Darche scores in fantasy return

Darche

Suffering Canadiens withdrawal? The Gazette has the answer with the ultimate fantasy experience as beat writer Pat Hickey and Gazette techie Eric Tobon employ EA Sports NHL 13 to produce The Season That Isn’t. Here’s how things might have looked in Thursday night’s game between the Canadiens and the New Jersey Devils at the Bell Centre

PAT HICKEY

The Gazette

Mathieu Darche celebrated his return to the Canadiens’ lineup with a goal as Montreal posted a 4-1 win over the New Jersey Devils Thursday night at the Bell Centre.

“I don’t know how long I’m going to be here but it’s great to be home,” said Darche, who was recalled from Hamilton on short notice after the Canadiens were hit by a mini flu epidemic.

Darche cooled his heels all summer before finally signing a two-way deal with the Canadiens.

“It was an easy decision to call him up because you know he’s going to work hard,” said coach Michel Therrien.  “His goal was important because they jumped to an early lead and were all over us.”

Ilya Kovalchuk opened the scoring for the Devils at 1:20 of the first period and New Jersey was outshooting Montreal 5-0 when Darche tipped a shot by Ryan White at 2:44.

The Canadiens took the lead with two goals early in the second period.

Brandon Prust broke the 1-1 tie when he scored an unasssisted  shorthanded goal at 3:10. Anton Volchenkov was unable to keep the puck in at the point. New Jersey goaltender Marty Brodeur came out his net to play the loose puck but Prust reached it first, stepped  outside Brodeur and fired into the empty net.

Defenceman Alexei Emelin made it 3-1 at 4:47 when pinched in and scored on a rebound after Brodeur stopped Colby Armstrong.

Erik Cole completed the scoring on a feed from Tomas Plekanec  at 9:16 of the third period.          

Therrien said he thought about returning David Desharnais to the top line with Cole and Max Pacioretty but Pacioretty,  Desharnais and defenceman Raphael Diaz were among the players suffering from the flu.

“We hope it’s just  one of those 24-hour things but we’ve told our players to stay home until they’re better,” said Therrien.

The Canadiens are back at the Bell Centre Saturday night when the Toronto Maple Leafs provide the opposition.

phickey@montrealgazette.com

217 Comments

  1. BJ says:

    Its starting to look an All-Star game.

  2. Exit716 says:

    Mathieu Darche is in NHL 2013? Another compelling reason to wait until it sells for $19.99 in the dump bin. Hey Mr. Hickey. Tell your Gazette gaming enthusiast that there is an edit lines function in the game so that he doesn’t make the same mistake of having Darche actually hit the ice.

  3. Kooch7800 says:

    I just watched that Reinhart slash:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfGnMxuBo3E

    I never finished watching the Canada vs US game I PVR’d it and fast forwarded it and missed this.

    He got four games which I personally think is fair for such stupidity. Why Canada is appealing it is beyond me

    “Keep your stick on the Ice”

  4. nunacanadien says:

    The habs should consider making an offer for Subban’s brother, who did well most of the time, and I bet Boston would give him up for peanuts now after the dismal loss, which not entirely Subban’s fault. Imagine reigniting the dynasty with brothers ala Mahovalich and Richard style. Enough of this wimpy hockey in Montreal.

  5. Kooch7800 says:

    For all you bettman lovers

    http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl-lockout/2013/01/04/report_gary_bettman_nhl_gms_welcome_dismantling_teams/

    I guess that must have been all Fehr’s fault. They are both idiots

    • 24 Cups says:

      LMAO. Isn’t that the most ironic thing you have ever heard? Should you laugh or cry? Of course, it’s a bit like taking a 2nd vote on disbanding the union. Let the games continue!

      To be fair, Larry Brooks hasn’t written a decent article on the lockout since August. He’s so far up Fehr’s arse that it wouldn’t surprise me if he’s on the NHLPA’s payroll. Brooks might even have some of his New York Post salary held back in escrow next year:-)

      • Kevy says:

        If anyone is on a payroll it’s this guy. He’s basically telling the players Bettman knows your next move so don’t do it, we are ready for you. Absolutely no content in this article. Where is the integrity? He’s a mouthpiece for the NHL / bettman.

        Both these groups are a total joke. Bring on the fantasy league all stargame!!!

      • Kooch7800 says:

        It is an absolute joke. It would explain why the players were so angry yesterday.

        The NHL and the NHLPA are brutal. They should just blow up the league and start over.

        “Keep your stick on the Ice”

    • Luke says:

      Is this a surprise? Some GMs would welcome the chance to rid themselves of bad contracts?
      We’d all like some do-overs. The difference is the owners may actually have the chance to.
      I imagine one of the players outraged was the 5.5 million, 10 assist, no goals in 56 games Ron Hainsey.

  6. aj says:

    I think its now ok to say that the player’s association would want to file the disclaimer of interest to go on pursuing legal action against the NHL. In all honesty, this has come to the point that most, if not all ppl. from the other side of the fence hates Bettman and would want to have him fired.

    Everybody doesn’t like Bettman’s way of doing things over the last 20 years. I don’t like the way he handled his job as a commissioner and most of us would agree he has a demeanor that turns everyone into sour grapes. I can’t even blame the players why they would want Fehr to handle this negotiations aggressively to the point of cancelling this season.

    The last time this happened (2004-2005), I could see that the league could’ve gotten things right from the get go since the PA don’t have that much traction for starting the lockout. They did succeeded so that’s why Bettman took action to cancel the season. Now is a totally different story, the PA have more legal power and capability to destroy the league if wanted and this is what we’re seeing. I believe that this is now the end of the road for Mr. Gary Bettman. If the players decide in less than 48 hours to file a disclaimer, say bye bye to the 2012-2013 NHL season.

  7. HabFanSince72 says:

    A little earlier a post of mine was removed (instantly) because it contained the word “penis”.

    Now, you can’t ban a post because of “penis”. It’s a medical term. It isn’t offensive to anyone. It’s a neutral term. Like “liver” or “humerus”.

    So moderators don’t make yourselves look silly.


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  8. HabsWinn-ipeg says:

    Interesting article in the Winnipeg Free Press – Lawless has good contacts within the NHL (Bill Daly responds to his texts)

    http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/sports/hockey/nhl/deal-in-days-or-its-over-source-185633602.html

    I don’t like or trust Fehr, but he has gotten the players more than most thought he would. Not a Bettman hater, but I think he needs to step away when his contract is done (I don’t think he will go before then) for the good of the game – players don’t trust him thus every negotiation will be ugly and drawn out.

    If the season gets cancelled, I would watch for teams to be folded/moved – it’s the perfect opportunity for Bettman to get out of lousy markets without admitting that he made a mistake – can be blamed on the lost season/lost revenue.

    • Cal says:

      Until there is a deal, Fehr has gotten the players zilch and has helped them lose 40% of the season so far. 100% is only 6 days away and Fehr will ensure that the players get there.

      • HabsWinn-ipeg says:

        Good point – I should have said that he has drawn more concessions out of the owners that most thought he would. My fear is that he will go the route Lawless talks about, and find out that he’s gone too far.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      Bettman and Fehr are bad for hockey.

      The article itself was pretty one sided. All we have heard from the owner is BS and posturing….the players now as well.

      how many times have we heard the owners say take it or this is the hill we will die on…they finally moved as a drop dead date is approaching.

      This entire situation is laughable. If you want to not do a negotiation properly please follow the NHL and NHLPA example

      They are both to blame for this mess.

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

    • 24 Cups says:

      If by chance the season is cancelled, then the landscape changes once again. The power base will go back to Bettman and the owners. The players can talk all they want about dissolving the union but it is a two way street. Yes, they may sue and win back this season’s wages – maybe even more depending on the judgement. However, it could also lead to a blood bath which could lead to significant job losses.

      Here’s an example. Let’s suppose a weakened NHL leads to some form of contraction. This would take place because some of the franchises would no longer be viable. Owners in weak markets might just say screw it. If six teams folded over the course of the next few years, and the NHL went to a firm 20 man roster size, it would mean jobs losses of around 210 (138 + 72). That would be close to 1/3 of the present day players who are in the league. That number could even increase as some teams say we are going to chop veterans and go with dirt cheap minor leaguers and young kids.

      It’s time for both sides to sign a deal. Bettman is boxed in but Fehr has to really be careful that he doesn’t overplay his hand and open the door for the NHL hawks to take over.

      • HabsWinn-ipeg says:

        Agreed with Fehr potentially overplaying his hand. I have to think that Bettman is under intense pressure not to give up anything significant at this point – he’s straddling the fence between hawks and doves right now. If Fehr files a disclaimer of interest it may very well push middle of the road owners over to the hawk side.

  9. rhino514 says:

    Read it again in the lions in winter article and I hear it every single day; it doesn´t matter what the team does now because it is two to three years away from being competitive. This is thinking from the pre-salary cap era and completely obsolete in today´s NHL. There is no more rebuilding! There is so much competitive balance in the league (too much, actually) that any team has a chance to be solid, and yes, even to win it ll, in any given season. It is simply too difficult to make predictions any more.
    Hello, remember the 2007-2008 Canadiens who ended up leading the conference? The same thing can happen to this year´s or next year´s habs.
    When the habs made the semi´finals everyone was optimistic about the team the following season; as many were after they finished the follwoing season with 96 points despite a number of key injuries.
    But all of a sudden the habs, which are now a much more talented team than the one which made the semis 3 years ago, are completely decimated by injuries, have a terrible season, and we should just try and look down the road two or three years from now because we are “so far away” from being competitive. Ludicrous.
    And on a side note, do any of you have any idea how hard it is to replace a guy like Cole, and even Gionta, who will be non-factors a couple of seasons from now.
    ALWAYS try to win, as long as you don´t IRRESPONSIBLY sacrifice your future…Any given sunday, and any given season.
    There are no more three or four year rebuilds; there are only one year rebuilds; if a team has a weakness, it can fill it through a top five pick, and more immediately by simply making a good free agent signing; the habs have the advantage of being able to spend to the cap ceiling every year which many teams don´t.

    • Cal says:

      I’ve always thought the Habs weren’t as awful as their injury-decimated season made them look.
      There are obvious needs for improvement, but I am never going to be a tanker. Last year’s “let’s lose with Randy” routine was the worst I’ve ever seen the team play over an entire season.

  10. JoeC says:

    Nuna is back hide your kids this troll is vicious

  11. mfDx says:

    I was just talking to an arena concessions employee. and she told me she felt sorry for all those hockey journalists and “analysts” who are now forced to stand vigil outside a building on broadway, eating pretzels and god knows what, hoping for someone to finally bring out a podium and call a press conference…

    Sent from my CHphone

  12. nunacanadien says:

    And in the fantasy habs they trade Gomez for Ovechkin and Halak agrees to come back for peanuts as he won it rich in the lottery and Markov gets a bionic knee and finally Carey Price actually gets a psychiatric exam that helps him get his winning ways back…..oh love this fantasy hockey, and all of our mighty shrimps get steroid shots and can outmuscle Charra and Iginla and heck even the refs call the plays like they really are…..and the season ends with Maurice Richard coming back to life and winning us the cup….ok, and finally the Habs are actually sold a real Quebecker who cares about hockey and the management no longer has to live with a Toronto Corporate head office Coors…..if only……

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I could be wrong, but doesn’t a Quebecker or Quebecer refer to English speaking people born and raised in Quebec. Isn’t that exactly what Geoff Molson is?

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        Interesting question.

        Quebecker (or Quebecer), according to the OED, is the English equivalent of Quebecois. However, they define Quebecois as “A native or inhabitant of the city or province of Quebec, esp. one who is French-Canadian.”

        If one is writing in English, then it is reasonable to assume that Quebecer refers to any inhabitant of the province, while Quebecois specifically refers to French-Canadian Quebecers.

        In French, Quebecois could mean either, depending on the context and the speaker’s level of eccentricity.

        I would say, however, that Quebecer would never refer specifically to anglophone Quebec residents.

        One less controversial, indeed inarguable, point from Nuna’s post is that Toronto and Coors do indeed suck.

        Mightily.


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        • nunacanadien says:

          If Molson is a Quebecker then the Pope is Irish. As if Molson if he were a Quebecker allow the Gomez situation to continue, or to sign a Prust or a Bourque. Honestly. Wake up and smell the crap. This management by committee Coors is too much, and where is Coors located? In Toronto and the USA. AND we all know what Taranna and the yanks think of Montreal…..

          • HabFanSince72 says:

            Interesting conspiracy theory.


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      • Cal says:

        Geoff Molson is a Montrealer, but don’t tell nuna that.

        • nunacanadien says:

          A real Montrealer wouldn’t keep selling the team out to the shareholders in Toronto. Too bad we are all so stupid when it comes to how the corporate hockey world really works.

          The greedy Crosby and his gang are encouraging the less wealthy to demand a 3 year CBA without realizing they are also on the hook when they get their pants sued from arena and municipal groups who lose money cause of Bettman and Fehr.

    • New says:

      Can you “buy out” at any stage a player who is injured? I know, no CBA, who knows. But I have a BGL feeling about Gomez. Let him onto the ice and you’ll never get clear of him.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      If this season is cancelled he has to go. there is too much animosity between the PA and the league and that isn’t right

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

      • Cal says:

        The players got rid of Paul Kelly with Fehr’s help. Kelly actually thought that a proper working relationship with the NHL was a good thing. Fehr is of a different opinion.

        Fehr has got to go. He has hemmed and hawed and stalled and delayed since becoming director of the PA. The kicker is he won’t even be director any more once the CBA is settled. He will retire. The players wanted an a-hole and they got one. Once he costs 700 players 1 full year’s pay, their opinion of him will sour.

        http://calsnhllockout2012songparodies.weebly.com/

        • HabinBurlington says:

          I am willing to accept the loss of both Fehr and Bettman. I am just that easy going of a person. ;-)

        • Kooch7800 says:

          Unfortunately, Bettman is the reason why Fehr is with the NHL PA.

          I am not a Fehr fan and he does have to go as well but Bettman needs to go first. Why would you low ball the PA from the begging with such a crazy offer. got the players backs up and there is zero trust between the groups.

          “Keep your stick on the Ice”

          • 24 Cups says:

            Kooch – An initial low ball offer is basically standard procedure in labour negotiations. It happens all the time in industry as well as in the public sector.

            I think a ten year deal would turn out to be a great contract length. By then, there will be new blood on both sides of the table who will hopefully will not want to repeat the mistakes of the past.

          • commandant says:

            There is a difference between an initial low ball offer, and the ridiculousness that was the NHL’s position in July.

            One is a negotiating tactic where you have room to give things up and negotiate on issues. The other is an insult to the other side and causes real animosity between the groups.

            The NHL did number 2 in this case. And “Number 2″ is an accurate description of what they presented in more ways than one.

            Go Habs Go!
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          • 24 Cups says:

            commandant – Having the benefit of hindsight on our side, it now appears pretty evident that both sides expected to get to this point in time before any real meaningful deal would be reached.

            I doubt the low ball offer had any impact on Fehr. He probably expected it.

            Here are two examples that I have noticed over the years in Ontario. One is the auto industry and other would be with CUPE. Almost every initial offer is full of contract strips. It also happened in education a few times during the past two decades. It’s basically standard procedure. Doesn’t make it right, but it’s hardly as insulting as it looks. Eventually both sides start meeting in the middle. If not, then you get movement from the side who feels they have the upper hand. That leads to a lockout or a strike.

            This whole CBA cat and mouse game might seem a bit bizzare to some people on the site who have never had to go through the process. Should there be a better way? Of course, but right now it is what is it – as you so aptly pointed out in your last sentence.

        • Cal says:

          @ commandant

          The July “offer” was a reversal of what the two sides were getting under the old CBA. Funny, (how it’s perceived as so awful) that it’s okay that the ones with the expenses should get less of the pie.

  13. Mavid says:

    More non hockey news..the first set of tests are in and my grandbaby is healthy and normal..(my daughter in law is over 35 so there is some concern with downs and bifida) and kicking up a storm already…next Friday is the next ultrasound and other tests, they will find out the gender of the baby then too!! For Christmas one of my staff gave me a baby Habs Jersey my daughter in law posed for pictures holding it over her baby bump…she was a good sport about it as she could not care less about hockey..must start the recrouting young I cannot let him/her become a Sens fan…

  14. Haborama says:

    @FRONTINAC1: lemmie guess: Pointu, Lafleur, and Chartraw were among the pack????

  15. habstrinifan says:

    From CBC.CA:

    “Google’s executive chairman is preparing to travel to North Korea, one of the last frontiers of cyberspace, on a private, humanitarian mission ”

    Sure Sure! Humanitarian trip!

    And I watch women olympic skating because I like the figures in their compulsory program.

    Wait… that didnt come out right.

  16. commandant says:

    On performance bonuses, and the last CBA.

    The last CBA had a clause that as long as it wasn’t the final year of the CBA, the team could use the bonus cushion.

    That means if Montreal wanted, they could count Galchenyuk as a 3.25 million cap hit, but go over the cap by his bonus amount (2.3 million approx).

    Only bonuses that are actually reached count against the cap at the end of the season.

    So if they go over the cap by 1 million, and Galchenyuk only reaches 1.3 million out of his 2.3 million in bonuses, they would face no penalty. However if he reaches all his bonuses, you’d have a 1 million penalty on the next years cap.

    This is something the Habs might want to take advantage of in 2013-14 when they will be REALLY TIGHT against the cap, and they could afford to take a penalty (if bonuses are reached) in 2014-15 because Gionta, Markov, Kaberle, Gomez, are all expiring contracts.

    Just one way to manipulate their cap situation in 2013-14, assuming the Bonus Cushion/Cap Penalty works the same way.

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    • jols101 says:

      Interesting, good to know. The Habs need to use the buyout options on Gomez and Kaberle if they want to be under the cap for 2013/2014. Then after 2014/2015 Markov and Gionta come off the books and the Habs will be fine in the cap department.

      • bwoar says:

        The added contract $$$ for Subban, Desharnais and (possibly) Galchenyuk will offset those buyouts. 2013-14, with the league-proposed 60M cap, will still be very dicey for the Habs.

    • Habilis says:

      Thanks for the explanation Commandant. Got a couple of questions for you (or anyone else) if you don’t mind;

      In your opinion, assuming a 48 or 50 game NHL season, is it better for Galchenyuk’s development to play out the season in Sarnia or stay up with the big club?

      IMO, it’s pretty apparent that he’s among the top 9 forwards in the entire organization at this point so Bergevin needs to decide what’s best for him and best for the club. What would you do?

      Thanks in advance for any responses.

      • Kooch7800 says:

        I would let him come to camp and you know he will have a strong showing let him play 9 games so he has a taste for the speed and intensity of Pro hockey. Then let him go down and dominate in Sarnia. Let him have another off season of hard training to prepare to play in the NHL.

        That is just me. If he stands out that much in Camp and in the NHL I am sure they will keep him. We have no real shot of making a major push so I don’t see the need to rush him but he may very well already be ready

        “Keep your stick on the Ice”

        • commandant says:

          I’d let him play the 9 games and then evaluate how he is doing.

          I always believe that a prospect should be playing at the highest level possible where he is still productive.

          If Galchenyuk is productive enough to earn at least 15 minutes per game at the NHL level, in an offensive role, then he should stay in Montreal. If not Sarnia.

          Go Habs Go!
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      • habstrinifan says:

        With this shortened season.. play out season in Sarnia. Enough ‘prospects’ in the AHL to test and determine how good they are. I think he would still be available if HABS go deep in playoffs and he is doing well in Sarnia … so win win.

    • bwoar says:

      That’s pretty much how I figured it too. Thank you for the precise explanation! We’ll still be tight at a 60M cap for next year, all the math I did yesterday still added up to filling out 3 roster spots with guys like Dumont, St Denis + 1 extra D-man (assuming we wanted 2M+ in space “just in case”.)

      The problem to me is that we’d still have a pretty week team, and I’m not sure that’s really the best place for protecting a kid like Galchenyuk. Part of me is wondering why we don’t let him play down some of that ELC in Sarnia and again in Hamilton. It would suit me fine if he came up just when some of those young D-men are ready to make the jump.

      • commandant says:

        I don’t see Galchenyuk ever playing for Hamilton, unless its an injury rehab.

        I’m pretty sure its a question of whether he’s here this year or in 2013-14.

        There might be some value in finishing the season in Sarnia this year, but you don’t want him going to Sarnia again next season, where he might stagnate against a level of competition where he is dominating (1.8 PPG right now after a slow start)…

        Go Habs Go!
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    • habstrinifan says:

      Well researched and explained. Good stuff!

  17. habsfan0 says:

    Apparently, drop dead date for cancelling the season has been moved up 1 day to Thursday.

  18. Dr.Rex says:

    Just a few predictions of player stats on a 48 game season:

    Plekanec: GP 47 G 16 A 30 PTS 46
    Desharnias GP 45 G 8 A 36 PTS 44
    Pacioretty GP 45 G 21 A 23 Pts 44
    Cole GP 48 G 20 A 19 Pts 39
    Gionta GP 40 G 18 A 12 Pts 30
    Subban GP 45 G 7 A 15 Pts 22
    Markov GP 18 G 2 A 12 Pts 14
    Gallagher GP 20 G 8 A 6 Pts 14
    Prust GP 48 G 6 A 7 Pts 13
    DIaz GP 30 G 5 A 8 Pts 13
    Gorges GP 48 G 1 A 11 Pts 12

  19. ZepFan2 says:

    A N*gger in Net': Racism at the World Juniors

    So much for that “holiday” cheer.

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    You’re breaking my heart

  20. Psycho29 says:

    Not sure if it was mentioned below, but The Dalhousie University women’s hockey team has forfeited the rest of the season after most of its members were suspended following an investigation into a hazing incident involving rookie members of the team.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/01/03/dalhousie-womens-hockey-_n_2406489.html

  21. HabinBurlington says:

    In a non-hockey story, further confusion to the senseless loss of Cowboys players life Jerry Brown. The autopsy has revealed that he was sober as a passenger in the car driven by his drunken teammate.

    I continue to be flabbergasted how these pro athletes in the middle of their money earning careers continue to not utilize cabs or limo services. Apparantly the NFLPA even had a program setup to help athletes with rides home from events which they had drank too much to drive.
    http://espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/story/_/id/8811205/dallas-cowboys-jerry-brown-was-sober-was-killed-automobile-crash

    Tragic.

  22. habstrinifan says:

    New Poll(exclusively for the geriatric set like myself)!

    Has the lockout made you less passionate about the HABS and more passionate about Babra Streisand.

    There’s something about her which does it for me… so I vote yes.

  23. habstrinifan says:

    I wish the HABS had a bad boy! A drunken partying foul-mouthed brawling ‘neer-do-well-but-on-the-ice’ sort. Someone whose exploits can provide fodder for my distemper.

    • Haborama says:

      NO, PLEASE, NOT AGAIN!!!

      we had the F%$#ing Kostitsyn brothers and Hoggins, and that was more then enough.

      Not to mention the Coke fiends back in the 80’s (Corson, Chelios, Kordic), trust me, we have had more then our fair share of Patrick Kane-type degenerate losers in our history………………

    • frontenac1 says:

      We use to go to a bar on Ste.Catherine St. near Fort on Saturday nights in the late 1970″s. It was owned by Barclay Allen and called Station 10. After the game some Hab players would come in. Man, some wild and crazy sh*t would go down! Great Times Amigos.

  24. Ian Cobb says:

    As the conversation about Don’s grapeings of yesterday. I neglected to say that he was out to lunch on this one, and some thought that i had agreed with this clown!

    Cherry is still completely out to lunch!! as usual.!!

    Don Cherry says about the results of our performances year after year!!!–

    When you bring players from other countries into the best junior league in the world (Canadian Hockey League) and develop them with Canadian dollars, you’ve got to expect these results.

    Ian–quoting Cherry

  25. habstrinifan says:

    The lockout WILL NOT END until they resolve the AHL naming issue.

    Why are the ahl teams called baby? The Bulldogs are the ‘baby habs’! This has to end.

  26. Kooch7800 says:

    So at the Junior tourney Canada has announced they will go with Jordan Binnington tomorrow instead of Subban…..

    It just looks bad to switch your goalie now. The loss to the US was not purely on the goalie. the team sucked.

    I personally would have went with Binnington from the start as I thought he played more consistently but now that you have went this far with Subban and lost a shot at Gold you should give him a shot to redeem himself.

    I am not a fan of how this team has been coached.

    “Keep your stick on the Ice”

    • Cal says:

      So, like, Spott is guilty of Spotty coaching? ;)

    • L Elle says:

      I agree Subban should play for the bronze. So much attention and obsession with goaltending. What pressure this kid had on him.

      Maybe the coach needs to switch the whole team and himself, along with his staff because they were all horrible, top to bottom.

      Not to take anything away from the US team, they came to play, and win.

    • habstrinifan says:

      It is a fair decision. They are playing for the bronze. Subban had not been spectacular and Binnington had not had a chance to start. Also may introduce a sense of purpose in the players’ minds, which is needed when Canada plays for anything less than gold. And the impact is minimal on Subban and his career. All good!

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Team game, Binnington is part of team, what little action he saw he played excellent. I am all for the decision to play Binnington in Bronze game. Subban had his crack at it, now its another teammates turn. I actually like this decision.

      • Kooch7800 says:

        I understand why they are doing it but I think Binnington should have had a shot after the exhibition games. He looked better and they still went with Subban.

        They may be doing it to motivate the team…who knows

        I personally think Binnington is a better goalie currently.

        “Keep your stick on the Ice”

        • HabinBurlington says:

          I am in agreement Kooch, but the decision to at least now give him an opportunity I agree with. To me it was not clear enough at the start of tournament to give Subban the undisputed title. I would have been fine with alternating the goalies at the least.

          It is a short tourney, and they are kids, but Spott probably doesn’t get a kick at this can again for a long time.

    • JF says:

      It may look bad to switch the goaltender now, but Subban has not really shown that he can do it. Binnington was excellent in relief, and I think he’s earned the right to represent Canada in the bronze medal game.

      I have been unimpressed with Steve Spott as coach from the beginning of the tournament. I thought his criticism of the officiating sent entirely the wrong message to his team, and I disagreed with his decision to go with Subban in goal. There seemed no justification at the time for that decision. Binnington had played one exhibition game and allowed one goal; he had certainly earned a chance to be the starter.

      Not that goaltending was the main problem yesterday. For the second year in a row, incredible though it seems, the team was simply not ready. This is all the more surprisng and disappointing because some of the kids were on last year’s team and should have known what to expect. In fact, they talked as though they did know. But they still weren’t ready.

      I don’t know if the bye hurt them; however, I do think that in a tournament of this length, it is actually a good thing to lose a game. A loss keeps a team from getting too comfortable and it focuses them sharply on what they need to improve. I think our team were over-confident and lazy, and I include the coaching staff in this judgment.

      • habstrinifan says:

        “This is all the more surprisng and disappointing because some of the kids were on last year’s team”

        One of Spott’s questionable methods. Not giving these players a more leadership role.

  27. habstrinifan says:

    I am bored so lets talk Union decertification/disclaimer of interest.

    I have been reading some and wonder if Bill’s assertion, as follows, is correct.

    “If the union is essentially disassociated from the players, then the lockout becomes illegal, and the players are owed their salaries.”

    The end run of decertification/disclaimer etc is antitrust threat.. that’s a given and a big threat. But I havent seen anywhere where players must be paid their salaries, which were contracted to under and expired CBA.

    • Cal says:

      The lockout becomes illegal only if the judge goes along with it. The NHL has already filed, but the PA hasn’t.
      It isn’t that big of a threat (according to Bettman).
      All NHL player contracts include a CBA clause.

      Both sides are dicking around until the 11th. Idiots all because that’s 3 more games gone per team. It’s looking more and more like a 48 game season.

      • habstrinifan says:

        I agree with Bettman. When you really look at it strictly from what it does to labour negotiations, this is not a big threat to NHL or any sport league. The extended ramifications of a successful antitrust suit is more to be feared…. the draft; competition; franchise fee etc etc. That is where the real danger would lie in the helter skelter world of each man/team for himself. If the only effect were complete ‘worker mobility’ it would hurt the majority of players more.

  28. Could someone fill me in on how the Bulldogs are doing? Are the rookies transitioning well? IM having a hard time finding a websites that are all about the Bulldogs….
    – Also who wore it best? #1 http://habs7.com/index.php/editorialsleft/244-number-1-who-wore-it-best
    Jagger – Habs7.com

  29. HabinBurlington says:

    So did the NHLPA purchase new carrier pigeons? Didn’t it take nearly 5 days for the last vote on decertification, and now they plan to do vote in 48hours? Is this because the players are familiar with where to mark their X?

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Good morning Gerald. I read somewhere yesterday that the leagues tone changed when the revert deadline passed. No idea why it will take a shorter period of time this time around. You could be right that after taking the on line training course the players do know where the X goes. CHeers.

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      • HabinBurlington says:

        I think both sides continue to play games, and when either side sees an opportunity to play bully they do. Granted the owners are probably worse for this, as they are want to do.

        EIther way, kind of wish the media stopped following the two sides every bowel movement and said, call us when you have a deal otherwise keep your Sh%t to yourselves.

        Yikes, I seem a little angry about this topic already this morning.

        Morning Jim!

        • Cal says:

          :D

          The problem is that the drop dead date is the 11th. The games and stalling will go on until then. It’s the a-hole way of negotiating and both sides are masters at it.

        • JF says:

          Likewise. I’m sick of reading about it. I really don’t want to know all the details, the arguments back and forth, etc. The sides seem so close on most issues I don’t see why they can’t simply split the difference and sign. I guess it will all be over one way or another in a few days. Whatever the outcome, at least we won’t have to hear about it any more.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Thanks Steve, always neat when you hear the young kids say how amazing it felt to put on that Habs sweater for the first time. Hopefully the luster and lore of the CH can be restored in the next few years.

  30. Cal says:

    Since this is a fantasy thread, I figured why not go all out with it. With that in mind, here are the Scorpions combined with Lord of the Rings:
    http://calsnhllockout2012songparodies.weebly.com/

  31. rhino514 says:

    What´s the latest consensus on Markov? Hard to tell from his handful of games in the KHL. Will he still be good or will he be a liability? Has anyone gotten a good look at his mobility on the ice?

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Good morning Rhino. That could be the million(s) dollar question as it concerns the amnesty clause in a new CBA. Chris had a very thorough analysis yesterday where he argued that the Habs did not need to choose before resumption of play this season. If that is indeed the case and there is indeed a shortened season then we’ll get a further look at Markov during the short season.
      I guess the only thing I could add is the risk with Markov is injury related. If he does get hurt again doesn’t that injury provide cap relief anyway?
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  32. Timo says:

    Is MAB playing on the fantasy Habs team?

  33. habstrinifan says:

    Fantasizing that a re-claimed Darche scored the winner in the fantasy game is like writing a historical novel on ancient Egypt where Cleopatra is impregnated by a re-membered Egyptian Eunuch.

    Edit: I know re-membered is not a wood …. ooops word.

  34. habstrinifan says:

    Can someone explain to me please. Why is there the need for a second vote among the players to (again)give their go ahead to Fehr to declare a disclaimer of interest.

    IF he has already been authorized to do so AND IF the NHLPA is so deterred by what ever are the latest offers from the league… wouldnt it be less confusing to the rank and file and maybe less of a transparent ploy and therefore more of a bargaining leverage to simply frame a vote on the premise of withdrawing from the negotiating table or not… let the NHL come to grips with the fact that you as a UNION are willing to lose the season too.

    Asking for and even presumably getting another ‘ok’ from the rank and file to pursue the ‘dsclaimer’ ruse seems like weak negotiation tactics.

    • commandant says:

      He wasn’t given an indefinite mandate to do so. The first vote only authorized him to do so up to and including January 2nd.

      Go Habs Go!
      Check out Top Shelf Prospects, my Team by Team prospect reports
      http://lastwordonsports.com/

      • habstrinifan says:

        Thanks! I thought the vote gave him the authority to file the disclaimer as he sees fit. It is a miscalculation if it didnt and the rank and file must again go through the ‘consent’ process. Unless their is some very strict precluding labour law mechanism which dictates that it be this way.

        Having not previously given him an ‘indefinite mandate’ they should have either held off or dropped it altogether.

    • Bill says:

      Not sure what you mean. The first authorization to file a disclaimer of interest expired yesterday, so voting for another is necessary if the NHLPA wants to use the possibility of it happening for leverage, which they do.

      I don’t think it’s weak, as the consequences if the NHLPA goes through with it could be very bad for the NHL. It therefore puts a lot of pressure on the league (which is why the same tactic has been used by the NFL and NBA).

      If the union is essentially disassociated from the players, then the lockout becomes illegal, and the players are owed their salaries. The NHL wouldn’t have much choice but to start operations immediately. And when they did, everything that the CBA contained – like a salary cap – would no longer apply.

      It’s very much in the NHL’s interest not to have this happen, so it’s a smart tactical move by the NHLPA to keep the option available. The players don’t want to lose the whole season, and using this tactic makes it more likely that they won’t.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

      • habstrinifan says:

        I agree in ‘keeping the option open’. My point was exactly that. If there is no labour regulations precluding an indefinite mandate to their ‘agent’ on the first vote they should have given him one. To have your rank and file having to ‘decide again’ seems like risking second guessing…even if the vote comes back affirmatively.

  35. Say Ash says:

    “Buy our new EA Sports NHL 13 – you can play as Mathieu Darche!” lol

  36. Fake says:

    Okay this site is really going down hill, first of all if you’re going to do the fantasy that nobody wants or reads, do it right. (Darche isn’t signed and won’t be, he rejected the Habs’ offer.), No one even attempts to read anything else but the score, so make it more like a box score instead of stupid interviews. That’s just my fantasy rant, the other day in the Gazette it said something like “among the players the Habs have to sign in 2013-14 is Galchenyuk” REALLY? REALLY!? Does no one follow hockey anymore!!!?!??! Even if the writer did not know, DO YOUR RESEARCH. You can simply go to capgeek and see he is signed to a 3.25M EL contract including bonuses, for 3 years (OBVS). This site is really pissing me off.

  37. Bill says:

    If it’s a “fantasy” season, how is Darche a part of it? Nice guy, but not my idea of a fantasy, ha.

    Full Breezer 4 Life

  38. Psycho29 says:

    Great news everyone, the Fantasy Habs have just called up Georges Laraque from…..wherever…..for the next game.

    ;-)

  39. Haborama says:

    In other news, Dalton Thrower SUCKS but I guess that we all figured that out already……………..

    Sam Morin is a defenceman who is projected to go in the second round of the draft, he”s gigantic (6,7) and plays very physical.

    Could you imagine a Tinordi – Morin pairing?????

    anyone here know something that I don’t know?

  40. commandant says:

    I hope the fake Bulldogs are doing better than the real Bulldogs.

    Go Habs Go!
    Check out Top Shelf Prospects, my Team by Team prospect reports
    http://lastwordonsports.com/

    • Boomer says:

      Comm,
      You see that Djuse kid play for sweden? thoughts? possible under the radar?

      • commandant says:

        He’s already 19 and went undrafted once.

        This tourney is the first I’ve seen of him, he’s been ok, but I would need to see more than just this sample to see if he’s merely playing well right now, or can continue this level of play.

        Go Habs Go!
        Check out Top Shelf Prospects, my Team by Team prospect reports
        http://lastwordonsports.com/

        • Boomer says:

          Shoot I thought he was younger. Never heard of him before this tourney either. It’s always a tough one with those guys that are passed up. Like that kid Scott Oke. Makes me scratch my head sometimes.

  41. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …haha, Gawd Almighty, Hick and His Never-ending Fantasies :)

    …if You check the last thread, I had posted a nice compliment to Hickey for His ‘On The Bus With The Bulldogs’ column

    …I sensed things being too quiet in the tread, I check to see if a new thread had been put up while I was typing …AND wouldn’t You KNOW ! :) …another mad Fantasy for Our ‘mutual enjoyment and edification’

    …groan :(

    …o well, I guess I’ll re-post and ‘get-on’ with My Life :)

    ____________________________________________________

    …2 things

    …first, Hickey’s ‘On The Bus With The Bulldogs’ is the kind of work He should have been doing predominantly during this Lock-out

    …the Lock-out was/is a rare opportunity for Habs’ journalists to focus on the next generation and Their day-to-day development …most of We, Montreal Canadiens Fans, would have been eating this up, rather than the senseless Midnight Fantasies

    …very good read for Me by Hickey, and I hope, if the Lock-out continues, Cowan will take Hick off His leash to dig deeper on specific Players as well as the Bulldogs as a team …as well any of Our Prospects in College and overseas

    …second: …my frustration and concern with Canadian junior hockey is our overall disadvantage in speed and skating skills relative to Europeans and the Americans, whom per capita of their athletes registered for hockey, have an overall speed and skating skill advantage over Canada …very ironic when One considers the limitless ice available to Canadians in and outdoors relative to many of Our competitors

    …more than anything, accent on improving speed and skating skills is core to the future in Canadian international hockey
    _________________________________________________________
    Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY
    http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=423049

    Campaign to Retire Toe Blake’s Number 6 !!!

    Bring Back Boone, and send Hickey to Hamilton !!!

    …and, last, but not least: Nutz !!!

  42. HammerHab says:

    Seen a few people comment on the “NHL” players who attend the meetings wondering why there aren’t more guys who actually get icetime…..well it’s cuz they’re all either playing in Europe or don’t have the intelligence of a Darche or Parros to attend these meetings.

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    It’ll always be Habs Inside/Out to me

  43. Mavid says:

    sigh…so tired of the back and forth crap…sh***t or get off the pot already…

  44. jols101 says:

    Just reading old thread and still some confusion,

    1- Galchenyuk’s cap hit is 3.25 million not the cheap 1 million many think because of performance bonuses. So he will not be a cheap fix to the Habs cap problems. and

    2- The amnesty buyouts do not happen till next season. If there is an agreement the cap for this season will stay at 70 million so the Habs have plenty of cap space. The buyouts are for when the cap drops to 60 million in the 2013/14 season.

  45. Mark C says:

    Just read some of the last tread. Man, so much crazy talk. Who knew that paying a D $3.9M a year who plays against the other teams best players while being on the ice for the fewest goals on his team was overpayment.

  46. Boomer says:

    Slept through the 2 am showing lol
    Tough game to watch. First 2 goals I don’t think many goaltenders would make those saves with traffic in front like that. 3rd goal Murphy was horrible with his coverage.
    4th goal hasn’t happened yet lol but I’m sure it won’t be pretty either
    Good on Collberg,
    And good on Bozon being able to produce without Lipon. That’s an encouraging sign.

  47. zorro says:

    Man, I hope we drafted the right guy.

  48. ProHabs says:

    First of all, how did Darche make the team

    • Habfan10912 says:

      And Jacques Martin returned as coach and Darche scored on the power play.

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      • HabinBurlington says:

        The fantasy is confirmed when we see Darche back in the lineup, I won’t read the write up, but safe to assume he is back on the #1 powerplay line?

        • Habilis says:

          I actually laughed out loud when I saw Darche’s name in the fantasy headline so I had to skim the article. Apparently he signed a 2 way deal with the fake Habs after waiting all summer for a better offer. He just got called up from the fake Bulldogs. These fantasy stories are now a full-blown alternate reality.

          We really need hockey back.


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