Comment: Martin fans on chance with Price

Canadiens head coach Jacques Martin could have publicly stood up for goalie Carey Price in face of booing fans.
Pierre Obendrauf, Gazette

Full Stubbs column is here

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Flyers face ‘must-win’ vs. Canadiens tonight: Hickey

Goaltender Carey Price has endured a season from hell – some of it has been his doing, some of it through fluke goals and/or his team’s untimely collapsing in front of him.

His last two starts might have been his year in a nutshell: in Buffalo on March 24, he was 1:59 from his first shutout in 81 games when the Canadiens imploded in front of him, the Sabres scoring twice in 71 seconds before going on to win 3-2 in a shootout despite his 40 saves. And two nights ago at home, Price was beaten twice – once by his own defenceman, Roman Hamrlik, and for the winner by Carolina’s Eric Staal, who swatted home a short rebound after slipping behind rearguard Ryan O’Byrne.

Price earned third star vs. Carolina but was booed by some in the Bell Centre crowd for it. Yesterday, I asked Canadiens head coach Jacques Martin if he’d been angered or if he otherwise felt strongly about his goalie being heckled. Martin replied: “I respect the fans. They pay good dollars to be entertained and they have a right to an opinion. As a professional athlete, or a coach, you have to work within the framework. Sure I’d like to see better results (for Price), as he would. At the same time, I can’t say we lost the game because of him.”

With this answer, Martin blew a golden opportunity to publicly support his goalie who’s been working hard in practice, trying to get better results, keeping his team in games and yet been victimized by bad luck. Martin taking the fans’ side in this case was disappointing, to say the least. With five games to go in a heated playoff race, he could have shown he had his goalie’s back, and by extension that of his team, but he didn’t.


  1. K-hab25 says:

    Ward didn’t start genius!!!

  2. topher5468 says:

    What you say is a good point but its moot because that didin’t happen. All we as fans can do now is hope Price can become what his potential is. I for one hope is with us

    “It’s not an obsession, It’s a way of life..”

  3. topher5468 says:

    Ouch, great point Shake, A guy I work with who is a Sabres fan will lose sleep over that till the day he dies, is still writing  letters to Bettman. 

    “It’s not an obsession, It’s a way of life..”

  4. Habsrule1 says:

    If the Habs had lost 1-0 in a shootout, it would have been “something” then too?

    You’re seriously pathetic…..imho

    Go Habs Go!! “I don’t have a copy of Georges’ code, I don’t know what it is,”. “I think the code is that you’re here for your teammates. It’s not your code, it’s our code.” – Bob Gainey

  5. G-Man says:

    Price should have spent 2 or 3 seasons learning how to be a pro in Hamilton. He didn’t and the NHL club is paying for that grievous error.

  6. G-Man says:

    Price was so fantastic he lost…again. Ward stole the game.

  7. G-Man says:

    Too bad Ward was the best Cane, right Habfan?

  8. G-Man says:

    Ward did everything in his power to win, too. He didn’t fail. With Price this season, it’s always something.

  9. slapshot777 says:

    Also helps when your own players don’t score on you either.


    To you from failing hands we throw the torch, be yours to hold it high.

  10. jimmy shaker says:

    Should’ve, should’ve, should’ve…..what about Dallas and Brett Hull vs Buffalo and Hasek……should’ve, should’ve, should’ve………anyhow!


  11. Trots says:

    The only reason Torts won a cup, was because they never reviewed the play where Martin Gelinas scored the winning goal in Game 6…the cup should have been Calgary’s.

  12. jimmy shaker says:

    And he won a cup a couple of years ago didn’t he?  What has JM ever done? 

    Thanks for coming out though!  I’d take Torts over JM anyday my friend.


  13. MontrealAtheist says:

    The Canes scored one goal yesterday vs. the B’s and guess what, it was enough to win thanks to an outstanding performance of Cam Ward.

  14. HabFanSince72 says:

    John Tortorella is doing a bang up job in NY isn’t he?

  15. twilighthours says:

    Why be upset with the fans who booed Price?  Timo and countless others are on this site doing much worse than booing, and they aren’t paying $50-$500 a ticket.

    The fans have the right to boo.  I wouldn’t do it and it does no good for the team or Price, but they have the right.

  16. jimmy shaker says:

    Yep, there is our faithful leader, the guy that everyone is supposed to rally around.  JM is most likely our worst bench boss since Mario Tremblay……..Can you imagine John Tortorella saying “That’s the fans opinion, and they are entitled to it.”  NO! He would have been all over that with a profanity laced tirade that would include the word “Gutless”.  That’s what Carey needed, and the only guy he got that from was Gill…..Another reason why JM sucks, and Larry Robinson should’ve been the coach brought in during the summer.  I hope he goes with 7D tonight with MAB back there and 11 Forwards, but he won’t because he doesn’t see that winning formula there…….But Jaro will start and hopefully get the W.


  17. Jbird says:

    On the topic of goaltending you have to like the matchup tonight vs the Flyers.  Got to think Boucher will be in nets over the career ECHLer Duchesne who has only played in 2 AHL games plus last night in his NHL debut where in came in for Boucher and let in one goal on 4 shots.  

    Boucher stats vs the Habs are bad.  In 9 games vs the Habs he has 5 loses, 1 win, and 3 no desicions.   His only win vs. the Habs was in Montreal in October 2001.  He has a career .866 GAA Vs. the Habs – which is crappier than his career total of .899.

    Big bounce back in Montreal for Boucher?  The Habs up against a mediocre ECHL goalie (Duchesne has a GAA below .900 in 45 or so career ECHL starts)?  I like the Habs chances . . . . . 

    Halak needs the start tonight cause if CP is in and he, or more likely the team, finds a way to lose to these bums Price may need electroshock therapy to deal with the wrath of the dumb Price haters.

  18. coachdoug says:

    While I agree with many of the things written in this article the team focus is really becoming about individuals, coaches, GMs and not about a team…

    I feel like my favorite hockey team is miles away from getting it together and icing a competetitive Cup contender…The management of this team is mostly to blame for all this circus sideshow foolishness…Coach hirings and firings, goaltender contraversies, summer team blow-ups.  

    A team win’s Cups, not individuals, especially in the salary cap era.  When will the Habs be a team again????

    The only bright spot right now is the farm team…lets hope the management doesn’t f#ck that up also!

    “Vive le col roulé! Le système, C’est le col roulé!”

  19. ed lopaz says:

    from stubbs twitter:

    #Habs fans booed Plante, Durnan, Dryden, Roy; Rocket, Béliveau, Lafleur.

    Idiocy doesn’t recognize the decade

  20. madmat411 says:

    I find that, reading it closely, he DID praise Price, But what I think he is trying to do, is make sure Price doesn’t get a big head about it. This way, Price will keep working hard to improve and win everyone over. If he does what’s right, Price will use this as motivation to push himself harder and, as i said before, win everyone over.

  21. Danno says:

    What goes around comes around. Martin may live to regret his poor choice of words.


    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  22. RJ says:

    The media creates conflict and controversy to sell papers and increase web/blog traffic.

    “My face is my mask,” Gump Worsley

  23. MikeMcLaren says:

    If you’re the coach in Montreal you know that any little thing you say is going to be magnified at the least and perhaps blown out of proportion… and so one would imagine that you measure your words very carefully.

    Is there any chance that this statement by Jacques Martin was something he tore out of Ken Hitchcock’s playbook in an effort to have the TEAM rally around Price?

    As many are wont to point out, Price seems to be more technically solid as of late, displaying far more confidence, not sulking, not letting in weak goals, making great glove saves, and yet still the team doesn’t seem to be able to pull off a win for him.

    Are there some in the locker room that think, like a number of fans, that Price has been overly coddled by management?  Is this Martin’s way of trying to tell the team that Carey is no longer the boss’ son?

    I hope there’s some method to the madness here.  It may just be that this was Martin’s effort to minimize the situation, or perhaps it’s motivational genius! 😉 


  24. Mats Naslund says:

    Whether Martin whiffed on a chance to support Price or not, I don’t really know. What I do know is that this was a great article to do the exact same in the Media by Mr Stubbs. I don’t know about throwing the coach under the bus, but for as much grief as people have given Carey during his time here, it will help to know there are people out there who support him, JARO, and the team. That is what the sometimes silent majority of us feel. So to the rest, please feel free to take your Maple Leafs-esque sideshow elswhere. It is disgusting how so-called fans of this team have turned because they are sore losers. 

  25. Habsrule1 says:

    Price can only do so much. He did everything in his power to win lately and the team let him down. That’s not “rationalization”, it’s fact.

    Go Habs Go!! “I don’t have a copy of Georges’ code, I don’t know what it is,”. “I think the code is that you’re here for your teammates. It’s not your code, it’s our code.” – Bob Gainey

  26. ddupuis says:


    Jaroslav has had a terrific season, and the team has averaged approximately 3 goals per game for him.

    Carey hasn’t been quite as lucky as his team-mates have consistently failed to deliver any offensive output for him this season, averaging a meagre 2.3 goals per game.

    So to win games, Carey needs a 2.20 GAA…the leauge leader is now is Tuuka Rask at 1.99, followed by Ryan Miller at 2.22…come on Price, pick up your socks – we need you to be second in the leauge with no defence and 40 shots a game – what is your problem?

    I love both these young talents and I hope we keep both!  The question is will either want to stay!


  27. Habsrule1 says:

    I don’t completely agree with this article. Booing is something fans are entitled to do, and I believe any Hab would have been booed, but Price was the one who came out onto the ice. Further to that, there were definitely more cheers than boos, and add to that the fact that 50 boos sound really loud given the tone of a boo. I really and truly think this whole thing has been blown way out of proportion. I also think half the people on this site would have crapped all over JM if he had said anything against the fans after having led this team to a very mediocre season. He’s already been the target of hate all year on this ite and I’m sure calling out the fans would only have made things worse.

    He said Price was not the reason for the recent losses. I think that was the right thing to say. Honestly, if Price wants to leave because of 50 or 100 stupid fans, he probably does not have wat it takes to play here anyway.

    Go Habs Go!! “I don’t have a copy of Georges’ code, I don’t know what it is,”. “I think the code is that you’re here for your teammates. It’s not your code, it’s our code.” – Bob Gainey

  28. karpen33 says:

    Price’s early success in his career has given the fans hopes of a Dryden or Roy. And when your GM pegs you as number one at such a young age I believe has just been too much pressure. As I’ve heard many say that Price is ruined in Montreal and that he will never overcomes this. For him it probably would be best to just move on. As for the “fans” that booed him the other night – who are they fans of. I believe it embarrassed the true Canadien fans. 

  29. HabFanSince72 says:

    Team game G-man.

    Price was the best Hab on the ice that night.


  30. Mats Naslund says:

    Remind me again who ‘almost won’ the prior game? You said it yourself. Jaro lost the game before. Carey was fantastic the last game he played. Anyone with ANY understanding of the game wouldn’t be amazed that Price started whatsoever.

  31. HabFanSince72 says:

    In JM’s favor I think he was probably trying to minimize the whole thing.

  32. says:

    At least Carey sucks it up and doesn’t go running to his agent.

    Well done I say and as for Martin, his focus was on the loss, and now newspapers are selling triple copies today over something that will be history after tonight’s win or lose game.

    I hope to see Price in nets and a big win or I hope see Halak in nets and a big win.  Either way if the Canadiens don’t go back to that 6 game winning streak mode and fire wagon hockey then they aren’t going anywhere.

    They call me Shane

  33. Jbird says:

    I’m really liking everyone agreeing that it is nuts that CP was Booed, and that JM should have had a better answer to Stubbs well placed question.  But really CP does not need verbal support from his coach, the guy needs goal support from his team FFS!!!!

  34. topher5468 says:

    Im constantly amazed how fans can throw a 22 YO under the bus because of the team he plays for has this winning tradition and of late its been 17 years since they won. Its not all Price’s fault and all of whats happening to him will benefit him in the end, hopefully its with this organization and not for another one. I.E (Quebec/Colorado)

    “It’s not an obsession, It’s a way of life..”

  35. adrian says:

    JM was probably trying not to throw this whole thing out of proportion.  Now that he has tried to keep a low profile and have everyone concentrate on Hockey the idiot circus has come to town.

  36. habs11s says:

    What an embarassment for a coach….. as much as i hate Ron Wilson and Brian Burke, atleast they would stick u for one of their players


    FIRE JM!


    “How would you like a job where when you made a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?” -Jacques Plante

  37. adrian says:

    Give Price a couple of support goals and watch the win column.

  38. bigjames says:

    how about booing the fact that we only scored one goal!

  39. adrian says:

    Who cares what JM said or didn’t say.  The idiots here are the booing fans.  Here are a bunch of guys trying to make the playoffs and the so called “fans” are booing them after what I saw was a good effort and dissapointing loss.  There is no need to be booing Price!  In my opinion he  and Halak are excellent goalies.  The fans booing need to shut the F up.

  40. Fansincebirth says:

    JM should have manned up and publicly supported Price.

    There are a lot of folks on this site who would have booed Price as well, so don’t go pointing fingers. People who said the Price should “redeem himself”, for instance or “Price doesn’t know how to win” etc.

    This love/hate relationship with Price is just getting old, tired and pathetic. He’s a friggin kid playing in the toughest city in the world. Just because he was annointed by BG to be the next ‘one’ and he hasn’t matured or grown into the ‘one’ he’s supposed to be yet, is this his fault?

    Price has his moments of what-the-hell-was-that but then again, so does Halak and every other goalie in the league. This is a team thing and they live and die as a team. We owned Buffalo for 57 minutes and someone suggested it was Price’s fault that we lost. We outplay the ‘Canes for two periods and people suggest that Price should have stopped the second goal.

    Anyways, enjoy the rest of the season because it’s going to be a rough one. Personally, I think we’re going to make it and sit in sixth spot when the playoffs start.

    “Without the strength of the past, the team may face a choice – to win, or to be French-Canadian?” — Ken Dryden

  41. mrgordon says:

    And hey, listen, I’m not a big fan of Martin’s style of hockey, but can’t someone dish out a little credit for Martin and his staff for taking this team which has been riddled with long term injuries to key players? I think the coaching staff has done a good job of keeping the team alive in a heated race when a lot of teams might’ve curled up and said “maybe next year.” I’m not calling for the jack Adams here, just for some admittance of a job well done up to this point.


    If they blow the last 6 games, rip away…but to be in this position I think is a small accomplishment at least.

  42. G-Man says:

    I’m constantly amazed by the rationalization of Price’s failure to win on this site. Like Yoda said,”Do, or do not. There is no try.”

    I’m still struck by how stupid it was to start Price when the team needed a win.

    The only thing that counts in the NHL is wins, not almost wins.

  43. mrgordon says:

    I really don’t think Martin is showing Price a lack of support here at all. Honestly, I believe he’s just calling it as it is in that yes, paying big money allows you to be an ignoramus. Do I agree with ignorant behaviour? No, and I don’t think Martin is saying he does either. But lets face it, when you’ve got a packed rink there’s bound to be many who just don’t get it.


    As bluntly as I can put it, Price ought to man up and take it and take comfort in knowing that he indeed played great games and simply had bad luck; he’s a professional and so are his teammates…I highly doubt his players “don’t play for him” or blame him for either of those last two losses. 

    I mean geez, the Martin quote itself even says they didn’t lose because of Price. Does he want better results (wins) when Price plays? Of course! But nowhere did he tag the losses on Carey himself. I think Stubbs is reading way too far into this at a critical juncture in the season. Nowhere really do I see a lack of support… there’s just not a war-cry. He didn’t take “their side”, he just gave a logical and honest answer!


  44. CHCanadien says:

    Booing someone for a lack of effort is one thing, but booing Cary Price after the Carolina game is another.  He played solid and gave Habs a chance to win.  Too bad his teammates didn’t give him the offensive support.

  45. bsl says:


    Martin f’d up, big time. Defend your players. Simple as.

    You think Stubbs wrote that article lightly? He never writes without thinking. And he is always fair.

    was the first long knife for Martin, and deserved. I  imagine that
    Stubbs thought long and hard before posting this one, and the fact that
    he did says that Martin will be in serious trouble next year.

    And he should be.

  46. The Cat says:

    I agree 100%. It almost makes me wonder if JM is more concerned about his own popularity. Im not a fan of Price but he has been much better this year. I can see some booing when someone plays bad but booing when someone had a good game is way over the top. It seems like its a game with the fans and some media to see who they can make publically lose-face, chase out of town etc. It makes me wish the Nordiques would come back so I could concentrate my fan efforts with them.

  47. haber11k says:

    Bad move JM, Price didn’t deserve that bull^$#@ and you should have let those idiots that were booing know it . Real chance to give the kid a shot of (me and the boys are behind you Carey) and he choose to suck is way out of it. Can someone tell me if I can change my user name. Time for 11K to go, sad though, still miss him.

  48. nightmare_49 says:

    …  The “Bear Hug” Proposal ….. (i’m sure Ryan O’Byrne would like this) …..

  49. slapshot777 says:

    Martin should start Price again tonight and show him that he do have confidence in him. If this team wants to make the playoffs then I’d make them play for Carey or else if they don’t play for him then they shouldn’t make the playoffs anyway. What happens if something were to happen to Halak, the team would just fold and season over. That would be so unprofessional.

    I hope this summer that we trade one goalie so that this crap can be over. Not that I hate any goalie or dislike, but the rational side of me says that we should unload Halak this summer and keep Price. We went through 12 years of having to watch Patrick Roy beat us 95% of the time they played us, and the fans who think booing him helped, it helped alright it just gave Roy extra determination to bury the Habs.

    I think that if we trade Price who is so young that we may be looking at the same sceneairo all over again and for a longer time. If it happens to be a team in the eastern conference God help the organization and the idiot fans who booed him, because, not only will he (Price) get the last laugh, but every game and playoff he will be determined that much more to drive that stake in all of our hearts and we will be cursing the day we traded him. his seems to be a popular trend amongst Habs teams lately. The organization in this case must do what’s right for the team and disregard the fans, because they do not have the whole story on Price only what they see and hear in the papers.

    Keep Price and we will see the Cup again, keep Halak and I’m afraid we never see a Cup, sorry but I think Halak can be a good goalie but not one to last a full season and he will wear down because of his SIZE which is the same reason fans in here use to describe the losing ways of the rest of the players on this team. 



    To you from failing hands we throw the torch, be yours to hold it high.

  50. jimmy shaker says:

    Sorry to say, but we cannot afford to start Price tonight….I think Jaro runs the rest of the season, starting tonight.  Somehow this just isn’t Price’s year!  No jabbing or slagging of Price from me here, it’s just Jaro’s ball and he has to carry it these last 5 games if we want any shot at the playoffs.  We can’t go to Carey based on merit and performance, there just isn’t enough games left to do that.  Does he deserve to be in there?  YEs.  But like I said, for some reason unkown, the team doesn’t get the job done when he’s in the crease!  Again, not slagging on Price, just being honest and stating that Jaro get’s the W’s bottom line!


  51. MLAW says:

    Whatever his problem is, Price doesnt WIN games… thats the bottom line! Maybe his team blows it in front of him because they have NO CONFIDENCE in him. Halak has proven he is the man, no more starts for Price, or no more playoff hopes for us.

    As for people booing, lets try to remember, these people paid hundreds of dollars in tickets to pay the salaries of these guys, so yes I believe they have a right to boo Price if they wanted. I’m sorry but I have no sympathy for a multi-millionaire who gets booed when he loses. 

    Atleast everybody important lost last night!

    ======================== Ole Oleeeee Ole Ole Ole!

  52. Bob_Sacamano says:

    Having spent money gives you the right to behave like an ignorant asshole?

  53. topher5468 says:

    Unfortunately your right, but that doesn’t make price a bad Goalie, he can’t play much better than he has. Yes there were some games earlier this season when i felt he let in some goals that he needed to stop and the team lost because of it but, not of late. I don’t think Price is a Millionaire just yet and not his fault that he is a pro athlete and your not. Booing is  right of fans but,   its still was undeserved.  

    “It’s not an obsession, It’s a way of life..”

  54. badbalance says:

    I hope Price joins another team and rips us in the playoffs and wins the cup in te future. I really hope he does, screw the fans and screw JM… When the hell does the rest of this team get blamed for their half-assed play all season.

  55. JF says:

    Price’s treatment by the fans could make him determined to leave Montreal as soon as possible or, equally, it could make him determined to stay.  At the end of last season, I thought he’d probably want to leave.  Now I’m not so sure.  He’s matured a lot this year and grown a much thicker skin with all the tough breaks and bad luck he’s had.  He’s quoted as saying that if he played in a less pressure-packed environment, he mightn’t have learned the difficult lessons he has.  He might feel that he wants to show those booing fans that he is good enough to succeed here, in the city where hockey is a religion and he can’t walk down the street without being recognized, rather than in some western or sun-belt city where he’d be anonymous and only a handful, comparatively speaking, would care about the games.  He’s working hard and handling his tough situation with class, and I hope things turn around for him.  I want him to become a great goaltender – here.

  56. topher5468 says:

    Honestly, I thought the same thing when I initially read those comments. JM is a terrible coach fron this fans perspective. Sometimes pro athletes need reasurance from their coach, sometimes they need tough love so to speak. I don’t understand his methods or his game plans.  As sson as this season from hell ends, I hope he ends from this organization, completely. 

    “It’s not an obsession, It’s a way of life..”

  57. habfab14120 says:

    Doesn’t take spending money for that to happen.
    Look how many are here for free.

  58. jimmy shaker says:

    Great point, great point!


  59. wild flower says:

    Are you still mad that Halak lost the big game to Finland?

  60. punkster says:

    Jeez Mr. Stubbs. Sure JM could have called out the boobirds. Sure JM could have heaped praise on Price. He also could have taken the opportunity to publicly blast his insipid forwards, his wimpy defense, his suddenly inept powerplay, his other coaches and even his own in-game decisions. Fact is this guy is not a man of extremes and I doubt very much we’ll ever hear him say sh-t even when his mouth is full of it. I enjoy your articles Dave but the premise of this one seems to be a bit of a stretch.

  61. Puck Bard says:


    at this stage of the season,

    with how far the Habs have come,

    with so much at stake in the last days before the playoffs,

    and given we have seen the team’s ability to implode under controversy,

    …are we choosing to focus on this as the Habs story?

  62. smiler2729 says:

    Jacques Martin’s public persona and demeanor is the equivalent of a limp handshake…

  63. JoeC says:

    JM is a terrible coach, terrible leader, terrible system.  Hes the main problem with this team, nothing else.

  64. ed lopaz says:




  65. smiler2729 says:

    I’m starting to understand…

    The Habs are missing some key ingredients that are required, no, necessary to ice a consistently competitive playoff team, we all know that. One is young player development at the NHL level. There is that purgatory where a player finds himself where he is too good for the AHL but not quite ready for prime time in the NHL. Sergei Kostitsyn, Carey Price, P.K. Subban, Ben Maxwell, Tom Pyatt, Ryan White, are all in that space right now. Some are more obvious than others because of the type of player they are (scoring threat – SK74, starting goalie – Price and offensive defenceman – PK) and where the Habs are failing is in nurturing these guys while they are trying to establish themselves as NHLers. That’s on the coaching staff and to a lesser extent, the fans.

    The coaches can’t be playing head games with these guys or they will possibly be ruined and the fans need to show PATIENCE (proven impossible in Montreal). Some of us remember Guy Lafleur’s first three frustrating seasons before he removed the helmet and bloomed into the Flower… and we also remember John LeClair’s first three seasons of mediocrity before he was traded and flourished into a lethal scorer on the Legion of Doom line in Philly.

    Now, fans, do we want SK74 and Price to shine bright here in Montreal or elsewhere??? Are we going to show P.K. Subban the same short leash when he gets up here next season? We gotta quit eating our young, people, 90% of a pro athlete’s game is half mental (thank Yogi for that) and the booing and CONSTANT criticism is lethal.

    As for the coaching, I’m not privy to what goes on there but it doesn’t look good from here. Guillaume Latendresse is gone and given up on, Andrei Kostitsyn’s on his way that way, SK’s and Price are confused as to their role and place.

    Maybe a Guy Boucher teacher/taskmaster/player’s coach type is the answer.

  66. habs-hampton says:

    So Dave, where is Pierre Gauthier through this? I don’t know if you guys have seen him lately, but I would like to hear what he has to say. I hope to God he would back Carey.

    As for the fans, I think IQ tests should be mandatory before tickets are sold to anyone. Quit wasting good seats on these idiots!

  67. hotspur says:

    Does anyone else get the feeling that this wouldn’t have happened with Boucher in charge?  From reading his interviews and comments players make about him, he just seems like the type of guy (haha) to stick up for his players. I’m not saying he’s better suited to coach at the NHL level than Martin, only that he might have taken the opportunity to encourage and elevate his players, rather than sit passively as JM has done. 


    Audere est Facere- To Dare Is To Do

  68. Dave Stubbs says:

    My only comment to all of the reaction to this:

    The issue I raise isn’t whether a fan has the right to cheer or boo. He or she absolutely has that right. Hopefully, they do both with a modicum of intelligence.

    If a player doesn’t give 100 per cent effort, if he’s lazy, going through the motions, etc., by all means, boo. But Price kept the Canadiens in Wednesday’s game, did likewise last week vs. Buffalo, has been working his ass off in practice and has been almost without exception completely mature about a season that’s been puzzling at times, a nightmare at others. He’s named third star and he’s booed, which shows only the utter ignorance of those who do it.

    What I do raise as the issue is a coach’s missed opportunity to give the kid a pat on the butt publicly and say he didn’t deserve the booing. That sends a message to the fans and, more importantly, to his team. Hal Gill spoke up passionately yesterday about the booing of Price. So did Max Lapierre and Ryan O’Byrne, the latter largely responsible for the winning goal against Carolina.

    With five games to go in the regular season, if Martin speaks up in this way, he rallies everyone.

    Dave Stubbs
    Habs Inside/Out
    Sports Columnist/Feature Writer, Montreal Gazette
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  69. twocents says:

    I have had an open mind toward Martin since his arrival. In fact, I focused entirely on the positives when he was announced and during his first few months. However, after this last incident I can no longer hold back the sense of him that I had before he joined us and that has now deepened. I dislike him. I dislike his demeanor and his style of hockey.

    I am not saying he has no chance of success here. Just that I will enjoy it less with him behind the bench.

    While I am at it I’ll list who I have liked and disliked over the past 15 years of the Habs. Trembley, hated him from day 1. Vigneault, I liked that guy from day 1, my favourite Habs coach since Pat Burns. Micheal Terrien, tried hard to appreciate this guy, but from a few months in I hated him. Claude Julien, not my cup of tea, liked him better than Trembley and Terrien but never felt entirely comfortable with him and highly doubted he could guide an NHL deep into the spring, I also disliked his demeanor. Gainey, love the guy, but felt the coaching game had passed him by. Carbo, he’s my second favourite of the period. Martin, him and Julien leave me feeling much the same way. 

  70. SLONCOLD says:


  71. Habsrule1 says:

    As I stated below, I think simply making it clear Carey was not to blame for the losses and even saying he played great in the last 2 games did just that.

    It feels more like JM is being roasted for not speaking out against the fans, and he could have said something about it, but that’s pretty touchy. not everyone id Bob Gainey.

    As a matter of fact, if anyone on the team really needs rallying at this point, we’re in bigger trouble than I thought.

    Go Habs Go!! “I don’t have a copy of Georges’ code, I don’t know what it is,”. “I think the code is that you’re here for your teammates. It’s not your code, it’s our code.” – Bob Gainey

  72. novahab says:

    Martin did nothing wrong and I still believe Price is the goaltender of the future with this club. Ryan Miller was not that hot when he frist started with Buffalo he had his ups and down.  We had a guy named Roy booed out of the city and yea he was a bad goatender wasn’t he. The team keeps letting Prices down or Price lets the team down. I think Halak has played really well but he reminds me of some other guys we had, Theodore Hackett, Huet, Thibault, Penny,Larocgue, Thomas, Plasse and Garon. all very good goaltenders that at one time showed promise but great goalies only come along once and a while. I still believe Price is very young and the team needs to support him. As far as Martins goes I think we have a guy down in Hamilton that could do a way better job with this team. Martins is feeling the heat from this and the success of the Dogs. The whole league knows Price is the real deal and they are hoping Montreal drops the ball and trade him.  If Price goes to any of the top contenders in the league next year trust me they will win the cup. As far as the fans booing its their right they pay the bills and the players better look at their paychecks. Its so easy to get the fans behind you in Montreal play well, bottom line just play with heart.

  73. twocents says:

    I wholehearted agree, Dave.

  74. SLONCOLD says:

    i hear everyone talk about Boucher being this master mind of developing players. Does everyone know him really well or something and does he have a track record for being good at this? Because with the exception of PK coming up, who i think we can all agree on has a lot of raw and natural talent, the only thing i have seen come up from the farm are 4th liners….

    As for Price, he’ll be fine, he’s laughing at it probably seeing how he is still getting 2M a season

  75. Ed says:

    I agree 100% with you Dave.

  76. abhishek says:

    Why shouldn’t he be roasted? As a coach, if your team (or a player) plays well, why not say it? We all know that Price came into the NHL too soon, and I’m sure that’s done something to his confidence. A player will feel pretty good knowing their coach has confidence in them.

    I think Dave is right on: if you’re goalie plays well and fans boo, JM should defend him. Fans have a right to their opinion, but it doesn’t mean a coach can’t stick up for his players.

  77. novahab says:

    I say if they lose tonight fire Martin and bring up Boucher. I think that dressing room needs a change. Do the Molsons have the you know what to pay Martin to go away. you have a offensive team being coach by a very very defensive minded coach.

  78. mrhabby says:

    ah…the dressing room was changed look around and see all the new players. the molson’s are not going to fire martin its only his first year and why do so many peeps think boucher can do any better.

  79. wild flower says:

    Very much the way I see it too.

  80. Habsrule1 says:

    First of all, it was only a few booers…sounds loud though, eh? Second, he said Price has played very well and was not the reason for the losses. That’s defending him, not telling fans their stupid or they shouldn’t boo. He’s obviously smarter than some people posting here, cause that would only have made things much worse next game!

    Go Habs Go!! “I don’t have a copy of Georges’ code, I don’t know what it is,”. “I think the code is that you’re here for your teammates. It’s not your code, it’s our code.” – Bob Gainey

  81. novahab says:

    I hear ya, I agree 100% but Dave would you not agree that maybe Martin knows his time is short. His brand of hockey and his cool fish approach to the media just doesn’t fit Montreal or the type of team he has. So my question to you is do the Molsons have whats it takes to fire this guy with so much money still left to pay him.

  82. BJ says:

    I agree that Martin missed an opportunity to give Price some well deserved confidence. Martin is a product of Ottawa and the capital of diplomacy. He seems afraid not to be “politically correct”. My evaluation of diplomacy; having had the opportunity to observe government, ambassadors, politicians etc. as a photo-journalist for many years, is a word for sugar coated BS and deception and not having the balls to say it straight.

  83. mrhabby says:

    agree on martin missing the boat with price. the kid is still young and learning his craft in a very tough market so what does he do ignores the chance and says zip. the perfect opportunity blown and would have cost him nothing.

  84. RJ says:

    Reaction on this board is evidence to my earlier post that controversy/conflict sells papers. Martin’s lack of a response is a NON-STORY. Is the coach expected to comment on boos, posts on this site, calls to sports radio? The story was designed to get a rise out of everybody and based on the amount of posts on this site it has worked.  

    “My face is my mask,” Gump Worsley

  85. coachdoug says:

    I think Dave is getting kickbacks from to stir the pot on the site and increase their members…just sayin ;-P

    I may join myself if I stay on here too long…

    “Vive le col roulé! Le système, C’est le col roulé!”

  86. smiler2729 says:

    No kidding, keep guys like the Subbanators out.

  87. Habsrule1 says:

    I’m actually surprised anyone is blaming JM for not “calling out” the fans.

    He said Price played well, etc, etc.

    Next article please.

    Go Habs Go!! “I don’t have a copy of Georges’ code, I don’t know what it is,”. “I think the code is that you’re here for your teammates. It’s not your code, it’s our code.” – Bob Gainey

  88. smiler2729 says:

    I don’t know Guy Boucher, I just mentioned him or rather “a Guy Boucher type” cuz of the reputation coming from his work this season with the ‘Dogs.

    From the evidence so far, he’s got the young players’ ears and Hamilton is the best in the AHL



  89. mrgordon says:

    Dave, I see your point entirely but it’s a stretchy point that many passionate fans are latching onto.  There is nothing of substance in Martin’s quote to suggest he didn’t give Price credit at all! If you ask me, Martin very slyly gives Price credit while not stepping on the right of fans who fill the stands each and every game. Is it a shrewd maneuver? perhaps, but to suggest he failed in his opportunity to rally the troops is only partly correct. We don’t know that Martin hasn’t sat down with Price behind closed doors and thanked him for his effort… or if in the locker room after the game acknowledged Price’s effort in front of the whole team. I guess the point is, the fans and the media only get what the team gives them when it comes to evaluating character. Maybe the team isn’t interested at all in rallying the fans or trying to make sure the media doesn’t spin garbage (because they always do anyway). We just don’t know what these guys really think or say behind closed doors…and on a team, that’s where everything matters most.


    I’m not suggesting you’re spinning garbage Stubbs because you have a valid point, I’m just saying that your argument that Martin blew an opportunity is far-fetched and perhaps has nothing to do with the games on the ice. Also, there’s 6 games left…if you as a journalist are concerned at all with the fans being rallied and united, why print a divisive article? Of course, I’m sure the Gazette  and HIO is appreciative of your efforts!



  90. RJ says:

    Well said.

    “My face is my mask,” Gump Worsley

  91. Xtrahabsfan says:

    What,with  5 games left you have to rally Pro Athletes who get millions of dollars…GIVE THE FANS A BREAK WILL YOU.In a City where the Habs are it and no Stanley cup appearance in twenty years and talk of another B.S. five year plan you want to bark at the PAYING FAN of the once storied long ago Montreal Canadiens, some who have been turned into BASKET WEAVERS FROM ALL THE  PENT UP ANXIETY,good luck with that Dave.

  92. MathMan says:

    Very weak on Martin’s part. I’m disappointed in him; Martin does have some decided strengths as a coach and I would have hoped his experience would have let him see the chance he got to stick with his goaltender. Guess not. Then again, he’s been terrible with young players. Guess that
    just adds to that.

    But then I don’t think it’s a firing offense; I think the reason he should be replaced is that he’s been running a poorly-coached club and is being more of a detriment than a help. Just add this incident to the pile, which is fast becoming overwhelming.


  93. Xtrahabsfan says:

    While your connecting the DOTS do the Fans A FAVOR and stay off their backs,eh…..

  94. habbyone says:

    Non issue. Maybe the fans booing were Carolina fans who don’t like Price?? To many possibilities.

  95. smiler2729 says:

    “Connect the dots, la la la la”
    – Pee-Wee Herman, 1987

  96. Miltie01 says:

    I think Jacques handled the whole situation well. He could have made a huge gesture and publicly backed Carey, but what would the results have been ? In Montreal it would have been a continuation of the never ending grudge match, sides being further polarized.

    Martin in all reality was teaching Carey a valuable lesson on how to be a professional hockey player. There will always be critics and haters, more so if you play in Montreal. The best way to handle them is not give them the time of day. He was telling the kid, “I know you played well, and you know you played well. So does the rest of the guys in this room. That is all you should concern yourself with.

    You will answer the critics and haters by playing well and winning cups. A valuable life lesson given by a clever role model.

  97. Ian Cobb says:

    Martin is a member of this team, who is about to start receiving booing himself as soon as the fans realize who is guiding this ship into the rocks.

    He has 23 players that can  get the job done, but chooses to burn out his top guys in the 1st 2 periods by not playing his full bench. Leaving half spent players to fall apart in the 3rd.

    Bench management is an art form that Martin has never mastered. He was exactly what this team needed this year to put our train wreck back on the tracks. But his style of coaching could never get any club that he has coached in the past to the next level.

    Better Price receive the Boos than where they should be directed. RIGHT!

  98. homerbowen says:

    Price is 22 and that is very young as NHL goaltenders go. However, he just happens to be a very skilled and talented goalkeep for his age and he will only get better with confidence.

    On the other hand JM is much older and has proven “diddly dick” in the NHL.  We all know why he is coaching the Montreal Canadiens and that is the problem and until we can resolve that we are screwed. Bringing in Boucher?????????????????? Geez, that’s not the answer, he has proven even less than JM. One year in the AHL does not make a good NHL coach. Our last 2 coaches lacked energy, drive, enthusiasm and confidence. It’s almost like the coach of the Montreal Canadiens sits on a throne and has to act polite and courteous like he is royalty or something similar. JM as did Carbo and BG before him stand behind the bench with stoic faces which does not change regardless of the score or point in the game just blaaaaaaaaa. Not that I would want him behind our bench but can you imagine a Torterella type coach in Montreal??? Wouldn’t you love to be in the press scrum after a game where the Habs lost???? Boy would that light a fire, perhaps even on th streets.

    Do something with the coaching next year because we are just plain boring behind the bench and it translates out onto the ice.

  99. petefleet says:

    It’s not that hard to believe that Stubbs would take this position on Martin.  Remember it wasn’t that long ago that he, I think it was him, reported that Halak had asked for a trade when nothing of the sort happened.  He is a troll of national proportions.  Any staement can be spun anyway you want it to be read or spun.  This one is ridiculous.  Price played well and everyone knows it, including the coach.  Maybe he’s just tired of coddling the young goalie.

    Anyway, I don’t put much credit in anything Stubbs writes.

    Go Habs Go

  100. New says:

    There are, to my mind, at least two issues here. One Mr Stubbs addressed twice with comments like this “This did nothing to discourage a sodden band of morons high up in the Bell Centre from booing Price’s introduction as Wednesday’s third star in his first home-ice start since Feb. 10. No matter that the goalie’s 16 third-period saves again had given his team a chance.” That is what it is, either on blog pages or in the rafters. Some folks have a hate on, and they have an agenda. Nothing will sway them so they bray from the dark.

    Another is the treatment of young, NHL ready, players. Price came up because he was ready, and potentially better than any goalie on the team. Halak came up because he was ready and potentially better than Huet. Sergi came up because he is potentially ready, and the fans like him. Lapierre came up because the fans like him. The fans like Webber, and they like PK, and they clamor for both. Neither are ready. They would be like Bergeron, spot duty. Fun if you’re young? No just wasted development, and possibly stunted development.

    Price unfortunately wears his heart on his sleeve. Halak pretends nothing bothers him. Both play behind a perimeter team that gives up the slot. The one issue the Montreal Canadiens do not have is in goal. Martin’s job is not to defend Price or Halak or any other player in the press, or to take part in a manufactured controvery. Carbonneau forgot this, and threw Price under the wheels when his own inability to coach became apparent.

    Now I do not care for Martin as a coach, but I respect that he is a good coach.  Price will become a great NHL goalie, but not before toughening up and realizing that many people are small and mean. His play will never be good enough for them, nothing in life is.

    All Martin is trying to say is that goal is not where the problem lies, and that he is not about to speak to the issues where it does rest, or other team issues, in a public forum. That is one aspect of being a good coach.

  101. Miltie01 says:

    Ian, I think everyone noticed during the 6 win streak that he was rolling the four lines. When he has lines he can play that are up to par he has no problem managing the bench. When he has 3rd and 4th lines disappearing like has been the case since the 6 game streak he is forced to overuse the top two. No coach in the league could do better with what he has been handed.

  102. Shublips says:

    Is this the right call by Coach Martin?  Not sure.  I guess you can’t go wrong with Halak as he’s given the Habs the best chance to win all year long.

    Here’s what Habs Addict had to say about it BEFORE the decision was announced:

  103. joeybarrie says:

    So I don’t remember me ever having said a bad word about JM. I tend to let the coach do his job, and have faith he knows more than I do. I know they make errors and that he is human, however he is a highly paid professional so i of course expect alot.

    That being said, I am also disappointed in him. He should have stood up for Price. Regardless of the situation. A young goalie, and a future star (possibly) I think he handled the situation poorly. Its not the fact that its Price (because I protect Price more than anyone around here) but that it is a current player they have said they will resign. Regardless of anything else. Unless this is a trick to get Price to start to fend for himself, I am sorely disappointed in THE COACH for not standing up for one of his players. He dropped a few pegs in my book today, many many coaches good and bad would be there for his players regardless of their position and quality.

    He should have done better.

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  104. fofe510 says:

    I agree.  It would have been nice if he’d been more supportive of Price.  I booed at the end of the Carolina game (from my living room, haha), but Carey was just about the only player in whom I wasn’t disappointed.  Goaltending is Montreal’s best asset right now, but for some reason, a lot of people always blame the goalie after a loss.

  105. sh00n says:

    JM is a moron, plain and simple. Carey’s worked his ass off the last two games and the team has collapsed in front of him twice after playing 2 good periods. He should be getting as much blame, if not more than anyone else in this organization.

  106. Miltie01 says:

    I don’t understand why everyone states that Martin has shown no support for thr kid. Just because it is not done in the public eye does not mean it did not happen.

  107. Ian Cobb says:

    Playing Metro’s line before his injury only a few times in the game caught up to the team by the 3rd period.

  108. MikeMcphee says:

    Gotta say I think JM got it right. The team lost and what is he supposed to say? Carey did a great job tonight? I don’t think so. He went as far as saying Carey didn’t lose it for the team, but he didn’t win the game like one Mr. Ward did for his team. As for the booing we already saw Gainey try and call out the fans for Brisebois and that didn’t do anything. The fans will think what they want to and so be it. At the end of the day it’s the supporters of Canadien’s hockey that pay the bills.

    By the way I didn’t see one star one the Canadiens wednesday night it should have been Sutter, Ward, Stahl 1 2 3. I hope we play much better vs Philly tonight Go Habs Go !

  109. g says:

    I feel that it wasn’t a real issue until the Media got a hold of it. In a way JM decided to only look at one side of the argument. AND he is right-the fans have every right to their opinion. To me this is a non issue, that people are trying to dissect to find a story. TSK TSK

    “Long before I ever wore the jersey, I wore the jersey.” Dryden

  110. Fansincebirth says:

    It became an issue as soon as the morons in the crowd booed!

    “Without the strength of the past, the team may face a choice – to win, or to be French-Canadian?” — Ken Dryden

  111. abhishek says:

    Are you interpreting my words as “Fire JM”? I’m not calling for JM’s head, all I’m saying is he doesn’t do a great job of supporting his players. But then again, trying to pull a new team + new coach together in a single season is not an easy feat to accomplish.

  112. Storm Man says:

    Please are you on glue? this guy has no clue what he is doing with this team. Martin has to go after the season is done. I think the Molson boys see it and will give him his walking papers, The Habs need a coach with some ball who won’t take crap from the fans the players and lets not forget about the press in Montreal. Martin is a 40 min coach nothing more.

  113. Storm Man says:

    LOL yes that is it all of Carolina’s 5000 home fans had tickets to the game this clears the matter

  114. Storm Man says:

    2.5 my friend 500k buys alot of smokes

  115. andrewberkshire says:

    To me, it’s about leadership. Jacques Martin lacks this quality in his coaching. He just doesn’t inspire.

  116. HabsFanInVictoria says:

    COME ON STUBBS!  He wasn’t taking the fans side.  He and Carey probably had a conversation in the dressing room after about the importance of playing through it.  As if he doesn’t support Carey.  Why would he give him starts if he doesn’t support him.  Will he go to battle with the fans?  NO! Who wants to go to battle with a bunch of faceless cowards in the crowd.  Martin is being smart and giving the power back to Carey, and not to the fans.

    Big finger of shame to you STUBBS for trying to create more problems.  WTF is it with this site and hating on people.  This site doesn’t like Martin for whatever reason.  Maybe he’s not letting you sell enough papers.  

    To the HIO loyalists, what else should we expect from these chimps running this site.  All they want is to spread hate and anamosity.  It’s becoming more and more obvious that they’re pitting us against each other for the purpose of selling papers and getting hits on their site.  

    I’m not surprised that they are booing Carey.  Emulating the hate that they get from this site.

  117. derfab says:

    Playing Price at this point can only mean that management is thinking about something other than success on the ice and in the playoffs. The fans seem to know it and the players must certainly. The understandable Boos are really for Martin and Gauthier and they seem well deserved.

  118. Danno says:

    I’ll bet you if Jacques Martin was given the third star you would have heard more than just a few boos…


    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  119. pierre lapuck says:

    the issue, correctly identified by the writer is that the coach had an opportunity to support his player, make a strong statement about the team and its players, and to do the right thing.  Of the three potential positives to take from this Martin made it so that there were none.  Idiot!  The Halak Price debate not withstanding the coach can’t pick sides. by his empty-headed trite resposne he did choose.  What a pussy!

  120. ed lopaz says:

    martin’s statement to the media was POSITIVE about Price, was it not?

    Carey a très bien navigué au travers des difficultés cette saison et il en sortira grandi, j’en suis assuré, a résumé Martin. Il a de meilleures habitudes de travail et il s’est amélioré. Il n’est âgé que de 22 ans.”

    L’entraîneur a refusé de commenter l’attitude des partisans, disant simplement que “les gens ont droit à leur opinion et je suis respectueux de ça”.

    the coach is NOT SUPPOSED TO be critical of the fans. In my opinion.

    If anyone in the organisation has the power to comment on the fans, its the GM – as gainey did when the fans booed Brisebois.

  121. joeybarrie says:

    The more i think about it the less I like it. Gainey and JM said nothing bad about Laraque until the day they said he was being bought out. Even then it wasnt insulting. It was calculated. They said he wasnt working out for us. And he wasnt standing up for us.

    Well what about the coach standing up for his players? Does that go for the coach too? a 22 year old player thinking now the coach has no faith in me. Regardless of the situation, this is not professional. Maybe its a case of JM just missing out on a chance. but then it goes to show his coaching abilities. Is he just simply missing out on opportunities left and right?

    For the first time since he came here, I wonder if he is the right coach for us.

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  122. Mr.Hazard says:

    I HATE how overblown this was! Some IDIOTS in the crowd booing Price for a very good performance. Everyone knows how RETARDED they were. We don’t need to spend ALL DAY talking about these RETARDS. I head on an Ontario sports network, the announcer said he was “booed off the ice”. Totally untrue.

    And as for JM: I’m 100% he had his reasons for what he said. He could have supported him, and maybe he should have, but the fact he didn’t surely has some significance. Then again, maybe he was just tired of losing too and didn’t care what he said.

    Anyways, I have Carey’s back at the moment. I always resented the God-like treatment, but I think BOOING him is absolutely disgusting. He didn’t choose to have fans worship him as a 20-year old unproven-at-the-NHL-level young goaltender. But thanks, Bob. I hope you’ve apologized to him.

    “love cannot drown truth, Nefertiti”

  123. deuce6 says:

    This rubs me the wrong way..This wasn’t about winning or losing, it was about sticking up for his player and showing the rest of the team that he is behind them no matter what..

    Gainey publicly defended Breezer a few years back and up until Breezer’s retirement, he wanted to play here, even after getting booed…

    IDK about the rest of you, but to me, JM is a joke of a coach and just as bad as the fans that booed him…Overblown? Maybe…Underreacted by JM? Definitley..

    Take a hike, Martin..We need someone that actually cares..What’s Carbo doing?

  124. habsgod says:

    that’s why this big eared bozo needs to be fired at seasons end! he’s not a good coach or a very smart coach either! hire guy boucher at seasons end let this big eared moron go,he can join bob gainey in the unemployment office

  125. Miltie01 says:

    He did not back up Price in the public forum, how do you know what was said behind closed doors ?

    If something was said to those fans through the media you can rest assured the poop storm would have been a million times worse, and the kid would be suffering worse unwarrented critcism. He handled the situation well by giving it the concern it deserved……which was none.

  126. Storm Man says:

    He is getting ready to coach the under 18

  127. mrgordon says:

    Can somebody please explain to me the evidence that JM doesn’t support Carey Price? Maybe I’m missing something or hallucinating or whatever, but it looks like Martin certainly said Price was not the problem. I now remember why I never post on this forum.

  128. Miltie01 says:

    There is none. This is all just the overwhelming passion of being a habs fan and the desire to win speaking !!!

  129. WindsorHab-10 says:

    Another good reason why this guy sucks as a coach. JM just gave the LOSERS who booed the green light to keep booing. There comes a time when coaches and players need to be on the same page. This has been a huge problem with this team from day one.

    Martin must go at year’s end. Thank you Bob Gainey for another bone-head signing.

  130. Miltie01 says:

    There are critics and haters who boo you no matter what you do in life. The way you deal with them is ignore them. Martin and Price will have the last laugh when these LOSERS are chearing in the future when we are winning cups.

  131. WindsorHab-10 says:

    Who gives a damn about those fans. They are not welcome in any sport period. I don’t give a damn how much money they pay.

  132. jkirk says:

    In case no one has mentioned it yet:

    The fans have a reason to be sensitive about Price right about now. It was around this time last year that WE GOT SWEPT BY BOSTON.

    That was when the ‘controversy’ started, because even though Halak saved our playoff spot, he got benched for the playoffs (except for the one period when he got to play – and let in zero goals), presumably for the sake of Price’s ‘development’ – at the expense of the rest of the Habs, and every single fan.

    Remember, though, that the decision to play Price or Halak is not made by Price or Halak. It’s made by the coach. That’s why Martin’s opinion of Price is so important, and is worthy of a story. 

    In my humble opinion: Martin should be hard on Price and the fans should be hard on Price, and we should trade Price, because when he’s in net, we lose, and it’s been like that for a season and a half now.


  133. Miltie01 says:

    This is the Patrick Roy syndrome, a desease so prevalent in Montreal. Since Roy was excellent in leading the team to two cups some feel a goalie can win hockey games, playoff series, and stanley cups single handedly.

    W and L’s are a team stat, and although Roy was stupendous those years, he would not have won if the rest of the team did not do their jobs. We also had a bit of luck along the way as well. With that attitude even Roy would not make it with this team, because I will tell you, he had some pretty big struggles early in his career too. Yep, you would be asking for him to get traded too.

  134. youngwun says:

    What a ridiculous post this was. This is how the media starts rifts between players and coaches.



  135. Thomas Le Fan says:

    Martin and the so-called fans at the game showed a remarkable lack of class. I’m starting to hope Price goes elsewhere and makes a habit of being the second coming of Martin F. everytime we play him. It’s all these clowns deserve.

  136. Grumpyoldhab says:

    Good post, Dave.

  137. Storm Man says:

    Cough Cough I will have two of whatever your on, Martin will never coach this team or anyteam to a cup. I love the Habs but Martin is not the guy to lead this team

  138. Miltie01 says:

    Worse coaches have won it !!!!
    I don’t know if Martin will be the coach if we win, just saying that the way he handled this situation was not as bad as people are making it out to be.

  139. Storm Man says:

    Martin could do PR for the Habs lol

  140. LeeFree says:

    I’m not a Pat Quinn (using him as an example) fan but you just know that he would have raised blue murder when it came to his “boys”. Many a coach out there, I’m sure, would take that approach.You leave the fans and their dollars to the PR department and worry about the here and now with your team. They must know that you have their back. You’re behind the bench for a reason, and leadership qualities is a must if you are to have any success in this league. The bigger picture of course will fall on all 20 guys in that dressing room. Time will certainly tell. For me, JM is way too lackadaisical for my liking, always was. Perhaps one should play that Phil Esposito clip, huh! Shame on the fans who booed Carey. And you call yourselves fans??? I think not!!! And Martin, grow a set and instill some passion while you’re at it! Oh, and yeah; there’s a new rule out there, hmm, it has been here for awhile now. It’s called a 30 second time-out. Try using it for ONCE!

  141. Storm Man says:

    The way I look at things Martin has to go or we risk losing Price it would be very sad to see Price go and the team I see him going to would be the Flames. I don’t understand for the life of me why the Habs need a french coach my dad told me about some guy named Scotty Bowman was he french? and he is in the hall of fame call me crazy but how many french players do we have on this team.

  142. Miltie01 says:

    Why the assumption that one has to go to keep the other ?

  143. Storm Man says:

    my magic 8ball told me so

  144. JD_ says:

    With all due respect, Dave, I totally disagree with this line.

    I appreciate you are suggesting a subtle response, a “pat on the back”, would be adequate. Pats on the back can, however, be delivered behind closed doors. As such, no matter how subtle a public pat is, it is the public aspect, not the pat one, that sticks.

    There is no such thing as subtlety when it comes to Montreal and pro hockey.

    Whether one likes him or not, seems to me all JM is doing is trying to rise above the fray. I’m seeing two messages:

    > Fans can do what they want because their behaviour is not relevant to my job as head coach.

    > I’d like Carey to continue working hard.

    Any “pat on the back” for Price in response to the fan’s taunting – no matter how subtle – would be tantamount to getting into the sandbox with the kiddies and throwing a bit of sand back at them. And, believe me, once JM is in the sandbox, there’s no getting out.

    And that’s where the problem ultimatlely lays, Dave: There is no reason to believe this will be a one-time event. As a result, any reaction by JM this time will potentially translate into an escalation down the road – i.e., is he going to ignore the next round or will be forced to come up with another subtle retort? – and there are far too many scenarios where this escalation will end up undermining Martin’s authority. The only other outcome is JM having to find a way to back down, which would be even worse.

    In this instance, JM’s retort to the fans is quite clear and, in fact, is quite dismissive in that it sticks to the coach’s knitting: “At the same time, I can’t say we lost the game because of him.” Translation: No need to worry, this coach knows better than a handful of clearly ignorant mouth-breathers in the stands.

    Let me provide the best analogy, Dave, one that is particularly relevant here: For JM to respond in any meaningful way to these lowlifes is no different than responding to one of the very small number of trolls on HI/O. It gives them affirmation and incites them to more lowlife behaviour.

    You know that the most effective and appropriate response to trolls is no response at all.



  145. Miltie01 says:

    A very clear understanding of the situation.

  146. ABHabsfan says:

    I find JM’s reluctance to publicly stand up for his goalie (or any other player for that matter) awfully similar to the night Tremblay left Roy in for 9 goals. CP doesn’t have the resume to walk up to the Pres or PG and say “trade me” but you can bet he won’t sign in Mtl after the season. The lack of common respect is similar it is just taking place over a couple months instead of over 2 periods. CP will be gone and for a lot less in return because Mtl is losing any leverage with other teams because they know he’s gonna want out.
    If JM could stand up for his guy, we may not lose the best goaltending prospect to come along in a long time. The fans are going to do what fans will do, let’s face it, they giys who were booing the other night were more than likely drunk and upset that the habs can’t win a big game. JM had time to think about what to do and he chose poorly, IMO. Standing up for Price in one media scrum could have gained the confidence of the rest of the room, but now I suspect he has lost his team for good.

  147. pablojinko says:

    Thing is, hockey is a game where standing for your teammates has a HUGE impact, I would say more than any other sport, it’s a key factor of the psychological part of the game. We see it everygame… In this case, IMO, it was necessary for JM to stand for Carey as any defenseman stand for their goalie when a rival crashes in nets, it’s a matter of showing attitude… something that Martin has failed to do all season…

    But on top of everything, to me it was mandatory to publicly say: “those s***heads are wrong, they don’t know squat about hockey” (in politically correct words lol). To have the last word in this moronic debate raised by a bunch of drunken no-fans




  148. JD_ says:

    And Price’s teammates have very publicly and honourably stood up for him.

    The only guys JM needs to worry about standing up to are the refs. That’s a whole different story.

  149. ABHabsfan says:

    A public show of support for CP is not necessarily for the public or to tell fans how to act, it would to show Price and the rest of the team that their coach is on their side. He has now demonstrated that he is not.

  150. Bradzerker says:

    When a coach backs the fans instead of his players one can only speculate about the lack of chemistry in the dressing room.  This team has no identity and it starts with the Head Coach.  JM is an average coach who, this year, has an average team.  In the past we have seen the level of success JM has had with both poor and competitive clubs.  The end result is that he cannot get his teams over the hump and this issue makes me wonder just how much support he has in the dressing room.

    It’s all speculation on my part but c’mon man stick up for your players.

  151. ABHabsfan says:

    The fact that the team has stood up for CP and his coach has not re-iterates my point that the coach will lose the room, as they say, at a most crucial time of the season.

  152. bsl says:

    Um, you think too much.

    Martin f’d up, big time. Defend your players. Simple as.

    You think Stubbs wrote that article lightly? He never writes without thinking. And he is always fair.

    That was the first long knife for Martin, and deserved. I  imagine that Stubbs thought long and hard before posting this one, and the fact that he did says that Martin will be in serious trouble next year.

    And he should be.

  153. bsl says:

    Um, you think too much.

    Martin f’d up, big time. Defend your players. Simple as.

    You think Stubbs wrote that article lightly? He never writes without thinking. And he is always fair.

    That was the first long knife for Martin, and deserved. I  imagine that Stubbs thought long and hard before posting this one, and the fact that he did says that Martin will be in serious trouble next year.

    And he should be.

  154. RiverviewCanadien says:

    So to all saying JM sucks…what were you saying right after the Olympic break? And when we make it to the 2nd round, what will you be saying then?

    People call the Bell Center fans fickle, I think the most fickle fans are those who lurk around this website. But hey that is just my opinion.

    One last thing to keep in mind (and I cannot stress this enough)…Price is not bigger than this franchise, NOBODY is! So stop saying that IF he leaves that you want him to come back and beat them, that is RIDICULOUS!

    Cheer for the crest not the nameplate!


  155. Shiloh says:

    Wouldn’t have had the issue at all if he had just played his Number 1 goalie.

  156. No et al says:

    I’ve never seen so many insane comments… starting with you Mr. Stubbs. Martin’s answer to that question was perfectly reasonable. The fans do pay good money to be entertained, and if they wan to boo (even when it’s uncalled for), that’s their choice… as dumb as it may have been in this case.

    I think all Martin is saying, is that neither he nor Price can control the actions of the fans, so it’s not worth worrying about. They have to “work within the framework”, and he says “I can’t say we lost the game because of him” implying that while he “respects the fans” he thinks their decision to boo Price was the wrong one.

    This is not Bob Gainey who can come out and tell fans to piss off (although I’m guessing Bob wouldn’t have said anything too much different from what Martin said).

    I don’t see a problem here, and certainly don’t see a controversary… smells like another lame attempt by the media to create one and it’s shameful to see the number of fans on here who have jumped on board with the idea.




  157. JD_ says:

    What JM has demonstrated is that he is a forward-thinking individual far better qualified to handle the situation than you might have, based on the rather extreme conclusions you have drawn.

    Key to this is appreciating that public shows of support are, in fact, necessarily and always for the public. That is why they are called public shows of support, as opposed to shows of support which, from what you’re saying, JM apparently doesn’t do behind closed doors.

    That would be news to me.

    Or is it that without the public aspect, it just doesn’t satisfy your desire to throw everything back in the face of those mouth-breathing fans?

    If the answer to that is “yes”, then refer back to the first part of my first sentence.

  158. Garghamel says:

    As good as his career stats are, Jacques Martin will never coach a championship team… ever. It’s just too bad he’s stuck ‘not winning’ here in MTL. Boy, does this team ever need help or what? Sheesh.

  159. JD_ says:

    “Um, you think too much.”

    Heh, yeah, it’s a real problem.

    “That was the first long knife for Martin, and deserved.”

    Motive clear.


  160. ooder says:

    actually Gainey has told of the fans in much stronger words.

    he called them gutless when they booed brisebois in a pre season game.

    and he also used a bit harsher language whne the booed price in game 4 against boston


    “I like what I’m seeing right now,” assessed Markov. “We’re not perfect, but we’re trying to be.”

  161. SeriousFan09 says:

    Yes, because Halak’s goal-scoring prowess would’ve changed the outcome of that game.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  162. pablojinko says:

    You gotta love Eklund… the guy has a PhD. in throwing gas to the fire and trying to make a profit out of it…–Devils-Want-Carey-Price-to-Follow-Brodeur-e3/1/27391

    …perfect timing, eh?

  163. Habsone says:

    Martin is a dumb %#@#@#!!  I think he is a mute.  Might be a nice guy away from the rink but he sure is dumb as a coach.  Don’t know how he ever made it.  Muller is the only guy that talks to the players.

    Go Habs Go!!

  164. jrshabs1 says:

    You can’t fault  JM for telling it like he see’s it, he was asked a question and answered it truthfully. If Carey Price’s record was 20-13-5 there would be no booing and the Habs would be sitting nicely in 4th or 5th spot right now. The Canadiens can’t hold Carey’s hand forever and now that BG is gone Carey has to stand up and be accountable for his own game. All he has to do is win hockey games period!!!

  165. andrewberkshire says:

    I understand what you’re saying James, but it’s about leadership. Martin has called players out in the media, so he’s already set the stage as to what is acceptable to say in the media. He’s lacking an important quality in his coaching, and that’s a way to inspire his team. We’ve lost how many one goal games this season? Can you think of a single time we’ve tied it in the last minute? I know I can’t. Martin may be a fairly good strategic coach, he probably knows more about hockey than I ever well, but he’s not a good enough leader, and his comments about Price show that quite clearly in my opinion.

  166. wall2bay says:

    Why can’t he do what Gainey did when he defended Breezer. Show the team and the fans you got a pair!

    It’s a terrible example of how players get treated in the city! The kid gave up 2 goals for crying out loud! Would Halak have gotten booed if he gave up those same 2 goals and was the 3rd star? Probably not!

    The same idiots who booed Price are the same idiots who boo:

    1. The US Anthem
    2. Sidney Crosby (for no apparent reason) even though he’s a self proclaimed Habs fan.
    3. Nice guy Mark Streit (who only left cuz he wasn’t offered to stay)

    These fans can be classified as the same morons who dressed up as Subban a few weeks back……..simply stupid!

    Brian Burke = Overrated Loud Mouth POS

  167. SeriousFan09 says:

    Regardless of his record, the twits in the stands had no business booing the guy who did more than any Habs player to make the win happen. Price is being held accountable, while Halak is being sold as a miracle cure by some fans to everything that ails the Canadiens, even though when he last played the Flyers he was chased out of nets and he lost of 3 of his last 4 going in to tonight.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  168. HabsFanInVictoria says:

    COME ON STUBBS!  He wasn’t taking the fans side.  He and Carey probably had a conversation in the dressing room after about the importance of playing through it.  As if he doesn’t support Carey.  Why would he give him starts if he doesn’t support him.  Will he go to battle with the fans?  NO! Who wants to go to battle with a bunch of faceless cowards in the crowd.  Martin is being smart and giving the power back to Carey, and not to the fans.

    Big finger of shame to you STUBBS for trying to create more problems.  WTF is it with this site and hating on people.  This site doesn’t like Martin for whatever reason.  Maybe he’s not letting you sell enough papers.  

    To the HIO loyalists, what else should we expect from these chimps running this site.  All they want is to spread hate and anamosity.  It’s becoming more and more obvious that they’re pitting us against each other for the purpose of selling papers and getting hits on their site.  

    I’m not surprised that they are booing Carey.  Emulating the hate that they get from this site.

  169. HabsFanInVictoria says:

    Anybody notice how Stubbs wrote COMMENT before he wrote this piece of trash.  You have some personal bias here Stubbs?  Who says the coach has to react to the fans?

  170. citizenSanto says:

    well said.

    this pot-strirring journalism is boring, biased, and just plain bad.

    Hope has two beautiful daughters. Their names are anger and courage; anger at the way things are, and courage to see that they do not remain the way they are.
    — Augustine of Hippo

  171. JD_ says:

    The players are Martin’s concern, Andrew. If he didn’t speak of them to the media, be it grudgingly, glowingly, or otherwise, he would be suspect.

    And he spoke of Price during his comments.

    This does not, however, set the stage for anything other than talking to the media about his players. To suggest as much is a stretch that you’ll agree is unsupportable.

    This whole debate isn’t about players, it’s about responding to a handful of fans. A bunch of loudmouths do not dictate the timing and nature of Martin’s comments. He’s made that clear. In fact, were he to sink to that level, he would make a fool of himself.

    There seems to be this prevailing idea that the only thing that matters is what JM says in public. I’d venture to say that public statements from coaching and management staff are just about the most meaningless things. It’s what goes on in the dressing room that matters. That is where a coach’s leadership is established and maintained.

    It’s totally legitimate to question his leadership, Andrew, but to suggest it should be done on a stage built by the mouth-breathing braying of a bunch of $10 beer-fueled troglodytes is to take the wrong tack. They have zero legitimacy and most certainly are not the basis upon which his leadership will be defined.

  172. SeriousFan09 says:

    We don’t like JM because he just decided not to stand up for the goaltender who prevented him from being blown out 5-1. We don’t like JM because he isn’t good at coaching the team to a comeback when they go down a goal or two. We do not like JM because he’s rumoured to be a defensive coach yet I really don’t see much of an improvement on our D over last season, especially in terms of organization in our own zone. We don’t like JM because he doesn’t seem to handle the young players well, his policy is bench them over a single mistake and don’t let them try and get over it.

    We don’t dislike JM or anyone because Stubbs, Boone, Mio or Hickey tell us we should, we dislike him because we find his coaching isn’t suited for getting the best possible results from our team. They are reporting their opinions and the facts and it’s up to the rest of us to debate and discuss the issues in hand. The hate on this site for Price generally comes from the fanbase that strongly backs Halak more than it being generated by any article written by the people who run the site.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  173. HabsFanInVictoria says:

    I’m sure that if Martin wasn’t coaching, we’d be first in the East, and Carey would be our #1 goalie… dream on.

  174. HabsFanInVictoria says:

    Newsflash… this site did the same thing to Carbo… 


    You can’t win in Montreal, unless you are winning the cup.  Anything less gets you criticism from the masses.  Guess what, we’re not in the 70’s anymore, and we’ve been losing a lot more then winning.  Blame the coach and goaltender?  Yah, I guess that’s just the easiest thing to do for narrow minded fans and journalists.

  175. zooziff says:

    Martin gave a fair answer to that question. I guess honesty IS NOT the best policy.

  176. ooder says:

    It’s Stubbs opinion… they ask him to write what he thinks and he does…

    just because YOU don’t agree with it doesn’t make him a chimp or wtvr.


    “I like what I’m seeing right now,” assessed Markov. “We’re not perfect, but we’re trying to be.”

  177. SeriousFan09 says:

    We wouldn’t be 1st by a long shot, if the Penguins or Devils can’t manage that with superior rosters than why would we? This team generally ran the table when they were an elite outfit such as when they basically owned the NHL in the 70s because of great coaching leading great talent. The Capitals own this conference because they’ve got some of the best offensive output the NHL has seen since the lockout and 2 forwards in the Top 5 of NHL scoring. The Canadiens could do a lot better with a coaching upgrade, but they can’t rule this Conference with the powerhouses above them.

    With better coaching, a number of games wouldn’t have ended the way they did, including the Sabres and possibly on Wednesday when JM decided to not use his TO and decide to draw up a plan to score a tying goal. That’s just recent history, injuries have hurt the team this season, but bad decisions by the coach have cost them at least a dozen points this season.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  178. HabsFanInVictoria says:

    I agree with you… he has his opinion, and I have mine. 


    But let’s think about why Price get’s booed.  You think that all these Price bashers just materialized?  This site promotes so much hate and fear among Hab’s fans.  We’re so tightly wound these days that their crowd doesn’t cheer anymore, they boo.  So many comments on this site from people who have attended the game say it’s not as loud in the Bell as it used to be.  Now instead of being loud, they’re booing the 3rd star?  And THAT is the coaches fault?  Come on, wake up and realize that guys like Boone and Stubbs promote so much hate that it’s trickling into the seats.  

  179. Habsdarling31 says:

    Martin gave an answer that didn’t push anyone’s buttons, like he always does. I understand what he was saying, because it’s true, but I would have definitely liked to have seen him address the issue like Bob Gainey did last year and at least say something remotely to show that he is standing behind his goalie (even if he is his number 2). Hopefully he had a talk with him privately about it!

  180. HabsFanInVictoria says:

    Easy to blame the coach.  it’s not his fault.  You may think that it is, but it’s not. Ever wonder why no coach has lasted more then 3 years in the last 10?  I may be wrong, but I can’t remember a coach that has lasted as many as 4 years in Montreal.  Scotty B?

  181. andrewberkshire says:

    Again, I understand your point, but Martin taking the high road on this would have been refusing to comment on it. That’s not what he did, in fact he defended the mouth-breathers in the stands. That IS weighing in on it, and giving them legitimacy, which is exactly the problem.

    As far as your first point goes, all I was saying is that if he’s going to call his players out by name in the media, he has to be ready to defend them in that same format.

    The public part is the only thing we can see and judge Martin for, and from what I’ve seen in his coaching style, demeanor on the bench and with the media, there’s no reason to believe that he would be any different in the dressing room. He’s a prickly coach who doesn’t seem to care about his players much.

  182. Danno says:

    Who is the image in your avatar? Is it Charles Bukowski?


    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  183. HabsFanInVictoria says:

    He’s in the middle of a battle for a playoff spot.  Why would he start shit with fans.  Yes it would have been nice to publicly support Carey, but what is he, a child?  He’s had Gainey come to his back, he doesn’t need Martin too.  It’s not Martin’s fight.  As far as I’m concerened, the fans in Montreal are going to do what they are going to do.  And Carey has to let them be, and focus on his own shit.  Be serious here people, there is only one thing Martin can do.  

    If he had reacted, Stubbs would have wrote a better article that could have earned him a better payday.  Instead, Martin didn’t give him anything, and now Stubbs is pissed he doesn’t have his article of the month.  STUBBS and BOONE don’t like Martin because he doesn’t give them quotes to sell their papers.  So, begin the propaganda to have him ousted in Montreal.  You’ve been buying into it for months now people.  Who would the media rather have, Martin and Gainey, quiet people who don’t give the media a leg to stand on, or guys like Burke and Wilson, quote machines who sell papers.  Let’s think about that… they just want to sell papers and want somebody who isn’t a bore behind the bench.

    I would rather have Martin, who runs a tight ship and doesn’t let any of the off ice bullshit that we saw last year get in the way.  

  184. Pay Julay says:

    Boo friggin hoo!!! Stats don’t lie…. Check em!!!!

    Carey Price sucks, he’s the most overrated goalie in the league!!

    Trade him for a half full bag of pucks while he’s still worth somethin!!

  185. SeriousFan09 says:

    They didn’t materialize, they were always here because this town has a lot of malcontents who are obsessed with the glory days returning when in the modern NHL such a thing can’t happen. It’s Montreal and it’s become a ridiculous argument around here about the goalie, not the team to a lot of these people. Because we’ve had goaltending legends in nets for almost every decade the Canadiens have been around people come to expect a new Plante, Dryden or Roy in nets and then are ready to crucify the guy when he isn’t. Price didn’t do what Dryden or Roy did in their rookie playoff years so he’s a bum. Some people here have had it in for Price since then. Then he didn’t come back well from his injury in 08-09 so that got him in trouble. Then his endless bad luck for this season started and well, that’s put him in a real hole for any possible praise. 

    The majority of people at the Bell Centre don’t read H I/O I’m sure, they more likely listen to Team 990, CKAD for their information or pick up one of those rag newspapers that try to link the Kostitsyns to the Russian mob. They form their opinions by themselves or from a variety of sources outside of H I/O. The supposed hate-mongering of Boone and Stubbs is hardly causing a problem in the Bell Centre. Goalie critics will always exist and I bet compared to any other hockey town, they are a statistically larger bunch here than any other place.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  186. HabsFanInVictoria says:

    You got tickets to the game Saturday?  I’m sure you’ll boo him, even if he’s on the bench.  Way to support the team.

  187. jrshabs1 says:

    This is not a Halak issue. Jaro has done nothing but be solid in between the pipes all year. A 24-12-3 record is everything the Canadiens could have asked for out of Halak. The problem is Price’s inability to win games and be the #1 goaltender. Who would you rather have in nets for the last 2 minutes with a 1 goal lead? I don’t know where the arguement is here. I really hope this is a hockey debate and not a Canada/ European issue.

  188. JD_ says:

    Ok. Understand.

    However, my inference – and I’m sincerely trying to be objective as possible – is that Martin didn’t defend the fans’ message, he defended their right to deliver one and left it at that.

    In the scheme of things, we do not really see much of JM. It makes extrapolation difficult. Moreover, I don’t sense this same undercurrent of apathy.

  189. HabsFanInVictoria says:

    I appreciate that opinion.  I agree with you to a certain extent.  Just because CKAD and Team 990 have their heads up their asses, doesn’t mean that this site has to aswell.  Team 990 and CKAD aren’t as interactive as HIO.  The hate festers here and blows out of proportion.  Something has to give.  I’m on the other side of the country and I wish I could be cheering at the games… its sad to hear about people booing, especially when they are booing the 3rd star.

  190. SeriousFan09 says:

    You may think the Coach is not to blame, but that is an opinion not a fact. My opinion is the coach has cost the team vital points this season and that is the opinion of many people around here and we don’t have that opinion because Boone and Stubbs told us that’s what we should think.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  191. HabsFanInVictoria says:

    Forgive me if i’m wrong… but what do you know about coaching?  

  192. SeriousFan09 says:

    Guessing about as much as you do, or is this Scotty Bowman posting under a Pseudonym?


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  193. Storm Man says:

    Thats what we got for Roy:)

  194. HabsFanInVictoria says:

    I coach, and i’m not talking about little kids.  I understand the dynamic fairly well.  I have enough sense to defend Martin because I know he’s not at fault this season.  A coach does more behind the scenes and during a game then the fans, players, (parents), etc., realize.  Just saying, if this was wasn’t Montreal where expectations are too high, then this wouldn’t be an issue. 

    Truth is, Martin has gotten this team pretty far considering the team that he has in front of him.  Most teams in the East have more talent on the ice in every given day.  

    Traditionally, its the fans in Montreal that push their team to that next level.  This hasn’t been the case this year.  Almost seems like they aren’t into it this year, to the point that they are booing their 3rd star.  Hardly think its the coaches fault for that. 

  195. habitual says:

    The amount of ignorance flowing from your post is amazing.  You mistake
    gratuitous insults for legitimate commentary, denounce negativity by
    spewing it, and are oblivious to the fact that if it weren’t for the so
    called chimps running this site you wouldn’t have a place for your
    childish and ill considered post.

    Have you not read any of Stubbs articles or heard how he asks questions in a scrum?  He’s unfailingly well considered and well mannered – take some notes.


  196. Harditya_CareyPrice says:

    If Price’s .912 save percentage is worth a bag of pucks.

    What do you suggest Brodeur is worth? His save % is .914, does that mean he’s worth a bag of pucks too?

    Sheesh, some people here. I am not saying Price is our starter. No, he’s not, Halak is the number one but at least stand up for your team, man. Isn’t that what a fan does?

  197. Exit716 says:

    Wow. Your insight into the fundamental business of print journalism is impressive.



  198. andrewberkshire says:

    Agree to disagree, as long as your not looking down on me!!! I’ll punch you in the face on April 10th!

  199. Exit716 says:

    Jacques Martin’s idea of an elite netminder is Patrick Lalime or Ron Tugnutt.

    Case closed.


  200. andrewberkshire says:

    Don’t forget Damien Rhodes!

  201. SeriousFan09 says:

    I suspect JM just thought Tugnutt was a funny name and had fun announcing him as his starter.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  202. Big Bird says:

    Couple of cents from the peanut gallery:

    (1) Dave was giving his opinion.  You can agree or disagree but to attack his journalistic credentials as some posters have done is stupid.  He writes for a major newspaper.  He’s respected by players, management and others in the media.

    (2) I see both sides here. Martin could have come out swinging like Gainey did for Brisebois but Gainey only did after the situation escalated and Brisebois was booed mercilessly for many games.  Perhaps he’s simply keeping his gunpowder dry for another day.  With some of our so called ‘fans’ that may be necessary.

    (3) This Halak versus Price thing is stupid.  When all the top scouts say Carey Price is the real deal.  When someone like Bob Gainey and Scotty Bowman says Price is the real deal.  You should get the point.  This kid is 22 years old.  He’s won the WJHC, Calder Cup and played some very good games in his young career.  Has he played great every game?  No.  Does he have the means to become a Stanley Cup winner?  Absolutely.  

    (4) Rather than get into a bitch-fest about who is better just support whoever is in nets.  And don’t boo them if they play a great game and get the 3rd star in a loss.   Ultimately, the team is going to pick one of them and the other will be traded.  I just hope that a trade is done in a non-rushed manner so we get the best possible assets back.  Lest we want to have another Patrick Roy, Mike Kean for Andrei Kovelenko, Martin Rucinsky and Jocelyn Thibault trade.

    (5) I’ve always felt that we’ve had a lack of a solid leadership core in our dressing room since Guy Carbonneau, Kirk Muller, Mike Keane, Vincent Damphousse, Lyle Odelein left town.  Saku Koivu was great but he wasn’t enough.  I think with players like Gionta, Gomez, Cammalleri, Gorges and Gill we may have the makings of a new leadership core.   I thought Higgins, Komisarek and Chipchura were the next generation of leaders but I was wrong.  You need Stanley Cup winners in the locker room who are veterans and face you up when you aren’t playing.  Guys who HATE losing more than anything else.  That’s how you build a winner.

    Happy Easter everyone…



  203. ndg-luigi says:


    Jocko Martin was always a LOSER , is still a LOSER , and will always be a LOSER , From Day 1 in Montreal I felt he was the wrong man for the job and he has done nothing to change my opinion. From his questionable handling of the line combos and defense pairings to his lacklustre public persona he continues to drag this team down. Not standing up for Carey Price is the straw that broke the camel’s back.  I can’t stand looking at him behind the bench scribbling in his little notebook. The worst move Gainey made was hiring this slug. The worst move was giving Pierre Gauthier the GM job, but that’s for another day!

  204. Off-side says:

    I don’t think this is responsible journalism.  You asked JM a question and he answered it.  It may not be in agreement with your opinion and for that reason I don’t think it’s right to judge him.  Besides, he may not have rallied him the way to the extent that you wanted him to, but at the same time he didn’t dismiss him in any way.  In the same vain, I think that if you told him that there are many people out there that want him gone (JM) and asked him how he felt about that he would probably respond the same way, i.e., that the fans pay money to go to games and love hockey and have a right to there opinion.  It’s very possible that JM did give Price a pat on the back privately.  It’s possible that you missed that.

    To ALL journalists:  please remain objective in your writing.  In the sea of all our negative crap and complaining, objectivity and maturity is desperately needed.

  205. JD_ says:

    No snax for you, kid.

  206. matraque says:

    What’s up with all the Price defending… He’s not a baby.  He’s a man and a man can handle those things.  Especially pro athletes.

    He’s not going to jump off his condo because 100 fans were pissed and booed him…  If Gomez would have been a star, he would have been booed too…

    Yeah, he’s been practicing hard for 2 months… he should have done that ALL YEAR.


    Komisarek: 0 – 4 – 4 (-9)

  207. matraque says:

    And we are wondering why coaches are kicked out of town…

    That seems like a good example.


    Komisarek: 0 – 4 – 4 (-9)

  208. jrshabs1 says:

    ignorance is not an excuse.

  209. Da Hema says:

    This entire situation is overblown. Price plays a good game but loses. Some fans, perhaps angry at Price, perhaps angry with the team’s loss generally, focus their frustration toward Price because he was named a star. The coach tells the media and fans as clear as day: this team does not lose games because of its goaltenders. And now Stubbs and others think this is scandalous because Martin did not act like a Tortorelli and spew at the fans. Would everyone please take a pill? Unlike in Phoenix and Florida where teams play to half-empty arenas even when they give out thousands of free tickets, fans in Montreal pay hundreds of dollars to see the team play. Martin is right: if the fans are dissatisfied with the outcome, they have every right to voice their displeasure–especially when the players, fighting for a playoff spot, give up. Sorry Dave Stubbs: you are manufacturing a controversy.


    “There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge….”

    –Hunter S. Thompson

  210. Garghamel says:

    Yup…It’s ol’ Hank himself.

  211. HabsFanInVictoria says:

    I humbly apologize…  respect the chimps for giving me a place to post :) 

  212. C-Dawg says:

    You’re wrong…Price never gave up…he was the only reason the score wasn’t worse….he didn’t deserve to be boo’ed…..I have no issue with the fans booing the last 2 minutes of the game….fair enough to boo the team as a whole for their effort, but to boo Price for his individual effort when he’s named the 3rd Star……that’s uncalled for and should be called out and labled CLASSLESS.

  213. jkirk says:

    First, thanks for the reply.

    Second, although wins and losses are a team stat, sometimes goalies do make the difference. That, in fact, seems to be the very reason people think so much should be invested in Price’s development.

    Third, arguments based on Price’s potential are not falsifiable, and we can’t really engage with them rationally as a result. However, I would like to point out that for every goalie whose team tends to lose when he plays, one in a thousand becomes Patrick Roy, and the rest become Nobody. 

    Which leads me to Fourth: If there is any Patrick Roy syndrome at work here, it is the belief that because Price is having ‘some pretty big struggles early in his career’ he is therefore Patrick Roy 2.0. The Habs would lose every single game if I were in net for them, and I would have some pretty big struggles too, but that wouldn’t make mean I were a future Brodeur or something. 

  214. jrshabs1 says:

    Why did you not just let it go Stubbs? You of all people knew what the reaction would be to your article. If you have such a problem with JM why didn’t you come out and say it instead of adding fuel to the Carey Price fire. The fan base is already deeply divided on the goal-tending issue and for you to drag the coach in is inexcusable. JM gave his opinion on the question asked and was far from out of line in his answer but now your article has practically started a campaign to run JM out of town. Shame!! Carey Price can work hard and say all the right things but he’s paid to win hockey games period. The coach has a responsibility to the fans first and foremost since they are the reason players and coaches are paid so if the fan is not happy neither should the coach be.  Carey Price needs to win hockey games, he needs to be the difference on the ice every game he plays. No more excuses!!!

  215. Off-side says:

    One more thing I’d like to add.  We all know what JM’s emotions are like.  He’s not the explosive type; he keeps it all in.  We see that game, after game, after game.  So why in the world would you expect him to suddenly respond passionately?  It’s no surprise to me, so why should it be a surprise to you?  He’s who he is and he’s not going to change for your question or any one else’s.  So for me, after giving it much thought, I support JM.  I think that he’s taking too much crap from too many angles.  There are a lot of people to blame when a team is struggling.  That’s why they call it teamwork.  I think it’s wrong and irresponsible to attack a coach in that way.  Simply wrong.

  216. adesbarats says:

    You confusing the point here. If it is true that Price has been working hard in practice and I would agree he has had some aweful luck this year, then JM blew a golden opportunity to bring that up. That is called smart motivational psychology – using a presented situation as an opportunity to highlight what a player is doing right, to comment on that and put your support behind that player. The player will notice and respond accordingly.

    You don’t have to get all wound up and passionate to do that.

    Instead JM just responded in a safe manner – pure gutless IMO.

  217. Willy the bum says:

    With those so-called fans like the crowd in the Canes game, the Habs shouldn’t take that abuse.

    Habs should not be in the playoffs so they can let the fans kill themselves over blaming everything; I wouldn’t mind if they can’t make the playoffs ’cause there’s always next year.

  218. adesbarats says:

    That was a purely political answer from a coach who takes a sniff to see which way the wind is blowing and then provides the politically correct answer based on that sniff. My opinion of JM just dropped two notches…..

  219. Off-side says:

    I’m not sure I agree with you.  I don’t think JM spent the night awake tring to contemplate any manipulative action.  He didn’t anticipate the question and basically answered it without wanting to insult the crowd.  To throw JM under the bus like this is basically looking for a scapegoat in this drama.  The crowd was wrong for booing, but then of course this is understandibly coming from the peanut gallery, what else do we expect?  JM tried to remain polite.  Not politically polite, just polite. 

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