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It’s also hard to believe that people would rather finish 19th overall than 27th overall, especially in a year when they are not even fighting for the last few spots.
A missed-playoff is a missed-playoff, in much the same way as “the season isn’t a success unless you win the Cup.”
The crux of the issue is getting your head around being OK with the losses. It doesn’t necessarily mean wanting to lose, just recognizing that long-term good can come out of losing.
Listen, let me break it to you like this:
if MTL ends up winning the lottery and Yakupov is lighting the lamp for us in two years’ time, will you actually remember some 5-3 loss to the Hurricanes in mid-February of 2012? I didn’t think so.
I’m not saying that I’d rather finish 19th overall rather than 27th. And I’m not saying that we will make the playoffs, but we’re still not mathematically out of the race, therefore these players will not stop playing and wait for the draft day. Hoping for the team tanking is pointless, since no player on that team will give up.
I realize that there can be an upside to losing. I also realize that a missed-playoff is a missed-playoff, as you stated, so might as well get a good pick… That I understand.
What I don’t understand and what bothers me is people whose 99% of their posts is rooting for their team to lose.
I get it. I get the point. But tanking won’t happen. It won’t because the ones who actually control the game (i.e. the players) won’t let it happen. So might as well cheer for them and stop hoping they screw up and lose every night.
Maybe you spend more time here that I do but I honestly don’t see people who post 99% of their stuff about wanting the team to lose. I actually rarely see anyone posting anything to the effect of “I want the team to lose.”
Nash will give his list. The usual suspects. NY, Detroit, LA, Pitts., Boston, Philly. You know the ones. They will get 3 nobodys and a 1st, who will be gone in 2 years. It’s the way of the world. Teams like Atlanta and Columbus just can’t get it together. Hope we do soon so we can be one of the chosen ones.
Not sure if it was mentioned but everyone was focusing on Kaberle as the goat of last night, rightfully so, but Gill made another brutal blunder that cost us the 4th goal.
We were killing the penalty, the puck lands on Gill’s stick behind the net and he had all the time in the world to launch it down the ice but yet again his clearing attempt was PATHETIC! The Carolina defenseman easily stopped it at the blue line, an Atom hockey player could have cleared it, and Carolina scored about 20 seconds later.
I can’t count the amount of times Gill has failed to clear a puck out of danger. Drives me nuts!
There are compelling arguments against tanking. But you lose credibility when you say that a #1 or #2 pick is not worth that much.
The argument that Nash or Kovalchuk never won the cup is bogus – it’s a team game. And unlike football, no one position is important enough to guarantee success.
If someone says would you rather have the #2 or #7 pick in the upcoming draft and you answer “I don’t care” then you are using the logic of climate change deniers.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.
I guess the thing for me would be the value of this year’s number 1 and 2 picks. We’re not talking Ovi, Kovy or Crosby-like talent here. Then again, I suppose just obtaining the right to pick first or second doesn’t mean a team has to take either of the top two rated picks.
So are these two top picks guaranteed super stars? Because the 3 guys I mentioned above were guaranteed, no question.
I don’t think good picks hurt teams at all.
But I find it ridiculous that some people think that #2 pick = Cup. Because that’s what some posts are all about.
And you are right, hockey is a team game, so even if we get a very good draft pick for a year, doesn’t automatically mean we are getting to be a successful team. As for losing on purpose to get a high pick… Not exactly what I would call a good strategy.
To properly develop a pick takes approx 2 maybe 3 years in the minors, if not more.
The better analogy is “sign smarter” although the contracts being thrown around the league for anyone half decent is insane.
Don’t let the wultures getcha.
Disagree, proper development depends on the player.. do you think Stamkos was not developed properly because he began playing in the NHL out of junior? RNH? Crosby? Ovechkin?
Proper player development is much more complex and differs from player to player.
You’re right, it’s a case by case basis, but I’m saying as a generalization, it takes time to properly develop players.
Yeah, but we’re on the verge of having an AMAZING team. It’s strange, when you think about it, but the difference between the greatest hockey team and the worst isn’t that big when you get right down to it. So draft picks help you in a few years. But it’s the top 50 picks you gotta look at, because not all number one picks fare well, and not all fiftieth picks disappear without a trace. Also, David Desharnais was never even drafted, so you can NEVER tell. I say the Habs push through until the end of the season, and make the best of the draft picks they get.
I would suggest that the vast majority of posters on this site are aware that a Cup is never guaranteed, regardless of the quality of the pick. I haven’t seen a single person imply or state this.
Of course not but reading some comments you’d think that I have drawn a straight line and connected the dots from Tanking = High Pick = Instant Stanley Cup. It’s as disingenuous as suggesting that I have advocated throwing games. But whatever.
There is no single position in football that guarantees success. I’d say one player has even less impact in football than hockey. Where is the worlds best QB without a left guard? In the hospital.
Here’s a change of subject……Nash has agreed to a possible move from Columbus.
Please discuss so we don’t have to read the same old crap from HH, LA, Dorval Tony, Twilight Hours, and Hobie who obviously are bored again!!
I think he should stay in Columbus. They could get better.
You’d think they would year 12 into their Tanking, wouldn’t you? Not necessarily so.
Nash is what, an 8 million/year guy iirc? Scotty Gomez’s contract prevents any chance of Nash coming to Montreal, and I really doubt that Columbus would take Gomez in return.
How about if we sweeten the deal with Kaberle? ;-D
McGuire for GM!
Roy for Coach!
Sh*t for Brains!
DO IT PG!!!!!
Sounds too good to be true, getting rid of both of them in one shot.
Well, you know… Apparently there is SOME interest for Gomez (www.canadiens-montreal.com), so… everything is possible! Nash in Montreal would just be insane, especially if Plekanec can remain to centre him, with Bourque on the other wing…
Tell you what, if Gauthier trades Gomez come deadline time, it’s a sign of the impending apocalypse, lol!
The Kings may want him for Penner +. For sure, Nash isn’t coming to Montreal.
HOW long can players like COle and GOrges continue to give 110% every night until they get frustrated by seeein gtheeir efforts get washed away by one lazy mistake by the same culprits.
I support Scott Gomez’s forced retirement.
Good topic PT. While I never engage in trade speculation or line suggestions the mere thought of Nash as a Hab is enticing. If there was a deal that could be struck that does not involve selling our top players, higher ranked farm hands or our souls then Nash would be just the thing for this team. Tough one to do with those restrictions.
His contract is quite a beast though, 6 more years at 7.8 millions, and his actual salary increasing just about every year.
I mean c’mon, do you really NEED your soul Punkster?
Hell, I haven’t used the damn thing in years. Why not let someone else have it?
Please… stop the madness. I mean it’s fun to play the ‘what if’ game with a guy like Nash, but it feeds the other mouthbreathers here as a potential reality.
Like those who point their sharpened fingers at Gomez like it’s his fault that we won’t get him.
I wonder if Nash will get a LeBron style hour-long “The Decision” special… ugh…
Nash has seen his production decline every year since his best year 2008-2009.
Even that year he was only 18th in scoring in the NHL (same number of pts as Mike Ribeiro).
This year he’s on pace for 26 goals. He leads the league in minus (-22).
At $8M/yr – I don’t think he’s a great deal. I certainly wouldn’t give up the farm for him.
Also the fact that he wanted to stay in Columbus says something about his drive to excel.
Say what you will about Kovalchuk and Hossa – at least they had ambition and left Atlanta.
I don’t think we can let it end there, though. Nash has the potential to be a great player. With a team like the Habs, on the verge of great things – and combined with the departure of Gomez… I’d consider taking Nash on.
Didn’t we sound like that before we got Gomez and how Gomez was supposed to be the answer to the lack of scoring and perhaps even a cup?
I say go young, buy young, buy big, buy heavy, stop this insanity of having a formula 1 of hockey, like as if formula 1 cars can survive the demolition derby that the NHL has become.
I like Nash, but I think I would pass on him because the Bluejackets would most likely want Subban, Pacioretty and maybe a pick in this year’s draft.
That team (Columbus) has made so many bad decisions they are going to be asking for the world for Nash.
They are a prime example of how losing every single year has gotten them nowhere.
Add about 24 other teams on the list too.
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There was a rumor Callahagn, US prospect + 1st from Rags… if that happens I will await the 17 hour Doug MacLean rant on Sportsnet.
Could you imagine that?
he’s signed at 7.8m until 2017/18. he’s probably good for 60+ points a year. maybe more on a good team and he can hit. i’d take him.
Schultz is sent back down, so that shoots down the theory that Habs were toughening up for the Bruins.
Weber is practicing in a no contact jersey. Moen is still out.
4th line of Gomez, White AK, ugh.
i guess that means they’re playing palushaj again. that doesn’t seem smart.
Before anybody thinks Rick Nash could potentially come here? Think about what we would have to give up, on a team that will most likely be apart of a 2 year rebuild plan.
Pacioretty, First Round Pick, (Likely top 5-7) and Beaulieu/Tinordi.
That is a steep price for a player given the Chemistry of the CDP Line.
Pacioretty has more points and goals than Nash. If PG is stupid enough to pull off a trade like that, then he needs to be publicly stoned to death.
Right outside The Bell Center.
Of course, the CDP line is untouchable. Bourque and Pleky and maybe Gionta should remain. Eller and LeBlanc HAVE to stay. Blue line could be lightened, but no one needs to come in. The young just need to make their bones. If a NASH trade involved any of them, I’d turn it down in a heartbeat.
Kaberle and Gomez will bring zero in return. No team would trade a 5th round pick for either one of them. No team would take the for free!
Even if they don’t make the playoffs, and they probably won’t, it isn’t because we are worse than the Maple leafs or Senators.
If this team had the entire season, or even half, in front of them they would easily make the playoffs. They just hit a massive pot hole to start the season and they’ve just recently recovered. The only problem is that they’re going to run out of games..
We are stuck with big contracts going into next year that we can’t get rid of. Gomez will be gone, no doubt, but it won’t be from a trade.
If we bring back Kostitsyn that leaves us with 9 talented forwards. Gionta, Bourque, Cole, Pacioretty, Desharnais, Kostitsyn, LeBlanc, Eller and Plekanec. Put White Moen and another tough guy on the 4th and we’re golden.
Markov will be back next year and Subban will be passed his softmore jinx. Kaberle has his bad nights but is a usually decent enough. Plus Gorges, Emelin and hopefully a tough stay-at-home defenseman to replace Gill.
Add on of the best goaltenders in the World, Price, and you’ve got a good team.
We can finish at the bottom and get a good pick sure, but we should keep what we’ve got except dump Gomez to Hamilton.
Florida took Brian Campbell’s massive contract from Chicago for Olesz and Campbell’s rebounded as a Panther…
Just sayin’, Gomez could be moved but more as a contract dump a la Theo for Aebischer
Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are pukes.
Campbell doesn’t suck though.
I agree with Hobie on everything except on D. This team has too many third pairing Dmen. Gill, Campoli, Kaberle, Diaz, Weber, there’s five #6 dmen. Add in Markov, the Great Now Unknown Quantity, and it’s a train wreck back there.
This is PG’s biggest mess. I like what the guy has done generally, but the D that he cobbled together for this year, the way he gambled with the D this year, I believe, is pretty significant grounds for dismissal.
Well, I just watched the Stall goal 3 x on replay.
Price blew it by not taking away the ice in front of him with his leg pad. Stall had nowhere else to go, there were no bets for Price to hedge, instead he made a lame poke check move and once he’d wiffed that it was over.
Price needs to make that play. Yes they may have collided if he had played it correctly, but Stall probable wouldn’t have scored.
I’m sorry I watched it, actually. Now I’m pissed.
And just for the record, Gomez made a decent play from behind the Carolina net to throw it into the crease. Nice effort.
Never should have gotten to that point. A bad non-pinch by Kaberle in their end, a bad outlet by Kaberle from our end, and bad defense by (you guessed it) Kaberle to let Staal walk.
Sheesh, 4 days ago Eller did the exact same thing to Phaneuf and the message boards lit up with how much of a pylon Phaneuf is. Yet people will defend Kaberle? It hurts my brain.
as the team’s been winning they’ve slowly been giving him more ice time. he played 17:40min last night. i guess that’s the breaking point. he shouldn’t be playing more than the first wave of the PP and maybe a few more shifts.
are there any sites that keep stats on individual players turnovers? i feel like he gives up the puck a lot, but i’m not an objective source. i need confirmation.
Watch it a couple more times….
D’ya see the guy wearing #22? Yeah, the one who looks like he was shot as E.S. skated by. Well, we’re stuck with him for a couple more years @ 4.25.
Now THAT should make you pissed!
Did washington win the lottery at 4th place when the got Ovechkin
I think they were 3rd from the bottom that year.
Will everyone please stop talking about Halak. You can’t compare him with Price. They have different teams playing in front of them. Also, if you love Halak so much buy a Blues jersey and cheer for them, all Halak won Montreal was two rounds in the playoffs. GET OVER IT!
The one here hasnt even won two rounds and is being called best in the world, hows that for logic?
[Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.
I have a Blues Halak jersey and although I loved his performance in the first two rounds of the ’10 playoffs, I knew he wasn’t the guy for this team and got called all kinds of things for backing Carey Price way back in the HABS Inside/Out Halakian vs. Priceberg days…
Anybody who brings him up now is just trying to stir the sh*t.
Price would have about 25 shutout playing behind Hitchcock’s low Shots Against defensive system, hell, Hitch made Pascal Leclaire a 10 shutout guy and Steve Mason a Calder winner in CBJland.
Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are pukes.
Price didn’t have 25 shut outs playing behind JM’s low shot defensive system, so your logic there is a bit wonky.
No one is asking Price to get 25 shut outs. I”m asking him to stop Stall’s goal last night, which, as I’ve explained elsewhere herein, he should have.
That’s more playoff rounds Price.
I am not sure how to post links here but can someone please tell me if this redirects them to the youtube video :
Milbury could make a hot air balloon fly just by talking into it.
Pleks went down like a soccer player.
Doesn’t matter. Head was clearly the primary target. 3 games but you subtract 3 games for what I am calling the Hab exemption
to Joey Barrie re Ducks
We don’t disagree that much. I was only talking about this year. Ducks minus Selanne and Saku and cap problems from their stars… they are going to have depth issues and cap issues.
As for us, I think we are on a knife edge right now. IF we flush out the last of the Bob Rebuild ™ and the Gauthier patchwork and most of our kids work out, I think we are only 2-3 players out from being competitive.
Essentially, we’ve lost a year. Martin should have been fired after last year’s playoff loss to Boston, and Gomez (at a minimum) should have been bought out or whatever over the summer.
That would have sent a clear message that mediocrity and floating are not good enough.
Jaro’s sixth shutout of the year http://blues.nhl.com/club/boxscore.htm?id=2011020833 and he’s now 4th best in the league. http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.htm?fetchKey=20122ALLGAGAll&sort=goalsAgainstAverage&viewName=goalsAgainstAverage
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Steve Mason could put up stats that good playing behind the Blues defence and a team buying into Hitchcock’s system. Halak may not have been as bad as his stats last year, but he wouldn’t be this good almost anywhere else. You think he’d be putting up shutouts like that playing for the Habs? Get real
I don’t recall ever hearing Gomez having trouble at practice. Seems like not only fans are getting frustrated these days.
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That was really an extraordinary exchange of words between Gomez and Ladouceur, a clearly heated one. You don’t see that often”
Ladouceur a hurlé à Gomez, qui a bousillé un exercice. Et Gomez lui a répondu… Ladouceur n’était visiblement pas content.”
“Je me souviens pas d’avoir vu une telle prise de bec entre un assistant et un joueur. Et Cunneyworth n’est jamais intervenu.”
EDIT: I’m not trying to stir sh!t up, I know this always happens in practice. Just surprised Gomez reportedly talked back to Ladouceur, we don’t see that quite often.
Didn’t know Gomer spoke French
Ladouceur is a coach that yells alot.
I think we’ll get alot of those reports from practice.
I think so too. But I also think players should stop yelling back at him, though!
Well, at least they are communicating.
I think it’s a good sign, actually. Especially from Gomez, who can be a bit laissez-faire. Possibly the first time some fire’s come out of him since he signed here.
—Hope Springs Eternal—
True. I was actually wondering if that was a good sign or not. Although I don’t think coaches consider this as a good thing, I agree with you, it differs from Gomez’s usual laisser-aller attitude.
Yeah, yelling at a coach = bad thing.
Passion = good thing.
Let’s hope that fire stays lit, and that he doesn’t make a habit of talking back.
He’s probably mad tat he is only getting 7m of ice time when he is so hot.
Depends on what the argument was about. If Gomez was dogging it as I suspect he was itshould spell the end of Gomez days as a Hab. Put him in the press box.
HA – i tell my parents up front i will yell at times…. maybe the coaching staff should have a parents meeting so gomez’s and subban’s family knows there may be yelling at practice.
Like I wrote, I know there is yelling at practice. I know it’s no biggie. Just pointing out that Gomez is not the first player I would imagine talking back, that’s all.
Price has to be better. A LOT better.
Your joking right? The team in front of him was awful last night. The Habs have no chance of winning any night if Carey isn’t perfect. He didn’t stand on his head last night so they didn’t win, but he stopped 15 of 16 shots in the first and was the only reason the Habs were even in that game.
Ok! Ok! Can we not have the Habs wear their away whites when playing at home? This way they will not hopelessly suck when they play there…like they did last nite. You simply have to beat the teams below you or you are going nowhere in this league. Sell! Sell! Sell! I just hope they don’t blow the opportunity of getting the second pick.
We didn’t suck.
I hope they do blow that opportunity.
If for nothing else than to hear the lamentations of the posters who want us to do badly.
You *still* don’t get it.
Neither do you, apparently.
Well I know I want the best for this team, and I just really don’t think a 2nd pick would lead them that far. Where have good picks lead teams like Carolina, Edmonton… ? Nowhere, as we speak.
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think good draft picks will hurt a team, but I don’t feel like it will help as much as many people think.
so, the habs lost another game they should have won…i’d like to vent alongside many other fans this morning…
i can say that mood is as low as the centinennial season, after a quick first round exit. or that of the mid-90s during the reggie fool/mario tremblay circus. to me, the low hit when i saw the habs get pummelled by the flames 7-4 during the centennial…it was just bad hockey to watch.
since the team’s blowup, i really find that it has no identity. prior to that, you could point to koivu of kovy…now? i find it hard to say; perhaps just price?
the team has been total jeckyll and hyde: losing to teams that they shouldn’t, and then beating a streaking NYR or BOS team. i don’t understand the consistency of this team.
i feel the problems stem from the top. correct me if i’m wrong, but gauthier said markov would be ready for the start of the season. that came and went. the kaberlae band aid worked for his first game, but more importantly, it eats up valuable cap space!
the gomez contract hinders the team! buy him out!!! free up cap space for a more useful asset.
we have a number of rookies playing and this, plus the play of price, cole and the maturing of DD, maxp and eller are the few highlights of this season. unfortunately, the vets on the team have let the team down (with the exception of TP who shows up most nights).
i think AK is on his way out. he will go on to score 30 next season.
as i’ve posted a few times before, it’s the system that mtl plays, and i don’t think many of us will live to see the next hab who scores 50 or is a 100-point player.
My tradeables include (not in any particular order):
– nokelainen- moen
– AK (never thought i would say this as i was a big fan)
would love to hear your feedback…
Gio won’t be traded. He’s injured and the captain.
Gomez probably won’t be traded, but maybe sent down to the minors.
Darche won’t be traded but I don’t know if he’ll be back next season.
Kaberle is here for the long haul.
Weber and Palushaj are going to be solid in a couple seasons. Give them time.
Noke, I forget he’s on the team most of the time.
So really our tradable assets are Moen, AK, Campoli and Gill. I don’t think AK or Campoli will get traded. That leaves Moen and Gill.
Don’t get excited about trade deadline day. It’s way over hyped and always a letdown. Most anti-climactic day of the year
if you are talking trade before the deadline then a few of the above are hurt and will not be movable (weber, gionta, maybe moen).
every org has a darche, nokie, palushaj – unless some other team sees something in them they will not get moved
i could see campoli getting moved for some insurance depth but what is he worth really? a 6th round pick?
noone will take gomez for the 2 years left
that leaves AK46 – man i want him to be good… and at times he is…. but makes so many bad plays. if i were PG i’d offer him $2.5M a year for 3 years.. if he says no then sell him to the highest bidder
14 would bring a good return, but all the frenchman on here are so in love with him, the site would shut down if he ever was…I personally would trade the lazy little smurf pronto…along with 46….good riddance to both of themand throw the spokesman in with them both …Darche….waste of a roster spot that he is, or give him the captain’s C and send him to the dawgs where he’s always belonged anyhow….pppfffttt !!!
take your drink to the end of the bar buddy…come on now, don’t be a fool…
Rick Nash is available, and I think we have the chips to get him: Pleks, Gallagher, Diaz, 2012 1st, 2013 2nd
He doesn’t want to come here
You spoke to him?
Guys like that never want to come to Montreal. Come on Tony. Just going by the track record.
yep, his parents live in Brampton, run into ‘em at Sports Unlimited
You my friend are coocoo! you are giving up arguably our most valuable player on the roster, our most promising forward prospect, a cheap and reliable all star D, a top 10 draft pick and a 2nd round for an aging player past his prime???
To be fair, Nash is only 27.
Still I don’t like the proposed deal either.
NYR are offering Callahan a 3rd line player with 6 goals, a college player and their 1st, 27 place possibly. You want to give that?
Trading Callahan would be a huge mistake at this point.
I´d do it to get Toews or Kopitar! Rick Nash? Good player but completely overrated here. With the decent wingers we have I would probably not do a straight Nash for Plekanec trade.
Milbury showing once again why he is ALL CLASS:
we have a better chance at making the playoffs then nash coming to MTL
I support Scott Gomez
How many of you are back on the Tankwagon™ now? I’ve personally never gotten on except for maybe using it to carpool to work a few times.
Personally, I prefer the Delusionwagon™ as it lets me believe that we’re going to win it all. I’m wearing my habs cap proudly today.
ALSO, if others are willing to join the cause I am open to alternate names for our ride to glory. Tankwagon™ is catchy but we are winners, we can do better.
Can someone just enjoy hockey without wagonning?
The only tank I like is Tanqueray.
Horse and buggy-ing?
I usually enjoy hockey in a couch, so maybe couching?
Have a drink you’ve invented a verb!
that is dirty LA you stole his trademark on a spelling technicality!
I did? I was just encouraging him — admittedly not necessarily a wise move here on HIO ™
Maybe I just like making the ™ sign
Use it freely.
When it’s going well you’re picking up speed and having the ride of your life
When it’s going badly, it’s all downhill
10 games ago Montreal was in 12th place 9 points out of a playoff spot having played one more game than the 8th place team. Now they are in 11th place 7 points out of a playoff game, having played one more game than the 8th place team. So after their longest win streak of the year, they caught up two points. They gained one position in the standings but, the three teams tied for 12th place, one point behind them each have two games in hand.
The problem is not just that Montreal has not made any meaningful ground on 8th place, but that none of the non playoff teams have fallen further out of the race. The positive is that 10 games ago, it would have taken 93 points to make the playoffs, now it looks like 91 points will do it. 10 games ago Montreal needed to average 1.42 points per game to make the playoffs, now the need to average 1.44 points per game. To keep that place they need to go 7-2-1 over their next 10 games.
Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.
With three point games it is extremely hard to make up that many points in such a short time. This team won’t make the playoffs unless they go on some insane winning streak and the teams in front struggle and lose in regulation.
Really though, I am a habs fan and love them but this season they do not deserve to be in the playoffs. The first half of the season they stunk and stunk badly
So we went from 12th to 11th, and gained 2 pts on the 8th place in 10 games. We have, what, 26 games left?
Let’s look at it the other way for that same 10-game period. We went from 11pts from dead last to 17pts from dead last. We also went from 4pts from 2nd last to 6pts from 2nd last.
It’s time to trade assets now, and get draft picks.
Fail to Fail for Nail
As disappointing as last night was, it was at least quite an exciting game. It’s just too bad they lost.
On the other hand, it’s kind of a “good” thing they lost as it reminds everyone (esp. management) that there are still team composition issues that need to be addressed this summer, and that certain players should still be traded irregardless of a nice win streak.
I am confused by your post.
Regardless means without regard.
Irregardless if it were a word would mean without without regard = with regard. Not sure what they composition issues are either, are you bothered that the human body is made up of about 60% water? Hopefully it means we should trade Thomas Kaberle back for Spacek after we invent a time machine and kidnap Mr. Gauthier.
I am quite happy with all of our young talent on the team, and in the pipeline though irrespectiveless of our being carbon based life forms.
This is a bit of a d!ck post.
The nerve of pointing out someone who points out that people are using fake words. “Is our children learning?” No.
GO HABS GO! 2011-12 is probably not our year!
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Hey man of all the guy’s on here Im the guy who hate’s poor grammar and spelling the most – particularly the shabby use of apostrophe’s. But it was still a ar$ehole way of saying it.
Yeah, but just a bit. His point is valid – irregardless.
ALWAYS Habs –
Honest mistake on my part. I tend to mix up irrespective and regardless. Oh well, my bad.
And by team composition I mean the defense is composed of too many “soft” puck moving defensemen even though I didn’t specify what exactly about the team composition I was referring to in my original post.
“It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”
Not such a big deal. Irregardless (although I dislike it) has been accepted and is included in the Oxfored English Dictionary for a few years now.
It is not standard (regardless is more apporpriate), but the English language is continually evolving and there isn’t much harm in saying irregardless anymore.
I thought the body was 95% water. I tend to mix up humans and watermelons.
Gallagher shows must be absolute effing nightmares for you then.
This is all we need to win the cup
ONCE A HAB, FOREVER A HAB!!!
I love that people are outraged by this loss. We have a right to be – the team stinks and a 4-game winning streak shouldn’t mask that fact.
Kaberle getting ripped? Keep it coming. He brings little to the team. I’d rather be giving his minutes to Weber – at least he’d be getting beat less in his own zone.
Bring back The Wiz! Send Gill, Campoli, Palushaj, Kaberle Gomez and future considerations for Nash andThe Wiz. Feel free to add a few more. Darche? ???
We are a team on the outside looking in. If you’re still coasting out there, then it’s time to move them. We have all seen the guys who won’t run out a ground ball because there is no glory in it and the guy who’s hair isn’t wet after a period. We can’t afford the players who won’t give the effort. We aren’t that good.
“The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.”
— William Arthur Ward
Its good to be optimistic; hope and faith can be a powerful thing. But the Good Ship Canadiens needs her sails adjusted.
The optimist thinks the glass is half full, the pessimist thinks it’s half empty, the realist takes the glass and drinks it.
” The pessimist complains about this team; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts his expectations.”
If you’re going to use an inspirational quote find one from an inspirational person, not an inspirational quote author whose claim to fame is simply writing inspirational quotes.
Fans around the league are starting to notice and appreciate MR.Emelin. Its probaly not long now until the media in Montreal start rumors about his immediate departure in a trade.
I support Scott Gomez’s forced retirement
You put it so politely.
I think of it more as a walk along the St. Lawrence with Bob, chained to a loaf of Bob’s bread. A last cigaret, a blind fold…
Problem is it’s impossible to drown Gomez. He’s too much of a floater.
Post allstar game they had to win 2/3 of their games. Assuming you carry the wings game over (why not), winning last night would have taken them to 6-3 over their last 9. They are now at 5-4. Huge difference, now they have to win 3 in a row to get back up to the required level (8-4). Every loss means gotta win 2 which explains why the “we’re in” / “we’re out” attitude.
Ducks have 3rd best record in the NHL since January 1 – and they are unlikely to make it (and they have actual talent).
New Jersey shredded the league last winter and spring and fell short, and they had Brodeur, Parise and Kovalchuk.
And us? We have Gomer Pyle getting power play time.
The level of delusion about this edition of Habs around here is more shocking than Boone’s shock at gas prices going up – and that’s saying something.
Tanque ™ and clean house. Otherwise, we are doomed to more years of mediocritude, and the good guys we have deserve a better fate.
Other than our former Captain Koivu, who do the Ducks have in talent that we cannot exceed or at least meet?
There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…
Excuse me? Is this a trick question? Perry (League MVP last year) Getzlaf, Bobby Ryan, Selanne, Fowler, Visnovsky, Hiller (when healthy) are you freaking serious?
Obviously they had issues internally early in the year, and they need some help on defensive D (Craig Ludwig/Rick Green type, as do we) but they have a much stronger scoring core than we do, and Hiller is just as good as Price (assuming both are healthy). He is quick as a snake.
Obviously next year is different, they may well lose Saku and Selanne to retirement, and that is huge (will Saku play one more year with his brother?).
Who on Habs offence would you possibly keep over Perry, Getzlaf and Ryan if you could choose?
We are at least 2 good forwards and one strong D away from being competitive.
I think we both know who your actual favorite team is.
Perry had a phenomenal year last season. Its doubtful MaxPac can equal him last season, but at 23 MaxPac numbers were not far off of Perry’s at 22. And as their best young player, I would take Price over him.
Getzlaf is a great player, I expect PK to be just as important to our team at the same age.
Ryan is a pretty good player as well, and young, but Cole has played just as well for us this season.
Selanne is 40. Unless they go to the finals this year, he has no business on the list.
Viznovsky is like Kaberle.
Hiller? Slightly above average goalie. He is healthy right now, and his numbers are average. He is 30 and Price ranks similar right now.
Perry, Getzlaf, Ryan, Fowler, and Hiller are going to have to carry the entire team in the next 3 years, and its going to be very difficult to keep em all. That being said.
Perry, Getzlaf, Ryan, Fowler, Viznovsky and Hiller.
MaxPac, Pleks, Cole, Markov, PK, and Price.
I think we are just as good, and the rest of our team makes us much more rounded. Considering we still have guys like Eller, LeBlanc, DD, Bourque, Gio, Gorges, and AK.
Each of the 4 top guys you mentioned are gonna be looking at Gomez money or more when the time comes except for Ryan. So unless they hit the finals next year. Its going to be a hugely different team. And by then they might have been forced to let one or two walk, or trade them away before the deadline.
I am not for cleaning house..just maximizing assets and looking to next eyar. I will be right on the bandwagon if we can string together a few but either way it is an opportunity for the team moving forward if we make the playoffs the youth get experience…if we miss em..we can gain some assets for next year, get a decent pick,etc….BUT…let’s be clear…we do not have Getzlaf, Bobby Ryan, Corey Perry or even Teemu Selanne on our team…or anyone who “meets” them. We have Pacioretty is who may end up being somewhat comparable to Ryan….even then that is a stretch. We are deeper though and one day Selanne will retire…but right now even he would instantly be our best offensive player…as would any of the other guys. The Habs rely on offense by committee though so apples and oranges.
No need to clean house. Before the season most of us predicted that we were more than capable to finish in at least 6th, maybe even win the division. We have a lot of youth that is still developing. We can tweak the team a bit; drop a couple contracts, bring in a couple new ones. In my opinion we are three players away from strong contention: #1 center, top 6 scorer, shutdown center. Other than that we just need to stay healthy and develop.
That’s funny, I was trying to say the same thing only I went blah, blah, blah… need less coffee.
So let me get this straight…
People who are upset about our loss last night: did you really think we would win all the remaining games in the schedule? Is that what you really thought?
Well then I’m not surprised you’re disappointed.
I hope you don’t have expectations like that concerning other aspects of your lives, because the world will surely seem like one massive let-down after another.
Streaks come to an end.
Now we get to see what we’re really made of: Will we be able to bounce back and win the next game? If not, can we put together another streak right after? If so, we’ve got the focus, confidence, and determination to make the playoffs.
If we don’t, we don’t. Have a beer.
A very bipolar bunch, Habs fans.
At least it was a fun game to watch for the most part.
TWO BEER ONE BIG GLASS
GOMEZ GOMEZ GOMEZ
like don cherry says always stroke your stick
You support Scott Gomez? And admit it in public? Does he owe you money? What?
COuld be his lover.
He’s still more likable than you.
He’s a troll.
So, now can we stop this crazy “let’s make the playoffs” talk before it costs us more places in the draft? What will it take for management to snap out of beer-selling mode and into team-building mode?
Let’s make the playoffs!
Screw the draft!
Idiotic loser-reward system.
Play to win, if we lose, console yourself with the draft.
You mean, “console yourself with draft beer.” This “lose for years to become contenders” is just as pie-in-the-sky as win now. Always after 1 loss the tankards come out. They should drink more instead.
The draft should be done by having the GM that can finish a pitcher the fastest gets the first pick.
PG looks too me like he could be a closeted alcoholic. I think we might do well
We’ve kicked the idea around before, that the draft choices should be for the teams that miss playoffs in descending order, that way teams have incentive to finish as high as possible even if they are out.
The current system is just bad and makes the NHL look rinky-dink, dontcha think?
I think that’s a very good idea.
There is some possibility that teams who get high draft picks actually damage their chemistry by trying to build around these young kids. Let teams who finish at the bottom work their way up with consistency and good management.
A top draft is worth little if you can’t surround them with the right pieces. Ask Nash, Tavares, etc.
Instead of finding new ways to make the draft “fair”, just abolish it. It is completely unnecessary with a hard salary cap, limit on how many contracts each team can carry and guaranteed contracts.
OR make the owners and players richer and have a playdown for the 1st pick amongst the teams that miss the playoffs. Nothing like saturation to beat the hell out of this horse we call the NHL.
Dear Mtl Canadiens,
Please beat Boston to tie the season series. You are about to cost me three bottles of rum in a little over a year.
Once again, it is my idea. Let us not forget that.
It is based on the writings of my avatar, who spent his life attacking systems that rewarded failure (Christian morality mostly).
You can fight the system, but successful teams learn to work with it. The Habs clearly have not.
What is wrong with the loser reward draft system? Seems every other sport of consequence uses the same idiotic system? how do you propsse things go? The Bruins get Yakupov because they won? This makes no sense…parity is and should be the objective of any sport. Unfortunately the sport with where the draft is the most meaningless as the success rate of even first rounders is low is baseball and they have no cap so the rich get richer despite the draft….great system….
I disagree that parity should be the aim of every sport.
I also don’t think the winning team should get the first pick.
I think there should be a completely random assigning of picks.
Why not? It gives every team equal access to young talent.
Look at Chicago and Carolina, they won the Cup but missed the playoffs the next year because they couldn’t hold onto their players. A good draft pick would have helped them.
Well….sport is business and the NHL wants (ina perrfect world)all franchises to be sustainable and that is about the best possible means of achieving that objective. I have no objection but one thing I do not like is that teams sometimes go on tanking runs..I would be for implementing something like that if you pick in teh top 5 the following year if you finish low again you must drop at least 2 slots or something like that….the suggestion about the lottery amongst the non playioff teams is interresting but you have to help the very bottom end teams somehow or you create a hole they will never leave
I sincerely think that the Habs are going to win the cup this year. If I’m wrong, feel free to publicly stone me. If I’m right, prepare to hear about it for the next 6 years.
We’ll be hoisting the cup in 2012!
You are one brave fellow!
I’m a HABS fan not a Leaf blower.
man puff puff pass not puff puff puff puff
Win 4 in a row, we believe… We CAN make the playoffs.
Lose 1, season over. Sell em all, get a new coach, GM, owner. (is there anything that you like about this team?)
Gomez scores, he is on the up, gonna do great.
Gomez doesn’t, its back to retire and die.
Fickle, fickle fans. How many of you would or DID jump over to the Nordiques in 1993???
Nothing has really changed. We still have a good team. If we miraculously go 4-1 every five games for the rest of the season, we will be in a great spot. We should try to remember that.
3 PP goals in 2 games and 4 wins in 5. Its been great lately for us.
After the season we are having winning 4 straight doesn’t mean anything… If the Lord himself graces us enough W’s over the next few months to limp in to the playoffs the odds are low we will get through the next round, which in-turn our seating is pretty low on the draft scene. I am not saying tank the season, but our past 50 games tells the whole story…
Let me tell you something about ODDS in the first round of the playoffs.
The Nordiques in 1993 finished 2 points ahead of Montreal in the standings. Not exactly a colossal upset on Montreal’s part.
Stop making that much sense. It’s not allowed on here.
But don’t worry, if they win against Boston, they’ll be a good team again.
If they lose though… They’ll be a terrible terrible team.
Is a terrible terrible team a team that is so bad at being terrible that they are good? Because that could be the assessment of the Tank Brigade about the Habs’ past 4 games.
Uh… Now I’m confused. But you might just have discovered the Tankers deep thoughts!
I know. Even HH left the Tankwagon after the Leaf game.
yup, very well said. Everyone is looking for that 10 game winning streak. In reality (and I know time is running out), they have to look at it in 5 game increments, if they go 4-1 for the remainder of year (I know, I am delusional), they will make the playoffs.
Yeah, but they could have won last night and didn’t. Shame.
Even for a few shifts, I sure would have liked to see Schultz in the line up against Boston on Wednesday. Not necessarily to take on Thornton, Lucic, and Chara, but at least have him in the line up in case the game gets out of hand like last year.
We are not the same team as last year, so I don’t see it going in the direction like it did then. I think we know we can’t compete with Boston’s size (nor should we), we need to focus on our speed and play it out.
agreed. i don’t think boston sees us as a rival right now.
If we lose to Boston tomorrow night, are we sellers or still buyers.
Our back end is just so young and weak for us to get any traction in the standings. But I am enjoying watching this style of hockey games as the kids mature. Over what we had in the 1st half of the season. Next year, if things are done right, we will have a very exciting team to watch.
12 days before the trade dead line. I wonder if Gauthier will pull the string or wait until summer.?
Good morning Ian. Regardless of how the team fares tomorrow we should be sellers. Price, PK, Eller and Patches should be the foundation upon which to rebuild. There may be some defensive help in Jr.’s a few years away. The syretgy should be to shred salary and collect youngsters and picks. This current team is going no where.
I think you’re right. They should be sellers, but if they win I think the jury will still be out on if they will be sellers.
Morning James- I also think we have to move out a few of our players and replace them from our drafted players within. I also think we have a great opportunity to collect some 1st picks from this years draft. Might be the last time of getting a 1st over all pick for the next 30 years or so again .
We really need to be sellers, get some picks, build our youth and go from there. Detroit has built from within and that’s what we need to do. I am not saying get rid of people like Cole, as we need experience like that to teach out young bucks. We have ended up in the “middle of the pack” for years now so that’s where all of our picks come from (and yes, I do know we have some great prospects as well), but this is probably one of the first times I have hoped we tank out a bit more (as I don’t expect to make the playoffs) and get some young talent via the draft.
AK’s gone. I think that’s clear from last night. Palusha(sp?) was terrible and they still left AK on the bench. Bad move Randy.
Oh god yes. Oct to Dec was horrible.
Just need that extra 40-50 point player…..hmmm, who could that be?
I’ve been one saying the team should keep AK, but it’s hard to pump his tires after he gets under 5 minutes of ice time.
He definately could have worked harder in ending his shift and making a better pass.
I think he can play well, and could do a better job than say Paloosh out there.
But if the coach and management agree about having him play under 5 minutes, well everyone would be better off if AK is actually traded.
Gomez gets 2:20 minutes of PP, and plays with Pleks? I don’t get that.
I feel bad because RC’s been dealt some crappy cards but seeing Gomez out there on the power play I was asking myself “is he TRYING to throw the game”. I’m sure he wasn’t but at that point I would’ve believed it if a convincing argument could be made. And Palushi over AK? The guy has lots of hustle, but so do a lot of 9-year-olds. We looked lost in our own end too. I don’t know what the solution is but it was frustrating to see.
Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!
Maybe that’s the point. If you don’t want to hustle with your talent, then I’m going to play Darche and Gomez who do.
I might be biased on this, but it seems to me AK has been constantly demoted ever since he got moved to Gomez’s wing last season, to try and get Gomez to go. PP time diminished untill it was all gone, getting the lesser centers, less TOI etc…
He was working good on Eller’s line, but now he’s playing with Gomez again, what hope does he have?
So all I’m saying is if the coaching feels AK warrants only 4th line minutes and no special teams, well might as well try to get a return for him.
83 PowerPlay points in 4 seasons, I’m not sure why people are upset Gomez is on the PP. Usually in the top 3 on his team in PP points, why wouldn’t RC use him?
People really need to stop considering his salary when discussing his game. He is no where near worth his salary. But we are a better team with him on the ice. For more than 7 min.
No-one mentioned his salary but you Joey. Gomez has scored one goal in a year, and that includes a LOT of PP time. End of story. Players peak and then their performance dies off. If Gomez isn’t the poster boy for that I don’t know who is.
But he has not been the same as he was 2, 3 or 4 years ago.
His play as steadily declined, and he is not really creating much out there.
But if they really feel he deserves PP time, and can produce on the PP, why send him out with Pleks? It seems to me having 2 natural centers out there on the PP won’t help much.
The coach saw the lack of effort in the first few shifts and decided to sit their stale asses (AK46, Gomez). Hopefully next game , they, as professionals, come out flying.
He sat PK and Eller for poor performance, why not AK for the same reason. He sure can play a heck of a lot better than what he was prepared to do last night.
Ak wasn’t good in Toronto either.
Randy’s starting to act like JM. Makes you wonder if PG’s calling the shots.
PG strikes me as a guy who gives his coaches full control when it comes to what is happening on the ice.
Seeing as how Nash appears to be available, what would it take to get him in Montreal? (with the understanding that Gomez’ contract will either be buried in the AHL or will be bought-out penalty free in the summer)
Pacioretty, Leblanc and a 1st?
(The rumour du jour has NYR offering Duninsky, Kreider, and a 1st)
I loves me some Patches – but I’d trade him for Nash in a heartbeat.
He’s past his prime, and there is no way we should trade young talent for an older player like that, even though I love Nash.
Columbus would be losing their franchise player, and the price to replace him would be far too high.
I’m not sure, to be honest, that I would trade Pacioretty straight-up for Nash. Nash is definitely the better player right now, but he’s got a suitably massive long-term contract as well.
But Pacioretty is on pace for a 30 goal season this year, and throwing in a 1st round pick (which will be very high this year) plus Leblanc, who is more and more looking like a very good top-9 forward within 2 years, would be franchise suicide.
Nash has proven that he can’t carry a team to success on his own. He needs a supporting cast. Give away that much for him and you just put him into another situation where he will be forced to struggle.
All excellent points, but you’re forgetting one very crucial thing – I *really* like Rick Nash!
Nash has a no-trade clause and would probably waive it for a trade but I doubt Montreal is on his list… insane fans, insane media
I don’t think enough of us “fans” realize hoe poisonous the environment in MTL seems to be.
Where would you rather do your job, honestly? At a place that every action at work and away from work is scrutinized, or where you are completely anonymous all the time, and can play golf on your days off year round?
That trade would just be another quick fix and giving away the future.
According to Bob McKenzie, Nash will determine where he is traded to. He has a no movement clause and will only go to a team that he wants to. So forget Montreal. Besides there aren’t enough assets to give away for him. He would basically be going from a team with no hope to a team that gave up its future to acquire him. A lateral move at best.
You’re crazy. Columbus should be removed from the NHL.
Have an auction instead.
I wonder if it would be possible to make it mandatory to lengthen Kaberle’s stick I know it can;t but someone talk to the guy…a Gainey walk?). I am actually serious! I have never seen a dman with a stick like that in all of my life…it may have been ok when he was younger and quicker and a little more willing to engage physically but it makes no sense at all at his age, position and physicality level. For him to be effective defensively with a stick that short he needs to be closer to the opposing player yet instead he plays off of them becuase he is nopt quick footed enough anymore or phsyical enough….if he has a stick his own size I think he stops Staal on that play. I know it is often mentioned and joked about but it seriously needs to happen…many guys lengthen their sticks as they lose a step and for an aging dman who avoids the physical play who likely uses the shortest damn stick in the league ..perhaps ever relative to his height?(I have never seen one close anyway in my lifetime).
Don’t get me wrong I am one of the people who likes Kaberle…I love his presence of mind with the puck and appreciate what he does bring to the table but he is at the point of his career where this needs to be a serious consideration. If Sid the Kid can realize he needed more of a curve to become a more effective shooter when nobody else was scoring…then Kaberle can realize he needs a loonger stick to be a little more effective defensively….he will be able to make the adjustment..everyone can with a little work.
They could give him Chara’s stick but it still wouldn’t mask the fact that he’s not a very good hockey player.
yeah ok..do you play hockey? are you a forward? you don’t seem to understand the importance of a dman who can make a play and find you when he is supposed to. Last night our team went into the tank for aobut 5 straight minutes because noone could make a first pass and we repeatedly turned the puck over… it is extremly frustrating to play like that. Gill and Gorges may be ok defensively but I can’t help but notice the effect of the teams 5 on 5 offense and puck possession since their minutes and roles increased last season….let the attacks begin…but I believe it to be true. Safe is one thing but forfeiting possesson in unnecessary situations is way more impactful than faceoff possessions as the game is in motion and positions are scattered in anticipation.
Look, it’s great that you like the guy. I’m happy for you. But let’s not pretend that Kaberle is anything remotely close to the answer to the Habs’ blue line woes. You talk about “a dman who can make a play” – look what a spectacular play he made while the Habs were on the power play that resulted in the GWG against us. It’s not his first clusterf* since we acquired him either. He was a serviceable player who got all the reputation he has based on the fact that he was an above-average player on a mediocre Toronto team for many years. Now that he’s in the downturn (and it is a significant downturn) of his career, the fact that 3 teams found him expendable in less than a calendar year speaks volumes about his abilities to contribute to a team.
look it’s great you don’t like the guy…one team traded him at the deadline and got an incredible package for him, the other team won the Stanley cup with him and then he walked and signed somewhere else as a free agent….one team traded him for nothing….not 3. Or you could look at it that the Bruins, Canes and Habs have all seen him play his whole career and ALL wanted him in the last year as they all acquired him..but sure you see it your way and I’ll see it mine.
Please let’s not make it sound like he was a valuable contributor to the Bruins and their Cup run. He was lambasted by his own organization while he was still there and his ice time was less than any other blueliner during the Finals except for the rookie Adam McQuaid. In the most important game of the year he had the least ice time of any Bruin. Why? He was a non-factor and they all-too-happily let him walk. Carolina thought he might still have something left in the tank and they realized very quickly they were wrong so they found the first sucker that would take an offer for him…unfortunately that sucker was Pierre Gauthier committing his 3rd fireable offence of the season.
sigh….like I said you see it your way I see it mine…which comfortingly enough is the same way 3 organizations all saw it..two dumped him when their seasons were done (Carolina is looking to compleetely rebuild and teh LEafs were deadline) and 3 picked him up while in buying mode…you do the math…leading scorer amogn Bruin Dmen, plus 8, then signed for 4.25 million by a team that thought they may be a playoff team, then sold when they realized they were needing a rebuild and a vet like Kaberle for 2 more years amde no sense, then the Habs picked him up to try and help them make the playoffs…..obviously someone out there (many) view him as an upgrade and quite affordable at 4.25….
Apples and oranges, but I’m 6’6″ tall, and thusly a passable beer league defenceman because no one can get around me one on one, and if they try to put the puck through me to get me turned around, I let the puck go and keep playing the guy like he has the puck, but no contact. More often than not most 1 on 1’s and 2 on 1’s end in the corner.
A long reach makes up for a lot playing in your own zone, IMO.
Its kinda funny how short it is. But it makes his passes more accurate , so if he gets a longer stick, I don’t think his passing will be as good.
It is his smarts that make his passes effective…he has incredible visiona nd anticpation skills …the stick will not make a difference after a while. Crosby,Sedin, Datsyuk….their sticks are normal length..they pass alright…99.9 percent of players use a correct length stick….he will be fine. He started with a short stick and was good enough for years to get away with it..he is at the point now where he needs to make a change…I don’t think he should do it midseason but this offseason it has to be a priority for him…it will not affect him any way but positively if spends the summer using one.
Time and space are too valuable anymore and kaberle is giving up both tot he opposition…he is making a 5’10” player have the reach of a 6’4″ player and is making a 6’3″ player or large guy like Staal with speed virtually unstoppable.
I’ve been thinking the same for a while.
I agree on Kaberle’s stick. I thinks its why his shot sucks as well. The PP would be more dangerous if he shot more. He is not really a stick handler either, so I’m not sure why he likes it so short. And he is not a physical defensemen either so he really needs a great poke check to be effective when defending. The length of his stick should not effect his ability to move the puck as this depends more on how you think the game. I only see upside to your suggestion.
Rob, you may have just crossed into Don Cherry territory commenting on Kaberle’s stick deficiencies…
Still, hands down, the most awkward TV moment in history…
will check it out at home..I can’t get you tube at work!
The mediocracy / patheticness that the Habs have shown for the past few years is upsetting but can be attributed to normal ups and downs and league parity, you win some you lose some and hopefully you win more than you lose.
The lack of class that the organisation has displayed recently is totally unacceptable.
-Fire a coach just before the puck drop?
-Trade a player mid-game?
-Wait untill Halak comes to town to present price the Molson cup?
-Throw your “interim” coach under the bus the day he’s “promoted”?
-Give absolutely no recognition to Koivu, 2nd longest serving captain in team history, the day he finally makes it back to town?
-Give absolutely no recognition to Muller?
-The GM makes sure NOT to be in town when Muller comes back as coach (and for the 1st time that I can remember, makes sure to make it known that he’s in Washington)?
I’m sure I’m missing more examples, but come on.
Um, I doubt anyone noticed or cared that Price got the Molson cup when Halak was in town. I don’t think anyone cares about that award either.
How exactly was Cunneyworth thrown under the bus?
Wasn’t there a huge standing ovation for Koivu when he came back?
Why does Muller need recognition? He was an assistant coach, they come and go.
PG never made it known. The reporters did. And they let it be known everytime he’s in a different city. (He was in L.A last week, CGY a couple weeks ago, NY the week before that)
Cammy was pulled from the ice mid game so he wouldn’t get hurt. MTL wanted to burn another game on Bourque’s suspension and it was too late to healthy scratch him so they let him play. CGY then called and said lets get this deal done tonight, so they pulled him. No big deal.
I don’t think there is an ideal time to fire a coach. Wat difference does it make whether it’s before, after during, a game.
You’re brainwashed buddy.
Marc Denis even mentioned it on RDS as it was happening that the handing out of the Molson cup on the 3rd home game of the month was a bit offish, so yeah a lot of people noticed that.
Don’t forget that they never had Tom “The Bomb” Kostopoulos Appreciation Night on his first night back!
These are not examples of “classlessness”, a term that is bandied around far, far too often, and means only what the person using it considers it to mean, because it’s so vague.
1. They fired JM first thing in the morning. Not ‘just before puck-drop’.
2. Cammy was traded before the game, but they didn’t want to finalize the deal until the Calgary game had started so that it would count towards Bourque’s suspension, at which point, it made no sense to keep Cammy on the ice to get injured.
3. They present the Molson Cup at the first home game of every month or thereabouts, and everyone knows it’s meaningless.
4. It wasn’t the best timing for putting RC behind the wheel, but things needed to happen.
5. The management is not required to give anyone recognition, and I don’t think they should have. What did you want them to do, make an announcement and roll out the stock video footage of Koivu with “Wind Beneath My Wings” playing in the background? The fans did what they wanted, which was cheer for him. Done.
6. Muller needs no recognition. He was AC, then went elsewhere. Again, what, roll out the red carpet and give him a plaque and a ham?
7. You’re telling me that PG intentionally left town so as not to be here when Muller is here? What, is he worried that Muller would yell at him for letting him go be head coach somewhere else?
So, what have we learned?
A) Get your facts straight.
B) Some people will grasp at any straw, regardless of how thin, to ‘support’ pre-formed opinions on “class” and “classlessness”.
“give him a plaque and a ham”……Now that’s a classic!
As far as not recognizing Muller…hey we gave him 2 points. That’s more than enough. What are we going to do next, have an on ice ice ceremony for every player/coach/trainer/zamboni driver who decides to leave town???
Some people will find a conspiracy theory in everything.
One note – on Koivu’s return during the National Anthem the jumbotron faded to footage of Koivu’s return from cancer and the crowd went ballistic.
They gave him 2nd star (only because the OT Game Winner always gets 1st), and the crowd went ballistic again.
I’m also fairly certain there was at least one montage during a stoppage in play.
But is this mediocracy a product of the French or the English media? This is the critical question.
Once we know which media to blame, the medocrity of the Habs is sure to be a thing of the past.
(Just pulling your chain a bit… )
Would you want Matthew Bissonette signed? 36 goals, 40 assists in 53 games played. He’s a 6’4”, 200 lb 20 year old. He’s fourth in the Q in scoring and he is undrafted and unsigned. He may be benefiting from being on an unreal line (his linemates are 2nd and third in Q scoring). What say you?
Try him out in Hamilton. You can’t teach size.
Bissonette is a left handed center.
His linemate Zach O’Brien also appears to be unsigned. He’s got 45 goals, 43 assists in 51 games. He’s 5’10, 188 lbs. He’s second in Q scoring.
His other linemate is unsigned too. Sebastien Trudeau: 24 goals, 62 assists, 55 games. 5’9”, 183 lbs.
Sounds promising. He might be a late bloomer. But I believe he is still draft eligible until he turns 21, so they would have to draft him, I believe. Anyone know for sure?
I asked John Lu that question. He never responded.
I wish the season ended today. We are tied with the Ducks for the 26th in the league, when you look at the standing in winning%, factor in games played. We can still possible draft 1st overall if we win the draft loto.
I get a kick out the posters who cry “Get rid of Gomez, get rid of Kaberle, or this player or another…..” after each loss as if that is going to change anything this season. Throwing a tantrum is the best sure fire way of managing a team. Ha Ha. Boo Hoo Hoo…..your team lost, guess what? The same very team beat the Laffs last Sat and can very well beat the B’s on Wed. So get over it, grow up, and move on.
Some of these lil fellas are hilarious.
I enjoy their posts. Cheers me up that I’m not them.
best post i’v seen in a while
OK. I agree reactionary management will almost always lead to mistakes. But I gotta say firing a head coach the morning of a game, trading a player between periods, and telling the world the new coach’s hiring was a mistake because he lacks a French tongue ain’t a way to run an organization either.
That’s for sure, very odd moves.
After reading the posts last night from period to period, I got tired of the fans getting on and off the bandwagon. With the 3rd period coming, with our record, it was a tossup whether we would hang on. I just couldn’t read anymore. I’m pretty sure the handwriting is on the wall, brace yourselves, we are in for a bumpy ride at the trade deadline.
There were some classics in there. Always by the same people too. Too easy!
I am always logged off during games. The bipolar posts in here during games drive me nuts…
Last night was even more ridiculous than usual. I’ve never seen that level of irrationality and violent mood swings so many times in such a short time period.
Montreal has long had reactionary fans, but it was usually week to week or game to game. Now a player can be be a “first star,” then a “black hole,” and then back to star again. It has gotten to the point that people completely change their opinion shift to shift.
If that isn’t bipolar I don’t know what is.
Those people should be coaches.
They’re the ones that like McGuire. He does the same thing.
There are a lot of scouts in the seats these days.Was a good idea to show them that Andrei has a good attitude and you can nail him to the bench and he won’t make a peep. Unless they were just resting him for the playoffs. If they do decide to sell off players (which would be a terrible mistake IMO) he could be the most attractive. Mathieu Darche is just a horse. When he is out there skating around and around and around you just have to keep riding him. Another 18 minutes last night. There is no stopping this guy. Keep him happy because we are going to need him next season and if it means losing Kostitsyn so be it.
The talons are out today! You people are crapping on Kirk Muller now???
Take a look in a mirror as a Habs fan and look real long and through the bleu, blanc et rouge irrationality, you’ll maybe see exactly what is wrong with the Montreal Canadiens.
Some of you people seriously would eat your young, you’re the reason no established player, coach or GM wants to come here.
It’s understandable to vent after a stinger but the vitriol goes on and on past that.
Gomez this, Gomez that, Cunneyworth blah blah blah…
Yeah Muller’s team beat ours, they played hard and so did Cunneyworth’s team but the game turned on a soft brain fart by Kaberle on Staal’s tying goal. And yeah as soft as he is defensively, I watched him keep that puck moving in the ‘Canes zone pretty effectively too…
Ya win some, ya lose some…
AK looked like a rookie in his only 3 shifts of the game last night.
He can be a great player for us some nights. But other nights he either tries to do to much with the puck and gets it stripped away often. He could not dangle with the puck at all last night, he is a great shooter, and when he is into the game he can be deadly. He can hit when he wants to very effectively, but has chosen not to lately.
Look at the game he scored 3 goals this year. He was the most dominant player on the ice, but last night he looked like he was taking lessons from Jacques Martin again.
I also think that Cunnyworth was out coached last night. Looks very good on Kirk.
Probably felt like a rookie getting only three shifts….he can dangle..he is one of the best puck possession guys on the team. I prefer to have him dangling then Cole, Pacioretty, Bourque, Leblanc, Gionta, etc…at least AK is a dual threat to pass ro shoot….too many of our guys are far stronger in one element than the other. Dd passes too much so does Kaberle, Pacioretty and Cole are getting better at distributng the puck but both continually miss DD driving the middle wide open (probably because they are the only line to get consisetent time together).
I don’t understand this idea that because a guy has great games occasionally that it is a bad thing. With Kovalev he appeared to floating …in games Ak isn’t performing I don’t see that as his problem…he hits, he hustles and this year he appears to communicate with the kids. He will be a huge loss if we let him go..sure he can be replaced i suppose but we better have someone firmly in mind because with Ak you know what you get…20 plus goals, 50 points, someone who can play up and down the lineup, deliver crushing hits and occasionally win you a game singlehandedly.
I am not in anyway advocating for him to be moved, I am just saying he looked terrible last night, so he was benched!
He was terrible with Gomez last season as well. They shouldn´t be together on a line. AK has to play with Eller or Plekanec. Having a rookie and a 22-year old with 0 NHL goals on a line with a very capable center like Eller while Kostitsyn plays on the fourth line with Gomez is terrible coaching.
It came at the expense of the game IMO….we ran the other lines dogged and they ran out of gas. The common theme in the streak was more evenly distributed icetime….and there were several times where AK should have been given an opportunity to redeem himself. 3 shifts? that is ridiculous….unless they are trying to damage his value ….and that is a dangerous game to play…other option maybe they are looking to move him? Either way in a must win game Palushaj, Darche and Leblanc should not be getting time over him…especially when the time he does get is with Gomez…then they try one shift with Pleks and Bourque and when no instant magic happens they nail him to the bench. he has been shorted a lot lately and it is quite obvious there is more than meets the eye to the situation.
You can’t play from the bench. RC pulled out his dunce cap and placed it firmly upon his head last night. Not rolling 4 lines cost the game in the 3rd, when no one up front had any gas left in the tank.
The problem with Gomez is not that he is just playing poorly, he is also displacing a real fourth line player. Someone who can hit, or fight, or agitate or draw penalties, or win big faceoffs, while chipping in the occasional goal. Gomez is a top six player so if he is not in your top six, shouldn’t he sit? Gomez brings absolutely nothing to a fourth line except winning some faceoffs.
White, Darche and Moen would be a real fourth line. Darche and Moen killing penalties, Moen and White dropping the gloves when required, White agitating and playing his high energy game, Darche hitting and digging down low. And all three can contribute offensively while not being a liability in their own end.
Putting a struggling player like Gomez on the PP to help him break out is not a team-first mentality. PPs are too important to experiment like that, especially when you have a player like AK warming the bench all night who has 3 PP goals this season despite limited ice time on the PP.
It is clear to everyone that Gomez has lost his game, why not send him to Hamilton to find it? Let him be good in the room with the prospects. Let him play as a first line player again, experience scoring again, fix what he is doing wrong. There would be three possible outcomes:
1. He gets picked off waivers and the Habs free up cap space. Extremely unlikely but teams like Chicago and Calgary are desperate for a 2nd line centre;
2. He finds his game and his confidence in Hamilton, then comes back next year as a 60-70 point player (unlikely, but possible);
3. He struggles in the AHL because his game is fundamentally flawed and everyone will know that he is washed up, not slumping. Management can then be convinced to eat his salary.
The biggest problem with the Habs this year is they have too many passengers in the boat, and not enough people pulling an oar. Time to jettison the dead weight. Moving Gomez to Hamilton would be addition by subtraction. Then do the same thing to the defense. Its time to look to the future and let the kids play. The only danger for the tankers is that they might actually start winning.
“The problem with Gomez is not that he is just playing poorly, he is also displacing a real fourth line player. ”
I couldn’t help but laugh at this. A tip of the cap to you, sir.
Screw Muller. He is the Enemy now!
I never liked that moronic grin either.
The man never took a shift off in his career including those great Hab years so give your head a shake.
Hey, the team that worked harder, made the least amount of mistales usually wins and that as was the case last night. Did you really think the Habs were to going to be the the better team on the ice for the rest of the season? Cunney is giving ice time to the players that will be around for awhile which is exactly what he should be doing. In case anyone still hasn’t noticed, we are still thin on D and he hasn’t much choice but to play them as he has been. The young players are gaining experience and in the long run this will benefit us. Going on a 4 game win streak may have raised the playoff hopes of some, and good fodder for the Media, but reality is this team is not winning anything this year…….talk about Breaking News! The idiots can blame whoever for this years poor record to whoever wants to listen (yawn) and the supporters can make all the excuses but the truth is this team has a decent future and it’s not too far away. I guess that doesn’t make good radio or copy. So fans, pull the bandwagon to the side of the road, give it a rest, look to the the future, and enjoy the games for what they are meant to be…….fun and entertainment. Don’t read or listen to the bozo’s that want to grab attention because it won’t change a thing other than carry your passions up and down like a yo-yo. Besides, what better for the Media than winning??? Losing! Don’t get sucked in!
What is up with AK? Are they rpepping him for a trade? or…are they making a case to pay him less? He clearly should be an option on the PP and should also be paired with Pleks in 4 on 4 situations. He is one of our best puck possession guys so those situations should be his bread and butter.
Dd ….yikes buddy ..learn from Gomer…if you stop shooting the puck eventually you become very easy to defend! he makes so many incredibly patient plays …but then waits himself out of the moment.
2 very good points!
I would love to hear a real answer as to why AK was only played for 4 minutes and change last night.
Apparently, he was a little slow getting to the bench on a line change just before Carolina scored their first one. RC was a lot slow insisting on line match-ups that weren’t happening or working.
Interesting…that is frustrating and would drive a coach nuts…I’d rather he take it out on him at practice or something though or limit it to shift or two and talk to him after the game (guess it is hard to punich these guys with anything but icetime but it was at the expense of the team IMO)
AK should be trade to Washington for a young D and joint OV as the Russians underachiever
Perrenial 20 goal scorer…..real underachiever that guy…..wish we had more underachievers like him. He is going to be difficult to replace and that appears to be where things are headed….
I was in the TO area for the Leaf game. I didn’t see it because we were visiting non-sports fans, but I was able to follow at least some of the comments here on my Playbook. The gist was that the Habs were playing really well.
Next day in The Sun, it was all about the Leafs. The gist was that they really sucked.
Fans of every team see the game as a one way street. For example: Eller was brilliant on Phaneuf, but Kaberle totally blew it on Stall.
All I want to say is that Carolina played really well and that Stall made a brilliant play to turn the game in their favour. Give the other team some credit rather than trade everybody on ours.
(Just get rid of Gomez and Kaberle for now. )
That was one ugly Loss!
Way to many of them this year my friend. Points out the many flaws on the roster and the lack of grit on the blueline.
Yes, it’s been one long season of mistakes.
The four game run was a blast.
Hope they do it again this season.
Thought it was a good game, both teams played very hard. 2nd period was awesome. We were soft on the puck on a few shifts but realistically a couple of good bounces and we win.
Seeing way too much of Darche out there. Yes he’s a smart hockey player and he works hard but his skill level is way below most other players on the team. Putting him out on a 4-4 makes absolutely no sense. With more room out there you want guys with SPEED and SKILL, not smart hard working 5th liners.
Also should have played white and schultz to keep the team fired up.
2 bad coaching moves RC, smarten up or we got no chance.
White and Schultz had just played Friday night, Saturday and Sunday,
White has not played an NHL game all season (which is “slightly” more demanding than the AHL) due to a sports hernia injury,
Schultz has never played a regular season NHL game in his career.
I have not read one scouting report from anyone indicating that Schultz is even ready to play in the NHL.
In fact, I have read exactly the opposite – that his skating and conditioning and skills are very questionable at best
Darche and Plekanec tandem has been on fire offensively and defensively and Darche has been the hardest worker and one of our best forwards these past 4 games.
Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.
But either one would have stood up to Gleason or Sutter or one of the other guys constantly in Emelin and otehr guys faces…..Moen would have as well.
Does it make more sense to start these guys against the “big bad Canes” or the “big bad Bruins?”. Would have been good to see one of them f Stewart up going after Emelin when he knows he can’t fight.
There are plenty of other fwds who are hard working and on fire who also have way more skill than MD (Cole, Pac, Eller?) and who will do something with the puck given the space which MD will not. He is smart and works hard and makes good passes and even had a great shot vs the leafs but his skills are way below many others and should not be getting 20 mins on the ice. Period.
Heard that they sent Schultz down, nice.
On to Boston where I hope we can win, and put this loss behind us. I really want to say something good about Gomez and AK, but I am not that good of a liar.
It’s getting near impossible to defend Gomer. Fanning on a wide open net then proceeding to screw up every chance he had on the pp. RC needs to bench his ass.
Ak played well when he was settled on a line with Eller and Moen.
Players can’t be consistent when their lines are being changed constantly.
AK has always been the victim in these line experiments- quite often ending up with 3rd and 4th liners.
“It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”
Strummer, you raise a good point but the issue with AK is inconsistent effort. It shouldn’t matter who you play with, the effort should be there. Too many night during his career, the effort from AK is lacking.
That’s where superior coaching comes in-
RC/JM are no Burns, Hitchcock, Lemaire, Keenen or even Muller.
Don’t get me wrong, I am a Canadiens fan as much as the next guy…I never post on here, but I just can’t stand reading all the “mathematical outcomes to make the playoffs” bullshit
THERE ARE NOT GOING TO MAKE THE PLAYOFFS !!!!!!!!!!!!! It’s done fella’s, the only thing we should be talking about is trying to get the highest possible lottery pick, and who to take with that pick, thats it
So we win 4 in a row, then lose a close one despite a good effort.
And you all sound like girls who just found out the Justin Bieber show was canceled.
Yes, it’s risky to put Gomez and AK out there but to me, it looked like the habs simply wore out. I wonder how many 3rd period collapses happen because the bench is too short and the players are too tired?
Did Schultz really get sent back down? WTF…I guess Moen is ready to go then, or a trade PG was working on fell through….and why on Earth is Darche playing so much?…yes he hustles and can block shots but he doesn’t have any skill…the fact that we blew another game in the 3rd – it points to bad coaching folks – quit putting the crap players on the ice in key situations.
You nailed it. Darche comes to play. Journeyman skills. Good work ethic. Now all things being equal you would be very stupid not to play your best players unless you are up a long way. Darche is playing a lot. What does that tell you about GAF factor amongst some others?
Still waiting for a trade PG. C’mon !
I think Kaberle did suck last night but then I realized he is playing 3 former teams in a row. Too much stress.
Well I heard just like Gomez and AK, he’s well liked in the room. Jeeeeez
make it 4..please !!
I think I’m more at peace with this loss than I would have been had they won. Don’t get me wrong, I in no way support the “tank” theory – I find the notion of deliberately tanking a season in favor of a higher pick to be repugnant at best. But I think there were some Habs fans who were starting to develop a case of “Leafitis”, that curious malady that prompts the sufferer to conceive of far-fetched and highly unlikely mathematical formulas involving the other 29 teams, astrological charts and weather forecasts that will allow their team to make the playoffs.
With last night as evidence, it should be clear that the Habs are NOT going to make it. I don’t really think they played badly last night, they just…lost. And that’s going to continue to happen for the rest of the season. No matter how well they play, they’re going to run into teams that play just a little bit better and lose the game. They dug themselves too deep a hole in the first half of the season to climb out of, and their season will end on April 7th. The only hope for Habs fans to cling to is that the Habs knock the Leafs out of the playoffs with a win in that last game.
Repugnant at best?
What’s worse than repugnant?
The team played pretty good positionally the previous four games. They took advantage of opportunity. Players know that. Suddenly the pressure lifts, they get a day off, then it’s a game against a team ready to go. They get their ego’s handed to them quickly. The opponents get up two and think “Ok, the worst is over let’s hang on…” Whack they’re down one. The coach rips/settles them down, they get back to their game, and the result is what you see.
The Canadiens could make the playoffs. That team has enough talent. But they can’t consistently put it together. From last years playoffs till now. Same story. On game one night, no show the next few. Some favorites get a free ride while the usuals get blamed for the end results. That is why they often go on to very good careers elsewhere. The team is good at developing or finding NHL level players. Not so good on finding character and mentally tough players.
So, who gets the call up from Hamilton to participate in tomorrows pregame skate? Hopefully Shultz learns to do a better job the next time he’s asked to participate. I heard too many pucks went across the center ice line.
I wished he, white or Moen were laying when guys were going after Emelin…..they know he won’t fight after his orbitl bone thing in Russia…he hits clean and does not do anything dirty..someone needs to have his back. He can make his physical impact with his body but someone eneds to be there to help him out in those situations. PK will drop them if the time and partner is right…emelin will not…someone needs to pick him up.
I like this team – add a top d-man (Markov), a scorer, leader, who plays hard every night (Gionta), and a little more depth and grit on the back end (Moen and White), and I really believe that this is a playoff team right now.
Add in a world class goalie (Price), and we could be looking at 95 points next season again.
I was so disappointed last night – it was the toughest loss of the season.
But I like the team, I like the coach, and I am hoping we can get a few lucky bounces and maybe pull out a huge win against Boston.
It was an honest effort.
It was an entertaining game and we lost to a team that is motivated and well coached.
But the real difference was Eric Staal. Yes he should have been gone for the elbow to the head, and yes I still think his hit that ended Markov’s season was dirty, but he is a heck of a hockey player.
Positives were the play of PK who is turning into a beast on defence, and Leblanc, who is looking better and better. (Cole and Desharnais are always positives.)
We absolutely have to try and get something for AK46 now. Is Calgary not looking for a winger who likes to hit and has a great shot? Good in the room too.
agree on Staal – he is something else.
there was a play when AK 46 had just received the pass, and started skating with the puck, and then the puck slipped off of his stickhandling, and it was a clean give away.
That’s a sign that an NHL player is not focused.
That kind of lack of concentration can not be permitted, and we were already losing 2-0.
That is why he was essentially benched for the rest of the game.
RC went over to him behind the bench and let him know.
It was very clear why AK 46 would not play a regular shift again.
And that is what being held ‘accountable” means.
it means that although you might have played 10-12 minutes the previous games, you are not guaranteed that ice time if your play does not justify it.
I agree, but there has to be a reason for that ?
There must be things going on right now regarding the trade deadline, that we don’t know about ?
I remember when Plex got a hold of the rumour he was going to Tampa and remember what happened ?
I think AK 46 knows he’s being shopped and is thinkin’ “fine, than eff it, if they’re gettin’ rid of me” ?
Just a thought ?
Habs, OLE !
Ed I wish I shared your attitude. I watch this team lose scrum after scrum, night after night. Need more then a healthy Markov and Gionta to make the team a cup contender IMO.
It would be neat if they changed the poll to: Do you think the Canadiens “will” make the playoffs?
It was a fun streak and that second period spurt was awesome. Hats off to Eric Staal who took it to another level when the game was on the line. The reality is that the 3 teams behind us might as well be ahread of us as they all have 2 games in hand and are only one point behind.
I am ok with losing like last night for now…the kids are learning, DD is looking dangerous, Leblan is a keeper, Eller is starting to stand up for himself lately, PK played a very good game, Cole is a beast, Patches is loving his linemates, Pleks is back (despite a couple gaffes he was dangerous all night). I really do not like the sit back and block shots thing in our end….it is great when it works but when it doesn’t it just creates more traffice for Price to lose the puck through.
I wish White and Schultz played last night because I was getting pretty sick of guys challenging Emelin every time he made a clean hit (and the hit from behind by Brent was dangerous…how it went uncalled I do not know). Emelin will not fight…he nearly had his career endeed in one…nearly had more serious effects…he is not going to fight and I can’t say I blame him….his injury was devastating and he does not play dirty and hits clean…someone needs to jump in for him there…I think it affected him all game as his positioning was pretty horrific later on.
We miss way too many opportunities to make palys by chipping it out and need to get back to puck possession….the turnovers and missed passes were far too many and it leads to frustration and tiring defensivve sequences….there were severalt imes guys got caught on the ice toolong because we could not make a first pass and just kept getting attacked.
What makes the loss hurt all the more is that the Caps lost too, so it was a squandered opportunity to gain ground on them and bunch up the works in the 8-11 hole.
Alas, it was not to be. There’s still time and there’s still hope, but there’s a little less of the former and it seems like many of you have abandoned all of the latter.
Im not demeaning the win streak the habs just had, but Carolina was the first team in a while to offer some resistance to the habs coupled with par goaltending. The other teams didnt show up barely. Last night was a good game to watch, very entertaining.
Hope you’ve all got plenty of bandages for your broken ankles this morning. I know, I know, jumping on and off the bandwagon is dangerous. I knew all along it would take one loss for all the bolshoi to erupt again here.
F*** losing. The Apocalyptic Streak™ continues Wednesday against the Gooins.
It’s the same old script this morning. After a 4 game winning streak, the Habs lose one and burst everyone’s bubble. The whining starts again, in spades. Realize the fact that this team is not going to be in the playoffs this year, and sit back and relax. That’s what I’ve been doing since just after Christmas. I realized back then that there was little chance, and now the time is quickly approaching the mathematical fact.
So why continue to beat the dead horse? Why continue to keep ragging on and on about this player and that player? Why all the focus on the negatives? Sit back and relax. Enjoy the positives. There are positives. I’ll give you some.
Cole, Price, Eller, Emelin, Subban (most of the time), Gorges, Pacioretty, Desharnais, Leblanc, and the likelihood of a very high draft pick are a few positives you can start with. Why continue to rip to shreds the obvious names of players who will be out of town at the first opportunity to buy them a ticket? Even Gomez, I expect, is out of here one way or another.
This team is heading into makeover mode….yes, again….sorry, but it’s a tough world out there. And who knows what the next CBA will bring. The only thing that would make me blow a gasket at this stage would be if Pierre Gauthier were to remain at the helm. But I’m assuming he’s outta here. A new GM will be brought in. The new GM will hire a coach. The coach will bring in his trusted pals as assistants, and there is a very good nucleus of talent to work with.
The future, especially the immediate future, rests more on who will be directing this team next fall, both on the bench and behind the big desk. The on ice product is not that far off from being competitive if management gets it’s head out of the sand, abandons the “ride a goalie to the promised land” philosophy, and adds some elements necessary to be among the top teams.
So in the meantime, just watch and enjoy. The Habs will play hard to the last whistle most every night. They’ll win some and they’ll lose some. But either way, you will see some promising young talent emerging. It’s not all that bad.
I aggree 100%…Well said! Why would we even want to see this team in the playoffs, so they can get knocked out again the first round. This is a mediocre team that is inconsistant. PG needs to go and they need to rebuild, lets stop putting expectations for this year and start worrying about the future. OH YEA! Good job PG for picking up a player that caused the turning point shorthanded goal yesterday. Maybe they shoudl give Karbele & Gomez raises.
Just watched the highlights. Plekanec had a tough night. Was on the doorstep to stopping the both powerplay goals by Carolina and made a poor decision trying to clear the puck on the first goal… Guess everyone’s entitled to a bad defensive game now and then.
Yeah he did. Everybody will whip the usual suspects but the team was scrambling all night in the defensive zone, nobody seemed to know their position. Carolina played well. Their centers were very good. Montreal’s?
I have long been astounded at how fickle we are as fans, eagerly jumping off the bandwagon at the first signs of trouble, but I find myself even more taken aback by how quickly many seem to have climbed back on (the writers of the Gazette included). Win four games and the tone of pessimism is all but a memory. The likelihood of a playoff spot remains extremely low, yet many (as the current poll suggests) have found their faith renewed.
I cannot be alone in truly hoping to reel in Montreal’s first legitimate superstar since…wow; not a single one, arguably, in my 21 years. When is the last time anyone has consistently put up 90+ point seasons?
Not a crap do I have to give about winning a few more games this season. We need that lottery pick. Come on, boys: put on a losing show.
The thing is a lotto pick doesn’t mean much unless it is Crosby or the like. Anybody can pick Daigle types. Every draft has good, sometimes great, players. The trouble is you can’t figure out easily who is mentally tough enough.
Years ago the Canadiens had a great advantage in player development. Massive lists of players. Some turned out, most didn’t. Then they changed the rules.
” Years ago the Canadiens had a great advantage in player development. Massive lists of players. Some turned out, most didn’t. Then they changed the rules.”
Ummm, no. They (NHL) leveled the playing field so every team would have an equal and fair chance at any potential player out there.
How so? Every team DID have an equal and fair chance at any player out there. They just had to convince Jean Beliveau or Jacques Laperrierre or __________ and their parents that they should sign a development contract with the Montreal Canadiens instead of the Boston Bruins or Chicago Blackhawks.
Montreal, under Frank Selke, decided to put a huge organizational emphasis on mining leagues across the country for young talent before other teams even got a look at them. That strategy paid off in spades.
The draft was implemented to redistribute wealth and try to encourage parity. But the draft is probably less fair in many respects than the system that preceded it. Now you get rewarded for being inept.
Top picks mean the absolute world when player development is sufficient. Crosby is a bonafide rarity, of course, but rebuilding in a lottery system (which is undoubtedly the route the Habs should be taking) requires struggle and poor finishes until sufficient young talent along with adequate player development arises.
You are entirely right in stating that top picks often do not pan out, whether due to psychological factors or other. You cannot deny, though, that those picked higher in the draft are statistically FAR more likely to become better NHL players.
I believe that was the eleventh third-period lead the Habs have blown this season. That stat alone tells us this is not a playoff team. The four-game winning streak was exciting, but visions of the playoffs were chimerical. It’s not going to happen. So we’d better be glad the bottom teams are all playing pretty well. We can look forward to some good hockey and perhaps still finish in a good position for the draft.
But the game was exciting. All of a sudden, the powerplay has some jump to it; the players are moving more, circulating the puck faster, and opening up the shooting lanes. I just wonder why they weren’t doing this earlier. We also seem to be playing a more physical game, which should help us against teams like the Bruins and Flyers. I liked what I saw from Rene Bourque last night; he was hitting a lot and making his presence felt more than usual. I don’t really understand the benching of Andrei Kostitsyn. Yes, he looked bad early in the game, but if benching is to be a punishment or corrective, why was Kaberle still on the ice after his brutal turnover?
I honestly didn’t get the benching of Kostitsyn either. He made an error changing at the end of a long shift (he was at 1:02 on that shift when he changed), but the guy he abandoned was not involved in the play, and Bourque was over on that side by the time Allen took his shot. Cunneyworth played him for his next two regular shifts, so I don’t think Kostitsyn was benched for that goal.
On the other hand, we’ve been lauding Cunneyworth for treating the kids like adults, benching them for only a period at a time and then getting them back out there. Kostitsyn is frustrating at times, but I didn’t see anything that makes me think he’s the dog holding back the pack.
Most NHL goals are the result of errors by the other team. Why coaches highlight one error over another for correction has always been beyond my comprehension, but that is probably part of why I am not an NHL coach.
I felt like the Habs were skating in molasses in the first period. No jump whatsoever and really poor positioning. Fortunately, Price kept them in it.
In the second, they had tons of jump and were playing very well. Price made a few more key saves, but the offence was really controlling the play.
In the third period, as too frequently has happened this season, the wheels fell off. Price seemed to be struggling (how many times did he completely lose track of the puck and/or look behind him?), the defence was giving up too many chances and the offensive guys were getting too cute. I remember one shift where both Desharnais and Kaberle passed up great shooting lanes from the slot to deke themselves into the corner or try to force a pass to a covered teammate.
Like Boone said in his ALN piece, Gomez and Kostitsyn weren’t responsible for the loss. But I do wish the team would stop over-playing guys that clearly don’t have the engine. P.K. Subban’s play has stepped up since his minutes were cut back to a more reasonable number.
I truly believe that the Habs are over-playing Plekanec and Desharnais right now…they are unquestionably the Habs best two centres, but both are smaller guys who must expend a tremendous amount of energy to compete. As the game goes on, those are the types of guys that get worn out the most. Keeping Gomez and Kostitsyn at 10-12 minutes per game, unless they are showing something worth pushing them up even higher, should be the goal every night. Playing them less is cutting off your nose to spite your face.
I agree with your analysis.
According to the analysts last night on RDS, this is the 21st blown lead of the season… that statistic is not restricted to the third period, but still… what a disaster.
I was thinking about Markov just now. Imagine him in the lineup instead of Kaberle last night and we win the game… It’s nice to dream. Isn’t Markov skating a lot more now? I’m always more optimistic in the morning over my second expresso. Then I was thinking about Gionta. Switch him for Gomez and we would have had a more potent attack with some guts.
Even though the Habs lost, I liked what I saw from the young players and a few veterans. I don’t see any Stanley Cups for this team for a long while, but give me gutsy, entertaining hockey and I’ll watch it.
For anyone that thinks that Kaberle isn’t too bad, please take a look at Carolina’s 3rd goal, short handed by the way with the PP quarter back flopping on the ice after a missed poke check. Kaberle could not possibly have played that worse. He played Staal so poorly that Price did not seem to have any idea what was happening. Price would have had a better chance if Kaberle had simply left Staal completely alone on a clear break away. At least Price would have had a one-on-one fighting chance in that case.
I don’t think he is that bad…last night he made a couple of bad plays though and that was one and it was made even worse when you consider his ill advised chip in the neutral zone to start the play. In that instance Pk would have spun away….but that is PK(and if he flubbed it people would be all over him too). There were plenty of goats last night although many of the plays did not result in goals but there was one sequence where about 8 times in a row we missed our pass out of our end and turned the puck over to be attacked on…it was painful. There was one instance where Bourque was near the faceoff dot and Pleks was standing literally all alone in front of the net and he fired a high wrister wide??? There were the mssed opportunities and in fairness that went both ways as the boys did not cover the back door pass all night but fortunately Carolina blew it half a dozen times.
blown leads….shoot out losses. there is a ton of points pissed away by the habs this year. This team needs some tweaking to get better there is no doubt. I wanted to see schultz on the 4th line to rattle some bones and create some energy but he was sent back down….why? Who knows. I guess Paulisj is better suited for a 4th line? We are still too soft a team to play in the east.
So how many blown 3rd period leads is that this season? There was the game against Vancouver, the one against Tampa Bay (?), I’m sure there’s at least two more. Can anyone remember the others?
Thing is, turn those blown leads to wins and this team is in the playoffs. That’s how close the line is between lottery picks and playoff teams. Crazy.
Toronto, is this because the defence and team is generally soft? I watch this team lose nearly every scrum for the puck. Tough to win games and score goals when the other team has the puck.
It seems to be a combination of factors, but I’d say that a very green defence corps, albeit one that is improving with each passing game, has been a big factor.
Even though this season’s been rough, I think it’ll pay dividends next season. Subban, Emelin, and Diaz all look to be keepers.
21st time overall that the Habs have held a lead at some point in the game and lost. Painful.
Same old Haha. All it took was 1 loss in 5 tries.
D’ya think if Gomez were making $3.5 million, he’d be this snakebit and hated?
D’ya think he’d take a pay cut this summer?
D’ya really think ManApart & Tony242 are geniuses??
If that’s the only silver lining you see, better get new glasses, there are good things happening with the Habs right now, even though the season is not going good.
There’s a crazy homeless person that walks around dribbling into his unwashed beard with a sign saying “The World Is Going To End”. He is filthy and he stinks.
He’s right, you know, the world is going to end.
But I wouldn’t want to be him.
Or use his commentary as basis for any kind of intelligent discussion of the topic.
I don’t think you need to pray too hard. That 4 game winning streak was just a tease. YEsterday was a beginning of a new 4 game losing steak. Boston, Buffulo and New Jersey will feast on our slow D, loser forwards (minus Cole line) and average goaltending. The Tank is alive, HH.
HH, know what doesn’t help get a point across?
An adult making insulting name puns such as “Craperle.”
You’re better than that.
Can players take a pay cut?
Do you think if Gomez was a rookie he’d be staying with the big club?
we might be able to trade him at least.
He’d be a journeyman and maybe useful to a team with a lot of kids or as a depth guy.
The problem is the collateral damage:
1. We don’t have value from Gomez.
2. We don’t have the use of the money tied up in him to replace him.
3. We don’t have McDonough AND, as if all that is not bad enough – we have G for several more years AND, as if all that is not bad enough – he’s a terrible example for our kids – AND as if all that is not bad enough… he’s like a black hole where wingers’ careers go to die… AND…
Ok. I’m tired now.
No, he could retire though.
No. CBA forbids renegotiating a contract mid-way thru.
It’s February. While I personally would bag skate floater guys until there legs were stubs, I don’t think it’s much use at this point.
You can’t make someone care.
Isn’t that a nice thought on Valentine’s Day ™
Not a bad analogy at all.
You are wrong too. Again.
I just realized that Hobie Hansen and Hard Habits are both HH.
I should have paid attention in CEGEP.
Took 1 loss in 8 days to get Timo back to his usual sh*tty self. Party on!
Longevity counts for something, doesn’t it?
What’s this? Another inflammatory speculative post from HH? Who would have thought.
Sounds like Laff Nation
If you listen to some of the louder and more bombastic people here, you’d think that finishing in last place this season would solve all of our problems and launch us into a new period of dynastic prosperity that would last for eternity.
Yes, because it takes a big brain and brass balls to advocate losing.
Oh, now tell us all….AGAIN…that purposely tanking does NOT mean losing.
Don’t bring me into it.
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Get the feeling the Habs lost last night?
What? It won’t?
It’s the amazing yet vague pie-in-the-sky golden boy draft choice. Pure ambrosia.
Well you know the habs have a rosy future (LOL) when the owner thinks Scott Gomez is a top 6 forward when the man hasn’t scored a goal in over a year and weeks…..rosy future indeed. So what does that tell us about Gauthier and Molson?
Not only is it not a bad analogy, it’s actually quite astute. Speaking of which, does anyone remember when HH went through his “mea culpa” phase last year, and pledged that after seeing the error in his ways, he would try to not be so…..annoying. Okay he didn’t say annoying. That’s my word. But he did say he would try to be less like the person he has reverted to. Isn’t the most sad thing in the world, when someone wants to be better, but ultimately can’t see it through? Even more sad than the homeless guy you speak of IMO.
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Simmer down, bud!
No need for that.
Me thinks I struck a nerve
lawls u mad bro~!
Fate leads the willing, and drags along the reluctant.
Touché. You do know that word has ouch in it at the same time, yes?
They’re drinking the kool-aid, alright.
The B in CBA looks a lot like Blackmail.
Blah, blah, blah…tanking….blah, blah, blah. Same old, same old from you puppy. Lots of nice fancy words and thoughts there but you always slip in the loser mentality phrases. “Focus on the entry draft and rebuild” and “take a season or two for a proper rebuild” and “stand pat and not be buyers”. Your favorite line up of subconscious excuses for failure.
Just what team out there doesn’t focus on the draft, doesn’t look for players to buy that could help their club NOW, that doesn’t constantly rebuild? You’ve hardly reinvented the system of building an NHL team there. The only difference is that you advocate losing to initiate the process.
Come on HH, you used to deliver more compelling comments than this constant loser mentality of the tank theme you’ve been on for a couple of years.
Fair to say that HH has just been told! Danke Punkster!
Well, maybe Burlie but that likely won’t stop the expected backlash of insults that are bound to follow.
This may well be your silliest response yet. it’s the same thing over and over…draft high, draft often, draft well, etc…and always the muddled out…”tanking if necessary but not necessarily tanking”.
No, you don’t advocate losing. No sir, just “tanking if necessary”.
Find a new schtick. This one’s broken.
Maybe I wasn’t talking about you.
There are other posters on here, you know…
I never said that good drafting and player development weren’t a good idea. I don’t think that we should trade picks to squeak in.
I also don’t think we should give up.
Nor do I think we should swear and insult each other on this site.
You clearly woke up on the wrong side of the bed today. Look at your posts. Take some time off and come back in a better mood. You’re doing yourself a discredit with posts like these.
He really is something today, as angry as he is you’d think the Habs won last night.
I haven’t read alot of the posts today Shiram, but that is as good a comment as I have read in months. Very funny, thanks for the chuckle my friend.
Thanx, I was quite proud of it!
Classics all day long.
In about 5 billion years, or thereabouts.
Interesting strategy, but I am not buying what your selling.
Though absolutely nothing you “hope” for has been mentioned by the so called Habologists you name. If this is what you perceive to be anti tank positioning then you have truly missed the point.
Therefore I call BS.
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