Carey’s comparables

What Price is right?

Put less cloyingly, what should the Canadiens pay their newly-anointed Number One goaltender?

As per CapGeek, the team has 20 players under contract and $4.7 million of salary cap space.

Carey Price’s base salary through his first three seasons has been $850,000. Bonuses have brought his annual cap hit to $2.2 million.

Josh Harding, the backup goaltender in Minnesota, signed a one-year contract for $1.2 million today.

Harding played in 25 games last year, cmpared to 41 for Price. But their career numbers make an interesting comparison:

Price: 134 regular season GP, a record of 60 wins, 48 losses and 18 overtime losses. GAA of 2.73, save percentage of 91.2

Harding: 83 GP, 28-39-8, 2.66, 91.5.

Harding is 26. Price turns 23 next month.

Here’s a look at some other NHL goaltenders in their 20s:

Let’s lead off with two goaltenders who were, like Price, first-round
draft choices:

Marc-André Fleury, picked first overall by
the Penguins in 2003, is 25 and has played in 302 regular season games and is
148-106-30 with a GAA of 2.82 and a save percentage of 90.7. Fleury will
make $5.5 million for each of the next three seasons and $5.75 million
in the last year of his contract.

Kari Lehtonen, second
overall to Atlanta in 2002, is 26: 204, 94-83-17, 2.87 and 91.2. Dallas just
signed him to a contract that will pay $2.7 million, $3.7 million and
$4.25

Some other relevant 20somethings:

Craig Anderson, Colorado, is 29: 180, 74-68-20, 2.77, 91.3. $2.125
million this season, then a UFA.

Jonas Hiller, Anaheim, 28: 128 GP, 63-45-6, 2.49, 92.0. Signed through 2013-’14 at $4.5 million per.

Mike Smith, Tampa Bay, 28: 98, 41-42-11, 2.53, 91.0. $2.4 million
this season, then a UFA.

Pekka Rinne, Nashville, 27: 113, 62-32-9, 2.46, 91.4. $2.8
million, $4 million, then a UFA.

Jonathan Quick, Los Angeles, 26: 119, 61-44-9, 2.54, 90.8. $1.9
million, $1.8 million, $1.7 million and a UFA in 2013-’14.

Jimmy Howard, Detroit, 26: 72, 38-20-10, 2.32, 92.2. $800,000,
then a UFA.

Annti Niemi, Chicago, 26: 39, 26-7-4, 2.25, 91.2. He and the
Hawks are going to arbitration.

Jaroslav Halak, St. Louis, 25: 101, 56-34-7, 2.62, 91.9. $2.75
million, $3.5 million, $4.25 million, $4.5 million and a UFA in
2014-’15.

Jonas Gustavson, Toronto, 25: 42, 16-15-9, 2.87, 90.2. $1.35
million for the next two seasons, then a UFA.

Tuuka Rask, Boston, 23: 50, 25-13-6, 2.01, 93.0. $1 million this season, $1.5 million in 2011-’12, then an RFA.

Steve Mason, Columbus, 22: 61, 33-20-7, 2.29, 91.6. $765,000 this season, then a RFA.

Semyon Varlamov, Washington, 22: 32, 19-4-7, 2.49, 91.5. $850,00 this season, $765,000 in 2011-’12, then a RFA.

There are many other variables – including playoff performance (Hello, Jaro!), injury history (which didn’t prevent Dallas from making Lehtonen rich), quality of supporting cast (notably the D), etc.

The numbers cited above, however, give you – and Price and Pierre Gauthier – some sense of the market.

 

 

169 Comments

  1. kempie says:

    That’s a very good point. That’s likely what the holdup is. PG insisting on language that stipulates that Carey must burn his red pads and melt down the Grim Reaper mask into an ashtray. I can see this being a deal-breaker.

  2. Chuck says:

    Elissa, don’t gorget about Rememberance Carey and his special mask, too.

    I wonder if anyone has done a breakdown of his record in regards to the mask that he was wearing.

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  3. Chuck says:

    Four years: 2.0, 2.5, 3.25, 3.75

    That takes him to his UFA year. And if the Habs want to go in another direction down the road, his contract is a very trade-friendly $2.875 million cap hit.

    Of course, I fully expect a slightly larger cap hit if the term is around 2 years. If they go for 2, then a couple of big money defense contracts come off the books allowing for a higher cap number for the second 2 years that would take him through until he’s a UFA.

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  4. Muckbringer says:

    yes!!!carey in red w/brown…….bring it!!!!!!

  5. Don Carnage says:

    Moved to the end of the page

  6. Muckbringer says:

    the vintage gear…..love the browns!

  7. Eliisa says:

    What is clearly more important here, Chuck, is Cowboy Carey’s stats (wearing The Cowboy mask) vs Badass Carey’s stats  (wearing The Hardcore Grim Reaper on Chopper mask). Upon deciding which mask he is going to don we can then work out a salary from there.

  8. Muckbringer says:

    i say he takes that in la

  9. arcosenate says:

    I say 3 years: 2.5, 3, 3.5.

  10. arcosenate says:

    I say 3 years: 2.5, 3, 3.5.

  11. arcosenate says:

    I say 3 years: 2.5, 3, 3.5.

  12. Muckbringer says:

    kovi was offered 17yr deal, he has others around him. how do you not offer price a long term deal @2m per? if a goalie is truely important, why dont separate them from the cap and prove it?

  13. Chuck says:

    Stats-wise, he seems to be a cross between Craig Anderson and Jonas Hillier, though 5-6 years younger.

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  14. Muckbringer says:

    my point is why do goalies make so much less, even throughout career when they get all the pressure?  should netminders be separate from the cap?

  15. Muckbringer says:

    “we wouldve gotten away with it too if it wasnt for those meddaling refs”

  16. NightRyder says:

    Lapdog.

  17. Bill J says:

    merely ?

    Way I remember your back talk, you where quite rude.

    You should shut up and be glad you where not banned.

     

  18. NightRyder says:

    C’mon Boone, who took down our spirited debate? 

    How about manning up and e-mailing me at craigcarruthers@canada.com with your reasons for removing posts that contained no profanity and merely offered direct comment on the work you are fortunate enough to be paid to do.

    Surely if you can poke fun at Corky, you can take a little heat from some of your bored HIO constituents, can’t you? 

  19. Clay4bc says:

    Not since that kid stole the domain name! :)

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  20. TorontoHabsFan says:

    Most bloggers will use the “strike out” option or put an asterisk after the correction and inform the reader that the passage has been corrected. It helps alleviate some of the “We’ve always been at war with Eastasia/We’ve always been at war with Eurasia” vibes you can get from the internets. :)

  21. TorontoHabsFan says:

    Yeah, my family split season’s tickets back in the 90s (from 89 until the lockout). I miss those days – the dome was great, the crowd started out quiet but by the 7th inning it was a madhouse. Good times….sigh.

  22. TorontoHabsFan says:

    GASP!!!

    RRREALLY??

     

  23. TorontoHabsFan says:

    Tony, it’s nice to see that you’re a true renaissance man – woefully ignorant about everything, not just hockey :)

  24. Mark C says:

    Hyperbole much?

  25. Mark C says:

    Other teams have. Hey, there is always the WC.

  26. TripleX says:

     

    BURNNNNNNNNN!

    “And I am really looking forward to watching Michael Cammalleri in the NHL. He had an awesome year in the AHL.” PIERRE McGUIRE

  27. SeriousFan09 says:

    I hear this National Hockey League has their own site on the interweb now with all these accurate stats.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  28. Mike Boone says:

    Fixed. Wikipedia had ‘em wrong

  29. Mark C says:

    Playoffs are hard to make when you play in the AL East, by far the best division year in and year out. I want to know how Jose Bautista became a “monster?”

  30. NightRyder says:

    Nice job Boone, not being able to do something as simple as look up Carey Price’s career stats. 

    Although, I wouldn’t mind forgetting Price’s record from last year either…

    NOTE: Man, the Internet must be a wonderful new addition to lazy reporters. No longer is your mistake etched in ink forever and ever. Just go back, update the story and mistake all gone.

    Nice!

  31. Bill J says:

    Agreed the competition RE: closeness is certainly better suited for the central.

  32. Bill J says:

    I think the Habs are probably trying to get him signed for 3 years.

    By then, some big contracts will be off the books, and some soon to expire. (Gomez)

    So if the Habs can lock him down at 2.5 – 2.75 for 3 years.

    Then they can afford to sign him to a big long term contract, OR like Theodore trade him if unwilling.

    in 3 years, he will still be a RFA. So not a big risk.

  33. Bill J says:

    Pure speculation.

  34. likehoy says:

    could we hire howie mandel to do our negotiations and have 1 hour special hockey celebrity deal or no deal?

  35. Mark C says:

    He’s off to a good start, IMO. It’s time to petition Bud to move the team into the central.

  36. RiverviewCanadien says:

    Lets hope so. But again, no playoffs, unless they really string some together and start getting base hits. HR can only win you so many games, but damn, they are free swinging this year!

  37. Caper says:

    Right you are. Alex A. is going to build himself a contender within 3 years.

  38. RiverviewCanadien says:

    Thanks for “catching” the humor.

     

    I hope it all works out in the end. I would sure love to see them back in playoffs again.

  39. Chuck says:

    Yep… they’re missing last season’s stats.

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  40. Max_a_million says:

    Aren’t those Carey Price stats wrong?!?  He has 60 wins and 48 losses I thought.

  41. Chuck says:

    Plus he’s 6 years younger…

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  42. Muckbringer says:

    oct yet?   balls!!!

  43. TorontoHabsFan says:

    Aw man, the playoffs were never a possibility this year :) Richard Griffin has been doing some good work, pointing out that the team is actually quite well set up for the near future – 2012. There’s a tonne of young players on the team now and in the system:

    1B – Wallace

    2B – Hill

    SS – Hechavarria

    3B – ?

    OF – Wells, Snider, ??

    C- Arebencia

    DH – Lind

    Rotation: Marcum, Romero, Cecil, Morrow, Litsch/Drabek

     

    And yes, summer time certainly does make one want to Catch De Taste!

     

     



  44. Chuck says:

    He’s no longer on his entry-level contract, so I don’t believe that he’s bonus-eligible.

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  45. Muckbringer says:

    who else is with me? were lookin good eh?!!!!!!”

  46. Mark C says:

    Escobar has been horrid this year, but his past two seasons have been very good. Based on WAR Escobar was the 5th best SS last year. The kid can play, also he’s a second half player.

  47. JasonM says:

    I’d guess he’ll get a 3 year 7M deal with bonus incentives that’ll bring his cap to about 3M a year.

  48. Muckbringer says:

    “i believe in you carey, cammi, gommer, gio and lapps….marki, pk and giller, ….

  49. Muckbringer says:

    i would have him sign something for sure, you?

  50. Mark C says:

    I’m a Red Sox fan and this is a great trade for the Jays. Getting Yunel Escobar with three years of control for A-Gonz is a steal.

  51. Muckbringer says:

    let me break it down like this…carey price is youre rock….do you embrace or do you shun….?

    youre vote please

  52. RiverviewCanadien says:

    Selling high by getting crap in return (EDIT: ok not crap). I agree with callyjo, it was a salary dump. See ya playoffs, AGAIN!

    Back to back champions and then this! I am now craving McCain punch, weird eh?

  53. Muckbringer says:

    yes sir…he is worth it if only these bastards would believe rather than critisis

     

  54. Muckbringer says:

    3m/yr given the obvious that you dont support him and then he proves himself after 3/4 of a year and you arse holes trade him for a third round

  55. RiverviewCanadien says:

    If he does not want to play in Montréal, then good riddance. He could be the most talented goalie in the league, but if you don’t want to be a Hab, then I don’t want you playing for my Habs. But I don’t think he feels that way, at least I hope not.

    He should NOT get anymore than a 2 year deal. Make him work for that BIG contract. If he can progress over those two years and get back to his early form, you lock him up tight like the Federal Reserve. You pay him the money up front and you keep him around for a while.

    I favored Halak. I know he will be great, but he no longer plays for the Canadiens. So my bet is on Price, that he will be the BETTER goalie, but that is only because he plays for my Habs right now.

    Carey…your serve.

     

    GO HABS GO!

  56. TorontoHabsFan says:

    I dunno, Gonzalez’ stats for the first half of this season are WAY above his recent averages…and as we all know, regression to the mean can be a real btch ;)

    I sincerely doubt that Gonzalez was in any long or even medium term plans – in two years our Cuban saviour should be manning short.

    It looks like a case of selling high to me.

  57. Muckbringer says:

    ive never seen this asked yet so ill slam them on the table

  58. Chorske says:

    Buddy, this deal doesn’t make sense for either party- the Habs commit to a major salary and a big cap hit in a market swamped with decent underpaid goalies– and Price gives up TWO years of UFA on a pittance salary. It’s a dumb deal for both parties.

    Explain how this deal makes sense to either party. And there’s a trick- you need to stay in reality: no trips to Wonderland.

  59. Muckbringer says:

    i really cant decide

  60. Muckbringer says:

    k, brass balls…Roy or desjardins?

  61. Muckbringer says:

    “we wouldve gotten away with it too if it wasnt for those meddaling refs”

  62. Muckbringer says:

    maybe, juat rolling the dice…id take price long term

     

  63. HabFab says:

    S

    Noticed you had queried a few posts back about Hamilton’s D this season. The name not mentioned back was David Urquhart (6th signed D).

    But believe they will need to sign two more to be able to keep 2 teams stocked for the season.

  64. RiverviewCanadien says:

    I am pissed at that deal. Gonzalez was having a great ride with 17HR, how much does this guy have…none?

  65. Muckbringer says:

    5 yrs 15, ill leave it up to you to run him out of town

  66. The Capitalist Pig says:

    The amount is fine. I would just like to lock him in for the term up until he becomes a UFA. He’s going to go after than on his own anyway. Why go through this melodrama again before he leaves?

  67. Muckbringer says:

    i will believe in everyone they sign untill after the allstar break and then ill pick my goat

  68. sidhu says:

    2 years, $2.65m per year.

    I think it’s high, but the Habs brass seems so into Carey I think they’ll settle in on this contract, with the expectation that Carey will blow them away after two years and then be entitled to a better deal.

  69. Chorske says:

    Jaysus, I think I just barfed a little. ;)

  70. Chorske says:

    I think anyone who reads this list of comparables and still thinks Carey is worth more than $2.5 million is too stupid to post on HIO.

    Anyone who thinks the Habs should lock him up for term at 4 million was dropped on their head as a baby.

    Two years max, 2 million per max. Anything more is egregious overspending.

  71. Muckbringer says:

    think about how many cups we wouldve won without the ontario connection……props to the french, save roy et Desardain!!!!!let us all just remember the win and realize we will see at least one more before we are done here!!!!

    are we not one?????

     

     

    whoes with me???!!!!

     

     

    GO HABS GO!!!!!!

  72. ProHabs says:

    12 year 52 million dollar contract front loaded. 6 million for the first 6 years than 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 and 1. Habs trade AK to fit Price under the salary cap this year.  Build the team around this guy he is a thoroughbred.  

  73. nickster13 says:

    and their dog!

  74. Muckbringer says:

    the +/- of being a believer is you have to always deal with the fact that maurice spawns in quebec rather than realizing it was the stratford streak that started this thing!!!!!  all hail Ontario!!!!!!

  75. Muckbringer says:

    im sorry and you are?

  76. Muckbringer says:

    twaite!!!

  77. Muckbringer says:

    so are you here to talk positives or choke?

  78. Muckbringer says:

    the +/- of being a believer is you have to always deal with the fact that maurice spawns in quebec rather than realizing it was the stratford streak that started this thing!!!!!  all hail Ontario!!!!!!

  79. RetroMikey says:

    And he may not play 60 games this season and he may not be our #1 goalie.

    We all wish he does well but does he really have what it takes to be our #1 goalie?

    Is he really our franchise player as everybody wants him to be?

    Does he really have to work out and fight to get that Number 1 job or will he come to training camp overconfident knowing the job is his and he does not have to sweat over the summer like other player that vie for a position in the NHL?

    Me thinks Gauthier made a mistake handing Price the Number 1 job even before training camp has started.

    “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

  80. Chorske says:

    Apples and oranges. An arbitrator won’t compare Price to Gomez, or Pleks- he’ll compare Price to other goalies of similar age and similar stats.

    And he won’t give a shite if Price is a throughbred, either. Pedigree counts for nothing- it’s all about results.

    $2 million per, max.

  81. Chuck says:

    Except that in this instance, we’re not dealing with an arbitrator. Just Price, his agent and the Habs.

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  82. Muckbringer says:

    right, here here!

  83. SLONCOLD says:

    uhm why would he sign a 3 year deal under 3.25m a year…. he’ll just wait to have a good season and then take u to the bank…….

  84. TripleX says:

    The Vezina is not awarded to the team.

    The Cy Young is not awarded to the team.

    Wins are a major contributor on why a particular goalie or pitcher enters the respective Halls of Fame.  It is an individual stat when comparing themselves to their competitors.

    It has always been done this way throughout history so I don’t understand what you are complaining about.

    “And I am really looking forward to watching Michael Cammalleri in the NHL. He had an awesome year in the AHL.” PIERRE McGUIRE

  85. petefleet says:

    Ditto all of it.

    Go Habs Go

  86. shahzeb says:

    oh my GOSH such a huge price… i still dont believe on this news:) but its true..

    because this is the funny world and any thing can happen there

    groupon clone

  87. Michael Rupkalvis says:

    LOL, I like Price, but he can be his own worst enemy.

  88. Mister_Hill says:

    Well, I hope they include a good psychiatrist in his new contract…

  89. habsgirl74 says:

    very well put, but you will never convince anyone that doesn’t have a bit of hockey sense that Price has good stats for his age and will only get better, its like talking to a brick wall with most people on here when it comes to Price

  90. Habifax says:

    They better make sure they don’t pay him too much that they can’t trade him. Also if they give him a no trade deal that would be a disaster. I still think the chances are good that he will self-destruct. So they better make a deal that they can trade him if needed. I would be a double whammy if he sucks and he has a deal that makes no other team want him.

  91. bwoar says:

    Fleury was a #1 and has a Cup already, he was integral in the SCF that year too.

  92. Xtrahabsfan says:

    Fourteen million for four years is my guess that Price is asking,swollow that!

  93. bwoar says:

    If he sucks, who would want him at any price?

  94. Mats Naslund says:

    All I know is that with a save percentage of .916 Martin Brodeur led the league winning 45 games last year. With a save percentage of .912 Carey won 13. Something tells me that his W/L record has a lot more to do with the team than everyone seems to think.

  95. The_Franchise31 says:

    doesnt the cap hit average out every year? y is everyone saying wut he should make personily? just the cap hit matters and…. 3 year 6 mil sounds good to me

  96. petefleet says:

    Put yourself in PG place.  He’s got a goalie that the organization has put on a pedestal and fallen all over for three years now but hasn’t prven a thing at the NHL level.  Price won 13 games last year, a 31% win percentage.  Realistically, what is that worth in terms of salary?  He got 2.2million last year because of bonuses.  What were the bonuses for?  Evidently not performance.  Most of the guys on the list have better winning % than Price with the exception of Mike Smith.  I say give him 1 million per with performance bonuses for winning.  At the end of each game it’s the score that counts, not how well you think your goalie played.

    Go Habs Go

  97. The_Franchise31 says:

    how can u write go habs go after bashing the team. i think these 9 halak wins in the playoffs got your memory lapsing cuz carey had an awesome rookie year and hade a great second year in front of a underacheving hockey team till he went done with an injurie. last year ill admit wasnt that good but it was only blown out of peportion cuz of a good year by halak. all im saying is give him a chance cuz hes wut we got so support your team and forget about traded players

  98. derfab says:

    What is clear is that:

    a) more than a few teams are paying way too much for their goaltending, that b) Howard, Quick and Rask (to name three on your list) are every bit as good as Halak or Price and that c) only a misguided idiot picks a goalie in the first round, EVER.

  99. Mark C says:

    double post

  100. Mark C says:

    Not that your wrong, but Rask was a 1st round pick. Also, not so sure that Quick is in the same league as the others, just a notch below.

  101. G-Man says:

    If a millionaire at 22 can’t take a little criticism, what is he doing in the NHL? Is he part of some secret society where only the positives are spoken about and all failings are swept under the rug or ignored?

  102. petefleet says:

    Being a fan does not mean you have to put blinders on.  Nor does it mean that you have to like or endorse every move that the GM / coach makes. Traded players…I didn’t even mention traded players.  Price’s numbers speak for themselves.  Stop blaming everyone and everything except the guy who has the stats.

    Go Habs Go

  103. Greg says:

    It’s interesting that we (they) attribute wins and losses to only one player on the team.  You never hear about how many games Mike Cammalleri won or lost, but no matter how well the goalie plays, if the team doesn’t win then the goalie “lost” the game.  Hockey is a team sport.  Price has pretty good numbers in every column except win-loss, which means he’s a pretty good goalie.  I’m surprised at the comparison with M-A Fleury! WIth that many losses, and that kind of GAA and SV%, it means the team wasn’t scoring in front of him.  Nothing he can do about that.  

    Compare his numbers with Halak’s, they’ve very very similar (outside of W-L-OTL column).  I don’t think it’s fair to hold “his” losses against him, when hockey is a sport that relies so heavily on every player on the ice.

     

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    -Gordie Howe

  104. GrimJim says:

    No the Vezina is not awarded to the team but neither is the Hart, Ross, Calder or Norris. Your’s is a false argument because the Vezina from 2010 to 2003 have all been won by excellent goalies playing for teams with a strong defensive system: Miller in Buffalo, Thomas in Boston, Brodeur (4 times) in New Jersey and Kipper in Calgary with Darryl Sutter coaching. Look at Luongo. His GAA in his years in Florida were 2.44, 2.77, 2.71, 2.43 and 2.97 or 796 goals in 318 games for 2.50. His Van stats are 2.29, 2.38, 2.34 and 2.57 or 630 goals in 271 games for 2.32. Interestingly his save % is in the same range through all nine years. Don’t say the team has nothing to do with a goalie’s performance.

  105. petefleet says:

    I’ll say it one more time…..look at Halaks #s including the wins.  Same team in front of him.

    Go Habs Go

  106. RS says:

    He may be a good prospect and our “number 1″ but he hasn’t even proven yet that he can be a consistent starting goalie in the NHL.

  107. PrimeTime says:

    ….and Tyler Hall has yet to prove to be an effective player either…..not that the 2 positions or players are comparable….just saying. Do fans really think that constant criticism of Carey is the solution??? or does it just make themselves feel better? Price could have the same stats as Halak last year (oh ya, he did) and it wouldn’t be enough…..what are the real reasons for the constant jabs and higher expectations??? Get a grip and chill people!

     

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  108. SLONCOLD says:

    howard also plays in an incredible system; he didn’t look to good int he playoffs and in big pressure situations either. Quick is very up and down and rask plays in a defense first system…

  109. petefleet says:

    Some of what you say I a gree with.  It is a team sport and you usually cannot blame just one guy for losses.  Win as a team, lose as a team, yada, yada, yada.  Having said that, I watched every game Price and Halak played for the last 3 years.  I watched some incredible performances by two fantastic young goalies.  I also watched some pretty ugly losses in that mix.  I’ll grant you that the team doesn’t always play as it should defensively but that’s where your goalie comes in and he has to make that save.  In the dying minutes, he has to make that save.  That’s what he’s there for.  No, he can’t make every save but he has to make the big ones.  That’s where Price is different from Halak.  Price gives up.  I’ve seen it over and over.  How do you think the team feels about that?  Halak battles through even after he’s let in 4 or 5 and that really shows character.  I don’t ever remember him giving up.  I use Halak as a comparison because he was the obvious comparison.  Fleury would also be a good character comparison.  They never quit or look to blame anyone.

    Go Habs Go

  110. light_n_tasty says:

    Martin Brodeur was a first-rounder.  So was Cam Ward.  So was J.S. Giguere.  So was Roberto Luongo.  Hmmmmm…….all idiot picks.

  111. Mr.Hazard says:

    Like with Pleky, this is Price’s big chance for a big contract. If he signs one year and doesn’t play well (a definite possibility), his value goes down, and no one will want to give him long-term money. He has the Habs’ hands tied, he can argue his “potential”, his accomplishments so far, his young age, etc.

    He might never be in this good of a position to ask for money again (ie. if he doesn’t perform to expectations). Personally I hope Carey will make it so I’m not missing Jaro for long. But I don’t have any confidence in the guy.

    “We didn’t give up and we are not giving up.” – Jaroslav Halak

  112. petefleet says:

    Price could have the same stats as Halak last year (oh ya, he did)

    NO, He didn’t.  He played in 41 games, as did Halak but the stat that counts was not there….wins.  Check again.  All the other stats mean nothing if the team doesn’t win.  End of story and don’t say it was the teams fault that Price didn’t win.  If that’s the case, it was wasn’t the teams fault that Halak did get the wins.  You can’t have it both ways.  Same team plays in front of both.

    Go Habs Go

  113. TripleX says:

    I suggest you look at the stats again.  Halak was superior in every single category.  The same?

     

    “And I am really looking forward to watching Michael Cammalleri in the NHL. He had an awesome year in the AHL.” PIERRE McGUIRE

  114. Mr. Biter says:

    3 years for  $6-6.75 mil. If we only do a 1 year deal and he plays good his stock rises and his salary demands for next year also go up. Lock him up for 3 years. BTW why did PG pay BP so much and not offer DM a deal. Can’t figure those 2 moves out.

  115. jkirk says:

    At this point Price should be paying to play for the Habs.

    Anyways, I hope they don’t spend so much on him that they have nothing left to reward Auld with when he finally wins a long battle to be the starting goaltender and brings us into the third round of the playoffs.

    Does anyone know what Martin thinks about Price? I imagine the coach must be pretty frustrated by this situation. What happens if Price continues his year and a half long trend of being a losing netminder, and Martin wants to start Auld? 

  116. Chorske says:

    If you mean 4.5million over two years, 2.25 million per, then HECK YEAH, I agree.

    If, however, you mean 4.5 million per year… madness. Why not throw your kidneys and firstborn child in, too?

    $4million. Unbelievable. That’s MARKOV money.

    Also, explain to me how to give $4.5 million to Price and still have money for those magic free agents.

  117. RGM says:

    My prediction is that he’ll sign 2 years, $4.5M. Hopefully sooner rather than later, so that we can put an end to this idle chatter and start focusing on what free agents we should sign to deals.

    Scotty Bowman said it best: “Don’t trade Carey Price.”

  118. Favorite Son says:

    With what money?

  119. Muckbringer says:

    usually i would agree but im loving the chatter. the problem is he deserves a monster contract, but even if he took a discount all the bastards would not let him be. i really think he is moving on,,,,,dont blame him

  120. Exit716 says:

    There’s no need to worry about that happening. Both are cut from the same lazy stupid ass hockey player cloth.

     

  121. StevieRay says:

    That’s what I’m afraid of..and don’t forget Laps will be playing for a contract this year also . I just hope if they go we get something fairly substantial in return .. like a couple of first round picks ..

    Damn cap ……….

  122. Bugs says:

    Maybe we can just ask him really nice to take 800K a year for 2-3 years and to tell his agent to keep his potato-chewer shut?

    Has no one even considered this option?

    Ask’m nice, ferpetessakes. I’m sure he can be reasonable.

    No matter how much he makes, he still has to stop the puck, knowumsayin?

    …fleury at 5.75… haw-haw!

    Keepin it real, I be chillin as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  123. G-Man says:

    2 yrs at 2mil per.

    No more.

    Price 09/10: 13W- 20L- 5 OTL with a 2.77 GAA.

    60W- 48L – 18 OTL

    The new #1 is a below .500 goalie with “potential.” Whoopee!

  124. Habs4ever Fan says:

    I’d offer him a one way ticket to Hamilton where he belongs

  125. luca says:

    its plugs like you why pricer wont succeed here in montreal,he is so sick of being booed beacause of a weak goal.This kid has shown he can be dominate but times has struggled because he goes in net and is scared poopless cuz he knows if he lets in a bad goal he is doomed which sucks

  126. Bugs says:

    Pow!

    Nice one.

    Keepin it real, I be chillin as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  127. Propwash says:

    I don’t know why there is so much freaking out going on. There’s lots of time to sign him.

     

    Goalies in Montreal have two roles, netminder and scapegoat. 

  128. Bill says:

    The Habs hold the hammer in these negotiations: Price is an RFA in a bear market for goaltenders. The Habs should be able to get him under contract for something like a 1.5 million cap hit for short term, based on his career numbers.

    However, I believe they will probably use these negotiations as another opportunity to woo Price: they really believe in him and want him. So they will probably overpay, and I’m predicting a six million dollar, two year contract.

    Full Breezer 4 Life

  129. TripleX says:

    I have the same feeling Bill.  Market value dictates 1.5 to 2 million but PG will give him something in the range of 3 million.

     

     

    “And I am really looking forward to watching Michael Cammalleri in the NHL. He had an awesome year in the AHL.” PIERRE McGUIRE

  130. TripleX says:

    People calm down.  Price is an RFA and has ZERO leverage.

    At least that is what everyone was telling me when PG traded Halak.  Halak is just WAY above what the Habs can afford.  But Price?  He will be cheap, cheap and cheap.

     

     

    “And I am really looking forward to watching Michael Cammalleri in the NHL. He had an awesome year in the AHL.” PIERRE McGUIRE

  131. TorontoHabsFan says:

    They told you that, and they were right. Just wait. As I’ve said a bazillion times – an RFA with no arbitration rights has no leverage. None. He can’t do anything except hold out or accept an offer sheet. If either of those things happened I’ll eat my hat (and this thing on my head has its own ecosystem after all this heat).

    ALL he can do is slow down negotiations and hope that he causes the natives to get restless, demanding that management sign him RIGHT AWAY!!1!. And hey, sometimes it works. Newspapers need to sell papers, websites need to generate clicks, and what easier article is there to write in Montreal than “OMG the sky is falling!”.

    Just relax. It’ll get done when it gets done. You are right though, term will likely be an issue – I’m just not sure which way either side is thinking.

     

  132. light_n_tasty says:

    He’s got a bit more leverage now that he’s the only option.

  133. Bill says:

    I would say not less than 2.75. They don’t want to play hardball with him, because they see him as a cornerstone player, and you don’t play hardball with a cornerstone player.

    Full Breezer 4 Life

  134. TripleX says:

    Yes, it all has to do with ensuring no feathers are ruffled.

    Same thing with giving Pouliot an underserved raise.  He is considered a blue chipper and they don’t want to upset him, compared with Laps who was told to basically take what you can get and be happy.

    If as I suspect Price signs a short term contract then PG wants him to be happy with the salary to smooth coming negotiations.

     

    “And I am really looking forward to watching Michael Cammalleri in the NHL. He had an awesome year in the AHL.” PIERRE McGUIRE

  135. Mark C says:

    What do you think the odds are that Price would holdout into the season?  Who was the last NHL player to hold out into the season?

  136. Duracell3 says:

    Not sure how long Kessel actually held out, but he certainly would have, although at least partially because of his injury situation.

  137. Bahamut-Prime says:

    I think the deal Cam Ward signed after WINNING A CONN SMYTHE AND STANLEY CUP would look pretty good.

    3 years 2 2.5 2.5

    He was about the same age but it was his rookie season and I think that inexperience and uncertainty is what hurt him in negotiations.

  138. TripleX says:

    He most definitely won’t be cheap, but I think the hold up is all about the term.

    With the glut of goalies available right now I doubt an offer will happen but anything is possible.

     

    “And I am really looking forward to watching Michael Cammalleri in the NHL. He had an awesome year in the AHL.” PIERRE McGUIRE

  139. dpthehabsfan says:

    What Price is right?

    One year at no more than $1.5 Mil. He still has to prove he’s a big time and big money goaltender.

    If the Habs are willing to risk it all on him, he should be willing to take risks too.

  140. sidhu says:

    I’ll just put this out there as a contrast to the Carey discussion — going after Chuck Kobasew for some offensive depth — he’s a right shot, plays a gritty game, played with Moen and JG in the WHL, is only signed for this season, can play on PK and PP. 

  141. Clay4bc says:

    Patrick Roy got bood in this town…Rocket Richard got bood in this town. And these are players who actually accomplished something. If Price can’t handle a little pressure – if he is “scared”, as you say –  he doesn’t belong in this city, or even this league.

    __________________________

    “This has to be the mother of all brain-dead decisions.” Red Fisher regarding the Halak trade.

  142. Muckbringer says:

    he would take less if you damn buggers would just welcome him. think of jordan if his fans booed him everytime he missed a shot….im with you carey!!!!!rage on!!!!!!!

  143. Don Carnage says:

     Keep talking to yourself why dont ya !

  144. Muckbringer says:

    solidarity family…solidarity

  145. Muckbringer says:

    REMEMBER the EXPOS!!!!

  146. Muckbringer says:

    we tend to predict failure so we can save face. remember how sweet it was in 93 when we said “yes, pull Roy, we shall over come!” “call mcsorley” “Desardain!!!!!” now we are building on a new memory. all you naysayers need to sink, swim, or find a new passion

  147. Muckbringer says:

    is it halloween yet?

  148. habanero says:

    I know he had a forgetable season but Price’s stats from last year should be added to those totals.

    134 games … 60 – 48 – 18   .912  2.74 (?) … the gaa is approximate

  149. Muckbringer says:

    i had no probs with his performance, halak stole it in the playoffs but really price was good; mind you, as far as his career goes he would be the next brodeur somewhere else.  only because they wont support him when he falls here. 

     

  150. Muckbringer says:

    i hate how people think he had a bad year, kalak got hot in the playoffs but lets not forget the team played better infront of him. I REALLY THINK PRICE IS THE REAL DEAL BUT IF YOU KEEP BOOING HIM……..YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW

  151. TripleX says:

    Mr. Boone I have been lectured on many times that Price is a special case with no comparable goalies in the NHL.  He is unique in respect to age and experience.

    I agree that the goalies you have mentioned at the very least lay the groundwork for what the market dictates for Prices’s potential contract.

    Many others on HIO vehemently disagree. Price is special and unique and therefore he sets his own market value.  I think they are just justifying beforehand what I believe will be a contract closer to 3 million than 2 million annually.

     

    “And I am really looking forward to watching Michael Cammalleri in the NHL. He had an awesome year in the AHL.” PIERRE McGUIRE

  152. StevieRay says:

    2.5 a year for 2 years. That should give Price enough time to earn his spurs with this team. I can’t see the team in front of him changing to much in that time due to the fact we have 4 forwards making 5 -7 mil a year in that time so those salary numbers pretty much tie our hands. Especially with Markov;s future demands if he stays a Hab and if for some reason AK becomes the type of player he’s capable of. If that occurs…. he’ll want 6 million a year .. ,Markov will also demand that if he stays healthy..so the only player movement I see from year to year for the next few seasons is the bottom 6 forwards who make 600,000 to 800,000.

  153. Muckbringer says:

    can we agree not to get on him when he lets a weak one in? im in

  154. Muckbringer says:

    how can you put a price on letting a few go in? no pun…

     

  155. Clay4bc says:

    If AK (or Pouliot, for that matter) perform like they are capable of, we will be saying goodbye to them too…we will never be able to fit their salaries under the cap.

    __________________________

    “This has to be the mother of all brain-dead decisions.” Red Fisher regarding the Halak trade.

  156. kirkiswork says:

    I think $1,000,000 or $1,500,00 is fair. Carey may be the goalie of the future but should be paid as the goalie of the present until he proves that he is the goalie of the future.

    I haven’t heard about any offers coming from any other teams so I think that is an indication of his present value.

    Anyway I hope it works out for Carey especially on the ice.

  157. Muckbringer says:

    i would give him 4 mill over 1 year, think about the question

     

  158. Chuck says:

    You’re asking him to, presumably as the #1 goalie, play around 60 games this season. And you want to give him a contract that would have him paid the least dollars per minute of ice time on the whole team?

    _____________________________________

    Cheer for the crest on the front of the jersey, not the name on the back.

  159. Muckbringer says:

    this day and age even 3 is a monster

     

  160. Muckbringer says:

    3m…room for 1 more and injuries


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