Carbo juggles lines to face Lightning

The Gazette’s Pat Hickey reports that the Canadiens’ lineup for the Lightning in Tampa Bay looks like this:

Koivu centring Latendresse and Sergei Kostitsyn
Plekanec between Kovalev and Andrei Kostitsyn
Lapierre centring Higgins and Ryder
Kostopoulos between Streit and Dandenault

Kyle Chipchura is the healthy scratch.

156 Comments

  1. sidhu says:

    Well, so much for good news after X-mas. I don’t see anything wrong with the simple formula of having two scoring lines, one checking line to shadow the other team’s best line, and an energy/speed line to bang around. This formula worked for the 1993 Habs, it should work for us too.

    Also, this two defenseman on offense scheme has to come to an end, especially if we are struggling to score.

    Higgins-Koivu-S. Kostit
    A. Kostit-Pleks-Kovy
    Kosto-Chipper-Ryder
    Lats-Lapierre-Dandy

    Markov-Komi
    Hamr-OB
    Cube-Streit

  2. howtathor says:

    I think Chips is a much better playmaker than Kosto. I don’t understand leaving Chips out of the lineup. I agree that he would be better with Higgins and Ryder with Laps moving down to the fourth. Anyway, seeing these lines is a real shocker. I’m glad that Ryder is getting a chance to redeem himself and Laps works hard along the boards to dig out the puck for him.

  3. Shawn S says:

    I think its time we form the Can Carbo Coalition. This is getting ridiculous. Can we please stick to constant lines for at least a 5 game stretch. And what has Chips done to deserve to be benched too?? Between Captain K’s not so glorius December to Carbo’s terrible decisions, I’m having a hard a time following my beloved team.

  4. The Teacher says:

    Hey, a silver lining.

  5. krob1000 says:

    That third line is like a live drill to force both Lapierre and Higgins to try looking around them. Higgins seems to be MR. everything and seems to excel at whatever role they give him. Whoa!!!Teacher I think you hit the nail on the head. Maybe Carbo is not the mad scientist after all….he is forcing Higgins to play with Ryder and he will have no choice but to pass to Ryder. Could this be a real time teamwork drill to get those guys playing together again. If Ryder and Higgins can learn to play along side each other again then maybe we could have our great first line from the beginning of the season back and Koivu cvuold join them again. You know I have no real order to the thoughts I am throwing out here right now because I am really getting excited at the possibilites. I have decide I like this.

    If Sergei K proves he can mix it up enough to play like a more aware Higgins and Lats goes tot he net …that works. The second line we know always works so I am perplexed as why we don’t mix it up and just see what is possible(although I expect that to happen). The third line cuold actually be very smart and force Higgins and Lapierre to use their heads in an upright position, give Laps some confidence and Ryder a realistic shot at getting back on track. The fourth line may just be used for special teams filling in here and there and buying time.

    The more I write the more I like it. I am getting excited …the same way I did about the Nashville game….weird but fun.

  6. drecha says:

    You are right, now that I grabbed my funnel and shot gunned four beers, the line up is not so bad, could be the beer goggles though. wait, yep, it’s just the beer goggles cause I just looked at this picture of Rosy O’donnell and she is not looking so bad!! OK better put the funnel down!!

    http://tallfreak.com/2007/06/01/rosie-the-terrorist/

    GoHabsGo!!!

  7. coutNY says:

    They usually do on Thrusdays. We’ve only lost 1 game (Sens in a close one) all year…

  8. mjames says:

    Well I know Kostopoulis is not going to score. As nuch as this guy tries he does not have the skill. I would have sat him with Chips centering the line. Youth youth. I much rather lose with youth.

    As an aside – Tampa Bay will take it to us , they will employ a strong forecheck. If we sit back as Carbo is want to do we will be chasing the puck all night. It would please me to no end if Carbo would let them skate but I have no confidence in that guy.

    mjames

  9. The Teacher says:

    Ok, I’ve taken a deep breath.

    Thanks Krob1000 for bringing some levity.

    The first two lines don’t look so bad.

    The last two look downright weird.

    Higgins with Ryder is my problem. and Lappy isn’t exactly a passer. But he’ll go into the corner’s and hopefully free up space? I guess Higgins won’t have any other option BUT to pass to Ryder?

    ayiyiyiyi

    The fourth line needs a center.

    Chipper should not be benched, but I agree he is probably mature enough to understand.

  10. T-roy West says:

    I am so pissed of right now. I’ve been saying all along that Higgins should play with Chipchura on the third line and now that it could happen, he sits Chipchura. Carbonneau is an idiot. Third line should be Higgins, Chipchura and Lapierre or S. Kostitsyn. Carbo, I really feel like punching him in the face. God I’m pissed!!!!

  11. hockeydevil says:

    Ouch…maybe he reads tea leaves?! :p

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  12. krob1000 says:

    Not my first choice but interesting….

    I have already stated my preferences but I do like that a major change is in order and that we have managed to pry apart the Higgins/Koivu combo. This at least shows me a willingness to change and I bet Carbo drank him self silly in order to force himself to do it. I will definitely call this progress and I don’t thinkt hsi is meant as any disrespect to Chipchura as it is more of an experimental test run and I expect tonight there will be more juggling. I do not like the constant juggling but if it is to be done I am happy to see a major shakeup instead of trying every guy in the organization with Koivu and Higgins.

    I am not too sure who the center is on that fourth line either but he can’t be any worse than our centers in the faceoff circle (just kidding).

    All in all ….I like it because I know Chips will be back and it is a change. Ryder and Higgins should not be together but at least Ryder is not on a fourth line and Lapierre may actually get going offensively. He has been our BEST penalty killer and forechecker so I understand rewarding him. Chips has not played poorly and I don’t think this move was made as a punishment to him. I know people are going to go crazy over this.

    This is more of an experiment to get a few different guys going and see what Sergei K, Lats, Lapierre, Ryder can do in diffferent situations. The zanier things get the more I think that Carbo is actually smarter than we think. They are testing the youth in different positions.

    By the way the Leafs just made some lineup changes as well….Blake has been demoted to the fourth line after his 36 game chance.

  13. hockeydevil says:

    I hope the team shows up tonight…

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  14. Cable Guy says:

    Totally agree with you, the first line looks interesting.

  15. Xtrahabsfan says:

    First of all,Carbo ,you are a Mad man for: 1} sitting Chipchura 2}continuing to endlessly change lines only to continually change lines during the game.If you are not going to make the Trades needed with GAINEY,THEN PLEASE GO BACK TO DALLAS AND TAKE Gainey and Ryder with you!

  16. The Teacher says:

    One reason is as good as another with Carbo I guess.

  17. Sask Habs Fan says:

    I’m sick of this crap just like everybody else. It pains me to say it, but I kind of hope we go on a losing skid and Carbo gets canned. We need some consistency in our line up. And a new coach. Benching Chips while Dandy and Streit go on a line together? He’s +1. They are -7 and -6. I think I have OFFICIALLY become a Carbo basher.

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  18. JF says:

    I like the lines except the benching of Chipchura. I would put him between Streit and Dandenault. He is hardworking and consistent, and gets better from game to game. I have no problem with Latendresse being on the first line. He and Koivu worked well together last year.

    After the horrible effort against Dallas, some kind of shake-up was foreseeable. Also, Ryder needs to play. Who knows, this might work.

  19. Blitzen says:

    Maybe Carbo is worried about what Kosto would do to him if he sat him.

  20. The Teacher says:

    Now I just started to laugh.

  21. PattyBoy31 says:

    Exactly, I really haven’t been a Carbo-basher, but this is ridiculous. Ryder and Higgins aren’t checking line forwards, maybe there was some unreal chemistry with these lines in practice but unless the Habs pull off a huge win against Tampa, carbo just put himself in an even worse position

  22. Sulemaan says:

    That’s a good one. I laughed out loud when I read your post.

  23. Sulemaan says:

    That’s not even funny.

  24. Blitzen says:

    I’m guessing Carbo had a chat with Chips and explained that they were going to see if they could Ryder going again. Chips looks solid enough mentally to not take this badly. Chips won’t sit long term however so I’m guessing Ryder better score tonight.

  25. Cable Guy says:

    Carbo “Magic 8 ball, will I still have a job at the end of the season?”

    8 Ball “Outlook Not So Good”

  26. Klondike Habs Fan says:

    YOure right, that just to awful. Sorry.

  27. Sulemaan says:

    None of Kostopoulous, Streit or Dandenault can take face-offs effectively. Furthermore Chipchura has more points than Kosto and Dandy. Streit has more points than Chipchura but he also has the worst +/- on the team at -7.

    The only reason I can think of sitting Chipchura is that the coaching staff feels he hasn’t been playing hard the past few games. I’d play him before Dandenault as I really don’t like the look of that 4th line at all.

    At least Ryder might get a shot with some decent linemates such as Higgins and Lapierre.

  28. The Teacher says:

    Please don’t even think that.

  29. Klondike Habs Fan says:

    Maybe Chipper’s been traded?!?

  30. The Teacher says:

    Man, I echo your sentiments of Chipper.

    The only thing I can think of is that he is still drunk? or has a really bad sunburn?

  31. drecha says:

    I was being patient with Carbo, but I have had enough with this crap, there is no rhyme or reason for his moves!! I really think (hope) things are going to happen soon!!

    GoHabsGo!!!

  32. coutNY says:

    Is Carbo playing a game of 52 pick up with 22 cards? Juggling chainsaws makes more sense to me… come on Carb!

  33. Klondike Habs Fan says:

    I like the Lapierre / Higgy / Ryder line, enough. But to sit Chipchura is a wierd one. After ten minutes if we are not up by one, and Carbo begins the line juggling, I hope Ryder gets some time with Kovalev and Plekanek.

    Go Ryder, time to break out.

  34. theflower says:

    Oh jesus, I have seen and heard it all. I mean of all guys to bench, you bench the most consistent, hard working youngster on our team? I mean what kind of message does that send. Chips is one guy who has come to play every night and this is the reward he gets? Wow all I can say is Merry Christmas Chips! Play another incredibly awful game against Dallas and now we bench a kid who plays well haha! Carbo, is losing it! I have been hoping he would at least take Christmas to check his brain for grey matter, but I guess not. My faith in this staff and Gainey’s inability to make a good trade is starting to worry me. Let’s just hope for once I am wrong! On a positive note, if you can call it one, I bought a brick for the Centennial Plaza! So at least I can goto Montreal one day and stare at a brick and remember the greatness and the history that is somehow lost with todays’ team!

  35. Leclerc1965 says:

    We are off to a flying start aren’t we guys?

  36. drecha says:

    Cheers!!!

    GoHabsGo!!!

  37. Leclerc1965 says:

    8 ball?

  38. G-Man says:

    Chipchura benched over Ryder! I guess the less effective you are the more ice time you get!
    Gilbert

  39. Leclerc1965 says:

    I say we all have a few drinks in celebration of Carb’s continued demolition of a decent young team, at least by the time the games starts we will all be drunk enough not to care.

  40. The Teacher says:

    I think he uses BOGGLE.

  41. Cable Guy says:

    I think Carbo uses a Ouji board to pick his lines.

  42. drecha says:

    I am really starting to get sick of this Juggling act!!! How is it possible for any of these lines to mesh with each other?? I am confused with the way Carbo is handling the team this year, and I am waiting for Gainey to step in and staighten Carbo out!!

    GoHabsGo!!!

  43. The Teacher says:

    Haha, it could work but I think Ryder is not positionally sound enough to play with Kovalev.

  44. JF says:

    I’m glad to see someone defending Carbonneau. I think he’s shaping up to become a very good coach, despite some mistakes and a tendency to panic when the team is in a slump. He is learning a lot this year, and by next should be making fewer mistakes. As for the line juggling, most of us can agree that he hasn’t a lot to work with; also, none of the combinations, with the exception of Plekanec between Kovalev and Kostitsyn, has been consistently productive. There seems to be a spark one night, then it goes out. Sometimes apparently off-the-wall combinations can produce results. Remember the game against Nashville? Carbo juggled the lines apparently at random and looked like a genius until halfway through the third period.

    About benching Chipchura. Someone suggested that might be a move to keep him fresh for tomorrow’s game, in which a strong defensive centre will be necessary.

  45. Moey says:

    Hi Lee,

    Glad you’re back. A voice of reason….phew!!!! You’re right on, nobody knows why Chippy is sitting, my only real criticism of Carbo lately is his picks for shootouts. I’m sure he would love some consistency to their play as much as we would.

    The broken records are back in full force, just put on pause for the holidays.

  46. 24 Cups says:

    Hey Captain Cournoyer – what are you trying to say here? That you’re only 21 years old? I’m not buying that for one minute:-) Maybe in dog years!! OR does it mean you were born in 1921?!

    The Original 24 Cups

  47. Bouleau noir says:

    Is Guy Lafleur the writer you (Lee) are refering to ?
    Althought I dont read the Journal of Montreal I am aware that Lafleur has been quite critical of the team’s allure and performances,.. are you saying that Carbo hasn’t been one of his worries thus far ?

  48. krob1000 says:

    Not sure at all….just my guess. I just think we have a lot of young guys playing surprisingly well and someone has to sit. It would make sense to have one of the older guys sit tomorrow. I could be wrong (pretty good chance) but I don’t think it will be Chips. I think guys are just going to have to take their turn and if Ryder does get going it is going to create a really good internal competition. If we have to sit guys out as punishments then I don’t think it has the same effect. Positive Reinforcement will work better than punishment. You know that you’re a teacher. Although some guys just need a kick in the ass…but genereally speaking.

  49. G-Man says:

    Bowman would recognize who was playing well and who wasn`t within the first 10 or 15 minutes of the 1st period. If the player wasn`t performing, he sat. He juggled lines constantly trying to fit together a win. These players just aren`t anywhere near as dominant, so juggling doesn`t amount to much. (Except 2nd guessing from every Habs fan.)

    Gilbert

  50. The Teacher says:

    You can thank the stupid 3 point games for that.

  51. Lee Hayes says:

    I’m confused as well, and I too find it wild that 5th and 12th are separated by a win!

    Robert you know that I can’t lay it all at Carbo’s feet.

    Go Habs Go

  52. Leclerc1965 says:

    Point taken…I hope we can revisit this tomorrow with a win.

  53. Lee Hayes says:

    Last place….Of course now your playing the ‘ what if’s ‘.

    Do you enjoy watching the team? I sure as hell do. Heck I think we’re overachieving with the lineup we have.

    Stop blaming Carbo for the worlds troubles and enjoy watching the boys wreck the lightning.
    Seriously have to walk the dogs now.
    Go Habs Go

  54. Robert L says:

    I try to look at the overall picture as well, but our fifth place sitting is just a loss away from ninth.

    Perhaps Carbo is just feeling out some things in preparation for a one line opponant. I liked the top two lines until I saw Higgins on the third and no center on the 4th. Sitting Chipchura makes little sense unless unless looked in one of two ways. Either the coach wants to light a fire before complacency sets in too deep, not just in Chips, but in others as well. Or he’s rotating the press box seat in order not let anyone get rusty.

    As for it being easy to turn negative too quickly at this point, I’m just too confused by the output of this lineup considering the talent in it. There’s too much skill and work ethic on this team for it to amount to so little.

  55. The Teacher says:

    Ok, Lappy has been the hardest worker for the last 5 games, agreed.

    Are you sure about the fact an older guy would be sitting tomorrow. i mean, we all thought Ryder would get a chance to play against Dallas. sometimes Carbo doesn’t make the moves that seem obvious, but anyways. We’ll see what the game brings us tonight.

  56. Leclerc1965 says:

    I do appreciate your optimism though, I just don’t get this guy Carbonneau.

  57. krob1000 says:

    I really don’t think Chips is the “hardest working” rookie…definitely the most consistent. You know what you get with him and I think that is why he made the team. Again folks I don’t think you are going to see Chips sitting for any length of time. He does need to get a little grittier but I don’t think this has anything to do with that. Lapierre right now is easilt the hardest worker player let alone rookie. I don’t know how he managed to be an offensive threat at in the AHL but he can work. Chipchura hardly expected to play every game when he made the team so to sit out one game is not going to damage him.

    This is not like the sitting of Ryder (punishment)or Begin and Kosto (punishment). This is an experimental move and maybe a somewhat of a reminder that they would like him to play harder (not effort wise because it is always there…but more physical). We now may be in the fortunate (for Carbo) and unfortunate (players) situation where we have too many young guys fighting for spots and there are only 12 forward spots available. This kind of competition can be a good thing…guys getting the nod becaiuse someone is being punished isn’t exactly confidence building. We also play a game tomorrow night and you can bet it will be an older guy that sits tomorrow (my guess is it won’t be Chips even if we win).

  58. Lee Hayes says:

    Now there’s a salient point, and one of the few areas that I am concerned with. With the coaching staff we have we should never have letdowns at anytime during any period!

    Talk to you later Teach…gotta go walk the dogs. Have a good one.
    Go Habs Go

  59. Leclerc1965 says:

    I would love to agree with you but being in 5th place in the East is no big deal. Without our goaltenders, we wouldn’t be 17-14, more like 10-21. That would put us where?

  60. The Teacher says:

    I think he is severely sun-burned. Only thing that makes sense. It is not really an injury per-se. So would still be regarded as a healthy scratch LMAO.

    Well, another year and a half is where I’m expecting us to really come into our own. so time will tell if you’re right. I just don’t see the effort level from our team being where it should be.

  61. Leclerc1965 says:

    Sorry Lee, maybe a drink wouldn’t put it into perspective for you. Riddle me this….we are half way through this season and we haven’t figured out our line combinations. We also seem to lose games in the same way, we have all talked about the system Carbonneau has in place that just doesn’t work. What has Carbonneau done to change the way this team is playing? Line juggling on a nightly basis is a sign of desperation. Let’s face it Lee, if it weren’t for our goaltending (which has been outstanding this year), this team wouldn’t be 17-14, they would be more like 10-21. This team has good young talent and decent veterans with above average goaltending…..should be at least a .500 club right? Wrong. Again, without the goalies, we are extremely mediocre. I don’t settle for mediocre and neither should this franchaise. I am surprised as a hockey fan you don’t see this. Stop living in the past and giving Guy Carbonneau accolades for his past contribution to the old NHL. This is the new NHL and he is not a good coach. This is a guy who can’t even motivate rookies to at least play with passion and not fall into bad habits that they are continually guilty of. Would Scotty Bowman or Jacques Demers, or even a coach like Ted Nolan settle for this type of play? It’s all about the coach man, look at the 97 Buffalo Sabres or even this year’s New York Islanders. Ted Nolan (No I am not a Sabre fan), can motivate average players to play, Guy Carbonneau cannot. Guy was a great hockey player but he has a lot to learn about coaching.

  62. Lee Hayes says:

    Hey teach. Do you actually know why he’s SITTING out a game? I don’t, and I’ve read everything available in two languages on the subject today.

    ‘How many years of tinkering would you say is good? So far it’s at 1 and a half.’
    I’d say three years is a decent amount of time for the GM and coach to bring a winning lineup together.

    Go Habs Go

  63. Guy21 says:

    Carbo has finally lost it,a healthy scratch of Chipchura is insane,he is one of the best young players to come along in years.Latendresse is an AHL player-he can’t skate-and is an embarrasement to the team.Time for Bob to step in and do something before its too late.Carbo already demoted Chips to the fourth line and put Lapierre on the 3rd-why.because Lapierre can skate faster??I’m really worried about the team in general,they seem as if they are not interested and that is bad.I love Koivu but its time for him to go-we need someone who is tough.Did you see Morrow bouncing Habs around the other night??Saku had done everything he is able for Montreal,both the team and the city but its time to go……..H E L P

  64. Lee Hayes says:

    Only if your buying….of course I do prefer smoke;) Explains a few things in my post now doesn’t it?
    I realize I’m surely to be in the minority on this issue here, and I’ll let it be known, I am no martyr, nor am I a shrinking violet. So I’ll be giving just as well as I get.
    It’s easy to be negative at this point in the season sitting in 5th place, with an extremely young team(sarcasm). I prefer to really look at the overall picture, a talent of mine. Care to join me?
    Go Habs Go

  65. Proudones says:

    Amen to all that!

  66. The Teacher says:

    I don’t know Lee. I find it dumb to bench your hardest working rookie. what kind of message is that supposed to send?

    How many years of tinkering would you say is good? So far it’s at 1 and a half.

  67. Leclerc1965 says:

    Have another drink Lee.

  68. Lee Hayes says:

    When you have a young team you experiment.
    When lines and players don’t meet expectations you tinker.
    That’s what we’re seeing so far this season, our second year coach trying to find the winning chemistry.
    And for this someone would like to ‘punch him in the face’. Are you serious?
    Guy is shaping into a force behind the bench, with the incredible tutelage of Mr. Gainey, Guy should provide us with the passionate leadership that our storied franchise demands. Luckily Guy does not come to this site in his spare moment of the day to read the drivel that is constantly splattered his way. I find it surprising that posters whom I traditionally really enjoy reading could have their heads so far up their arse’s on this issue. I’ll worry about Carbo when a writer whom I respect(within the organization) brings anything worrysome to light.
    Untill then Go Guy Go.
    Go Habs Go

  69. SlySil says:

    HABS 2007-8 CHECKIST (checking it twice)

    GM who has a terrible record of trading and signing UFAs or current RFA’s (CHECK)

    Coach with no experience and shows it in year 2 (CHECK)

    Defensive coach who never played Defence and turns 6’5 hitting machines into pussy cats (CHECK)

    Assistant coach known throughout career as a hard worker who can’t get his charges to play 40-60 minutes of hockey AND HAS NO EXPERIENCE (Check)

    Defensemen playing forward (Check)

    30 goal scorer being placed in an impossible situation to score and increase his value (CHECK)

    Career Back-up goalie who never played 50 games in a season stealing experience from Franchise goalie (CHECK)

    Sitting out most consistent Rookie the game after Christmas (CHECK)

    Not winning a cup at least once in decade for the first time in TEN DECADES (CHECK)

  70. The Teacher says:

    Chipchura is English…THAT must be the reason LMAO

  71. Thumper says:

    Carbo has gone crazy again and what has Chipchura done wrong? surely and I know hes a better choice than a defense man playing attack.

  72. The Teacher says:

    Kosto Chipper and Ryder?? is that your checking line or your energy/speed line?

    To me it doesn’t qualify for either.

  73. howtathor says:

    don’t even think that! I really think that RYDER is being showcased tonight for a trade most like Jim Rutherford of the ‘Canes.

  74. The Teacher says:

    We can always dream, can’t we :) That’s the only thing I can think of putting Higgins and Ryder on the same line with a pure fore-checker and defensive specialist. Maybe Ryder will get a lucky goal. Could be all he needs.

  75. Proudones says:

    I’d bench Lapierre before Chips at this stage.

  76. MannyP says:

    No, he’s benching Chipchura because he hasn’t been playing very well the last couple of games. Well, the least well from the potential candidates to be benched.

  77. doug says:

    Carbo shuffling lines? SHOCKING!

    First line – interesting enough. . . don’t have a huge problem with it. Big guy to shoot, fast guy to give and receive passes from Koivu

    Second line – intact

    Third line – mix and match without any clear strategy. Hard working speedy guy with no hands centres hard working guy in slump and hard working speedy stickhandler guy with no finish. i see lots of time skating after the puck and a few hits and energy and no goal production.

    Fourth line – hard working energy guy between two speedy defenseman not known for hitting.

    Overall reaction – random, panicky, bizarre. . . may my New Year’s Wish come true (no Carbonneau in 2008-09)

  78. johnnyhab says:

    Maybe it’s easier to trade a player thats not sitting in the presssbox everynight. That being said if givin the choice of sitting a player by putting Ryder in the lineup it would not be Chip’s I would sit Dandy!

  79. doug says:

    i’m VERY happy Ryder is playing. . . and hope he scores.

  80. toocoolclarke says:

    I agree with you.

  81. The Teacher says:

    I think everyone does. Even if they are haters right now.

  82. Leclerc1965 says:

    Smartdog where are you? I know you have something to say about this.

  83. WindsorHab-10 says:

    Justify sitting Chipchura and playind Streit or Dandenault? Too much turkey for Carbonneau has affected his judgement. It’s all about winning so we’ll see.

  84. T-roy West says:

    Lee Hayes: Of course I really don’t want to punch him out, but if you really knew how long I’ve been waiting for Higgins to play with Chipchura then you would understand how I feel. I don’t know why Chipchura is sitting, and it could be for a good reason, but I really wanted to see them play together and I hope someday they will!

  85. yukonhab says:

    What the f@#$ is going on here? It must be a trade on the horizon. Glad to see that the 2nd line is still intact. Oh well should be a good game for the HAbs, and a victory at the end.

    GO HABS GO!

  86. Klondike Habs Fan says:

    I agree, smells a bit like a trade, but Chipchura? NO.

    We Yukoners need to hook up for a game and a brew! You in Whitehorse?

  87. kevinhabs says:

    THIS IS THE NIGHT FOR RYDER TO BREAK OUT!!! LIGHTNING ARE GOING DOWN THE CRAPPER AND THEIR GOALIE IS TERRIBLE!! IF RYDER HAS ONE OF THOSE 6-7 SHOT GAMES THAT HE’S HAD THIS YEAR, 1 OR 2 ARE BOUND TO GO IN.

  88. Blarneylad says:

    no chip? i don’t like that, player is sat out for hard work/smart hockey, guys like smolinski play PP when they’re not injured?

    I hope Carbo’s days are closing in on him.

  89. obrien says:

    Higgins with Ryder is plain stupid. Or maybe its Carbo’s way to discipline Higgins, who has not been hustling as much lately…

    No Chips. I prefer him over Lapierre… Carbo likes him too much and Chips should have been centering this line.

    Let’s cross our fingers for Huet to play great tonight, we will need it in the first. If we win the first, we win the game.

    Good game all.

  90. Naila Jinnah says:

    Those are some crazy lines!!! Maybe he’s messing with us. Or Chipper’s got a cold.

  91. Leclerc1965 says:

    I tell you, Carbs is evil like a clown…a juggling clown…..not funny like a clown…..

  92. The Teacher says:

    I’m convinced Chipper has got a sunburn

  93. fuhgawz says:

    Why do I feel like this franchise is doomed? – ok good to see Ryder getting another chance he was sitting way to much especially when you have a defenseman playing forward something is wrong with that picture so good to see Ryder back. Carbo what the hell man? Can we at least get some consistency with the lines? ……. How do you get lines to gel when they are never playing with the same line mates? As of right now I would love to see something ……. Someone getting fired or a trade just to show the fans that this franchise actually cares and wants to at least in minimum that it is trying to succeed cause as of right now I don’t think that is what they are showing us. Everyone involved with this team has to be held accountable and step up …… players, goalies, coaches, management —– we do something now or never ….. Tonight I am sorry to say is going to be a blow out for the Lightening as they are a much better team then we are right now ……. Something is lacking and it is not just my support ……. To all those who would like to comment that I am being negative feel free …… I am a passionate fan who feels like he is getting bent over —- not into that and I am tiered of it

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  94. Richard says:

    Just a thought…

    Is it possible that Carbo is rewarding Chips rather than punishing him???

    Carbo has said that he sees himself in Chipchura and has given him daunting tasks for a rookie, like staying on top of Briere, which he did successfully. So why sit him as a lesson?

    Given that we have a lot of trouble against the Panthers, largerly because of a certain Olli Jokinen, maybe Carbo wants to make sure that Chipchura is not too tired to be a one-man anti-Jokinen machine.

    When you have two games in two days, you can’t send out all your best players twice, you should at least alternate some healthy scratches. Since our games with the Panthers are always low scoring defensive games, why not keep a great defensive player fresh. Equally, since Ryder has been having trouble with offensive output, better to play him against a terrible defense like the Lightning.

    Even if it is flawed, there must be some logic to the decision. Given that Carbo really has shown favour to Chips, I doubt that he has suddenly become his whipping boy.

  95. MNaslund26 says:

    surprise surprise, another line change. i think its about time to change up the coaching lines. gainey should head coach while carbo and muller should be his wingmen. jarvis should be markov’s motivational speaker. you got that marky?

    i agree with most people when they ask where chipchura is. we don’t have a 4th line center.

  96. MEL FRIEND says:

    question if our habs fail to make the playoffs again in 2008 should bob gainey get fired for his inactivity come trade deadline the only trade i see him doing would be tradeing m ryder for a 2nd round pick.

  97. Yeats says:

    Well I guess those are just the combos Carbo’s magical line-sorting hat produced for this evening’s game. To be fair, without effort it really doesn’t matter who he puts on the ice.

  98. kkent says:

    Good to see Michael”easy” Ryder back in the lineup!! Can’t get out of a slump watching from the pressbox!…
    Carbo is trying his best to create a solid work ethic each and every night from his players but it must be frustrating on the entire coaching staff to see a great effort on one night and a dissapearing act the next..What happened in Dallas??

  99. RH says:

    Gainey has had four years to right the good ship Habs. Our politicians only get a four year term, in office, to run the country, before they have to run for re-election. Generally speaking, every decision Gainey makes, affects the team in the long run while every decision our politicians make affect our country in the long run. You can also argue that the strike year doesn’t count and the game changed after the strike, thereby affecting Gainey’s draft making decisions. Hmmm…I’m still on the fence.

  100. ccs says:

    I missed the last game but from what I read on here it was a brutal effort once again. It really doesn’t matter who plays with who any more Carbo has messed up this team beyond repair. Until we have some players with toughness who play with passion and know how to hit and fight we are screwed. I feel bad for the players who are trying and want to succeed but it takes a team to win and a coaching staff who know how to prepare that team to be successful. Good luck in Florida….prediction 0-2 in the sun shine state. :(

  101. ColRouléBleu says:

    Perhaps we will not need a center on that 4th line. Perhaps Carbo wants to try playing 3 lines only. Then Streit gets his time on the PP and the other two on the PK?

  102. JF says:

    I think that if the rest of this road trip is a disaster and the Habs fail to get it going convincingly in early January, then we’ll see a trade.

  103. PGHABS says:

    huh, i kind of like those lines. i really enjoy watching Lapierre over Smolinski..i hope Lapierre keeps his position in the lineup

  104. Erik says:

    If I were coaching I think I might let Ryder back in the lineup permanently or almost permanently. He is a goal scorer and we could use that.

  105. HAB-PROFESSOR says:

    Lines could be good, I’m sure Carb has been going over them a thousand times during the break. Only questionable move was keeping Streit on Forward when you can move him back to D and then keep CHIPS in the lineup centering the 4th. On D you move Gorges back to the hotdog stand…

    anyway, looking forward to Ryder finding his game.

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    2. Delenda Est Torontium….
    3. your not a Hab fan till you watch & UNDERSTAND “The Rocket”

  106. gumper says:

    I think these lines are worth a try. The only thing I don’t like is that Chips is sitting out. Hard to understand. Maybe he is under the weather. Sit out Kostopoulos, and put Chips in, Guy, and give that a go.

  107. HAB-PROFESSOR says:

    The game was in the bag and it was an opportunity to see some possible “new chemistry”…and I think that experiment was the 2 Kosty brothers and it was for a brief moment…magic.

    So Carb now has that in his back pocket.

    Coaching is the most difficult postition on the team. You have to be the #1 leader, #1 motivator, #1 punisher and #1 praiser.

    watch Mr Irvin in the ROCKET and what he had to do to light up those champions…

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    2. Delenda Est Torontium….
    3. your not a Hab fan till you watch & UNDERSTAND “The Rocket”

  108. Hoobey says:

    I dont understand why they carbs would make chip a healthy scratch!!! I love watching him play.

  109. Yeats says:

    With all due respects, I think Carbo would have a tough time keeping a single ball in the air successfully.

  110. Hoegarden says:

    Giving Chips the night off is not such a big deal. He is a rookie after all and he’s smart enough to use it to his benefit.
    Now, if the Habs win tonight, will Carbo keep his line-up intact for tomorrow ?

    I’m still trying to figure out what Kostopoulos brings to the CH that Milroy or Ferland could not.

    I personally gave up on our rep from the Rock but I hope he does something to help the team tonight, does not have to be a goal, just nail someone, grind it out, show up and sweat like never before, pretend you’re Bob the Hound Kelly…..growl a little.

  111. Leclerc1965 says:

    Dude, your spewing a bunch of crap.

  112. Yeats says:

    The trick will be trying to coax some effort our of tonight’s triplets. Now, that’s where real coaching comes into play.

  113. gohabzzzz says:

    honestly, i don’t really think it was necessary to juggle the lines…i would have kept higgins on that first line but i guess carbo’s trying to put some spark
    on the other hand, putting ryder in and freddy out? no people i don’t like that but ryder does have to play to get out of his slump..though he netter get out of soon I mean just watching him makes me wanna sleep
    any who, i’m not catching the game tonight SNIFF:)
    we have to win tonighht..afterall i thoughht we were good on the road
    who’s in nets??
    gohabzzzz

  114. Leclerc1965 says:

    Haven’t you heard, we don’t have a coach.

  115. Sulemaan says:

    Just to let all of you (who do not have RDS) know – the game is being broadcast tonight on Hockey Night in Canada on CBC at 7pm. You can also watch it online at http://www.cbc.ca (click on the Hockey Night in Canada banner).

  116. Yeats says:

    He does a good job of instructing someone to open the doors on line changes at stoppages. He still needs a bit of work on sending them over the boards on the fly though.

  117. Yeats says:

    Thanks. Unfortunately, I think I’ll be stuck with the ‘bolts feed on DirecTV in the States. Hey, given the Habs treatment on HNIC, that might not be a bad thing after all.

  118. AdamG says:

    after the performance on Sunday, Carbo should have benched everyone and requested the Bulldogs take the ice tonight.

    look, if the Habs are going to walk in to Tampa and pull the same lazy no-show BS they did in Dallas, forget it. when i look at the Habs right now, i don’t see a team with the willingness to win the individual battles for the puck or positioning in front of either net. unless that changes, i don’t see how we can compete tonight.

  119. Leclerc1965 says:

    I don’t know how he keeps track of everyone with the constant line juggling, he must drive the assistants crazy.

    “Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results” – John Dryden

  120. AdamG says:

    i don’t mind higgins off the #1 line…he’s really strugling this year. i know he’s got 13 goals, but anyone who has watched all the games this yhear will tell you that a more natural goal scorer would have more than 20 with all the chances he’s had. gui is not as hard a worker or as good a skater as CH, but he’s stronger and definitely has more of a goal scoring ability. i’d like to see gui stay up on the first line for a while. he’s probably our most natural goal scorer. why bury him?

  121. Yeats says:

    It has yet to dawn on him that the real problem with the line combos is not chemistry but effort. Too often, these guys just go through the motions out there. Stanley Cup? Nope. Playoffs? Maybe, assuming the goaltending holds up and they have a strong wind at their backs. Montreal Canadiens? Not at all, they’re just the guys sporting the uniform in what has become the house league known as the Eastern Conference.

  122. showey47 says:

    Maybe the lack of effort is a message being sent to gainey from the players that carbo is totally clueless and they want someone with credibility behind the bench

  123. paul b says:

    carb.will raise the banner (: (soon)

    LEE HAYS ,WELL SAID,,, YOU MADE MY DAY, I belive in carb too,he is doing fine for what he has to work with,and all the different players he has be a mother to them and I think all mothers should be respected.go habs go…….

  124. The Teacher says:

    that’s what I said..double eh?

  125. The Teacher says:

    You made my day. Love watching the Habs on CBC, even if their announcers are crappy. Something to do with the higher brightness factor they use as opposed to RDS I think.

  126. Yeats says:

    That could very well be the case. The question is how long does Gainey put up with the current situation? Even more important, what does he do if plan B, whatever it is, ends up being a failure as well?

  127. Vincent is possible says:

    DOes Gainey get credit over have draft making decisions? I think credit should go to Timms.

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  128. showey47 says:

    Plan B would probably involve gainey coming back behind the bench. The players would work alot harder for someone they respect and who knows how to coach.

  129. Vincent is possible says:

    Does Carbo call it “The #1 line” to keep Koivu happy? Man when Lafleur had it right, he REALLY had it right. I hope Carbo brought lots of gum to chew on tonight

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  130. Yeats says:

    It does appear that regardless of what Plan B is, if it fails Gainey is gone as well.

  131. Bill says:

    Well, Ferland and Milroy are completely different players from Kostopoulos. They bring different things for sure: Kostopoulos brings toughness and a veteran presence, whereas Milroy and Ferland are supposed to score. I doubt you’ll see those guys crack the NHL, though.

    http://yearofthehab.blogspot.com

  132. NEWFOUNDLAND DOG says:

    Go Ryder Go.

  133. Hoegarden says:

    News Flash; Dec 27th 1993,
    Carbonneau scores hat trick against Blues. Habs win 5 – 2.
    Offence anyone ??

  134. Chorske says:

    Courteroys?! Can anyone here speak stupid, I have no idea what this DUDE is saying.

  135. hhl says:

    you.d probably have to have his 35 ish I.Q to actually think at his level. can anyone here help us translate? (long shot)

  136. showey47 says:

    i see him more like ms. fran on romper room when he looks into his magic mirror for his lineups. Time for gainey to come back behind the bench to salvage this team.

  137. Girth says:

    don’t like it…

  138. hhl says:

    hows this for a trade. koivu,ryder, huet,more or less for lecavalier?

  139. Hoegarden says:

    You’re too late, Santa’s been.

  140. hhl says:

    i have your permission, cool.i will get right on it.

  141. Leclerc1965 says:

    Oh boy, here we go again.

  142. Sakus Evil Twin says:

    Looks like LaFleur’s 4 4th lines comment was reviewed and taken after consideration.

    Latendresse? Really?

    Look for that change to be made after about 10 minutes…

  143. xeonus says:

    Is there a method to this madness? Does all this juggling confuse the opposing team who try to make match-ups because they have no idea what to expect and accustom the players to adapt to change? Or does it confuse our own players who have to constantly adapt to the way their constantly new linemates play? I wonder if Carbo’s goal by the end of the year is to have everyone on the whole team comfortable playing with any two other random linemates… And to scratch Chipchura, who’s been playing decently. I’m scratching my head…

  144. Leclerc1965 says:

    Dave, could you possibly rephrase your thread without the word juggle? I am confused as to whether it makes me angry because of it’s association with the circus and clowns, or if I am just tired of seeing this line juggling thing we have come to expect and loathe. Thank you.

  145. Xtanstic says:

    Kostopoulos between Streit and Dandenault

    Uh… Since when is Kostopoulos a centre? WHY Scratch Chippy? *sigh*

  146. Leclerc1965 says:

    Carbo is confused, he probably thinks Kotsopoulos is a defenceman, they can play anywhere.

  147. 24 Cups says:

    Xtanstic – You read my mind and took the words right out of my mouth. It will be interesting to see how many faceoffs Tommy K. wins. It could get ugly when he matches up against Vinny or Richards on the ice. I wonder if Chipchura has the flu or a minor injury.

    The Original 24 Cups

  148. MannyP says:

    What the hell…
    When is Carbo going to learn that Latendresse and Koivu don’t mesh! Latendresse is way too slow! Unless he’s doing it to give S-Kost more offensive responsibilites, which could spark him. But geez…And I don’t like the Chipchura move, either. You don’t just bench one of your future leaders. It makes it that much tougher for him. But that’s just my view of things.

  149. Leclerc1965 says:

    I have told myself to stop being negative and get off Carbonneau’s back about how he does things, next time someone catches me doing this please remind me of my new ways.

  150. The Teacher says:

    WHAAAAAAAAAAAAT? Chipper is benched????

    did he party too hardy or something?

    Looks like Carbo took my advice in putting Higgins on the third…

    but putting him back with Ryder??? wth. Who’s supposed to pass to Ryder on this line?

    I don’t get this.

    NOTE TO CARBO-

    next time you wanna juggle lines (next game)

    put Higgins/Chipchura/Latendresse on a line and see how it works out. I am available to become your defensive assistant coach if you are feeling stressed.

  151. The Teacher says:

    Oh, my god, I’m either laughing or crying, I have no clue which.

  152. Leclerc1965 says:

    It’s your body’s natural outcrying for a drink before you have to watch the game tonight.

  153. The Teacher says:

    just one?

  154. Leclerc1965 says:

    Bottle..yes!

  155. Leclerc1965 says:

    I don’t think your crazy, but under the spell of the master mindtwister Guy Carbonneau. See, he gets you to believe that his current line juggling act will change the way his system is played. He slowly sucks you in to believe this and when our team gets spanked like their last game in Dallas it’s too late…only heartbreak and anger festers and you become like the rest of us. Don’t buy into this spell!!!! It’s not too late for you. Thank you.

  156. Hoegarden says:

    Gorges is slowly but surely earning a permanent spot on the blue. Stood up to Grats and so far has done a steady job.


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