunno about you, but I would draft Datsyuk or Malkin, and I’d probably draft Kovalchuk, Radulov, Ovechkin… but that’s just me. I also would like to see Pleks with people other than White, Bourque, Moen or Darche, no offense to them. And why would we need to draft more Ds when the last 2-3 drafts we’ve invested heavily on Ds. (2 1 rounders, 5 last year). At some point, someone not named Pacioretty, Desharnais or Cole will have to do some scoring.

      • ProHabs says:

        Not sure you would be happy if your team selected Radulov. Would you be happy if you spent a first round pick on a player who has played 7 games for your team in the last 3 years.

        • HabsinLA says:

          Lol true, I thought about that after I posted. But you can’t deny he is very very talented, fast and big. Maybe Montreal would have done a better job than Nashville keeping him in the NHL. After all we got Emelin and Atvsin to come over.

          • ProHabs says:

            No doubt, if Radulov committed to staying in the NHL, I would love to have him on my team. But that is the risk with some Russian players, they may bolt and go to the KHL. Habs have done pretty well with Russian but they also wasted a first rounder on Perezhogan who left and never came back even though he was talented enough to help the team.

    • Cape Breton says:

      You’re wrong pal. How about Datsyk, Malkin, Ovechkin, Fetisov, Federov, Latinov, Brylin, Zubov

      Is that you Don Cherry? And Kovalchuk.

    • jo_maka says:

      It doesn’t sound a bit mean, it sounds utterly dumb.

      And I don’t mean to sound a bit mean.
      _________________________________
      Open-mindedness is not a skull fracture

  21. habs11s says:

    I hate this league some days, Orpik gets nothing for a dangerous knee on knee hit and Torts gets fined for stating the obvious.. http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=392449

    _____________________________________________________________

    “How would you like a job where when you made a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?” -Jacques Plante

    • Mike D says:

      Orpik is the same guy that fractured the vertebra in Erik Cole’s neck in 2006.

      Talk about repeat offender.

      - Honestly yours
      Twitter: @de_benny

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Is the league now so focused on head shots that knee on knee where a player puts his leg out (slighly perhaps) is no longer a big deal? That would be dangerous.

      Have to say, Pittsburgh is quickly gaining the reputation as one of the leagues most despised team based on other coaches comments.

      • Sean Bonjovi says:

        meh? Those same coaches would probably tell PK Subban is “classless”, so…

        “Patch the holes, ride it out, Play for 2015″
        - Sean Bonjovi

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Yah, you are probably right. But it is interesting how they seem to be the flavour of the month to complain about. I respect Sidney Crosby, but don’t have much use for the Penguins. The league helped that team out of bankruptcy with in my opinion a questionable lottery pick win.

          They always say you reap what you sow.

          • Sean Bonjovi says:

            I don’t think much of the Pens either. A team with Malkin, and Crosby, and Letang, should be playing 2012-Flyers-style-hockey and scoring five goals every night. Instead they fill out the roster with 1/2 a dozen goons. This link best sums up their philosophy IMO. http://capgeek.com/players/display.php?id=1359

            “Patch the holes, ride it out, Play for 2015″
            - Sean Bonjovi

        • Habfan10912 says:

          I don’t think anyone I’ve seen is defending the coaches. What people are pissed about, justifiably in my opinion, is the blantant favoritism given to the Pens. Its similar to the unfairness of the league rulings we saw last season with the Bruins. Gonna have a tough time convincing me that what Torts said was more worthy of punishment then the blantant knee to knee. Not as bad as Chara breaking a neck I suppose. Hockey play after all.

      • habs11s says:

        The favoritism in this league is disgusting…

        if only we sat at the ‘cool’ GMs table, DAMN YOU PG!!!
        _____________________________________________________________

        “How would you like a job where when you made a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?” -Jacques Plante

  22. naweed235 says:

    By trading away Cammaleri, We are missing a top 6 winger. I don’t think Bourque was ever meant to replace Cammi,; it was more of a cap relief type of move. Everyone is hoping for Parise but since that wont happen, I hope the GM will make a move to get someone like a RJ Umberger or a Matt Moulson. The next move is to sign a depth forward for the 3rd line because as it stands right now, we don’t have enough scoring power. Someone like a P.A Parenteau or a Peverly.

    This would be a good line up

    Cole – DD – MaxPac
    Umberger – Pleks – Gionta
    Parenteau – Eller – Bourque
    Moen – White – Blunden
    Staubitz

    Markov – Emelinator
    Subban – Gorges
    Kaberle – Bryan Allen
    Diaz

    • Stev.R says:

      I see Parenteau fitting in on the second line and Leblanc getting a shot with Eller on the third line

    • Mike D says:

      You’re right that Bourque was not meant to replace Cammy. He was meant to replace AK46 and provide some cap relief. I also believe it was a “preventative measure” that in case we couldn’t find a trading partner for AK46, or found ourselves in a position to make a playoff push by the trade deadline, then we have AK46′s replacement even if he chooses to walk away in the summer or have unrealistic salary demands come negotiations.

      The bigger picture was:

      Cammy and AK46 – FOR – two 2nd round picks in 2013, Rene Bourque, Patrick Holland, and cap space.

      There’s also a couple 5th round picks on either side of the ledger (one conditional), and Kari Rammo who was included with Cammy to Calgary.

      - Honestly yours
      Twitter: @de_benny

      • rogieshan says:

        Sadly, Bourque has turned into a poor-man’s Benoit Pouiliot – and not a very good one at that.

        • Mike D says:

          At the moment I would agree, but over recent season’s he’s done well despite being inconsistent. I’m hoping that a combo of his suspension and an unexpected trade from his home province is the reason for his slump since joining the Habs….and our overall lousy season.

          I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt until next season but am aware he has a rep. for being streaky, and lazy at times. Hopefully the new mgmt. can coach that out of him.

          - Honestly yours
          Twitter: @de_benny

    • Sean Bonjovi says:

      IMO the Habs don’t need any more Umbergers, or Parenteaus. Sign Parise if you can, but if you can’t just play the Bourques, and Ellers, and Leblancs until you Can sign, or draft a legitimate 1st line player.

      “Patch the holes, ride it out, Play for 2015″
      - Sean Bonjovi

      • Stev.R says:

        Is nobody impressed with Parenteau’s 67 points this year? I mean sure he is playing with Tavares, but surely Pleks and Gio can bring something to the table.

        • Mike D says:

          Beware the 29 year old who finally has a break-out season in a contract year.

          Not to say he’s “that guy”, but I’m not sold on his longevity as a solid 2nd line scoring winger. Could be wrong of course, but I wouldn’t take that gamble considering what it will likely cost to sign him with this year’s poor crop of FA forwards.

          - Honestly yours
          Twitter: @de_benny

          • Stev.R says:

            Good point. But he had plenty of solid years in the A. Maybe he’s a late bloomer

      • Habfan10912 says:

        Agree Sean. We need top 6 forwards and d man.

      • HabsinLA says:

        I was for trading Camalleri, but seeing him doing so well with the Flames kinda makes me sad/jealous.

        Parenteau’s looking for a payday, but Tavares is very talented so you don’t know how much of Parenteau’s production is due to linemates. Tough call. 4 mil over 4 years is fair given the UFA climate but not sure if it’s worth it.

  23. Cape Breton says:

    Forsberg is the guy for the Habs, and he will be available.

  24. HabinBurlington says:

    Huh, funny just remembered why I normally don’t golf on a holiday! 5 and 1/2 hour round, add in a 45minute frost delay and you got yourself a long day…..

    So skimmed through the last thread noticed it looked like a day of reminiscing some great posters who we miss to this day.

    And Hobie, no worries, I will always have your back buddy, come to the Summit. Went to my first summit last year and what a great time, met some real good people. THere are alot of real high quality people that post here. I didn’t know what to expect and it exceeded my expectations.

    Go Habs Go! Beat the Leafs.

  25. Rad says:

    If Columbus gets the 1st overall pick, they will take Yakupov. I suspect the Oilers picking second will take Grigorenko, and not a d-man like everybody thinks. That will leave the Habs with one of Galchenyuk or Filip Forsberg, which is a no-lose situation for us, as either of those 2 players has the potential to become a front line player in this league. It’s a coin flip between the two: Galchenyuk is stronger and more NHL-ready right now, but Forsberg may have the higher upside.

    • christophor says:

      Galchenyuk might have the highest upside of any in the draft, though he might not be ready to step in right away (a year in junior to make up for this lost year). He’s high risk, high reward.

      People have worries that Forsberg won’t develop a high-end offensive game.

      Basically, flip their names around in your post and you’re bang on with the ‘consensus’, which is what you were claiming to represent.

      Edit: Personally, I’m torn between Griggs and Gally. I think Edmonton will first try to trade their pick (or move down) in return for a high end, young Dman (to a team loaded with Dmen that needs help up front). If they’re unsuccessful in finding a partner, I think they’ll go for Murray or Dumba. I’m guessing Murray.

      • Rad says:

        Wrong. Yakupov has the highest upside of anyone in the draft, hence the consensus #1 ranking. Forsberg already plays a good all round game, including defense. He hasn’t shown the offense yet, but I think it will develop.

        • christophor says:

          Upside is only one factor. Risk is another. NHL-readiness is another. Thanks for not engaging with my post. You’ve just said ‘wrong’ with no argument.

          (And I edited ‘defence’ to ‘offense’ wrt Forsberg. That was a typo in the original.)

    • naweed235 says:

      I’d be happy with any of Yakupov, Galechnyuk or Forsberg…. On the other hand, Grigorenko worries me!
      After all the knocks I heard on the kid, I tried to watch as much videos and interviews on him as possible to form my own opinion… Well, I gotta say I can see where all the talk about his level of commitment comes from. He just doen not seem like to have that edge. Again, I am no expert or psychologist, but that’s the impression I got

    • Mike D says:

      Your scenario is certainly possible, but consider this:

      Columbus might be hesitant to draft another Russian-born player as they’ve been burned TWICE doing that in the past with a high pick (Filatov and Zherdev).

      Edmonton is in desperate need for a Dman – really desperate actually – and that is the one position this draft is strong in. There are numerous injuries and other concerns for all of the top ranked forwards which might further convince them to go with a D and actually address a glaring organizational need.

      Between Galchenyuk and Forsberg, I’d go with Galchenyuk.

      - Honestly yours
      Twitter: @de_benny

      • Rad says:

        Hi Mike. The Oilers have one need that is similar to the Habs: size in the middle. Right now they have Nugent-Hopkins, an immensely talented but somewhat smaller center. Their 2nd line center is the offensively challenged and overpaid Shawn Horcoff. And their 3rd line center is Sam Gagner, also on the smallish side. Hence, the rumblings about their interest in Grigorenko. As for their needs on defense, they’ve got 6’4″ Oscar Klefbom coming up, their 1st Round pick from last year who was voted the best defenseman at the WJC in January, and David Musil, a solid 6’3″ defensive prospect and son of former Oiler defenseman Frank Musil. Both of these players are one year further ahead of any d-man they could acquire in this years draft.

        As for Columbus, neither Filatov nor Zherdev had the kind of explosive game-changing ability that Yakupov has shown. The failures with Filatov and Zherdev were not related to their nationality. If Columbus gets the 1st pick, I would be shocked if they didn’t select Yakupov.

        • Mike D says:

          Hey Rad. I wasn’t “predicting” that Columbus would pass on Yakupov by any stretch of the imagination. Just stating that there is a historical precedent within their organization that MAY make them think twice about drafting another Russian-born player with such a privileged draft position. It’s a possibility rooted in some truisms is all. As for comparing their junior careers, that’s difficult to do considering Yakupov played in Canada while the other two played in Russia (both for CSKA Moscow). There’s also a nine year difference from the youngest and oldest of the three. BTW, I’m not anti-Russian or anything like that, just to be clear in case you got that impression.

          As for EDM’s pipeline of Dmen, they also have Teubert in addition to the guys you mention. I’m not saying their cupboard is bare on D, but it’s far from deep. From what I understand, none of their Dmen project as well as Murray or Dumba. They also have no goaltending to speak of and Dubnyk doesn’t look like he will become a top ‘tender in the NHL, or even close to that. RNH might not be big, but he is one special player. He is also very young and has time to fill out and get stronger. If your skills are at a certain level, size becomes less important. Crosby isn’t big by any stretch, but he’s still the best player in the world. Horcoff is just there as a vet and leader on a very young team. More of a place holder and a guy that helps them reach the cap floor, lol. Gagner is still somewhat of a wait-and-see player IMO. He’s got skills but hasn’t been consistent with his production as of yet. I wouldn’t be surprised if they are waiting for him to have a prolonged hot streak so they can “sell high” and trade him for a goalie or another missing piece.

          - Honestly yours
          Twitter: @de_benny

      • HabsinLA says:

        I think the reason so many think that Columbus won’t draft a Russian is because they are also trading their face of the franchise Nash. Harder to tell your fans THIS Russian is the real deal, not when Forsberg is NHL ready and can probably make the jump Landeskog style. And it’s easier to say look we drafted the next Landeskog rather than trust us, this guy isn’t the next Filatov or Zherdev.

        Edmonton has RNH, Eberle, Hall, Hemsky, Gagne, Paajarvi, Omark, I just don’t see them drafting another forward (with the exception of Yakupov) when some really top end Ds are available. What might happen is they trade down. (For example, if they win the lottery I can see them trading their 1st for our 1st (3rd overall) and Nashville’s 2nd and maybe a mid level prospect (Weber, Diaz))

        • Mike D says:

          No guarantee that Columbus will be able to trade Nash. I have a funny feeling they are looking to make out like Quebec did when they traded Lindros and won’t move him otherwise. The only real question is, is there a team willing to overpay like that to get him.

          - Honestly yours
          Twitter: @de_benny

      • boing007 says:

        So, maybe Edmonton and Columbus will hash out some sort of an arrangement.

        Richard R

  26. Sean Malone says:

    My prediction – Habs will get the 3rd pick in the lottery and draft Filip Forsberg.

    ~I never said it. Honest.~

  27. Hobie Hansen says:

    Baring injury, The Cole, Desharnais and Pacioretty line will be back and better than ever next season.

    Gionta will be back and you’d have to think that his presence with Plekanec makes up 2/3 of a good 2nd line. Does Bourque play with them or does somebody like a Leblanc or Eller really impress at training camp and take the next step?

    Or, does Montreal’s 1st round pick jumps right into the lineup or maybe a UFA?

    Whatever happens on the 2nd line or top six isn’t as important as the defense. I think the Canadiens do have a good mix of 3rd and 4th line players that could respond with the right coach.

    But the defense, STINKS! Gorges and Subban are no-brainers and are awesome. But the rest, including Markov at the moment are either undersized or weak defensively or both. Markov should probably turn around next year.

    Emelin has thrown some great hits and has a special ability in that department but he’s bad defensively. Can he learn from this year and get better, I hope so.

    Diaz has some offensive upside but on a team that’s timid and unsure in their own end he isn’t what Montreal needs. Subban, Markov and thanks to Gauthier, Kaberle are their to provide offense. So if Diaz isn’t a rock in his own end he’s useless.

    Weber is basically as useful as Diaz, another smallish defenseman on a team that’s weak on the back end and that has zero ability to clear the front of the net.

    Gill and Hamrlik were not tough guys but they were big and strong. Their presence was massively missed this year and I believe it was part of the reason the wheels came off. Gill did play but he clearly has lost a step and possibly saw the writing on the wall that regime was crumbling and his play declined.

    If Montreal has a chance at making the playoffs and maybe more next year they have to replace Gill and Hamrlik properly over the summer. Their size and positioning was very good and I hope we can find two players exactly like that but with a bit more toughness.

  28. jon514 says:

    Looking at the stats, there’s no way for us to finish, win or lose tomorrow, anywhere but 28th. This leaves us free to give the leafs exactly what they deserve tomorrow, which I approve of.

    • Mike D says:

      Actually, if we lose in regulation and the Oilers win then they would finish ahead of us, putting us in 29th. We’d be tied for points, but they would win the ROW tie-breaker and move up.

      - Honestly yours
      Twitter: @de_benny

    • Sean Bonjovi says:

      I’m not sure whom we should take, but if a really good looking player is still available, mid draft I’d have no problems trading our 2013 1st rounder to get him. By mid draft I don’t middle of the draft, I mean top ten, but I wouldn’t acquire the 5th, or 6th pick on spec. The draft would have to be in progress with one of the best players still available when the trade happened.

      “Patch the holes, ride it out, Play for 2015″
      - Sean Bonjovi

      • Mike D says:

        We shouldn’t trade our 1st rounder next year. The 2013 draft is apparently much deeper than this year’s. If anything, we should try to acquire another 1st rounder next year, preferably from a team who thinks they are a lot better than they really are.

        - Honestly yours
        Twitter: @de_benny

        • Sean Bonjovi says:

          Who’s your favourite player in the draft besides Yakupov? If you knew you could have that guy right now, would you still rather wait until the 2013 draft and hope to get somebody better?

          “Patch the holes, ride it out, Play for 2015″
          - Sean Bonjovi

          • Mike D says:

            Tough to say who I like best and not even totally sold on Yakupov. I like him best because he’s been a consensus #1 pick since before last year’s draft so the experts must see something. The top 4 forward prospects this year all seem to have a knock or two against them – injuries mostly and the odd scouting report that causes concern. No Taylor’s, Tyler’s, or RNH’s among them from what I can tell.

            I’m not suggesting trading our 1st this year for a 1st next year, but I hope we can acquire another 1st next year without giving up anything too valuable.

            - Honestly yours
            Twitter: @de_benny

  29. steve17 says:

    What I would like to see is the new GM pull off something like Burke did to get the Sedin twins. If Montreal ends up with the first or second pick, then take Plekanec, Weber and one of the 2nd round picks to get the other first round pick, then take Yakupov and Grigorenko.
    Habfan17

    • Mike D says:

      If we did something like that, I think I’d rather get Yakupov and Galchenyuk instead of Yakupov and Grigorenko since the former have established chemistry from junior. Plus Galchenyuk is American-born, therefore less of a flight-risk.

      - Honestly yours
      Twitter: @de_benny

  30. Sean Malone says:

    I’m wondering if the bell centre faith full will chant –
    “Let’s go Blue Jays!” for tomorrows game against the Leafers haha

    ~I never said it. Honest.~

  31. Habs_4_ever says:

    Since the draft lottery has been in place, how often has the last place team lost the first pick? More importantly, how often has a third to last place team gotten the first pick?

    ————————
    “Can we lose the parade float?…..Thank you!”

  32. HabFanSince72 says:

    A Leaf win tomorrow could knock them down from 5th to 8th.

    Sorry but we’re going to have to hope for one more loss.


    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • joeybarrie says:

      Absolutely not. I have tickets to tomorrows game, and only want to see us destroy them. That will make my season. And of course I still have the lottery to look forward to.

  33. newbrunswick troy says:

    Just for arguement sake; what if the new G.M decided to trade this years very optimal draft pick for a ” 1st line centerman ” and maybe another spare part…. just saying because this Habs team is not all that young, so our first round pick may a few years away from contributing.That said i think we need someone now with experience at center put this team over the top!!!
    So if the new G.M did this who would be a good Centerman to trade for???? He would have to still be 1st line quality and probably playing for a team that needs to start rebuilding soon???

    • caladin says:

      This is exactly the kind of thinking that keeps high pressure market teams down. Forget about the long term just get good quick! I am opposed.

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    • longbow says:

      Sadly it will take more than an established 1st line center to get back to the top.Our 1st rounder,Beaulieu,Tinordi,Subban,Emelin,Price,Pacioretty,Desharnais,Eller,Leblanc,Gorges,Blunden form the core that needs to be built around. The older members of the team are there to try to keep us respectable while the young-uns develop. Trading away our highest pick in 32 years would be absolute madness.

      “A constant smirk upon the face, and a whiffing activity of the body, are strong indications of futility.” Lord Chesterfield

      • Mike D says:

        Blunden is part of our “core”??? Must’ve missed the meme…

        http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/36dags/

        - Honestly yours
        Twitter: @de_benny

        • longbow says:

          Speed and size. I think he’ll be very useful on the 4th line for some time to come. The team we acquired him from gave up on him too soon IMO. I could be wrong,just a feeling.

          “A constant smirk upon the face, and a whiffing activity of the body, are strong indications of futility.” Lord Chesterfield

          • Mike D says:

            Agreed. Possibly a younger, faster Travis Moen. I like Blunden actually, just not usual for a 4th liner to be considered part of the “core”.

            Plus I couldn’t pass up an opportunity for humour and linking a meme. ;-)

            - Honestly yours
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          • longbow says:

            When I think back to the late 70′s our 4th line was Risebrough,Tremblay and Lambert. Wish they were part of our core now.

            “A constant smirk upon the face, and a whiffing activity of the body, are strong indications of futility.” Lord Chesterfield

    • Ron says:

      I would go with that if say we got Staal from Carolina with a later pick. Very good established player with chemistry in past seasons with Cole.

      • 24moreCups says:

        I think Cole has established some pretty good chemistry with DD and MaxPac, all of them having career years.

        • Ron says:

          I’d say more than good chem with those 3 this year. They were probably the only big highlite for Hab fans this year. With Staal it gives us a much bigger center that could play with Cole and Max. Moving DD down helps shore up other lines as well.

          • 24moreCups says:

            I’d love to have Staal with the Habs, I think I would keep DD and Max together though they’ve had good chemistry since their time playing together down in Hamilton and it’s just getting better.

    • steve17 says:

      If the Habs end up with the 3rd or 4th pick, I would see if Florida would take it for Huberdeau, he is a year closer to being ready. They could throw in Pulashaj and Weber. That is still taking a risk that one of these top 4 picks don’t turn out to be franchise players. The nucleaus of the team is still pretty young, Eller, Pacioretty, Subban, Price, LeBlanc, are all under 23 and there are a number of players around 25, so they have some time. They could fill some roles with UFA’s until guys like Gallagher and Kristo are ready.

      Habfan17

    • Mike D says:

      You won’t get a true 1st line Center with our pick, let alone with a spare part included. We have too many “spare parts” of or own at the moment anyway.

      Sadly, we didn’t pick a great year to suck. Ergo, we suck at sucking.

      Think about this:

      The best player in the draft is a not-very-big winger. Arguably the 2nd best player (Grigorenko) possibly has lazy tendencies and plays in the weakest junior league in Canada. Both of those players are Russian-born and though not as likely to go over to the K considering they came to Canada for junior hockey, it’s still a possibility to be considered. Many of the top players have had serious injuries this year such as Yakupov and Galchenyuk (who is the next potential “Big Star Center” in this year’s draft crop). The only other potential star forward is Forsberg, who has also had some serious detractors on a few scouting lists I’ve seen, plus he’s a winger.

      The one area where this draft is deep is at Defense…which happens to be the one strength we have in our system and pipeline. We can get a great Dman with our pick, but we are not addressing an organizational need and we’d be using our best draft position in decades to not fill the biggest hole we’ve had in our organization for a very long time. At least one of Yakupov, Grigorenko, Galchenyuk, and Forsberg will be available when we pick and all are ranked within the top 7 picks overall from what I’ve read. Do we address our needs and try for a scoring forward, thereby ignoring the biggest strength of the draft crop? On on hand we could acquire the type of piece you can typically only get by drafting that high…assuming the player reaches their potential. If that player doesn’t reach their potential though, then it will be looked upon as a blown opportunity in a draft that was rich in quality Dmen where we had a favourable pick. On the other hand, if we go the “safe route” and draft a Dman like Murray or Dumba, and any of those four forwards who was available at our draft position turns out to be a great NHLer, it will also be looked upon as a failure for not getting “a missing piece” when we had the chance, and instead having too many good Dmen, but no strength up front to score.

      - Honestly yours
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  34. JohnBellyful says:

    I think you should yoke one gimmick with another.
    Use the shootout to determine the order of the draft.

  35. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …I can live tolerantly with almost any scenario or permutation of the ‘Draft Drawing’ (aka; …the LOTTERY !!!)
    …except ONE; the possibility the Weeds, after the misery of Our season, to leap ahead to grap a Galchenyuk, Grigorenko or Yakupov
    …conniption ? …no, BESERK !!! I believe will be more accurate to describe My ‘unglueing’
    …in fact, I believe there should be an indefinite NHL by-law restricting ANY participation in post-season drafts for The Weeds, in the best interests of the integrity of ‘The Game’
    :)

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  36. punkster says:

    Mr. Hackel sets it up well and 24 Cups certainly did his best to suggest improvements…however…these are logical concepts that Bettman’s Henchmen simply will not follow.

    Here, revealed for the first time to a waiting public, is the new surprise draft format to be announced minutes before the the lottery positions are finalized.

    - The bottom 5 teams will indeed participate in a random draw to be performed behind closed doors.
    - Bill Daly will definitely announce the order as chosen by Colin Campbell who has the appropriate top hat and rabbit standing by.
    - A video has already been produced with detailed slow motion analysis of the draw narrated by Brenden Shanahanigans should any questions arise.
    - The first number drawn will receive the fifth pick and be assigned under the express condition that the receiving team agree to immediately trade that pick to the Boston Bruins for a bag of peanuts
    - The second number drawn will receive the fourth pick and be assigned under the express condition that the receiving team agree to immediately trade that pick to the Toronto Maple Leafs in exchange for Phil Kessel and who will then trade that pick to the Boston Bruins for 2 bags of peanuts and Zdeno Chara Memorial Stanchion Bobblehead.
    - The third number drawn will receive the third pick and be assigned under the express condition that the receiving team agree to immediately trade that pick to team that Phil Kessel was just traded to, and that team who will then trade that pick to the Boston Bruins for 3 bags of peanuts and a pair of primo seats at the next World Series game at Fenway Park.
    - The fourth number drawn will receive the second pick and be assigned under the express condition that the receiving team agree to immediately trade that pick to the next team who has Phil Kessel…blah, blah, blah…who will then trade that pick to the Boston Bruins for 4 bags of peanuts and the rights to Tim Thomas effective July 1, 2023
    - The remaining number will receive the top pick and be assigned under the express condition that the receiving team agree to immediately trade that pick to the Boston Bruins for an autographed Peter Chiarelli, Starely Cup Charmpins 2010-2011 calendar.

    Discuss.

    ***Subbang Baby!!!***

  37. HardHabits says:

    The play-off berths are all set and for the most part the final placements as well except for the final jockeying for the 7th and 8th positions, 1st over-all and 1st in the west.

    Nashville-Detroit and Philadelphia-Pittsburgh look like they are going to be best 1st round series. Both could go 7 games.

  38. HabFanSince72 says:

    Warm balls. That’s the way to fix the outcome.


    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

  39. JohnBellyful says:

    While sifting through the archives in preparing for my memoir (or, as the French like to say, memoire), I came across this item which illustrates the foolhardiness of trying to predict the future, however reasonable the set of assumptions used to support it.
    In future, when I am about to peer into the future, I will make an effort to have more facts in my possession — and not include Gomez as a factor.
    (In retrospect, it appears I underestimated the Canadiens’ fondness for injuries and will be sure to have more realistic IR projections in any forecast of the team’s forthcoming fortunes, a minimum 500 man-games lost being a good starting point.)

    JohnBellyful
    May 12, 2011 7:04 pm at 7:04 pm

    Lots of excitement over Yemelin joining the team next season. Got to admit, I’ve also been bitten by the Alexei bug – a variant of the last infection that caused Hab fans to swoon, but this one’s in the back end.
    With Yemelin joining the team that clinches Markov re-signing, right? Yeah, okay, I’m buyin’ it.
    Along with a lot of other stuff that’s goin’ to move whatever’s in that glass closer to the brim. No more of this half-full, half-empty stuff (actually, how full do they fill the Stanley Cup with champagne?).
    So what do we have to look forward to for 2011-12, when compared to the regular season just completed? If we make the following assumptions:

    With Markov in the line-up for a full season and Yemelin on board – 4 more wins EASILY
    Pacioretty plays full season in same form before injury/assault/hockey play – 2 more wins
    Bounce-back year for Cammalleri, fewer penalty kills for Plekanek so he can devote more time to offence – 2 more wins
    Continued development of Subban, Desharnais, Eller – 1 more win
    Two of Scott Gomez’s seven goals were game-winners, about 30 per cent; so if he gets 10 goals – 1 more win
    Year Three of System – 1 more win

    That’s 11 more wins, folks, 55 in total. 110 points. Minimum.
    This summer can’t come and go fast enough.
    Glass half-full? My flagon’s spilled over.

    LA Loyalist
    May 12, 2011 7:16 pm at 7:16 pm

    When I think of the games we MAILED IN last year, in po-dunk dumps like Columbus, Atlanta, Florida… and LEAFS that’s at least 10 points right there and I’d like to think that with Markov back some of our floaters will be held a bit more accountable.
    The most important adjustment we need to make is mental, we need to HATE TO LOSE to ANYONE.

    JohnBellyful
    May 12, 2011 7:28 pm at 7:28 pm

    The unstated assumption is that the team will remain relatively healthy. I’ve got them down for 57 man-games lost. Unrealistic?
    No, not the first month, I mean the whole season. Yeah, the WHOLE season. Is that an issue?

  40. mark_ID says:

    Pacioretty Desharnais Cole
    Parise(6.5Mil) Eller Yakupov
    Parenteau(4.1Mil) Plekanec Gionta(Shut down line)
    Staubitz White Moen

    It will be done…..oh yes…it will be done!!

    “Step off George”

    • naweed235 says:

      sorry to kill your dreams but:
      - Parise is not coming here
      - PArenteau suffered a pretty bad knee injury in last night’s game that could very well put his next season in jeopardy
      - Yakupov is going 1st overall and there is a 14% chance that MTL gets him

      But A for effort nonetheless

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Actually, Mr. Parenteau sprained his ankle on the play. He should be healthy in time to put in a good summer training program and be ready for training camp in a bleu blanc et rouge uniform.

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        • naweed235 says:

          thanks for the clarification with the injury. When I saw the video it looked like a pretty serious knee injury and I really felt bad for the guy. 1 game left before he becomes UFA and make some pretty good cash and that happens… sheeshhh

      • mark_ID says:

        Haha…yea I know all it is is a dream.

        Ever since Parise made comments to the USA world juniors team about how he hopes they beat the Canadians because they are all cocky(or something to that affect) I just don`t think he wants to play in Canada….let alone Montreal. Too bad, that would be one hell of a lineup

        “Step off George”

    • Mike D says:

      Not trying to burst your bubble, but what makes you think Parise will sign for only 6.5mil when he’s the best (and only) offensively talented player in this year’s FA pool, who will be sought after by just about every team in the league with enough cap space to sign him?

      Don’t be surprised if Parise signs for roughly 8mil/year, although a lot will depend on the term. If he gets one of those stupid 10+ year deals where the cap hit at the end is greatly reduced, then he may have a lower cap hit in the 5-6mil range.

      - Honestly yours
      Twitter: @de_benny

      • mark_ID says:

        Yea I know, of course it is a long shot….I was just putting my dreams to paper.

        As for Parise, he`s only gotten 68 points this year. If he gets 8mil per…..that will truly be ridiculous. That is superstar money, which he is not. But you are right, considering he is one of the few quality point getting UFA`s this year….he will be highly sought after, and someone like Burke will throw stupid money towards him.

        We do have a ton of cap space once Gomez hits Hamilton though. That gives me some hope that we will be able to lure some quality UFA`s.

        “Step off George”

    • steve17 says:

      I think I woud rather trade for the rights to Radulov if he does well in the playoffs instead of going after Parise. Parise will end up obtaining too large a contract since he is pretty much the only decent UFA forward available. If Montreal drafts either Grigorenko or Galchenyuk, it might make sense to have Radulov on their line, if they are good enough to make it next season. Add in Avtsin and you have the “RED” line as the 2nd line behind Pacman, DD and Cole. Give nashville a 4th round pick to his rights and Plekanec if he signs. Then the 3rd line could be Parenteau, Eller and Blunden. Trade Gionta. I like your 4th line.

      Habfan17

      • Mike D says:

        Have a quick peek at Avtsin’s numbers in Hamilton this year. At this point he’s better suited to 2nd line duty in the ECHL than the NHL.

        That said, I hope he realizes the potential many say he has. The Habs could sure use it.

        - Honestly yours
        Twitter: @de_benny

        • steve17 says:

          Don’t forget he was getting used to a new country and system. He put up big points in Russia and the while team sucked in Hamilton this season. Some players need to play with skilled guys to be successful.

          Habfan17

          • Mike D says:

            He played in Hamilton last year too.

            I’m not saying the guy sucks and always will or anything, but as of right now, he’s FAR from an NHL player….and barely an AHLer.

            - Honestly yours
            Twitter: @de_benny

  41. jols101 says:

    I think the system the NHL has in place for the Draft Drawings is a good one. Why complicate things even furthure as some have suggested below.
    I believe The Tank is over hyped. Look at last nights games – Habs got a point, Leafs got 2, Isles got 2, Aneheim got 2, and the Oilers got 1.
    Teams and Players are still trying to win. Playing for Pride and Contracts will trump a high pick every time. Teams end up in the Lottery because they are not very good, not because they are Tanking. If a team does embrace the Tank, i think the system the NHL has in place is adequate to ensure a 1st overall pick is not a garuntee…

  42. psycnerd says:

    This is interesting. Given this system, the higher your ranking in the draft lottery, the more likely you are to drop a position, even though it seems as though you have the best chance of “winning.”

    Excluding the first and last two ranked teams, the most likely scenario is staying put; the next most likely scenario is moving down a position, and the least likely scenario is winning the draft. The weightings of these probabilities change depending on your position. It’s all laid out in this table.

    Percent Chance of:
    Rank – Winning Lottery – Moving Down – Maintaining Position
    1st - 25.00% - 51.80% - 48.20%
    2nd - 18.80% - 39.20% - 42.00%
    3rd - 14.20% - 29.70% - 56.10%
    4th - 10.70% - 22.60% - 66.70%
    5th - 8.10% - 17.20% - 74.70%
    6th - 6.20% - 13.10% - 80.70%
    7th - 4.70% - 9.90% - 85.40%
    8th - 3.60% - 7.40% - 89.00%
    9th - 2.70% - 5.50% - 91.80%
    10th - 2.10% - 3.90% - 94.00%
    11th - 1.50% - 2.40% - 96.10%
    12th - 1.10% - 1.30% - 97.60%
    13th - 0.80% - 0.50% - 98.70%
    14th - 0.50% - 0.00% - 99.50%

  43. JF says:

    A very good piece by Pierre Houde on what went wrong this season:

    http://www.rds.ca/canadien/chroniques/338175.html

  44. Rob says:

    After what has been, by far, the most miserable season that many of us have ever experienced, it is nice to have some sort of consolation prize to look forward to. That being said, I’m fearful for what the expectation of Habs fans will do to whomever is chosen in June. Nothing is easy in Montreal

    The Montreal Canadiens: sporting the best AND worst fans since 1909!y

    • Bill says:

      If you’ve got the goods, and management is careful, the pressure of playing in a big market with lots of scrutiny isn’t going to hurt you.

      Fans were all over Guy Lafleur in his early seasons. He did just fine.

      I really think there is too much anxiety about the “incredible pressure” of playing in Montreal. It’s a feeling produced by the fact that the Canadiens have the most passionate fans in the NHL. Even in Toronto, which is a close second, the fans are not as demanding (a couple of generations of futility will do that to a fanbase).

      But look at other sports, other leagues: players cope with the pressure of playing for the Yankees, the Steelers, the Celtics, Man United … to name just a few.

      What the Habs need is to get back to being consistently competitive for the Cup: then the occasional media irritation or boos can be shrugged off. When the Habs are middle-of-the-pack or bottom feeders like now, it is probably harder to take.

      I never heard of a ball player who said, “Eff this, I’m gonna go play for the Diamondbacks so I can get these Yankees fans off my back!”

      Deep down, most GOOD players (the only ones worth having too) want to play for a major team with real fans.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

      • ont fan says:

        The problem is Dionne did so well in Detroit, which was a poor team, that it over shadowed Lafleur. This will be the problem with our draft pick if he doesn’t shine right away. The pressure from the fan base. We want to win the draft or it’s a mistake.

      • Rob says:

        I agree with what you’re saying about how great players desire to play in the big markets. i do think, however, that in a time where people are inundated with immediate feedback and criticism, and in combination with the fact that the new generation of athletes have a greater sense of entitlement, it has become more difficult than ever to DRAFT the “great” players that you are talking about. Even look at the teams you mentioned. United have continued to succeed, but have not had the same success turning out supreme young talent in recent years. The same can be said for the Yankees and the Celtics who have had to built primarily through free agency and trades. So i still believe that breaking out in a market like Montreal, as a highly rated prospect with high expectations, is more difficult for a young player than it would be in smaller market with fewer expectations

        The Montreal Canadiens: sporting the best AND worst fans since 1909!

  45. ProHabs says:

    Who will be the representative for the Habs at the draft. I would like to see someone who will do a fist pump right in Burkie’s face.

  46. 24 Cups says:

    I posted this idea about a month ago.

    Let the 14 teams who miss the playoffs go into a full lottery situation where they are ranked from 1-14 by means of a blind draw. This would be similar to the Crosby lockout draft of 2005.

    Then do the same with the first eight teams who are eliminated from the first round of the playoffs. That lottery would decide the picks from 15-22.

    Once the Cup is decided, do the same for the final remaining eight playoff teams so that their lottery draw would decide spots 23-30.

    This new draft format would still help out the weaker teams while maintaining the integrity of the game and the regular season.

    • Habshire says:

      I would like to offer a modification to your format.

      Of the teams out of the playoffs, group them according to the number of consecutive years they have been out of the playoffs.

      3 teams 5 years out finish 1, 2, 3.
      2 teams 4 years out finish 4, 5.
      4 teams 3 years out finish 6, 7, 8, 9.
      etc. etc.

      The leafs would obviously be guaranteed first pick this year but I think it’s fair and a team like Pittsburgh couldn’t tank one year pick up the first pick and return to glory.

      • Mike D says:

        I actually have the opposite preference. If your team is a consistant cellar-dwellar, then too f’n bad for you. I don’t think any team should be allowed to pick 1st overall in consecutive years…notwithstanding acquired picks through trades or anything like that.

        Edmonton shouldn’t be allowed to pick anywhere near the top 5 this year. If they can’t put together a decent team with all their young studs and millions in free cap space, why should they be rewarded with more lottery picks?

        - Honestly yours
        Twitter: @de_benny

        • JF says:

          My feelings exactly. If a team picks first overall one year, there ought to be a mechanism by which they fall back (say to middle of the pack – or something) the next year if they finish at the bottom. Edmonton has had five high picks in the last few years – Gagner, Eberle, Hall, Paajarvi, Nugent-Hopkins. They shouldn’t be allowed to just keep doing it. The current edition of the Penguins was built by sitting at the bottom for about five years and picking Fleury, Crosby, Malkin, Staal, and Letang. That degree of suckitude should not be rewarded year after year.

          • Strummer says:

            +10

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  47. matt jordan says:

    If the Leafs win the lottery and jump ahead of the Habs i’m gonna snap.

  48. Habshire says:

    Thanks Stu.

    The only thing I don’t like about the lottery is the balls fall behind closed doors. All we see is Daly opening an envelope. I think it would be more dramatic if we actually watched the balls fall not to mention the integrity could not be questioned.

    • frozengolf says:

      Agreed, it should be open to public scrutiny.

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      • Muckbringer says:

        nhl democracy? not likely. each games outcome is determined by who can make more money. imagine the olg with zero transparenty.
        at this point i would think a stranger giving me back a $50 i dropped in the street would be more likely than an nhl game being called by the rules and in black and white.
        dont believe me? were picking fourth on tuesday.

    • mrhabby says:

      Keep the balls private…thank you very much

    • Whatever says:

      My balls have been falling for years. No one wants to see that.


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