Chelios becomes 45th Habs player enshrined in Hall of Fame


Canadiens defenceman Chris Chelios leans on Philadelphia Flyers goalie Ron Hextall in 1987 Montreal Forum action.
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Superstar defenceman Chris Chelios on Tuesday joined fellow rearguard Scott Niedermayer and forward Brendan Shanahan in the Hockey Hall of Fame’s Class of 2013.

Chelios began his career in Montreal in 1983-84 at the age of 24 and was a member of the 1986 Stanley Cup champions. He would win two more Cups, with Detroit, and finally retire as a member of the Atlanta Thrashers at the age of 48 in 2009-10, having played 1,651 regular-season games.

The native of Chicago also joined late Philadelphia Flyers coach Fred Shero, a builder, and women’s pioneer Geraldine Heaney in this year’s group of inductees, who will be enshrined in November.

Chelios is the 45th Canadiens player to be inducted into the Hall, the first since Patrick Roy and Dick Duff were called in 2006. The Habs also have 10 builders in hockey’s temple.

Here’s a feature I wrote on then-Red Wing Chelios in 2008.

Below, courtesy of the Canadiens 2012-13 media guide, is a look at the Canadiens who have received hockey’s highest honour:




  1. secretdragonfly says:

    Scary stuff – lots of whackos out there.

  2. Haborama says:

    I would take these rumors as a sign that MB is looking to trade one of our top six forwards, likely DD or Gio.

    I love Gio, but DD has to go. Move Briere to his spot and sign Morrow. It would be good enough to keep the team competitive until the prospects emerge.

    • The_Truth says:

      Gio is untradeable right now with his injury and contract. DD isn’t going anywhere, since he just signed a new contract and management believes he has a lot of upside. He has more points than anyone else on this team, in the last year and a half, outside of Patches.

      • Haborama says:

        Moen then? Everyone says that MB wants to add another top 9 forward. To do so, he would need to move someone.

        • Forum Dog says:

          Plekanec for Edler. Sign Morrow.

          • Cal says:

            Gorges for Edler.
            Pleks for a pick.
            Moen for a song.

            EDIT- @ Luke: Mr. Bo Jangles- there is tap dancing in it.

          • Luke says:

            Which song?

            The rights to ‘Happy Birthday’ would be pretty good return.

        • The_Truth says:

          Yes, Moen would be great to move in place of Morrow or Jagr. 3 more years at 1.85 million though. I don’t know if there would be any takers.

          Canucks would never take Gorges (5 more years at 4mil is crazy) for Edler and moving Pleks for anything less than an eqivalent return would be disasterous for the Habs. He was argueably our most valuable player outside of Subban last year.

          • Cal says:

            Consider the Habs’ chances to actually be good the next couple seasons, it’s time to move Pleks now and probably Markov come trade deadline day. Those two can help a contender get over the hump and the Habs return would make moving them worthwhile. No point in spinning Pleks’ wheels any longer. Same with Markov.

          • The_Truth says:

            It all depends on the return. Those two guys are very valuable to this team and would leave huge holes, especially on specialty teams. You can’t just trade a 20 min center and 24 min defenceman, with their kind of skills, for picks. Both huge parts of the first wave PP and PK.

            If you do, this team will miss the playoffs for sure.

          • Forum Dog says:

            I’d be very surprised if Markov was still with the Habs by end of next season. I love Pleks as a player but, between him and Desharnais, he is probably the most valuable trade commodity. You might actually get a return for him, whereas you pretty much get recycled junk or mid-round pick for DD.

            I also think that he might be replaceable from within. Not saying that anyone will be as good as him at what he does, but some extra scoring from Briere and some good PK work by the likes of Prust and Gio might off-set what you lose. Plus, if he actually brought a decent return, you would be adding whatever that skill set is.

            Like you say though Truth, it would depend on what you got back. Personally I think that a player similar to Edler would be a good return, especially given the current d-corps, but you wouldn’t want anything less than that.

  3. Propwash says:

    Dumont signed on a two way deal.


  4. Sportfan says:

    What are the rumors about the Habs and a forward now lol? Are they trying to trade?

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    • Habilis says:

      Only rumors I’ve seen lately is that we’re out on Jagr and we’re still in on Morrow. And no, I’m not just talking about Eklund. That same info has been creeping across twitter as well, which is probably Eklund’s “sources” anyhow. Someone from RDS tweeted yesterday that Morrow’s agent and MB had “good discussions”. Take what you will from that I guess.

  5. Forum Dog says:

    Loved Chelios when he played for the Habs, and am glad to see him get inducted. Well deserved. The guy was an outstanding and well-rounded d-man with a Gordie Howe-type passion for the game, not to mention a real character who loved the media and fans. I’ll never forget laughing my ass off when he thanked the “Irish Mafia” after winning his last Cup with Detroit. Hilarious…

    I see a lot of people lamenting his trade to Chicago – 23 years after the fact. While I get that Savard only played a few seasons in Montreal, and was past his prime when he did, Montreal won it all in 1993 and Savard was and effective player and an important leader for them.

    It was too bad seeing Chelly go, but Savard was welcomed like a conquering hero at the time and I don’t think anyone can say that it was a lop-sided trade. They gave up an elite veteran d-man for an elite veteran centre and both teams profited. Not bad, especially if you believe the rumoured “circumstances” of the trade.

  6. Timo says:

    Habs are only $4 M under cap and still a crappy team, especially on D.

  7. Say Ash says:

    “YOU MIGHT ALSO LIKE Gill re-signs with Habs”

    gave me a brief chest pain

  8. Mavid says:

    is the schedule out? Where would I find it

    • donmarco says:

      Pre season only. Scroll down, someone already listed the schedule.

      • von says:

        They’re waiting to release it once there is a decision/agreement about Sochi 2014.


        “Obviously it would be great, but they don’t really hang conference titles in this rink. They raise Stanley Cup banners.” – Carey Price

  9. von says:

    The Canadiens probably would have won a couple more Cups if it wasn’t for some of their bonehead, knee-jerk reactions to incidents involving superstar and future HOF players (Chelios, Roy).

    Imagine if they had sat them down and let things cool off… The 90’s probably wouldn’t have been so bleak. Instead, they had to show them who’s boss and traded them away for nothing.

    Well, they both had the last laugh in the end.

    “Obviously it would be great, but they don’t really hang conference titles in this rink. They raise Stanley Cup banners.” – Carey Price

  10. commandant says:

    If the rumors are true and the Habs are looking for another forward, considering the state of our top 9 right now, is this an indication that Gionta won’t be ready to start the season?

    Go Habs Go!
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  11. veryhabby says:

    AS for signing more free agents, and us being the “savior” for all these teams in cap space problems, please note a little something that is pretty important to note.


    We still have to sign White. That then brings us to the 23 limit. If anything, teams should be calling us offering to be our “savior” and taking some players off our hands so that we have cap space.

    Actually, if you look carefully, majority of teams are at about the same cap situation as us. That they too if they sign one more person, they will be right up to the cap. And remember, teams need a few $M going into the season so that if there are call ups or if we want to improve the team through a trade, that we have space. Even the Leafs who are lauded for having so much cap space, they have 5 more players to sign with $10M space, so you do the math of their cap going into the season)

    Unless we DUMP a player…so not DD for a stud on another team…I do not see any other UFA signed. Our roster is pretty much the same as last year with Briere taking Ryder’s spot. Let’s hope the kids move up to the next level, Price rebounds from last few weeks of season (as he did fine first part), and we have no long term injuries to any of our key players. This is the only way we will see the playoffs.

    Only option for roster changes will be a straight trade…for same salary in return or a AHL kid makes the team. This is why I have to believe MB really is looking at trades. Not to save another team from their cap woes, but to keep $ at same place but with a new face.

  12. Haborama says:

    The Chelios deal was horrid, no matter how you look at it. Sure, he was kind of a putz, but he would grow up eventually (not with the Habs unfortunately). He was a world-class defender, probably the best in the NHL at the time of the trade.

    That we won the cup with Savard makes no difference. We won in 1993 IN SPITE of Savard, not because of him.

    The modern day equivalent of that trade would be us trading PK at the peak of his career to Philly for a 33 year old, injury prone, washed up Giroux.

    • Luke says:

      You can’t really say that the Cup was won in spite of Savard.

      You should really look at it this way:

      A great deal of events occured that, all told, led to the Habs winning the Cup in ’93. One of those events was the trading of Chelios for Savard.

      We know that this trade occured and that the Cup was won.
      We do not know if the Cup would have been won without Savard or with Chelios.
      Perhaps Chelios would have had a few Seguin-esque mid-Cup benders that limited his ability to play effectively against Gretzky.

      I’ll take the loss of Chelios + the Cup.

      In your scenario: If you traded Peak PK to Philly for Giroux, and won the cup. Is it a good deal?

      • commandant says:

        Scenario: Chelios might have been on the PP instead of Desjardins… Chelios doesn’t score a hattrick, Habs lose game 2, and down 2-0 in the series never recover.

        That said, we still lost the trade at the end of the day… we might have won 2 cups with Chelios… never know.

        It just goes to show that in building a team, not every trade will be a winner, not every signing work out, but if you do more good than bad, you come out ahead.

        Go Habs Go!
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  13. HabFanSince72 says:

    We all love a good rant, right?

    Check out the poster ‘not norm ullman’ teeing off on Don Cherry:


  14. krob1000 says:

    Also, Guy has revealed that his son-in-law Brenden Morrow has interest in playing for the Canadiens:

    From some “bloggng Carbo” site…
    (Translated from French) “He did not veto playing for the Canadiens. There have been many movements in recent days. There are teams that are interested in his services, there are others that are less so, but there are teams who were surprised to see the interest Brenden has for them. I really think the Canadiens were surprised that he was open to the idea of ​​playing in Montreal. Now, only time will tell if they are interested or not.”

  15. gumper says:

    Remember when Chelios was arrested for indecent exposure (public urination)? Kinda added a little colour to his character. (Who amongst us hasn’t gotten caught a bit short after a night at the bar?) I’m hoping MB will see Beaulieu’s tussle in the same light. After all, we’re looking for hard-nosed hockey players, not alter boys. Count me amongst those who would prefer to hang onto this player, rather than offering him up in some deal that will help us in the short term.

    The rule is perfect: in all matters of opinion our adversaries are insane.
    Mark Twain

  16. Phil C says:

    Looking at the Habs HHOF builders category above, it is pretty obvious where the torch was dropped. From Gorman to Selke to Pollock to Bowman. By refusing to let Bowman take over as GM 1978, the winning tradition and expertise was taken elsewhere. Savard did well for someone without the priviledge of an apprenticeship under someone like Pollock, but the 20 years of futility since 1993 suggest the torch was dropped, especially when you consider Scottie’s success in Detroit and Chicago since then.

    My only solace is that Bergevin seems to be committed to building from the ground up like in the old winning tradition of having a very strong propect pool. Of course it will take 5 years to find out if he can do it or not.

    • Cal says:

      Scotty did nothing as a GM. His years in Buffalo tell that tale. As a GM, Bowman is the greatest head coach all time.
      Since the Oilers dynasty (interrupted by a Hab win!) there haven’t been many clubs to even approach being considered in the same light. Saying that, kudos to the Red Wings and Devils for coming closest.
      The road from pretender to contender will be long. Stop gap measures (like Briere and Lecavalier and Morrow) should be avoided to give the team’s youth (the Habs’ future) time with the big club. The pain of losing (like we’re not used to it already) a lot will be repaid with high end picks.
      When Fucale is ready, the Habs will contend again. (Ducks away from PriceBots)

      • Phil C says:

        Scottie had to try to build Buffalo from scratch which takes time. Even Selke didn’t win anything for the first 7 years. It is pure speculation, but I wonder how Scottie would have done taking over from Pollock and inheriting that team, including the 1st overall draft pick in 1980. I know impossible to answer either way.

        After Chicago won the Cup this year, he said one of the keys was getting Oduya and Roszival because it gave them a mobile defense capable of moving this puck well. They would be considered smurfs around here. It just gave me the impression that Scottie understands how to build a winning team, how to add the missing pieces.

        • Thurston says:

          I have to re-read his book to be certain, but I believe Jean Beliveau panned the idea of Bowman as Habs’ GM.
          He recalled Bowman being very reactionary and going into Pollock’s office demanding action on players regularly.

        • wjc says:

          It helped to miss the playoffs 6 years in a row to get high draft picks.

          The system changed, Chicago probably won’t win next year. The reality is Stanley is up for grabs by different teams each year.


    • wjc says:

      The system changed.


    • wjc says:

      5 years my ass.


  17. habs001 says:

    Maybe i am wrong but it seems Clarkson played very well vs the Habs and scored goals also…

  18. 24 Cups says:

    Strictly a point of information but the other free agent forwards left besides Jagr/Morrow are Brunner, Raymond and Cleary.

    The only decent Dman left is Zidlicky who has a player profile we really don’t need.

  19. BELIEVE IT OR NOT says:

    One Guy didn’t think DD should be on the on the 4th line to Give Galchenyuk a chance at center on the 2nd line and other people want him gone. Can’t believe it. WOW what a fan base Habs have.

  20. DLN-CH4Life says:

    People need to calm down on the DD moving.
    Look I don’t think he fits on this team either, but you have to see that he’s scheduled to be be here long after Both Gionta AND Brieres contracts are up.
    I think we’re forgetting the awesome chemistry Patch and DD created over the last few years, not to mention he’s only 26!
    We need someone to embody the cole from two years ago, so that we can get that COle-DD-Patch line resurrected. All we did was loose one piece of that, and the weaker piece in my opinion. (THAT WAS OUR FIRST LINE….in our worst year lol)

    If MB has no plans of resigning Gionta, then trade him for a pick or prospect b4 the trade deadline.
    Giving us then

    Eller -Plec- Briere
    Patch-DD- Bourque
    Morrow -Chuky- Ghaly
    Prust- Leblanc -Parros


    Knowing MT he will also switch up lines DURING the game to throw the other team off.

    in D It’s a whole other problem. We need someone to take minutes off Boullion that’s big and ready to rock bodies.


    (boullion, Drewiskie)

    Take note that Next year is a contract year for Markov, Subban, Diaz, emelin, bouillon.)


    • Habfan17 says:

      Sorry, I can’t agree with having Eller on the wing, that ship has sailed and the experiment did not work. Why does DD keep getting to play at his natural position and Eller does not? Eller was better at Centre last season than DD and I would hazard a guess, he would do even better given the line mates and ice time that DD gets.


      • Bob_Sacamano says:

        Completely agree. Putting Eller on the wing because DD is still here would be a crime. I also think this chemistry between Pacioretty and DD is a myth. Max would easily do as well with Plekanec or Eller. On the other hand we have the third HC in a row who doesn´t think DD can do a job with average wingers.

        • Habfan17 says:

          Thanks for the support! I don’t believe that DD would be successful with average wingers either. Nothing against DD personally, I just think the Habs are the wrong fit for him


          • The_Truth says:

            I think DD deserves another season, so we can know exactly who he is. He had a great year 2 seasons ago and wasn’t as bad as people say last year. What did he have, 2 points less than Eller and more goals? Eller brings a better defensive skillset to the table, but I would hardly say he was much better offensively than DD.

            DD should start the year with Patches and get a shot at returning to his 2011-2012 form before we cast him out.

  21. Luke says:

    St Louis has 9.1 million in cap space and need to sign Pietrangelo and C Stewart.

    Oh, how I wish we could poach one of those two. Or both.

    • Ozmodiar says:

      I think the current payroll includes 2 or 3 youngsters who won’t make the team. Also, they’ll have to get rid of a goalie.

      • donmarco says:

        With Thomas and Bryz still unsigned there’s really no market for any of their goalies in a trade. Why give up an asset when you could sign either of them to a short term contract?

      • The_Truth says:

        The Blues just have to trade Halak or Elliot, preferably Halak who needs a fresh start, and they will be fine.

        • donmarco says:

          Trade them where? Not many teams n the market for goalies right now.

          • The_Truth says:

            Edmonton, Calgary, Vancouver, Florida, Islanders. Buffalo not now, but if they can’t get a deal done with Miller, to name a few. I think Fleury is finished and Halak could be a consideration in Pitt. They certainly remember what he is capable of.

            I personally would like the fit for Halak on Long Island. Nabokov is just about done and they have cap space. Good up and coming team as well. Halak’s stock isn’t too high right now. It wouldn’t take too much too get him.

    • donmarco says:

      Signing Derek Roy was a short sighted mistake, even for 1 year. Could cost them Perron or Oshie. That was not a smart signing.

    • bwoar says:

      I doubt they can get them both under contract with that amount of space. Either could reasonably ask for 5M (Pietrangelo much moreso in my book) so they’re essentially hoping that both take less than market value.

      Stewart just played a bridge year at 3M, in his shoes I’d be firm on 4.75M knowing an offer sheet of 5.5M is not out of the question.

      Pietrangelo, OTOH, is coming off his ELC and made almost 3.2M with bonuses. If he can be convinced to sign a sweet RFA deal at 4.25M for a year or two, I think STL has a good chance at retaining both guys.

      If ever there’s a time and place, I’d be sending out an offer for AP, are threatening to, and dangling Beaulieu ++ for him to their GM.


  22. donmarco says:

    Rangers sign Hagelin. They’re one away from their roster limit, with only 4 million to spend, and 3 quality RFA’s unsigned. They are so exposed to a qualifying offer if any GM has the gonads to do it. I just don’t understand how Glen Sather has a job. If I was MB I’d be circling them like a vulture.

    • Luke says:

      The RFA’s are Stepan, Zuccarello & Falk…

      • donmarco says:

        Sorry, should have noted them, thanks for doing that. I can’t see signing all 3 for less than 4 million, and they’d be 2 players over their roster limit even if they did. Sather has to move some bodies.

    • bwoar says:

      It’s accepted wisdom that you don’t use offer sheets against teams with deep pockets like the Rangers. Much like you don’t step on Superman’s cape, or spit into the wind. You don’t pull the mask off that old Lone Ranger, and you don’t mess around with… people who own pig farms. Never rub another man’s rhubarb!


  23. youngwun says:

    Why is everyone thinking were gonna get morrow? It’s not happening people!

  24. Dr.Rex says:

    I think its safe to say if Morrow joins the Habs then Moen’s days as a Hab are numbered.

  25. Ozmodiar says:

    Is DD still a Hab?

  26. habsfan0 says:

    Is there any updated status on how Carey Price is recuperating from his injury and when he can resume offseason training?(aside from participating in rodeos,of course).

    I don’t believe he’s commented on his new goalie coach as well.

    • Luke says:

      If he hasn’t, it’ll be this:

      “Looking forward to working with Mr. Waite. Hoping he can help me get my game to the next level and to compete for the Cup.”

      • BELIEVE IT OR NOT says:

        Wonder who’s doing their shopping

        • Luke says:

          Y’know a quick google search will find Carey a number of personal shoppers and grocery strores that provide delivery services.

          (Truthfully, I’m a bit surprised the team doesn’t have a “meals by delivery service” option. What with all the care about nutrition and stuff. I think it’s part of the Gary Roberts programme).

          • wjc says:

            Missing the point on purpose….Luke. Tell me you are kidding

            The grocery thing is just an example of the fish bowl he finds himself in. Can’t breathe, being ridiculed, watched, dissected, attacked, whipping boy, scape goat. Can’t do anything….get it! Can’t do anything without cell phone camera’s, social media, regular media, autograph seekers, wanting a little piece of you.


          • Luke says:

            I’m not kidding:

            1) A quick google search finds plenty of Grocery stores that deliver and plenty of personal shoppers.
            2) I’m shocked that teams don’t offer this as an option to their players (esp. young single dudes) as part of the nutrition programme.
            3) I was mostly goofing around… I know he wasn’t talking specifically about grocery shopping. He was talking about the guys who b*tch about him allowing 2 posts in shutout win.

    • secretdragonfly says:

      I’m sure he’s very busy preparing for his upcoming nuptials.
      Just in case anyone wants to buy the newlyweds a gift –

  27. NDO33 says:

    Thought we only wanted DD’s contract off the books???

  28. NDO33 says:

    What if we offered DD to CAL for Stajan?
    He ain’t the greatest faceoff guy but could help defensively and on the PK

    • donmarco says:

      With Stajan you know what you get, and I wouldn’t be interested. This is make or break for DD and there’s still some upside to him. Since few here, myself included, think this is anCup contending team, better to see what DD brings, and it’s not like Stajan would do much to improve our chances.

  29. Mick says:

    We have room for Morrow?
    Who is leaving?

    • The Jackal says:

      Good question, who can we move?

      DD, Pleks, Beaulieu, Gorges, Markov(?), Moen?

      That sounds like the list of who can be moved in a trade as far as roster players or in Beaulieu’s case top prospects.

      I was hoping 1992’s trade would be real and we could get Coburn and Simmonds

      Hockey sine stercore tauri.

      • Mick says:

        Pleks has a no movement clause?
        We would be toast if we lose Pleks. I agree with all your other choices.
        If a team would take DD then the Habs are in a much better place going forward.

        • donmarco says:

          Why is everyone so quick to write off Beaulieu? He’s mentioned in every trade scenario brought up. Haven’t we learned a terrible lesson in moving undeveloped defensemen? McDonaugh not ringing any bells? I’d love to see what this kid can do once he’s developed further (and grows up a little with his off ice behaviour).

          • Luke says:

            Two reasons:

            1) You’ve got to give something to get something. But that’s not really it…
            2) He has a blemish on his record. “Everyone” only wants uber-dedicated, ultra-pristine players on the roster.

          • The Jackal says:

            I’m not writing him off, and I am just speculating, but from his legal charges, MB may think that his behaviour may not reflect character and maturity, and our D prospect pool is still deep without him. He is one of our top prospects and I think he is the one we can afford to move.

            Hockey sine stercore tauri.

      • The_Truth says:

        It would be great to move Moen and add Morrow or Jagr. A definite upgrade with either one.

  30. Curtis O Habs says:

    I am hoping Chelios entered the hall as an Atlanta Thrasher!

  31. Sportfan says:

    If Serge Savard wasn’t in the Hall as a player (which would be wrong) would you put him in as a builder?

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  32. Timo says:

    Where is Yammy Yagah? I want Yammy Yagah!!!

  33. habstrinifan says:

    Ed: “let’s face it, no one knew Chelios was going to end up playing 1651 NHL games – from 1983 to 2009.”
    Kind of a diversionary question to ask really… the more appropriate question qould be
    “let’s face it, no one knew Chelios was going to end up being an elite NHL D-MAN!”
    … and the answer is YES.. everyone knew. Chelios was a much hyped graduate from US system.. and he responded in full from game 1.

    • Ed says:

      there were 3 different careers all rolled up in 1 player.
      he was outstanding for us – but only for 6 seasons.
      the 9 seasons with the Hawks made him a huge star.
      the 9 extra seasons for Detroit, made him super human.

    • kalevine says:

      I’ll NEVER forget that he scored the first goal in a most unlikely 3 game sweep of the Bruins in 1984, announced by Danny Gallivan…”Now here’s Chelios closing in for the shot….he scores!” It was the beginning of the Habs resurgence that ended with their 1994 elimination by those same Bruins

  34. donmarco says:

    I’m sure this has been covered, since everyone here is faster off the mark than I am, but McCarron has agreed to play for the London Knights. Not sure if he made the right decision in the long run, as the skills he needs to work on would have been better addressed in Michigan. I fear the only reason he picked the Knights was so he could fight. Thoughts?

    • krob1000 says:

      Not sure I can see how it is better for his “needs” to play in Michigan. The Hunter brothers have qutie the track record, teh OHL produces more top end talent than any other organization and LOndon is hosting the Memorial CUp so he will get to play against he top 3 teams in the country. He wants to fight and knows that any combo of him being a serviceable player and capable of droppig the mitts will ensusre him a career in Montreal. If he were a fringe prospect I was say take the school route but given the likelihood he makes a career out of hockey is pretty high I think it very wise to go the OHL route.
      I can’t see how this decision is anything but good news for both he and the organziation.

      • donmarco says:

        By his own admission his weaknesses are skating and “quickness”, in other words hockey skills. I hope a first round draft pick aspires to being more than a fighter, and Andy Murray has an excellent reputation for developing hockey players. I was hoping he’d opt to play there for a year or 2. I think the Knights may put him on a faster track to the NHL, but I’m not sure he should be fast tracked. Just my opinion, though.

        • krob1000 says:

          HOw is it that he cannot work on speed and quickness in the OHL? Fightingis a single aspect of his game that he wants to ensure is up to par…because he knows if he can fight and is serviceable at minimum he is an NHLEr for a long time…if he can do more…he will have a 30-50 million dollar career. The OHL produces far more of every type of hockey player than any NCAA team or the entire loop for that matter. You also run the risk of players overstaying th4eir welcome in COllege hockey which I think happens qutie a bit…they stay until theya re 22, 23 years old and many never catch back up. The swindow to make a lot of money in hockey is fairly small….he can always go back to school….this is not the approach I would take with a fringe guy but an NHL career is his to lose at this point. I think he is thinking about the shortest possible route.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      I was kind of leaning towards college too, since a lot of enforcers went the college route anyway, you don’t need to learn how to fight as much as you need to be big and strong. In a vacuum, the college route seemed to be the hypothetical better route, but in actuality, both options were good choices. As much as I despise Dale Hunter, the Knights are a good organization, the Canadiens have good relations with them from the Jarred Tinordi days, Martin Lapointe will keep an eye on things, so it should work out in the end.

      • donmarco says:

        As you say, there are pro’s and con’s to either option. And while Dale Hunter was by far my most despised Nordique, his decision to leave the Caps and return to the OHL begrudgingly earned my respect. Either option will leave McCarron in very good hands. Needless to say I will be paying particular attention to the London Knights this year.

      • Mike D says:

        Plus I can go see him play a few times and provide some insight on what I see.

        Not that my insight is worth much, but hey, better than nothing.

        – Honestly yours
        Twitter: @de_benny
        The CH stands for CHaracter…(apparently)

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          Strictly speaking, is that a contradiction? If your insight isn’t worth anything, how can it be better than nothing?

          • Mike D says:

            Edited the post. Now YOU look silly 😛

            CHeers UCE

            – Honestly yours
            Twitter: @de_benny
            The CH stands for CHaracter…(apparently)

    • boing007 says:

      Ask him.

      Richard R

  35. christophor says:

    I don’t want to panic until we get the Chelios for Savard trade CONFIRMED

  36. Maritime Ron says:

    Preseason Schedule:
    The good news is that there is 1 less game than the craziness of 2011 when the last preseason game was played October 1.

    SEPT. 15, 2013 Sabres Canadiens 7:00 BELL CENTRE
    SEPT. 16, 2013 BRUINS Canadiens 7:00pM BELL CENTRE
    SEPT. 20, 2013 Canadiens HURRICANES 7:30PM QUEBEC CITY
    SEPT. 25, 2013 Canadiens SÉNATEURS 7:30PM Ottawa
    SEPT. 26, 2013 sénateurs CANADIENS 7:30PM BELL CENTRE

    Here’s hoping that MT starts the Boston Game at Home, AND the Ottawa game on the road with:
    Tinordi-(doesn’t matter)

    While being totally against the “Staged Fight,” there is absolutely no problem with the “Spontaneous-Crossed The Line” fight or the “Send a Message” fight.

    That will send the message that we will not be bullied around either at home or on the road this year…and from the get go, our smaller skilled players will be feeling better…and bigger.

  37. BELIEVE IT OR NOT says:

    Right now if there are no trades I’m Guessing the Habs lineup would look kinda like this:

    Pacioretty Plekanec Briere
    Bourque Galchenyuk Gallagher
    Prust Eller Gionta
    Moen Desharnais Parros

    Galchenyuk and Eller has to play at center if they’re gonna be our future. DD is on the trade block every day the way some fans want it. Might as well put him on the 4th line with protection he could help the other two put up a few points.

    • mrhabby says:

      habs would get run over against some of the more bigger , faster teams. has to be movement on the trade front during the summer.

    • junyab says:

      Chucky won’t be center this year. And DD can’t be paid $3.5mill on the 4th line.


      Will be our centers until Chucky can handle the responsibility. There’s no need to rush him.

    • The Juice says:

      I prefer:



      “To you from failing hands we throw the torch, be yours to hold it high!”

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      That’s your wishful thinking, but not realistic that David Desharnais would be on the fourth line in favour of Alex Galchenyuk playing centre on the second line. There is no chance it works out that way. The team would be stronger with the young man on the wing, David Desharnais playing centre with Max and given a chance to recapture the magic, and another player like Ryan White centreing the fourth line.

    • Ozmodiar says:

      DD on the 4th line??

      oh, man…

      …needs tweaking. A lot of tweaking.

  38. donmarco says:

    Curious to know what people think about Detroit joining the division next season. Ottawa, Toronto and, to a degree, with Parros, the Habs have all beefed up their rosters in what will probably be the toughest division of the 4, and yet Detroit bucks that trend with Alfredsson and Weiss being their marquee additions. No doubt they’ve added skill, but will they be tough enough?

    • mrhabby says:

      makes competition for playoff spot all that much harder if you ask me.

      ps..have the habs really beefed up. aside from Parros its still the same team from last year exclude Briere.

      • donmarco says:

        I did note “to a degree”, but he’s no Bobby Ryan or David Clarkson (not that I’m buying into the hype coming fromToronto, they over termed in both Clarkson and Bozaks contract IMO). Best I can hope for from Parros is that he makes the rest of the team play bigger. But this will be a long and hard battle this year, for any of the teams in this division.

        • mrhabby says:

          i live in TO and most of the time try not to get into the hype machine. Leafs believe they have window thats opening for them hence the signings. i don’t think they care about the length of clarkson signing. if they get 3-4 years of his best years then it will be worth it.

          • donmarco says:

            They signed him in his prime thats for sure. And I am reluctant to bash the Leafs as it is just too common here. Nonis is building the team Burke kind of dreamed of and he’s made some decent moves. Still a juicy contract for average numbers, though. Time will tell.

  39. JUST ME says:

    I`ve never been the type to regret a trade. Not the kind to look behind and wonder what if…Even when Chelios was traded at the time we were very happy to get such a great player in exchange in Denis Savard even though we knew his better days were behind him. We were willing to take what was left.
    Chelios was a wild an untamable guy on and off the ice. Still i think we knew we gave away much more than what we got in exchange.

    Strange coincidence that Chelios gets to enter the HHOF now cause with the habs we have for the first time since he wore the jersey a player that is as goos as he was. P.K. really reminds me of him. Talents,style,personnality and a certain je ne sais quoi that makes him one of a kind.

    • HabsFanInTampa says:

      “Even when Chelios was traded at the time we were very happy to get such a great player in exchange in Denis Savard even though we knew his better days were behind him. We were willing to take what was left.” WTF are you talking about? The only people that were “very happy” was the PQ party and the French press.

  40. habs001 says:

    I just hope the coaching staff makes the pk a priority…looks like mostly the same players will have to get the job done that could not do it last year…hopefully one of the Habs centres elevates their faceoff winning ability so they dont lose so many draws at the start of the pp or pk…

    • neumann103 says:

      The coaching staff needs to make changing their insane penalty killing scheme a priority.

      The players were fine. It was actually a slightly better group of personnel than the year before (adding Prust, Armstrong) and that previous group had a great (#2 overall in the NHL on a #28 in the NHL team).

      “Et le but!”

  41. Ed says:

    no matter how you feel about guns, no one should be issued a license to carry a concealed weapon – even the police – unless it is required for them to do their job properly.

    come on!

    Neighborhood watch security (off duty) carrying a concealed weapon legally??

    If Zimmerman doesn’t have that gun on him he never gets out of his car.

    Sorry, I had to post that.

    Carry on.

  42. jimmy shaker says:

    Who is the other guy in that picture besides hextall and chelios? And big hal gill just resigned again! Wow!


  43. Un Canadien errant says:

    I’ve told this story before, but when the Chris Chelios trade was made, I was working security at the Jazz Festival. The funny thing is, one of my supervisors was André Savard, Denis’ cousin. He’s not the André Savard you’re thinking of, this one played Junior A hockey but never got any farther, although he had the size for it, he looked like a hockey player, a big dude. Anyway, I think it was early in the morning, we were all at our posts but there was no activity yet, no shows going on, just a few people walking around, going to work, doing the Walk of Shame, etc.

    Anyway, Christian, the big boss and owner of the security company that provided services to all the Festivals and a few concert venues (I’m telling you, this was a great job) came on the air and told everyone over our radios that the trade had been made, and gave us the particulars. And there was a silence. Me and the couple of guys I was stationed with kind of looked at each other, and I could tell we all had a bad feeling about this. Then a lone, forever unidentified voice crackled over the air and said: “Savard yé trop vieux!”, and everyone laughed so hard we could hear the other guys whooping on the other stations and street corners. We all knew the guy was taking a dig at André, calling him too old, but also stating what we all felt, that Denis was kind of past his prime. And the worker bees, we were all young, and we’d all come across Chris Chelios at the Peel Pub or on Crescent Street, so we knew about the partying and the rumours, but we all thought we’d regret this. Even if we didn’t go into details about it when André was around, because he was really happy and really proud his cousin was coming home to Montréal.

    So yeah, I didn’t like that trade right off the bat, but I tried to see how it could work out, if best-case scenarios went our way. This wasn’t the immediate kick in the gut of the Patrick Roy trade, the Rod Langway trade, or the Tomas Kaberle trade, but if I could have waved my magic wand I would have undone that deal.

    • 24 Cups says:

      There is no denying that the trade was lopsided but we still have to acknowledge that the team won the Cup. Winning a Cup in any individual year justifies almost any move. Even the Dallas trading of Iginla can be justified in my mind by the fact that the Stars won the Cup. Iginla went on to be a star in Calgary but it had on impact on their Cup hopes.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Yeah, but hold on. A team can win a Stanley Cup despite a boneheaded trade hampering its efforts. Also, the Canadiens had just gone to the Finals in 1989, and this was the summer of 1990, so we were starting with a good team. Further, it took three seasons to win another Cup, so it’s not like the trade precipitated a Cup win.

        The fact that a team can win a championship eventually shouldn’t be a justification for every mistake they made. A mistake is a mistake. Some are understandable, some are more egregious, but they’re all detours on the way to success.

        Anyway, there’s lots of butterfly effects, it’s hard to tease apart what caused what, but if I’d had the choice at the time, and even now, knowing that three years later the Canadiens will win another Cup without Chris Chelios, I would have reversed that trade. And that’s knowing what I learned after finishing the Pat Burns biography a couple of days ago.

    • H.Upmann says:

      LMAO Savard yé trop vieux hahahaa thats great!

  44. habsfan0 says:

    When baseball players are enshrined into the BBHOF,their plaque is adorned with a baseball cap chosen by the Hall. In Andre Dawson and Gary Carter’s cases, they are wearing Expo caps because of the Hall’s intervention,otherwise they would have worn Chicago Cubs & New York Mets caps respectively. When a retired hockey player is admitted to the HHOF,their plaque does not show any team’s sweater,as it is a facial likeness only. It would be nice if these plaques could show a sweater as well,in some small way,a sweater chosen by the player.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Didn’t Gary Carter try to have a half Expos-half Met cap at some point, giving the reasonable explanation that while most of his career was with the Expos, his highlight was winning the Series with the Mets in ’86 (Game 6, Bill Buckner, Mookie…)?

      • habsfan0 says:

        No, I believe Carter definitely wanted to be enshrined as a Met.

        When and if Pedro Martinez & Tim Raines are elected,there is no doubt in my mind,given their OWN choice to make,they would BOTH go in happily as an Expo.

        • Ed says:

          Pedro is working for the Red Sox this season. Not sure anyone wants to be “enshrined” as a member of a team that no longer exists.

          Breaks my heart. I am a huge Expos fan.

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          As Warner Wolf used to say: “Let’s go to the videotape!”

          Or, in this case, Wikipedia:

          In his sixth year on the ballot, Gary Carter was elected to the Baseball Hall of Fame along with Eddie Murray on January 7, 2003. Carter had originally expressed a preference to be inducted as an Expo during his final season. Given the uncertainty of the Expo franchise, Carter’s employment by the Mets organization since retiring as a player, his World Series title with the Mets, and his media celebrity during his stint in New York, following his election Carter shifted his preference to be enshrined with a Mets cap. The New York City media strongly supported Carter’s preference to go into the Hall as a Met. Carter “joked that he wanted his Cooperstown cap to be a half-and-halfer, split between the Expos and Mets”.[19] The final decision rested with the Hall of Fame, and Hall president Dale Petroskey declared that Carter’s achievements with the Expos over twelve season had earned his induction, whereas his five seasons with the Mets by itself would not have, saying “we want to have represented on the plaque the team that best represents where a player made the biggest impact in his career. When you look at it, it’s very clear. Gary Carter is an important part of the history of the Expos”. Tom Seaver so far remains the only player inducted into Cooperstown as a Met.[20] At the induction ceremony, Carter spoke a few words of French, thanking fans in Montreal for the great honor and pleasure of playing in that city, while also taking great care to note the Mets’ 1986 championship as the highlight of his career.

  45. donmarco says:

    Being mentioned as a possible destination for Morrow or Jagr is fine, but would appreciate any input from anyone here on what MB can do to create room on the roster for either of them. There are currently 22 signed players on the NHL roster, and White will sign at some point bringing us up to the max of 23. Aside from the Gally’s and Tinordi (EL contracts) any player designated for reassignment to Hamilton would have to clear waivers. So if you’re MB what do you do to make space on the roster for either of those mentioned above. While its nice to dream, the reality is MB has relatively limited options, short of a 2 for 1 trade to create roster spots. So what does he do? I predict neither will wear a Habs jersey.

    • Maritime Ron says:

      Good points.
      If Morrow signed there are 1 of 2 guys I would have no trouble moving for draft picks.
      One is a 4th liner that went soft, and the other is a smallish Center that if still here, will be taking precious development minutes from our future #1-2 C guys Galchenyuk and Eller.
      Losing either one of those salaries would make a Morrow move attractive.

      • donmarco says:

        Thank you Ron for not actually using 2 identical letters to name one, and a faucet kingpin to describe the other. But I’m curious why anyone thinks either of these 2 are even remotely tradeable, even for a salary dump when so many other teams are also at or near their max. I just don’t see it happening, as much as I would like Morrow and am intrigued by Jagr. I predict there will be one more depth acquisition that will make us all collectively yawn. What we see on our roster today will be pretty much the team we see on opening night. I’m neither optimistic or pessimistic saying that.

        • Maritime Ron says:

          Still 7-8 teams that have +$10M…yet here’s agreeing with you. What we see now is probably what we get barring some type of multiply of major injuries during camp.

          • donmarco says:

            I know some still have the cap room, but many of them are both working with a reduced budget and won’t spend to the cap (Sens as an example) or already have 21 or 22 players signed. But since we agree, no point discussing.

    • 24 Cups says:

      Well said, donmarco.

      Right now, the Habs have 12 signed forwards. Parros can’t play a regular shift so he becomes #13. That means Montreal needs to sign a 4th line centre (White who becomes #12) and a sub (14th forward).

      Montreal has 8 signed defensemen which includes Emelin, Tinordi and Drewiske. So the list drops to 7 with Emelin on the injury list. If by chance Beaulieu replaces Tinordi, then the cap hit goes up $200,000.

      The Habs still might sign a marginal player to a one year deal but I think that’s about it. If they do, that player has to be either a physical Dman or a 4th liner who has the flexibility to check, play more than one position and kill penalties.

      • donmarco says:

        I don’t see Beaulieu supplanting Tinordi, but could see Pateryn sticking for an extra long cup of coffee depending on his performance at camp. Either way I am not overwhelmed by our d-corps to start the season. I guess Emelin is far more of a vital cog than I might have thought.

        • 24 Cups says:

          The Habs will be in tough to make the playoffs this year. Three things need to happen if they want to squeeze in – Price, the PK and the D all need to improve.

          • donmarco says:

            Don’t disagree with anything you ever write. Will make for some interesting posts during the season, but we’re still a ways away from being that elite team we keep trying to build.

        • mrhabby says:

          d-corps look down right scarey..very light .

          • donmarco says:

            Not doing it for me either, but I guess we have to be patient while Tinordi, Beaulieu, Pateryn, Dietz, Thrower, etc keep developing. Although I’m not hearing good things about Thrower and he might have regressed.

    • jimmy shaker says:

      Carbo directing Morrow to the habs and Svoboda directing Yagga to the habs. Will it happen? Go ahead and take them, and like below, Moen, white and DD need to move on for this to happen. Whatever happened to Carkner from Ottawa, is he with the Islanders still?


  46. adamkennelly says:

    I’d take Morrow over Jagr any day.

    • Mike D says:

      And I’d take both of them over Briere

      Just sayin… 😉

      – Honestly yours
      Twitter: @de_benny
      The CH stands for CHaracter…(apparently)

    • Un Canadien errant says:


    • coutNY says:

      Not sure, it would depend on the money… IMO If you can get Morrow for 2nd-3rd line money agitator / PK duties role for short term then, yes, seems to fit Bergervan’s “Character guy” criteria desires. Jagr is much more skilled and a strong on the puck player that fits in a top six with PP duties which I feel will probably command a higher dollar amount in the market, but knows at his age this might be his last rodeo. Two different players both have their advantages and disadvantages, so I dont think its a cut and dry decision, if it the opportunity presents itself.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        I think it always depends on the money. I see him joining for a year or two at less than $3M, and I’m in favour, but not if it’s for any more.

    • SmartDog says:

      Disagree. Jagr is bigger and puts up more points. Not to mention a future HOF.

      Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

  47. Maritime Ron says:

    Re Brendan Morrow.

    Of course there are talks going on with Morrow and at least several other teams.

    Patrick Caisse @PatrickCaisse (Quebec TV)
    Brenden Morrow’s agent told me that he had “a good discussion” with Marc Bergevin and that he’s sure he will have another one. #Habs
    So here’s how the discussion goes:

    Morrow Agent: Marc, Brandon would love to play for the Habs…for 3 years/$12M

    Bergevin: We would love Brandon to play for the Habs…for 1 year of $2.5M or 2 years of $4M.

    Morrow Agent: …But Marc, those Quebec taxes….

    Bergevin: Come on! Players are paid in US dollars and now 1 USA makes $1.06 Canadian. Maybe next year $1USD makes $1.20 Canadian.
    Call me after vacation, and go see your accountant.

  48. adamkennelly says:

    Stortini was a useless NHL fighter – all the right tools – never applied them very well.

    Tarnasky is much of the same but apparently he really improved last year play and fight-wise. Seems to have some potential – I would not be surprised to see him skate with the Habs a few games.

  49. bel33 says:

    According to today’s rules… Is that technically holding/goaltender interference by Chelios in the pic above… or just regular interference by Hextall? 😉

    Such a great pic.

  50. junyab says:

    Speculation: We haven’t signed Jagr yet because MB is in discussions with Philly for a d-man (most likely Coburn).


    • Mike D says:

      The Habs and Philly are in a similar situation cap-wise (both tight) so I’m not sure I see them as likely trade partners, despite the rumours.

      – Honestly yours
      Twitter: @de_benny
      The CH stands for CHaracter…(apparently)

      • junyab says:

        Not quite at all. Flyers are $2mill over the cap, they have to move at least 1 d-man’s salary…Habs can take on $4mill.

        Grossman, Meszaros, Schenn or Coburn will have to be moved.

  51. coutNY says:

    I am curious why the Habs if they were looking to grab a tough guy never gave Storini a chance… the guy has got to be more agile and faster than Parros, and 6 yrs younger.

    Last year he was in the system… move him up and have on the roster… if you lose him on waivers, oh well he was walking at seasons end anyhow… never seemed to be a liability from his numbers.

    • secretdragonfly says:

      Based on the comments on from Oiler fans, Stortini was more of a punchee than a puncher. I didn’t get a chance to see him in Hamilton so I can’t confirm that assessment.

      • habs1992 says:

        CONFIRMED, he could not fight.

        I support Carey Price
        “Habs Insider”

      • Chuck says:

        Great guy, wonderful sense of humour, and he can take a punch. Too bad he wasn’t better at throwing them. 🙂

        Anyone but the Sens! (Check.) And Boston (Triple check.) Oh, and the Laffs, too. (Double check.)

  52. SmartDog says:

    Not to be maudlin, but does anyone else see that picture of Chelios in a Habs uniform and think “that was the end of the Habs dynasty”?

    Then a picture of Corey and Tremblay – shudder – pops into my head… the Roy trade and the parade of bad moves that we’ve seen since….20 years of suckitude followed soon after.

    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

    • coutNY says:

      They traded him before they won their last cup. I picture Roy in a Habs Uniform and say that move was the end of the dynasty… They still had a decent Defense, not that I think moving Chelios was a good move by and stretch of the imagination.

      • SmartDog says:

        Yah, but Chelios being moved because he partied too much was to me the start of a lot of bad decisions, the hiring of Tremblay, the Roy trade soon to follow. Even if they won a cup after, it was a bit of a miracle run, and of course once Roy left, and with the same inexperienced management team at the helm…

        Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

    • Ed says:

      in retrospect, that trade sucked. true enough.

      but Savard was still expected to have a ton in the tank when we got him.

      Savard was 30 years old, he had just come off a season where he put up 80 points in only 60 games and 82 points in only 58 games the year previous.

      So 162 points in his last 118 games for Chicago prior to the trade.

      179 points as a Habs in 3 seasons. Not amazing, I agree, but we did win a Cup in 93 with Savard, although he was injured.

      Chelios took his skill and “conditioning” to a whole new level and managed to stay in the game until he was 47 years old.

      let’s face it, no one knew Chelios was going to end up playing 1651 NHL games – from 1983 to 2009.

  53. Mick says:

    Has English radio 690 been extended or are they on the way out?

  54. Jabba says:

    Saw something here yesterday that suggested the Habs signed Gill. True?

  55. Small_Town_Boy says:

    Phil C has the post of the year in regards to Price & his D.

    Well said Phil … Well Said. Spot on!

    Dat’s wha me tinks

    • Jabba says:

      Price was very shaky last year. We need a far better showing. From him going forward.

      • Chuck says:

        He was great for most of the year (led the league in wins for a big part of it) but then swooned at the tail end of the year, along with the rest of the defense. After Emelin went down and it became a free-for-all of defense pairings, things went downhill.

        Anyone but the Sens! (Check.) And Boston (Triple check.) Oh, and the Laffs, too. (Double check.)

  56. mrhabby says:

    I heard rumors that Bergevin sat down with Brendan Morrow to have a conversation. Does anybody have any further detail. My son was passing on this information.

  57. wjc says:

    Things that should be eliminated on here:

    The words “everyone’, the phrase “of course everybody agrees”.
    I can speak for myself and do not wish to lumped in with “everybody”.

    Lynch mobs usually have a leader or two and the rest are followers, they get themselves into a fenzy and as they charge down the path with their torches and ropes, the followers join in.

    People like to be on the popular side that seems to be right. After all if enough people believe it, it has to be true.

    Posters saying, there is a rumor out there, saying such and such.
    What are ‘rumors’ and why would anyone waste time talking about something that is probably made up. It is either supported by facts or it is just gossip. This stuff should never be repeated.

    People who ‘character assassinate players etc. then get all sensitive and uppity if you give them a shot back. You know cry babies.

    You got something to say to Larouque, he will be campaigning, you can get in his face, if you are tall enough and give it too him good. You could face him man to man….wouldn’t that be interesting.

    What is over is over, he mellowed out and lost interest in fighting, what is sad is he thought he could be a reasonable 4th liner. To him Lucic was just a kid and pummeling him would have given him no satisfaction. When Lucic fought Komisarek it was a fair fight instigated by Komisarek.

    Fighting what a crappy way to make a living.


  58. Mike D says:

    Anyone else a little upset that Columbus currently has the 4th highest payroll in the NHL? They’re one of the biggest money-losers and have the gall to spend as much as they have, while the profitable teams (notably the Habs, Rags, and Laffs) basically pay for them to ice a more competitive team against them.

    Tampa Bay and Dallas aren’t that far behind them either.

    F’n ridiculous.

    – Honestly yours
    Twitter: @de_benny
    The CH stands for CHaracter…(apparently)

    • JF says:

      Agreed. It’s why Canadian teams almost never win the Stanley Cup any more.

      • boing007 says:

        Twenty years and counting.

        Richard R

      • HabsFanInTampa says:

        I fail to see the connection, JF. Why do Canadian teams almost never win the cup anymore????

        • JF says:

          A bunch of reasons, but one of them is certainly that Canadian teams contribute largely to the support of small-market American teams.

        • krob1000 says:

          I try to keep this thought in the dark corners of my warped mind….but the cup winners over the last 20 years almost seem to be a dream come true for the business side of the game if you know what I mean. Southeast teams , Southwest teams, struggling US markets and Original 6 cities.
          Sports can easily be swayed with a call here, a non call there……it doesn’t take much really. I love watching baseball and despise seeing whole games be influenced by a single ball or srtrike call…it happens all the time. A pivotal inning, a situation where if the guy is ahead in the count he is going to get a good pitch, instead an early first or second strike….next thing you know he is there for the taking by any decent pitcher….strikeout… bases are loaded and 1 or 2 out…force plays,etc.
          In hockey you see an allowed or disallowed goal, a subtle hook 100 ft away that leads to a play that leads to another and voila you have a goal…the goal that turns the tide.
          Soccer, basketball, baseball, and even hockey all have haunted pasts with repsect to game fixing as do all sports….I try to believe it is all human error….but like I said sometimes those dark corners of the mind awaken and I start to think about how easily swayed things are and …..then I change subjects because I love sports and can’t bear the thought.

          • Ed says:

            if you want to see a “beautiful game” influenced by a single call, you don’t have to look farther than the penalty kick awarded in soccer.

            that’s the easiest “fix” in major team sports, for my money.

    • Thurston says:

      Gotta love Gary Bettman’s NHL and the revenue sharing formula he and his parasite allies have dreamed up. If teams in U.S. markets can’t cut it, so be it.
      However, Mr. Bettman appears to move heaven and earth to prop up his prized U.S. teams, primarily those in the south.
      It must really burn his ass that the Atlanta Thrashers are now in Winnipeg.

  59. HabsFanInTampa says:

    The first line should’ve read: Superstar defenceman Chris Chelios, whom we gave away to Chicago for a washed-up small forward afraid to battle in the corners, on Tuesday joined fellow rearguard Scott Niedermayer and forward Brendan Shanahan in the Hockey Hall of Fame’s Class of 2013.

  60. Habfan10912 says:

    Good morning. Checking in before hitting the water again. Glad our new Big Mac is headed to London. I think playing more games plus the more physical aspect of the game there will serve him well. CHeers all.

    • Strummer says:

      At this stage skill development seems more important.
      If you aren’t skilled enough to play a regular shift it doesn’t matter how tough you are- you won’t get a chance to play.

      Toughness and fighting can easily be introduced later to compliment his game.

      “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

    • Cal says:

      Have a great time, Jim!

  61. jimmy shaker says:

    What the heck happened to Markov now?
    Better go and get MAB!

    Shaker out

    • Strummer says:

      MAB?- I see Chelios is a UFA

      “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

      • habs11s says:

        He’d look good playing with Scott Niedermayer as his D partner…


        “How would you like a job where when you made a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?” -Jacques Plante

    • boing007 says:

      Too late, I think MAB was signed by the Hurricanes.

      Richard R

  62. habstrinifan says:

    Anyone following the Hernandez case. Not picking sides here but what a douchebag the Ortiz guy (turned sate witness to obviously help himself) … one man told another man who then told him (Ortiz) that Hernnandez to said he shot the guy. .. Again they were all in the car when everyone but him (Ortiz) got out and LLoyd didnt come back in.

    Hope the defense attorney rips this guy to shreds and the stupid prosecuting team if that’s what they are bringing to court.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Standard operating procedure Trini. Often they get s jail neighbor to testify about a conversation. This one is more significant as it puts Hernedez at the crime scene. A bunch of thugs, the whole lot of them.

    • HabsFanInTampa says:

      Believe me, there’s no honor among thieves. You’ve been watching too many Hollywood movies when you think that there’s honor among criminal thugs.

    • Strummer says:

      ” Not picking sides here but…”

      “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Sorry trini, but in these cases, you rarely have a Mother Superior or Eagle Scout as a witness, the people who were involved or near this crime were all reprobates, and company upstanding folk like you and me would normally avoid.

      I kidded yesterday about the fact that the prosecution’s case is “merely circumstantial”, which is lawyer jargon for “my client wasn’t videotaped saying he did it. Yet. As far as you know.” And if that video did come to light, the lawyer would switch to the “his confession was coerced” defence.

      In fact, the evidence is incredibly strong. They have witnesses who heard the shots, video of Mr. Hernandez’ comings and goings, some showing him with a gun. There’s his abnormal behaviour when the police first appeared at his residence. Even the victim texted his sister to tell her who he was with minutes before he was murdered, with a clear subtext that he was worried how things were going down.

      Unless the prosecution trips over its own feet, Aaron Hernandez will be found guilty of murder, which is appropriate, since he’s guiltier than sin.

      • Maritime Ron says:

        They said the same thing about OJ….
        ( See… Strategy: How to Choose a Jury and Manipulate The Process)

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          There was strong evidence in O.J. Simpson’s case, but a gullible jury and a weak trial judge allowed passions and harebrained hypotheses to be introduced to the courtroom setting. Eventually no one who sat through that odyssey was really sure which way was up when the jury went to deliberate.

          Compared to that though, the Aaron Hernandez evidence is orders of magnitude more convincing.

          O.J.’s whereabouts at the time of the murder couldn’t be ascertained by the jury. In this case it’s a slam dunk.

          The weapon was never found for O.J.’s murder. In this case, there’s lots of evidence (bullets, pictures, gunpowder residue).

          There were no witnesses for O.J.’s murder. In this one, there are at least two, with an additional witness hearing the gunshots.

          On and on it goes. The prosecution can’t screw this one up. Can they?

  63. habstrinifan says:

    Laraque is a fool and unschooled as a politician to post on twiiter remarks which would rile Canadiens’ fans while preparing to run in a by election. He probably lost about 302 voites which means his vote count will now be around 22 total.

    Parros was right to respond as he did. Ignore Laraque and address the team/fans.

    On Laraque’s tenure in Mtl, I cant really decide who’s right or wrong. Laraque blames JM and the organization and today everyone blames Laraque. Gainey was right though in removing him from the team.

    Aside: Heard Phillies introduction of their signees. They have improved their team a lot I think. And Emery may just give them the goaltending(if he stays healthy) upgrade that they needed. He may not be acclaimed as a #1 but he has rejuvenated his career quite well.

    Phillly right now is looking good.

    • Cal says:

      Laraque’s been a fool for a long time. Lucky him, he fleeced the Habs out of almost 4.5 mil to talk to the other teams’ players.

      Emery was signed to back up Mason in Philly. Injuries have taken a big toll on Emery’s career. I don’t wish Philly success, though. Hate the Flyers almost as much as the Gooins.

    • Ron says:

      I think your maths off trini, if he lost 302 votes that would put it in the minus column… 😀

  64. PrimeTime says:

    McCarron expected to announce today to play with London Knights in OHL rather than Western Michigan of the NCAA.

  65. HabFanSince72 says:

    No offence to Pat Burns but he is 16th on the all-time list of coaching wins. Well behind Mike Keenan, Ron Wilson, Jacques Martin, Pat Quinn etc … He is not in the top 20 for winning percentage. Unless I missed something he was not an innovator.

    OK he was tragically forced to retire early but it seems to me he was more a good coach than a hall of famer.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Given he was forced to retire early curtailed his total wins. During the time he was a coach in the NHL he had tremendous impacts on the teams he coached.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        Again though, his reg season winning percentage of 57% ranks him lower than 22nd best (Carbo as it happens). In part that’s due to some coaches who had very short careers being ahead of him (Carbo again).

        I’m not saying there’s no argument in his favor but people make it seem like his exclusion is a disgrace.

        Hall of Fame should be people like Scotty Bowman (coach) and Wayne Gretzky (player).

      • Maritime Ron says:

        Burns is probably a sentimental choice from his humble beginnings of a policeman to a premature ending of life.
        He always had an impact wherever he went, but the fire and passion never allowed him to stay past 3-4 years anywhere. To his credit he does have a Cup.

      • krob1000 says:

        Agree…..that is a big factor….worked for Bure, Lindros is getting consideration, Neely is in,etc. Three Jack Adams trophies is pretty damn impressive, a cup,etc. He was not a one hit wonder who won a cup…he won 3 jack adams trophies(most of anyone)…that is a ridiculous pace when you consider how long he coached for and how few coaches can say that. So let’s assume a player won 3 mvp.s (coaches equiv), a cup and had his career short..would he be in the hall?

    • mksness says:

      3 jack adam awards with 3 different teams but only one cup. You know i have no clue what a coach “needs” to be in the hall of fame but i will say that every player with top 20 numbers(assists, goals, points) is usually in the hall of fame. so maybe he should be there

    • Habsrule1 says:

      My feeling is…16th all-time in wins + 3 Jack Adams + 1 Stanley Cup = HOF.

      He would have gotten to top 10 in wins had he been able to coach into his 60’s….no doubt about it.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      OK you have all convinced me.

  66. Maritime Ron says:

    Perhaps one of the biggest moves we made off season was the signing of….Stephan Waite as goalie coach.

    We all know our team is a work in progress – especially on D, but we also know we need the Carey of 2011-12 (and better…) or else we are cooked from the get go.

    A stinker or 2 happens to the best of them, but the long term, mental funks cannot happen again.
    That just kills a team and its overall confidence.

    Here’s liking what Waite had to say:

    “I have a bit of an idea of where I want to go with Carey Price. I’m not planning on making any big changes. He’s already a good goaltender – one of the best in the league.
    It’s not like he needs to make changes from A to Z. He’s got a lot of excellent qualities and we’re going to work on things together,” explained Waite, who has notably worked with netminders Corey Crawford, Antti Niemi and Nikolai Khabibulin, among others.

    “I won’t just be working with them on a technical level. We’ll be looking at the mental side of things as well, like how to react after a bad goal or a bad game. It’s important to look at what happens afterwards.”

    ““I like goalies that are technically very sound, like Carey, but I also like it when a goalie knows how to get away from that technique and work off instinct when he needs to.
    Too many goalies in the league right now are too concerned with technique. It’s a matter of balance and being in control – not too aggressive, but not too passive either.”

    Price was not consulted, nor did he have 1 iota of input into the coaching decision…

    • Fransaskois says:

      It’s going to be good. Price is already a #1, he just needs to take the next step. I think Waite’s the guy to get him there, another good defensive defenceman might help too. This could be a game changer. Our “mediocre” roster might have a chance at competing if we’ve got an elite goaltender.

    • Habfan17 says:

      Good morning M.R.

      Nice post. I agree, with Waite on board, Price and Budaj should be better this season. It may take a bit of time to see results, but I love this move.

      The fact that Price had no say is actually a good thing. I get that he needs to get along with his coaches, but I doubt that the GM asks each player whether they like the head coach he wants to hire, I don’t think the goalies should be asked about the goalie coach. When a player chooses who they want, they may go for friends who will let them be and is fun to hang around with, rather than a coach that will force them to look in the mirror, challenge them, hold them accountable, and help them improve.


    • Cal says:

      We’ll have to Waite and see if Mr. Chill ever takes the next step. It’s nice to see a goalie coach that has worked with Cup winners. Maybe this will rub off on Price. Or, worst case, Fucale.

      • Habsrule1 says:

        lol by the time Fucale is playing in the NHL, Waite might be retired. Let’s hope this takes Price to the next step.

        Go Habs Go!!

        “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    • JF says:

      Agreed. A few posters have been complaining recently that the measures Bergevin has taken so far have all been stop-gaps – Brière for two years, Parros for a year. This is certainly true, but the appointment of Stéphane Waite is the only really big move and it is far from a stop-gap. If Waite can be the guy to help Price reach the next level, this will have a far bigger impact long term than any other off-season signing Bergevin is likely to make this summer.

      I especially like what Waite says about working off instinct. It often seems that Price relies too much on positioning and is sometimes not alert enough. This was especially the case late in the season when his positioning was slightly off, he was committing too much to one side or the other, or he was too deep in the net. At these times he certainly didn’t look as though he were in control.

      It could well be the case that the biggest improvement we see in the team next year is in goaltending.

    • Phil C says:

      The first thing Waite should do is corner J. J. Daigneault as say the defensemen *have* to stop backing in beyond the top of the circle. You can’t give the best players in the world clear shots from close range.

      Tell the defensemen that Carey is only stopping the first shot, rebounds are on the D, so be ready to fight for the puck and tie up sticks instead of standing around gormlessly waiting for Carey to be the hero.

      Tell the defensemen that Carey will be challenging the shooter, so the D must have good gap control and active sticks to defend against the east-west pass, those goals will be on the D, not Carey.

      2-on-1, don’t be a hero, let Carey take the shooter, he can handle it, just don’t let a pass across.

      And it wouldn’t hurt if players in Carey’s crease would have to pay a price to stand there, he is a better goalie when he can actually see the puck.

  67. HabinBurlington says:

    So the Anaheim Ducks have signed Zack Stortini to a one year deal.

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      It seems every year they get a new enforcer…LOL

      “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

      • Maritime Ron says:

        They can have him.
        He can’t skate and doesn’t win many of his fights

        • HabinBurlington says:

          I am in total agreement, I went to a fair amount of Bulldogs games and even watched a few of their practises. In none of those times did he appear to have the skating ability to play at the NHL level. He is a good teammate but the move seems rather desperate by the Ducks. Happy for the guy though, as this could be his last kick at the NHL can.

          • Maritime Ron says:

            They gave him a 2 way contract, but a very generous $150K in the AHL(vs. the $75K he made last year)-$600K NHL.
            Funny, Staubitz is there also.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Okay, didn’t realize it was a two way contract. Thanks Ron.

    • Habfan17 says:

      Big whoop! No offence, but this is not really news. Stortini is basically a minor league player. Thanks for the update just the same! I feel the same way for Laraque’s comments. How this made it to TSn or any other media is beyond me. What has he ever done to have any credibility. Slow news day I guess…lol

      I watched Big Georges play live when he was in the Q. I never thought he would make the NHL. Yes, in front of the net he knocked players down like rag dolls, but he was twice the size of most players then. He was so slow, frozen molasses ran up hill faster. He could never get off any big hits, the players were long gone by the time he got to where he was going.


  68. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    Congrats to Chelios and his family. Chris was my favorite Hab…a true warrior on the ice. I guess I like PK so much because he reminds me of him. It is also cool to see someone of Greek descent make it to the Hall.

    “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

  69. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …keep the list to those who’ve played 4 or more years with the Habs and da Weeds

  70. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …3:30 am here, after being awoken by a mosquito bite on My butt out here in the Wilds of BC I’m thinking of da Turdranna MuppleWeeds

    …quel surprise ! 🙂

  71. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …does anyOne have the total number of Habs voted in the HHOF vs da Turdranna MuppleWeeds all-time ?

    • Maritime Ron says:

      Tough comparison. Any list I looked at included guys that had a cup of coffee with the team either early in career or the last year or 2

      They list guys like Dickie Moore, Mike Gartner, Grant Fuhr, Bernie Parent, Gerry Cheevers, Ron Francis, Joe Nieuwendyk….

  72. Harditya says:

    Not sure if posted earlier, but Habs 2nd round pick Jacob De La Rose hopes to join Windsor Spitfires for the upcoming season.

  73. mark24 says:

    Still say Burns has gotta be elected to the hall sooner rather than later.

  74. Ncognito says:

    First and foremost – We could use a Chelios or two right now 🙂

    • Fransaskois says:

      I just had a bowl of Chelios for breakfast, I don’t need another.

      • Maritime Ron says:

        Hi Fransy
        From the other thread re Morrow
        Sign him in a heartbeat and then move Moen out.
        The left side would look nice with Max-Morrow-Bourque Prust then whatever draft pick we could get for Moen If we could get him for $3M-$3.a little, and subtract Moen at $1.8M that only adds $1.2M. Huge upgrade for small money

        • Fransaskois says:

          I’m feeling this:
          (Dumont, Thomas, Leblanc, Blunden, Tarnasky as call-ups)

          So long as the lines’ minutes are spread properly (A-B-C not 1-2-3), this would be a big upgrade on what we currently have. I know Desharnais doesn’t have much value because of his size but, packaging him with someone for an upgrade defensively would be a very savvy move. I don’t really like how Moen played this year but I don’t think I’d move him, he’s a good depth player if nothing else.

          • Maritime Ron says:

            That looks very nice. I know it will never happen but moving the contract you mention for Morrow would be a Cap wash and big upgrade…along with moving up Eller and Chuckie where they should be with more minutes

          • Habsrule1 says:

            Morrow seems washed up. I’d take Jagr instead.


            Go Habs Go!!

            “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

          • Maritime Ron says:

            Jagr over Morrow?
            That was a kidding post, right?

      • jacquesthemonkey says:


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