Dandenault’s turn on the No. 1 line

Mathieu Dandenault is the latest player to get a shot on the No. 1 line with Saku Koivu and Christopher Higgins on Tuesday night. Michael Ryder moves to the third line with Kyle Chipchura and Guillaume Latendresse.

The other two lines (Kovalev-Plekanec-Kostitsyn, Streit-Lapierre-Kostopoulos) remain intact, as will the defensive pairings, meaning Josh Gorges will be a healthy scratch again.

Carey Price gets the start in nets against the Tampa Bay Lightning.

The Gazette’s Pat Hickey is reporting that injured goaltender Cristobal Huet practiced today and said he felt good, but he can’t return from the injured list until after tomorrow’s game.

Price is also expected to start on Thursday in Philladelphia. The earliest Huet will be back is most likely Saturday when the Leafs visit.

192 Comments

  1. Chuck says:

    Logical.

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  2. Chuck says:

    Whatever…

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  3. likehoy says:

    best plan i’ve heard all season

  4. habsnyc says:

    If the farm system is so great, why are veteran defensemen on the first line? Isn’t there someone in this organization who has more first line potential than Dandenault? I’d rather they lost with youth than wasted development slots on veterans.

  5. HAB-PROFESSOR says:

    First rational post I read today….has something to do with Chemistry.

  6. sidhu says:

    My hope for the lines:

    Higgins-Pleks-Kovalev
    Grabs-Koivu-Kostitsyn
    Lats-Chipchura-Ryder
    Dandy-Lapierre-Kosto

    Markov-Komi
    Hammer-OB
    Cube-Streit

  7. Gilles Poisson says:

    Ok Ok. People say “why does Bob put 9 defenseman on our team. But, to be fair, they only dress 8 of them at a time. Thank you.

  8. Gilles Poisson says:

    If Ryder is John Leclair than Dandenault can be God. Thank you.

  9. Leclerc1965 says:

    In a nutshell.. you want to know what is wrong other than my own posts? Belair57 spelled it out for us. Aside from all the favoritism bull****, the ironic examples he mentioned should clue us in to the extent of the problems that exist for our team. Imagine that, the most storied franchaise in sport history (sorry Yankee fans) needs this crap.

  10. Hockey11 says:

    Firstly let it be known that I am not a strong Carbo supporter, too emotional, too worried about the press and not enough experience.

    Dandy the forward:

    This player made the NHL as a forward and played forward his entire Jr career. He set a franchise record in Jr because he has speed and is a “set up” man. He does not and never will posses the Datsyukian prowess and not even the Grabovskian prowess but he is unselfish. He will commit to doing the work required so his line can produce scoring chances. This is the first time in his career that he is doing the things that got him picked in the second round and playing in the league at age 19. He is not a true defenseman and is not a great fit in the style that they D play here. He is better in a man to man down lo system.

    He is on the first line because of injuries to players that are not producing points, Saku is not producing either and he lacks the size to muck anyway.

    Give Mathieu a chance to use his speed and instincts to assist his linemates in scoring, I think you will be surprised. After all, does it matter who scores as long as the goal is scored?

  11. RiverviewCanadien says:

    I know alot of viewers have been posting the lines they would like to see. Who does everyone think should be the number 1 line right now?

    my first choices are
    LW – Higgins
    C- Pleks
    RW- Kovy

    anyone else have an opinion.

  12. the Maritimer says:

    C’mon guys, carbo is doing his best to get them the first overall pick in the amateur draft in 2008 and hopefully in 2009!

  13. Fagstein says:

    OK here’s my idea:

    Put Huet, err Halak and Price side-by-side in the net, and leave the rest of the ice vacant.

    Actually, scratch Halak. Put Huet in there and have him lie down on the goal line to seal the five-hole.

  14. kevin m says:

    I don’t know about you people, but, I’m of the opinion that goal scorers & defensemen do not think alike. These aspects of the game require a certain attitude or mindset, if you will.

    Most great goal scorers were less that stone walls when it came to defensive play. Their best defence was puck possession. If you put them out on the ice against the other team’s top forwrds it ends up a crap shoot.

    For this reason alone, I find it hard to swallow having defencemen & defensive forwards playing with playmakers & goal scorers. They don’t think the same.

    I found defensive players such as Carbo & Gainey to lack that “nose for the net” all out attack mentality. They took their shot & immediately peeled off to cover defensively.
    Offensive players prefer to go in for the “kill” (cutting to the net for rebounds etc…).

    Just my opinion.

  15. belair57 says:

    Defenceman turned forward (Dandy) is on the first line.
    Defenceman booed out of city (Brisbye) is back playing more than he should. Young defenceman (Gorges) we traded a leader for (Rivet) can’t seem to get ice time. Lines are shuffled by the minute. Lines are being continuosly shuffled. Do I need to go on?

    Carbo and Jarvis were great defensive forwards who did not score many goals. How do you expect them to teach offense. They were great on PK…. wait The Habs are 27th in the league in PK duty. Oh well….

    It all boils down to coaching and decisions that are being made. Sometimes great players can not be great coaches. Maybe too much favoritism going on. Players eventually figure it out and stop playing. If you don’t agree, please explain to me why they were playing better until 15 games ago and not now.

    That is just my opinion. Thank-you

  16. Scott in Montreal says:

    Dandenault on first line? Bad bad bad. That means there are better wingers on three other lines getting shoved aside for a mediocre defenseman. I know they don’t have a pile of obvious options but surely team management can do better than that.

  17. RiverviewCanadien says:

    8th spot now, and still going down. I hope something works soon.

  18. Jeffrey Leclerc says:

    When are we going to get it through our collective heads that this system is not designed to produce offence? If you have a few hours check all the threads on this site and count the suggested line combinations we have posted. None of them work….someone help me…it is me….someone, anyone, Bueller?

  19. Ibleedbleublancetrouge. says:

    I’m just wondering, who hasn’t played on the first yet? We should make a list.

  20. Wops says:

    I agree we need scoring. Bring Lil’ Tits. Never mind if he is not perfect defensively, Guillaume was not either. It is pretty rare we have a player that is a point a game in the farm club.

    Higgins-Koivu-Kovalev
    S.Kostitsyn – Pleky – A.Kostitsyn
    Gui – Chipper – Dandy
    (Begin)/Streit- Lappy – Kostopoulos

    or even put Big tits on the first and leave Kovy on the 2nd. We need offense
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  21. Habs_008 says:

    How bout Dandy and streit with the Breezer Centering? Theres a line! Im gonna call Carbo myself and tell him about it…….Put a scorer on line one PLEASE! Ohh wait, no one can score right now…Hmmmmm what to do?? Gainey please get someone who knows how to score! wait, no trades happenin now-a-days, Hmmm what to do? Put Dandy on line one! theres the answer! good call Carbo, the Jack Adams is coming your way this year!

  22. Jeffrey Leclerc says:

    My bad Nick, they did win that game…maybe I was wrong. Dandenault is the answer.

  23. Jeffrey Leclerc says:

    Nick, no offence man but do you really think that putting a converted defenceman on the first line is going to right this ship? You arbitrarily pick out one goal that was scored in some game they probably lost to justify this move. Come on man, were looking at the big picture here. Did you watch the Carolina game? God himself could have been put on the 1st line and they would have lost. By the way…. Dandenault = God???? not even close.

  24. Ibleedbleublancetrouge. says:

    I agree. Where’s that petition, I’d like my name on top. Or are we going to have to juggle the petition names too?

  25. Jeffrey Leclerc says:

    I’m with Timo, the s*** rolls down from Carbonneau. His team, his system, his lack of motivation, his problem. You could bring up Gretzky, Lemieux, Vaive, (yes I said Vaive) or anyone else. This system sucks and nobody is going to make much of a difference let alone some rookie from Hamilton.

  26. HabsWatcher says:

    UPDATE
    After considerable thought and soul-searching, Bob Gainey today called the fire department to put out a fire in his office at the Bell Centre. The fire has been burning for a week.

  27. Ibleedbleublancetrouge. says:

    The only player playing with anything to lose on this team is Gorges… oh wait, he isn’t playing. nevermind.

  28. sidhu says:

    Are we trying to lose on purpose so that we can get a higher draft pick in 2008?

    1) We shouldn’t have two defenseman on offense, 2) no defenseman should be on the top two lines, let alone the top line, 3) Brisebois should be in the press box, 4) call up Grabs to help us offensively — he may get knocked off the puck rather easily, but he can generate scoring chances, skates hard, and is exciting to watch.

    If we get schooled by Tampa and Philly, a drastic change needs to be made.

  29. nick says:

    Dandenault’s has some good speed, and can be a little shifty with the puck from time to time. I think at the very least he won’t slow the first line down. On top of that, the one period they DID play together turned out not half bad. As i recall, there was a pretty sweet goal setup by O’Byrne. Which these days can’t be taken for granted by any Hab.

  30. Jeffrey Leclerc says:

    Excuse me while I go to the head to wash my eyes out, I thought I saw a thread about Dandenault being put on the 1st line.

  31. Jeffrey Leclerc says:

    Because Carbonneau is all about defense, that’s all he knows. Wait a second, the Habs can’t win faceoffs and don’t finish checks, and don’t cover well in the defensive zone…dammmitt, what am i thinking.

  32. Jeffrey Leclerc says:

    By the way…. I do love this team, I just hate how it’s being coached.

  33. kevin m says:

    Personally, I’d like to see, maybe, David Copperfield or Criss Angel in the lineup so that even if we lost they could provide us with the illusion of winning!

  34. 24 Cups says:

    That may be true but Ribiero basically got beat out of a job last year by Pleks for the #2 centre spot. Not to mention that he was just a half miler here in Montreal as well as a cancer in the dressing room just like Theodore. He’s getting a ton of ice time in Dallas and playing for his big UFA contract this summer. Only time will tell if he’s still a self centred, self-serving player. The real issue for me was that we didn’t get anything in return except Noneimma’s big fat, overinflated contract. He was a total bust. I would rather have taken a chance on a second round draft pick but we panicked and got suckered with a washed up defenseman. At least with Rivet we got Pacioretty in return. Here’s hoping we don’t make the same mistake (as with Ribiero) when we trade Ryder.

    The Original 24Cups

  35. Smart Dog says:

    PLEEEEZZZEEEE Bob, whatEVER you do, don’t get desperate and pick up Brad Richards MINUS 17 with the 7 million dollar salary!! Puhleeezzzee… if you do that I promise I will switch teams. I promise.

  36. downeast hab says:

    I think Gainey should call Carbo to his principals office for a refresher course on coaching. And then set up a blackboard and have carbo write 100 times; I MUST USE ORIGINAL LINES. The habs are now in 8th place.

  37. Canus says:

    Anyone watching the Leafs game.
    I’m doing some scouting for tomorrow’s game vs. the Lighting.
    And, folks really should watch this game. It’s just freakn’
    amazing how much crap the laffs get away with, and not get
    penalized. If anyone is watching, Brad Richards is out, and, it
    looks serious. He got a leg injury. Oh well, I guess we won’t get
    his -17, and 7million pay.

  38. RiverviewCanadien says:

    yeah its like watching OTT play…the refs just look the other way

  39. hhl says:

    to whomever is going to the game tomorrow.i think it would be cool to see a couple of banners in support of our players.you could poss make the news, and who knows maybe inspire em instead of demoralize. if lecavalier seez this kind of support then maybe it just might inspire him a little to consider joining the habs.all the habs ever done was bring home 24 cups.

  40. hhl says:

    madhabsfan you missed out #12, pathetic habs fans.

  41. HAB-PROFESSOR says:

    your figuring that out now?
    its ALWAYS been like that.

    watch the movie “The Rocket”…it explains everything about this Corrupt NHL…..unfortunately Money Rules.

  42. jjonahjameson says:

    this team has become sad but never lonely it seems since the joint is always packed,

    how about koivu,kostitsyn and huet for marian gaborik

    he would be the best player to suit up for us since GUY!

  43. hhl says:

    i find that the team is just “not” doing the things it did to win games like at the start of the season,speed, breakout passes, cycling the puck.aggressive forecheck, its all missing from their game.but that dosent mean were a bad team.were just not gettin er done.i think its a poss injury issue.several players r injured.some r still playing.

  44. jjonahjameson says:

    these guys are injuring my stomach when i watch hen and this management injures my intelligence or lack of

  45. Smart Dog says:

    The Laffs are pounding Tampa Bay 6-1. Maybe if we pound them too they’ll trade Vinny or St. Louis to use for a goaler, a forward, and a coupla our defensive-offensive specialists. ….and maybe Don Cherry will move to Paris and start a flower shop.

  46. hhl says:

    i would not be surprised to see tampa panic n trade lecavalier,the price will be steep, but he is one of the best.i could see gainey pulling it off.
    despite his record.after all,it only takes one good trade.

  47. jjonahjameson says:

    vinny and the boys will be hungrier then ever tuesday night and we will witness another booing show at the bell center

  48. hhl says:

    now im definitly for cherry moving n opening up a flower shop. but not paris.antartica. yes Don theres a really good demand for flowers in antartica.and housing is cheap.

  49. RH says:

    Your not a very SMART DOG are you buddy? I mean, c’mon. Superman on the fourth line? And spiderman and thor are easily the #1 d-line combo!!

  50. Sulemaan says:

    Tampa Bay lost 6-1 to the Leafs tonight. You better believe that their coach Tortorella and the Tampa Bay players are going to be fired up for Montreal.

    I hope that the Habs bring their ‘A’ game to the rink tomorrow or it’s going to be embarrassing. Let’s hope Holmquist is in nets again and continues to play like a sieve…

  51. RH says:

    Has anyone suggested our first line be Streit-Bouillon-Dandenault yet? With Gorges as the fifth d-man, I’m pretty sure the coaching staff would be smart enough to figure out how to rotate the defensive pairings so that no one is overworked.

  52. Smart Dog says:

    I disagree about Superman. I mean, he should be up against the other team’s best line (try to skate past Superman).

    Spiderman and Thor though – you are right. GREAT D. Or we could put Spiderman in net, Thor could be #1D line with the Captain America, throwin that freakin sheild at everybody.

  53. hhl says:

    how about ben from the fantastis four as a power foward?

  54. hhl says:

    we should also have the kingpin as gm

  55. hhl says:

    the hulk as our inforcer

  56. hhl says:

    wonder woman can be my physical therapist

  57. Smart Dog says:

    I guess putting the Hulk in net would not be fair.

    Power forward – Silver Surfer.
    Defense – The Punisher
    Winger – The Flash
    In goal – Wonder Woman (bracelets)

  58. hhl says:

    maybe ben can be in net, after all is is a brick wall

  59. hhl says:

    love the punisher on d

  60. Smart Dog says:

    Thats what we should call Komiserik. The Punisher and the Hammer. Nice.

  61. Barts says:

    Mike Ribiero notched his 13th of the season for Dallas tonight, for a toal of 27 pts, which would have him comfortably leading the Habs in scoring.

  62. Smart Dog says:

    The Laffs are tied with us in points.

    Argghhh..

  63. hhl says:

    wed have to eventually find a nickname for o’byrne

  64. Wops says:

    People would be booing him right now if he was still in Montreal. Good for him.
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  65. Chuck says:

    O’Byrne has already been christened “Rhino”.

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  66. Xtrahabsfan says:

    Great point , last year I got slam-blamed at the old Habs blog for stating my displsure with the Ribiero trade. We screwed up !

  67. Chorske says:

    Hmm. Always saw Captain America as more of a soccer guy.

  68. HabsInBlood says:

    I agree about Gorges. He sacrifices his physical self shift after shift (when he actually is playing) to dig the puck out of the defensive corners. Contrast this to Brisebois who refuses to sacrifice himself. Why is Brisebois in the lineup? Gorges turns the puck over once and he sits multiple games … Brisebois turns it over multiple times in a game, and he continues to play? I don’t understand the logic there.

    Although I maintain that Ryder should stay on the 1st line, it will be interesting to see how the “3rd” line does. Chipchura is awfully impressive. The best defensive forward in our end … he uses that grit in-turn to keep the puck in the corners in the offensive end and create some scoring chances. Maybe he get Ryder the puck in his sweet spot.

  69. J.T. says:

    Ugh. Breezer and Bouillon are a minus factory just open for business. I don’t know what the hell young Gorges did to Carbo, but he’s not going to be forgiven for it.

    If Dandenault skates hard and actually forechecks, he could at least open some space for Koivu. If he thinks he’s the second coming of Lafleur, the line will do nothing…again. That said…how unready are the Hamilton prospects when an energy forward/converted D-man is the best the coaches can come up with as a winger for Koivu? I would have thought Kostitsyn the Younger might qualify for at least a two-game taste of the big time.

  70. P St. Pierre says:

    I agree. Why the hell can’t Carbonneau focus on a little bit of offense? Just for one game, just to see how it goes.

  71. HabsWatcher says:

    The forward lines ought to be based on logical centre-wing pairs:

    Koivu & Kovalev (Koivu obviously needs some help carrying/controlling the puck and Kovalev could help with that)

    Plekanec & Kostitsyn (simialr speed and seem, most nights, to be on the same page)

    Higgins & Chipchura (both very smart & good cycling the puck – should be able to mesh well together)

    Lapierre & Begin/Dandenault (good 4th line pair – both have speed and can forecheck)

    As for the 3rd member of each trio, I’d put Latendresse with Koivu/Kovalev (he’d at least be able to keep up with the them), Ryder with Chipchura/Higgins, Kostopolous with Plekanec/Kostitsyn, and Smolinski/Streit with Lapierre/?

    On defense, Gorges should be playing ahead of Brisebois, Boillion, & Streit.

  72. fun police says:

    brutal! dandy a first line player? a coach is supposed to put his players in the best possible position to succeed. carbo is a terrible coach. he consistently gets “outcoached”. briere must love his decision more and more. can you imagine, briere, higgins, dandy. or briere, streit and lats.

  73. habsfan40 says:

    Well i think that since we keep on having a 3rd line or D man on the first line that the habs are missing a top 2 forward. I think Bob needs to package one of our extra Dman with forward and go out and get a number one forward.

  74. jew4jah says:

    Maybe it’s time for Saku to get on the phone and convince his friend Teemu Selanne to come and play on his wing.

  75. krob1000 says:

    Ziggy Palffy!!!

  76. The Teacher says:

    Teemu’s his friend? Really? in that case he’s been his friend for 10 years and still hasn’t chosen to come here. Why on earth would Teemu want to play here right now?

  77. HAB-PROFESSOR says:

    who came to Koivus defense against the wings?
    thats why he is there and rightly so.

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    until the problem in my picture is solved…we will not be Champions.

  78. von says:

    “The earliest Huet will be back is most likely Saturday when the Leafs visit.”

    PLEASE NO!!!!! The Leafs have Huet’s # and the LAST thing my fragile heart could take is a pounding at their hands.

  79. Chorske says:

    Holy smokes. It has gotten ugly in here. Nothing for me to add. Might even try to buck the trend and suggest everybody here lighten up. But my heart’s not in it… ;)

  80. yehaken says:

    What next, Streit in nets? ;o)

  81. Hockey11 says:

    Goals as of 5 pm Dec 11 Even strength

    Player G PP EV
    Kovalev 12 – 8 = 4
    higgins 12 – 5 = 7
    Pleks 9 – 4 = 5
    Latter 7 – 1 = 6
    Markov 6 – 4 = 2
    Koivu 5 – 4 = 1
    Dandy 4 – 0 = 4

    Dandy 7th on the team in goals with no PP time, 4th in even strength goals. Why not first line?

    Koivu, one EV strngth goal, pathetic. Kovy, tied with Dandy at even strength, which player is working harder?

  82. G-Man says:

    One small slide for the Habs, one giant freaking avalanche for Habkind.
    Lighten up folks, it’s holiday time and everyone has their claws out. Tampa, for all their stars, is the team in need of a new coach. Tortorella lost this group almost 2 seasons ago, yet he remains.
    Overpaying 3 players has led to a dismal lack of remaining talent on that team. It’s about balance and chemistry, and, most of all, hard work and sacrifice. Teams that have bodies driving the net succeed.
    Most of our Habs forwards DO NOT go to the net fearlessly. They have become the perimeter pussies we all feared they were. Does no one on this team want to stay in front of the net and make 6 or 7 million a year? Stay tuned, Habs fans. Same Habs time, same Habs station! (I couldn’t help it. Too many comic book references on the thread.)

    Gilbert

  83. Barts says:

    Wow… folks this is how desperate your Canadiens de Montreal are. They have a mediocre 4th liner/5th or 6th defenceman on their ‘ahem’, top production line. Being a fan of this team is like beating your head against a brick wall, and it’s really starting to hurt.

    On a positive note, we get to watch the best player in hockey tomorrow night when Vinnie comes to town. I hope he plays lights out.

  84. OK says:

    Holy cow, so now there’s an ex-defensmen on the first line…why is Carbo constantly putting bottom 6 forwards in the top 6 forward positions??

    If he wants offense, he should put
    Ryder-Koivu-Kovalev
    and Kostityn-Pleks-Higgins

    Leave them there for 15-20 games, bottom two lines don’t matter how you shuffle them, you’re not expecting them to light it up…

    for the record, I would sit out Streit, he’s been making way too many bad decisions with the puck.

  85. 24 Cups says:

    I normally don’t get into comments about line formations on a game by game basis (who could keep up) but we just lost two of our defensive players to injury and then we take another defensive player and put him on the top offensive line. This necessitates playing Streit on left wing on the checking line. To me, all logic would dictate bringing up Grabovski and playing him at centre so that Lapierre could play left wing on a checking line with Chipchura and Dandy. Instead I feel like I’m down in Vegas putting coins into a slot machine waiting to see which three figures show up on the screen. Hell, our three forwards don’t stay together long enough for us to find out if we’ve hit the jackpot.

    As for the blueline, with O’Byrne now up with the big team I thought that would logically lead to Brisebois being the 7th defensman who would be experienced and well rested enough to sub when needed. That’s a realistic role for him to play for the rest of the year. I’m just concerned that the entire year is going to go by and we will never find out if Georges is a real NHL defenseman who will be part of the Habs long term plans.

    I know I’m becoming a broken record on this site concerning this point but don’t have young kids on your 23 man roster if you’re not going to give them a chance to play and see what they can do.

    THe Original 24Cups

  86. Scott in Montreal says:

    Completely agree re: the defense corps. Barring a ground-shaking trade, Carbo should put either Ryder or Lats on the wing with Koivu and Higgins and just stick with it through thick and thin. It’s seems to be thin anyway, so you might as well introduce some stability.

  87. The Teacher says:

    Do you think maybe the team DOES?

  88. Leclerc1965 says:

    A Habs Blazer…while I can appreciate your optimism in this line juggling game but you mention “lines we haven’t tried?” How long into the season do you continue to experiment with lines when the problem is all too obvious…line juggling at this point is pointless and a waste of time. System problems aren’t solved with juggling of lines. By the way, you also mentioned a chance of Koivu and Kovalev demanding to be paired with linesmates of their choice. Do you see the problem with that? In the game of hockey the inmates do not run the asylum, the coach should. Oh I forgot, Carbonneau is not a coach he’s a former great player trying to be a coach.

  89. Gilles Poisson says:

    Now with Mathieu as one of our top wingers, Guy Lafleur must be ashamed for his crazy comments. Thank you.

  90. habsnyc says:

    you have it backwards, higgins and koivu have been demoted to the fourth line with dandenault. the first line of chipchura, begin and latendresse remains intact. the latter three’s collective nine even strength goals make them the team’s offensive juggernaut.

  91. Gilles Poisson says:

    Thank you. And I hope Coach Guy did not hear what I say and attack me like he did Pat Hickeys. Thank you.

  92. notbigbird says:

    If I were Koivu, I’d want to sock Carbo in the jaw!! Can’t say any more. I’m almost speechless and totally tired of this. BG need to slap his coach on the side of the head. Oh, I’m getting violent — two hits in one post.

  93. krob1000 says:

    Throw Lats on line 1 as Ryder and Higgins both need Koivu to service them and he is only man. You can’t keep two wives happy. Bring up Grabs and play him with Ryder and Dandenault or Lapierre and you have three lines capable of scoring (Grabs and Ryder seemed to have some legit chemistry…..go figure Habs Prof). I loved the Nashville game….the outcome was awful but it was one of the most entertaining games of the year. I can stand watching us lose 5-4 but 2-1 or 3-1 just pains me.

  94. HAB-PROFESSOR says:

    Ryder-Grabs

    its obvious, Ryder is of Irish decent via the Saxon ‘migrations’ circa 800AD

    Grabs was part of that ‘migration’ and therefore they are practically brothers from a genetic analysis, thus the chemistry on the ice.

    to take it a step further, these ‘migrations’ were in fact ‘”Raiding” parties’ (some of whom settled)…and it is possible that “Ryder” is an anglicised version of “Raider”.

    Just need him to start raiding that net!

    funny thing is that because of the enigma of this team, my dabbling or searching for answers via “Lack of Chemistry” is a VALID ARGUMENT!!

    I’d rather be commenting on the GREAT PASS or GREAT SHOT or GREAT HIT,
    or GREAT COACHING MOVE!…there has been some greatness, but not enough consistently.

    looking forward to the seminoles visit….

  95. The Teacher says:

    Gretzky in his Prime on a line would instantly propel it to ‘best line in the league’ status. Thank you.

  96. Leclerc1965 says:

    Riverview Canadien….Again, whoever is on the 1st line doesn’t matter (Gretzky, God, Lemieux) the system sucks and will not produce offence.

  97. RiverviewCanadien says:

    I think it does matter, a great deal too! Kovy does produce, he is totally offensive driven, so is Pleks and Higgins…I think the right line combination will win us games…

  98. belair57 says:

    For all those who are defending Carbo. I will too, if,

    He would learn how to treat the veterens.
    He would learn how to teach the youth.
    He would stop blobing at the refs.
    He would stop shuffling the lines.
    And never call out your players in the media.

    This is a fragile team already, thanks to him.

  99. saku11 says:

    Let’s hope Dandenault rediscovers his scoring touch from Junior and turns into a franchise winger. Maybe he could be a Holmstrom-like player. Seriously though, if Ryder is not the answer for the top line, then call up an offensively gifted kid from Hamilton like Sergei Kostitsyn. He’s above a point-per-game as a rookie, which is pretty impressive. If the Habs don’t turn it around before the end of December, you have to think Carbo’s gone. Hopefully a new system will bring new life to the Habs.

  100. Smart Dog says:

    Hey! I want MY TURN on the first line!

    Ruff!!

  101. Thumper says:

    No NO NO NO NO! WTF is Carbo doing. For a man who adorns my wall with a signed photo as an ode to being one of my most favorite PLAYERS he is doing my head in. Dandenault, yes love ya as a D man, but I am sorry he would not make the first forward line of an AHL team so why on the best most storied franchise in the NHL. If I were Saku I would kick up a stink or ask my agent for a way out because this takes the biscuit. Bob you can sought this mess out, its a shambles, we have no first line worthy of the name, and right now Carbo is not up to the job.

  102. Hoegarden says:

    What have we got to lose with Dandy on the “so called” first line. They’ve tried everyone except recall Gilles Lupien……no wait, he was a defenseman too !!
    I think the reason why this is happening is that where Guy comes from, they do a lot of square dancing around Christmas and you end up changing partners every 30 seconds or so.
    Let’s see what happens !!!

    Gotta feel for Milroy and Ferland down on the farm. I hope they get a chance somewhere else.

  103. Leclerc1965 says:

    Hoe Garden…I think that’s awesome you remember Gilles Lupien! I thought I was the only one who remembered that pylon.

  104. Gilles Poisson says:

    We must see this as the glass is half full. At least Mathieu is not playing defense. Thank you.

  105. Axeman says:

    Another rumour … but an interesting one ….

    http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/tbl071210.html

    How would we like Brad Richards in out lineup? Is it worth giving up Huet? I know Ryder is also a part of this deal, but he’s been a waste of icetime since the beginning of the season, so Huet is the only real sacrifice.

    Thoughts?

  106. Vincent is possible says:

    What me Worry?

    I heard a rumour. They are going to bring the brothers back on tuesday for the first line. No, not the Kostitsyn brothers…the Lebeau Brothers Patrick and Stephan. What do you think?

    “WE WANT VINCE! WE WANT VINCE!”

  107. AdamG says:

    Sweet Jesus…

  108. AdamG says:

    i think we should trade for Garth Murray and give him a whirl with Saku…

  109. habsnyc says:

    turn it around? they are still in the playoff hunt only two points out of fourth place in the division. this is pretty much where most experts expected them to be.

    i agree that putting defensemen on the first line pretty much makes a mockery of the team. certainly Kostitsyn would help.

    would this team have left cournoyer in the minors and stuck jean-guy talbot on the wing with beliveau?

  110. Habfan-Leafhater says:

    Holly crap another first line? When is this gonna end? This is the exact same situation as last year. I’m not just saying this because i’m pissed off but I never thought we would have a coach that would do more damage than Tremblay. Everything was fine the first couple of months of the season, then we have couple of bad games and all of a sudden Streit is on the first line, If you don’tthink thats funny enough, How about Smolinski on the first line? or Kostopoulos on the first line? and don’t even get me started with Latendresse! And now Dandy, Its pathetic. I do not blame the players one bit for the way they’re playing, they’re being coached by a rookie who obviously doesn’t have a clue, can’t motivate, always blaming players and can’t create line combinations, which should be very easy given all the talent we have.

    Its sad to say but because of Gainey and Carbos friendship I don’t see us making a coaching change anytime soon.
    I bet all the other organizations in the NHL just look at our line ups and do nothing but laugh.

    The once “Almighty Montreal Canadiens” Are now the laughing stock of the league.

  111. Hoegarden says:

    Better known as the “Towering Inferno”.

  112. Hoegarden says:

    You ain’t seen nothing yet … wait till the do the square dancing in reverse.

  113. Wops says:

    7.8 is too much for Richards…and for 3 years…

    _______________________________________
    CH is for Chris Higgins

  114. Wops says:

    Vinny! Vinny! Vinny!
    _______________________________________
    CH is for Chris Higgins

  115. Hoegarden says:

    Locke is definitely going to make it somewhere in the “new” NHL next year. He’s unfortunately subject to “waivers” if called up. I certainly would bring him up but it’s hard to know his progress. Lever would know but we’re not getting any feedback from the farm.
    Hopefully they will give D’Agostini a shot soon(our new Ryder may be??) and Ferland brings to the table the same grit as Lapierre with less speed.

  116. Hoegarden says:

    Tomorrow, 07h30 and don’t be late for practice…..

  117. 24 Cups says:

    This is an old rumour that has resurfaced again probably because Tampa is playing Toronto/Montreal this week. Huet/Ryder/Boullion makes sense in terms of what we can afford, both in terms of talent and cap space for this year. However, Richards has 3 more years at $7.8 mil a year which places him in the top five salaries around the league. He’s not close to being a top five player these days and lacks the size that we really need. His cap hit would really tie us down for the next three years especially in light of the fact that we have to resign guys like Higgins and Komisarek to big coin, long term deals. On the other hand, Richards is 27 and in his prime. He’s great on special teams and is a good faceoff man. He played unreal hockey the year Tampa won the cup. Yet there’s something about this guy that just doesn’t click for me. Let’s hold out for Vinny and sign him as a UFA next June. Offer him the 20% cap max and make him the highest player in the league ahead of Crosby and the rest ot them. If the cap goes up to $55 mil next year then we could give him $10-11 mil a year and lose nothing in the process in terms of players while at the same time still pick something up for Huet and Ryder later this year.

    The Original 24Cups

  118. AdamG says:

    in a NY minute
    then lure Vinny here as a UFA when Saku and Kovalev’s contracts run out. all said: huet, ryder, koivu, kovalev and bouillon=$17 million

    richards and lecavalier= $15-17 million. what would you prefer? fill the other roster spots with youngins.

    but that fanciful tale aside, i’d do that trade. richards is overpaid, yes, but one thing Bob has done well is manage the cap. we’re in good shape, even with hamrlik’s 5.5 dent. don’t forget–our goaltending position will be under $2 million for the next few year…

  119. krob1000 says:

    Yes, it is too much but it was too much for Briere as well. Richards is at least responsible defensively. He is also a better offensive player than his numbers suggest as he is not even on the Lightnings top line. He is putting up a point per game as a second fiddle to Vinny. Richards is a great player. Bouillon’s salary is inflated and I doubt the Lightning would want it as part of the deal but …you gotta love rumours. I

    think that deal probably somewhat realistic but I agree with the writer in that Huet woud need to be guaranteed signable for it to occur. We would still be one offensive player short though as we would be giving one up…so it would have to mean another deal or signing player at some point. Richards is an upgrade from Ryder but we need another offnensive player not just an upgrade of one. Ryder is still going to make some team happy for a long time and I still hope it is us.

  120. Corio says:

    Oh boy, here we go, round and round on the merry-go-round!

  121. krob1000 says:

    Wheeeeee!!!! Again!!!

  122. Norm0770 says:

    Yes they are still in the hunt but I think that speaks to the troubles other teams are having. The issue is the on ice effort. It is not like they are plying hard but not getting any bounces or getting beaten by 1 goal, they are getting steamrolled in every game. If everyone hustled like Steve Begin most fans wouldn’t have a problem with loosing, as long as an honest effort is there!

  123. Hoegarden says:

    The Forum ghosts forgot to tag along……….

  124. habsnyc says:

    he’s giving the fans indigestion. it calls for a carbo- selzer, plop-plop fizzle fizzle.

  125. saku11 says:

    yeah but in our last 10 games we’ve got the worst record in the eastern conference, so if the slide continues we won’t find ourselves in the playoff picture.

  126. sidhu says:

    In other words, you’re saying that Carbo is indirectly sending a message to Gainey that he needs a better RW?

  127. Macurd says:

    you can sub in any premier names and say that …

    but the fact remains that if MTL refuses to finish at the bottom of the league, they are at the mercy of hoping other teams stupidly trade away their star players for non-star players and hoping that someone will decide to sign here in the summer.

    until then, we’ll never be able to get good value for gillette’s money.

  128. sidhu says:

    We’d have to dump more than just Huet and Ryder’s salary to make this work. Assuming that we can, I’d do it in a second. Huet and Ryder are UFAs at year’s end anyway. And a three year, $7.8m deal is high, but is roughly in line with the current free agent salaries.

    The way I look at it is, would we give Brad $7.8m a year to come to Montreal if he were a UFA. It’s a lot of money, but we’re not going to land a top-line player for much less.

  129. mrstewart61 says:

    Richards is not great defensively nor a good faceoff man. -9 and 46.8%.

  130. Mr.Hazard says:

    Ghosts don’t exist guys…

    Ex nihilo nihil fit

  131. Corio says:

    Yes that’s crossed my mind but I tend to NOT be superstitious.. :P

  132. Corio says:

    Perhaps not, but cob webs sure do!

  133. johnnyhab says:

    I think Guy blocked one too many shots

  134. Habfan-Leafhater says:

    johnnyhab… LOL

  135. Corio says:

    LOL, ya think?!!!

  136. Leclerc1965 says:

    Cournoyer12, you mentioned Habs fans are funny, do you mean funny like a clown?

  137. habsnyc says:

    the slide won’t continue. there is too much parity.

  138. Scott in Montreal says:

    I’ve certainly been wondering that myself. But you’d think he’s say so to his face. Then again, he called out his 20-year-old rookie goalie during a press conference.

  139. 24 Cups says:

    Conrad Black was sentenced to 6 1/2 years today. I hope and pray that we win the Cup before he gets out of the big house.

    The Original 24Cups

  140. Habsrule1 says:

    I still think you are all ridiculous for blaming Carbo.

    See all that snow outside? FIRE CARBO!

    Go Habs Go!!

    Habsrule

  141. Habfan-Leafhater says:

    I just looked at the schedule and the habs don’t play Saturday the 29th, I think this is the first time they don’t play on a saturday unless its christmas or the all star break. I guess we’ll be stuck with watching the leafs lose.

  142. Leclerc1965 says:

    How does Guy Carbonneau not deserve the blame for the way his team is playing? Help me

  143. mjames says:

    Please explain the team’s obvious inability to compete over the last 10 games. Please explain to me what is Carbo’s function as a coach. After explaining it could you please give us an honest assessment of his performance. I have an open mind.

    Thanks

    mjames

  144. TommyB says:

    I know this has been debated over and over, and I usually am not one to throw fuel on a fire. But I found this little item interesting…..bearing in mind, it is just somebody’s opinion. But if you go to Sportsnet.ca, and click on the item in the top right hand corner, regarding Lecavalier…..

  145. Leclerc1965 says:

    Answer a few questions “honestly” and if the finger doesn’t point back at the coach I will agree with you that he shouldn’t be held responsible.
    1. Why can’t his team win faceoffs? (don’t tell me that faceoffs aren’t a big part of the game, because lost faceoffs in their defensive zone have cost them big goals, not to mention the pressure put on the defense if the opposing team wins this faceoff.)
    2. Why does his players not finish off checks (don’t tell me they are soft because you can teach a poodle to be nasty)
    3. Why are his players not hustling and playing hard for him? (I can save you the grief of thinking about this one because they have lost faith in his “system” and ability to coach competitively)

    Guy Carbonneau is “suppose” to be a defensive specialist (he has also employed an antiquated defensive system) and his players can’t even get the fundamentals of defence right!!!! So who is to blame?????

  146. RiverviewCanadien says:

    do you mean the “Lecavalier ready for habs” item?

  147. TommyB says:

    Yeah, that’s the item I was referring to….let me guess, it has already been mentioned on here, right? I should’ve known. LOL

  148. Leclerc1965 says:

    Tantalizing yes, but we’ve been hearing this for a few years. Tampa would want the world in return, or Carey Price included for that matter. I doubt they will trade for Huet because as a UFA at the end of the year, he will demand 5-6 mil per and Tampa is looking to free up money, not come out of this even steven. Carey Price is not worth trading regardless because of his future value and potential as a franchaise goalie.

  149. Gilles Poisson says:

    Wow. I haven’t watched the news yet. You want to talk karma, there it is. And to Patrick Fitzgerald and Judge St.Eve, I know you are reading, Thank you.

  150. Leclerc1965 says:

    I’m not trying to call you out on this one but I am still waiting for your answers. The answers shouldn’t take that long. We are all Habs fans but we have to be honest with each other, otherwise go an post on a Laffs thread.

  151. Mike says:

    Michael Ryder – Saku Koivu – Alex Kovalev
    Andrei Kostitsyn – Tomas Plekanec – Christopher Higgins
    Guillaume Latendresse – Kyle Chipchura – Mathieu Dandenault
    Mark Streit (if we can’t have anyone else) – Maxim Lapierre – Tom Kostopoulos

    Andrei Markov – Mike Komisarek
    Roman Hamrlik – Ryan O’Byrne
    Francis Bouillon – Patrice Brisebois

    PLEASE!!! why wont carbo try this???

    It can work

  152. Blarneylad says:

    i like ur pic

  153. the_prestigitator says:

    once again, the 2nd line will do the work. tampa bay’s defense is tedious. dandenault won’t make a huge difference in this game. 5-3 habs for tomorrow’s game

  154. showey47 says:

    but he can play the wing

  155. AdamG says:

    i’d swap Gui for Ryder…those are the lines i’ve wanted t osee. but kovalev and koivu, our two best offensive players, won’t play together. don’t know why, but we’ll never see it.

  156. showey47 says:

    throw in bouillon and or dandenault then it workds

  157. habsnyc says:

    it is a good lineup. there is just no reason to put the youngsters on the fourth line when the best carbo can come up with for the top line are smokes, streit and dandenault. they are better off trying chipchura or lapierre on the first line, even though neither is suited for it.

  158. AdamG says:

    which 2nd line? 2A or 2B?

  159. TommyB says:

    Leclerc1965, I would never get into what or who we would have to give up in a trade to bring Lecavalier to Montreal, that is speculation better left to fools! I just found it to be an interesting item on a Toronto-based sports network, and I found it interesting (and it’s anyone’s guess as to how factual) in the fact that they mentioned that Vinny is inevitably Montreal-bound. I leave it to everyone to draw their own conclusions…..and yes, we have heard this for a few years now. The thing to keep in mind, is it may not be a trade that would bring Lecavalier to Montreal. It could be a signing, either by UFA terms, or by RFA terms.

    It’s nothing more than a glimmer of hope, at this point. But you have to admit, it would be sweet.

  160. ebk says:

    don’t agree with the Fire Carbo yet crowd. Do agree he seems to be lacking at times as a head coach.

    On another note, I would image you and most of the Carbo defenders, were also saying don’t fire Julien, Therrien, Vigneault and Tremblay. People just to pull on their Hab goggles and be more patient

  161. sidhu says:

    “What do ya mean, funny? Let me understand this ‘cuz, I don’t know maybe it’s me, but I’m funny how? I mean, funny like I’m a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh… I’m here to amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?”

  162. Leclerc1965 says:

    Not just sweet but extremely sweet!

  163. Chuck says:

    Dandenault was originally a forward (drafted as one, actually) who was converted to a defenseman.
    .
    .
    .

    ______________________________________________
    “Vote Saku for All-Star… or little Timmy gets it!!!”

  164. Hot_Pie says:

    Guys, here’s the best combination of lines EVAR:

    Tits – Plek – Kovalev
    Higgins – Koivu – Kovalev
    Lats – Chip – Kovalev
    Tom – Lapierre – Kovalev

    Markov – Komi
    Komi – Hamrlik
    Markov – Hamrlik

    The cup is ours!

  165. Smart Dog says:

    Great lines Hot Pie!

    Are you interested in being coach? We could use someone like you.

    – Dog Bainey

  166. slamtherimtim says:

    THIS IS FREAKIN RETARDED ,,, now we have a 6th defencemen , 4th liner playing on the first line ,, i feel sorry for anyone going to the game , the team should offer a refund now for any fan not happy with the progress of the team . what gives

  167. Wops says:

    As always, a great read from James Duthie. Check this out!

    http://www.tsn.ca/tsn_talent/columnists/james_duthie/

    What do you think of this idea?
    _______________________________________
    CH is for Chris Higgins

  168. The Teacher says:

    I never did understand what was so wrong with a TiE!!!!

    I agree with Duthie 100%…SHOOTOUTS SUCK!

  169. linp says:

    Lecavalier will be a free agent by summer 2009. He is making 7.16 mil. Koivu and Kovalev will also be free agents by then. Montreal can afford to sign Lecavalier assuming that we have a few young guns who can play with him. Does it mean that I should quit watching hockey until then?

    I understand Carbo’s line change this time. I was shaking my head to see Ryder just didn’t skate with Higgins/Koivu. That line was dysfunctional. A few times I watched Higgins/Koivu fighting for the puck down low and Ryder just standing on the blue line day dreaming. Of course, it would be better offensively to bring up Grabovski or Kostitsyn, but they may be defensive liabilities. I am very disappointed in Ryder’s attitude. Why he didn’t try to skate and play with his line mate is beyond me. Putting him on the PP is also a waste of time. He didn’t go to the net. He is not a good set-up man.
    What else?
    In my last post, I wanted to see Higgins – Koivu – Kovalev play together. Carbo said that he wants to keep the 2nd line in tact. We’ll see what happens. I agree that playing Koivu and Kovalev on the same line is equivalent to putting all our eggs in one basket. It would be all or nothing.

  170. Smart Dog says:

    THE BEST LINES EVER!!!!
    Hot Pie – Borat – Smart Dog
    Cournoyer12 – Mike – Habsync
    Leclerc 65 – Yoda – Batman
    Spiderman – Superman – Thor

    WHO NEEDS A DEFENSE?

  171. Leclerc1965 says:

    How come I got stuck on the 3rd line? I haven’t been tried on the top line yet!

  172. Norm0770 says:

    At least he’s got good size.

  173. madhabsfan says:

    Right in again Mike. Fans in Montreal have every reason imaginable to boo.

    1) Amateurish mistakes
    2) One cough-up after another
    3) Defensemen playing forward
    4) Defensemen playing on the first line!!! (God help us…)
    5) Michael Ryder…Enough said.
    6) Pathetic home record
    7) Patheitc scoring 5 on 5
    8) The first line center and team captain with one even-strength goal (5 total)
    9) Lousy penalty killing
    10) No offensive stars. No big names.
    11) No apparent desire on the part of the management to do anything about it.

    This is what the most passionate, most loyal, and most ripped-off fans in the league get?
    Get the papar bags out. Let the boo birds soar!

    And to those who think this is wrong, I have one thing to say: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

  174. Smart Dog says:

    Yeah, but how do you REALLY feel?

  175. Leclerc1965 says:

    And that folks is one madhabsfan!

  176. Moey says:

    This isn’t Mike’s e-mail Einstein, and obviously the booing tactic isn’t working, it’s just getting them more rattled. Any other bright ideas?

  177. jrshabs1 says:

    Dude I’m mad as hell to, same b.s. every year. My favorite team bites, I can’t even defend them anymore. I live in leaf nation and get beat down every day. Help!!

  178. Smart Dog says:

    Tell you what…play net this week and you can be on the first line next game!

  179. Leclerc1965 says:

    Either that or the pouting line with Cournoyer12!

  180. doogie says:

    We the fans, like Carbo the coach, must be tired of all the “line searching” at this stage of the season!

    What was the very best scoring line in Hamilton last year, during the Calder Cup? Put those dudes together.

    When I saw the lineup in late Sept, with Smolinski, Kostopolous and Brisebois, I must admit, the first thing that popped into my head was this:

    15th place in the East. maybe coming true now.

  181. Leclerc1965 says:

    You sir can sit in the press box. That’s until Carbonneau decides to line juggle again and can reward you with putting you back on the top line.

  182. The Teacher says:

    Haha, no, we all must learn to work together :P

  183. hhl says:

    cant forget, the executioner. oh wait philly allready has three of them.and they all suck

  184. hhl says:

    good example of buttman’s way of instilling competition.in terms of points bad teams r just as good as the good teams with 2 really good teams.theres the really good,n the good. no bad or ugly. except the lafs ( but that s a personnal opinion.)

  185. hhl says:

    how bout “the power rangers!!!!!”

  186. hhl says:

    nevermind they suk to

  187. habsguy says:

    don’t mention players who were drove out of here….oh and Vinnie could have come here before and didn’t…why becouse of fans like the ones here. Just look around the league and count how many head coaches were driven out of Montreal ….

  188. WindsorHab-10 says:

    Goes to show you that our coaching staff is clueless. We have become a joke around the league. God help us.

  189. POPS says:

    Again no Koivu-Kovalev power unit? Why does the coach refuse to put these two together? This defencemen playing forward is also a joke. Maybe we should use Huet as the sixth defenceman! If you want a “first” line, you have to put at least two of your best offensive weapons together!!! Does anyone on this site agree?

  190. A_Habs_Blazer says:

    I kind of like seeing Dandenault on the 1st line over Streit and Smolinski.

    Nevertheless, I still feel we have the potential for some awesome lines that have not been tried.

    I know everyone seems to be taking their turns at this these days, and I don’t have Carbonneau’s experience BUT I REMEBER the most dominant line we had at the end of the year last year.

    I’m talking about:

    Plekanec, Higgins and Kostistyn. What happened to playing these guys together?

    In that case you can put together:

    Koivu, Kovalev, Ryder/Latendresse

    Chipchura, Ryder/Latendresse, Dandenault

    Lapierre, Streit Kostopoulous

    I just think we should really just build around that first line, plus koivu and kovalev might be pretty good together.

    I think we have a tendency to jump on the fire Carbo bandwagon a little quick but the fact that the line of Kost, Plek and Higgy hasn’t played together makes me doubt him as well.

    Is Koivu demanding to play with Higgins?
    Or is Kovalev demanding to play with Kosty?

    In my mind, those are the only situations that explain why Carbo has not tried that line yet.


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