Crisp gets hat-trick in final rookie scrimmage; 55 players invited to main camp

The Canadiens’ rookie camp wrapped up Monday with an 11 a.m. Red vs. White scrimmage in Brossard that turned into a blowout.

Team Red, led by three goals from Connor Crisp (photo above), beat Team White 8-1. Crisp, who was selected by the Canadiens in the third round (71st overall) at this year’s NHL draft, is the nephew of former NHL player and coach Terry Crisp.

Also scoring for Team Red were Erik  Nystrom with two goals, Dalton ThrowerBrady Vail and Joel Gervais-Chouinard. Michael Bournival scored the lone goal for Team White. Michael Condon stopped 17 of 18 shots for Team Red and Zach Fucale stopped all seven shots he faced. For Team White, Peter Delmas stopped 11 of 14 shots and Christopher Festarini made 11 saves on 16 shots.

While the rookies were holding their Red vs. White scrimmage, 22 regulars from the Canadiens practised and then played a game of five-on-five shinny on the second rink in Brossard. Newcomer George Parros seemed to be the man in charge, drawing up the drills on a board and running the practice before the shinny game started. Louis Leblanc was among the 22 players on the ice.

The rookie game was delayed for a minute or so while the regular Habs players came out of the locker room and skated across the main practice rink to get to the second rink. Parros received the biggest ovation from the crowd watching the rookies and flashed a big smile from behind his moustache in return.

After the final rookie scrimmage, the Canadiens announced that 55 players, including 23 of the 40 players who attended the rookie camp, will take part in the main training camp, which begins Wednesday in Brossard with physicals and fitness testing. The players will have their first official on-ice session Thursday.

Tweeted excited rookie goalie Fucale after the list of 55 players was announced: “Montreal Canadiens main camp!”

Tweeted first-round draft pick Michael McCarron, en francais: “Ravi d’être invité au gros camp. Merci de votre soutien!! Canadiens main camp! #Habs”

On Saturday, the Canadiens will play an informal Red vs. White scrimmage at the Bell Centre, starting at 1 p.m. Tickets cost $5 (taxes included) and are available at and, or through the Bell Centre’s ticket office. Each ticketholder will receive a free hot dog, a bag of chips and a soft drink. Proceeds from this scrimmage game will be donated to the Fonds Avenir Lac-Mégantic.

The Canadiens will play their first exhibition games at the Bell Centre Sunday night against Buffalo and Monday against Boston. All seven preseason games will be televised by RDS. You can see the preseason schedule by clicking here.

(Photo by Dario Ayala/The Gazette)

55 players invited to main camp,

List of players invited to main camp,

Habs invite Crisp to main camp, by Pat Hickey

Snipers in training,


  1. krob1000 says:

    One advantage Tinordi will likely have over Beaulieu? Cap hit…..even if both realize their potential Tinordi will likely be paid less because he is more of a defensive dman. He will likely make Gorges money and Beaulieu will likely be a fixture on the pp down the road and be a top pairing guy….will likely earn 5-6 million at some point.

  2. shiram says:

    Tinordi is one year older than Bealieu, so that’s another reason why he might look more ready etc…
    Hopefully Beaulieu catches on during this season.

  3. Mattyleg says:

    Just a wee note on the political thing that’s going on in Quebec today:

    I’m glad this is happening because it exposes the PQ and La Reine Pauline as the dated, anachronistic, and blinkered gang of fools that they really are.

    At one moment in time, the PQ had a valid and relevant agenda.
    That time is over, and they’ve been left grasping at straws, the lion’s share of their original agenda having already been fulfilled (i.e. equality for French-Canadians and a preservation of language and culture).

    What is happening now is that we’re watching the PQ play themselves into the minor, extreme role that suits them best, while Frank Legault and his Coalition gain reputation and credibility off the PQ’s back, thus cementing themselves as the true ‘other’ option in Quebec for those who don’t want to vote Liberal.

    ‘s’all good, y’all.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Cal says:

      CAQ, and their name is so apropos it is laughable, share the PQ’s “values”. Instead of distancing themselves from that putrid pile, they embrace it.
      It’s kind of why last year the Liberals finished a close second, despite their horrendous record when governing.

      Ah, enough local politics! My stomach’s getting queasy.

    • Hate to say it, but Legault’s CAQ supports a secular charter too, as do some two thirds of Quebecers apparently. It’s loathsome policy — or rather, it’s what small-minded governments do to rally support instead of making policy — but sadly it’s likely to improve the PQ’s standing at the polls.

      “Until we get an apology we’re not going to win a game. We vow not to win until we get an apology from Bettman.” -Sabre Dixon Ward

  4. bwoar says:

    I think Tinordi is leading in the poll simply because he’s showing his superiority to Beaulieu between the ears. I’ve been promised that N8 the GR8 is something of a special talent, but he’s in dire need of MT’s Personal Development Program at the moment.


    • dsturge10 says:

      Agree. I am starting to wonder, all talent aside, if Nathan will become one of these room poisons who has a couple of years in the league and begins bouncing from team to team until he ultimately heads off to the KHL or some European league. There appears to be some demons. I would hate to remember him in the same light as guys like David Wilkie and David Fisher.

      “We don’t feel the pressure. We apply the pressure.” – Michel Therrien

  5. Re: the Tinordi vs. Beaulieu thing, you’ve got to have a guy like Tinordi on your blue line, and like Hobie says, he’s a rare find — especially in Montreal. But a great team has both Tinordis and Beaulieus, and arguing about which is “better,” is like arguing about whether Patrick Roy was better than Joe Sakic. They’re just not comparable.

    My $0.02 though: a guy like Beaulieu is more valuable in the current market. Whereas Tinordi is stronger defensively and brings great grit, Beaulieu is competent defensively and vastly stronger offensively, and there aren’t too many D-men considered elite who can’t put up points. When top-end defence-only guys come along, they don’t command salaries in the range of the Doughtys, Subbans, Letangs and Suters. Karlsson is no great shakes in his own zone, but his cap hit is $6.5M. A D-man with his skills reversed — average offensive ability and superstar defence — will never get into the $6.5-8M range, as evidenced by Girardi ($3.4M), McDonagh ($4.7), Klesla ($3M), Hedman ($4M), Paul martin ($5M), Kronwall ($4.75M), etc. That says something about what NHL teams values most in a player.

    “Until we get an apology we’re not going to win a game. We vow not to win until we get an apology from Bettman.” -Sabre Dixon Ward

  6. Bripro says:

    Good morning everyone!
    How many, if any, watched l’AntiChambre last night?
    They had MT on. He really is a changed man from coaching in the early 00s.
    And the panel’s enthusiasm is contagious.
    First off, they announced that they’ll be showing the pre-season schedule on their network….. is this new to anyone (Timo)?
    Secondly, Vinny Damphousse, who is always the rational voice, sees the acquisition of Briere as a real coup. And I agree.
    Forget the size. The Habs were able to get bigger this year, and this young man is a sniper, killer on the PP and in the playoffs.
    The main camp starts tomorrow, and although Beaulieu is invited, it’s agreed that he showed up out of shape this year, and was sucking wind,….. big time. I can’t wait to see his true potential, but if he’s another head case (AK72), then better to let him ripen in Hamilton.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      Not sure about young man Bri. I think Briere is 36 which by NHL standards is pretty old. 🙂

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

    • Timo says:

      I don’t know about changes. He still got spectacularly out-couched in the first round and while the other coach concentrated on making sure team is prepared, MT couldn’t find enough time in a day to run his mouth at press conferences.

      • Bripro says:

        I’m not sure about being out-coached.
        Let’s face it, with a depleted lineup and no depth, the tools were limited.

        And anyone who’s 20 years younger than me is a young man….IMO.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Believe it or not, I lean closer to Timo on this one. I was not happy when MT was chosen, but was and am willing to give him a chance to prove he indeed has improved since his last go around. But I do think that the Walrus did outcoach MT, if nothing else he certainly got in MT’s head and had MT focused on things other than game plans it appeared.

          No doubt Habs were injured, out manned etc… but I thought MacLean did a better job than MT. Having said that, MacLean is showing himself to be a pretty good coach. Now MT needs to prove he is a pretty good one as well.

          • Timo says:

            And I say give him that chance. What’s few more years waiting to see this team become at least competitive. We’ve waited for 20… so another 10 or so is nothing.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            @Timo, haha, I actually think MT’s window is this year. He needs to show that he can provide a proper defensive structure and see improvement on the special teams.

            If after this season, we are still discussing the “Swarm” he will begin to be on borrowed time. I agree on giving him the chance, but that chance will not be 10 years, (and yes I picked up on your sarcasm, well played)

          • Bripro says:

            OK…. both of you.
            Why must a coach who took a team from worst to best (or close) be scrutinized.
            I can’t help but think that both of you are letting his previous record get in the way.
            I wouldn’t want either of you as jurors at any of my trials…. not saying there are any …. YET.

      • B says:

        Both coaches ran their mouths a lot during the playoffs, not uncommon. Therrien may have been a bit “out coached” by the Jack Adams winner, but which would have had a bigger impact in that play off series, if the teams swapped coaches or if they swapped goalies?

        –Go Habs Go!–

  7. Timo says:

    Have we finally figured out whether RDS is showing the preseason games or not? I could barely sleep last night without knowing.

    • Luke says:

      RDS? Is that on TV now?

    • SmartDog says:

      I think the answer to this is in the new Quebec Charter of Values.

      If not, it should be. In place of all the other crap/garbage/trash they’re stuffing it with.

      I really don’t get involved in politics. But Quebec’s becoming an international laughingstock. Considering banning the word “Pasta” from menus, outlawing turbans “for safety reasons”… and I can’t WAIT to see what kind of racist crap Marois comes up with today. She is running a ship of fools. Narcissistic, arrogant, bigoted, flag-waving, nationalist fools.

      Can you smell what the dog is sniffin?

      • Cal says:

        Her show will be cancelled very soon. Not to worry.

      • John Q Public says:

        A top secret source has leaked the following:

        Art. 33 :: A partir de maintenant tous les chiens doivent être parfaitement bilingue (français et chien).
        Exception: Go Habs Go!

        Art. 41 :: Les chiens ne dois pas porter banadanas qu’ils pourraient sembler les hijabs.
        Exception: Si le bandana est des Canadiens de Montréal.

    • Sportfan says:

      Now are we sure its RDS that will be the channel or will it be another channel?

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    • huge_polar_bear says:

      In case this question was actually keeping you up at night (and maybe many others), the answer is they will be all on RDS. Here is an excerpt from their site. It was part of this story:

      Le Tricolore entreprendra son calendrier préparatoire le 15 septembre, alors qu’il recevra la visite des Sabres de Buffalo. Les Bruins de Boston seront au Centre Bell le lendemain soir. L’équipe disputera sept parties préparatoires, dont cinq à Montréal et une à Québec, contre les Hurricanes de la Caroline.

      RDS diffusera tous les matchs préparatoires du Tricolore.

  8. Hobie Hansen says:

    I think the Tinordi Vs Beaulieu question kinda defines a lot of arguments around here.

    Who’s worth more to a team? A PP defenceman who scores 15 goals a year and collects 40-50 points a season? Or a top tier defensive defenceman who kills penalties, shuts down his end and punishes people with huge hits?

    In recent history the habs have had flashy offensive defenders like Markov, Subban, Streit, Kaberle and a few others, and it’s really gotten them nowhere. Is that their fault, probably not.

    Gill was pretty good for a couple years, Hamerlik wasn’t too bad, but Montreal hasn’t had a beast in their own end that makes getting to the net and scoring goals very difficult for the other team, in many years. I think people forget that having a guy like that is a major piece to the puzzle to competing for a Sanley cup. I can see Tinordi easily leading the team in even strength and penalty kill minutes for many years to come.

    We already have Subban, Dietz looks like he could be an offensive threat for this team one day, So Beaulieu has some company in that department. Tinordi is much more of a rare find, especially in Montreal.

    • Luke says:

      I suppose it comes down to:

      “It takes all types.”

      You need guys who provide offense, guys who provide defense and guys who can do a bit of both. And hopefully one or two guys who can excel at both.

      Beaulieu will be a better offensive player than Tinordi.
      Tinordi will be a better defensive player than Beaulieu.

      Who is going to have the ‘more successful’ career, you really can’t say. Depends on what you think ‘more successful’ is.
      Is it games played? Dollars earned? Stanley Cups won? Individual Trophies?

      I think, because Beaulieu has the natural offensive instinct and that, unlike defense isn’t something you can teach, he has the potential to be a more impactful/important player than Tinordi.

      • Mattyleg says:

        I agree, It takes all types.

        Hockey’s a team sport, and (as many individual players, from Ilya Kovalchuck to Roberto Luongo have proven) it takes the right COMBINATION of players, and not individual players who don’t fit together (see Penguins, Pittsburgh; Playoffs 2013)to make a successful team.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • myron.selby says:

      So Markov was a “flashy offensive defender”? Come on Hobie, you know better than that. In his prime Markov was one of the top 4 or 5 D in the world. He was a small step down from Lidstrom (and I still think that if he’d stayed healthy for his whole career there would be arguments as to which one was better).

      The point of defence is not to hospitalize the opposing forwards but to separate them from the puck or, failing that, keep them from getting meaningful scoring opportunities and there were very few who did that better than Markov.

      He made a whole parade of average to good partners look elite (think Komi, Souray and Streit). Do you really think that Subban wins the Norris last year without Markov teaching him how to find the seams and teeing them up for him on the power play?

      Serge Savard never went in for the big hit but I don’t think anyone would ever have accused him of being a one dimensional offensive D-man.

      I find it interesting how little respect Markov gets. I think there is a tendency for people to undervalue him because of the injuries he had to work through. It’s almost as if people blame him for getting hurt so they refuse to recognize how good he really was/is.

      And – fearless prediction time – if Markov stays healthy they will sign him again. They’d be foolish not to given how integral he was to running the power play. Subban scored the goals but Markov is the quarterback that makes it all go.

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        I agree, Markov was world class and very sound defensively! You can only fit so many words in a post…while trying to work on the side. ;-).

        • myron.selby says:

          Where’s your sense of priorities man? You’ll have time to work when you retire. For now, we demand clear, coherent – and most of all – comprehensive hockey discussions from you.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        I understand your point Myron, but I think what Hobie is pointing out is the need that teams have for that pure defensive workhorse, a true Clydesdale. Just as Lidstrom was indeed great, he had a teammate like Kronwall who provided the physical element that excellent teams need.

        Markov indeed was more than offense, but every great/really good team, should have an ox in their defence core.

  9. joeybarrie says:

    Flyers sign Dan Cleary. Pretty good guy, but I think they over paid a bit. However they do get the Pronger LTIR relief from the cap.

    That in mind, can anyone recommend a good site or article previewing the season and grading all the teams moves or lack there of.
    Caps picked up Grabs, and being somewhat biased (being a Habs fan) im interested in reading something impartial.

  10. Lafleurguy says:

    @JB, 🙂
    Five Man Electical Band….”I’m a Stranger Here”….
    “Oh you crazy fools don’t you know you had it made,
    You were liveing in paradise…..”

    “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

  11. habsfan0 says:

    Interesting day today.
    1)Quebec charter of values to be unveiled.
    2)Apple releases new iPhone(s).
    3)Eve of opening of Habs training camp.

    Not sure which I’m anticipating the most.

    • Eddie says:

      Quebec Charter of Values?

      Its like the PQ has no shame. It’s “cool” to be a bigot in (edit) the Parti Quebecois’ Quebec.

      From the Globe and Mail; “Pauline Marois is defending her plans for a Quebec “values” charter with a harsh criticism of multiculturalism, including a suggestion that it leads to homegrown terrorism”.

      Marois actually said the following with a straight face, “In England, they get into fights and throw bombs at one another because of multiculturalism.”

      I was taught a different version of “values”, Mme Marois. I was taught, and I have been proud to teach my children, that we respect EVERYONE no matter what their religion, what they wear, how they look.

      Teaching “values” means teaching tolerance for differences in people.

      • Cal says:

        Do NOT assume that “It’s “cool” to be a bigot in Quebec. ”
        Lumping all of us in with the PQ and Marois is a BIG mistake. Her minority government is about to be thrown out. Well, 6 weeks after the Quebec Liberals bring them down.

    • Sportfan says:

      Don’t forget the two baseball games to be played in Montreal next year. SHould be announced today.

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  12. TheKarl says:

    In case anyone is curious, Collberg in a brief interview states that he does not intend to play in the AHL this season: “If I don’t make the team, I’ll go straight back to Frolunda” – but he is dead set on trying to make the team this year, and that the NHL is ultimately his big dream.

    • netninja says:

      I said it yesterday and i’ll say it again today, I am really excited to see this kid play… Unfortunately can’t see him fitting into the team this year with the lineups we have unless he blows them away during training camp.

  13. Strabo says:

    With the talk about goalies this morning. Will Waite work with all goalies in the system? If not who is the goalie coach with the Dogs, and whatever ECHL team we are with this year?

    “Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I’m not sure about the former.” Albert Einstein

  14. secretdragonfly says:

    @Lafleurguy – I think you’re thinking of Jason Missiaen (6’8″), drafted in 2008 and signed by the Rangers as a free agent in 2011.

  15. HabinBurlington says:

    Tinordi vs. Beaulieu Poll Question

    I suspect the reason Tinordi is leading by such a margin has less to do with talent and more to do with reasonable expectations. I am guessing than many here hope that Tinordi can become a Craig Ludwig type defenceman. Big, strong, defensively responsible, leadership skills, heart and a long steady career.

    Beaulieu I would think many may project to become a very high end offensive Dman whom also has a touch of nastiness and physicality. I am not sure which Dman to compare him to, but the expectations of Beaulieu are that of a high end dman.

    So the question becomes, which defenceman do you predict has a better chance of living up to those expectations. My vote is Tinordi, while still hoping Beaulieu indeed also succeeds.

    • Cal says:

      Everyone is high on Beaulieu’s skill and talent. I’ve seen way too many soft puckmovers on the Habs blue line in recent years (not that Beaulieu is soft, but we’ll see). Drafting a BIG Dman who keeps improving is a great thing for the Habs organization. I am hoping he has Craig Ludwig-like success with the Habs for many years.

    • I went with Tinordi, I based my pick on that I had three cups of coffee this morning and plus I liked what I saw in him in the short time he was in Montreal. Stu C and I talked about Tinordi last April while chugging back some pepsi. When players get a sniff of the NHL and then get sent down to the farm, they go two ways. They work their butts off to get back, or not. Tinordi did everything right, and got the call. I like him!

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    • Marc10 says:

      Hey guys,

      I hadn’t voted… but yeah, skills wise Beaulieu can do pretty much everything. The only reason you’d pick Tinordi is that Beaulieu could have a spotty career as all the off ice reports (beyond the criminal activity with dad) are not good. Out of shape, unprofessional, lacklustre effort… It could be more media nonsense, but if it’s not then you could easily see a solid D guy like Tinordi get the better of him.

    • krob1000 says:

      I like to hope that Beaulieu can become a poor mans Duncan Keith. Fluid skating, solid defensively, all round guy who can be trusted in any situation. The expectation is not that unrealistic. The only issue is his time may not come to play such a role until Makov is no longer required.

      • Luke says:

        Or, perhaps His time may make Markov ‘no longer required’.

        If Beaulieu is ready and capable, then I am sure they won’t mind easing the throttle off the Markov train.

  16. Lafleurguy says:

    Hey time-zone-leader-buds in Nfld., you may be able to see the Bulldogs live in the near future:

    “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”
    Edit: the Bulldogs may already be a visitor to the Rock, pardon my ignorance.

  17. Lafleurguy says:

    Noticed the name “Martin St. Pierre,” an older and smaller player listed on the training camp roster. He’s had 38 career NHL games so he’s unlikely to catch up to the Bounced Czech (Tomas Kaberle, 984).

    “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

  18. JF says:

    Why have the Habs invited 55 players to their training camp? How much of a look can these kids get in a single week? Most of them are years away, and there are no obvious spots to fill in any case. Wouldn’t it make for a more focused camp if only those players were invited who had a real chance of either sticking right away or getting a call-up in the event of injury? It’s true that the kids will familiarize themselves a bit with the organization and get a taste of what the big team is like, but I wonder if that is really necessary at this stage; plus they got a bit of a taste in the rookie camp. As for the coaches getting to know the prospects, the likelihood of the present coaching staff being around when any of the kids make it is small. I’m just wondering about the logic behind inviting so many players.

    • Lafleurguy says:

      Upside: Motivation for up-and-comers and B-grade not-going-up-anymores.
      Downside: One or more of the core group gets injured. (see Steve Quailer, not that he’s in the core group)

      “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

    • Cal says:

      2 exhibition games in 2 nights should answer your question, aside from giving the invitees a taste of the SHOW. Next Tuesday, many players (around 25) will be heading to their minor league teams.

    • formerly known as the hc says:

      It’s one thing for a kid to be told what he needs to do to stick with the big club. It’s another to experience for himself.

  19. Hobie Hansen says:

    So the boys arrive for physicals tomorrow. Pretty cool that Mike McCarron was invited to camp. Looks like he’ll play a few exhibition games?

    And finally we’ll get to see who’s playing well and instead of arguing about who the top six on defence will be, we’ll start to see it unfold on the ice instead. Should be a good camp!

    1st preseason game this Sunday on RDS, woohoo!

    • Cal says:

      We’re getting there, Hobie, and it’s about time.

    • Phil C says:

      I’m sure we’ll still find a way to argue. That’s what we do. 😉

      It will be interesting because they have three or four guys knocking on the door to play in the NHL (Tinordi, Pateryn, Beaulieu, Nygren), and the Habs still have a hole in their middle pairing. With Emelin injured, there is a real opportunity for someone to step up.

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        We might see Tinordi bump out Bouillon, Drewiske or maybe even Diaz. Who knows, maybe Murray has dropped off even more and Diaz and Tinordi are in the lineup?

        But I think next year, Diaz, Murray and Markov will be gone and the young guys will really get a chance.

        • Mustang says:

          Now that both Gomez and Kaberle are gone, which veteran will become the lightning rod for our rath after a loss or two? Oh ya, I almost forgot that DD is still with the team. Any other suggestions?

          • HabinBurlington says:

            That is a loaded question depends on which poster you are talking about. There is a litany of players who will definitely feel the wrath immediately depending on which individual is posting.

            I am sure we will see Gionta, DD, Price, Moen, Drewiskie, etc…. all will get their share of unwanted attention.

            Then there is always the coach…….

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            Even the casual fan sees Eller, Plekanec and galchenyuk and wonders what the heck the Habs are going to do with Desharnais?

            It’s not really Deshanias fault though. He would have fit in nice on a lot of the crappy teams we had in the late 90s and early 2000s. But even a minor hockey league coach wouldn’t want him playing center in front of the three above mentioned guys.

        • Phil C says:

          That’s the tough part with a guy like Murray, he is so slow, that if he loses another half step, he would be useless. On the other hand, he is supposed to be in great shape, so if he is at his best, he might even be good enough to play with Subban. Let Murray dig all the pucks out of the corner and just feed it to Subban to work his magic. Murray had success playing with Boyle in San Jose.

          I don’t see Tinordi taking Drewiske’s spot in the pressbox. If he doesn’t crack the top six, he is better off in Hamilton playing huge minutes. At least that’s what I hope.

  20. mksness says:

    Not sure if anyone noticed but a huge change is coming this year for goalies:

    For example a goalie like halak lost 2 inches on each pad, which is huge

    This might be a huge thing for goalies across the league to adjust too. especially the goalies who were using league max pads

  21. Maritime Ronn says:

    Interesting to note that goaltender invitee – soon to be only 24 year old Dustin Tokarski, gets little to no mention or attention.

    Over the years, many have stated how Carey Price has won at every level and supposedly has a huge ‘potential’ upside, yet Tokarski has also accomplished some outstanding things and has also won at every level.

    In Junior, he lead Spokane to the 2008 Memorial Cup and won both Stafford Smythe Memorial Trophy (Memorial Cup MVP) and Hap Emms Memorial Trophy (Memorial Cup outstanding goalie)

    He also was the Team Canada goalie at the 2009 World Juniors where Canada won Gold and was outstanding in the final.
    In 2012, he lead Norfolk (Tampa) to the AHL Calder Cup.

    He has won at every level and wins the big games.
    Tampa gave him 5 NHL games, and his performance was subpar on a lousy hockey team.

    Unfortunately for Tokarski, there doesn’t appear to be an NHL fit for him in Montreal with Price and Fucale coming in 3-4 years.

    The solution might be a trade with Burkie Calgary that has THE worst goalie situation in the NHL at this moment (Joey MacDonald-Karri Ramo)
    Burke knows him well as Norfolk was the team that beat his Marlies for the Calder Cup back in 2012.
    Perhaps Bergevin can convince Burke that Tokarski is worth a 2nd Round pick next year that will most probably be 30 overall as NJ has a 1st round forfeit.

    • I don’t know Tokarski, but when goalies sit in the AHL, there’s more than just not given a chance to play.

      Personality and Character issues also keep good players out of the big leagues.

      That’s all speculation of course and just an opinion. His real issues are below.

      When I look at Dustin Tokarski the first thing that I see is that he’s small for a goalie. In this NHL teams want bigger goalies with skill. There are some exceptions of course, but Tokarski doesn’t rock anyone’s world.

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      • Maritime Ronn says:

        Agree that personality and character could sometimes be issues, but being part of a horse crap organization also doen’t help.

        This present Habs management was the one that traded for him and you would have to imagine they did some homework concerning personality and character…

        As for size, he is only a few inches smaller and actually heavier than a few of THE top 4 goalies in the NHL Quick- Rask-Lundqvist-Crawford.

        • But see here is the difference in size. Halak and Tokarski are almost identical in size. I’m talking on and off ice. Halak stops pucks and amazes people (not me) and Tokarski doesn’t. He doesn’t impress anyone, and was brought into Montreal because they were lacking in the farm department. The only thing saving him from being a career AHL goalie is his age. He still has time to become a future NHL goalie, I bet a backup but better than nothing at all.

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    • Sal from the Hammer says:

      I heard from a scout for Tampa, that Tokarski has issues with his conditioning. He relies on his natural talent, which is obviously not bad, but, at the NHL level, it not enough.

  22. 24 Cups says:

    It’s all about your agent I guess.

    Karl Alzner signs for four years at 2.8M a season. Compare that to Josh Gorges’ contract.

    But then the Flyers go out and sign Danny Cleary for 2.7M a season for THREE years. This for a guy who is 34 and had no contract as of Sept 9th.

    Does this mean that MB gives Simon Gagne a tryout offer to training camp? Could be good injury insurance for the first few months of the season.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Given there was much speculation that Gagne would indeed re-sign with Philly once the cap situation was clarified, one has to wonder if indeed he is still headed there.

      While I think Gagne would be worth a tryout, I just don’t know how all those bodies get juggled to make room, if indeed he impresses.

      Morning Steve, hope you are well my friend.

      • 24 Cups says:

        Gerald – I think these tryout invites are not reflective of rosters or depth charts. The Habs are in good shape on LW with MaxPac, Galchenyuk, Bourque, Prust and Moen. But you never know what injuries might occur is camp and the exhibition season.

        Gagne is one of the most injury prone players in the league. He has only averaged around 50 games a season over the past six years. But he’s just 33 and is a solid two way player. The Habs have once again gone with a ridiculous 55 man camp so what the hell is one more.

    • Chris says:

      Karl Alzner was a RFA, while Gorges signed his contract with UFA status looming. That explains the extra million for Gorges.

      Teams are less concerned about the 34 years old than they maybe should be because so many players are playing into their late 30’s now. Cleary has been a 15 goal, 40 point player for a few years, and $2.7 M is a pretty fair compensation for that level of production. Throw in his defensive responsibility and I don’t think it is a bad deal.

      • 24 Cups says:

        Chris – Alzner must have the worst agent in the league as he has now signed two bad contracts.

        As for Cleary, it’s not about his true worth to a team at the age of 34 but rather his worth on the new CBA market. Teams without cap space are not able to give out contracts such as this while the teams with cap space don’t have the cash. I think Philly could have signed Cleary for the same type of deal that Murray got from the Habs.

  23. Mavid says:

    I am one of those happy people..sorry forgot my share of smileys here they are

    🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂

    Weed Wacker Gramda Smurf

  24. Mavid says:

    Well Ladies and Gents were into the final stretch only 5 days to go..Saturday night will be hockey night..enjoying lovely Halifax, today we are going to Peggy’s is a little nipply at night but the trailer has a good heater so we are very cozy..hopefully I will be somewhere were I can watch it…

    Weed Wacker Gramda Smurf

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      Bernie Geoffrion (1951-1964)
      Gerard Desaulniers (1951)
      Lulu Denis (1951)
      Bert Hirschfeld (1951)
      Gilles Tremblay (1968-1969)
      Guy Lapointe (1971-1982)
      Rick Green (1983-1989)
      Gerald Diduck (1991)
      Alain Cote (1991-1992)
      Rob Ramage (1993-1994)
      Christian Proulx (1994)
      Stephane Quintal (1996-2004)

      Plus some other pre 1950

      Jean Pusie
      Gizzy Hart
      Didier Pitre
      Dutch Hiller

      • Mavid says:

        wow your on the ball today 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂

        Weed Wacker Gramda Smurf

        • Maritime Ronn says:

          I was waiting for you…
          🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂

          Be careful at Peggy’s Cove.
          There’s always a surprise rogue wave waiting to happen so don’t go down too close.
          I just looked out across the Bay at the Peggy’s cove area and the water has a little chop so you should see some nice waves there today.

    • Lafleurguy says:

      Gilles Tremblay. Honorable mentions, Rick Green, Stephane Quintal.

      “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Guy Lapointe.

    • JohnBellyful says:

      [stupid power outage]

      -finger discount
      Great Lakes
      o’clock shadow (5:30 in Newfoundland)
      senses (women: vision, hearing, smell, touch, decency; men: vision, hearing, smell, touch, direction)
      -star restaurant
      -string banjo
      -second rule
      -0 (cop show based in Hawaii)
      card draw
      W’s (who, what, when, where, why)
      -and-dime (remember those?)
      alarm fire (equivalent to two Hab losses in a row)
      by five (everything’s hunky-dory)
      easy pieces (no names, please)
      -minute major (rite of passage for the Broad Street Bullies)
      man electrical band; they now have a wind (turbine) section
      stages of grief (general population: denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance)
      stages of grief (Hab fans: anger, depression, anger, depression, anger)

  25. Phil C says:

    Cleary supposedly to sign in Philadelphia for $2.75 for three years. Seems like a lot of term for a player that may be in decline. He has a lot of hard miles on his body.

  26. Maritime Ronn says:

    Looking at the Habs camp invite list, very happy to see now former Halifax Moosehead Stephan Fournier (RW/6’3″-220) getting a quick look see.

    This guy is all about character and team, as he was co-Captain of the MacKinnon/Fucale/Drouin lead Halifax Memorial Cup champs.
    If he develops right, there will be no surprise from here if he’s a Hab in 3 years.

    Looking at the goalies invited, it will be interesting to see how short or long Fucale will hang around. Mooseheads start their regular season on Thursday and play Friday also then are off until the 20th so it may not be long.
    Perhaps just an opportunity to introduce him to the overall Pro experience, and also introduce him to Carey…

    • Habfan17 says:

      It is great to see both Fournier and Crisp invited to the main camp.
      I don’t want to put the cart before the horse, they have only played a few scrimmages, but it does look good for the future. It would be nice to have them make the Habs in a couple of years, on any line.
      They remind me of when Tremblay and Risborough came up, although bigger. neither of them backed down and they did rise to the occassion in the playoffs! Corson and Lemieux too, Claude that is!


      • Maritime Ronn says:

        Hi 17

        Remember Yvon Lambert on that Tremblay/Risebrough line?
        If any of those 2 could come close to Lambert, that would be mission accomplished.

        Lambert was not a good skater, yet the big fella had no fear of setting up office in the blue paint.

        He was anything but pretty, yet somehow managed to score some huge goals for the Habs like that Game 7 OT goal against Boston in 1979…the same game when Don Cherry went brain dead and Guy Lafleur scored the tying goal.

        • Habfan17 says:

          Hey MR,

          I certainly do! I ran into Mr. Lambert at Ben’s Deli once after a Habs game. He was super nice and soft spoken. I agree, if any of these guys can play like him, it would be terrific! Maybe even like McPhee!
          Hardnosed with a few timely goals!


          • Maritime Ronn says:

            Lambert loves his brewskies

          • 123456 says:

            I got Lamberts autograph as a kid in the early 80s. At the time I just knew he was a former NHLer that was great in the AHL. I didn’t know he had almost 500 NHL points – great career!!

  27. SmartDog says:

    After the Zweep fight there’s one between Crisp and Stills where Crisp absolutely destroys the guy landing 20 punches in a row. But the homer announcer tries to make it sound like it was a close. Pretty funny.

    Zweep by the way (that fight was actually close) is 6’4″ and fights 10 times a year while scoring an average of about 3 goals a year. So we know what he’s on the ice for. (And thanks to the announcer and to HIO for telling us absolutely nothing about the guy. Good job.)

    Can you smell what the dog is sniffin?

  28. Un Canadien errant says:

    So my Chargers did it to me again. I insulated myself during training camp, saw the horror show that was the roster and predicted that they would go 4-12 or 6-10 at best, because we have a competent to good QB in Philip Rivers. So during dinner with friends I kept an eye on the score, and believed a little bit when I saw them score their third touchdown at the end of the first half, and then a quick touchdown to start the second, taking a 28-7 lead.

    But then they are the Chargers, even after having exorcised Norv Turner. Allowing the Texans to convert on 3rd and 13 and 3rd and 19, taking a penalty on a field goal attempt by the Texans that effectively transformed it into a touchdown, a dropped pass by a wide open Eddie Royal that would have been good for a first down, but instead meant a punt by Mike Scifres…

    So yeah, they played just well enough to get my hopes up, then when the hook was set, gullible fish that I am, they then proceeded to cough up the game.

    Let’s split the difference and call it a probably 3-13 season, unless we’re ravaged by injuries as usual, in which case it could get much, much worse.

    … you know, because there’s no way hundreds of overcompetitive stars with massive egos would ever cheat to gain an edge with hundreds of millions of dollars at stake..–Bill Simmons

  29. PaceCH says:

    I noticed the discussion of fantasy football in the comments — while we’re on fantasy leagues, anyone interested in joining a new hockey keeper league can check out our constitution I’ve posted on Rotoworld:

    Everyone is welcome, from keeper league newbies to veterans. Email me: if you want a Word file or PDF copy of our constitution, or if you have any questions.

    Go Habs Go! Oh and just so I stay on the topic of the article, I still wish we had picked Jordan Subban, but good to see Crisp can put the puck in the net. Just wanted to say thanks to everyone at HIO — been a reader here for many years, and this is the best site any fan could ask for!

    • The Jackal says:

      I too wish we had Jordan Subban, but…. since the Canucks are my #2 and adoptive hometown team, I can live with it.

      Keeper league? I don’t see why you would want the same players you drafted. IMO, the most exciting part of a fantasy league is the draft! Maybe I’m missing something about keeper leagues but why keep the same players?

      Hockey sine stercore tauri.

      • Habilis says:

        I can’t speak for this particular league, because I only skimmed through the link (no fantasy hockey for me, I waste enough time following the Habs), but I have participated in a few NFL keepers in the past.

        To answer your question, most keeper leagues don’t allow you to keep more than a few players from year to year. Basically it just eliminates the first few rounds of the draft every year because the top guys are the ones who are kept from season to season.

      • PaceCH says:

        I hear you, I’m in Port Moody and follow the Canucks too, so it won’t have to be like poor Malcolm, who is on that team that shall not be acknowledged as existing. 😉

        I’ve hosted and participated in yearly leagues since I was in highschool, and let me tell you, (to the chagrin of my wife) the 4 years since I adopted a keeper team, I’ve never enjoyed watching NHL and minor league games so much. Like an NHL club you have a farm system of prospects that you can draft in a prospect draft, and activate to your roster when (and if) they crack the NHL full time (over 75 games and they must be activated in our constitution). Our prospect draft will be 4 rounds. If you’re a playoff team, you can keep 9 guys out of a roster of 14 active players (9 F, 4D, 1G) and 6 reserve players of any position, so there is a decent amount of turnover on a yearly basis to encourage parity. Players hitting 32 years of age become unrestricted free agents as well, so we have two main events every September, a FA auction (real-time, live bidding) and an “NHL Draft” where owners complete the rest of their active roster in a similar turn based format to a yearly league.

        We plan to keep this league around a long time, and are going to put the work in to make it fun for GMs. Cheers.

  30. Storm Man says:

    I would pick up Rivers and drop Romo before you could spell Timo… Rivers is going to have a good year in that new offence.

  31. The Jackal says:

    How do the HIO resident fantasy football/football fans feel about adding Philip Rivers as a QB in exchange for dropping Romo?

    Hockey sine stercore tauri.

  32. JohnBellyful says:

    I’m getting tired reading about “Stunning photos of The 30 Hottest Female Canadian Celebs in rehab” so I’m going to bed.
    Give me a buzz when a new thread opens up.

  33. Sportfan says:

    Wow the eagles won my buddy is very happy now.

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  34. Lafleurguy says:

    Before being bounced from the league, Czech Tomas Kaberle played in 984 NHL regular season games. A shame he couldn’t reach 985.

    Speculation is that Erik Cole may be lined up with Shawn Horcoff, 34, and Ray Whitney, 41. Stars have missed the playoffs for 5 straight seasons; Niewendyk was canned, Nill was brought in, Gainey’s in there somewhere. Besides Seguin, Stars also got Rich Peverley from the Bruins. By the way, Cole finished last year with 47GP, 9G, 4A, 20PIM.

    “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

  35. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    I want Parros drilling people not drawing up drills. Parros drawing up drills? What’s next? Murray organizing the skating exercises?

    “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

    • ABHabsfan says:

      Never mind no-puck drills, Parros’ drills don’t require sticks or hell, even gloves! Throw all the helmets in the corner!

      “man, I love winnin’; you know, it’s like better than losin’?”-
      Ebby Calvin “Nuke” Laloosh

    • doc359 says:

      We are talking about the Ivy-league grad George Parros right?
      The one who has played hockey his entire life and is likely one of the oldest guys on the team?
      That George Parros?
      Seems like a pretty good person to run drills.

    • Habilis says:

      Parros is like, super smart. He wasn’t drawing up drills, he was demonstrating his own personal math equation to the team:

      Fists + Mustache + Ice = SmashMouth Hockey

  36. HardHabits says:

    I am all for small skilled players. Just not a team or a prospect pool full of them. I like that the Habs are going for size with players and skill with others and even trying for slam dunks by developing both qualities in the same player. Bergevin mentioned balance and I think the Habs are looking like they are intent on striking one.

  37. JohnBellyful says:

    I’m feeling blue. Here’s why:

    “Canada is home to some of the world’s happiest people, according to a United Nations’ report.
    The second annual World Happiness Report, published by the UN Sustainable Development Solutions Network, rated Canada as the sixth happiest nation — down a notch from last year.
    The report’s aim is to strengthen how well-being of residents plays into a country’s economic and social development, a press release stated.
    The five countries happier than Canada are Denmark, Norway, Switzerland, the Netherlands and Sweden. The US is 17th, and the U.K. 22nd, while the least happy country is Togo, at 156. Data was collected between 2010 and 2012.
    In general, happy people live longer, are more productive, earn more money and are better citizens, the report states. Also, the research recommend utilizing relatively low-cost medications to help treat depression and other mental health issues.”
    – QMI Agency

    Okay, which of you bozos are responsible for us slipping a notch in the happiness sweepstakes?
    Sure, 2012 wasn’t such a great year, what with the Canadiens crashing to the basement just two years after the underdogs upset the Penguins and Capitals to reach the Eastern Conference final. And then the lockout.
    But, geez, guys, you didn’t have to drag the whole nation into the dumps with you.
    Now we’re the sixth happiest — SIXTH happiest — population in the world, after Denmark, Norway, Switzerland, the Netherlands and Sweden. Who are these countries? Do they even have Tim Hortons?
    Okay, now I want all you Sammy Sourpusses to read the article one more time and focus on the part where it says “happy people live longer, are more productive, earn more money and are better citizens.”
    We need to get warm and fuzzy, people, before the next World Happiness Report. Here’s a suggestion, folks: The ones who are feeling good about the team, keep those happy thoughts, get excited about training camp – and as soon as the season starts, quit watching hockey. Just until Jan. 1, 2014. That way you won’t get depressed when the team doesn’t come close to expectations, and then screw up the results for this year.
    As for the eternally downbeat Donnie Demoralizers, well, you might want to try some “some low-cost medications” to treat your downiness.
    I’ll leave it to you to decide which ones will work best for you – I find ju jubes provide temporary relief – but I want to see some happy-face avatars the next few weeks.
    And lots and lots and lots of these, 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 :), even if it leaves one poster depressed.
    We’ve got to think of our image abroad.
    Do we want to end up like Togo? Or Timo?

  38. Say Ash says:

    Can’t watch the football game – how’s RG3 look? Can he still run or does he have Markov jelly knees out there?

  39. HabinBurlington says:

    Wow, Eagles laying the absolute boots to Skins tonight. When Vick is healthy he is scary good.

  40. Sportfan says:

    The press conference should be tomorrow and make the Jays Mets two game exhibition official. Once its official then i”ll get very excited, but for now I’ll have to wait.

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  41. Phil C says:

    No invite for Vail seems like a bit of a snub. He must have had a bad camp.

    Lashoff could be an interesting depth signing. A 2005 1st-rounder with top-four,two-way player potential, but coming off knee surgery a few years ago.

    They have White down as a winger, and Leblanc as a centre. Does this mean anything?

    Quailer is injured, I assume from the big hit by Pateryn. Tough break coming from a teammate, but I guess Pateryn really wants to make it. Being a RH shot, I think he has an edge with this group, but I expect him to start in Hamilton.

    I hope Tinordi gives them a really tough choice. Based on reports I’ve read about the two rookie camps, it would not surprise me if they are forced to find him a roster spot for him.

    I can’t see any surprises up front unless there are injuries. The only question mark would be fourth line centre.

  42. SmartDog says:

    Hey, ya know I heard that Galechenyuk is American and not Russian?

    I wonder if Crisp’s teammates call him Coffee….?

    I can’t think of a third stupid thing to say, but when I come up with it you’ll be the first to know!

    Can you smell what the dog is sniffin?

  43. SSFN says:

    I look at it this way. The Canadian teams and the American teams bring the foreign players over here if they jump to the KHL too bad. Hope the NHL learns from it. We have a lot of Canadian and American talent in the NHL. We don’t need those guy’s so quit whining …

  44. JohnBellyful says:

    Just a suggestion, but if we were to contemplate a more exotic setting for next year’s gathering, I found the perfect spot to hold the 2014 Summit.
    We could call it the Plummet
    (Maybe the Morlocks don’t have it so bad after all.)

    • ZepFan2 says:

      I was about to say I’m in when I thought I read, “more erotic setting”.

      Then my eyes cleared up.

      Ka is a wheel.

      “On we sweep, with threshing oar.
      Our only goal will be the Stanley Cup!” – Danno

      For Your Life

      • 100HABS says:

        There’s a place called the Amazon in Montreal that is both exotic and erotic.

        But the beer’s pretty expensive, don’t know if Ian will approve…

        • ZepFan2 says:

          I know. I live in Montreal. There’s also Wandas and Super Sexe. Amazon is too far.

          Ka is a wheel.

          “On we sweep, with threshing oar.
          Our only goal will be the Stanley Cup!” – Danno

          For Your Life

    • punkster says:

      Great idea JB…this place is full of spelunkers who plumb the depths of facts, stats and depravities with petzls firmly attached.

      Still SUBBANGIN’ BABY…

  45. piper says:

    Will Eberle get a chance at the Bulldogs camp?

  46. JohninTruro says:

    Timo I just got my RDS $5/month

  47. Sportfan says:

    Lol good thing they told us the preseason will be televised I wasn’t sure from the last thread 😛

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  48. HabFab says:

    Doesn’t $2.85 ml sound familiar?

    Bruce Arthur @bruce_arthur
    Per @TSNBobMcKenzie on @TSNDrive, Nazem Kadri is asking for 2 years, $7M, and the Leafs are offering 2 years, $5.7M. Not there yet.

    • 24 Cups says:

      If given the ice time, Galchenyuk could go nuclear in his 3rd year. If so, I wonder if he’ll accept a bridge contract?

      • Habfan10912 says:

        Hmmmm. He might use the KHL as leverage. That would change everything.

        • 24 Cups says:

          There is no leverage to the KHL. It’s strictly for Russians who don’t want to leave the homeland and castoffs you can’t cut it in the NHL.

          Not to mention that Galchenyuk is American, not Russian. Why go live in a hell hole of a country when you can live the good life in the West:)

          • Chris says:

            Galchenyuk has spent something like 5 years of his 19 years in the U.S. He has spent significantly more time in Russia, where his father finished his career and chose to live after retirement, and Belarus, where his extended family still lives.

          • 24 Cups says:

            Chris – I stand by my statement. The KHL is an inferior league and Russia is an inferior country compared to Canada. There is little chance that Galchenyuk will go there. He’s too driven to excel and no one excels in an inferior league. Not even Kovalchuk.

            As for Subban comparisons (see below), Subban’s first year was in Hamilton. He then had his 2nd and 3rd years as a Hab. He then went nuclear to the point of winning the Norris against all odds in just his third year of NHL play.

          • Chris says:

            I’m very wary of comments about “inferior countries”. Russia has problems, no question. I work with a lot of Russian, Ukrainians and Belarusians who were left without career opportunities when the academic system in the former Soviet Union collapsed.

            But as a people, I would say that Russians have an attachment to their country that dwarfs that of most other peoples. They don’t need beer ads to rile up their patriotism.

            I agree that Galchenyuk will not go to the KHL. I just think the reasoning that he is American is simply wrong: Galchenyuk is as American as Rod Langway was Taiwanese.

            English was Galchenyuk’s third langugage. When he came to the OHL, his English was very fractured, but he was thoroughly fluent in Russian and Italian.

      • John Q Public says:

        Exception to the rule. Mark my words.

      • Sean Bonjovi says:

        Galchenyuk’s entry level contract will expire in 2015. If he stays in the league he’ll have the 7 seven years of service required for UFA status by 2019. IMO the likelihood that Galchenyuk’s next contract will be longer than 3 years is exactly 0%.

        • JUST ME says:

          Galchenyuk is American, not Russian.Galchenyuk is American, not Russian.Galchenyuk is American, not Russian.Galchenyuk is American, not Russian.Galchenyuk is American, not Russian.Galchenyuk is American, not Russian.Galchenyuk is American, not Russian.

          I figure that should do it. But then again …

        • John Q Public says:

          If he lives up to expectations it will be the 8 year variety.

        • Carta-Hab says:

          I have to agree. I know people will say that if there is a chance at a big pay day type contract the player will grab it, but I think Galchenyuk is the type of player who tends to lean to the “team first” philosophy. In order to allow to keep the team competitive, I think he will take a bridge contract.

          That said, even if does go “nuclear” in his 3rd year as 24 Cups puts it, an argument can be made to hold off on a long term big pay day contract until his production is proven over an extended period of time ala PK Subban.

          Mike Milbury, Don Cherry, and PJ Stock….The three stooges of HNIC.

      • HardHabits says:

        I like this #3 too

        27 GALCHENYUK, Alex C G/L 6’01’’ 196 12/02/94 – Milwaukee, WI Rep. 2012 Draft (3)

  49. shiram says:

    J-F Chaumont ‏@JFChaumont 58 min

    #Habs: Pour ceux qui se poseraient la question. Sebastian Collberg a reçu l’autorisation de son équipe en Suède pour venir au camp. (1 de 2

    Collberg got permission from his team to attend the Habs camp.

  50. Habfan17 says:

    The Habs have released the invitees to the main camp and it does not look like they have updated the height/weight. list. They have Murray at 209 lbs. I thought he was around 230. THey also have Eller and PK listed lower than reported this summer.


  51. HabFab says:

    Vail was not invited to the Main Camp? Strange..

    Alex Belzile who finished off last season in Hamilton but is not signed for this season told one reporter he had an invite to the Bulldogs Camp.

  52. zephyr says:

    looks like McCarron & crisp are showing why the habs drafted them. still raw but with their size they can open up space for highly skilled players like bickel did for Chicago. if they have good hands, then it’s a jackpot.
    timmins said wait til we see de la rose. sounds like he’s got a nice size/skill/speed package.
    I haven’t seen the habs possess a group of great prospects like they have now since the corson, richer, roy, Lemieux, chelios days. this team has the potential to be dominant in a few years. maybe less.

  53. krob1000 says:

    Does Crisp have 3 preseason hat tricks with 3 different clubs in preseason camps? Or were two of them before his trade?
    Would be sweet if he had the hat trick hat trick…

  54. Luke says:

    Am I the only one who looked at the invite list and saw:

    89 – REMY Martin
    instead of
    89 – REWAY, Martin

    Obviously, it’s time for me to go.

    Have fun folks!

  55. Lafleurguy says:

    Ellis Valentine, Tim Wallach, Larry Parrish were my all-time favorite Expos. Oh, I liked the Hall of Famers, and the Martinez boys, Dennis and Pedro, Le Grand Orange, and pretty well all of the stars, but there’s no explaining hero-worship in a kid.

    “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

  56. PeterD says:

    I see S. Collberg is on the camp list….
    I thought he was in Sweden playing another year there???

    Can anyone shed some light on this?
    If he is here only for camp and will then go back…why isn’t De La Rose also in camp?

    Comments please?

    • doc359 says:

      Colberg might have an out clause if he makes the Canadiens? Not sure though.

      The other option is that they want to see him over in NA rinks to decide on a PTO contract later in the year with the Dogs once the Swedish season is over

    • HabFab says:

      J-F Chaumont – Pour ceux qui se poseraient la question. Sebastian Collberg a reçu l’autorisation de son équipe en Suède pour venir au camp. Collberg a signé son contrat avec le CH, mais il lui reste encore une saison à Frolunda, en Suède.

      “For those wondering Collberg has permission from his Swedish team to attend the Camp but must return to finish his season in Frolunda” …short version

  57. SSFN says:

    If I was MB in training camp the best player wins out young or veteran. It’s about winning not being a buddy, buddy.

    There’s 29 other teams out there and they’re not going to come to your arena to show how nice they are. They’re coming to win.

    on most nights. Best team wins that’s what it’s all about. win or lose teams like Boston, Philly, Toronto, show no mercy. They don’t come to show how nice they are.

  58. Lafleurguy says:

    These Bulldogs have some size (Drew Schiestel 6’1″, Matt Grassi 6’3″, Justin Courtnall 6’3″).
    “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

  59. SSFN says:

    If Connor Crisp junior career means anything. He’s gonna be a good NHL-er. Averaging almost 3-goals per game in the OHL with the Erie Otters …
    Being a new-few of Terry Crisp doesn’t hurt any. He was a worker.

  60. HabFab says:

    Main camp roster;

    5G + 16D + 34F

    Matt Lashoff is the only try-out invited.
    MacAulay is the only one of the 7 Hamilton AHL contract guys to get invited.
    Eight including Thrower and Nystrom can still play Junior.

  61. Lafleurguy says:

    Drew Shiestel and Matt Grassi, both 24, are pencilled in to be veteran defensemen for the Bulldogs. Shiestel was also chosen in the second round of the 2007 draft like P.K. Subban was.

    “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

  62. HabFab says:

    So the kids at the Rookie Camp are now being informed who stays and who goes? We will find out later.

  63. Hobie Hansen says:

    Great videos on Crisp above. keep them coming!

    @ Tinordi Vs Beaulieu – two totally different players.

    And I’d think again before saying you think Beaulieu will turn out to be more of an asset. I love Beaulieu but I think Tinordi is going to be paired with Subban on the top line for a good decade.

    Tinordi is going to be the top penalty killing, shot blocking, guy you want on the ice protecting a lead, guy who stands up for his teammates, hits like a freight train…possible future captain. When you look up defenceman in the dictionary…you’ll see Tinordi’s picture.

    Again, I love Beaulieu as well! I just think Tinordi is going to be a slightly bigger piece of the puzzle, no pun intended.

    • Luke says:

      Their different. Not a fan of the “either / or” polls.

      “Gummi worms; do you absolutely love them beyond all other food or worms?

      1) Yes. OMG… They are the best thing I have ever seen on Earth and I’ve been to LegoLand.
      2) No. They suck. The DD of the Candy world. They are soft. They lack the size and ability to to end one’s hunger.

  64. HabFab says:

    Has anyone seen the “public health message” just tweeted by Bob McKenzie?

  65. krob1000 says:

    What is “successful”? more games played? more points? respect?
    I think both Tinordi and Beaulieu will have long careers…very, very different players though….not really comparable in anyway.

  66. shiram says:

    Dan Cleary with the Flyers, Colin Greening 3 years with the sens AAV 2.65 millions.

  67. somtawyer says:

    I believe that Beaulieu’s run in with the law this Summer has people doubting his professionalism. That’s certainly why I voted for Tinordi

    • JUST ME says:

      Tinordi is the kind of d-man every team wants. Can do lots of things but mostly clear the crease.
      I do not care about Beaulieu`s trouble off ice cause it seems to run in the familly. If the coaches do their job right and show him how to become a pro , that should not be a problem. Some go through worse things in life than others. Growing pains i guess.
      Hockey wise he is surprisingly fast and has speed surges that are really amazing. Needs to work on his defensive work but i would not count im out in the habs`s future. Just not ready yet that`s all…

  68. commandant says:

    A look at the Ducks prospect tourney, vs the Kings

    Go Habs Go!
    Your 2013 NHL Draft Headquarters, Now Open.

  69. Bill says:

    Regarding the poll question … 2/3 of HIO readers really think Tinordi will be better than Beaulieu? Because I sure don’t. Tinordi looks to be a really good defensive D with obvious size. Beaulieu is the total package. He’ll be the Habs second-best D-man by his sophomore year.

    Full Breezer 4 Life

  70. shiram says:

    Guess it’s good news Parros is practicing, his rehab must be complete, or close to it.

  71. Mattyleg says:

    Does anyone know where I can get video of Crisp’s hat-trick at Niagara?

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  72. HabFab says:

    Dave Stubbs – Bittersweet… “@ShiDavidi: #BlueJays expected to announce tomorrow plans for 2 spring games vs #Mets at Montreal’s Big O next year”

    I don’t give TWO FLYING FRIGS!, I ain’t going!

    • aroma says:

      An interleague game between the Jays and the Nats would make a lot more sense. I don’t know how many ex-Expo fans follow the Nats, but I sure do…

      • Lafleurguy says:

        Given the opening day for major league rounders is around April 7th, those two exhibition games will take place around the last two weeks of regular season NHL hockey.

        “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

    • krob1000 says:

      What will break down first ?
      a) 4 jays rotator cuffs
      b) Reyes’ legs
      c) Part of the Big O
      d) The jays defense
      e) Jp Arencibia when asked about Greg Zaun

      • Alvin says:

        Looks like you’ve missed a few series of Jays games.

        • krob1000 says:

          Nope….this is what they do every year….they start out ok, they fade and then when it means nothing they give you hope of rnext year. I love the jays but it is beyond frustrating watching them coninue to hand Darren Oliver the ball when it matters, they insisted on gettting bonafacio his games and scrambling the infield, they moved guys all over, Rajai davis does everything in his power to be an everyday player but for some weird reason can’t?
          I had so much hope for this years club. Kawasaki never shouold have been sent down….althoug it was short lived…there was so much chemistry…he was the most popular guy in the dome at the 2 games I went to during their hot streak. The jays were getting along, he kept the mood light and his energy and work ethic were contagious.
          Insiisting on having Rasmus, JP and Bonaifacio in an order consistently is just askig to kill your own rallies. At east Kawasaki advanced runners and put balls in play, had long at bats allwoing guys to run, plays to happen, etc.
          I thin Boanafacio leaving is the best thing that could have happened. Lawrie starting to take some pitches helps too as does lettin some kids who play fundamental ball. Too much emphasis on “production”… hell with individual product6ion…..the only production that matters is the wins and losses and guys swinging out of their shoes when they need a fly ball to score or a ball in play is ridiculous from the bottom of a lineup.
          I have not tever been so frustrated by a Jays team….reminds me of the Raptors when they had a couple goo dseasons…I bought in and watched them repeatedly pass up looks with guys ready to rebound and instead would clear the lane and have one guy drive….or worse they would swing the ball around the perimeter twice and then jack up a contested three with every other player on the perimeter….just painful.
          Many athletes are talented but successful teams are led on and off the field by selfless and intelligent players who do the litle things right……talent is not everything ecause at the highest levels….everyone is talented.

          • Alvin says:

            Only meant to say that Reyes legs are doing fine according to the way he’s getting down the first base line these days and Jays D has been outstanding. Your points b & d.

  73. krob1000 says:

    luke…you mentioned that Mccarty was a 55 goal scorer in junior. I personally think that if Crisp became Darren Mccarty I would be doing backflips. Mccarty was a steady 15 goal guy while also being an enforcer. He topped out at 49 points and fought injury his whole career but I would by no means consider him a bust.
    Kypreos was a very proficient goalscorer…..depsite 3 seasons of between 45 and 62 goals and having decent size he went undrafted…to me that says there were concerns other than size (speed?, skating?,etc)

    Much like Kyle Chicphura…he carved out a niche for himself and basically fought his way to the NHL.

    Crisp if he could somehow becaome a Chris Neil, Darren Mccarty, Brandon Prust type of guy then great. If he doesn’t? it was worth a try as many 3rd rounders do not succeed. This was the first draft the Canadiens did not necessarily draft by talent alone, they chose by organizational need which was needed at this time given the wealth of scoring talent in the orgaiziation already.

    I like the Crisp pick and believe the Habs know what they are doing….the fact he has put up 3 hat tricks in a couple of weeks is also a sign he may now be taking his career (he may not have previously thought he had one) more seriously and there is obviously some raw talent there to go along with his size.
    I know it is really early but to me the instant results are a very good indicator that there may be something there….pretty impressive really.

    • habs44 says:

      Excellent post krob1000…..very well stated.

      It’s nice to see such great depth in our prospect pool. Mccaron and Crisp are exactly the style of player we needed to balance things out.

      My opinion is that way too many fans are wanting a Lucic clone from these guys. It’s not gonna happen. Both are able to scrap and will stand up for a teammate but neither will be considered feared fighters. Lucic was always a feared fighter and the goal scoring progressed as he matured. If you watch their fights on hockey you’ll see that their average at best brawlers.

      We need to channel our hopes and aim for more of a Bickel style of power forward. Fighting is…..and should be second. I’m a fan of it and it will forever have its place in hockey but I’d rather win a game then a fight.

    • Bill says:

      Crisp is a big boy who loves to punish and has always had raw skill. Impossible to say for sure, but I too would be over the moon if he could become a Neil/Prust type player … tough and mean and capable of chipping in goals. It’s entirely possible he can, at least if he can bring his skating along a bit.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

    • Luke says:

      Yah, I was more just commenting on prolific junior scorers not necessarily being even decent NHL scorers. Or that being a top offensive player in Junior doesn’t mean that’s your pro game.

      I too hope Crisp can develop into a Prust-type role… and I’d be very pleased with that. (I will also accept a Shanahan-type role too).

      (Sorry – I’m having trouble stringing my thoughts together well. But basically I agree with you. I had no issue with the Habs drafting him at all).

    • Alvin says:

      Ill take Crisp for the hat tricks but from what I saw in that video he should quit while he’s ahead of the fighting game.

  74. Strabo says:

    Where is everyone? Bunch of slackers.

    “Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I’m not sure about the former.” Albert Einstein

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