Geoffrion signs; Centennial Plaza bites dust for Habs highrise condo project

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Artist’s impression of the view north from the 30th floor of the Tour des Canadiens.
Handout photo

Vastly overshadowed in the news of RFA Blake Geoffrion’s one-year, $803,250 two-way contract signed Monday morning was this:

The Canadiens have announced a towering new condominium/sports entertainment skyscraper to be built on the site of the team’s 3-year-old Centennial Plaza.

The plaza, featuring tributes to the history of the team and some 20,000 bricks bought by fans and business, will be no more. The Canadiens state in a release that the bricks will be “reintegrated” into the new project, but details on that are invisible for now.

Also to be repositioned will be the four impressive statues of Habs legends Howie Morenz, Maurice Richard, Jean Béliveau and Guy Lafleur.

Here’s a short promotional video produced by the Canadiens and building partners to introduce the project:

One of the very many bricks that will be relocated from Centennial Plaza:

Below: artist’s rendering of Tour des Canadiens on the site of current Centennial Plaza:

Below: from the pages of The Gazette, Dec. 5, 2008: Henri Richard looks at statue of his brother, Maurice, at the launch of Centennial Plaza on Dec. 4, 2008, and Jean Béliveau is seen with his statue in the plaza that day.

398 Comments

  1. zorro1999 says:

    i’m suprised that there’s no any reaction on the crap condo from the media. what ever its either positive or negtive. ??? Z…z…z…

    zorro

  2. Graceland says:

    Re: Initial Brick Purchase. We were told that there would be a heated element under the bricks, so they would always be visual even under extreme snow or ice conditions. This was clear in the printed material. They scrapped this after we purchsed them. Secondly, I’m still waiting for just 1 player, just 1, to be concerned about the price of tickets the fans have to pay. Just 1!

  3. junyab says:

    Wow…repositioning the shrine, to me, equals destroying the shrine. The Canadiens organization is becoming more and more classless, untraditional, and corporate. No wonder no big UFAs want to sign here. This is a really sad day.

  4. shiram says:

    I don’t really mind the tower, maybe it will be more of a pain to get into the Bell Center, but that’s no biggie. The tower will be the second highest building in MTL, if it’s proposed neighbour L’avenue gets approved.
    Good on Geoffrion for his deal, glad he got a 2-way.
    CBA negotiation are depressing.

  5. boing007 says:

    @Chris,
    Your comment this morning reminded me of a line in a Taj Mahal song:
    ‘a handful of gimme, and a mouthful of much obliged’.
    We give, they take.

    Richard R
    Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

  6. Greg says:

    Sorry…. Double post.

  7. Greg says:

    A heard someone on TSN call Geoffrion “Baby Boom”. That’s pretty good. Maybe I’m late to the dance on this one, but I like it.

  8. HabFanSince72 says:

    Why people are siding with the players.

    1. First, the notion that no one ever complains about players’ salaries is untrue. People constantly complain about players’ salaries.

    2. On the owners’ side you have Jeremy Jacobs, Ed Snyder, Gary Bettman. It would be very hard to cheer against the other side.

    3. The issue here is how the pie is divided, not how big the pie should be. The players are happy with the current agreement, under which everyone is making money.

    4. If the season is suspended it will be because the owners are trying to increase their share of the pie. They are doing this because they know that a lockout will hurt the players more than it will hurt them.

    5 We are fans. There is a natural emotional connection with the players.


    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • TomNickle says:

      The players aren’t in nearly as much trouble as it would seem. The players who really take a hit are the guys who bounce back and forth from the NHL to AHL or have a low end NHL salary and aren’t normally playing in the AHL.

      Roster spots will open up all over Europe for these players if there is another lockout.

  9. Exit716 says:

    Excellent Down Goes Brown column. Especially the Youppi! comment.
    http://www.downgoesbrown.com/2012/07/nhl-owners-other-leaked-cba-demands.html

  10. Kfourn says:

    I’m looking forward to PK signing so the real debates can begin ;)

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Agree. Am still not worried about the time it is taking to sign him, this is very similar to the time it took for Price’s first contract renewal. It is an important contract for both PK and the team, then there is the added dimension of the new CBA and potential ramifications to PK.

      Hopefully once this contract is done, the persistant trade PK talk can also go the way of the dodo bird.

      • boing007 says:

        Ya got somethin’ against the dodo bird?

        Richard R
        Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

      • Kfourn says:

        That would be nice in theory, but until PK puts up Karlsson numbers consistently, the “Trade PK” talks will never cease. I’m excited to see what he can bring this season…if there is hockey this season that is.

        _______________________________________________________
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  11. HabinBurlington says:

    I am guessing we are in for another day of architectural design talk, greasy owners and the modern day apostles (NHL Players). :)

  12. ths says:

    What is this ? A tribute to Alexis Nihon Plaza ?

    Ooh Aah Habs on the war path

  13. wjc says:

    As I see it there used to be great nick names on the Canadiens, for example….Boom Boom Geffrion, Jake the Snake Plante, Rocket Richard, Pocket Rocket Richard, BIG Jean Beliveau. The road Runner Cornouria, Knuckles Nilan.

    Now we have, Pop pop Geffrion, The comeback kid Gomez, Is the price right, Price, Knees Markov, and the “trade em all” fan club. Starring “the sky is falling and everything is wrong, hootenany singers with their hit songs, they did what? They signed who? and the number 1 hit, “Do I have a line-up for you, no need for training camp”

    wjc

  14. HabFanSince72 says:

    Someone mentions that the tower is generic, and not as exciting as modern architecture in Shanghai or Dubai.

    Modern architecture in Montreal is notoriously bland, but this has to do in part with the well-known Canadian aversion to showing off. (Possibly inherited from our Scots ancestors.) It’s also due to the fact that we probably don’t have gazillionaires.

    Towns like Shanghai and Dubai with their new capitalists have something to prove. Not all the buildings are successful. That tower in Dubai Clay linked to is hideous.

    Toronto is kind of going in that direction and has built some real eyesores in trying to show the world it matters.

    Just google “Daniel Libeskind Toronto”.


    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • nickster13 says:

      Trust me, as long as it looks glassy and classy then it fits the skyline quite well. Don’t need any obscure eyesores.

      I live in Seoul, Korea right now, and you wanna talk about ugly buildings, this place takes the cake! Yeah there are a few nice buildings popping up here and there, but the architecture here is quite aesthetically upsetting.

      “I don’t wanna see Maurice tonight, I want the rocket!”

  15. commandant says:

    @Cal

    It would be $10 a beer even if the salary cap was $10 million.

    I’ve never been to an impact game, but at TFC games the beer is also overpriced, and the players salaries are peanuts. How about the CFL? At ticats games you spend $10 a beer. At Bulldogs games too. Go to a QMJHL game or an OHL game and see overpriced beer there too.

    Overpriced beer is pure economic function of greed. The fans are a captive audience, want beer, and you are running a monopoly for that three hour game as the only seller in the building. Its not the players salaries that have sent them out of control.

    Funny how Tom Cruise making 20million for a movie doesn’t get as many people complaining about the overpriced popcorn at the movie theater.

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    • ed lopaz says:

      everybody complains about the price of popcorn in movie theatres, everybody I know at least.

      and back before the Cap, beer was not $10, it was about $4 or $5, in Montreal.

      why is it that everyone complains how much lawyers make on this site??

      why are rich lawyers working for successful law firms any different then the rich players working for rich hockey teams?

      • boing007 says:

        Some rich lawyers are player’s agents too.

        Richard R
        Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

      • commandant says:

        The Cap reduced player salaries, so how would it raise the cost of beer in Montreal? There was a 24% rollback and the Habs salary structure in 2006 was cheaper than 2004. So either your statement is wrong or the two aren’t connected.

        People complain about the price of popcorn, but no one links it to Tom Cruise’s salary. But people complaining about the beer price blame the players instead of the concession owner who is setting the price. In the movie theatre, we blame the theatre owner.

        Go Habs Go!
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    • Cal says:

      I was comparing ticket prices, Commandant. Over-priced concessions are there for any who want to pay 4 to 5 times the regular price. By the way, Cruise generates about $2 bil in tickets + DVD (or bluray) sales per movie. Theater owners require the concessions to make a buck. This is not so with NHL ticket prices being what they are (in all of Canada, anyway).

    • wjc says:

      Now, as I see it, it is either greed, or stupidity. Now the people selling the beer are not stupid.

      You line-up to pay $10.00 for a beer, the line-up is the give away. My only concern as a seller could I get away with $12.00. Probably. But then we would waste time making change.

      If you decide to do your drinking before the game and after the game, the seller might decide that selling $10.00 is not working and drop the price. But as they say there is no cure for stupidity, so complain all you want nothing will change.

      It is like saying fans should organize as a union and then organizing a summit and buying blocks of tickets…could drive a person crazy trying to find the logic in all the emotion….happy trails buckaroos.
      “I don’t want the Rocket tonight ,I want the “Comeback kid Gomez”
      wjc

    • arcosenate says:

      I’ve never had a beer I felt was overpriced in my life.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      Actually overpriced beer there is to also discourage you from getting an inebriated crowd that you can’t control.

      It doesn’t stop everyone but def lowers the amount of people from doing it.

  16. Nobody says:

    It’s a great idea. A much better use of the space. The plaza spends much of hockey season covered with snow and ice, and gets a only brief visit by tourists before they head indoors. Besides, Habs fans revering the past are just starting to sound like Leafs fans. I like the forward looking aproach in this. There is a place for sculptures of legends but they need not occupy this prime location. This new tower looks classy and innovative. The lot of you need to stop complaining about change.

    • Cal says:

      The tower is ugly. The gigantic box depicted is as innovative as a cereal box. The sculptures may have to move inside the Bell Centre, which may not be a bad thing. However, taking people’s money for the “bricks” of Centennial Plaza and then deciding to be rid of it within a few short years is a pissy thing to do. It wreaks of short-sightedness and unabated greed. Yet another gigantic ugly building being put up in a sea of gigantic ugly buildings. How dull.

    • JUST ME says:

      Nostalgia has nothing to do with much needed business in Montreal. We should be thankfull to the Molsons for investing in the city.

      I just do not think that we have the political leadership in place to achieve results without wasting investments with all the friends of the system we need to subsidize….

      I too am happy that we turn the page on the centanial and in a way on a glorious era that needs to be rewritten. We tend to compare different eras to measure our expectations wich makes no sense. Make no mistakes ,i had the priviledge to go through the great years of Guy Lafleur and co. and will consider myself extremely lucky to have witnessed such greatness. To think that anyone under 30 has no idea what winning a stanley cup means and that anyone under 40 have no idea what it means to have a dynasty is kind of sad. But those are things of the past that must remain there.

      Do not have the money to buy hockey tickets,haven`t been to the Bell center yet and in no way i could put money in a brick. I understand that it must be frustrating to be tossed aside like that but comes a time when priorities must be placed towards the future of the city.

    • malmn says:

      “The lot of you need to stop complaining about change.”

      You obviously didn’t pay for a Centennial brick so STFU.

      GO HABS GO!!!

  17. Marc10 says:

    It’s an ugly building. Piss weak.

    • boing007 says:

      The building should be bleu blanc rouge. That way the logo at the top would blend in, rather than be the main focal point.

      Richard R
      Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

  18. jew4jah says:

    the maple leafs de montreal

    chara = חרה

  19. pmaraw says:

    the last time there was a lockout, the lottery was based on the last 5 years, not just the last year. in the last 5 years, i believe we only didnt make the playoffs once and even came 1st in the east during the regular season once…. so ya…. dont count on a high pick if it goes to lottery.

  20. pmaraw says:

    a hotel would have been better than a condo.

    • boing007 says:

      There are several hotels in the immediate area already. Who needs more of them?

      Richard R
      Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

  21. nigelater says:

    Absolute rubbish. Tour of identikit nonsense and an embarrassment. The promo video was especially galling. Is this what it takes to generate revenue to run a NHL club? Cash de Hockey Canadien.

  22. club_de_hockey says:

    Disgraceful.

  23. Corson27 says:

    Jeez is that the news I came here to read, the signing of a career AHL player and the construction of a concrete jungle?

  24. HABZ24 says:

    Money and greed ruin a good thing now wheres my brick going to end up inside a luxery building ill never go into. Suxxxx

  25. golesboys says:

    I don’t want to hear about a Condo that is a ‘wise investment.’

    I don’t want to hear Gainey/Gauthier talk, i.e. ‘all teams want to win, and we should be grateful to be competitive.’

    I want to hear that we’ve signed a guy who understands (ownership and Montreal media notwithstanding) that the Habs are about winning, and that winning means “F— you and everybody who looks like you.”

    So sign PK NOW. And don’t sell me this BS about how condo developments ‘increase our assets.’ It’s shameful how silent and uncritical the MSM have been about this.

  26. Clay says:

    My goodness what an uninspired building proposal! Mundane and pedestrian. The developers should Google the Shanghai skyline for some inspiration. Or a host of other cities. Canada is indeed falling behind the world.

    __________________________
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    • HFX-HabFan says:

      Yes, Canada is falling behind the world because a pro hockey team wants to build a condo beside their arena.

      • Clay says:

        Lol, yeah – that’s what I meant. :roll:

        __________________________
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    • The Jackal says:

      Haha yeah, modern building development sure sets Canada behind!
      You tell ‘em!

      Not all oysters produce pearls, thankfully, Price is a pearl producing oyster.

      • Clay says:

        See my response below to Jim, the other little sheep.

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    • Jim Edson says:

      Falling behind?

      Make sure you pan down to the seawall along the Huangpu River to check out the stunning beauty of the empty plastic water bottles and Styrofoam food containers clogging the river along the Bund!

      Such beauty, I take Montreal any day!

      ———————————————————————-
      What does the Commissioner of the NHL do?

      In short, a league commissioner is the action man for the Board of Governors.

      They tell him what they want done and he works to make it happen through his subordinates while making sure that individual franchises play by the rules.

      ******** Translated if you haven’t won the Stanley Cup in 40 years your NHL team is becoming irrelevant in a sports mad city long behind MLB, NFL and NBA teams, you just tell the commissioner(who you gave a new contract at 7 plus million per) to make it happen and the rules are bent sufficiently to action the command.

      • Clay says:

        One thing I’ve noticed about denial – it doesn’t have any effect the facts. Canada is falling behind much of the world in many (MANY) areas. Building development is but one of them.

        But that’s neither here nor there. The fact is this is a very ugly building. No charm, no character.
        Look at modern architecture in Dubai, for example. Seriously – there is no comparison to this monstrosity.

        Look at this one
        http://rol.vn/resourcedetail/6/1270/anara-tower-arguably-the-most-beautiful-building-in-the-world/

        Or these
        http://worldfamousbuildings.blogspot.ca/2011_08_01_archive.html

        Then tell me again how beautiful this proposed one in Montreal is. And try not to be such a sheep.
        __________________________
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        • Jim Edson says:

          Who was denying anything!

          You mentioned the beauty of Shanghai’s skyline as inspiration but omitted to mention that it sits on an uninspiring sea of garbage.

          Some can’t look beyond the facade portrayed in postcards and propaganda while ignoring the big picture.

          Years spent in the PRC( all over, ever been in Xinjiang?) teaches that things are never as they appear!

          Dubai’s skyline is a different story or will be when all the tower cranes are removed.

          ———————————————————————-
          What does the Commissioner of the NHL do?

          In short, a league commissioner is the action man for the Board of Governors.

          They tell him what they want done and he works to make it happen through his subordinates while making sure that individual franchises play by the rules.

          ******** Translated if you haven’t won the Stanley Cup in 40 years your NHL team is becoming irrelevant in a sports mad city long behind MLB, NFL and NBA teams, you just tell the commissioner(who you gave a new contract at 7 plus million per) to make it happen and the rules are bent sufficiently to action the command.

          • Clay says:

            Ok, for the record, when was the last time you visited Shanghai? I’m betting before the World Expo, yes? If ever? There is little to no garbage anywhere on the streets of Shanghai – especially in popular and developed areas.
            So there was nothing to omit, because your point is simply not true. How do I know, you ask? I live in Shanghai.

            *Edit*
            And yes, I have been to Xinjiang. And I am going again next week Thursday in fact. I love it there.

            __________________________
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          • boing007 says:

            Look behind the facade of many of the houses in Montréal and you will notice that the Victorian style motif is just an addon to the front of the building.

            Richard R
            Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

  27. Mattyleg says:

    Where would HI/O be without outrage…?

    G’night all.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  28. ProHabs says:

    Just put down a bunch of patio stones in my back yard to make a nice deck to enjoy the summer days. I will be willing to put any of your names on the stones for the cheap price of $200. Within 10 years I may want to build a nice wooden deck though. Rest assured, if I do, I will take the patio stones and put them on the ground of my dog’s dog run. Limited quantity so act fast.

  29. HabinBurlington says:

    To all the impassioned people who feel the owners are greedy and blood thirsty, do you also have the same passion in your day to day purchasing choices? How many people still shop at Costco or wherever the majority of clothes are being produced in conditions well below the standard we experience here in Canada. Unfortunately, pro sports are a business, they are entertainment mixed with the passion of the sport we grew up dreaming we could one day play.

    • Chris says:

      Well, I for one do not shop at any big box stores. I’ve never set foot in a Wal-Mart or a Costco.

      I buy my books at small, locally owned bookstores, and my CD’s at locally owned music stores. I buy my produce from the Farmer’s market.

      But my dad owned a small business, so I’m willing to shell out a few extra bucks on most shopping trips to help support local businesses. :)

      • Clay says:

        Sadly, people like you are in the serious minority.

        __________________________
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      • ProHabs says:

        Who buys cds anymore

        • Chris says:

          I still do. Sound quality is still better than digital downloads. I don’t notice it in all music, but you definitely can for some bands.

          • boing007 says:

            @Chris
            Got Winamp? Do any processing?
            I use a plugin that really improves the sound of cd wavefiles.
            Sonnox Oxford R3 Dynamics Native.

            Richard R
            Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

  30. DorvalTony says:

    Another mindless generic Lego building. Shame.

  31. frontenac1 says:

    Habfan. The owners are the Aristocrats. The players are the Bourgeoisie. And We comrades,are the proleteriat. Viva La Revolucion

  32. DMAN says:

    Make the madness go away!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wait a minute, I can make it go away. See you in December…………….who am I kidding. See you tomorrow.

  33. Gormdog says:

    So… Where do I sign up for my Centennial brick refund?

    I definitely did not pay 200$ + to have my name “enshrined” on the side of a cash grab condo.

  34. ed lopaz says:

    I’m really surprised how much support the players are getting.

    Why do the players, the millionaires, deserve any more of our support then the owners, the billionaires??

    Why is it that the posters who support labour, unions, the players, are not up in arms, scratching and clawing, gathering downtown and banging their pots and pans,

    IN SUPPORT OF THE FANS!!

    We, the fans, are the ones who always get screwed in this.

    • HabFab says:

      I guess we are the masses under the influence of opium, while the players are the proletariat.

    • Chris says:

      We the fans get screwed because we choose to buy tickets, jerseys and subscribe to cable packages so we can watch every game. There is a voracious appetite for the NHL, and so long as that appetite is there, the owners will jack the prices. The NHL is a gate driven league…estimates are that about 2/3 of their revenues come from gate, although I suspect it is a bit lower now. So whlie I agree that the fans are the ones who gets screwed in this, they are also willing victims, at least thus far.

      I support the players because they are the guys that are one injury away from never playing again. Ask Pat Peake.

      I support the players because they are the ones that are one concussion away from never playing again. And worse yet, in many cases, those concussed players will die young and/or live tragically limited lives with the family. We can ask Jeff Beukeboom, who couldn’t remember the names of his kids many mornings, or the widow of Bob Probert.

      I think that the players are grossly overpaid. But then again, I think that huge swaths of the population are grossly overpaid. If we’re okay with medical doctors or engineers pulling down 2-10 times what the average citizen makes because of their skillset and the time they had to invest to get there, then professional athletes earning ridiculously more is understandable given how unbelievably rare THEIR skillset is and how many hours it takes for them to get there. When you throw in how short their careers are (average NHL player plays 238.63 games in their career; 50% of players play 86 games or fewer) and the fact that the majority of them never get a pension (you must be active for a minimum of 160 games to qualify for a pension, which starts at $8000 per year from age 45 and ramps up from there with increased experience), I have a fair bit of sympathy for the players. Maybe not the starts who are earning many millions of dollars per season, but certainly for the rest of them.

      • ed lopaz says:

        well, Chris, you seem to make the point loud and clear.

        we, the fans, are foolish and not deserving of respect.

        while the players, over paid as they may be, deserve the millions they get

        the owners, I assume, are evil doers, a-holes, who like to screw the players and the fans.

        Yup.

        that’s what I’ve been reading here all day.

        • Chris says:

          Basically, yes.

          The ticket prices are going to be where they are regardless of the product on the ice. So it comes down to who I would rather see getting the lion’s share of the money.

          The problem is that the fans have no seat at the bargaining table. To be honest, we never will and probably don’t deserve to. We can vote with our wallets.

          It’s like complaining about how the political parties never listen and then blindly voting for a party regardless of who the candidate is (the “poteaux”).

          We have the biggest hammer of all, the cash, but we’re too fragmented and individualistic to use it. If season ticket owners for the Canadiens were to boycott in protest of high ticket prices, the team could easily sell those boycotted tickets ten times over.

          Why would the players or owners realistically factor in the fans when the revenues continue to climb astronomically?

          • ed lopaz says:

            just so I understand, the players are considered the “good” guys here but they don’t care about the fans any more then the owners, who are essentially “bad”.

          • boing007 says:

            ‘If season ticket owners for the Canadiens were to boycott in protest of high ticket prices, the team could easily sell those boycotted tickets ten times over.’

            Who are the people who are going to pay ten times more for those boycotted tickets, Chris?
            Donald Trump?

            Richard R
            Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

          • Chris says:

            ed: In my opinion, there is no “good” guys or “bad” guys. There are two groups of people both trying to maximize their financial return living in a society where most people do the same thing.

            The only difference is the scale of the money they are discussing. I’d love if ticket prices came down or if jerseys didn’t cost $200. But the reality is that they haven’t and they don’t, so I haven’t contributed any money to the Montreal Canadiens or the NHL in about 8 years. I just can’t afford it.

            When enough people get to that level, perhaps we fans will get factored in. But I’m not exactly holding my breath, because 20000 people who have more money than they apparently know what to with fill the Bell Centre 40 nights per year. The tickets, when they go on sale in the late summer, sell out in MINUTES.

            So my “sacrifice” of foregoing live NHL action has been largely for naught.

          • Chris says:

            boing007: Despite experiencing a financial meltdown that has left many of us with less and less money, paintings are selling for record prices. Jewels are selling for record prices. Houses, up until the past few months it seems, have been selling for record prices.

            It’s not me buying that stuff, and it probably isn’t you. But there are a lot of people with a lot of disposable income walking around these days.

            I dislike it, but it is reality. The Montreal Canadiens have a wait-list for season tickets that is several years long. If the current season-ticket owners decided not to renew, it is almost a surety that another group of wealthy individuals would fill the void.

            That might not be the case in Dallas or San Jose or Nashville. But it certainly is in Toronto and Montreal.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Yet the players union seems to be an unwilling partner to have the equipment changed, or fines increased, or have suspensions raised dramatically to help decrease these injuries.

        Chris, I don’t disrespect your point that the players are one hit away, but I have seen virtually nothing from the Players Union that strikes me they are any more concerned the owners.

        • ed lopaz says:

          don’t you know, Gerald, the players would change all of those things if they “could”, but its the owners who are to blame for blocking those changes at every turn.

          The Good, The Bad, and The Ignorant (fans)

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQGGQ-FCe_w

        • Chris says:

          They’re not. But they are the ones who have to get paid while they can.

          I remember a quote from Reggie White, the dominant linebacker from the Eagles and Packers in the 1980’s and 1990’s. When asked why he played such a brutal sport knowing how many players’ lives were permanently disrupted by injuries, he replied that he played football so that his kids would never have to.

          Hockey is obviously not quite the same “out” as football is in the United States. But players are basically looking to set themselves up for life while they can. It really isn’t much different than winning the lottery, except the lottery in this case required that they worked their tails off for 15-20 years to get a shot at winning.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Reggie White was a great player with incredible charisma and a big heart. I am not sure however that the majority of NFL players shared his perspective. Also, the NHL Players Union has far greater power at the bargaining table than the NFL PLayers Association has ever displayed.

            Chris that is a great quote, but I don’t think Crosby is playing so his kids don’t have to… ( I do realize he does not have kids)

            I am not Pro Owner, but I do find the Pro Player perspective to be quite intriguing.

          • Chris says:

            No, Sidney Crosby isn’t playing for his kids. He’s playing so that he never has to work a day in his life, and his family probably won’t either.

            But I remember reading somewhere that one of the retired players estimated that about half the players in the league really don’t care as much as fans think about winning the Stanley Cup.

            They get paid for regular season performance, while the bonus pay for the playoffs is often a pittance in comparison. For many of them, they see the playoffs as a time where they can risk their career earning potential for essentially no personal gain.

            I doubt that it is as high as 50% personally, but I wouldn’t be suprised to see it around a third of the league’s players, and not just the Europeans as the stereotype might suggest.

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          HiB, any vestige of the charade that Gary Bettman tried to con us with at the conclusion of the last lockout, that the owners and NHLPA were partners and would grow the game for everyone’s benefit, including the fans, was obliterated by their cynical first offer to the players on Friday.

          Anyone wondering why the players don’t go along with amendments to the CBA that would seem to be in their best interest, things like drug testing or changes to equipment or the new conference realignment got their answer on Friday. Whenever you’re involved in a collective bargaining process, you never ‘give in’ on a point or clause for free, even if you think you’ll benefit from it. You bitch and moan and bellyache over it and eventually ‘cave’ on that in return of another thing you want that you wouldn’t get for free. That may seem unnecessary, but that’s what the process is subverted into when management treats its ‘partners’ like leeches they would love to do away with if they could just procure some robots that can build cars or fly airplanes or deke out a robot goalie then roof a backhand.

          • ed lopaz says:

            yet, when the checks are signed, the players take their pay gladly,

            and run to the bank laughing at how much they’re being paid to play a sport they used to play for free.

            funny how those scum bag owners become very important when the checks need to be signed.

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            Ed, these cheques are not a largesse magnanimously showered on the players out of the goodness of the owners’ hearts. It’s money generated by these same players. It already belongs to them. The owners skim off a much too large portion and then pass on the rest.

            The players actually get a smaller share than they would actually get if the captains of industry and champions of free enterprise who own the teams didn’t have restraints of trade built in to their cabal, things like a universal draft and exclusive rights to players and a salary cap.

            So the owners aren’t very important parties who sign cheques, they’re parasites who skim off the top of the proceeds generated by a game they don’t truly love.

          • Andrew65 says:

            Yes, Cdn Errant, they skim all that money off the top. And I suppose it’s the players who pay for all the operating expenses of runnning the team.

      • boing007 says:

        The owners and players should each shave off a few percentage points of their revenu sharing and set some of it aside for better pension schemes, etc. Both sides suffer from tunnel vision and a me first attitude.

        Richard R
        Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

    • Cal says:

      It’s a matter of scale. Millionaires versus Billionaires. Many try to explain their “backing” of the players by talking about the time (well before all of today’s players were born) when owners screwed over the players.
      The only people who are going to be screwed by this dispute are the people who actually care: the fans.
      As far as I am concerned, both sides are carving up an over-sized pie thanks to Canadian interest in the game. Without that interest, the NHL would be along the lines of the CFL; it would be a curiosity, but not much more. Tickets wouldn’t be the equivalent of a week’s pay, never mind the insanely priced concessions, like $10 beer.

      Unfortunately, we love NHL hockey and don’t really give a rat’s ass about Canadian college or junior. Yes, there is regional interest in the juniors, but it cannot compare with the NHL. If it did, we’d be paying the same prices at junior games as we would for NHL games.
      Let’s hope they drop the puck in October and not January 1st, which is what is likely to happen. Why? Because we are stupid enough to go back at inflated prices, just like always.

    • Clay says:

      Here’s why Ed. The players risk their lives to play a violent sport that carries a serious risk of major injury – and especially of concussion, which can have severe life-altering effects on your future.

      The owners risk nothing but some money. These risks are not comparable. The players risk is great. The owners risk is negligible at best.

      __________________________
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  35. Chris says:

    Bad: as the last defender in a soccer game, getting deked out by the striker to give him a clear path to an easy goal.

    Embarassingly bad: getting deked out so hard by said striker that you end up with a pulled groin muscle (get yer mind out of the gutter!) while trying to stop him and your game is over as you hop to sideline.

    I’m taking Advil tonight and waiting for the posters to roll…I’m gonna be famous in Guelph rec league soccer! ;)

  36. Toe Blake says:

    Glad they didn’t pay any homage to me in Centennial Plaza. I’d rather they name a penthouse in the tower in my honor with a fully stocked bar and and assortment of adult entertainment.

  37. commandant says:

    @Bripro

    If you think any reduction in player’s salaries will trickle down as savings to the fans, then you are naive my friend.

    Perhaps my eyes just look at things a little more cynically than that.

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    • HabFanSince72 says:

      No he’s not naive. He’s entirely correct based on classical economics.

      When the price of a barrel of crude falls, the cost of a litre of gas at the pump also falls.


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  38. EricInStL says:

    Nice going Canadiens, right on time for a housing crash.

    I thought the Quebec Government was real good at finding ways to take our money. The Canadiens are not too far behind. Difference is I don’t have to drink the cool aid of the Canadiens.

    Sorry but the Canadiens history died when they moved from the Montreal Forum. I know it’s progress but it’s a fact now everything tastes artificial.

  39. commandant says:

    @HabFanSince72

    Revenue sharing does not equate to taking more money from the fans.

    The prices the fans pay are not set by the salaries the player’s make… in fact it is the other way around.

    The prices the fans are willing to pay (from the supply demand curve) set the revenues that teams make and the thus next year’s cap.

    Revenue sharing or no revenue sharing, high salaries or low salaries, the owners are going to try to set the ticket prices at the maximum people will pay, and still sell out the building.

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    • EricInStL says:

      Exactly, look what happened with the Impact, people don’t go, prices drop….

      Interesting concept isn’t it ?

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      I thought about what HFS72 wrote, and I didn’t really understand, but I guess what he may mean is that if a rich market team is suddenly making 70 cents on the dollar of revenue because of new league sharing schemes, there is more pressure on these teams to jack up prices to make up for the shortfall, comfortable in the knowledge that the fans will grumble but still pay.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        Essentially correct. The fans grumbling but paying anyway is called inelasticity of demand by economists.

        However the kicker is even if a lot of fans decide NOT to pay (or to reduce their consumption of hockey tickets, prices still go up (see below).

        To quote that microeconomics text:

        “For goods with a relatively inelastic demand, the reduction in demand caused by a tax is minor, and the greater burden of the tax will fall on the consumer. Because the response in demand is small, governments favor taxing goods with an inelastic demand, in order to maximize tax revenues.”


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    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Actually if you recall your microeconomics lectures, the price of a good is determined by supply AND demand.

      Why would ticket prices go up if there was greater revenue sharing?

      1. Small market teams could now spend more on salaries. If there was complete sharing of revenues then every team would have to spend the maximum. This means the wealthy teams would see their profits drop (they would be sending more of their profits to other teams).

      2. The wealthy teams, realizing that demand is relatively inelastic (i.e. they could sell as many seats if they raised prices), could raise ticket prices in order to recuperate those lost profits.

      3. How do we know that higher prices would increase profits for the Canadiens? Because every game is sold out. This means that ticket prices are not maxed out.

      4. So why would they do it? Because the size of the investment demands a certain return. Revenue sharing would force Molson to either raise ticket prices or sell the team.

      5. Finally, 100% revenue sharing would greatly reduce the value of the team. This again would force the owner to either raise prices or sell, to someone who would raise prices.


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    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Or think about it this way. In classic microeconomics, a tax causes the supply curve to shift to the left, which increases the price of the good.

      Revenue sharing is exactly like an excise tax (except it’s imposed by the league rather than the govt.).

      Look at figures 4.6 and 4.7 here:

      http://spot.colorado.edu/~kaplan/econ2010/section4/section4-main.html

      With hockey prices being relatively inelastic, the effect of revenue sharing is like the effect of a 50 cent cigarette tax (Fig. 4.7). The entire cost of the tax is borne by the consumer.

      Even if demand isn’t inelastic (Fig 4.6) you can see that some of the cost of the tax is still borne by the consumer.

      So in sum revenue sharing to send more cash to Tampa and Columbus will essentially be borne by the fans of wealthy teams, notably Montreal and Toronto.


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  40. frontenac1 says:

    Gomez este Muy Macho! Viva Gomez!! Ah sh*t ,I hate Tequilla…. Look what it just made do!

  41. Un Canadien errant says:

    The Canadiens announced today that they had signed left winger Blake Geoffrion to a one year, $800 000 contract. This is a bargain basement deal, and I guess Mr. Geoffrion and his agent thought that they could greatly improve his bargaining position with a strong showing next season, and preferred a shorter term. Let’s hope he’s focused on training like a madman this summer, to become the type of player his Hobie Baker Award and bloodlines suggest he can become. The team is devoid of depth at the left wing slot, so retaining his services was a no-brainer.

    The thing about Blake Geoffrion is his skating needs a lot of work before he’s a true NHL caliber player. I’m not the best judge of these things, but in some games on the plasma last season his skating stood out he was so slow, and I usually only notice for guys like Hal Gill and Derek Boogaard. I see prospect reports say he’s a good skater and has good mobility, but when I saw him play he was chugging like Ryan Walter or Stan Smyl. Nothing against those two stalwarts, but they were the slowest guys in the NHL when active, and had to bring a lot of other qualities to become the quality NHL’ers they were. Unless you can snipe goals like Luc Robitaille, especially these days, you need to be able to skate.

    Another consideration is that once he’s played three more NHL games it will make him waiver eligible. The Canadiens don’t have a lot of flexibility in terms of calling him up. If they do play him for three games, they can’t send him back down without risking losing him, so they may not take the chance unless he plays lights out for half the season and/or they are ravaged with injuries and have no other options.

    A lengthy lockout only strengthens the likelihood of his spending a full season on the farm. A factor to consider is that all AHL teams will be stronger with a lockout, with the NHL sending down their young prospects that might normally make the big league, so the competition should be even fiercer than usual, and Hamilton will be a great proving ground for him and the other young Canadiens.

    So with these things in mind, I wouldn’t be surprised if he was kept in Hamilton all of next season, to work on his skating, his game, get tonnes of minutes in all situations, provide some ‘veteran’ presence for the AHL newbies, maybe develop a rapport with likely future Glorieux like Louis Leblanc and Brendan Gallagher like David Desharnais and Max Pacioretty did. He can try to lead a young but talented Bulldogs squad deep in the Calder Cup playoffs, valuable experience for a player, as we remember when the Sherbrooke Canadiens won the Calder Cup and in the next couple of seasons sent players to Montréal who were instantly effective.

    2013-14 would be his chance to make the team, when he can see if he can wrest a roster spot away from Petteri Nokelainen and/or Colby Armstrong. If he can’t, the Canadiens can re-evaluate his future with the team then.

    ———————————————————————–
    June 22: Alex Galchenyuk [x]
    June 23: Stefan Matteau, Mike Matheson, Martin Frk, Brandon Whitney
    June 2429: Travis Moen [x]
    June 2627: Mathieu Darche
    June 26: Ryan White
    June 30: Alexei Emelin
    July 1: P.A. Parenteau, Taylor Pyatt
    July 3: Shane O’Brien
    July 52: Carey Price [x]
    July 6: Lars Eller
    July 9: P.K. Subban
    Sept. 15: Training camps open
    Oct. 11: Puck drop, Canadiens vs. Senators

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    • Cal says:

      Geoffrion’s skating is AHL. His skill level is AHL. He will be an AHLer barring the amount of injuries the Habs had last season.

    • boing007 says:

      The way he played last season sure didn’t say much about the value placed on a Hobie Baker Award winner.

      Richard R
      Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

    • HardHabits says:

      Now I know why you write Mr. in your diatribes. It’s because your last name is many a man’s first name. So when people call you by your last name without using mister it is possibly a common occurrence for people to assume that your last name is your first name, which is erroneous. So by using “mister” when you are addressed by people using you last name people might distinguish that it isn’t your first name.

      Am I correct Mr. Norman?

  42. Un Canadien errant says:

    I’m going off the board here with a basketball comment, a sport I abhor, but it’s impossible to avoid knowing about this if you read Sports Illustrated. Asked to comment on the Houston Rockets’ offer sheet to fan darling Jeremy Lin, Carmelo Anthony chose to kneecap his current teammate thus: “It’s up to the organization to say they want to match that ridiculous contract that’s out there.”

    Jealous much, you doughy overhyped douchebag? Maybe if you tried half as hard as Jeremy Lin had to to get to the NBA, and if you actually cared about your conditioning and worked on your game, and tried to lead your teammates to a championship instead of pouting until you get traded to a major market, you wouldn’t feel so insecure. But have a good time on the Dream Team. I’m sure you’ll be a Titan against Senegal, but whine when an Argentinian plays you the tiniest bit tough.

    Looking back, Andrei Kostitsyn wasn’t so bad, I wonder why we ever broke up…

    • Dust says:

      it is a ridiculous contract to offer a player that hasn’t even proved himself.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        …and it’s not his teammate’s place to say so.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        The revenue stream that Lin could bring to a team with a large Asian fan base is huge. If the Toronto Raptors were at all intelligent they would have offered this contract to Lin. The one game Linsanity played in Toronto was bonkers, sold out in a heartbeat. The jersey sales, the ticket sales and the extra concessions will easily cover his salary.

    • habsfan0 says:

      Speaking of basketball..Raptors vs Knicks..October 17..Bell Centre..10 days before summit game

    • H.Upmann says:

      I enjoy watching basketball, almost as much as Habs hockey… Not a Knicks fan or hater, but Melo is a classless POS. And I agree, the guy has no work ethic. Lots of talent, but its obvious he’s in it for himself. Lin has been nothing but class and finding positive things to say about Melo, even when Melo has made sure that the team revolves around him. Lin is a team first guy, and though he still has a lot to prove, I wish him the best and hope he finds success in Houston.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      I don’t follow the sport much, but the salary they are offering ($8M/yr for 3 years) is actually not that outrageous if he’s as good as he was this year (in only 35 games mind you).


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