Did the Canadiens err on Gorges?

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Pat Hickey wonders if the team should have gone longer term.
Instead, the defenceman will become part of difficult negotiations for Pierre Gauthier in 2012. (Photo by Mike Cassese/Reuters)

Yvon Pedneault likes the Gorges contract

Steven Hindle on the cap situation

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  2. HabsPEI31 says:

    Okay, honestly?

    Mr. Gorges has played the last x number of seasons on a bump knee, a knee which required surgery this past December/January… or whenever, I’m terrible with dates.

    If Mr. Gorges can play at a level equal to or higher – now he’s been “fixed” – than the level at which he saw him play at the end of the 2009-10 season AND playoffs (think Ovi and Crosby shutdowns), and leading into 2010-11?

    Well then… We’ve AGAIN got a defenceman with qualities no other player on this team has demonstrated within a similar package, with similar heart, character, will, and determination.

    How many guys on this team would have finished the play on the ice after taking a point slapshot off his knee, when he’s clearly hobbling, but will finish his shift, because if he doesn’t, the team will be short on the ice while he hobbles to the bench?

    How many guys have taken a puck off their HELMET, in the least padded area, which was clearly dented by said puck, and missed no more than a shift or two?

    Gorges has more heart and reserve than most NHL players playing for more money. To me, he’s still a bargain at 2.5m.

    “Only a goalie can appreciate what a goalie goes through.” – Jacques Plante

  3. ClaytonM says:

    IMO, management would be negligent if it did not do everything to limit the risk to the organization. If Gorges’ surgery has complications during training, camp, exhibition or early in the season, how many would be here and in press scrums pontificating about how Gauthier made an error in signing an injury-prone player long term?

    That being said, if I was GM for a Day, I’d let Gorges get 20-40 games under his belt and start talking about a 5 year deal, once it’s proven the knees are 100%. He’s someone you can build a defense corps around, not as much as Markov or Subban (in a few years) plus by many reports the guy who should have been given the C, if the players voted.

    Ken Dryden For NHL Commissioner

  4. 44har48 says:

    Oh my…I am beginning to think Josh Gorges has some compromising photo of Pat Hickey or something…really, Pat? What has this guy done on the ice that warrants the Habs taking on 2 risky contracts in MArkov, whom they had to do, and this guy? I know teh knee will probbably be fine but “proably” comes with risk I’m not willing to take on this guy.

    And one other thing, I think we are going a little too far with the off the ice leadership thing with these guys – Gill, Gorges, etc. Yes that is important but we have a ton of vetern leaders, some that use their mouths and some that use there stick, and we also have a coaching staff that are supposed to be leaders. I like to spend my cap money on talent for the ice and hire good coaching for leadership and the such…that’s just me.

    I think this deal is perfect, and Josh will get his eventually if he is as valuable as we think he is – and hopefully our prospects work out and we actually do not need him past next year :).

    • ClaytonM says:

      To add to my post above, here’s why I respectfully disagree with yours, 44. I understand Gorges is not the next #4 Bobby Orr. Nobody is. What Gorges brings to the table as a stay-at-home D man is not as glamorous as Subban or Markov either. But keep in mind the yeoman work he put in against the Caps & Pens 16 months ago. Also, your sentiment seems to be that many players in today’s NHL are easily replaced. While that may be true, you lose out on an intangible – the fan support for a player who has been with our team for years. The other way to go, in your view (?) is to deal away our talent for equal talent every so often. As much as I’d skip the GM lynching if we dealt PK Subban for Drew Doughty, considering it to be a coup for our team, I’d still miss PK.

      Some players, the ones with heart and who never take a night off, can’t be quantified simply on a score sheet. Even if you’re the franchise player with an $8m contract, what would go through your mind when you see a teammate lose 7 teeth and not miss a shift, when that player is only making the league minimum? Gorges is that kind of player.

      Ken Dryden For NHL Commissioner

      • 44har48 says:

        Sorry for the dealy, crazy couple of days…I see your point, and you have my sentiment correct. I like to benchmark and change frequently, always striving to improve by getting all the pieces to line up perfectly. Stay young, realize the cap situation, move guys through and live by the fact that in the pros, the standard is the standard no matter who is on the ice/field/court. To your point, there does need to be balance because off paper, there is value in all the intangbles. Too much change is not a great thing either…

        Josh, for me, falls into a category that just in not in his favor. Defensive Dmen are invaluable, but have no leverege when it comes to term and $ for contracts unless they are elite and have a long resume – this league loves offense. And simply, too much risk for me to get both bum knees long term right now. I had to pick one and I suspect PG had to as well for now.

        I do value and like this guy, his work in our playoff run a couple yrs ago was outstanding – as was his defence partner – and I do think our PK suffered when he was out, not that we cant find someone to eventually replace that:) I’m looking for Yemelin to be a better Josh Gorges/Mike Komisarik after this year.

  5. MTLForever says:

    Congrats Ian for getting the Summit event handled! Hope everyone has a great time and a Habs victory along with it.

    Most importantly, GO HABS GO!

  6. Tony McLean says:

    Not necessarily so. Gorgeous may be long gone by 2012. Does he scare and anger and distract forwards the way Chelios and Ludwig did? Or Dave Manson?

    “Make love not war.”
    - Jacques “Fonda” Martin & Pierre “Buddha” Gauthier

    • sanj91 says:

      Is that the criteria for being a Habs defenceman? In fact, I think we’ll see an improvement in his physical play this year given that he claims he feels stronger than ever. With Gorges, it’s not so much that he doesn’t want to go into the corners with a big forward. He does it on a regular basis, but gets overpowered many times. Hopefully, we’ll see an improvement in that aspect this season.

      “When a homeless guy knows his hockey, you know you’re in Montreal” – Hal Gill

  7. SeriousFan09 says:

    Puck Prospectus, a slightly unconventional take on the prospect world with their own criteria has a rating for the Top 10 prospects in the Habs organization.

    http://bit.ly/qU5d4D

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
    SF09 on Twitter

    • Chrisadiens says:

      Wow….they are pretty down on Tinordi huh? I also thought Leblanc was projected better than that.

      Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

    • Steven says:

      Seems like they’re giving the short end of it to all the prospects. Leblanc as a third liner sounds like blasphemy, let alone the other weak projections they made.

      • 44har48 says:

        I have to tell you, and I am not even a couch GM, but I have had the luxury of seeing a lot of our prospects play over the last couple of years…I’m not high on Leblanc at all – and he is not even at the AHL level yet. I would be very surprised if that kid made it to a 3rd line in the NHL. But I am very high on some of our other prospects, particularily guys that don’t “appear” to be doing much like Avstin, who will be a top 2 line winger and Engqvist, who will also be top 6 when they both get NA and the smaller ice down. I like Kristo if he was just a little bigger and I even like Pelushaj better than Leblanc.

        I am not impressed with our D prospects (not the ones in NHL, Weber, Subban, Yemelin, Diaz), but admittadly, I have not been able to see them much, and have never seen Tinordi or the kid we just drafted.

        Take my comments for what they are worth, which is not much, but the point is that not everyone thinks this Leblanc kid will even make the pros – he is not a 3rd or 4th line prototype and I can’t see him in the Top 6 unless he progresses immensly – which he very well could.

    • Marc10 says:

      Would love to know how this guy rated Subban in junior and then in the AHL… or Max Pac for that matter.

      I doubt he was even close…

      “To be irreplaceable, you have to be different”.
      Andy Warhol

      Go PK Go!

  8. JIMVINNY says:

    I think this contract will work out perfectly. When next July 1 rolls around, and Josh signs elsewhere, PG will be breathing a sigh of relief that he didn’t sign JG to a 4 year, 3 mil per contract. Josh Gorges is like Tom Kostopolous; Everyone loves these guys, because they wear their hearts on their sleeves, and are the epitomy of “taking one for the team”.

    But lets not kid ourselves – they are replaceable, and easily so. Sure, there’ll be pissing and moaning about letting him leave, over a paltry $250’000, but have no fear; 2 months into the following season, some other undrafted, captain-of-his-junior-team, heart-and-soul tough-luck case, will be the new Bell Centre Darling. We’ll watch Josh play for his new team, wish him well, but he won’t really be missed.

    • Adam says:

      I don’t know about that. Sure, he’s beloved because of how much he gives, but I do think he’s a valuable presence as a hockey player. Shut down defencemen who are sound positionally are a vastly underrated breed, who aren’t as common as you’d think. Gorges does a specific job, and I think he does it quite well. I’d like to see him with the Habs for a long time to come for that reason alone. His intangibles are just a huge bonus.

  9. Chrisadiens says:

    A little piece on Price. Apologies if already posted.

    http://www.tri-cityherald.com/2011/07/26/1580176/price-in-comfy-spot-with-canadiens.html

    Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

  10. JohnBellyful says:

    Congratulations are in order, not only to Ian for his efforts in securing tickets for the Summit, but also to Bugs Bunny. He turned 71 today. Happy birthday, Bugs.
    Can’t remember him in any hockey scenes but I’m sure if he followed the sport, BB would be the rabbit with the hab-it and have a few choice words to say about hockey:

    To Bettman:
    What an imbesile, what an ultra maroon

    To Bruins:
    Of course you realize, this means war

    Facing audience, with Chara looking dazedly in his direction:
    Eh, watch me paste this pathetic palooka with a powerful, paralyzing, perfect, pachydermous, percussion pitch

    To Burke:
    Whatta a gull-a-bull, whatta nin-cow-poop

    To Garth Snow:
    Holy cats, I’ve been drafted!

    Holding handful of season’s tickets to Coyote games:
    I knew I shoulda takin’ that left turn at Albuquerque.

  11. 24 Cups says:

    Point of Clarification re Hab Summit:

    DO NOT send cheques as Ian will only process money orders. This is the only way to get tickets through Ian.

  12. Ian Cobb says:

    Get your Summit juices going on this!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tMFN0tNCno

  13. Frank Labarbotte says:

    Ian,

    I wrote a post below which seems to have hit the wrong notes with some people. If it has offended you or anyone else who has been working so hard on making the upcoming season’s summit a reality then I would like to sincerely apologize. Believe it or not, I was trying to be helpful by showing the other side of the coin and trying to find a way to add incentive (thanks LA Loyalist…) for the organisation to say yes. In the end, you didn’t need any of my help I congratulate you on being able to get your tickets for the summit. It’s a great cause and it’s amazing that you raise so much money for charity.

    As an expat for the past 7 years, I have not been able to attend previous ones but am lucky to have held onto my season tickets. I have now moved back to Montreal and look forward to shaking your hand, Ian, and donating lots at the auction this year.

    Best,

    Frank

  14. Ian Cobb says:

    SUMMIT INFO for USA Goers

    US summit goers, send money orders in Canadian funds please, or add $5 to your ticket price.

  15. Oh man what to do?

    Summit 19 Nov vs Rags

    Or come in Oct to see Flyers, Bruins at Hurleys and Bruins again.

    Or the week after the Summit. Canes, Flyers at Hurleys 3pm, and Pens Live Saturday?

    Sigh……

    Shane Oliver
    http://www.Sholi2000.com
    Brandon, MB,Canada
    R7B 2R7
    hockey@sholi2000.com
    Ph- 204 724 8418

  16. dasbooth says:

    After reading Pedneault I have to say I feel a lot better about the Gorges signing. I originally felt as if they had shafted him, but with Yemelin and Diaz coming in, if they can play solid then Gorges might not need to be kept around. Also, who knows how PK and Price’s negotitations will go, I like not being committed to Gorges 2012-13+ salary already without having ensure that we “need” him. I certainly have heard the rumors as well that he is a great locker room guy, but I like the cautious keep the upper hand position PG has taken.

    “Shutouts are really more of a team stat” – Carey Price

    • Muckbringer says:

      i know im gonna sound stupid but even at the end of next year…. jg @ 3.5x 3-4 or trade him and resign skillzy for 500-750k?

      • dasbooth says:

        That might be the smart move, and I would be happy if it is, but if Yemelin and Diaz step up and can fill those voids better and/or for cheaper then we might not have to.

        “Shutouts are really more of a team stat” – Carey Price

  17. Bugs says:

    A little refreshment anybody? Top 10 Craziest Moments in Hockey.
    Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93HECzEdPJk&feature=related
    Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=324vMBiGBhA&feature=related

    Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

  18. HabFab says:

    You have got to love the commitment from our players, rookies and veterans both, to get in shape over the off season especially the guys with injuries. Just read MaxPac’s trainer bragging him up, for showing up to work out at 4pm the day after his wedding. Our vets have really shown the kids the right way.
    Now when does hockey start?

  19. Ian Cobb says:

    GOOD HIO SUMMIT NEWS AT LAST— Nov. 19th game Rangers

    Hi everyone, I just received an answer about game tickets for this years HIO Fan Summit. We have very little time before they go on sale to the general public at more money.

    Here is the scoop- First people to send me your money orders, gets tickets at this price.

    To get these tickets at these prices, I need to sell some pre season tickets as well. Both are at the group rate. Check the pre game schedule. You do not need to buy a preseason game ticket. But if you want some at this group price, send a money order with your information right away.

    The date for the Summit game is now Sat. Nov.19th against the NY Rangers. Price is ($85.00 canadian or $90 american)
    White section.

    Stipulate which preseason game tickets you want and you can have as many as you want. Price is $80.00 until they go on sale to the general public at more money. White section.

    Send your (money orders only) right away in Canadian funds. They need the count by next week.
    Put a note with your money order for which preseason game you want to see and get it in the mail , like now.

    $85 ea.canadian or $90 U.S., for the Summit game Nov.19th Rangers.

    $80 ea for any of the preseason games. As many as you need for this one time offer.

    First come first serve.
    Send your money orders (only) to Ian Cobb, 63 Village Dr. Belleville, Ontario K8P 4K2
    With a note of all your phone # information to send your tickets to.
    613-968-9807

  20. HabsRepresente says:

    Sometimes i wish i could be in PG’s head …

  21. OneTimer says:

    For your consideration, Puck Daddy’s Top 25 LW for 2011-2012:

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Looking-ahead-to-2011-12-Ranking-the-NHL-s-top-?urn=nhl-wp9767&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

    Our Habs are pretty well represented, with Erik Cole at #16, Cammy at #9 and even AK as an honorable mention! Discuss.

    • Mark C says:

      This list is a lot better than the RW list. Still some real head scratchers, Smyth over Hall? Bergenheim at 25? We’re talking about someone who has never had a 30 point season or more than 15 goals. That’s better than AK, Malone, or Penner?

  22. Bill J says:

    Dunno about you guys, but it seems to me that Boone is the one who err’d, wtf is up with posting a picture of Gorges with two non Hab players. Is it really just the band aid nose picture or this one in the H I/O vault ? Really ?

  23. FishOutOfWater says:

    what do you all think the possibility of josh gorges being traded at the deadline are?

  24. Frank Labarbotte says:

    For those complaining about not being able to get a block of 100 tickets for the summit ahead of everyone else, think about the poor people who sit refreshing every 2 minutes to try and buy individual tickets to games when they finally go on sale to the general public. The organisation isn’t “screwing over the fans” by not making this type of package easily available as it could be taken advantage of and really does inconvenience the “little guy.” In short, there is no advantage or compelling reason for them to give you guys this block of tickets.

    HOWEVER, the paragraph above isn’t meant to discourage you, only to present their probably point of view. I think the best way to go about this is to incentivize them. I understand that you guys give a lot of money to the Bob Gainey Foundation and I applaud that, but I don’t know that it’s enough to make anyone there (except perhaps Bob himself) do backflips for you. Now if you were to get the support of media outlets and turn this into a large press opportunity (or even team up with one of the Habs’ major sponsors), then maybe you could make some noise and make them move.

    Sorry if this sounds discouraging, just looking at it from a completely cynical economist point of view

    • Everlasting1 says:

      Scoring a block of 100 tix for any given game is a tall order. Charity driven or not. This was accomplished in the past? Perhaps a less demanding and reasonable order of say 25 could be doable. Leave the families at home lol

      ——————————————————————-
      “God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment: “How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? Psalms 82:1-2

      “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

      • GrimJim says:

        Ian did it last year, two blocks of 56. The year before, he scored a block of 56 and a second block of 30. Before that he was able to get a group sale of 50. Each year using the same process as he is asking for this year.

        • Everlasting1 says:

          I suppose securing game tix against the defending STC is another matter.

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          “God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment: “How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? Psalms 82:1-2

          “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

      • LA Loyalist says:

        LOL – how many wives are going to let husbands disappear into MONTREAL for a lost weekend?

        Buffalo, Columbus, Cleveland… Winnipeg… hey, maybe.

        Montreal? Unless it has changed substantially since I lived there…

    • cuzzie says:

      Well said.

      Stay Thirsty My Friends!

    • I don’t think anyone is complaining, but we are surprised after four years and thousands of dollars donated that we aren’t being looked at.

      I’m coming in during the Boston home at home as part of my retirement gift to myself, it would be great if the rest of the people I met last year were there. They are one Great GROUP!

      But the only way you can understand where we are coming from is to be there.

      I’m hoping for another Media pass as my prize  Had to be there to understand.

      Shane Oliver
      http://www.Sholi2000.com
      Brandon, MB,Canada
      R7B 2R7
      hockey@sholi2000.com
      Ph- 204 724 8418

    • GrimJim says:

      I understand what you are saying about being fair for all, but what we are asking for is an exemption due to exceptional circumstances: we raise money for the HABS charity, we’re a national group, because of the amorphous structure of the group it’s impossible to follow their restrictions, and they have granted us the exemption in the past. Of course it’s the adminstration’s right to say no, but it also feels like they aren’t even listening to our arguments.

    • LA Loyalist says:

      there is no such word as “incentivize”. “incent” is perfectly adequate. Or “incensed”, which is how I feel about your sour post.

      Ian does a diaper load of work on this. Even for guys who can’t attend, it’s fun to imagine it.

      What’s the old saw about a cynic? Someone who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.

      • Frank Labarbotte says:

        I think you misunderstood my intent, but if I offended Ian in any way I apologize as I think the work he does for the HIO community and for the Bob Gainey foundation is amazing.

  25. Muckbringer says:

    test

  26. mjames says:

    I guess I am the eternal optimist. Every day I check to see if Gomez has been traded. There is still time before the season.

    On a serious note is there any truth to the insinuation that Mr. Gomez’s performance might have been attributed to his involvement with weed. I saw mention of that on here months ago.

    mjames

  27. Neutral says:

    someone was saying defence wins championships. whats wrong with the Habs than? they play 85% defence for 82 games, I haven’t seen a Habs team in 18 years win the stanley cup, maybe that’s why PG is drafting so many defencemen, when he gets 19 he’ll have a team that can win a cup……

    • Everlasting1 says:

      That would be G-boy. You parrot a one-liner often enough, people start believing it.

      ——————————————————————-
      “God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment: “How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? Psalms 82:1-2

      “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

  28. Everlasting1 says:

    Lengthy discussions of baseball is treading on nerd territory. October couldn’t come fast enough.

    ——————————————————————-
    “God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment: “How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? Psalms 82:1-2

    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

  29. Ian

    I say give them (Canadiens Organization) a little more time. Maybe you’ve waited for a response for some time now (I don’t know), but if you just started emailing/calling them this week, then let them work on it before we throw them to the cyber wolves :)

    But yes, I’ll be extremely disappointed if they don’t work with you privately. It’s a fan group but we do raise some monies for the Bob Gainey Foundation.

    As for traveling to watch a game in a convention room. I don’t think I’m in for that.

    Hope for the best.

    Shane Oliver
    http://www.Sholi2000.com
    Brandon, MB,Canada
    R7B 2R7
    hockey@sholi2000.com
    Ph- 204 724 8418

  30. Bripro says:

    Gees. I come in late, and there’s quite an assortment of comments.
    Ian, I hope you manage to pick up the tickets. If you do, and there are a couple of spares, don’t be shy to let me know.
    As for Gorges’ contract, he seems OK with it. And management are obviously, or they wouldn’t have offered it to him.
    I’m sure they want to wait a few months, and see whether his stamina persists. If it does, I would say by Jan, Feb of 2012, they’ll offer him an extension. But that too will depend on the two new interesting prospects, Diaz and Yemelin (Emelyn, shmemellin…?).

  31. TorontoHabsFan says:

    With Callahan signed now for $4.29m/yr the Rangers have 14 forwards and 6 defencemen signed and only $685k in cap space.

    The rumour I read earlier about Wolski being bought out seems to make sense.

    Would Wolski be a worthwhile risk for $2m-ish?

    • krob1000 says:

      Eller and the two enigma’s…..We could call them the Newhart line as in Larry ,Darryl and his other brother Darryl. Would drive Martin nuts but would be fun to watch…and maybe do a case study on.

  32. krob1000 says:

    Hab in Burklington..can’t reply re the jays so here:

    HEccaverria is not ever going to be a great bat, he is said to be Ozzie Smith like with his glove though, as in maybe the best range at short in the game. If Hill doesn’t pan out then you could always either fill that hole or even move Escobar to 2nd. I can live with our 9 hitter being a speedy but light hitting shortstop who is the best defensvie player at his poistion in the game. Between D’Arnaud and Arencibia you are pretty well assured a great catcher and possibly Dh/platoon???if both work out. Snider is still a question mark for sure….runs too hot and cold and seems to go through the motions or something..something just doesn’t feel right with him…almost think he’ll get moved at some point and succeed elsewhere. Lawrie is a pretty sure bet too.

    PS I don’t think Rogers needs to save money, am pretty pissed about he whole SN1 thing too.
    I do think though they will spend when the time is right and I am fine with that.

    • bleedhabs81 says:

      Not to sound condescending, but baseball 101 would dictate you should never consider using your backup (or #2 catcher) as a DH, let alone swap both catchers between catching and DH’ing every game.

      American League rules state that the DH cannot take a fielding position without the team forfeiting the DH position. Therefore, if you have both Catchers utilized and the starting catcher gets hurt (toughest position on the body = high risk of injury on any given night) you can only move your DH’ing catcher if you are willing to lose your DH (i.e. Pitcher must take his bats instead). Very bad idea, and very bad baseball. With American League pitchers you may as well just take the out and not risk an injury to the picther.

      Therefore D’Arnaud and JP will never be used in an alternating DH basis.

      I don’t know much about Heccaverria but if he is as good as you say he is, I would love to see a dual between him and Escobar. Escobar plays phenomanal Short as it is. Though, if your correct that he can’t bat, then I say trade him for something more useful. We already have a wizard without a bat (his name is Johnny Mc) and look at how well he holds down a regular spot. Now if Heccaverria can hit like I. Suzuki (i.e slap base hits and decent average) then I will entertain moving Escobar to 2nd.

      • krob1000 says:

        I am not sure Arencibia is good enough defensively to play catcher in the long run but his bat may lead him to a DH spot as he has tremendous power upside (like maybe 35-40 homerun guy good). He is apparently a very coachable kid and is trying but he has difficulty throwing guys out..which is not ok when you need to shut down Ellsbury, Pedroia and Brett Gardner,etc in the East. IF Arencibia becomes a DH long term they would need a vet old man like any guy named Molina lol ,etc they are a dime a dozen (old catchers) also on the roster as well. Arencibia could also play if D’Arnaud was injured or out for a longer term or if one had a hot bat but was struggling fielding,etc. I would keep both unless the trade is being made for a legit top end established starter down the road. D’Arnaud is said to already have above avg defensive skills to match his good bat.

        Johnny Mac is a wiz, flashy and fun but not as quick as Hechavarria …..many suggest he is already the best defensive shortstop in all of baseball…that is seriously being debated by scouts,etc or was said as per a yanks game broadcaster and a diff’t Jays game I have seen recently…that is pretty amazing given his age. I have enver even seen him play I may add…just going based on what was said during a couple broadcasts the last couple of weks.

        • bleedhabs81 says:

          If I was to make a future roster from the team/prospects we have now I don’t know if I would have Arencibia as the DH if it meant that Thames was sitting on the bench (assuming Lawrie is at 3rd and Bautista is back in the outfield).

          Ideally, I would like the DH to possess monster power (and you suggest JP has that ceiling) but I think Thames’ average and extra base hits would be far more beneficial (if we are just going by the stats available today). He is my favorite hitter not named Jose or Adam right now because if it. He is on pace to hit 30 doubles, 7 triples and 10 home runs in only 97 games. So if the outfield is full and he does not have a regular spot there, I think you have to put him at DH. Keep in mind that Lind and Bautista should be perennial 30+ hr hitters and most of the starters have 20+ hr potential… I just don’t see the need for a low average slugger.

          I could be wrong….

          • krob1000 says:

            IT will be interesting to be sure. Who knows maybe Arencibia develops defensively…he has been working very hard at it. He does have obscene power but definitely needs to improve the average. Thames is surprising me … he just might supplant Snider for next year but they will do everything to try and have Snider tap into that toolbox it seems. Ideally I’d like to have5 outfielders, three solid every day outfielders, one speedster like Rajai who can fill in and one other power/bat to fill in the other. The only way guys that talented stick around for a role like that is if they are homegrown and have no choice or if we get good enough that a World Series is possible. The team is very deep in most positions prospect wise but baseball is even funnier than hockey as far as prospects go because there is just so much mental about baseball that can’t really be projected…..I love it when people who have never played baseball comment on the lack of activity and don’t really understand the thinking involved and the isolation also…you arel ike a gaolie in a sense all of the time….every play is all about you whether hitting or fielding, if you mess up you have to face the music. It’s easily the most individual team sport…and it’s a sport where the best fail 7 out of ten times ..it is very taxing mentally when down.
            I think the mental aspect can break a superstar or make an average tool guy become a star…..I think that is what Bautista has done is become so zoned in mentally that he will continue to exceed his apparent physical tools or lack there of. Its amazing how often he hits the ball on the screws and the power he has with his frame. He doesn’t get Ortiz or Manny bombs where long flies are homers…he hits the ball on the screws nearly every time…absolutely amazing.
            UI do think JP has monster power ability ….I think even this season dspite his low avg he is still on pace for 26 homers in only a projected 135 games.

    • LA Loyalist says:

      If we are going to post about baseball, which is a game, not a sport, I’m out until October. Next it will be golf and putting together cute outfits.

      • TorontoHabsFan says:

        You’re right. I think we should talk about Scott Gomez and “Team Grit”.

        I feel like we haven’t really given those topics enough attention.

        :D

      • bleedhabs81 says:

        I am all for beating the death out of discussion regarding the next best thing to Konopka if you want. I really think whomever that would be would put our team over the top and they should just give us the Cup (I have said this with about as much sarcasm as I could spread on).

        Now, I am not saying you were one of those people, but let’s face it, we have had 3 weeks of “What about Gorges”, 1 week (so far) of “Poor Gorges”, way too many days of “Konopka will save us!!!”, and the usual “Gomex sucks, Martin sucks, PG sucks, Gainey still sucks, Boston sucks (which they do), more grit, more toughness, I was right about Carey Price even though I had a poster of Halak above my bed, blah blah blah….”

        So until PG squanders the last of the 5 Mil (which he won’t) or until he trades Gomez and Spacek for Stamkos and Malkin there will be no real hockey news regarding the habs for the next few weeks.

        In the meantime, I don’t see the harm in discussing something else until there is actually hockey news again. I assure you it is only temporary. I think I have only seen the Jays discussed here a couple of times.

        Although, if all your future posts retain the same quality of debate as your current post, then I assure you that you will not be missed if you leave until Ocober (at least not by me). Though, you will miss the exciting pre-season discussion in September.

        Also, baseball is a sport, it is a sport in every sense of the word. It is not hockey, but it is indeed a sport. It does require a different skill set than hockey (I keep choosing hockey because I assume you qualify that as sport since you are here) but it still requires athleticism, speed, and strength. Yes, there are some positions that are played by Fatties who are only skilled enough to do one thing really well (i.e. a Fat pitcher or DH hitter) but the majority of players these days would probably beat you in any sport you choose (even hockey, given they have time to learn how to skate… Cubans and Dominicans don’t have ice growing up so that might be a little unfair to expect them to be awesome immediately).

  33. Feraco says:

    Boone, Stubbs, what is your handling fee?

    25%?

    Molson Ex mon ami

  34. mrhabby says:

    Shout out to Mr. Boone and Stubbs. Seems we cannot get our 100 tickets for the yearly summit. Is there anything the Gazette can do for this loyal passionate group. Maybe a call to Reggie Houle or BG to assist in this matter.

  35. PeterStone says:

    To HIO Fan Summit Organizers >> Ian Cobb. As a season ticket holder, i obviously have a contact or 2 at the bell center. I can give you a name to email if you want … whether he can help or not, I dont know. if you are interested, i believe if you click my name, you can send me an email. Or, if you prefer, you can provide me with your email addy, and I can email you my contacts name/email addy. If you arent interested, just ignore this post. if you arent Ian Cobb, dont bother emailing me, i wont respond.

    • Ian Cobb says:

      Hi Peter.
      We cannot e-mail as before from the site. I do not want to put my e-mail on the site. But if you put your phone # down here I will call you right back. Mine is 613-968-9807
      Ian

      Thanks for phoning me Peter!!

  36. Feraco says:

    Georges has played his way into the starting 4.

    Puts his heart and body on the line every game.

    Not offensively gifted but can pass the puck well and is a defensive defenceman who, although picked up in a trade, has grown with MTL.

    Is apparantly loved on the team, is their team leader in the dressing room, is good friends with Price and is Gill’s shutdown partner.

    Now he signs for 1 yr at $2.5. His FMV is probably $3m and his FA $ is 3.75m.

    The whole 1 yr deal sounds odd if you ask me. (nobody has)

    – Molson Ex Mon Ami -

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Does the whole 1 yr deal sound odd to you?

      • Feraco says:

        Very. Especially with all of the above points.

        UNLESS!!!!

        a) Gorges wanted a 1 yr for leverage as a FA next season.

        b) PG is concerned about the new CBA coming up next yr (which I don’t think he is as he signed Cole for 4 yrs. Again nobody asked)

        -Molson Ex mon ami-

    • avatar_58 says:

      If he didn’t have that surgery he’d have been signed long term. No doubt.

      However he’s been playing with that problem for YEARS. I also question whether he told anyone in management about it, because they should have taken care of it ages ago during the off season.

      Anyway point being who knows how he’ll play now, and whether he’ll be injury prone.

      • Habfan4lfe says:

        As Gorges said, he didn’t say anything to anyone about it because it didn’t bother him. He said he never felt discomfort from it and never had or saw any swelling. Can’t fix what you don’t know needs fixing. It was only in his last few weeks of playing that he felt any discomfort. I think he signed for what he is worth, I think he will have a good year and naturally look for more money. He is an excellent defensive defenceman and anyone else would want him and pay him what he wants. I think PG, in the end, made a good decision. Let’s see how he does next season and then figure out the future. In the meantime PG retains cap space in case of emergencies.

    • mbplekfan says:

      “is their team leader in the dressing room”

      Thats Hal Gill. Then Gionta, Gomez, Cammaleri.

      If another GM offers $3.5 m to Gorges next year he will find little in the way of competition and will overpay for an average 4-5 guy.

      • Cardiac says:

        Hello Mike Komisarek !

        “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
        - Jerry Maguire

      • Feraco says:

        Everybody overpays. Overpaying someone $3.5 instead of $3 is feasable and I don’t think is worth losing one of your, I’ll say 2nd pair core players.

        Paying that bozo Komisarek $4 instead of $3.5 is a terrible overpayment.

        I think its important to keep the chemistry especially since MTL has had a broken group before the big FA remould.

        Molson Ex mon ami

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      The interviews with Josh Gorges showed that he understands the decision made by Canadiens management and he shows no obvious ill-will. He’s looking forward to a good season and the rest of his career in bleu-blanc-rouge.

      I think this controversy is over. We’re beating a dead horse.

      ———————————
      For my training camp surprise, I want the second coming of Mike McPhee. And maybe Kent Carlson.

      http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

  37. JD_ says:

    “Speculation is perfectly all right, but if you stay there you’ve only founded a superstition. If you test it, you’ve started a science.” – Hal Clement, science fiction author (1922-2003)

    I like Hickey. Seems honest and likes to call out the BS when he sees it.

    But, today’s Jorges piece? Any more puff and you could stick it in the window of a pastry shop.

    “Gorges said money wasn’t a factor in the negotiations and, in fact, you can make an argument that the player accepted a hometown discount.”

    Money is always a factor in the negotiations. More often than not, it is the biggest one. Josh is a good guy who is basically sayin’ all the right things. The only thing he isn’t sayin’ is what the price for UFA-munchin’ term was. Armed with that kinda info, an objective assessment of how it measures up against all of PG’s options could be made.

    Absent that kinda important knowledge, you get things like this: “Or would the Canadiens have been better locking him up with a four-year deal in the $12-million range?”

    Sweet Mother of Pearl, comments like that are tiresome enough comin’ from the HI/O crowd, but a columnist with both experience and credentials? Really?

    Let me have a try: Or would the Canadiens have been better [off] lockin’ him up with a four-year deal in the $6-million range?

    Gee, that sounds even better.

    If anyone wants to have a go at league minimum, please be my guest.

    Br00tal.

    On another somewhat related note, surely there is a term for the inflationary effect the wearin’ of the Habs jersey has on a player’s pricetag. This is in no way an indicment of Gorges – I value his services and am cautiously optimistic he will be around for a good while – but it just seems the league profile a player develops as a result of playin’ in Montreal puts a fair amount of lipstick on a lot of pigs and a huge premium on the good but not great players.

    I’m tryin’ to think of a one-word term that fully encapsulates the Huet Effect, the one Pierre McWeirdo so aptly identified about five seconds after Cristobal was traded to the Caps for a second-rounder. The same one that saw some no-name Kings’ backup earn such an over-the-top payday, that he now mans the net for the Kjjüurtujjsütsdud Kabbage Rolls.

    A couple of suggestions:

    * Canadigein; e.g., Looks like Souray Canadigeined.

    * Hab-Ching!; e.g., Methinks Wisniewski just Hab-Chinged!.

    Run with it, run like the wind.

    • Cardiac says:

      Best post of the day! Here’s another:

      Hab-tential; e.g., It’s a shame they traded Latendresse. He had a lot of Hab-tential!

      What really jerked my chain was the public rally to keep an aging, overpaid, over appreciated, underwhelming Alex Kovalev. That story overshadowed Saku Koivu’s departure to the point where there was hardly a mention of it.

      “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
      - Jerry Maguire

      • JD_ says:

        Kovaloved: To be adored by fans to such an extent that effort and intensity are completely unnecessary to justify a fat paycheque and your GM is forced to find some Machiavellian fashion in which to drop you.

      • Lizardking89 says:

        @Cardiac
        Yeah that pissed me off big time. Koivu gave his heart, soul and one of his eyes in a Habs uni and the public holds a rally for a lazy temperamental floater? It was a disgusting act and a slap in the face to one of the best captains in this team’s history.

        • Cardiac says:

          Brothers think alike ;)

          How you doing booboo?

          “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
          - Jerry Maguire

        • HabFanSince72 says:

          I liked Kovy. He had verve.

          I also liked Saku. Good guy. Fighter. But unless history starts in 1995 he is not one of the greatest captains in Hab history.

          • HardHabits says:

            Koivu doesn’t even make the top 10 list.

          • VancouverHab says:

            I don’t disagree, but he was better than Keane, Turgeon (yeuch) and Damphousse. And I’m yet to be completely sold on Gionta…

      • LA Loyalist says:

        We are in love with pure skill here at HIO as we, are, historically, spoiled, and because we’ve been so deprived of pure skill in the watered-down-Gary-bound National Headshot League.

        The problem is you also need a work ethic and character and a competitive drive that is beyond pure ego.

        I’m as guilty as anyone, it was a thrill to watch Kovalev when the mood was on him (hell, I play with a Warrior Kovalev stick (doesn’t help much)).

        But in the end we should have dumped Kovalev and kept Saku.

        Hindsight. It’s what’s for dinner.

        • HardHabits says:

          The Habs did dump Kovalev. The didn’t flinch when they picked up Gionta.

          As for Koivu, the intention was to create a new leadership dynamic. The Habs locker room has been at a rift since the Carbonneau/Chelios days. Nothing was settled through the 90′s and Koivu IMO inherited the captaincy at too early a stage in his career and although he endured through the leanest of years his captaincy did nothing to unify the team and in a sense might have exacerbated its division. Nowhere was this clearer than when Kovalev came to town, especially the period where Koviu went down with another injury and Kovy took the reins during the Centennial year.

          For better or worse, better IMO, the Habs have closed a chapter in their history in the spirit of renewing the franchise.

          That could not have happened with Koivu back in the fold.

    • mbplekfan says:

      As long as Gorges’ best assets are “intangibles” the speculators are free to dream up numbers.

      Gorges brings no offense, no toughness, and a bum knee to the rink. He is a solid but unspectacular 4-5 defenceman. Slap an A on him if you want but he’s not worth locking up just because of that. The habs have 5 defencemen who will challenge his position within 2 years.

      • olematelot says:

        That’s your opinion and you are entitled to it but I totally disagree, look up Gorges stats ie: shot blocking, avg gaa while short handed etc and you’ll see it’s more than intangibles.

    • punkster says:

      Habulated – I asked my family to decide whether we should leave Montreal and go to LA for a few years or Minnesota and when all the votes were Habulated, well let’s just say the Joads are loading up the truck.

      ***Subbang Baby!!!***

  38. centre hice says:

    Habs line up compiled of only prospects:

    Pacioretty – Eller – Desharnais
    Avtsin – Leblanc – Gallagher
    Kristo – Bournival – Palushaj
    Dumont – White – Shultz

    Tinordi – Subban
    Emelin – Beaulieu
    Nash – Webber

    • PeterD says:

      Love it as a BUlldogs line up…

    • LA Loyalist says:

      Love it. Who’s your coach?

      One could argue that PK is no longer a prospect and Emelin is a Russian professional, rather than a prospect, but that would be trop HIO for words.

      Out. Sorry about the summit. Don’t think I’ll be drinking any Molsons this summer.

      Back here October 1st. Need time off to work up new Avatar.

  39. TorontoHabsFan says:

    I don’t know how many follow the Blue Jays, but Anthopolous just made another steal of a trade by getting Rasmus for some spare parts.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Follow them closely as a result of living in GTA the past 20 years. Was an Expo fan but have essentially become a BlueJay fan. I think this trade is good, but far from willing to say another steal. Anthony Gose is supposed to be another great trade made, yet this guy can’t hit his weight wearing a foam body suit. I like the freshness of AA, but really believe he is a getting a free ride from the media and fans of Toronto because he is a Canadian. In my opinion he is nothing more than a glorified scout. He may be a great scout, but is no answer to this teams success in the long range future. By the BlueJays hiring this young GM they have someone that will never challenge the powers that be at Rogers to demand they spend like the 4th/5th largest market in baseball. This team is making huge profits while spending like a small market team.

      I had no use for JP earlier, I quite like AA just don’t feel he is ready to be a GM for an organization that should be run like the teams they compete with in the AL East.

      • TorontoHabsFan says:

        Oh I wouldn’t close the book on Gose just yet – he’s starting to hit better and he’s extremely fast on the bases (Baseball Reference says he already has 47 stolen bases this year – a definite must for Farrell’s team).

        Anthopolous has done so many good-to-great things in such a short period of time:

        Got a very good package for Roy Halladay
        Traded for Brandon Morrow
        Traded for Yunel Escobar
        Signed Adeiny Hechavarria
        Got somebody to take Vernon Wells’ contract
        Signed Bautista long-term
        Made space for Lind at First
        Traded for Lawrie (one of the highest ranked prospects),
        Traded for Colby Rasmus (ran into problems with LaRussa but is widely considered to be a 5 tool CF)
        Has re-stocked the farm with numerous high-ceiling prospects

        I think his reputation has been well-earned and when the MLB brings in the 2nd Wild Card that Toronto will be well positioned to compete.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Okay okay you are starting to sound like Mike Wilner already LOL. He has made some good moves, still don’t think he holds the ownership accountable to start spending year in year out like the franchise deserves. It is bullcrap to think they are only allowed to spend in years they are deemed to make a run. If that was the case, the team should be discounting ticket prices every year they aren’t making a run for it.

          By the Brett Wallace is looking pretty good in the NL whom he traded away while we wait for Lawrie.

          • TorontoHabsFan says:

            Mike Wilner?? Who’s he?

            Yeah, Wallace was a flub – I agree. But he’s built up enough good will to have a flub or two.

            I think we’ll have to disagree with the money being spent. I think I’ll hold off on criticizing the team for not spending until their younger players are ready to compete. At the moment, I’d rather this model than the Ricciardi model – throwing money every year at this or that “missing piece”.

            If management still isn’t putting any money into the team in two year’s time – I’ll agree with you.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            He’s the blue jay apologist on the Fan590 in Toronto.

          • TorontoHabsFan says:

            Ah, that explains it. I don’t listen to sports radio. Richard Griffin from the Toronto Star is generally where I go for my Blue Jays commentary.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            I think Griffin is the best writer we have in the city for the Jays, agreed.

        • krob1000 says:

          I agree completely. The cool thing is Rogers has been saving dough during this rebuild and when AA gets enough pieces in place they have dough set aside allegedly to bolster the team back into being a bigger spender. I like this move….you can’t not have a center fielder…..and Rasmus is legit…strikout issues but legit.

          Need an ace (Romero is not one and Morrow is too inconsistent). But if you add a starter and a closer I think positionally..aside maybe at 2B we are pretty wellfully stocked with position players.

          I like Bautists in right, Rasmus at center, Snider in Left with Thames and Davis filling in…Bautista’s versatility means more time for Thames and Davis (who could be used a la Mookie and be a late game igniter and base stealer and occasionally play).
          Lawrie at 3rd, Escobar at short with Hechaverria(spelling) in the pipeline, Hill (old Hill or replace) and Lind? YOu ahve D’Arnaud and Arencibia at Catcher. Gose in the pipeline and a few iothers.
          Pretty impressive rebuild …but the key will be convincing an another ace or top two pitcher that we are ready and signing him for a decent run. Need a better alte ining bullpen too…our closer situation is rough.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Thank Goodness the Roger’s empire has been able to Save some Money. This team is getting roughly 45Million a year from the MLB TV contract, 20Million per year in revenue sharing. THey have a payroll of approx. 65 Million and we haven’t yet counted a sheckle from gate revenue, the inhouse TV contract they award themselves, the crappy beer and dogs they sell in the building they own.

            Listen I want this team to do well, but don’t drink the Poor Rogers Kool-Aid of how this team can’t afford to spend money.

            By the way Hechaverria is hitting terrible at every level he has played at the past 2 years, Hill appears to already be washed up due to that concussion, Snyder looks good in spurts but hasn’t proven anything yet. Love Bautista, Escobar, Arencibia, Morrow and Romero. Lind has now currently had 1 and a half good seasons at major league level. Hopefully he is the real deal. Everyone else on roster is a what if at best. And the manager is still learning on the job.

    • Sean Bonjovi says:

      I’ve got a higher opinion of Alex Anthopoulos than HB does, but I’m not calling this deal a steal either. The Jays gave up some useful players, for Colby Rasmus plus garbage to Finnish out the season. Fair trade, but the Jays assume the most risk.

      “Andrei Kostitsyn is a better hockey player than Max Pacioretty”
      - Sean Bonjovi

  40. Un Canadien errant says:

    Montreal Canadiens fans crucify their team for relatively anodyne reasons. Every decision is under the microscope. Whether a signing or trade or draft pick, most will usually cause at least two factions to coalesce, each trying to convince the others that they are wrong, and all believing that management stuffed the call, or the preceding decision that forced the current one.

    We’re lucky we’re not fans of the Cincinnati Bengals. They are a hard-luck franchise that has trouble attracting free agents or retaining their own players, and have to specialize in reclamation projects such as troubled tailback Cedric Benson. They play in a homely cold-weather Rust Belt town. They used to have a charmless homefield in Riverfront Stadium. Now the city and fans are on the hook for funding the brand new Paul Brown Stadium essentially on their own. The deal is so bad that the Wall Street Journal wrote an exposé on it, and the report is being used as a cautionary tale in other cities negotiating to build their own new stadiums.

    Now their quarterback Carson Palmer has chosen to retire rather than continue risking his life in futility. Team owner and General Manager Mike Brown, who is the son of legendary team founder Paul Brown, and who is depicted in a popular Cincinnati comic strip as a Charlie Brown character, refuses to trade Carson.

    Sports Illustrated feature writer is a lifelong Bengals fan and has written many columns on their tortured history, has another another article currently which agonizes over the Carson situation. The best line is when he states the following: The Bengals have abused their fans so much over the years, they might as well hold an annual Punch Your Customers In the Face Day.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/michael_rosenberg/07/27/carson.palmer/?eref=sihp&sct=hp_t11_a4

    ———————————
    For my training camp surprise, I want the second coming of Mike McPhee. And maybe Kent Carlson.

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

    • Everlasting1 says:

      omg who gives a crap. This is a hockey site. Enough of your long winded and mundane trivialities.

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      “God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment: “How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? Psalms 82:1-2

      “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

      • HabinBurlington says:

        I could care less what people use for signatures, but if you are going to criticize the comments because they aren’t hockey enough, then perhaps you should lose your signature. Last I checked I haven’t seen God or Aliens play hockey! If I am wrong, happy to be corrected and look forward to the photos. And no simply cutting and pasting a picture of Lucic won’t cut it.

        • Everlasting1 says:

          Why don’t you take up that lame point of contention to others here with non hockey related sigs?

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          “God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment: “How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? Psalms 82:1-2

          “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Because you gave him the what for talking non-hockey. Sergio, I have no issue with your signature, I just think that during the lazy summer days, a guy writes a comment comparing how deeply we follow our team versus other crap teams in other leagues. Where the fans essentially let the team crap all over them with no perceived repercussions. I like reading your posts, just don’t understand the negative backlash to a sports based comment where he is tying it back to the Habs.

            No biggie either way, just pointing out what i thought was a bit hypocritical.

          • HardHabits says:

            @E1: This is hockey site true but its focus is the Habs, so for you to take some-one to task for posting about American football only minutes after you commented about the St. Louis Blues is hypocritical.

            However you dice and slice it, Un Canadien errant’s comments are well written and thought provoking whereas yours are impudent and groan provoking.

          • Everlasting1 says:

            Jump right in HH, it wouldn’t be the same. Most don’t mind an off topic blurb here and there, but some are incessantly mundane with their walls of text. Of course you’d think they’re ‘thought provoking’. Get used to it..this is a hockey site. ‘Let go of attachments’. There’s a sig for ya.

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            “God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment: “How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? Psalms 82:1-2

            “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

        • G-Man says:

          Gretzky was an alien…

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Case made, I am recanting all prior comments. Well played!

          • Everlasting1 says:

            Of course he was. He’s Illuminati weilding his power over the masses with his hockey stick.

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            “God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment: “How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? Psalms 82:1-2

            “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

          • Everlasting1 says:

            I wasn’t the one who brought up the Sumerians and aliens. But nice try.
            Neither of you could make a play on an open net with the puck at the goal mouth.

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            “God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment: “How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? Psalms 82:1-2

            “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    • HabinBurlington says:

      As a big Steeler fan, I thoroughly enjoyed reading about why the Bengals will never be relevant. As to the point of comparing fan bases, absolutely we Hab fans hold our team to a standard higher than any other team in hockey. As a result we can take issue with waiver wire decisions, 6th round draft selections, and know the names of the entire training staff of our team. I suspect the Red Sox and Yankees are similar in baseball and the Lakers in basketball. Absolutely PG and JM whether we like them or not, get no free passes on any decision they make.

  41. Everlasting1 says:

    David Backes should have cracked the top 25 RWs list. He lead with +32 (second only to Zdeno Chara overall).

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    “God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment: “How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? Psalms 82:1-2

    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    • krob1000 says:

      he was on the center list…ahead of Pleks

      • Everlasting1 says:

        You don’t say..

        ——————————————————————-
        “God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment: “How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? Psalms 82:1-2

        “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

        • krob1000 says:

          I was under the impression he played wing more than center but he was on yesterdays list as a center.

          • Everlasting1 says:

            He’s listed as RW but has often played center with D’Agostini on RW. Which would explain much.

            ——————————————————————-
            “God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment: “How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? Psalms 82:1-2

            “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

  42. Ian Cobb says:

    Looks like we are dead in the water this year for Summit game tickets folks.

    If anyone else has a better way to try to get them, then please be my guest and try. I am still willing to organize the whole weekend for us. But someone in Montreal should carry the ball to the Bell Center for us. I am in Ontario. Sorry but I am out of trying to securre tickets for us as of now.!

    READ BELOW

    5th Annual HIO Fan Summit
    Wednesday, July 27, 2011 11:50 AM
    From:
    “Nadeau, Sylvie”
    View contact details
    To:
    “Ian Cobb”
    Cc:
    “Houle Réjean”

    Dear Mr. Cobb,

    As a respond to your email, unfortunately we, the Montreal Canadiens Children’s Foundation, don’t have any access to game tickets for the 2011-12 season.

    I suggest you go with Pierre Constant proposal I think it is your best way of doing it.

    Best regards

    Sylvie Nadeau

    Coordonnatrice, Dons et administration – Fondation des Canadiens pour l’enfance
    Coordinator, Donations and Administration – Montreal Canadiens Children’s Foundation
    Canadiens de Montréal
    (514) 989-2826
    snadeau@canadiens.com

    • LA Loyalist says:

      Sorry Ian, thank you for all your efforts. This is actually a bit disconcerting… hope it is not representative of what is to come.

      All blessings to you enjoy your summer.

    • G-Man says:

      I guess going from an American owner to a Canadian one looks like a big mistake. Talk about treating fans like they are not important. Shameful.

    • mrhabby says:

      i guess reggie does not want to assist either. he was cc on the memo. is it possible that we can get someone from the gazette to help Mike or Dave come to mind and make a call to the bell.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Sorry if this sounds harsh, but the person you contacted is in charge of the Montreal Canadiens Children’s Foundation, which is a charity that helps children in need throughout the province.

      Why do you think she should help a group of fans get tickets to the Bruins game? Her job appears to be to collect charitable donations for the foundation.

      More generally, why do you think the Canadiens should allow you to essentially jump the cue for tickets. That is what you are asking for after all.

      • Mattyleg says:

        Um, because we’re trying to organize a group of people to go together?
        The ticket-sales system only sells two tickets to each purchaser per game.
        Kinda hard to use the queue for that kind of think, dontcha think?

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • HabinBurlington says:

        HF72, I completely respect your point that the person addressed is in charge of a charitable foundation, but this person also appears to work for the Montreal Canadiens organization. Given that this person in the past (I am assuming this is the contact person from prior Summits’, having never attended I am not sure) was able to help, I don’t think it is fair to insinuate that Ian is undeserving of a positive response.

        Reality is we are a group of Hardcore Montreal fans. There are many other fans just as dedicated (of course I believe I am the biggest fan) as we are, that don’t use the internet and this site as a conduit of their passion. It would be nice if once a year the organization would find a way to work with us towards our summit, but you are correct we are in no way entitled to this.

        Having said that, the Montreal Gazette does well by the success of this “Habs Facebook” page and I would think they would have some interest in trying to help. They do in reality have some pull within that organization. Is it enough to help get us the opportunity to purchase 100 tickets for a game? I am not sure of the answer but would be happy if they could.

        Again, Ian appears to be doing what he has done before with success. Thanks Ian for your efforts, I too am in Ontario and don’t have any connections to the Head Office per se that could help. However, if anyone knows to whom within the Canadiens organization an email should be sent, I am more than happy to start typing and hitting the send button.

      • G-Man says:

        The “Summit” has been established, along with donations to that and other charities. She was a contact to get in touch with, along with Reggie Houle.
        Having 100 fans from all over the place come to Montreal for a game + a tour should merit a little special attention instead of being told to go on-line to try to get 100 tickets.

      • JD_ says:

        The simple rationale is that the Summit would be employed as a fundraiser for the Foundation. With that in mind, there would be a natural incentive for them to assist in the procurement of tickets.

        If it isn’t possible, so be it.

        Without askin’ the question, the answer can’t be known.

      • Ian Cobb says:

        Paul–HabFanSince72–She is also Rejean Houle’s secretary.
        We need doers here Paul, not negative’s.!

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Any interest in the group having the Summit, with a get-together somewhere in a banquet room to watch one game, then another date where everyone gets their own tickets for a game?

      ———————————
      For my training camp surprise, I want the second coming of Mike McPhee. And maybe Kent Carlson.

      http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

    • Bill H says:

      Thanks for your efforts Ian. And sorry this seems to get more complicated every year. Reggie Houle may yet come through. And if you haven’t heard from him by the end of the week, I think Bob Gainey might be able to set things straight, especially considering the donations we have made each year now for what, 4 years?

    • slamtherimtim says:

      what really suks Ian is there are guys out there with multiple season tickets,the guy who owns the buliding where i work has 6 sets , who only sell for a profit , while people who will also pay and donate some coin to charity in the process get screwed out of all the games, they should reduce the number of season tickets sold , not like they wouldnt sell them anyways

      • PeterStone says:

        so, why didnt you purchase season tickets 8 years ago when there were plenty for sale … or even 4 years ago when they had some for sale ? Money talks …

  43. Neutral says:

    I think PG is doing a ok job. went out and got cole and a good backup goalie, Gorges signing was good, should have signed Markov for $4 mil one year what he did is a gamble, you pays your money and takes your chances, as for JM he’s a one way coach. down the road if PG stays around he may be able to put a two way team together for JM to win a cup don’t get me wrong this is not a bad team we have here just don’t see enough offence to win a cup. hope they prove me wrong…..

    • habaddict_andy says:

      Boston vs. Vancouver… Offense was not a factor. It was defense system.

      Go! Hockey! Go!

    • LA Loyalist says:

      … and he stole us Wiz, who should… oh crap…

    • Bill H says:

      Nuetral, I think Markov and his agent have some say about how much he signs for. Sure, PG should have signed him for $4M for one year. That easy to say. But why should Markov take a chance on a one year contract when he can get financial security for life with a longer term contract?

      Gauthier: We really like what your client brings to the team and value him as a player. But we are concerned about his ongoing knee problem and so we cannot offer a long term deal. One year at $4M and if all goes well, then we can sign long term next year. What do you think of that?

      Markov’s agent: hahahahahahaha. You’ve got to be kidding man. We wait another week and we will have half a dozen long term offers in front of us. You know what the going rate is for high caliber dmen like my client. $6M for 4 years is what its going to take.

      • athanor says:

        I imagine that, after 10 seasons with the Habs, Markov already has “financial security for life” unless he has made some horrifically bad investments. He, like most other NHL players, probably earns more in one year than a great number of people earn in 30.

        • Bill H says:

          True enough. He also probably has a different idea of what constitutes financial security than most people. These concepts are relative.

          My point, which seems to have escaped you, is that its not just a question of what PG wants to do. Its a negotiation, and Markov obviously had leverage to get more than 1 year at $4M.

  44. pierre lapuck says:

    I’ll just add this to the Gorges discussion; he is more valuable in the room than on the ice and even that “in the room” value is mitigated by the fact that he wasn’t there for 1/2 of last year and likely others took that place. As a top 6 d-man he is # 5 or 6 and is quite easily replaceable, in fact there may be a solid argument that the Wiz in his place last year was a step up. He has little scoring potential, is average in size, and average in skills it’s between his ears and in his jersey that netted him the raise. No other team wold give him this $ for good reason. The Habs gave him the home town upgrade now he has to earn it. One year is plenty for a guy with his skill set.

    • habaddict_andy says:

      I disagree when you say easily replaceable. He is a more than a decent player. He is not afraid to risk bodily harm to get the job done. I call him the rock because he gives his all every game. When he got hit by a puck on the head which look to be a really hard hit, he returned the next game. Nothing phases him. He was playing injured last year. He finally stop playing when he could no longer deal with the pain. And he has heart unlike many other players we have seen come and go. He really wants to stick around in Montreal. Try and find that in the league. You don’t just throw away someone like that.

      Go! Hockey! Go!

      • ABHabsfan says:

        Agree with you on the intangible value of Gorges. Not the least of which is that he is best buddies with Price. I think we are all in agreement that this team goes as far as CP can go, do you really want to trade or lose his buddy. If Gorges does nothing but keep CP comfortable and relaxed and winning games, and along the way plays 15 min/game. Well you pay up for that. We should all be happy we still have Gorges in the fold.

  45. axxerd says:

    Interesting that the unrespectful PK Subban has been tweeting about how he has been spending his summer helping out in Haiti, today at the Habs kids camp….when you have Mr. Joffrey Lupul partying with Biznasty. Just thought that to be interesting

    —-
    Newfoundland’s biggest Habs fan. Hands down.

  46. Timo says:

    Canadiens erred on their GM and head coach. That’s what the biggest error is.

    • mrhabby says:

      your consistent thats for sure.

      • LA Loyalist says:

        I’m actually ok with Gauthier so far, really the only thing I would have done differently is signed Wiz knowing I would have to trade someone in March.

        As for Gomez, as much as I rant, in reality we’re stuck with him, and as for getting some big stud forward, well, I think Cole was the best available that we could get without giving up a chunk of future.

        I think the team will be soft, but better than last year.

        As for Martin, yeah, he sucks.

        • mrhabby says:

          It will be very interesting to see Coles reaction to Martins system. We actually have lots of players who can put up numbers, they must be getting frutsrated to a degree. I remember the organization saying we will be a possession team were not there yet.

    • krob1000 says:

      Timo…for the most part I am not minding Gauthier..actually think he has done a good job. I think Martin is more of an issue myself. I think we have a team that should be drawing a ton of penalties and filling the ent but our laid back style and defensive focus is partly to blame IMO for us not getting calls and hampering our offense.
      I am not a fan of Martin hockey…I can appreciate the style at times (ie. when outmatched in playoffs) but not year in and year out every game…
      I think Martin is the one responsible for some of our kids leaving or not developing and before that Gainey….
      Partly us too, Montreal demands a playoff team and that means we don’t have room for growing pains.

      • The Dude says:

        I think 19 years is a bit much for the growing pain story.The biggest problem with Martin ,Gauthier and Gainey hockey is it’s one dimensional and has very narrow hallway’s. If we learn’t anything from the Foston Gooins it’s that you got to be able to play every style well and then let the cards fall where they may …and if that don’t work then beat shit out whomever’s in the way!

        • LA Loyalist says:

          Good point. 70′s Habs teams could play it anyway you wanted.

          Pond hockey.
          Grind it out.

          Bring it.

          Scotty cared about winning, not his GAA.

      • G-Man says:

        Defense wins championships. Save for the exception of the 1st 4 Oiler Cups, it has ever been thus.

        • krob1000 says:

          Or you could say the best defense is offense..or any other adage that suits a need. Defense winning chamionships in one thing but teams without offense don’t win any either. The Habs teams of the past almost to a team aside from our “goaltending championships” had high octane offenses relative to teh rest of the league. They all had superstar goalies, hall of fame dmen,etc….the scoring forwards were there to score….the checking forwards checked and the d played d and the goaltending was stellar. The Habs can’t score when they need it.

    • G-Man says:

      Timo, you are, by far, the most consistent anti-Habs management poster here. You sure you’re not a union activist?

    • J_P says:

      The GM I dont like, but I can live with. Im having a lot of trouble living with Jacques Martin. Cant stand the guy. Never could stand him, never will stand him. The amount of games I watch per season has declined in the two seasons since he took over just because they are so boring to watch.

  47. The Dude says:

    Pouloit will score 35+ goal with BOston , mark my words.

  48. krob1000 says:

    “Mic” Richards…..I think that is what I am going to call him from now on…I am a huge Richards fan as a player but man this guy loves to talk to the media a little too much.

    • J_P says:

      I think his latest rant about how the whole partying thing was blown out of proportion just adds to the fact that it’s probably true. If you have to come out and downplay a story written by a columnist in philadelphia (a city he no longer plays for), its only because you know what he’s saying is probably true.

      Teams dont just trade away guys like Richards and Carter. Especially not teams who made it to the stanley cup finals 2 years ago. When you add in all the rumors that were reported while carter and richards were still in philly, clearly the story has some legs.

  49. ed lopaz says:

    5 million of Cap space available??

    Thats enough money to add another excellent player to this lineup.

    1 year from now, there is no way we sign Spacek – so 3.85 is off the books.

    For the 2011 season, I would like us to add 1 more excellent player.

    If we add the Gomez salary, the Spacek salary, and the 5 million in Cap space together, thats about 16 million.

    16 million of a 64 million Cap is 25%.

    As we stand today, unless things change before the season starts,

    25% of our Cap space is not being used efficiently.

    No matter how much you want to defend Gomez and Spacek, their salaries are way over priced.

    Thats the difference between competing for a Stanley Cup and not.

    How can we compete for a Cup if we are only efficient with 75% of our Cap space??

    • krob1000 says:

      I think Gauthier has actually done a very good job with the mess he has inherited, the cap increases helped but we are looking good moving forward and appear to have navigated the most cash strapped seasons with a conference finals and a 7 game exit to the eventual cup champs…all in all better than I would have originally thought after the horrid Gomez trade. Moving forward we are in a very good place IMO.

    • Cardiac says:

      Things you seem to leave out are:

      1) Just because Spacek comes “off the books” doesn’t mean it’s immediate money in the pocket. You got to replace him. That means spending 1.5 to 2.5 mil so in reality we get around 1 mil max out of it.

      2) With Gomez, yet again his salary comes “off the books” but you know what… You got to replace him. For a decent second line center, you’re gonna pay 3 to 4 mil. So what will we save? Around 3 mil.

      3) Resigning PK and Price will take a big chunk out of out that 5 mil cushion we got now. Let’s say Price signs for 5 and PK for 2.5 to 3. You got what? One mil after that?

      Conclusion: You’ll be lucky to have 5 million to play with, not 16.

      “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
      - Jerry Maguire

    • LA Loyalist says:

      We can’t get rid of Gomez or Spacek or Martin this year. So we can’t optimize the talent we have.

      But I think we’ll be better than last year at least. Especially on D which should create some offensive opportunities.

  50. HabFanSince72 says:

    This weekend I posted about a History Channel show claiming Nazis were helped by aliens.

    Well, I saw more ridiculous history yesterday: a show suggesting that the Spanish Inquisition remained active in 20th century England. Obviously one of their chief weapons was surprise, since no one expected them. Surprise and fear.

    Ridiculous.

  51. Psycho29 says:

    Not hockey related, but…….
    Don Cherry’s great friend, Toronto Mayor Rob Ford gives Toronto resident and her daughter the finger. No wonder Cherry and Ford get along so well :

    “Ottilie Mason, who posted an account of her brief encounter with Ford on Facebook, said she saw Ford talking on his cellphone and driving.
    When she got to an intersection, Mason and her daughter gave Ford a thumbs-down for his behaviour and told him to get off his phone.
    “Rob Ford, our mayor, then gives us the finger,” Mason writes.
    “I roll down my window and again shout: ‘Get off your cellphone!’ He keeps giving us the finger and I can see him mouthing swear words through the window.”
    Mason said the licence plate on the van read “ROBFORD.”

    “Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.”

  52. Cardiac says:

    Of all Josh Gorges pictures to choose from, why did HIO choose one with two players who are no longer with the team?

    “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
    - Jerry Maguire

  53. Ian Cobb says:

    Summit News

    If I do not receive a positive response from the Bell Center soon, pertaining to game tickets for our 2011 Weekend Summit in Mtl., it may be in jeopardy this year.

    I am waiting for a response from Reg Houle or Pierre.

  54. HardHabits says:

    According to Mr. Boone it was only a few seasons ago that Mr. Hickey was doubting whether Gorges would make the team, now he’s worrying that the Habs will lose him to free agency.

    I think Gorges would give his left nut to remain a Hab.

    Good job PG. Make Gorges earn his new contract.

    • j0nHABS says:

      To be fair I don’t think anyone knew Gorges was going to turn into the player he has.

      Is it October Yet??

      • Cardiac says:

        And what kind of player is he?

        “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
        - Jerry Maguire

        • Kooch7800 says:

          Solid shutdown D man who can shut down some teams best players. Also a great shot blocker.

          Was a stud for us since he has come in and really was crucial with Gill in the playoff run a couple years ago.

          We could have used him this year in the playoffs.

    • Cardiac says:

      Mr. Hickey also reported a couple of weeks ago that the Habs shouldn’t rush him back into the lineup as well.

      “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
      - Jerry Maguire

  55. Mats Naslund says:

    Did the Canadiens err when they signed Tomas Plekanec to a 1 year deal going in 2009-10? He was 26, coming off of a year that was less than stellar. I wonder if the sky fell after the Canadiens gave up his remaining years of RFA status in favor of a short term deal that would allow him to play for a big raise. C’mon people! This is not the crime against Gorges that many are making it. This was a good deal to compromise on dollars and term.

    There has already been WAY too much made of this “slight” to Gorges. If Gorges is worth a long-term lucrative deal at the end of this season, I’m sure PG will have no problem taking the money he won’t be paying Spacek or Gill (Gomez I hope?) – and giving a bunch of it #26. If you want to build a sustainable future for the team, you don’t do it by throwing around long-term deals on players you’re not fully convinced about. These long-term, silly contracts are already coming home to roost for many teams.

    • centre hice says:

      The Habs have always given one/two year deals during the players RFA years. It was the same for Pleks, Pac, Price, Webber, Higgins, Komi, Lapierre,………..any player drafted by the Habs, etc.

      One year for Gorges is perfectly normal for the Habs.

  56. slamtherimtim says:

    Anyone know when the second buy-out period is

  57. Cardiac says:

    Everyone seems to be worrying about Gorges, Subban and Price. What about Darche, Moen, AK46 and all the other defensemen besides Markov and Weber?

    “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
    - Jerry Maguire

    • TorontoHabsFan says:

      Moen will be given a handshake and a watch as thanks for all his efforts. I suspect that Darche will get another deal – he comes cheap and excels in Martin’s system. Kostitsyn I fear will be done in Montreal after the season’s end. He makes a lot of money and there are some younger, cheaper options on the farm that likely will be pushing for a spot in the top 9 – Palushaj, Leblanc, Avtsin etc.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Hopefully Moen gets one of those retro cool calculator watches!

        • TorontoHabsFan says:

          I was thinking one of those digital Woolco numbers they used to sell in the ’80s with the Habs logo and the player’s signature. I had a Larry Robinson one…they also sold Leafs versions (and I assume all the other Canadian teams).

          Can’t find a picture of one online though.

      • shiram says:

        Don’t see any kids from the AHL able to pot in 20+ goals come the 2012 season, AK46 could definately be kept.

        If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Agree, I still maintain that JM needs to keep him on a line that works and stop juggling it. THis guy plays his best when left on a line that is working. Maybe it will be with Eller or maybe with Plex and Cammy, but he needs stability.

        • Cardiac says:

          Depending on injuries, I can’t see him scoring 20+ goals playing on the third line.

          “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
          - Jerry Maguire

          • shiram says:

            He did benefit from playing on the top lines before, but he can surely achieve great numbers for a third line winger, if played with consistency and decent players.
            Besides, he represents scoring depth! Something the team lacked recently, so I would not not to see him thrown away, unless there is a clear replacement in line, as of now, I don’t see anyone that can do what Andrei in our system.

            If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

          • Kooch7800 says:

            I think he could score very similar numbers on the third line. JM’s systems rotates lines quite a bit and he has shown he can produce on the third line.

            In my opinion he plays better in a third line role playing with an Eller and I think DD would fit well with them.

            I am sure we will find out next year.

        • TorontoHabsFan says:

          I agree. However, I think at some point the team will have to open up some spots for younger players. Kostitsyn is the most obvious player to be moved.

          Unless we actually do see a Gomez buyout/trade…then I can see Kostitsyn staying on

          • shiram says:

            There is Darche and Moen, they could leave their spots for a promising AHLer.

            If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

          • TorontoHabsFan says:

            But Darche and Moen are 4th liners – I think it’s a bit hard for a younger player to gain experience on the 4th line.

            Again, I do think that Kostitsyn brings more to the table than one might initially think – I agree that he brings much needed scoring depth. But with the salary cap and some major contracts coming up (Subban, Price, Eller, Gorges, Yemelin even), Kostitsyn might be a victim of numbers.

          • habaddict_andy says:

            I agree. I have been saying Kostitsyn will probably walk or be traded. It’s not because he has no talent, at this point he has no place in the top 6. We we got Cole, we got someone who is able to do what we have been hoping for AK to do, go in the dirty zones. Although it’s nice to have options when one of them get hurt, but that money could be spend else where or be spread out to afford players.

            Go! Hockey! Go!

    • j0nHABS says:

      Darche will continue to sign in Montreal as long as he can as he is a home town boy and the Canadiens are the only team that has really given him a real shot at being a full time NHL player, he will never sign for more than 1m a season and most likely no more than 2 years at a time.
      Moen is a great bottom 6 guy and when you need him to be he can fit in the top lines in a pinch (not ideal but can work somewhat), he does only have about 4-5 years left in the league in my opinion, so PG will likely keep him for at least another 2.
      Ak is another story, he could stay in Montreal but he will have to have a hell of a season. If people would stop expecting him to be a top line winger and keep him on the third line where he belongs (He hits a lot, can add a significant amount of second scoring and can help top lines during injury’s), he would be much better off. Plus a line of Eller, whom he has shown chemistry with, and Moen on the other wing, or maybe Darche/White, that is a big shut down hitting line that can score nice and dirty goals. Plus I think people forget that he is pretty good at playing team D, he has a great plus/minus. He does tend to slack when his confidence is low but I think being on a consistent line would help that!

      Is it October Yet??

      • bleedhabs81 says:

        I disagree with you on one aspect of your Moen comment. He cannot play on the first line. Not even somewhat. Sorry, but when I see a line of Pleks, Cammy, and Moen I take Pleks or Cammy out of my fantasy lineup because I know they are not going to get points that night. He played more than his fair share on the top line because “there was no other option” but only generated 16 pts in 79 games… I don’t have the total time spent on the first line, nor am I going to look it up, but 16pts in 79 games is a good stat IF your only on the 4th line.

        Your are absolutely correct when you say he is good bottom 6 guy. That is where he should stay.

  58. bleedhabs81 says:

    My 2 cents on Gorges

    Love him.

    Is he worth a ton of money for what he brings on the ice? Nope. Anywhere around 2.5 – 3M is about right for a good defenseman with no offense and no intimidation factor.

    I believe PG did the right thing. The one year contract is not only to see how his knee is but it also serves to give him a year to evaluate the team. As someone else said, there is a boat load of talent coming up on D. Bigger, stronger, more offensive talent. Throw in some contracts that will be ending next year and it seems like a good season to evaluate all that you have and then decide what it is you need to move forward in the future.

    • Tony McLean says:

      Amen. Never has so much ink been spilled on an average “nice guy” #4 defenceman. Are scribes judging him on his personality, on his NHLPA rep status or on his talent? Frankie was better.

      “Make love not war.” Martin & Gauthier

  59. HabFanSince72 says:

    Cap update. Only six teams still need to make moves.

    Teams that are over the ceiling:

    Sabres: $3.6M over. 23 players.
    Caps: $890,00 over. 23 players.

    Teams that are below the floor:

    Islanders – $8.3M. 20 players signed.
    Predators – $7.7M. 20 players signed.

    Teams in a precarious situation.

    LA Kings. Have $4.9M space left, 21 players signed. However they need to sign Drew Doughty.

    NJ Devils. Have $5.4M left but need to sign Zach Parise. Half of their forwards are borderline NHLers on minimum wage.

    • centre hice says:

      Phoenix and Colorado are also under. In fact, they are in the worst position because they each already have the full 23 man roster and are still under.

      Whereas NYI and Preds still have 3 players to add to reach the floor.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        And Phoenix just calls NHL Head Office for another “operating loan” so they can operate the franchise before its imminent sale to one of the many buyers Mr. Bettman has lined up in the Phoenix area. Maybe Phoenix can lure Owen Nolan out of Switzerland, he would be willing to take a large contract to help out the scenario.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        According to capgeek both Phoenix and Colorado are OK, thanks to bonuses in the case of Colorado.

        My understanding is that performance bonuses count towards the floor, even if they are not paid.

    • Cardiac says:

      I see all these teams that are under as potential destinations for Gomez if they are willing to take team. Given I know nothing about them, I’m not sure what we could get in return.

      Calgary is also another team close to the cap ceiling. And with almost half their team becoming UFAs next year, it will be interesting…

      “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
      - Jerry Maguire

  60. centre hice says:

    Yesterday I was kind of bored. So bored that around 1:00 I did a swan dive off of dry island.

    The best thing about Mike Richards playing in L.A. is that we don’t have to hear his ridiculous post game interviews anymore. You know, the ones when he waits for all the reporters and cameras to be gathered around and goes on about how a player on the other team is “this” or “that”. What a hypocrite!

    Now Mike Richards, who has made a career of slandering other players through the media, is being slandered by the same journalists he used to cry to post game.

    KARMA. I have no sympathy for Mike Richards.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Wonder if he finds a new pad near the Betty Ford clinic?

    • j0nHABS says:

      Yeah I couldn’t believe his stupid comments about PK last year. So the guy got in your face and chirped a little…..oh muffin, (what sport did he think he was playing, this is hockey)! Pk is developing into a solid D with a lot of offensive talent and he gets under the skin of the other team’s players, whats not to like!! Richards is a great player but kind of ass.

      Is it October Yet??

      • centre hice says:

        It’s not just the PK interview. He’s done it his whole career.

        I heard that after the PK one, Pronger in particular was sick of his bs.

        Remember in the playoffs vs Buffalo, the “Carcillo car bomb” post game interview. The next game Richards hit from behind/elbow to the head a Sabres player.

    • Tony McLean says:

      He’s too hammered to understand what his agent is saying.

      “Make love not war.” Martin & Gauthier

  61. j0nHABS says:

    Gorges is going to sign in Montreal again next season for ruffly the same amount for 3-5 years. There has been a lot of talk that PG is going to have a hard go of it next season with a lot of players needed to be signed. I know PK and Price will be due for a raise but I don’t think everyone should get their panties in a bunch over this. PG was supposed to have a hard time with the cap this year and even with Gomez’s crazy contract on the books he still managed to sign a complete team (an slight upgrade from last year if we stay healthy), and he is 5m under the cap. The Habs haven’t been in this good of a position in a long time. I really hope PG doesn’t bother signing anyone else, keep the cap room for the trade deadline and see what we might need for that extra push to contend for the Cup!

    Is it October Yet??

    • veryhabby says:

      There is nothing to worry about. Next summer there are 2 important signings…Gorges and Price. First will be Gorges as he is UFA. Price is next cause this is the year to sign him long term. And he will cost some. The rest wont be as tricky. YEs we all want PK here forever but he will be in the same group of signees as Eller, White and any other young RFA. These guys will get the same treatment as any other RFA on this team in recent years. Typically 1 yr deals, or if lucky like MaxPAc and AK before him they may get a 2-3 yr deal. But do not worry/expect MTL to break the bank on PK. There is ZERO reasons for the habs to do so. I will guess he’ll get MaxPac treatment. 2 yr deal in mid-high $1M mark. If you think he or eller or any other RFA on this team is getting a long term deal at top money…ya just ask Gorges and the many other RFAs this team has dealt with the last few yrs.

      Gorges and Price, top 2 signings. Price will make more but both will be a fair market. Gorges $3mish…..and Price $4.5mish.

      Nothing to worry about

      • frozengolf says:

        Price will get bigger money than that, more like Ilya Bryzgalov money- 5 to 5.5 mil.

        The three important elements of hockey are: forecheck, backcheck and paycheck.

  62. gerrybell says:

    honest question – no one seems to know this answer – what happens to a team if they dont spend the min 48.3 million on salaries for this coming season? fines? loss of draft picks? anyone? anyone? bueller? anyone?

    g
    b

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I know if you spend over the cap, it triggers some of your salary bonus space the following season. Essentially lowering your cap size the following year. Not sure about your question though. I have to believe it is monetary related, as opposed to draft picks. Good question.

      • shiram says:

        Maybe they do no get their parts of the shared revenue? Can’t find the info just now.

        If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

        • J_P says:

          I dont even know if this is the right answer, but its the best i could fine. Apparently the commissioner has a lot of discretion in determining the penalty.

          50.12 c (iii)Non-Compliance Provisions. In addition to the provisions of Article 26 of this Agreement, the NHL shall discipline Clubs for material and intentional non-compliance with these provision, provided, however, that a Club’s first offense shall carry a mandatory fine in the amount of any revenue discrepancy plus $1 million, plus the loss of a first-round draft choice,

          so it seems that if a club is, lets say, $5 million under the cap, they would have to pay a fine of $6 million + first round draft choice.

          • gerrybell says:

            good work J_P. seems like some clubs should be a little more desperate to bring up their bottom line. i suppose this is why the islanders are after yashin.

            it will be interesting to see if a club would sign a “bum” to a massive one year deal just to get up to the cap. something like Alexei Kovelev one year ten million. haha.

            g
            b

    • j0nHABS says:

      I am pretty sure you are fined every month that you remain under the cap. The fines would kick in at the start of the season. The fines are very big so it would be smarter to sign a player to get to the floor rather then paying out a ton of money that would exceed the amount you are under.

      Is it October Yet??

      • Rudy says:

        This is where the small markets teams are still getting screwed even with a salary cap. Will be interesting to see if anything changes in the new CBA

    • ed lopaz says:

      here is the answer:

      NO TEAM is allowed to start the season under the Cap minimum.

      Period.

      It is a strict minimum with no flexibility.

      Simply put, if a team is under the Cap minimum the team is not eligible for league play.

    • RGM says:

      OK take a deep breath.

      This is all from Article 26, dealing with Circumvention….
      In the event that the System Arbitrator finds that a Circumvention has been committed by a Club or a Club Actor, the Commissioner may impose any or all of the following penalties and/or remedies set forth below:
      (i) Impose a fine of up to $5 million in the case of a Circumvention by
      a Club or Club Actor, but in no circumstances shall such fine be
      less than $1 million against any Club or Club Actor if such party is
      found to have violated Article 50 of this Agreement. If such a fine
      is assessed against a Club (except in the case of a financial
      reporting violation), that Club’s Payroll Room shall also be
      reduced by such amount for the following League Year, and if
      such reduction of the Club’s Payroll Room renders the Club out of
      compliance with the Payroll Range (i.e., the Club does not have
      sufficient Payroll Room to accommodate its Player commitments
      comprising Club Salary) for such following League Year, then the
      Club must take such steps as are necessary (e.g. Assignment, Buy-
      Out, Waivers, etc.) and as are permitted by this Agreement to
      ensure that the Club will be in compliance with Article 50 of this
      Agreement upon commencement of the following League Year;

      (I skipped (ii) as it pertains to players)

      (iii) Direct a Club to forfeit draft picks (the number, placement, and
      League Year of which shall be determined in the Commissioner’s
      sole discretion);
      (iv) Declare a forfeiture of any NHL Game(s) determined to have been
      affected by a Circumvention;

      —————————————————
      And now we get to Section 50, which lays out the cap and floor….

      (c) Accounting Practices for Lower and Upper Limit.
      (i) Lower Limit. No Club shall, after commencement of the regular
      season, be permitted to have an Averaged Club Salary that falls
      below the Lower Limit for that League Year

      c (iii)Non-Compliance Provisions. In addition to the provisions of Article 26 of this Agreement, the NHL shall discipline Clubs for material and intentional non-compliance with these provision, provided, however, that a Club’s first offense shall carry a mandatory fine in the amount of any revenue discrepancy plus $1 million, plus the loss of a first-round draft choice,

      Essentially, it would force a weak team to become even weaker.

      During the long summer, we all get to be pretend GM.

    • Bill H says:

      I think I read somewhere that the team loses the cash transfers it is otherwise eligible for. I forget what they are called….equalization transfers? Small market transfers?

  63. HabinBurlington says:

    So spent a week in the homeland (Winnipeg) Jets Fever is alive and well there. Was surprised how many of my family friends were able to get season tix. Really amazing how many young people got together in groups of 4-6 and bought pairs of seasons. Should be a real lively barn for the games.

    Did my duty to the city and purchased RCAF oops, Jets Hat. Was considering buying a jersey but you had to pay up front, order the jersey and then you would receive it at a later date which was not 100% clear to me as to when that was.

    Front page of the local tabloid or Sun paper the other day had Don Cherry on it with the thumbs up to the new logo.

    Anyhow, now I am back home and ready to start worrying about the 2012-2013 Josh Gorges situation and the impending Armageddon that will be when those contract negotiations are reopened. Somehow I get the feeling no matter what contract this guy was signed too there would be complete disagreement by the masses. He is a unique player to sign because his greatest talents seem to be the intangibles and the unheralded job of being very solid defensively.

    I think I will give PG the benefit of the doubt on this one. We know he wanted more term (JG) but that is all we know. For all we know the next extension may be easily done. It could be term was the only discussion and that when he proves to be healthy both sides will be happy to sign an extension. The nature of his style of play dictates he should never be a grossly overpaid dman, but of course this is the NHL and GM’s need to be saved from themselves for giving out stupid contracts.

    I just want the summer to stay but somehow have hockey start. Am I asking for too much?

    • Bill H says:

      Yes, I agree about Gorges. We must wait and see. He wants to stay long term. If he plays well and the knees are not an issue, maybe PG extends the contract without drama or complication next summer. My concern is that with up and coming talent (Weber, Yemelin, Diaz, Tinordi), there may be no place for Gorges on the team at $3M+. If that is the case, Gorges goes elsewhere for nothing. Whereas if we have him on a 2 year contract, PG would have the option of trading him for a prospect/pick and filling Gorges spot with one of the 4 dmen above.

  64. mrhabby says:

    its a great deal for both sides. max flexibility for both. i really don’t get the paranoia…

  65. gerrybell says:

    of course they should have signed him to a longer deal but perhaps that was never a choice. if i were an NHL player i wouldnt sign into my UFA years prematurely. hockey players get two big paydays 1. at 26 when they are a UFA and then again when that contract expires.

    Josh prob feels he can get Kommisarek money as a UFA. he is probably worth 3.0 – 3.5 a year next year if he stays healthy. so why would he sign a longer term with the habs for say 2.5 – 2.75?

    from a business stand point from Georges perspective a one year deal is the way to go.

  66. TorontoHabsFan says:

    I don’t know if anyone else has seen this – but Robbie Alomar totally steals a fan’s jersey during a parade in Cooperstown.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3yapgewktY

    Guess he’s still catching de taste!

  67. GenerationYHabs says:

    Ok so I’m sitting in my office at work and listening to Virgin radio, and they’re having people call in talking about movies and tv shows that make guys cry. Going through the regular list of movies like Bambi, Peaches and apprently the Justin Beiber movie, the host out of the blue mentions being brought to tears watching game 7 vs the bruins, and sadly I had to agree with him.

    Heck I think I had to fight back a tear just now remembering it.

    • krob1000 says:

      Bambi? Peaches? what the hell is Peaches? Justin Bieber? The one movie that gets me every time is…..Rudy…every damn time…when those jerseys get dropped off in the coaches office one by one you either cry or have no heart.

      • GenerationYHabs says:

        Couldn’t tell you what Peaches was even if I wanted too, it’s apparently one of the standard “cry” movies.

        Have to agree with you about Rudy though, if it doesn’t get to you, you’re a robot.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Just don’t ask Joe Montana for his opinion on Rudy. He came out awhile ago and basically said some of the keypoints in the movie didn’t happen. Found it kind of strange he went down that path. He had such a controversy free career on and off the field, wondered why he would stir that pot up. I tend to believe the guy, but alot of others think not. Oh well have never been a UND fan.

    • RGM says:

      Star Wars, when Yoda dies. Works every time.

      During the long summer, we all get to be pretend GM.

    • Sakukoivumc11 says:

      August Rush is another tear jerker !!

  68. RetroMikey says:

    Gorges, IMO, reminds me of Craig Rivet, not the best of DMen we have in terms of skill. but has a heart of a tiger when playing for us.
    But as the saying goes, here today gone tomorrow.
    By next season, we will all forget about Boone’s pet if he is traded or signs anywhere else.
    I truly believe in Gauthier’s mind he can be replaced and that is why he signed him to a 1 year contract at a very fair contract.
    For once, I have to agree with the GM.

    “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

    • RGM says:

      I guess it’ll just be Boone and I that keep the torch alive should Gorges ever depart.

      During the long summer, we all get to be pretend GM.

    • Mattyleg says:

      Ah Mikey,
      Once again, it seems that you have missed the boat on accurate evaluation of a player’s skills.
      What, in your opinion, are the ‘skills’ that D-Men need?
      Good hands? Explosive speed? Great shot-deflecting? Excellent oral hygiene?
      Rivet was a fantastic shut-down defenceman, who lost some of his mobility as he got older (and as is the case with many d-men of this type -see Hal Gill). Josh Gorges is another fantastic shut-down defenceman who still has excellent mobility and skating abilities. He reads the play extremely well, and plays against the best attackers on the opposition.

      Saying that he’s unskilled but plays with heart is like comparing him to Mike Johnson.

      And you’re waaaaaay off with that. Again.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • RetroMikey says:

        We signed Gorges to a 1 year contract because we have many fine defensive prospects that are going to get a shot on this team this year and in the coming years.
        Gorges is a great leader but we can sign 2 solid young DMan next year for the price of 1 Gorges who are able to replace Gorges and even Gill.
        Gorges needs to work on his puck possession along the boards in our end which IMO, is a very big weakness if your are a defensive DMan which Gorges is.
        Love the guy, but I don’t think he;ll be around next season or even this season if we make a trade.
        And yes, excellent oral hygiene is very important….:)

        “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

  69. Mike D says:

    Here’s a good chuckle from the Dan Rosen article linked above:

    “Pouliot is only 24 years old. He stumbled in Montreal last season, but Bruins GM Peter Chiarelli said he likes his size and skating ability

    Huh? Who in their right mind likes Benny’s skating ability?

    - Honestly yours

    • G-Man says:

      He stumbled all right. All over the ice!

    • J_P says:

      Funniest thing Ive heard today. I still cant believe that these idiots won a stanley cup…

    • krob1000 says:

      Pouliot is not as bad as people on here make him out to be, especially considering we have perhaps the worst skater in the NHL in Gill on our team. Pouliot is actually qutie fast, he dishes out thunderous hits at times and proved he was willing to drop his gloves. He also had some success when put in a position to succeed…he just couldn’t figure out how to please Martin….then again unless he had a time machine that made him a veteran how could he? Pouliot is 24 years old and rigth about to grow into the power forward as per the normal power forward learning curve. Pouliot will be a 20 -30 goal guy and we will live to regret it….others will just remain in denial and nitpick to find things he did wrong or call him a problem or distraction, etc. We made another mistake here.

    • Gerry H says:

      For what it’s worth, I’ve coached speed skating for more than a decade and I’d have to agree with the assessment that Pouliot is a very decent skater. There is no denying that he spends a ridiculous amount of time on his ass, but his stride is technically way better than most NHLers and his speed shows it. I think he winds up on his ass a lot because of hockey decisions, not technical skating ability. He very often goes down after attempting an impossible turn or to avoid a collision that he set up by making bone-headed, low-percentage moves.

      And for all that, skating was the least of the reasons for giving Benny a pass. The main issue was his lack of commitment and his selfish play, particularly when it came to taking undisciplined penalties.

  70. G-Man says:

    Hickey’s column is a tad alarmist. Besides, if Gorges wants $3 mil +, he isn’t worth it.
    Worrying about the 2012/13 season is a little premature, yes?

  71. Cardiac says:

    Oh boy… First centers, now right wingers… Yahoo Sports, you’re killing me!

    “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
    - Jerry Maguire

  72. Mike D says:

    Good morning, Boone.

    The link to Hickey’s article isn’t working.

    - Honestly yours


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