Don’t buy your QC season tickets just yet

• Nordiques renascent? Red Fisher is not on the bandwagon

• And in La Presse, Yves Boisvert has his doubts. Boisvert cites a New York Times story on the sad saga of Meadowlands Stadium

• Here we go again: PQ MNA links the Canadiens to dastardly federalism

• Has Pierre Gauthier heard about this? Vancouver GM Mike Gillis plans to use Twitter 

• But Dan Ellis is off Twitter because of this debacle. Last night Elis Tweeted: “I am shutting down my twitter because in no way shape or form do I want to disrupt my team.” 

• Our old friend J.T. has great analysis of the Jeff Halpern signing

• And Mathieu Darche is happy his former TB teammate is with the Canadiens

Josh Gorges skated in Brossard and talked to Marc Antoine Godin

Jaro meets and greets in St. Louis. Think it will draw 5,000 fans?

Sidney Crosby goes yard to the tune of 360 feet. Can Ovechkin do that?

Pierre LeBrun is back from vacay, says Lightning will make the playoffs

361 Comments

  1. observer says:

    Re: “Small and medium size businesses are more important”  — Exactly how Gainey and Gauthier think concerning forwards.

  2. BJT says:

    If you’re in Al Queda, sure.

     

    Formerly known as Camel_Larry..
    ..”No more Looser on this teams!!” – Canadienboy

  3. observer says:

    Plus the profit on Halak sweaters.

  4. BJT says:

    Yes, I would. I am considering the military as a career option.

     

    Formerly known as Camel_Larry..
    ..”No more Looser on this teams!!” – Canadienboy

  5. observer says:

    usa used to be an isolationist country. staying out of world war one till late and out of ww 2 only 2 years late after pearl harbor was attacked. do you think englend, canada, usa in 1941 were wrong going to fight hitler? you think it was none of their business?

  6. Danno says:

    More than one hundred thousand Japanese civilians were killed in the
    initial bombing and hundreds of thousands of others affected for decades
    to come. But hey, it was worth it because those innocent civilians lives were worth much less than American soldiers’ lives.

    To date, more than 65 years after the bombings the U.S. government has refused to apologize to the Japanese people for this act.

     

    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  7. observer says:

    Sure changed the newspaper business. Good for conservation of trees though.

  8. observer says:

    No cap? Same cap for each province?

  9. observer says:

    Worse! Their GM lives in Vermont.

  10. The Capitalist Pig says:

    I take it that you are of the opinion that we should have launched a conventional naval-based attack on the Japanese mainland? As one of Truman’s advisers told him, if you do that and we lose hundreds of thousands of men in the operation, the American people will lynch you after the war if they find out about the bomb. Frankly, I agree with Donald Rumsfeld that we should have dropped a few haymakers on the Afghans after 9/11. OK, so we would have gotten stick in the UN for a month. It still would have saved a lot of grief on both sides of our border.

  11. Mr_MacDougall says:

    So you would market to tourist coming to Vegas to go see an NHL game as opposed to all the other lavish Entertainment being offered? The competition for tourist dollars in Vegas is more intense than any other market imaginable. Saying “market it correctly” could be used to make any idea seem succesful.. creating a marketing strategy seems impossible to me….. especially when you have 840,000 tickets to sell to tourists!

  12. Mr_MacDougall says:

    Interesting.. Me and my girlfiend travel to Mtl at least once per season to see 2 games at a time.. given the division a Hali team was in I would bet my house that (assuming in a canadian division) all 3 hoome Habs, Leafs, Sens games would sell out. Add in Pens and Caps.. they are sell outs. Also the three west teams would be sellouts. so that is 15 of 41 home games as “garanteed” sell outs. PEI has the highest millionaire per capita in Canada.

    As for corporate sponsorship, most arena naming rights are sold to national companies and has nothing to do with local. The Majority of local corporate dollars is spent on luxury boxes as opposed to sponsorship. In rink advertisement is normally national companies that are paying for it (at a premium) during nationally broadcast games. The local advertising dollars are minimal.

  13. Danno says:

    The U.S. is a much bigger threat to world security than North Korea.

    And they dropped the atomic bomb twice already.

     

    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  14. JD_ says:

    Must be losin’ my knack for subtlety.

  15. JD_ says:

    For all this talk about Harper & Co., not much heed is bein’ given to Pierre-Karl Peladeau. Love him or hate him, I’d just never underestimate him.

    You’ll recall PKP and his gang were neck-in-neck with the Molson consortium in tryin’ to buy the Habs from Gillett, somethin’ I have no doubt for which the latter is eternally grateful. Who doesn’t love a tacit auction? It’s always good for bidness.

    PKP is a lot like his dad was, minus the bowl of Corn Flakes®. Driven and tenacious come to mind. Although it sometimes leads to bad business decisions, it is a trait that makes a person go after things tooth and claw. The fact that the province has committed to a new arena, and that the feds are potentially mullin’ the same, says to me the guy is dead serious about this.

    PKP has a fiduciary responsibility to those who might look to partner with him in the purchase of a team. It requires that he shake every tree before plowin’ ahead. Why not take taxpayers’ money if it is made available to you? Like Kovy II, he’d be crazy to not take the cash. PKP doesn’t want to own the building – absent an NHL team it is less than worthless – he wants to put his capital in the more liquid asset, namely the NHL team.

    It doesn’t make it right. It’s just the realpolitik of the pro sports arena business. Few teams in the NHL can realistically afford to pull off what the Molsons did the last time their brewin’ conglomerate owned the Habs.

    It gets worse. Pierre-Karl has all sorts of self-interested plans for those who might otherwise want to purchase the Nordiques product. Bell Centre tickets and beer prices might be high, but at least you can watch the games on the flat screen for a relatively modest price. Caveat emptor, however, for you ‘Diquers.

    I said this a few days ago: This is an igloo-chested juggernaut. Not some pie-in-the-sky fantasy.

    Knowin’ this, it’s goin’ to be very difficult for Harper to ignore PKP. And, frankly, the calculus suggests Stephen has little to worry about disgruntled voters in the Prairies runnin’ into the arms of Michael or Jack – yeah, sure – in particular after he showers more dollars over everythin’ from the oilsands to the fields and fields of wheat.

    Oh, and a bettin’ man says that, should the feds step up to the plate, it will be structured like a loan – the kinda loan your rich uncle might give you -  but a loan nevertheless. Look for the word loan to be sprinkled about the press release like rice at a weddin’.

  16. Bash says:

    Quebec currently receives 60% of all transfer payments paid out to the entire country. 

     

    “If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.” (anon)

  17. StevieRay says:

    Sports Illustrated…although not a lot of hockey

    i used to get The Sporting News..it wasn’t a bad rag to read ..good indepth hockey section

  18. Psycho29 says:

    We could drop an arena on them!

  19. Kristopher7 says:

    Le député du Parti québécois, Pierre Curzi, estime que le Canadien de Montréal n’est plus un symbole identitaire fort pour les Québécois et qu’il est même devenu fédéraliste.”

     

    -_-

  20. Psycho29 says:

    I remember falling down those stairs at Les Deesses!!!!

  21. SLONCOLD says:

    quebec has tons of civil servants because of the following:

    - revenue canada isn’t good enough we need revenue quebec

    - immigration canada isn’t good enough, we need quebec immigration

    - gotta measure signs to make sure the english is smaller than the french

    amoung many more things….

     

     

    Small and medium size businesses are more important because they are the ones actually paying all these taxes you talk about and are teh backboone of our economy… Big corporations have lots of little ins and outs that help them avoid paying the big taxes via creative accounting and lawyers….

    Anyways i’m saying i’m not in favor of any provincial tax dollars or federal dollars going into the project. If teh municiple government wants to tax their own pople in QC and they agree to it fine with them… It’s bad enough montrealers had to pay over 1 billion for that olympic stadium… just don’t feel like paying for another city’s hockey team…

  22. habsfan321 says:

    Shameless self promotion aside, I’m giving away 3 digital copies of The Hockey News to one of my followers… (Amazon.ca NHL 11 preorder bonus) only 14 people are entered so far, so your chances of winning are farily high! Follow and retweet: http://twitter.com/habsfan324/status/23954999402

  23. Everlasting1 says:

    Exactly. Why get involved? The U.S. have invested interest and have accepted the role of foreign ‘policing’ the world. Would YOU ‘stand up for them’ and ‘serve’? Would your sons/daughters?

    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  24. BJT says:

    Yeah ’cause I mean if North Korea goes on a nuke spree on South Korea, we wouldn’t wanna, you know, stand up for them or anything. We’d watch hockey in our shiny new arena.

     

    Formerly known as Camel_Larry..
    ..”No more Looser on this teams!!” – Canadienboy

  25. Danno says:

    That is the voice of Harper’s base talking. Harper could conceivably lose his base as well as the votes he is so desperately trying to buy in Quebec because many will feel offended by his attempts to pander to hockey fans with federal money.

     

    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  26. Everlasting1 says:

    Call Cammy’s or Halpern’s accountants. I hear they are good.

     

    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  27. observer says:

    TSN –

    CALGARY – Alberta Premier Ed Stelmach has made short work of any suggestion that his province will be forking over some cash to help build new hockey arenas in Edmonton and Calgary.

    Stelmach was commenting on suggestions that Ottawa might be ready to spend 180-million dollars to help build a new arena in the hope of bringing N-H-L back to Quebec City.

  28. Everlasting1 says:

    Is that some cheap ploy to get one to divulge? If you must know I’m a skilled tradesman. Does that satisfy your curiosity? ”Living off the tax-payers” is an oxymoron as we ARE tax payers for a reason. Who needs sheep herders when the sheep herd themselves?

    This ‘demigod’ you keep referring to must also have concluded your ‘special’ status on this site.

     

    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  29. Storm Man says:

    Call this guy 514-954-8789 I call him Mr Loophole he knows his stuff ask for Will.

     

    The main ingredient in stardom is the rest of the team.

  30. sholi2000.com says:

    Before the internet I was a 15 year subscriber.  Now reading paper is almost obsolete in our family. 

    They Call Me Shane

  31. Chuck says:

    Ahhh… the old “roofie-colada” trick!

  32. WarHero says:

    Nothing at all, infact, I’ll kick it out of the way for us :)

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  33. RGM says:

    I’m on a 4-issue trial thanks to the cereal box promotion. The crossword was fun at least.

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    Josh Gorges for Captain!

  34. petrov14 says:

    Ouch! Start over, demand a trade? Sink the TML ship from within??

    ______________________________________ Gionta for Captain.

  35. mike g says:

    I’ve been getting their scrap for 3 years now…

    The only reason why I keep signing up is for the crossword puzzle on the last page. Also, the fantasy pool guide is kinda worth it too.

    But if you’re looking for them to praise anything related to the Habs, cancel right now. Never happens, and they only like to focus on PIT, WSH, TOR, PHI, and CHI.

    I think in the 75+ magazines I’ve recieved, there were roughly 5-7 articles about the Habs or featuring one of our players.

    Pathetic if you ask me. Each issue should cover one divison, and rotate. This way they’d publish about 4-5 articles per year per team.

     

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

     I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  36. SeriousFan09 says:

    My father’s best joke: Everyone’s a liberal until they actually pay out on their tax returns.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  37. JD_ says:

    Well, my guy obviously sucks.

  38. Chorske says:

    I can expect a hard day’s work from everyone on the Habs.

    The bigger question is whether that expectation will be met.

  39. SmartDog says:

    What’s one letter bewteen friends?

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    Listen to the SmartDog. He knows his poop!

  40. SmartDog says:

    That wasn’t supposed to be in the article and was misquoted. When Burke said “scoring punch” he meant slipping some tequila into the punch bowl at his family reunion.  

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  41. SmartDog says:

    Just got my trial copy of The Hockey News.  Cover story on Jethro Phaneuf, and inside a story on how brilliant, charismatic and hard working Boucher is.  Pretty much a downer front to back.   Guess I won’t be renewing.

     

     

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  42. Danno says:

    Yes, I prefer our jobs and taxes remain in Canada too. By investing in education, health, public transit and roads the majority of the money remains here. Not so much with weapons and war-planes.

     

    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  43. HabFanSince72 says:

    PG  certainly pays Canadian Federal income tax. He might be able to avoid Quebec tax however. He will certainly avoid Montreal property tax, but that is not necessarily lower in the US.

     

     

  44. SeriousFan09 says:

    Leafs and scoring punch… I have two nephews under the age of 5 who are more likely to knock away home runs with their wiffle bats.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  45. HabFanSince72 says:

    We like to hold the Habs to a higher standard than that.

  46. Mark C says:

    Some high comedy here.

    “MacArthur can add some scoring punch to a very thin top six forward group.” Top six scoring punch can be found in players who have never scored 20 goals in a season?  

    “Presuming they would trade Kaberle, the Leafs had earlier signed free agent to add defensive depth and fill what they expected would be a vacancy on the blueline.” Is this saying Burke wasted cap and roster space on Lebda because he didn’t trade Kaberle? Can you imagine if BG or PG signed some mediocre player as insurance, and then never needed that insurance? 

     

  47. Storm Man says:

    MR MAGOO yes it is 10 mil per year in taxes. The building is worth 230 mil or more BTW.

     

    The main ingredient in stardom is the rest of the team.

  48. joeybarrie says:

    Depends on where the fighter jets are built and how much of that 4 billion goes right BACK into the govt pockets…

    The employees pay income tax, the part bought are taxed, and the company making the parts have their own tax. The company as a whole gets taxed, and HOPEFULLY we have a multi billion dollar company making deals for jobs and taxes to STAY IN CANADA…

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  49. joeybarrie says:

    UM HELLO MCFLY????? Mentioned in the FIRST LINE…..

    Is it really 10 million on a building worth 81 million. Even higher than I originally thought.

    Tax on the tickets it sells to Celine Dion… EVEN has tax on the ticket agent fee….

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  50. observer says:

    TSN on your favorite team to hate _ __—_——__-  http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=333195

  51. Storm Man says:

    Don’t forget get about the 10 mil in tax the Molson’s have to pay per year for the Molson centre.

     

    The main ingredient in stardom is the rest of the team.

  52. StevieRay says:

    agree….

    But will JM listen ?? time will tell ..!

  53. Danno says:

    Good points, however money spent on building an arena is a far, far better inverstment than fighting an endless war in Afghanistan or purchasing JSF fighter jets for $4 billion.

     

    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  54. HardHabits says:

    You can tell who are the tax-payers and the ones living off of the taxpayers in this forum.

    I’d love to know what Everlasting1 (formerly demigod) does for a living.

  55. B says:

    Woops, those percentages should have been 45%, 45% and 10%.

  56. joeybarrie says:

    When has the government worried about these things then???  Why do we still have more civil servants than the state of California in Quebec and 6 times LESS the population?

    You can still use the taxes in the long run to set up these small and medium sized business’ and their profitability will probably be higher because of the larger stream of income and opportunity.

    Why do people then not want to amalgomate into one island one city??? Is it because you want to have a larger control over whener the money goes, and in effect have more people working for the city, getting less done and lowering the tax pool for other programs?

    Why are these small and medium sized business’ more important than the larger one that it will create? Including concessions, marketing, advertising, tourism, etc, etc…

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  57. habaddict_andy says:

    Good point Joey.  This is a clear case of jumping to conclusion, it happens to the best of us.  But considering the taxes it will generate afterwards, it is a good investment government wise.

    Also could win some votes for Harper Government, couldn’t help.

  58. pic1983 says:

    Well technically, they should be paying closer to 50%.  I used 40% to account for taxation loopholes.  I definitely doubt that their taxation rate is lower than 35%.  They are salaried employees by legitimate companies.  There’s only so many deductions they can claim.   

  59. HardHabits says:

    Hey but Lisette (nee Lapointe) Parizeau did buy a whole bunch of Nordiques merchandise!!!

  60. joeybarrie says:

    I know that there is a popular conception out there on millionaires paying a guy who can perform miracles and erase all the tax laws in the country. However, it is grossly over stated. There are limitations to any tax shelter you try to park your money in. Also remember that many of the tax shelters are fund where profits and interest go to the government anyways. Try to also remember that professional athletes pay a manager and an agent and a personal trainer, etc, etc… These guys pay taxes too… Then they pay the same taxes when they buy cars, and boats, and dinner, and drinks, and on and on and on…

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  61. Malreg says:

    I took Pittsburgh and the first trade I made was Staal, Goligoski and a draft pick for Cammy and Subban :p

  62. WarHero says:

    You mean Basu? If so, then yes, he sure did say the same things :)

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  63. SLONCOLD says:

    Big picture you say? how about the big picture of not wanting to pay for an arena in QC with my tax dollars?

    tons of small and medium size businesses could use the money for grow and development… Should the City buy the team too? where do we drop the line. Way more important things in our province to worry about than an arena in QC

  64. HardHabits says:

    Not according to observer/Tony. According to him PG is living it up in Vermont at the expense of the Canadian tax-payer.

  65. HardHabits says:

    Doesn’t matter. Both articles are ripped from HIO posts anyways. ;-)

  66. zozotheclown says:

    I started yesterday and it updated, all I did was try one xbox live game and it auto updates your roster, everything seems perfect except we didn’t have Halpern, which makes sense because it just happened. All of Boyd, Bergeron, and Sergei were in the right places. They used to be bad with roster updates but they’ve done alot better recently.

    My problem is that I started a “Be a Pro”, did well, went 2nd overall, and now I’m a Leaf…. What do I do lol?

  67. joeybarrie says:

    Either way, if the government was not going to use your 200 million in health and education to begin with, I guess your argument ended before you stated it.

    My point is, using 200 million to create an EXTRA 100 million in taxes yearly is clearly a good investment. How much are the casinos raking in???

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  68. SmartDog says:

    JT’s article is pretty good sure…. but it seems like Batu pretty much said all the same things first no?

     

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  69. Rice Miller says:

    Well if Burke was using the “P” word in reference to Komisarek, I’m guessing ‘pussy’

  70. HabFanSince72 says:

    The problem with that headline is no one ever says “expect an honest day’s work” about a talented player. It’s to hockey players what  “nice personality” is to matchmaking.

     

  71. HabFanSince72 says:

    By and large, if you earn income in Canada you pay tax in Canada, no matter where your primary residence is.

  72. Tremblant Habs Fan says:

    I live an hour away but try and get a monthly fix at Marathons, but it’s been many moons since I’ve been to the “disease”.

  73. avatar_58 says:

    Yeah, Hall has this Bullwinkle look to him.

  74. avatar_58 says:

    Yeah but all that micromanagement doesn’t float my boat. I just want to play the games themselves.


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