Cold enough to freeze…

… insert your description here.

Three and a half hours before the Canadiens are to practice at McMahon Stadium, it’s minus-24 degrees Celsius in Calgary, minus-32 with the windchill from an 11 km/h breeze. Is this a good time to remind that the Fahrenheit and Celsius scales meet in just one place: at minus-40? (The good news: minus-32 is 241.15 on the Kelvin scale!)

Canadiens equipment manager Pierre Gervais seemed the calmest guy in the world over breakfast at the team’s hotel today, having packed an extra 750 pounds of stuff for this three-game road trip. He and assistants Pat Langlois and Pierre (Steamer) Ouellette might be the Habs’ MVPs before this weekend is over.

We’ll check in from McMahon later, assuming our cameras and recorders survive.

127 Comments

  1. JasonM says:

    Gomez is -18. Discuss. :)

  2. Harditya_CareyPrice says:

    Hmm…his cap hit will be 2.7 M…Habs cap space is 2.8 M…

    Pass.

  3. SeriousFan09 says:

    Fragile, poor defensively and overpaid even on half-salary. PASS.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  4. observer says:

    GAINEY/GAUTHIER TRADED FOR HIS CONTRACT! NUFF SAID!

  5. Harditya_CareyPrice says:

    Eric Staal is -12. Discuss ;)

  6. Harditya_CareyPrice says:

    I was confused for a sec too. I know Mr. Beliveau is a class act, but at his age it’s not possible for him to walk around the entire world.

    Still, this “other” Jean Beliveau is doing a terrific job. Best of luck to him.

  7. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    Habs have no room because of the huge contracts Gomez and Hammer have.  I don’t think a lot of people here realize that.

  8. RGM says:

    Pics of Carey’s special Heritage Classic Mask here: http://www.sportscardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1329569

    Check out the cool contests too! :)

    Go Habs Go!

  9. SeriousFan09 says:

    Carey Price’s Heritage Classic Mask, a tribute to Jacques Plante and his first mask, complete with Crazy Eyes That Follow You and Consume Your Soul.

    http://yfrog.com/h4eoadgj

    http://yfrog.com/h2ip6ixij

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  10. RGM says:

    Which happened to coincide with being his last game in the NHL because he broke his wrist.

    Go Habs Go!

  11. RGM says:

    One fight and his wrist is gone again. Bruins then have the rest of the game to be the Bruins.

    Go Habs Go!

  12. Hellfire_Habsfan says:

    Nash send to Hamilton per twitter

  13. Displaced says:

    Like any market, winners buy low AND sell high. PG is a good buy-low GM.  Getting Wiz for a second rounder was good bargain hunting.

    He needs to make an impact the other way by taking advantage of a frenzied and overbought market.  This is your wake call Bud Fox.  It’s time to sell non-core assets to desperate teams looking to impress fans with a short playoff run. 

    LA is looking for scoring.  AK could fit the bill for a 1st or a 2nd/prospect, and they have depth (even outside Schenn).  Vancouver needs D for their run.  They could give us a third for Spacek.  What’s Halpern worth to a young playoff team lacking veterans.  Or, Moen.  Those seconds, thirds, fourth and prospects are useful assets come the offseason and clearing cap space gives us more flexibility to add the quality forward(s) and defense most people acknowledge we lack to join the league’s elite.

    Who’s leg do I have to hump to get a dry martini around here?

  14. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    I don’t know, he’s had a lot of time to rehab that wrist not playing hockey.  =)

  15. Chris says:

    The problem with Kovalev is that he is 38 in a week and he’s playing on a pretty crummy knee.  I’m just not sure that there is anything left in his tank.  He has definitely not shown much over the past two seasons that suggests he has enogh left for any kind of consistent period of excellence.

  16. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    thats pretty cool.

  17. Harditya_CareyPrice says:

    TheFourthPeriod just tweeted, “A toutes les questions, en français, j’obtiens sur le Canadiens… Les Habs continue à chercher un attaquant offensif et un défenseur établi.”

    Seriously, though – how can we pursue a forward AND a dman with just 2.8 M cap space. Only person I see being moved from our current roster is Andrei Kostitsyn.

  18. RGM says:

    Not in the NHL but he’s been with the Hershey Bears this year.

    Go Habs Go!

  19. novahab says:

    So here is a question . Where the hell are the Bruins and Flyers getting cap room to add these player? .All I hear is the Habs have no room and yet how many high prices players has this team lost this year. Whats goiing on christ the Bruins are paying Ryder alone 4 mil a year. The Flyers are stack before they pick up Kris Versteeg and his 2 mil a year. Maybe the Habs should be scouting salary caps not the teams. If these two teams can pick up Salary then the Canadiens must have room for Crosby by just giving up draft picks. Is Bettman closing his eyes to the the American teams to keep the cup in the States for those wonderful TV ratings. PG better have one hell of a trade coming it ‘s frustrating as a fan to see this team on the side lines complaining there is no cap room. Mean while the teams we hate the most seem to have no problems.

  20. Hockey Socks says:

    I don’t like that he still has a year on his contract – but we’d be adding a body on the blueline without giving anything up.

  21. Chuck says:

    That’s kind of freaky.

  22. novahab says:

    Flyers have Richards contract and Pronger and Brier and the Bruins are paying Ryder what we pay Hammer and a little contarct money goes to a guy name Chara . What about the Bruins first rounder do you think he signed for the mininum I don’t think so things just are not adding up.

  23. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    I’d grab him on re-entr waivers if I could.  I’d love to see the goons on Boston take a run at our little guy’s with Souray on the ice. 

  24. observer says:

    momesso is cjad commentator on habs games

  25. RGM says:

    Just added the back photo as well. Pass on the good word!

    Go Habs Go!

  26. Hali_Hab says:

     Big thumbs up to that my friend..

     

     

    “After 13 years, I couldn’t accept to be number two.“ Guy Lafleur.

  27. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    I still think it would be worth it to watch him pound the snot out of Lucic or Thornton for attacking Carey.  I also wouldn’t be surprised if Sheldon has the nuts to go with Chara after Chara takes one of his cheap shots at Patches or PK.  That alone would well be worth signing him on re-entry.  Heck I’d even pitch in to help pay his salary just to see that.  Not to mention his cannon from the point would definately help the PP. 

  28. novahab says:

    Yea well I think Bud Fox is working for the Flyers and Bruins it is time for the SEC to step in and investigate.

  29. Danno says:

    Looks a lot like this mask!

    http://www.world-costume.com/images/item_jpgs/ta207.jpg

    Jar Jar Price?

     

    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  30. RGM says:

    Egads. George Lucas’s greatest mistake makes an appearance.

    Go Habs Go!

  31. RGM says:

    Flyers: http://capgeek.com/charts.php?Team=24

    Bruins: http://capgeek.com/charts.php?Team=5

    The Flyers are actually under the cap. The Bruins, if things continue as they are, do appear to be over the limit and indeed if that is the case the penalty will carry over to next season, a la Chicago’s penalty making their de facto cap limit for this season in the $55M range.

    Go Habs Go!

  32. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    For Philly it helps when you have guys like Giroux and VanReimsdyk making less than a million.

  33. joshua94k says:

    Playing in the Heritage Classic is prestige. There is a reason why the NHL selected the Pittsburgh Penguins twice to play in the outdoor games. They have the leagues best player in Sidney Crosby. The reason why the Montreal Canadiens were selected is because they are the face of the NHL like the New York Yankees in baseball and Dallas Cowboys in football. With a rich heritage with many championships and hall of famers the Canadiens have more fans than any other team. Also they have been one of the top Canadian teams consistently. When the game was announced last summer, so many fans wished their fans could be part of this special event.

    With Cammalleri, Gill and Wisniewski looking to play tommorow, the Canadiens chances are looking better.

     Go Habs Go!!

    “It’s too much for one guy to shoulder. For us, we’re going to do it as a group. It’s about sharing that responsibility win or lose.” – Mike Cammalleri

  34. HabsFanInTampa says:

    No thanx. Souivante, next!

  35. B says:

    The players you suggested for selling off were Kostitsyn, Spacek, Halpern and Moen, all of whom ARE players on this Montreal team.
    D’Agostini had played poorly for Montreal all last season and his ice time was severely limited until he was eventually sat for over two weeks prior to his being traded. He had played his way out of the picture for the Habs last season.
    That is not the case yet for any of the “It’s time to sell” players you suggested.

  36. RGM says:

    Hopefully the media guys will have a story about Carey’s special even mask for the game. :)

    Go Habs Go!

  37. HabsFanInTampa says:

    You are mistaking the Souray of 5 years ago as the Souray of today. 2 very different players.

  38. Storm Man says:

    Sounds like John-Michael Liles is in play. I don’t know if he is what we need on the backend with what we have in PK. I will hand it off to others and see what you think.

  39. wild flower says:

    “Habs have no room because of the huge contracts Gomez and Hammer have.”

    Their contracts only take up 12.857 million of the cap space so I don’t think you are correct. There must be other contracts that are also using up some of the potential space. 

     

  40. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    ? is that what I’m doing?  because here he is in 2010 going toe to toe with a very tough dude by the name of iginla.

  41. Hobie Hansen says:

    There’s some pretty solid old school Habs in the alumni Game today. Sergio Momesso, Mike Keane, Craig Ludwig, Brian Skrudland, Ryan Walter, Kirk Muller…those are the exact types of players the Canadiens could use on their team now. They all played physical and very affective games within the rules, most of the time, and all had tremendous heart. The Habs could use a couple more guys on their checking or shutdown lines like them.

  42. wotever says:

    I looked a bit into him:

    Offensive defenseman, 30 yrs old, 5’10, 185#, cap hit $4 550 000, recurring shoulder problems

    Some credited him for anchoring O’Byrne when he landed with the Avs


    It’s just a game.

  43. Danno says:

    Price’s Winter Classic mask is pretty freaky looking. But if it spooks the other teams and he does well with it, maybe he’ll keep using it. It seems to have some voodoo quality to it.

     

    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  44. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    Only take up 12.857 million huh? hmmmm.  ok. Well it’s great that those two take up so little then.

  45. wild flower says:

    Lecavalier -9

    Gagne -22

    Sharp -9

    Jokinen -10

    Peverly -16

  46. B says:

    Teams who trade players for picks are sellers who have given up on the post season. While the Habs are not cup contenders, they are a playoff team and I don’t expect them to throw in the towel and become a seller.

  47. Harditya_CareyPrice says:

    Dave Stubbs just tweeted that James Wisniewski, is in fact, skating.

  48. sg81 says:

    FEB 19/11 ASSESSMENT:

    Overview: When the trade deadline comes, any smart GM must determine whether or not sacrificing assets to make moves would turn the current team into a cup contender. Anything short of that, and you’re wasting assets. Therefore, to people who are on here criticizing Gauthier for not making any moves, consider this: Are the Habs 1 or 2 pieces away from winning the cup? I personally don’t think so, and therefore, I wouldn’t trade a 1st rounder and a player such as Pacioretty or PK for a rental player like Kaberle. Not only that, but with TB, Boston, Philly all dramatically improved, the odds of 1-2 moves giving us a drastically better chance are now even lower. If this team is to go far in the playoffs, it will be due to JM’s great defensive coaching system (I scoff at anyone who thinks he’s not a good coach, they know very little about hockey), Price’s goaltending, and opportunistic scoring. That being said, the Habs  have a clear need for a power forward, and either a powerplay quarterback defenseman or a bruising D-man to face Boston and Philly in the playoffs.

    Defense: Wisniewski, PK, Gill, Hamrlik, Gill, Spacek, Weber, Picard, Mara. What’s missing here? A PP quaterback and a LOT of grit. When Hamrlik is your grittiest defenseman, you’re in big trouble. I love Gill, but his use of his size is embarrassing. Wisniewski was a great pickup for a 2nd rounder. PK is going to be a star and is getting better by the game. Spacek is nothing special, but he plays well in the playoffs and provides a steady presence. Mara is an atrocious player, and although I completely think a 5th rounder was a waste to rent Mara, I guess he may have some sort of presence in the locker room. Brewer would’ve fit in very nicely here and only cost a 3rd rounder and a lower level prospect. Neil would be a nice addition as well.

    Offense:

    MaxPac – Plek – Gionta
    Kovalev – Gomez – Cammy
    Pouliot – DD – AK46
    Darche – Moen – Halpern

    If we can get Kovalev for a 3rd rounder or better, we should jump on that. Anyone who doesn’t think Kovy is worth a 3rd is out of their mind. The guy loves Montreal and Montreal loves him back. The thing about Kovalevy is that he plays BIG when it matters. I don’t care how he plays in Ottawa on a last place team. All that means is that I can acquire him for cheaper. Kovalev screwed himself over in his career as he could’ve made a lot more money if he had better regular seasons. The beauty about Kovalev is that you pay 4-5M for him but come playoff time he performs like a 7M player. I would take a chance on him in a second as he would completely anchor our second line. The only other player I’d take a shot on would be Arnott, but NJ is playing amazing lately and that trade would only get done on Feb 28 once NJ is sure they won’t make the playoffs. Penner may have size but he’s not that good a player and would probably not succeed in Montreal. He is certainly not worth a 1st rounder and a prospect, including picking up his high salary.

  49. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    Knowing Carey he’ll probably raffle it off for charity.  He’s a good kid.

  50. wild flower says:

    I still maintain that you must be wrong, There are others taking up cap space,

  51. sg81 says:

    Kovalev hasn’t been doing anything for the last couple years. He didn’t want to leave MTL but Ottawa offered him a lot more money so he had to take it. The thing is, even though he hasn’t been doing anything, he still has more goals than almost all the forwards on our team. Also, I think he has something like 6 goals in the last 8 games… See where this is going? The guy tries when he wants to, nobody can dispute that. He wants to get traded, all of a sudden he starts scoring. I guarantee Kovalev would love to come to MTL for a playoff run and would give it his all. He’s a UFA at the end of the season and we don’t have to re-sign him, but for a 3rd rounder, whoe else could we get? I would love to get him back.

  52. t1tan5 says:

    2.8 Million dollars is a lot now because if you pro-rate that over one full season, we can assume about $10 million in salary for the remaining 20 or so games left in the season.

  53. DearyLeary says:

    I haven’t read through the comments, but can someone explain the Eric Johnson for Chris Stewart deal?  That came out of left field.

  54. J_P says:

    He had 26 points in his first 29 games, followed by 10 in his last 29.  He has precisely 1 point over colorado’s current 9 game losing streak.  He’s 5’10, 185 lbs and 30 years old.  In other words, he’s another small, non-physical, inconsistent, offensive-minded blueliner. 

    Doesnt seem like the type of player the habs should be targetting IMHO.  

  55. J_P says:

    “Only” 12.8M? 12.8 million is 21.5% of a 59.4 million dollar cap…on two players.  21.5% of your cap is a boatload to have committed to two players, especially when their names are Gomez and Hamrlik.

  56. HabsFanInTampa says:

    You lost me when you mentioned acquiring Kovalev.

  57. Displaced says:

    I’m not a Kovy fan.  Maybe he can go to Anaheim and play with Koivu…

    Who’s leg do I have to hump to get a dry martini around here?

  58. J_P says:

    I guess the blues feel that Pietrangelo has the goods to be their franchise defensemen, and felt that they were better suited with a power forward like Chris Stewart, where the avalanche wanted a young, franchise defensemen in Erik Johnson.  Don’t forget that the blues also got back Kevin Shattenkirk, who was colorado’s 14 overall pick from 2007.  He looks like he has the potential to be a real solid offensive D-man as well, which is why st louis is giving colorado their 1st round pick for a second round pick. 

  59. smiler2729 says:

    The Scott Gomez “Sweepstakes”…

    The Hockey News’ latest edition’s Trade Deadline Primer has each team’s cap space and here’s the Gomez friendly teams:

    Atlanta ($18.2)

    NY Islanders (18)

    Colorado (16.5)

    St.Louis (13.3)

    Edmonton (13.2)

    Tampa Bay (10.3)

    Carolina (9.5)

    Phoenix (9.1)

    Florida (8.7)

    Nashville (8.4)

    Kinda gives you some hope eh? Now if only some team would want AK46…

  60. Displaced says:

    I have a hunch LA will take AK.

    Who’s leg do I have to hump to get a dry martini around here?

  61. sg81 says:

    I have an idea… I would actually PAY another team to take Scott Gomez. I would offer Gomez and a 3rd for NOTHING, 0 in return. Think about it, with that cleared space, we could sign Richards in the offseason…

  62. Displaced says:

    Trading non-core players doesn’t mean throwing in the towel. PG moved D’ags at the deadline last year and filled his spot with Moore.  AK isn’t top 6 here.  Move him to a team that will play him in that role and pay an appropriate price.  Fill the gritty third line winger spot with a gritty third line winger.

    Who’s leg do I have to hump to get a dry martini around here?

  63. JohnBellyful says:

    See more recent thread

  64. HardHabits says:

    I would’ve discussed it if I wasn’t so disgusted.

  65. HardHabits says:

    Kovalev for a 4th and I’m onboard. However:

    Cammy –  Gomez – Gionta
    Kovalev – Plek - AK46
    Pouliot – DD – MaxPac
    Darche/White – Halpern – Moen/White

    that’s if Kovalev – Plek – AK46 can rekindle their magic of 2 years ago.

  66. Pieboy says:

    Souray was shaky defensively even when he had his legs.

  67. Danno says:

    Jean Béliveau is amazing. He’s walking around the world for peace and children…

    http://wwwalk.org/

     

    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  68. Matt_in_TO says:

    psst, that’s the wrong one……

     

    - In Price We Trust

  69. Matt_in_TO says:

    Souray is on re-entry waivers…..

     

    - In Price We Trust

  70. Barts says:

    Next year?? Are you kidding me? It’s not like we’re flailing around in 8th/9th spot. We’re only a handful of points out of the division lead!!! You get in, you’ve got a chance. Therefore logic says, you make your team better to compete when you get there. I guarantee you, the majority of posters on here are tired of hearing about ‘next year’ with this team.

  71. Bugs says:

    Go back to Toranna. And take your “next year” with ya.

  72. Mike says:

    GAUITHER HAS DECIDED THAT NEXT YEAR WE GO FOR THE CUP. NOT THIS YEAR!!! SO RELAX

     

    Look at our potential lines for next year:

     

    Patches-Pleks-Gionta   (13 mil)

    x-Gomez-Cammy   (13.5 mil)

    Pouliot-DD-White      (3.5 mil)

    Darche-x-Moen       (2.5 mill)

    Markov-Gorges      (9 mil)

    x-Subban      (.800 mil)

    x-Weber      (1 mil)

    I’m guess this is what we would have to spend to get these guys back, we still have eller. and we only spent around 44 million. That would leave us with about 12 million to sign 1 second line winger, 1 third line center (Eller, we have) a second and third line defenseman.  And potentially getting rid of Gomez’s contract.  

     

    SO RELAX PEOPLE!!!! Look to next year. Just think about the experience PK, DD, Weber, Eller, Nash ect.. are getting

  73. joeybarrie says:

    I understand what you are saying. But we were just outside of the GOING FOR THE CUP when the season began. Losing Markov and Gorges pretty much makes it impossible.

    Its not a building our youth any longer. We changed that when Gainey went out and signed Gio, Cammi and traded for Gomez. Along with the fringe players they have gotten, they have made this a top team.

    Right now though, there is really nothing we can do to make us a Cup challenger. So why waste what we have to get close. Now we are making the right choices.

    Markov, Gorges, PK, Wiz, Spach, Gill…. Cammi, Pleks, Gio, Gomez, MaxPac, AK, Pouliot, Halpern, Eller, Darche, Moen, DD…… Price    This team is a top 2 forward short of being a competing team.

    To me that is the only thing we should be looking for. And not giving up future top 2 line players to do it. Cause again, that only putting off the inevitable. And anyone who we can realistically get may not be better than who we already have.

    This means trading AK for Stewart. Wont happen. Eller for Tavares. Moen for SHarp… NEVER gonna happen.

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  74. TorontoHabsFan says:

    To be fair, you can make a similar list for pretty much every team in the league:

     

    VCR – Raymond, Torres, Malhotra, Hansen, Glass, Tambellini, Samuelsson, Alberts, Rome.

    WSH – Fehr, Laich, Chimera, Steckel, Bradley, Gordon, King, Hendricks, Perrault, Hannan, Poti, Sloan.

    PHI – Zherdev, Nodl, Powe, Shelley, van Riemskdyck, Betts, Carcillo, O’Donnell, Bartulis.

    DET – Helms, Miller, Eaves, Bertuzzi, Abdelkader, Modano, Ericsson, Salei, Kindl.

    PIT – Cooke, Dupuis, Rupp, Engelland, Connor, Asham, Godard, Lovejoy, Letestu, Kennedy.

  75. Hali_Hab says:

    Agreed.. it’s always next year with this club. i wish they would grow a pair and make a move to show they are going for it. After last years run there is no reason they shouldnt have earlier in the year.  i have been listing to the next year/ build with our youth thing for like at least 15 years. detroit manages to work youth in to a line up that has … wait for it bonnified fowards… so get with the program montreal this is not toronto.

     

    “After 13 years, I couldn’t accept to be number two.“ Guy Lafleur.

  76. habs001 says:

    pyatt,moen,halpern,darche,white,eller,spacek,gill,nash,picard,auld,dd,ak46…the reason we are not ready for a cup run is that these 13 players i listed that are part of the roster could easily be matched with the same level of players if there was an expansion team starting next year…we have a good record because of goaltending,team d, pk and clutch goals but our individual talent is not even top 15…credit has to be given for what the team has done but remember it is one of the worst goals/per game teams and one of the worst road teams also…

  77. observer says:

    Next year(THE DAY HABS GET ELIMINATED IN ROUND 1 OF THIS YEARS PLAYOFFS) they should hire a REAL GM! End of story!

  78. avatar_58 says:

    I just want them to make decisions – NOW. Are they ‘done’? If so what was the point of getting Mara? Why not just bring up Carle/Henry/St.Denis? Choose – either you go for the cup or you bow down and trade away UFAs.

    For instance-  decide on the defence now. Sign Gorges, Markov (? maybe) AND Wiz. Is Gill staying? If so sign him, if not trade for a low pick. Is hamr going to resign? No? Then trade him to a team that needs a solid vet. What about Moen and Halpern, are they in future plans? No? Then trade them in a package for picks.

     

    This is what drives me nuts about this team – their inability to choose between contending and setting up for next year. I mean come on – even Burke sees the writing on the wall. If you can’t get beyond the 1st round what in gods name are you doing keeping UFAs that aren’t going to be resigned? What is this stupid rule the habs GMs employ of waiting till the season is done?

  79. Danno says:

    Ian’s right. Many schnooks from the south just blow hot air ;)

     

    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  80. Danno says:

    My bad. Peace

     

    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  81. fbkj says:

    dont be knockin the shore >:(

  82. Chris says:

    He was dealt, along with Scottie Upshall and a couple of draft picks, before ever having played a game for NSH in the deadline trade that brought Peter Forsberg. Philadelphia very much wanted Parent in that deal. So I’m not sure that this particular argument adds much weight to what you’re saying. The fact that Parent’s rights seem to be the commodity that gets dealt in so many of these deals indicates there remains some hype around his NHL potential.

    I agree that he has been a disappointment so far. His complete lack of offence has always been his biggest drawback, and the back issues that have plagued him since his last OHL season (which culminated in back surgery in the second half of last season) have been another mark against him.

    But at the end of the day, I won’t be at all surprised to see him as a better player than Josh Gorges in 3-4 years time. He’s too solid all-around and has too much big-game experience to not get a shot from somebody. Guess we shall have to wait and see.

  83. SeriousFan09 says:

    Yet no one seems to want to play him. This is a defencemen who was drafted by NSH, who are one of the leading teams in the NHL for having a defensive system and that develops good young defensive talent. He was dealt before he ever played a game for them to PHI, he was dealt back for Hamhuis’s rights, he was then dealt again for Shane O’Brien. Considering the penny-pinching nature of NSH and Trotz’s rep, you think they’d give a guy making less than a million a year a look.

    I visit Hockey’s Future quite a bit, I’ve yet to see a lengthy discussion of how Ryan Parent is a solid player waiting to get his chance. Look I’m sure he had something about him in junior that you and obviously scouts saw for him to get drafted as he did but all I know is that so far, he’s not showing the goods as a quality NHL defencemen.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  84. Chris says:

    My saying Parent was “10000 times better” was a tit-for-tat reply to a poor argument on your part.  Vancouver is tight against the cap…bringing up a guy they KNOW is going to be claimed would be foolish, as they would have another $450 k against their cap for a guy playing for somebody else.  Hence I felt the 4 games for Vancouver despite their injury woes was an invalid argument.

    You follow junior prospects, Robert…ask around.  Parent is very highly regarded.  He is a strong skater, has decent size (6’3″, 198 pounds), is sound defensively and has strong leadership skills.  It is not easy for a defensive defenceman to get a lot of draft hype, but Parent was one such guy.  Playing on a U18 Silver Medal winning team and 2 gold-medal winning U19 teams helped his case.

    We’ll see.  But I’m willing to bet that he will eventually be in the league logging 19-21 minutes per game for somebody.  It’s taking him some time to get the requisite strength on his frame to be a defensive defenceman in the NHL.  He will never be a banger, as that is not his personality.  He is more of a Josh Gorges/Andrei Markov positional defender, and he was absolutely dominant in the OHL in that role…I’ve followed the OHL for the past 10 seasons and haven’t seen anybody dominate at the defensive end the way that Parent did. His defensive performance in both of his world junior appearances, partnered with Marc Staal, was a big contributor to the excellent WJC numbers of both Carey Price and Justin Pogge  Throw in the fact that he has a lot of experience playing with a high risk partner (Drew Doughty) and you get a guy who could fit well with one of Subban or Weber.

  85. SeriousFan09 says:

    Yes and Andrei Markov was pretty much a rookie at that age too, doesn’t mean Parent is special, otherwise it’s a crime against God and Man that Justin Pogge is plying his trade in the AHL, there are plenty of WJC kids who haven’t made something of themselves either.

    I don’t rave about Tinordi and I don’t recall anyone here saying he’s a future Pronger. We’re interested in his development path as he adjusts to being 6’7″ (I’m 6’4″, I have been for close to a decade and I’m still not that graceful) and puts some muscle on his body but he’s 4 years away from NHL action at best. I have seen him with a very good skating stride for someone his size, he looked good in pre-season action and captained the US Under-18 team when they won Gold. Size, skating, character, that’s what I like in a defensive defencemen prospect. Someone being “10000 times better” is a very poor assessment when trying to make your arguments as well.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  86. Chris says:

    Yep. Vancouver can’t bring him up as he is re-entry waiver eligible and they know they would lose him, hence his only playing 4 games.

    Parent is a 23 year old defensive defenceman. At that age, Hal Gill wasn’t in the league. Kimmo Timonen wasn’t in the league. Karl Alzner only just broke into the league as a regular this year (he’s a year older than Parent).

    Parent was nailed to the bench as a 22 year old on a team that featured Pronger, Timonen, Carle and Coburn. I don’t think that is exactly a terribly reliable indicator of his ability long-term. I watched Parent play a lot in the OHL.

    Let me just say he was about 10000 times better than Jared Tinordi, who many here rave about. He was a stalwart on Team Canada’s WJC team in 2006 and 2007. Partnered with a puck-mover like Weber or Subban, Parent could be a very good Josh Gorges like defender.  Gorges is probably the best comparison I could make to Parent, and Gorges wasn’t an NHL regular at age 23 either.  :)

  87. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    lol, yes, they are very HIGH on him.

  88. SeriousFan09 says:

    This is the same Ryan Parent who was nailed to the bench in the playoffs last year and has been given 4 games to play to date for VAN despite their blue line being as bad off as ours?

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  89. Chris says:

    I don’t think many people realized that Erik Johnson was available. You never know who is available until you pick up the phone.

    I’m still all for acquiring Ryan Parent from Vancouver, but the word is that they remain very high on him and don’t want to part with him.

  90. avatar_58 says:

    What do you propose they do? There aren’t any top tier defenceman available – which is what the habs need, not 4th and 5th d-men. They need 1 or 2 solid guys that can play 20+ minutes and NOT look like rookies. How do you propose they get them without trading the farm and destroying the future?

  91. observer says:

    what you say is 100% correct but it is not how gauthier and his partner gainey operate here. and gauthier has a great 30 year history in this league and many, many stanley cup final appearances and stanley cup wins so he knows best.

  92. joeybarrie says:

    They said the decision would be today at the practice for the most part. So I think the 4 weeks was a rumor. If he was out for 4 weeks it would have been settled he is absolutely out for the Classic, and he would be on his way home already. I THINK…… Cause getting injury info out of the Habs is harder than turning coal into diamonds.

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  93. Danno says:

    That was based on unfounded media speculation (RDS) stating it was a fractured cheek bone. Turned out to be false, thank goodness.

     

    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  94. scrowe21 says:

    1. Still Philly.

    2. STEWART. but he was traded today.

    3. AK,Weber,1st round..maybe throw Kristo in. Which would be A LOT to give up, but Stewart is exactly what they could use.

    4. Maybe 2 rounds but thats wishful thinking, but only because they will struggle to score.

    5. He doesn’t seem like the type of GM to make big moves period. Price PK Pleks and Pac are the only ones he shouldn’t trade.

  95. alestar says:

    1. Philly by a long shot…gods, how I hates them!

    2. Brewer would have looked good in a Habs uni…especially at the minimal price he was let go for.

    3. No way of knowing what goes on behind the scenes. Its easy to sit here and criticize the outcome of deals that happen, but we never know what was in play…tough one to answer, realistically.

    4. No.

    5. Protect the prospects…we have a great core and could go deep in a couple of seasons. No point it giving away assets this year to maybe go 2 rounds.

     

    XXIV…and counting

  96. ABHabsfan says:

    1. Still Philly. Though they will beriding a rookie goalie into the play-offs.

    2. Would have been nice to get Brewer, though I understand he had a NTC and may not have wanted to go to Mtl.Weather in Tampa is nicer.

    3. Could have matched the deal with StL but if a guy doesn’t want to be here, whaddya gonna do?

    4. Play-off longevity rests on Carey Price. If he plays out of his mind it will give the forwards the confidence to let it out a bit on offense. PLay-offs are fun(ney), anything can happen when a team gets on a roll.

    5. I can understand not wanting to give up any prospects but are our prospects reallyt that great? I would not say any are blue-chippers. Leblanc will be good and you can’t trade a Mtl boy before he even suits up. With everyone healthy this IS a very good team but everything must come together perfectly. I wouldn’t mind having some extra help on D and a policeman to keep the goons of Philly and Bos off of our talent. We can beat both those teams if our talent is allowed to play

  97. SPATS says:

    1) The Montreal Canadiens – Philly & Boston will both be out in the 1st round

    2) No

    3) See # 2

    4) Yes

    5) I believe he’s assembled a cerebral team that everyone else believes is an underdog but you won’t find one guy in the room who buys into that. This team has very good chemistry. Chemistry so balanced that he does not wish to mess with it. We’ve built a decent record and have room to experiment with youngsters heading into the playoffs. Many of our currently injured/sick vets will be rested and ready when the bell rings. And last but certainly not least, we have Carey Price in his prime.

    OOH AAH – HABS ON THE WARPATH!

  98. SmartDog says:

    5 QUESTIONS:

    1. Who’s the toughest opponent in the East now?

    2. Are you dissappointed that PG didn’t get any of the players who switched jerseys last week?  Who…

    3. If you ARE dissappointed, what deal could/should have have matched/bettered?  If not, why not?

    4. Do these Habs, without Markov and Gorges, realistically have it in them to go two rounds or more in the playoffs? 

    5. Putting all that together, assuming PG does little else now, what view would you guess is guiding his actions?  Does he think we’re better than we are? Or that we’re tough enough when we’re not?  Or that we just don’t want to give anything up because our prospects are that good. 

    SD

     

  99. observer says:

    if mara is the best defenseman gauthier could find after seeing these others plus there will be more traded — then gauthier is totally incapable of evaluating pro personnel.

  100. SeriousFan09 says:

    1. Same team it’s always been, Philly. Boston didn’t suddenly gain a 3rd line of good scoring that I noticed and PHI’s D is still deeper.

    2. I’d like us to have gotten Chris Stewart, but you know… I don’t want us trading Subban, a 1st and extras away for him.

    4. If Price goes all-world, the est of the D returns to health and we get some big playoff performances from the vet forwards, why not?

    5. I think Gauthier knows his team matched against the top teams in the NHL is not a Cup squad so while he’s under a bit of pressure to ensure playoffs, he knows better than to make a wasteful acquisition. Why blow a good prospect for nothing?

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  101. Displaced says:

    1.  Got to be Philly

    2. Nope

    3. n/a

    4. Nope.

    5. PG is a scout at heart and loves getting a bargain on pleyers.  It makes him a good acquirer.  He hasn’t shown that he’s a great disposer.  He and BG prefer to lose players as free agents rather than get SOME value back.  Time to move non-core assets and those players finishing their contracts to crazed teams.

    Who’s leg do I have to hump to get a dry martini around here?

  102. savethepuck says:

    1. As much as I hate to say it, Philly.  But the best team doesn’t always win, if it did, Vegas would not exist.

    2.N0.

    3.N/A

    4.Yes.  Who thought we would do what we did last year and more importantly, who seriously thought we were a cup favorite in 93?  For this team to win, they need all players to play at the top of their potential, and our defensive system frustrates other more skilled teams.

    5. We have only really had 2 lengthy slumps this season, both as a result of numerous injuries.  When we’ve been healthy, for the most part this year, this team has played well.  With the present injured players due back soon, with the exception of Markie and Gorges, we will again be an upper tier tier team with a chance of home ice advantage in the playoffs.  With all the injuries, our youth has stepped up in an important role, giving me positive feelings regarding our depth.

  103. smiler2729 says:

    1. Philly, still Philly, Boston doesn’t scare anybody (blew a 3-0 series lead last spring LOL!)

    2. I’d have liked Eric Brewer.

    3. Huh? I’m not the GM.

    4. Sure.

    5. I’d like to rid ourselves of AK46 and Gomez, I’d like to add Chris Neil, I’d like to buy the world a Coke too. I like the youth on this team (Subban, Pacioretty, DD, Eller, Weber, Nash)

  104. Chris says:

    1)  Pittsburgh, if they can pull off the biggest deadline deal of them all:  getting Sidney Crosby back from concussion.  They’ve lost one game in the standings over the past 10 games to the big bad Flyers while missing both Malkin AND Crosby.  When they get Crosby back, anybody want to bet me that he isn’t worth 1 extra win over that 10 game stretch?  Boston and Philadelphia are obvious threats as well, but I think Bylsma knows what he’s doing in Pittsburgh.  And they’ve got the LTIR space to make a move at the deadline:  Brad Richards? 

    2)  Deadline hasn’t come yet, so no…but if we’re still sitting on a bunch of UFA/RFA that he doesn’t intend to bring back at the deadline, then I will be disappointed.  Kostitsyn is worth something to a contender like Pittsburgh or Vancouver, and increasingly looking like he’s worth nothing to us.

    3)  Stewart is the only guy that is somewhat appealing, but I’m not sure how much of that was him and how much was playing with Paul Stastny.  He’s a good player, but the book is still out on him.

    4)  No.  But I said that last year, and they went three rounds.  Luck is a funny thing.

    5)  He doesn’t want to make any big moves because the team is high enough in the standings that the always possible backfire could leave him very exposed to the inevitable furor.  But I do think we’re overvaluing our own non-roster prospects, none of whom is a blue-chip top-6 or top-4 player.  They all have huge question marks.

  105. punkster says:

    :/

    ***Subbang!!!***

  106. observer says:

    #5 – not a cup squad so do nothing??????????——THAT BS was squashed again last year when two 88 point teams made the eastern finals and one of them within 2 games of winning the stanley cup. besides i agree gauthier has a 30 year experience of being with a team who never even made the finals – so how would he know that a team can or cannot be stanley cup material by bolstering it?

  107. habs-hampton says:

    I though I heard he could be out 4 weeks.

  108. Danno says:

    Has the morning skate started yet in Calgary and if so did Wiz show up?

     

    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  109. punkster says:

    Thankfully Tony we have you for that.

    ***Subbang!!!***

  110. SeriousFan09 says:

    Punkster, don’t encourage tony. It’s like going by the tinfoil hat people, pointing up and screaming “THEY’RE RIGHT THERE!”

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  111. derfab says:

    Bizarre trade. Two teams giving up on their top picks? Looks like St. Louis is in full panic. Maybe Halak is next. What really gets me though is that Tampa keeps getting better. Stevie is a smart cookie.

  112. observer says:

    Pitts and Wash are soon to be making their trade moves as well while the Gauthier/Gainey duo does nothing again as they have since 2004 to not bolster the current year’s run to the playoffs and cup. Sitting in 5th /6th place not far behind Boston and the #3 seed. “Deja vu all over again.”

  113. fbkj says:

    chinook :)

    yeah they can be nutty

     

  114. Ian Cobb says:

    I have lived in both Calgary and Edmonton in the winter when I was working pipeline construction in the 60′s. Talk about cold! I could not live there today.

    But in Calgary I have seen the temp change in 12 hrs. the same day from 35f below to 35f above, when a schnook wind came in from the south.

    (Is that how you spell it.?)

  115. scrowe21 says:

    Just woke up..you gotta be f**king kidding me! Chris Stewart the the Blues! Everytime I suggested PG try to get him.. ” They’ll NEVER trade Stewart”

  116. hab_skill says:

    I was one person that thought they would never trade Stewart. Dumb move by Colorado.  Really wish PG had gotten him however I don’t think we had enough to give Colorado. We probably would’ve had to give Eller, PK and our first-rounder for him… Not really worth it.

  117. SeriousFan09 says:

    Because we’re just flowing with 22-year old 1st overall picks who we can easily trade away. That was a blockbuster deal.

    Should we deal away Subban for that scoring forward we want, cripple our defensive future?

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  118. Danno says:

    Cold enough to create an ample supply of the original hockey puck… road apples (frozen horse poop).

     

    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  119. jimmy shaker says:

    Is calgary part of western canada?

    Shaker

  120. gohabsgo25 says:

    to comment on that. price has never played in calgary. for the pass 2 yrs i been going to the games here in the saddledome, halak started. Price sucks in edmonton but you cant say anythin about calgary cuz he has never played here with the habs.

     

  121. scrowe21 says:

    I dont think so. If you look at the trade, and cancel out the other player and draft pick Colorado gave away…I think we coulda got him for AK+Weber+a 1st. Andrei isn’t going to stay here long anyways, would have been nice to replace him with the best young power forward in the game.

    PG is going to make an equally dumb trade for someone way less than Stewart.

  122. Mark C says:

    Erik Johnson has way more value than AK, Weber, and a 1st.

  123. jimmy shaker says:

    yep…..not a good feeling on this one at all……cammy, gill and wiZ probably all coming back too early, price not having a good record out west, calgary for the most part on a roll………..so i’m taking calgary on proline.

     

    Shaker

  124. Matt_in_TO says:

    You should a professional cheerleader

     

    - In Price We Trust

  125. Timo says:

    I love all the hype around the game… Watch for the Habs to completely blow it tomorrow.


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