Canadiens’ Travis Moen back at practice

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Pat Hickey reports in from Collingwood, Ont., that Canadiens forward Travis Moen has returned to practice on Tuesday morning after missing time with an injury.

He was skating on a line with Andreas Engqvist and Yannick Weber.

Erik Cole continues to skate on a line with David Desharnais and Mathieu Darche.

More to come later.

784 Comments

  1. Feraco says:

    This is odd, I have always enjoyed Mr. Birkshire’s point of view.

  2. MJ says:

    It’s comments like these from Bill and the now infamous posts by AB that make me realize how most people that post on HIO prefer only reading that others agree with them and dismiss anything that is opposing their opinions as a weak argument at best.

    “When you constantly resort to calling someone an ass, your point loses it’s value. Either you can prove your point with a solid argument or you can resort to name calling to entice others into believing what you’ve said.

    People here are pretty smart, it is worth questioning to better understand ones opinion or argument, and being open minded to the fact that your opinion is not always the only logical one.”

    Oh and Bill, had you bothered reading through the thread before writing this post you would have noticed that it was Berkshire that started with the name calling and insults while I resisted until he called me an ass. Obviously you’ve read the posts that lead to me going down that road with him, right? Because the last time I checked they are time stamped. Just another example of the silliness that goes around here. Not everyone on HIO is as smart as you claim Bill, few are the ones that are able to read a post and understand it correctly from the first time.

    I have better things to do with my time than to waste it arguing hopelessly with people that will never have the ability or objectiveness to even try and understand where the other party is coming from. I thought that it would be fun to debate hockey matters with some of you here, I never came here looking for an intellectual challenge as anyone that is blessed with proper intellect would tell you, places like this and open line shows hardly qualify.

    The kicker is someone like AB writing about intellectual honesty and integrity. Really? What a joke!

    No need for anyone to ban me. I don’t need this. Hockey is something I enjoy and love, I’m not going to spend my time arguing with some tart that hurls threats and insults and dismisses anything anyone else says as lacking substance and logic, unless of course HE agrees!

    • Bill J says:

      You really are a confrontational person aren’t you ?

      Do you honestly think I didn’t read the thread ?

      Did you read mine ? I called Andrew and Dave out well before I called you out, for all the whining you’ve done about yesterday, you certainly are blind to your part in yesterday’s water pistol fight.


      If you want to add an avatar here, read this and follow the steps

      Go Habs Go!

    • HardHabits says:

      Last night’s exchange has been an eye opener for me. I looked closer at the exchanges and realized that of all the trolls who have frequented this site nobody has turned me off more or has been more offensive to me than Andrew Berkshire.

      What’s worse is he has a gaggle of supporters here who actually condone his actions, cheer him on and are supportive of his close mindedness, his arrogance and his personal attacks on people.

      Plain and simply Andrew Berkshire is a grade A douche bag. I tried to delete my HIO profile but couldn’t. At any rate. This is my last post here.

      What’s even funnier is pudgy thinks he can bring it. Hilarious really.

      Two other morons are PrimeTime and TomNickle. Real pieces of work both of you idiots are.

      ——————————–

      There are a great many of you who I wont name so as to not taint you with the HH curse, who’s exchanges I have enjoyed and in a way I am saddened as I realize I will miss those. To you I salute.

      Since I am responding to your post MJ I will contend that I thoroughly enjoyed our exchanges. They were thoughtful and respectful. Obviously we see eye to eye on many things and in areas where we differed we were still able to find common ground without the need to assassinate each other’s characters.

      However, I refuse to share these pages with a pudgy Internet troll who has illusions of grandeur and pretensions towards journalism. What’s worse is Boone is one of his cheerleaders.

      Team Jerkshire. You can all kiss my lily white ass.

      ——————————–

      And with that, I am signing off for good.

      • Ian Cobb says:

        HH, David—Take a deep breath, we are all emotional and passionate on here, about our sport, team and how we all think the winning style of play should be. One thing to remember is, you can never know, the state of a persons mind while they are in there own home posting on here.

        Please do not take things on here to personal my friend, people use HIO for many purposes, some while drinking, doing dope and who knows what crises in their life is occurring. Ignor the rude, loud and crude.

        Always remember, you win and you can not get two minuets when disciplined with no response.

        You never came across to me as a quitter my friend. Get back in the saddle here with some of the HAB nut bars like myself and enjoy.

        Ian

      • G-Man says:

        C’mon HH. Who can I bug with my grit and sand comments? Geez.

      • Trisomy 21 says:

        I was thinking last night that it’s funny that even the Bruins fans in the playoffs last year kept it hockey related and didn’t make it personal. I guess if you can’t win a debate….
        Well too bad HH, you were starting to grow on me in the last month, but lately I’ve been seeing how the comments section is just wasting time, and I could really use that time for more important issues, so I can’t blame you. Maybe reconsider and just post like once a week? yeah?

  3. jrshabs1 says:

    Sportsnet is reporting a dust-up betwwen P.K. and MaxPac. Is there truth to this?

    Go Habs Go!!

  4. Trisomy 21 says:

    Now the childish name calling has spilled into twitter???
    Really AB? This is like a playground fight at lunch hour and then silly gossip starting in class. Elementary school flashback!

  5. JIMVINNY says:

    the leafs just stole Steckel, the nhl’s leading faceoff man, from Jersey for a fourth rounder. That is a shrewd move, and I hate Burke. But I wish gauthier had made that deal.

  6. daveho29 says:

    Working in Fort Mac in the oilsands and have the next week off. Thinking of flying to the Peg to catch the game on the 9th. Flights are cheap, but ticket prices to the game are nuts. Anyone know where I might get a somewhat reasonably priced ticket?

    Seeing as I’m in a camp and was working I couldn’t be home for my hockey pool. Gave a friend a list of players and I’m the only Habs fan. Somebody else snatched Price up in the first round so my “Friend” picked Tim Thomas as my goalie, knowing that I hate the b’s. Does this mean I,god forbid,cheer for the bruins to win.
    good news is no one took Halak, hmmm

  7. Filthy Phil says:

    Sean Avery !

  8. JohnBellyful says:

    Like most posters here, I’ll be staying up late Oct. 5 waiting for the clock to strike midnight so I can put pen to paper and write down my New Season Resolutions. Nothing’s official until then, of course, but I’m pretty sure they’re going to be something like:

    I resolve to:
    – keep my glass FULL at all times (with the wife’s help, of course)
    – to enjoy in full pretty passing plays, remarkable individual efforts, extraordinary saves, tireless two-way play, hard but clean body checks

    I resolve NOT to get upset with the Canadiens and throw things at the TV when they:
    – take a stupid penalty
    – get bottled up in their own end and can’t clear the puck
    – fail to make/receive a decent pass
    – ignore opportunities to shoot

    Yes, I resolve not to get too high when the Canadiens win or get too low when the Canadiens lose. I will maintain an even keel. My emotions will be .500. I will be JM.

  9. Gerry H says:

    Hmm. Maybe it’s just me, but I’m thinking Boone and Co. oughta go all Shanahan and deal with HIO’s head case shot problem.

  10. HABSGUARDIANANGEL says:

    what no sean avery commments ?

  11. question.; anybody else with a MBP update to the latest firmware and have firefox completely flake out to the point it gimps your wifi?

  12. --Habs-- says:

    Question? Why must TSN moderate all comments posted. What are they afraid of somebody offending somebody. I can understand profanity but some of the stuff they they block is incredible. Like living in the old Soviet Union!

    • Sean Bonjovi says:

      TSN moderators only block my comments when I point out ridiculous contradictions/errors in the logic of the stated or implied opinions in their stories.

      “Andrei Kostitsyn is a better hockey player than Max Pacioretty”
      - Sean Bonjovi

  13. Mattyleg says:

    Sorry, I tuned out for a bit there; did we finally find out who has the biggest johnson on HI/O?

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  14. HardHabits says:

    Hello, my name is HardHabits and I am an alcoHIOlic…

  15. oshawahabsfan says:

    What happened to more to come later…

  16. Ian Cobb says:

    Going downstairs to watch the Yankee’s get beaten! I am still a Brooklyn Dodger!

    • citizenSanto says:

      Hey Ian,
      I don’t know the particulars, but i heard you were under the weather.
      All the best to you my friend.

      —————————————
      Hope has two beautiful daughters. Their names are anger and courage; anger at the way things are, and courage to see that they do not remain the way they are.
      – Augustine of Hippo

  17. RJB says:

    Took me awhile to catch up on what happened on here today, not the best day for HIO

    “I don’t know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.”
    - Bilbo Baggins

  18. LL says:

    When I was a wee lass, I actually enjoyed the rivalries and bench-clearing fights. Remember the ‘Diques / Habs rumbles?

    Since I’m a bit ;) older, I don’t enjoy them anymore because now, I recognize it as hate.

    WTF with Tampa, a bunch of guys who have an axe to grind using a dummy like Malone as their instrument. I’m crossing my fingers that another dummy doesn’t diminish our teams’ chances for a deep run like last season. Even though Chara is not the typical dummy, but dangerous just the same.

    Shanahan lost more by not suspending Malone than he gained.
    But mistakes lead to lessons…we’ll see what happens next.

  19. PrimeTime says:

    @HH. THAT’S ENOUGH. Get over yourself. If you’re all you think you are then why the hell do you spend 15 hours a day on a website repeating the same thought over and over? Your have an addictive disorder and a compulsive need for validation. Any amateur psych can read that from your never ending repetitive ramblings. You want to shape arguments then go out and do it on subjects that matter. Do something, man! Did your parents never tell you to go out and play? You say you small but tough….wow a threatening chiwawa. Then you say you’re a “genius”?? Anyone can do an IQ test on the internet…..did one on couple of years and I too came up genius but trust me, I’m no genius and smart enough to know it. People with character need not pump their own tires to get respect….they earn it and reciprocate. Have a little class. Maybe go outside, play and perhaps you’ll find some more interests. Don’t be scared, it’s not all that bad out there.

  20. JohnBellyful says:

    Back in August, I tried to post a tentative agenda for the su*m*t and got the message: “Your comment is awaiting moderation.” Yeah, it was pretty vicious stuff, as anyone familiar with my posts can well imagine. I gave up waiting and withdrew my comments.
    Well, in view of tonight’s exchanges [see below], I’ve decided to try re-posting an abbreviated version. I’ve removed any reference to chainsaw bloodbaths and baby seal sacrifices – some people have no sense of humour – but I’m thinking I should change the lineup.

    FRIDAY NIGHT

    7 p.m. Lunettes Roses Room – Meet and Greet
    Verre à Moitié Vide Room – Grip and Gripe

    8 p.m. Steel Cage Matches (as chosen by HIO posters in advance poll)
    Lineup so far:

    Timo vs Ian
    Bugs vs HabFanSince72
    Everlasting1 vs Andrew Berkshire
    HardHabits vs The World

    (To wager, visit http://www.summitUFC.ca)

    9 p.m. Round table discussion: Line combinations

    SATURDAY

    7 a.m. Big Game day breakfast: cape buffalo steak and eggs

    10 a.m. Tour of Hall of Fame (free counselling at conclusion for those overcome by thoughts of what used to be and what is now).

    2 p.m. Consensus choice of previous night’s round table discussion revisited PLUS video highlights of cage matches (to purchase copies visit http://www.summitWTF.ca)

    Bell Centre

    7 p.m. Puck dropped

    7:25 p.m. Gloves dropped

    7:26 p.m. Avery dropped (one punch, uppercut by Desharnais. Edit: I told you, I wrote this more than a month ago.)

    9:25 p.m. Siren sounds. Habs leave ice to standing ovation.

    SUNDAY MORNING

    11:30 a.m. Continental breakfast (This week’s continent: Antarctica ) – Bowl of ice (all you can eat)
    HIO members exchange phone numbers, e-mail addresses, promises to keep in touch, parting gifts, insider tips, BFF pinkie rings.

    11:45 a.m. Embarrassing summit photos begin appearing on Internet. (To view, visit http://www.summitLOL.ca)

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Good call John! Was hoping to see some wheel barrel races or three legged races, but overall great agenda.

      • JohnBellyful says:

        How about something more cerebral — really, how many of us HIO posters do you think are in shape to handle three-legged races? — for Friday night, say charades or hide-and-seek. OR a debate! Yeah, a debate: Affirmative: ‘The Canadiens are a soft team and need a goon to serve as a knucklear deterrent.’

    • HardHabits says:

      That HH against the world thing sounds like its going to be fixed.

      Insider tip: Don’t bet against The World on this one. I hear this is the where HH is going down!!!

      • JohnBellyful says:

        The polls are now open. You could end up facing The Solar System. (I like your chances, HH. One’s a windbag, a couple of the others are hot and cold, the rest … pfft. Watch out for the ringer, though.)

    • Everlasting1 says:

      Line me up with someone worthy. My facts will just get dismissed and denied in ultra-ignorant fashion.

      ——————————————————————-
      When the Hebrew scouts investigate the Promised Land of Canaan and return to discourage the other Hebrews from entering it..”We saw the Nephilim there (the descendants of Anak). We seemed like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and we looked the same to them.” [Numbers 13:33]

      “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

      • your problem isn’t with the words that you say

        its HOW you say them

        you aren’t the most polite person in your delivery

        sure i have my moments, but nine times out of ten you don’t present what’s on your mind in a way that isn’t intentionally trying to garnish a negative reaction

        then you feign being a misunderstood “victim” thats being persecuted for his thoughts

        • Everlasting1 says:

          Fantastic! Now do Berkie.

          ——————————————————————-
          When the Hebrew scouts investigate the Promised Land of Canaan and return to discourage the other Hebrews from entering it..”We saw the Nephilim there (the descendants of Anak). We seemed like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and we looked the same to them.” [Numbers 13:33]

          “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

          • there you did it again

            i actually philosophically agree with you more than i do with andrew, who is a good friend of mine

            but instead of coming up with a reasonable retort, you bring somebody else into the point that I said to YOU

            which is in NO WAY intentionally trying to garnish a negative reaction? (this is SUCH DISHONEST behaviour on your end)

            man up i have all day to talk sh[t about berkie, unfortunately i don’t have your number

          • Everlasting1 says:

            For starters, your psychological profiling is at best, amusing. Honestly. And I wouldn’t associate myself with anyone who claims to be a good friend with the likes of pompous AB. Not my clique.

            Cripes! I did it again!

            ——————————————————————-
            When the Hebrew scouts investigate the Promised Land of Canaan and return to discourage the other Hebrews from entering it..”We saw the Nephilim there (the descendants of Anak). We seemed like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and we looked the same to them.” [Numbers 13:33]

            “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

          • Trisomy 21 says:

            haha he is pompous.
            Mofo I don’t know what you would want E1 to say in response.

      • JohnBellyful says:

        Okay, Everlasting, I’m throwing my flail in the ring (they’re allowed, right?). Not that I don’t think AB would be a worthy opponent but as steel cage organizer I should put my fist where my mouth is. Let me rephrase that: I’ll step in if necessary.
        I’ve already started preparing for the dust-up. You got facts? I got facts!
        Ottawa is the capital of Canada. Water boils at 100 degrees Celsius. There are 280.6 calories in a Mars bar (but not if you nibble). Blessed are the meek but as far as winning championships, their chances aren’t so good.
        That’s enough for now. Where’s that towel?
        _______________________________________

        And Howie Morenz begat Rocket Richard. And the Rocket begat Jean Beliveau. And Le Gros Bill begat Guy Lafleur. The Flower begat Patrick Roy. And when St. Patick begone, there followed a generation of misbegotten managers and coaches.

    • Chorske says:

      Haha. Don’t forget the SIZE MATTERS panel, to be held in the shadow cast by Hal Gill’s statue in the Hall of Fame. Gionta’s statue will be used as a lectern.

    • Bill J says:

      Why do I feel that your editing of baby seal sacrifices included me and Someone else here… Suddenly I’m off the card, at one point I was headlining the main event damnit!

      Dave & Andrew showed me up today, and I got bumped. :(


      If you want to add an avatar here, read this and follow the steps

      Go Habs Go!

    • showey47 says:

      I say you wrap the steel cage in barb wire to make it a little more interesting.

  21. Everlasting1 says:

    I hear FixedNews is looking to hire some young green journalist on internship with an opportunity to earn extra credits.

    ——————————————————————-
    When the Hebrew scouts investigate the Promised Land of Canaan and return to discourage the other Hebrews from entering it..”We saw the Nephilim there (the descendants of Anak). We seemed like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and we looked the same to them.” [Numbers 13:33]

    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

  22. SeriousFan09 says:

    The last FACT of the day:

    Whether they were intentional hits to the head or not, Steckel and Hedman combined did not seem very intimidated about not going near Sidney Crosby when the Pittsburgh Penguins had 71 fighting majors in the 2010-11 season. 71! Only team with more was the St. Louis Blues with 78 and man did that scare Joe Thornton away from not using his skate blade to slash David Perron’s throat after he concussed him.

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
    SF09 on Twitter

    • HardHabits says:

      So you’re saying that the Habs are going to win all those pitched battles in the corner?

      • SeriousFan09 says:

        No, just getting in my daily open-ice hit on people who claim fighting majors can protect star players from injuries.

        But Pacioretty, Cole on the top lines is going to be very effective for digging after the puck. White and Moen on the 4th will create a lot of energy too, Moen needs to get back to his role and stop being used as a faux power forward to be comfortable.

        - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
        SF09 on Twitter

        • HardHabits says:

          All I am saying is it would have been nice to have Tinordi pound the crap out of Malone than see Gorges get his face opened after the Campoli hit. Can you honestly argue with Gorges’ response? Do you think it would have been better if nobody touched Malone and just waited for the disciplinary hearing? That is what we’re getting at SF09. No one believes that this elusive contingent of physically imposing players will make all injuries disappear. Don’t you think you’re maybe straw manning the argument a bit?

          Anyways if you look at my earlier pre-size and grit discourse I suggested that playing a run and gun game akin to what led the Habs to the Conference title and scoring race would greatly lessen the trips to the infirmary. I connected the dots at the point where the Habs shifted to concentrating on defense first as the instance where the injuries began. Now G-Man before you tell me that D wins championships, let me suggest that the Habs play run and gun in the regular season, come out on top with a whole lot of scoring confidence and little in the way of injuries and then go to lock down mode come play-off time. Would that be so bad?

          As for the the new regime hopefully with Shanahan in place suspending players there will be less injuries all around, even more so than I surmise a few heavy weights would influence.

          I still would like to see the extra physicality a few hockey playing bruisers can bring.

          I know you hate Chara for what he did but I for one would welcome a player of his ferocity and size on the Habs not to mention his skill set.

          What do you have to say to the people who suggest that a few bigger and meaner players can open up the ice for the smaller and speedy players?

  23. HabinBurlington says:

    So I am not fan of Brian Burke but getting Steckel for a 4th when everyone knew he needed a healthy centre is a good trade on his part.

    So are we to assume that Eller is a for sure no go for the opener?

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      We don’t know, still waiting on that green light for contact and some very solid practices to back up that placement on opening night, doesn’t look like it though.

      Steckel makes sense for Toronto as they have no faceoff expert and their vaunted centre depth falls apart a bit more each day lately. To me, MTL still needs the specialist but that can be addressed later (perhaps by moving one of our surplus D-men). At present, we need a defencemen to step forward and show he can play 20 minutes a night. I like Gill but his 20-minute games should be saved for April and beyond. Spacek, dubious where he’ll be by March, Yemelin, Campoli, Diaz, Weber, one of those guys must step up.

      - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

  24. Chorske says:

    My understanding of what we’re arguing about is hazy, mostly because I am generally pleased with the philosophical direction the team has taken since the “blow up” (i.e. banking on speed, puck support, puck possession, transition game, with emphasis on team cohesion and leadership). I don’t get the hysteria and complaining.

    Also I am confused about whether the size crowd actually think the Habs are smaller than the average team- a question that is easily resolved via a quick online search.

    I am also confused about whether the grit crowd actually think the Habs are soft— or are just PERCEIVED to be soft. There also seems to be confusion about whether the issue can be addressed via a single enforcer/goon, or whether the issue should be addressed by increasing team “toughness”– a subjective term that no-one has yet to define adequately to me. Maybe hockey player toughness is like what that judge said about smut: “I can’t define it, I just know it when I see it.”

  25. MikeMcLaren says:

    Having just returned from Las Vegas, it’s interesting to see what the bookmakers think of the Canadiens’ chances. Some sports books even had the Canadiens at 10:1 odds to win the Cup.

    They must not read this site…

    Maybe it was the Costanza-esque “Leaving on a high note” game against the Lightning, or maybe folks just took some rational pills, but it’s nice to see everyone getting excited for the season to finally begin.

    I am relatively convinced that the Bruins are going to have a post-Cup hangover. Are the Sabres that improved or are they just spending more money?

    There’s a very real possibility that the Canadiens will win their division this year. A few seasons ago when they won the Eastern conference, very few saw that coming. I believe that’s what they’ll do last year.

    Oh, and $20 at 18:1 odds says the Canadiens will make the Stanley Cup (I didn’t want to jinx them for everyone by betting 25:1 that they’d win the damned thing!)

    Is it Thursday yet?

    /\\ike
    GO HABS GO!

  26. SeriousFan09 says:

    I see it’s another day where some people’s facts are opinions and other people’s opinions are facts.

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
    SF09 on Twitter

  27. Ian Cobb says:

    PK is Patching things up on the ice! check this out from Sparky

    http://tvasports.ca/video/1200245952001

  28. RiverviewCanadien says:

    When hockey starts, this site is going to be ten times as bad. No wonder I hardly come on this site to read this shit anymore.

  29. rogieshan says:

    How do the Leafs pick up a centreman with size who had the best faceoff percentage last year for a 4th round pick, and we keep giving 2nd round choices away for short-gap rentals?

    • Sharks9 says:

      You’re comparing Steckel and Wisniewski?

      A 4th rounder for a 15-point, 4th liner centre
      A 2nd round for a 50-point, top 2 D.

      I don’t see how Burke’s trade was so great…

      25 before 14

  30. AK_PK_Usay says:

    48 hours, gahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

  31. Castor says:

    The worst part about all of this is that almost no one here can spell “you’re” properly.

  32. Chorske says:

    I feel so… left out.

  33. Lawrencetown Liquor Pigs says:

    I’m in a fantasy league with 20 teams and 9 daily roster spots. I am taking Ryan White with my last pick, just because I can.

    Love,

    Michael

    ____________________________________________________
    They lost me 2 quarts of rum, better make it up next year with a cup!

  34. Everlasting1 says:

    “If you’re looking for apologies to insults like stupid or dumb or something, I don’t think you’ll get one. But if I went over the line, sure.” Berk Of Proverbs 1:01

    ——————————————————————-
    When the Hebrew scouts investigate the Promised Land of Canaan and return to discourage the other Hebrews from entering it..”We saw the Nephilim there (the descendants of Anak). We seemed like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and we looked the same to them.” [Numbers 13:33]

    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

  35. cuzzie says:

    The season hasn’t begun and Berkie is already panicking. Panic my boy panic!

    Stay Thirsty My Friends!

  36. Mothstoflame says:

    Leafs signing Steckel might be a possibility of a major injury. nontheless i think we will take the opener. they have quite a few players out. but i will not underestimate them.

  37. habs11s says:

    Rumor has it that all NHL officials are required to wear yellow jerseys with black vertical stripes on it…

    On a serious note, the recent Campoli ruling is just shameful for the NHL. “We are focused on head-shots as long as the player didn’t put himself is a ‘vulnerable position”

    Also, I also wonder since the large increase in suspensions, is it evidence that Colin Campbell was that bad or is Shanahan just on a power trip or both?

    Aside from all this bull crap… Game 1 is 2 days away!

    _____________________________________________________________

    “How would you like a job where when you made a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?” -Jacques Plante

  38. Sean Bonjovi says:

    I just realised I get a TV channel called TVA sports. Is it any good for anything?

    “Andrei Kostitsyn is a better hockey player than Max Pacioretty”
    - Sean Bonjovi

    • Bill J says:

      If your a Nordiques fan… Yes.


      If you want to add an avatar here, read this and follow the steps

      Go Habs Go!

    • Psycho29 says:

      They are supposed to carry a lot of Junior games, 25 Sens games plus baseball, UFC…

      Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

      • Sean Bonjovi says:

        thx. I used info from your post to make better google searches and discovered this: 38 Senators games (any, or all of which might be on sportsnet east anyway), and 15 CHL games. TVA sports might be somewhat useful.

        “Andrei Kostitsyn is a better hockey player than Max Pacioretty”
        - Sean Bonjovi

    • The Cat says:

      It must be fairly new, I cant even subscribe to it yet.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  39. Psycho29 says:

    Ok…..The Mods really have to start deleting posters’ accounts if they can’t stop the insults and/or the physical threats. Doesn’t matter who started it or who’s right or wrong.

    HIO must be getting boring for some people. Let the season begin.

  40. DEANDALLEY says:

    Martin on TSN saying that Budaj will improve this team! WTF is Martin smokin?

    • TommyB says:

      I dunno….but we go out and acquire a free agent power forward and he’s on a line with Desharnais and Darche? I thought the comics section was in the weekend paper.

      • Bripro says:

        Do you really think that’s how JM will play them?
        Last week, he had Gionta on the third line in practice, and for the first shift of the game.
        He put him back onto line 2 after a couple of shifts.
        I wouldn’t worry about where Cole plays.
        Hey! here’s a thought!
        Maybe JM realizes that we have speed and he wants three balanced lines instead of two defensive lines, and two lines of juggling.

        • TommyB says:

          I have no doubt Cole will not play with those two guys. So, with days to go before the opener what’s the point of that line in practice?

          • Bripro says:

            Beats me! What was the point of all his juggling last year?
            It seems like he never allows a line to gell together, that is of course barring injuries.

      • solomio says:

        I know where you’re coming from but I can also see Darche as the digger and hard forchecker, DD as the play maker and Cole as the goal scorer. That could work no?

        “I figure PG has one or 2 moves left to bring the Habs that extra step closer to perhaps being the best in the league.” – Einstein

        • Bripro says:

          Absolutely that could work.
          But then what do you do with Plek’s line?
          JM has paired Cole with Gomez, and they both scored.
          He’s paired him with Pleks and Cammie, and he’s scored.
          It’s early, but Cole seems to be quite the find.
          He brings out the best in his linemates, regardless of who they are.
          And you’ve gotta figure the way DD sets up plays, and Darche charges the net (pretty much what you said, right?), that too could be an effective combination.

    • Paulin98C says:

      Budaj was once seen as the goaltender with the most potential to become the next great one.

      While I was far from impressed by his performance, I will give him the time to adapt to Montreal and having support from an excellent goalie coach.

      By “time” I don’t mean a year either… more like a month or two in the season. He did let in weak goals but he also pulled off a couple amazing saves. I’m not throwing the towel on a guy who couldnt performed as backup during a pre-season game.

    • twocents says:

      I’m betting he’s right. I don’t give a feck what he did in preseason.

  41. Everlasting1 says:

    I see AB has no face left. Most here are aware of his berating attitude and intollerance of opinions, hockey related or otherwise. Hey Berkie..9/11 was an inside job. My opinion. Can you deal with it? Btw, I want an apology for all the insulting rude comments directed at me. Let’s see some of that integrity.

    ——————————————————————-
    When the Hebrew scouts investigate the Promised Land of Canaan and return to discourage the other Hebrews from entering it..”We saw the Nephilim there (the descendants of Anak). We seemed like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and we looked the same to them.” [Numbers 13:33]

    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    • Paulin98C says:

      Quiet night on bluesinsideout?

    • My face seems just fine, could use a shave though.

      Your opinion on 9/11 is wrong, without evidence, and absurd.

      Tell me what you’d like an apology for, maybe you deserve one. If you’re looking for apologies to insults like stupid or dumb or something, I don’t think you’ll get one. But if I went over the line, sure. Provided of course you’ll retract saying that my wife is part of a cabal of scientists that withhold information on things like HIV/AIDS research in order to make money on drugs. If you’re willing to do that, I’ll surely take back anything over the line I’ve said to you.

      http://twitter.com/andrewberkshire

      • Everlasting1 says:

        Yea, you can stop right there. Nothing you’ve just posted is accurate.. full of assumptions, and just flat out ignorant. I’m not inclined nor willing to address all this crap whatsoever. Carry on.

        ——————————————————————-
        When the Hebrew scouts investigate the Promised Land of Canaan and return to discourage the other Hebrews from entering it..”We saw the Nephilim there (the descendants of Anak). We seemed like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and we looked the same to them.” [Numbers 13:33]

        “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

      • MJ says:

        At least try opening your mind and watching this (or don’t):

        http://world911truth.org/911-15-minute-documentary-you-have-to-see/

        maybe E1 has a point. You might even find a definition of evidence in there.

      • HardHabits says:

        Berkie. E1 is way lower on my shiznit list than you could ever be. At least for you there is hope of moving back up into my top posters list once again which is where you resided before you decided to attack me as the leader of the HIO NAG Narrative and expose my ideas for the fraudulent fantasy that you still haven’t been able to disprove that they are, but to suggest that there is no collusion between the pharmaceutical industry and medical practitioners is beyond naive if not disingenuous.

        I used to work for a company who’s whole objective was to give “honorariums” to doctors to answer “surveys” on behalf of their products. Pharmaceutical companies pay big bucks to have doctors push their wares. I am sure you know that no drug goes on the market that doesn’t have a side effect. The reasoning being that the side effect gives one more element to treat or medicate.

        Undoubtedly medical advances and drugs manufactured by pharmaceutical companies save lives but with what side effect as result. IMO a greater dependency on drugs in general on the part of the population at large.

        As for 9/11. There is enough reasonable doubt to go around on both sides and needless to say there is a huge contingent of highly respected engineers and scientists that don’t buy the official line. My issue with E1 is that this is not the place to introduce such discussions.

        But that is my issue with you AB. You are dismissive of other POV’s when they collide with yours. You need to take a more balance approach especially if you wish to succeed as a journalist.

        You can dismiss this POV of mine to your own detriment.

        • SeriousFan09 says:

          I think he’s dismissive of Everlasting because he’s a crackpot.

          The insane belief that a conspiracy involving at least hundreds (if not thousands of people) has been perfectly kept quiet with no leaks is beyond ridiculous. People talk, they always do and that’s how it goes. You can’t keep a planned attack by the government on it’s own citizens quiet especially after it kills 3000 of them.

          - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
          SF09 on Twitter

          • this is a flawed argument in regards to 911 being an inside job

            you are assuming it would involve hundreds (if not thousands) who are aware of what it is their orders actually are

            it called compartmentalization and if you’d like an example of how it was used, look into the iran contra affair

            of course with those involved, that could have NO WAY made them benefactors of lessons learned ;)

          • SeriousFan09 says:

            Yet with all this supposed ‘evidence’ coming around, we have no one standing up and saying “I was asked to do this very suspicious thing coming up to 9/11 and here’s what I was doing”. Compartmentalization works until something happens, than it becomes less effective as people step outside of what they did and see what occured at the end of the chain.

            The US government is too incompetent by half to manage something like this.

            - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
            SF09 on Twitter

          • Everlasting1 says:

            You’re clueless. It wouldn’t take as many as you’d think. There have been hundreds of leaks, not to mention countless conflicting accounts and contradictory reports that you can’t explain away. But who’d listen? Major media is controlled by these perpetrators.
            I won’t waste my breath on this topic.. it’s been said, it’s not the proper forum. Stick to what you know.

            ——————————————————————-
            When the Hebrew scouts investigate the Promised Land of Canaan and return to discourage the other Hebrews from entering it..”We saw the Nephilim there (the descendants of Anak). We seemed like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and we looked the same to them.” [Numbers 13:33]

            “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

          • Everlasting1 says:

            Who would air it, fool?

            ——————————————————————-
            When the Hebrew scouts investigate the Promised Land of Canaan and return to discourage the other Hebrews from entering it..”We saw the Nephilim there (the descendants of Anak). We seemed like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and we looked the same to them.” [Numbers 13:33]

            “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

          • nobody said anything about supposed evidence, btw I’m not mr. conspiracy nut, I think they are a clever distraction to what actually happened.

            you are making a few assumptions still, the number of people required to be involved and if they in fact were aware that their orders were in fact suspicious

            you do have key people who have spoken out though including louis freeh who was director of the FBI

            theres usually more than 3 sides to any story and its silly to accept any 1 at face value

          • SeriousFan09 says:

            If the argument is the whole operation was compartmentalized, you would need to involve hundreds of people so that the chain of events was so spread out no one could figure out what was happening until it occured. If it was handled by a handful of individuals my question is, why is Ernst Stavro Blofeld working for the US government?

            Moon Landing, Area 51, Pearl Harbor… conspiracy theory for everything but never anything that doesn’t require a logical leap beyond that of believing the Leafs are a contender team.

            - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
            SF09 on Twitter

          • you arent understanding my point

            the military interceptors responsible for protecting the northeast that morning were busy doing war games over the atlantic, if this was a part of the plan to keep america’s defences down that morning, nothing about exercises would come off as suspicious to anybody, just bad timing

            its just one example man

            nice james bond reference but ill merely retort with, why is mahmud ahmed comfortably retired?

        • “but to suggest that there is no collusion between the pharmaceutical industry and medical practitioners is beyond naive if not disingenuous.”

          Not what I said.

          http://twitter.com/andrewberkshire

          • SeriousFan09 says:

            Not at all, but using out of context remarks to attack people is the new order of the day here. Everlasting was saying well-meaning doctors and researchers with oaths sworn to help all they can, are colluding against the world at large and holding back things that would save lives.

            - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
            SF09 on Twitter

          • HardHabits says:

            No. What you said was, “cabal of scientists that withhold information on things like HIV/AIDS research in order to make money on drugs” which is not far removed from saying that there is collusion between the pharmaceutical industry and medical practitioners.

            I have had many friends die of AIDS. I also know of two people who have had HIV since the 80′s and neither look like they are going to die soon.

            I can tell you that the ones that died took no steps to change their lifestyles and the ones who survived did. Both groups took or are taking the same medication.

            Everything isn’t black and white AB and this is another element where your lack of experience and pretentiousness shoots you in the foot. Two people can say the exact same thing without ever repeating the same words.

            Therefore a cabal of scientists that withhold information on research in order to make money on drugs is equivalent to saying that there is collusion between the pharmaceutical industry and medical practitioners.

          • SeriousFan09 says:

            HH, there are people who have scored well above me in IQ tests. It didn’t mean they were smarter than me except on paper at the end of the day and it doesn’t mean they are smarter than anyone else, in any field of discussion on any given day.

            Everlasting accused Andrew’s wife of being part of a vastly immoral conspiracy. Andrew rejected that proposition as it is ridiculous and without merit. You’ve picked at the fringes of the argument to portray his debating skills in a poor light. I think we can agree between the four of us, yes even E1 there is definitely a level of collusion between the pharma corporations and doctors but that doctors are plotting against the sick and dying for their own benefit in large numbers? That is what Andrew was arguing against.

            - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
            SF09 on Twitter

          • No, HH. It isn’t the same. I’m talking about the researchers who create the medicine, you’re talking about corporations and physicians. Completely different, and you tried to make them the same. There’s nothing pretentious about what I said. You just tried to change my point into something you could disagree with. ie: a strawman. This is why I don’t debate you with respect.

            You see, I have no problem debating someone in a respectful manner. Robert and I argue on twitter ALL THE TIME, and outside of us both calling each other ridiculous it’s always respectful. But you don’t have any interest in BEING right, you just want to LOOK right, so you argue disingenuously.

            http://twitter.com/andrewberkshire

          • HardHabits says:

            You SF09. That is why I like you so much. You sir are a well needed voice of reason in these here parts.

        • “I am sure you know that no drug goes on the market that doesn’t have a side effect. The reasoning being that the side effect gives one more element to treat or medicate.”

          Sorry, that’s just really ignorant of chemistry. And a very serious allegation towards the scientists behind the drugs.

          http://twitter.com/andrewberkshire

        • “But that is my issue with you AB. You are dismissive of other POV’s when they collide with yours. You need to take a more balance approach especially if you wish to succeed as a journalist.”

          This assumes all opinions are equal. It also assumes that all arguments are opinion vs opinion. Both of those are unbelievably wrong.

          As for a “huge contingent” of scientists and engineers who don’t buy it, define huge. Last I checked the group was incredibly small, consisted of almost zero physicists or engineers, and not all of them disagreed with the same things. Not to mention the # of people who believe one way or the other is irrelevant, which is something you can’t seem to get through your head. Just like earlier today when you kept talking about how apparently popular you are. You just don’t get it, when something comes down to facts, opinions don’t enter into it.

          http://twitter.com/andrewberkshire

          • HardHabits says:

            Here you go again. If you read my views on the subject during Bugs’ epiphany you’ll know that after 9/11 I was convinced that it was an inside job. After studying the evidence since then I am not so sure anymore. It doesn’t change the fact that there are a large number of people who think otherwise. Unlike you and others in the mainstream media I don’t categorize the doubters or truthers as fringe or lunatics.

            Nevertheless the government story has too many holes in it. The best analogy I can use is, “there are three sides to every story, yours, mine and the truth.” So in view of the lack of evidence I believe that neither the official story or the conspiracy theory is correct. You however buy the government version with out question. Or at least it appears to me that you do. Correct me if I am wrong.

            As for drugs. I can only speak from experience working for that unnamed “research” company. The pharmaceutical industry is one one of the most nefarious on the planet. And yes that is my opinion.

            You should take a course or two in philosophy and include critical thinking in your curriculum. If you already have I recommend you revisit the subject matter.

          • Thanks for the laugh HH. You telling me to take a critical thinking class is perhaps the funniest thing I’ve ever heard. I don’t think I’ve ever seen you frame an argument without a logical fallacy.

            http://twitter.com/andrewberkshire

          • HardHabits says:

            Show me an example.

    • Chorske says:

      What. In. Gawds. Name. Did. I. Miss.

      This is what I get for having a baby and a job- I miss all the good stuff.

  42. j0nHABS says:

    The Devils trade Steckkel for a 4th rounder, how is that possible for a guy who had 59 points last season? Crazy!

  43. Psycho29 says:

    Not sure if it was mentioned below, but tomorrow The Team 990 becomes TSN RADIO 990..

    http://ctvmedia.ca/tsn/releases/release.asp?id=14303&yyyy=2011

    I heard Stephen Brunt on Melnick earlier, and he didn’t seem to know if he would still be making a daily appearance on the show from now on….

  44. TomNickle says:

    With my not so glorious return complete I would like to point out to the prospect lovers that Palushaj and Engqvist are nowhere near ready if the pre-season is any indication.

    I like a lot of our prospects. But let’s not go making Palushaj the next Mats Naslund and Engqvist the next Bobby Smith.

    Engqvist is far too slow both physically and mentally to be an NHL player. Blunden is ions closer, and that’s why he was acquired. Palushaj has fantastic speed and an excellent release on his shot. But not being able to play cohesively with others is a major weakness of his.

    Of course, this is all my opinion and in no way a reflection of the views of HIO, their writers, the Montreal Gazette or the wonderful fans who frequent the site religiously or casually.

  45. HardHabits says:

    And they say there’s hope for Middle East peace. Hilarious. Habs fans can’t even get along. Not to mention PK and MaxPax are scrapping it out.

    In view of all the shenanigans today I think this quote is very timely:

    If you’re not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. ~Malcolm X

  46. Habsrule1 says:

    Any chance we can get back to talking about hockey and the Habs or should we leave this story for you guys to talk about how much you hate each other.
    AB…Mike McLaren has vouched for you so I’m on your side LOL

    But seriously……
    Go Habs Go!!

    “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  47. Stev.R says:

    Leafs trade for Steckel. Probably their top line center

  48. TomNickle says:

    Leafs just got David Steckel from the Devils. Just further proof that Brian Burke has an office full of extortion facilitating material on most NHL general managers.

    In fairness, Uncle Lou and Burkie go way back.

  49. MJ says:

    Andrew Berkshire to HardHabits: “I’m confident in saying this, you think because of my opinions on hockey that I’m a big softy, if you said half the crap to my face that you’ve said to me on this site, your opinion would drastically change.”

    Nice! Beware you might be on the receiving end of another one of these veiled threats.

  50. Chrisadiens says:

    This years summit could be a bloodbath!
    Bill vs Habso
    AB vs HH
    I might come after all. Hehe, I kid of course. Hope you guys sort it out. I like all of ya. Except HabinBurlington….man that guy just gets to me. :)

    Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.


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