Update: Markov, Kaberle both out; Emelin in

Andrei Markov is back on the sidelines tonight.
• UPDATE: Pat Hickey reports that defencemen Andrei Markov, who skated this morning in Kanata, and Tomas Kaberle, still in Toronto following this week’s birth of his child, will not play vs. the Senators tonight, both out with upper-body injuries. Defenceman Alexei Emelin, who missed Wednesday’s Bell Centre game with an upper-body issue, returns to the lineup.
The Canadiens are in Kanata tonight where they will play the Kanatiens … uh, actually the Ottawa Senators at Scotiabank Place, the suburban arena west of the nation’s capital.
The Senators are still in search of the two points they weren’t able to get at the Bell Centre Wednesday night.

Tank Corps is getting worried

Eller vs. Karlsson

The Bourque bafflement

The impact of Markov

Michael Farber on Big Ben Bishop

• Damien Cox thinks Leafs should trade Kessel


  1. dh51334 says:

    Cunneyworth has no business disciplining Campoli on the bench. That is recerved for the room or office. He will not last like that. Watch Bowman.

    Dominic House

  2. DorvalTony says:

    Thomas Kaberle and his child both have upper body injuries?!

  3. avi says:

    Hey Mr. Boone,

    Could you or one of your colleagues in the media please write about the fact that once a competent GM is hired the following players will no longer wear a Canadiens jersey:

    1) Andrei Markov..already injured..what a surprise
    2) Tomas Kaberle…a defensive pylon
    3) Scott Gomez…put him and Habs fans out of misery any way possible
    4) Rene Bourque…the Canadian version of Andrei Kostitsyn
    5) Chris Campoli…wouldn’t know how to spell defenceman
    6) Mathiue Darche…a fourth line player that should be replaced by someone many years younger
    7) Brian Gionta..too old and small for the amount of money he’s making

    Sorry folks..this team only has one good forward line, PK, Emelin, and Carey….everyone else is touchable for the right return…

    • ZepFan2 says:

      “Andrei Markov..already injured..what a surprise”

      I’ll bet you he’s not.

      “You cannot petition the lord with prayer!” – James Douglas Morrison

      The Soft Parade

    • thorandresson says:

      1- Markov’s injury isn’t serious, if the game had any importance he’d probably play
      2- Kaberle will probably go, either this summer or mid-season, he still has value as a puck moving defenseman even if he’s not great in his own end
      3- Gomez will go, don’t know how exactly but it’ll happen
      4- Yes Bourque is a bit like Kostitsyn, but he is signed at a reasonable contract for a 20-30 goal scorer. Perhaps next year he’ll be better, he might have personal issues, you never know. Remember how bad Chris Higgins was before he went to Vancouver, goes to show a player can turn it around. So we’ll see next year
      5- Campoli is off the books, so you’re point there is completely mute, and shows the lack of knowledge you have (despite being a fan since 1971)
      6- Darche brings intangibles and plays the way you should, despite his lack of talent. He’s a smart player and a good influence on others, like Leblanc. Also he’s a guy who’s not going to whine about being benched or being the 13th forward, young players would not be that way.
      7- Gionta is the captain, leads by example, he may be small but he plays big and represents the organization well, it would be a big mistake to get rid of him. Besides he’s barely played this year, so you can’t blame this year’s performance on him. Should we get rid of Deharnais too because he’s too small. The whole “he’s too small” argument is the lamest thing I’ve ever heard, probably comes from guys who are insecure with their own size…

      • DorvalTony says:

        Dr. Recchi on Dwarfism…

      • avi says:

        I love Markov but unless management is convinced he can play meaningful minutes over the next two years of his contract, they should move him. I know this is not popular with a lot of fans but losing him again will hamper the team both from a cap perspective and not going after a more durable defenceman. I only mention Campoli because he was signed in the first place (I know his contract expires) to reiterate the incompetence of this management group. Gionta is a very good player…but Montreal needs some bigger forwards with his talent and heart..not so much for the regular season but the playoffs. Are you really confident that guys like Desharnais, Gionta, and Plekanec can handle four rounds of playoff hockey? I’m not. So you can keep one or maybe two of the above. You’re dreaming about Kaberle…no one will take him…just like Bourque…

        But at the end of the day, I respect your opinion even if we disagree.

    • joeybarrie says:

      I don’t even know where to start with this one….
      How much do you think a 30 goal a season captain is worth?
      Are you 15? Cause I’m curious to know what your idea of OLD is.
      Do you really think Markov is injured?
      And just so you know. EVERYONE is touchable for the right return… There are NO exceptions.

      • avi says:

        Joey..don’t blow a gasket…A 30 goal a season captain? Gionta will NEVER score 30 again…the issue I have with Gionta is the size and length of his conract. Not to mention the fact that he, Gomez, Plekanec and Deshairnais will not be able to endure four rounds of hockey. I wish I was 15. When I was 15, Montreal had a hockey team and I used to watch them at the Forum…about 7 hours southwest of Barrie. Don’t care whether Markov is injured or not…he’s too much of a risk for the next two years…especially if it prevents Montreal from going out and signing someone who’s talented, strong, and durable (for ex. Suter, Weber, etc.). I only replied to you so you’d understand that I’m not one of those fans who are satisfied with sneaking into the playoffs and winning a round or two..that’s BS…..the goal is the silver chalice…

        You are right about everyone being touchable…

  4. thorandresson says:

    Is it me or have the discussions around here gotten a lot better of late?

    My guess is that, it’s now just down to the true fans, those who will follow the team through thick and thin.

  5. caladin says:

    The 68 to 70 million numbers for the cap refer to what the cap would be next year with the current CBA. If the owners get the 50/50 split they want that would put the cap around 61 million. My guess is somewhere in between

  6. Ian Cobb says:

    Markov took a Caleche with a friend, while standing on the curb, the horse nipped Markov’s shoulder. Don’t think the bone is damaged! He might play Sat. night.

  7. krob1000 says:

    Would a flu be an upper body or lower body issue?

  8. kempie says:

    I’m hearing from various Twitter sources that Blunden will play tonight. Good news for Plekanec and White because they could sure use a sniper like Blunden on their line.

  9. Kain292 says:

    @Ian Cobb that one didn’t work out. Thanks anyways.

  10. Ian Cobb says:

    Upper body injury to Markov!
    Puck hit him in the face last game.

    • krob1000 says:

      tanks for the reminder but I suspect something else may be at play….

      • The Jackal says:

        People love conspiracies

        • krob1000 says:

          not all people…but I do..even though I know they didn’t intend for Markov to play back to back (but I ask….if we were fighting for our playoff lives…would he dress? I say yes he would). Conspiracies happen at every other level of life whether it be in grade school and high school relationships, workplaces, government, corporate level, media, public relations departments have basically been created to alter image and conspire to create popular opinion and every other level ….they do happen all of the time …the cool thing is you can attribute anything to a conspiracy …only problem is 99 percent are not true..but that one percent? who knows? every situation could be that one percent lol
          Personally I wish they would conspire better and Price should have a longer term “upper body injury”, Dd and Patches should have lower body injuries, Cole should be suspended by the team for his official abuse he smacked that refs hand pretty hard and Pleks should be fined…just because he is Pleks and people like to not like him for some reason….that should about do it.

        • Ian Cobb says:

          I just gave you a horse one above!

      • Ian Cobb says:

        I just think they are going to take it easy with him. He will play Sat. Night at home. Back to back games might not be to smart for the knee.

        • krob1000 says:

          Unfortunately that Sat game is a reverse 4 pointer! I really think they should rest Cole, Gorges, PK and Dd … shouldn’t have them playing back to back …besides they never really get to enjoy the atmosphere from the seats at the Bell and I hear Cole makes a killer paper airplane.

          • Ian Cobb says:

            You and I might be asked to fill in, but then again we do not want to show anyone up and earn two more points for the club.

  11. Chris says:

    Regarding my earlier comments about eliminating the entry draft…

    1. The bottom-feeders already have a tough time getting players, thus the lack of an entry draft would make it even harder.

    This is possible, but not absolutely required. Look no further than “Signing Day” for NCAA sports, where players have to commit to a school by signing a letter of intent. Let’s look at NCAA basketball.

    26 players are rated as top prospects (5-star recruits) by Scout.com in the 2012 class. (Similar numbers for the other major rating groups, like Rivals.com or ESPNU).

    Of those 26 top recruits, 20 have signed letters of intent, with 15 different schools landing one of those recruits. Kentucky, a perennial powerhouse, landed 2, but so did Providence (including the #1 rated prospect), hardly a powerhouse in the world of NCAA basketball. Arizona led the pack with three signings, but only landed 1 last year. Kentucky landed 3 of the top 4 last season, limiting their ability to actively recruit top guys this year as the playing time wasn’t really there.

    I recognize that there are massive differences between the NCAA (which does not pay its players) and the NHL, but I think many of these actually favour such a signing system in the NHL. Unlike college basketball, you don’t have a cap of four years of eligibility…teams are most likely looking to keep star players, thus clogging the pipeline for new players to establish themselves. For example, if you are a hotshot young goalie prospect, would you sign behind Carey Price in Montreal, knowing that he is taking 80-90% of the starts and has a long career ahead of him? Probably not…you’ll look for a team with an opening.

    Similarly, in the NHL you aren’t as worried about securing a spot on a high-exposure team like NCAA athletes must be. In the NHL, you are already in the professional league and will be noticed by professional scouts and general managers. An NCAA athlete is trying to get noticed by NBA scouts, and this is a much easier endeavour if you play for one of the top 20-30 teams in the country. Thus, you frequently see the top 20-30 teams load up on the best talent, but even here, some of the best players settle on colleges for other reasons (family ties, location, opportunity, etc.).

    2. The bottom-feeders would never go for it.

    I’m not so sure. If you are a team like Columbus, with a lot of openings on the top line and a fair bit of salary cap space to burn, you could potentially outbid everybody else and sign both Nail Yakupov and Alex Galchenyuk…as junior teammates, perhaps they’d like to go to a team as a package deal and build on the familiarity they might already have. I would argue that you could rebuild even faster with such a system….you could land 2 or 3 top prospects and suddenly be right back in the thick of things. Fans in Columbus have nothing to look forward to for 2-3 seasons, while the Edmonton Oilers are in the process of demonstrating just how long it can take to rebuild when drafting one star player per season.

    If anything, I suspect it might be the top teams who object the most, as they are generally the teams with the most talent and thus with the least amount of salary cap flexibility. They stand the most to lose, as cap space suddenly becomes a huge commodity.

    What I like about this is that it will teams for both identifying talent when they are young AND for managing their cap space effectively. This hasn’t been an issue yet in the NHL because of the rapidly expanding cap, but that can only persist for so long. At some point, teams would have to make tough decisions…do I roll the dice and commit to 2 or 3 prospects in 2012, or do I aim for one and leave myself open for 2013?

    3. It wouldn’t work…all the North American sports leagues use a draft!

    True. But the status quo in North American sports is not the lone successful model. I do not believe that successful European hockey leagues (such as the Elitserien in Sweden or SM-Liiga in Finland) have an entry draft but I am happy to being corrected on this point.

    In fact, drafts of athletes are somewhat rare in European sports, although the KHL has been moving to a draft system. European soccer relies on teams scouting and signing players, with poorer teams often selling contracts to richer teams. This has led to problems with the richest teams hoarding all the talent, but the presence of a hard salary cap makes this type of thing all but impossible in the NHL.

    • krob1000 says:

      I am not in favour and I don’t mind the current model personally Chris. If they want to mix things up…maybe a team can’t draft in the bottom 5 for more than 2 consecutive years ro put in some provision like that. It is a tough call as there will always be teams that are throwing in the towel …although they would never admit it and that can’t really happen lol. I think the parity model is the best case scenario for the game given the objective of the sport is to tap into the US market…now if you want to talk about whether or not I think that is the best objective? that is another story….I say give up the South…..look overseas if you want to make things interesting….but Bettman has one mandate that has remained consistent….sell hockey to the US….since the majority of the teams are US based parity is a heck of a model in theory anyway…too bad local sport and traditional sport are entrenched too far into the average americans mindset for it to matter in places where there is no ice.

  12. Kain292 says:

    Anyone got a spare ticket for the game tonight? Cant seem to get anything lined up so I thought I’d put something up on here.

    • Ian Cobb says:

      Jameson below has a ticket!

      OK! It’s 2:42.. 11 MINS left for an HIO POSTER to claim one tkt for tonight’s game sec 109 row m seat 3 or 4…. I would be using one of the seats.

      Special cause you are an HIO POSTER and we can shoot the breeze as fellow posters…. $50.00.

  13. Jan_pronounced_Yan says:

    So, I’m not one for rumour-mongering normally, but a French hockey blog site that I read quite frequently is saying that two really good sources are stating that Patrick Roy was approached by Geoff Molson directly about the head coaching job and that Roy has accepted with certain conditions, that Molson apparently agreed to.

    One of them is to have freedom to choose his assistants. One of the assistants would be Andre Tourigny, and the other could potentially be Benoit Groulx, should he decide to take the job.

    As for the GM, apparently Molson has not yet decided, but is leaning towards getting rid of Gauthier. People on his list include, Julien Brisebois, Jim Nill (!), Vincent Damphousse and Pierre McGuire (blech!), with Brisebois and Damphousse having the inside track.

    Take it for what it’s worth, but this site has been right on MANY things in the past, including the fact that PG was talking with Calgary about some type of Cammy for Bourque deal at least a month before it happened. The site also reported other deals well in advance and has just been pretty reliable for inside information in general.


    • Habsolutely says:

      I can see that happening.

    • shiram says:

      You not listing the website lessens the credibility.

      RC : “Merci beaucoup.”

    • joeybarrie says:

      I just can’t imagine how all this info got out, and only one particular blog site was where the info went. Especially if there was two different sources.

      • Jan_pronounced_Yan says:

        Like I said, I was reading about Cammy to Calgary for Bourque plys on that site AT LEAST a month before it happened.

        There was also a lot of good info on Markov as well. They also talked about Gill to Nashville and had Nashville as the only REAL suitor for AK46 before it happened.

        This site also has posted extensive information about the potential return of the Nordiques as well as the media war going on between Quebecor and Bell Media.

        It’s not a run-of-mill rumour site. This guy seems to have some legitimate sources.

        • joeybarrie says:

          I don’t doubt the sources, nor do I doubt the credentials. My doubts are thinking about a new GM and not including them in the decision on a new coach. Especially one like Roy. As well as having more than one source and still be the only media outlet with the info, in this media crazy market.
          I also don’t think Roy is a good choice as a coach. Again with a inexperienced coach, and one who is so hot headed and in trouble so often. It doesn’t really give me a good feeling. I would prefer Carbo back. We have had the most success with an actual experienced coach lately, and anyone who says he didn’t get a lot out of his players is plain wrong.

          • HabFanSince72 says:

            Think back to the bowling, Joey.

            Whenever you find yourself thinking Carbo wasn’t that bad, think back to the bowling.

            And to Gorges on the wing.

            Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • ont fan says:

      The problem with this rumour is that generally you replace the GM first and he hires his coach. Now the Leafs did it the other way when they signed Burke.

    • Ian Cobb says:

      Nonesence!! That would never happen before a GM was in place 1st.

      • Jan_pronounced_Yan says:

        Well, if Geoff Molson wants Roy as coach, it will happen. He is the boss after all.

        I’m not saying I agree with it, but Roy as coach makes a whole of sense for Geoff Molson from a PR and marketing standpoint. Molson needs to repair a lot of damage that has been done this year to the team’s image.

        I could see Damphousse being okay with Roy as head coach as well.

        It’s not that improbable. And, like I said, this site doesn’t just throw out bombshells like this unless the info is solid.

        We’ll see. Personally, I’ve expected it to be Roy all along. It frightens me, but I am expecting it to happen at this point.

        • boing007 says:

          Hiring Roy as the new coach would be a big mistake. Another rookie coach? We already have one. Let RC stay on and finish his job. Hire Larry Robinson to assist him. Bring back Carbonneau. Screw Roy.
          He gave us the finger 15 years ago. So why would you want him back?

          Richard R

        • jmsheehy19 says:

          It would definitely be an odd scenario. Hiring the coach before the GM is weird enough but to come to a “quiet” agreement before the end of the season is leveling up my doubt.

          Also I still don’t believe they’ll go with a rookie coach again. I remember a few weeks ago someone said some rumor about Tippet wanting out of PHX. If that were true I’d prefer we took a run at him or Larry Robinson.

          Of course I’m probably more skeptical than most as I don’t want Roy as head coach. He seems too temperamental to be effective long term. But if that’s the way they decide to go, they have smarter people than I that think otherwise.

    • thorandresson says:

      If I were Molson, I’d tell him if he could get rid of Gomez in a reasonable way (via trade without losing too much) he keeps the job.

    • kempie says:

      Jim Nill? Oh boy oooo man, holy dude. Wouldn’t that be something?

    • VintageFan says:

      Julien Brisebois – great cap manager but no direct player experience.
      Molson’s buddy McGuire is 15 years out of date, but hey, maybe off the page would work.
      Damphousse has PR value and street cred but not much knowledge of young players.
      Jim Nill is more Anglo than Cunneyworth, that would never work.
      An experienced, cap-aware, Francophone with street Cred. How about Brisebois – VP Contracts and Cap Issues PLUS McGuire – VP Recruitment and Player Development. NO GM – everything handled by the triumvirate of Molson, McGuire & Brisebois. All 3 bilingual, Quebecois and passionate.

    • Sean Bonjovi says:

      So if Roy becomes head coach and the Canadiens draft Mikhail Grigorenko the head coach will have a conflict of interest with regards to decision about where Grigorenko should play in 2012-2013. 🙂

      “Patch the holes, ride it out, Play for 2015”
      – Sean Bonjovi

    • mrhabby says:

      a coach before a gm ….jus does not sound right.

  14. 44har48 says:

    Ok folks, what is everyone hearing about the cap next year? It makes sense to me that it will go up, but Glenn Healey and otehrs have been adimant that in their circles it is rolling back.

    I have to laugh posting this because, pardon my numbers are not exact, but teh Owners locked this sport out becasue they couldn;t make money with a CAP over like $42M. What is the cap today (rehtorical)?

    • shiram says:

      Revenues for the leagues increased so the cap will go up, it’s the CBA that will mess with that, as the owners want a bigger part of the cash.

      RC : “Merci beaucoup.”

      • gK_HabsFan says:

        I read somewhere that it could increase to $68 million.
        Someone’s twitter feed… not sure

        • shiram says:

          Yes, as revenues are up, the cap increases, but owners want a bigger share of the pie, and that will be settled in the next CBA.
          So 68 millions might be right for the present CBA, but they negotiating a new CBA, so the numbers will change.

          RC : “Merci beaucoup.”

    • krob1000 says:

      I have heard between 68 and 70 million.

    • thorandresson says:

      The cap will go up, even in 2008 during the thick of the recession, it went up. I recall all the idiots in the media talking about how it would go down, and how silly they looked when that assertion was completely wrong.

      If it goes down because of the CBA, I expect salaries for players that are already signed will go down proportionally, like they did after the lockout.

      • Sean Bonjovi says:

        That’s my guess too. If the players’ share of revenue were to be reduced to, say 51% from 57% (a 10.5% decrease) I would expect the value of all current contracts to be rolled back by 10.5% as well.

        “Patch the holes, ride it out, Play for 2015”
        – Sean Bonjovi

    • Chris says:

      Talking about the cap going up is nonsensical because there is no CBA for next season.

      Until the framework of the new CBA is negotiated, any projections about what the cap is going to do are pure speculation. Under the existing deal, the growth in NHL revenues (with the Thrashers moving to Winnipeg, there is one less money bleeding team in the league) would force the NHL to raise the salary cap.

      However, there is significant opposition to this from a majority of NHL teams that are actually losing money. Expect the owners to take a similarly hard-line stance as their counterparts in the NBA did, asking for a greater proportion of the revenues. I would not at all be shocked to see the owners start at 50% and set 51 or 52% as their walk-away (i.e. lockout) limit. The players are going to have an awfully tough fight…the salaries have been exploding at a rate equal to what there was without the cap, and there isn’t going to be any sympathy for them this time around if there is a strike/lockout.

      Presently, the players take home 57% of league revenues as the revenues have surpassed $2.7 billion. They started at 54% post-lockout, but revenues grew faster than the NHL probably expected, largely because of the Canadian dollar.

      Two CBA’s were just signed in the past year: the NFL gives its players 47-50% of league revenues (down from 60% after $1 billion was taken out of the pool, but the inclusion of new revenue streams into the model probably benefited the players), while the NBA gives its players 49-51% (down from 57% in their previous CBA) of league revenues. MLB does not have a salary cap, but its players have typically taken home 53% of league revenues.

      • thorandresson says:

        If in fact some teams are losing money, then they should be interested in Gomez, who can save them close to 5 million over the next 2 years. Molson should make sure this remains the same so he can unload his crappy contracts.

      • jmsheehy19 says:

        The system is racing towards a cliff if they don’t rework some details.

        The teams losing money now will lose more money as the cap raises, which causes them to rely more heavily on the money market teams. So as the revenues grow, so does the cap, and consequently the teams in the red fall deeper into financial troubles.

        I don’t pretend to know the complexity of the economics pertaining to the league, but this can’t possibly be a feasible long term solution.

    • thorandresson says:

      By the way, I lost you when you said Glen Healey, that guy is an idiot.

  15. habstrinifan says:

    OK! It’s 2:42.. 11 MINS left for an HIO POSTER to claim one tkt for tonight’s game sec 109 row m seat 3 or 4…. I would be using one of the seats.

    Special cause you are an HIO POSTER and we can shoot the breeze as fellow posters…. $50.00.

    Email me at jimlyaw@rogers.com and we can organize hows, where, etc.

  16. Mattyleg says:

    Everyone seems so certain about it, but I will eat my hat at the next Summit if the Habs ‘bury’ Gomez in the minors next season.
    It seems like the thing to do, but we won’t do it.
    Not because PG is stupid, or whatever, just that the Habs don’t do those sorts of things.

    I’ve been saaaaved!!
    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Captain aHab says:

      I’m guessing they’re REALLY hoping for a deal with the new CBA where they can buy out one guy. Short of that, I think he’ll be buried. It doesn’t seem to be what the Habs would do but bringing him back would be a clear signal that the Habs have no interest in a Cup for another 2 years at least. They cannot credibly come out and justify playing him anymore because he’s an “impact player”. He’s probably a 3rd liner making superstar money.

      Gainey made a booboo on him and everyone needs to fess up just like they did on the Smurfs Project Failure.

      Avast, me proud beauty! Wanna know why my Roger is so Jolly?

    • thorandresson says:

      call me crazy, but I think he’s still tradeable, his contract allows teams that are at the cap floor to save close to 5 million $ over the next 2 years and he has a good reputation for being a good guy in the dressing room.

    • shiram says:

      How about a buyout then, can/will they do that?

      I’ve been saying we might still have RC and PG at their respective place next season…
      As for Gomez, I don’t think he has a spot on the team anymore, unless there’s a change with Eller/DD/Plekanec, and all those guys are doing better than Gomez.

      RC : “Merci beaucoup.”

      • RGM says:

        A traditional buyout would go like this:

        Scott Gomez buyout from CapGeek.com

        2012-13: $3,523,810
        2013-14: $4,523,810
        2014-15: $1,666,667
        2015-16: $1,666,667

        That’s a lot of money to pay a guy to not be on your team.

        GO HABS GO! 2011-12 is probably not our year!
        “Scott Gomez is an elite NHL player” – VancouverHab

        Chat with me on Twitter @TheRealRGM81

        • shiram says:

          I know buyouts, and capgeek, I was asking Matty “Jojo Savard” Leg if his crystal ball said anything about any kinds of buyout.

          RC : “Merci beaucoup.”

          • 44har48 says:

            I’m not saying I know this for sure, but it is pretty widely accepted that the cap will reduce next year and there will be salary roll backs. When this happens they write right into the new CBA that teams can do one time “compliance buyouts”, and I don’t even think it is limited to one player. Which is why I have been saying time and time again, and I hate PG, that the dildo picked up Kaberle knowing this. The catch to my theory is that Molson will never buyout Gomez, Kaberle (after acquiring him in yr 1 of the contract), and Gauthier because of the money not the cap. This guy doesn’t give a rats $%^ about winning, he just wants us all in the keg drinking beer.

          • krob1000 says:

            to the poster above the cap is rumoured to be going up to nearly 70 million

          • athanor says:

            Krob, that is before the CBA is reached, at which point, apparently, it is predicted to drop below what it is now.

    • ProHabs says:

      The Habs better start doing these types of things (like burying bad contracts) or else they are going nowhere. Enough of playing mister nice guy.

    • gK_HabsFan says:

      Any other team would have sent him to the minors after 2011-2012 season. The Habs actaully gave him a chance for him to prove that he can still be a ‘key’ contributor… not a superstar.

      IMO, if he put up 50-60 points this season, the Habs keep him. He isn’t close, thus, he’s gone.

      It has come to a point that we expect so little from him. A guy making that kind of money has to produce, he can’t get away on effort alone.

      • Cal says:

        Tough to put up any points when you’re hurt for 40 games.

        • Captain aHab says:

          Tough to put up any points when you make no effort.

          Avast, me proud beauty! Wanna know why my Roger is so Jolly?

        • gK_HabsFan says:

          he has played 38 games… 11 points… -10. Project that over 80 games, and he’s in the vicinity of 25 points.
          Says it all.

          enough is enough.

          There is this theory that if they send Gomez to the minors, FA will be reluctant to sign here. Maybe. But the entire NHL has seen his decline. It’s painful to watch.

          Having him in the lineup takes away icetime from DD, Eller, Leblanc, pleks and so forth.

      • ont fan says:

        And who would be good enough in Hamilton to take his place? They are in last place too. I don’t think Molson cares about the money or saving face anymore than people here can’t get past the contract. If you buy him out that will go against the cap.If he made $2.5 mil no one would care. By next year, maybe they will have an NHL’er who can beat him out of a job and he can be buried. Maybe we can get rid of him through waivers.

    • The Dude says:

      Facts are facts ….we have got a lot of big money tied up on the wrong “star” athletes”whom no one else want!” and will have to ride it out. The only plus is they can show the newbie’s what not too do,lol

      • kbhab4ever says:

        I do NOT want Gomez taking ice time from any off our players in NHL or AHL.The buyout hurts our spending .So the only thing is a trade as a thow in maybe

    • Price07 says:

      At the very least they will buy out Gomez, it will cost 3.5 against the cap, of which we should have space for if you look at the numbers. Also, I too do not think he is completely untradeable. I would be very very very surprised if he is still here next season. I mean how could he? You’re going to give him a spot over Plekanec, Desharnais and Eller? I highly doubt it. Darche gets more points then this guy for a fraction of the cost.

    • mdp2011 says:

      there are rumblings that the salary cap could go upto 70mil with the cap floor around 50mil, that is a lot of money for small market teams, Gomez could become attractive to some teams being that his cap hit is greater than his actual salary.

      • gK_HabsFan says:

        But the way i look at it, wouldn’t it be beneficial for those teams to overpay on a player (or players) that actually contribute more offensively than Gomer

        • mdp2011 says:

          that’s true and it is highly unlikely that anyone wants Gomez, but a team on a tight budget might not want to get locked into a long term deal, so maybe he becomes attractive. Gomez might be able to get some of his mojo back somewhere else.

  17. gK_HabsFan says:

    Now, by no means am I comparing Gomez and Corsby, but:

    Gomez: 38GP, 11 Points, -11 +/-. 7.38 Million Cap Hit
    Crosby: 9 GP, 13 Points, +10 +/-. 8.70 Million Cap Hit.

    This is very telling. Gomez makes superstar money, and provides approx 1/4 the production players in his salary range produce. To me, it shows how close we are to being an actual good team. replace Gomez with an actual point per game producer, and we have a completely different team. To me, we have as much depth as the contending teams, we just lack the Superstar player that we can bank on night in and night out.

    If we draft in the top 5, it is very likely that the player will make our lineup out of camp. In addition to the Cammalleri trade and burrying Gomez in the Minors (which has to happen), the Habs have a legitimate shot and cap space at signing Z. Parise. I know it’s wishful thinking, but it could happen. Management and Ownership are going to be hardpressed by fans and media to improve this team. They can, in no way, ice the same team in 2013 that is currently in a lottery position. By signing a guy like Parise, and drafting Grigorenko, Forsberg or Galchenyuk our depth improves immediately.

    It’s going to be interesting to see the moves that take place this summer.

    P.S. Here is a scary thought. Tonight’s lineup has a Total Cap hit of just $33.2 Million. Meaning, $31.2 Million in Cap space. Injuries have really screwed this team over the past 2 years.

    Max Pacioretty ($1.625m) / David Desharnais ($0.850m) / Erik Cole ($4.500m)
    Ryan White ($0.688m) / Tomas Plekanec ($5.000m) / Rene Bourque ($3.333m)
    Blake Geoffrion ($0.803m) / Lars Eller ($0.919m) / Louis Leblanc ($1.170m)
    Brad Staubitz ($0.575m) / Petteri Nokelainen ($0.605m) / Mike Blunden ($0.677m)

    Josh Gorges ($3.900m) / P.K. Subban ($0.919m)
    Alexei Emelin ($0.723m) / Yannick Weber ($0.850m)
    Chris Campoli ($1.750m) / Frederic St. Denis ($0.666m)

    Carey Price ($2.500m)
    Peter Budaj ($1.150m)
    CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
    (these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
    SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $33,201,970; BONUSES: $300,000
    CAP SPACE (20-man roster): $31,098,030

    • Mattyleg says:

      Uh, every team except one is missing a superstar like Sidney Crosby.

      [edit] AND your numbers don’t make sense. How does Gomez produce 1/4 perceived value? Not every player who makes a lot of money is capable of producing the numbers Crosby does. So no player, except Sidney Crosby, gives ‘full’ value, in your estimation.

      I’ve been saaaaved!!
      —Hope Springs Eternal—

  18. tote-road says:

    Kaberle can take the rest of the season off and be with his family.

    I’d kind of like to see what St. Denis can do for the rest of the year.

    • Strummer says:

      We have too many smallish ( under 6′ ) D as it is.

      “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

  19. Mattyleg says:

    @TomNickle, why so angry about this?
    It’s a loophole the Habs are exploiting, and everyone knows what’s going on. So why the upset?

    There are lots of fans who think (not you necessarily) that there should be absolute transparency with the media. Why? I couldn’t disagree more with this concept. Tell the media the bare minimum, and do your job, be it as a player, coach, GM, or Owner.

    I’ve been saaaaved!!
    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  20. LafleurGuy says:

    Was having a Rip van Winkle doze back in 2005. Thanks to the posters with great memories for bring up the fact that there was a full, all teams lottery for the draft. So THAT’S how we got the no. 5 pick and Pricey! Hope the law of averages don’t apply and we draw the short straw this time!

    “May you live in interesting times.”

  21. H.Upmann says:

    On the other hand, we need the draft prospect badly…

    • Mattyleg says:

      The way we are playing now, I don’t think we need that draft prospect that badly.
      We were missing some of our major players throughout the season. We are near the bottom (if not THE bottom) of the league in Man Games Missed with Injury. We had to ice underdeveloped AHLers regularly.

      If Cammy hadn’t been injured early on, AK, Markov, Gionta, Gomez… (debatable on that last one, perhaps…) imagine where we would’ve been. Look at our PP now that Marky is back, fergodsakes!

      There is so much parity, that I believe that a healthy team can finish in the top 6 next season without too many drastic changes.

      I’ve been saaaaved!!
      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • thorandresson says:

        It’s a shame all those things happened, cause the Eastern Conference is wide open, the only team I see as a serious contender is Pittsburgh if Crosby and Letang stay healthy. We could’ve also “easily” taken our division.

        • jmsheehy19 says:

          I’m really surprised by how weak the East is this year. I agree with you that Penguins aside (and injuries could undo them) every team has major question marks, though both NY and NJ look solid if unspectacular. While in the West I would argue Van, STL, Det, Chi, and Nash are all legitimate threats.

  22. H.Upmann says:

    Sup y’all. Just wanna say that tanking can’t be good for the room and doesn’t help build towards training camp, even with the draft pick. Look at the Leafs, losing mentality. Have a happy patio afternoon!

  23. Danno says:

    Is Markov really injured or not?


    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  24. BJ says:

    A bit of Trivia. How many Gordie Howe hat tricks did Gordie Howe have during his career? If you answered two. You are correct. Gordie Howe, achieved a Gordie Howe hat trick twice in his NHL career. Howe got his first Gordie Howe Hat Trick on October 11, 1953 when he fought the Toronto Maple Leafs’ Fernie Flaman, assisted on Red Kelly’s goal, and scored his own. His second happened on March 21, 1954, once again versus the Maple Leafs. Howe scored the opening goal, assisted on two Ted Lindsay goals, and fought Ted “Teeder” Kennedy. Amazing how legends are created.

  25. TomNickle says:

    This upper body injury deal is an absolute joke.

    The way this team operates is that if a player is nursing an injury, they miss morning skate and then test things out in warmup or get scratched before hand.

    Now three mysterious upper body injuries in the last two games? Bull. They’re giving Kaberle an excuse to take some extra time with his child, slowing down Markov’s comeback to nurse his body and had Emelin out to see how Weber would fair with a capable defenseman in Markov.

    You’ll see Emelin and Weber paired together tonight. Guaranteed.

    This organization has some serious public relations shortcomings.

    • TorontoHabsFan says:

      I seem to remember there being a rule about icing the best team you possibly can – which might be why you see a lot of teams go the “vague injury” route when a player is given time off to heal/personal time.

      • TomNickle says:

        That’s exactly what it is. Markov has no more of an upper body injury than the bruise on Price’s hand from Neil’s net crashing this week.

        Kaberle’s upper body injury is likely from holding a newborn baby for the first time for extended hours.

        And Emelin’s magically healed in two days.

        • krob1000 says:

          I actually prefer to see the positive…no Markov! woohoo…maybe we have a chance to give these two points up now. In an ideal world this would keep up til after tomorrow nights 4 pointer against the ISles. We screwed ourselves agaisnt the Oilers in that pivotal game!

      • kbhab4ever says:

        Well a team cannot say otherwise. Any `rest`time would be seen as tanking. We now have the #4 draft pick ,dropped from 3rd, thanks for the latest suge! We could end up with the !”/$%?&*()_9th pick instead of 3rdand a chance to win 1st , FFFF”$%kkkkkk with the way things have happened this year I can see Habs even blowing the draft

      • Strummer says:

        That means you can’t bench a player for punishment like RC did with Eller and Subban?

        “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

    • thorandresson says:

      So what, why should they be giving their cards away and why should they be spoon feeding information to the media? Let them do some work. A lot of teams pull the same antics.

      If anything (as suggested in yesterday’s post) this team needs to hire a tall hot blonde to talk to the media every once in a while and everyone will be happy.

      • TomNickle says:

        There are people who are going to be incredibly concerned about Andrei Markov over the next fourty-eight hours. Saying, we’re giving him a day of rest would not have been seen negatively.

        It would be a better comment than “we’re winning too much with him in the lineup”.

      • Cal says:

        The Habs have been more secretive since Boivin is out of the picture. No trades are announced or previewed before they are done, which I find to be a good thing.

      • kbhab4ever says:

        The media in Habland are so soft when they ask questions to the team,It took a new young reporter to ask why wasn`t Cole playing on PP,it took the media about 20 games just to ASK about Bourque being a slacker!They never ask why Eller never gets PP time yet he is the leading goalscorcer among centers. YET they will write it or go on TSN990 and ask these things. BUT never ask the team.Are they all cowards or are they scared of loseing thier press passes.Whatever the reason is it is not rigth at least in T.O.with Burkie that at least get ASKED

    • NCRhabsfan says:

      Who is to say what your “best” team is? Really, how would you decide that. Arguably any Habs lineup improves if Gomez is not in it. That’s not to say that I don’t agree that there is probably nothing wrong with Markov that he couldn’t play through if there were a reason to. The Habs are being probably careful to be perceived as playing by the rules by the NHL HO.

      I am not a fan of the “tanking” school, but I’m also not a fan of the “win at all costs” camp now that it means nothing. All professional franchises should be permitted to take the long view from time to time. If the Habs were taking the “long view” right now they would play the players they need to assess. LL and AP with Pleks, 2nd line, 17 minutes a game no matter what. PP time as well. Noki, Gomer, Bourque, Darche, Campoli and Weber wouldn’t play again unless there were injuries that forced them into the lineup. The Habs know what they can do. Budjah would make half of the remaining starts. St Denis would spend the rest of the season with the club and take a regular turn on D. Might as well see what he can do. If there’s someone else in the A, bring him yup and give him a regular turn in the role you’re hoping he’ll play – not as a 4th line digger unless that’s what you’re hoping for. Markov would play no more than 15 minutes a game, no matter how close the game, most of it on the PP.

      This isn’t tanking, it’s taking a strategic view and evaluating what you’ve got. RC would try and get the kids to win every game, but he wouldn’t have a say in who dressed.

      • kbhab4ever says:

        The Habs are taking a chance at screwing the future by Not taking the “LONG VIEW`as you call it.Schultz should be up he has good stats,Leblanc,Palushaj , Eller, StDenis, Emelin should be played till they DROP

      • Cal says:

        Giving the kids all the unmerited TOI pisses off the veterans and the coach loses the room completely. Always play to win.

        • NCRhabsfan says:

          Sorry, Cal, I don’t buy it. What makes you think RC has the room in the first place? Which vets are we worried about upsetting? Bourque, Darche, Campoli, Gomez? Do we care? Besides, the vets are smart enough to know that the team needs to audition its younger players, particularly when they’re in the process of putting together an absolute stinker of a season.

          On the other hand, who’s to say the team won’t play better? The Sens did last year, and they got to see what they might expect from Butler, Greening, Smith and others this season. Play hard, play to win, but dress players with a strategic goal, not a tactical one.

  26. habstrinifan says:

    OK! OK! Markov out… ticket is now 49.99. Geeez you guys drive a hard bargain.

    ALL kidding aside.. where are you Ian?

  27. TorontoHabsFan says:

    Boston has to be the most Jekyll & Hyde team I’ve seen in years. When they’re on (like they were in Nov/Dec) they look like they’ll never lose a game again. But when they’re off (like they were in Oct/Now) they look like they’ll never score another goal again.

    (I much prefer them when they struggle!)

    • AndyF says:

      A lot of damage to the Bruins was inflicted by the Habs in the last game they played. Emelin and Subban were giving out bone-crunching hits, and the Bruins looked… scared.

      And didn’t Peverley get sidelined after that game?

      Fail to Fail for Nail

      • TorontoHabsFan says:

        I think their goaltending has covered up a lot of flaws for them. Now that their goaltending is struggling, they’re not the juggernaut they once were…and look every inch a 7th or 8th seed.

      • Rad says:

        You’re saying the Habs intimidated the Bruins? I’ve got some well-irrigated land in Florida I’d like to sell you for cheap.

    • savethepuck says:

      The Bruins were injury free for most of the season until the last month or more. A few injuries and less than spectacular goaltending has put them in the crapper. I have to question their depth. We have gone nearly a full season with at least 5 regulars out every game. For some reason it doesn’t seeem to hurt the Pens, but I think they are a rarity.

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

      • TorontoHabsFan says:

        They’ve got two centres that I absolutely love (Krejci and Bergeron) and a prospect who will be a star (Seguin) but outside of that, there’s not a whole lot on that team that I care for – they play Julien’s system very well and have been getting otherworldly goaltending for the last two years.

        The only time I’d cheer for Torterella would be to see NYR sweep them in the 1st round. 😀

    • Sean Bonjovi says:

      Nathan Horton deserves a lot of credit apparently. The Bruins could score the year before they got him and they haven’t been able to score since he got hurt. He’s still ugly though.

      “Patch the holes, ride it out, Play for 2015”
      – Sean Bonjovi

  28. habstrinifan says:


    Got tickets in HAND… with one parking pass.

    Sec 109 Row M Seat 3 and 4… should be great seats I think. All I know is at visitors end so we see Price two periods. And if HABS play their lay-back passive game then action may never leave our end LOL.

    OK So anyone who can get hold of Ian pls do and tell him to read this post and reply to jimlyaw@rogers.com.

    Ian has till 2:00pm then ticket available till 3:00pm then I am off to GYM… build up the biceps in case we get in brawl. LOL.

    Again ticket I am almost giving away ticket…$50.00. Email me then we can organize . You pay when you INSIDE AND IN YOUR SEAT so no worry there.

    Hope Ian is available if not hope someone is by 300pm.

    • Vladdy Mondavi says:

      Interesting offer… I’d be in if I didn’t have a friend (despite his taste in hockey teams) visiting from TO. Perhaps another time.

      Opinions are like kittens, I’m giving them away.

  29. Rad says:

    Shout-out to the posters who live in Ontario — has anybody seen Cody Ceci play? He’s currently projected middle of the 1st Round in a draft that is deep in defensemen. I am thinking he may be a diamond in the rough, and could possibly end up as one of the best D-men from this draft. Any thoughts on this kid?

    • Vladdy Mondavi says:

      He didn’t play the one 67s game I went to this year, but he’s been a regular on the team for a few years. Kid can play.

      Opinions are like kittens, I’m giving them away.

  30. kempie says:

    Boy, how about those Bruins? 🙂

    • Nice to see. Maybe the leagues leaders finally had enough of their chip, jawing play and took it to them. If you look at the hits in the last game, each team had over 30 and that is grinding them down, just like in the playoffs. Vancouver got ground to mince meat last year, but this year, the Bruins are doing it to themselves. A mean spirited bunch of thugs that are getting it handed to them. Especially Chara, who gives it but can’t take it for his size. Anyone with skill just walks around him or takes his flubs and he’s had plenty. Welcome back to earth Boston. I’ll repeat what I was told when living there (Heated the people and the city). “If you don’t like it leave” so I did and so will their chances of a cup.

      Promote the Youth, Support From The Veterans and Remember the Heritage!

  31. Malreg says:

    Here’s a nice list of potential GM candidates in the NHL:


    Jim Nill would be my 1st choice, but I realize it’s probably next to impossible. Julien Brisebois is probably the front-runner.

    • thorandresson says:

      What about Larry Carrierre? He has a lot more experience than guys like Brisebois or Loiselle. Besides Brisebois doesn’t have a hockey background, so his hockey knowledge is suspect (relatively of course, he knows more than all of us). Steve Hindle wrote a good article a while back about how Carrierre would be a good choice if there was to be a GM change.

      • Bill says:

        Loiselle has tons of experience.

        Full Breezer 4 Life

        • thorandresson says:

          Don’t know much about him, but i don’t like that he works for Burke. Another possibility is to hire an ex-agent, like Vancouver did with Gillis, and he’s proven to be great, I’d rank him right below Holland and on the same level as Poile. He’s made some great moves to get that team where they are.

  32. ZepFan2 says:

    Markov out with upper body injury. His face?


    Edit: Kaberle out as well.

    “You cannot petition the lord with prayer!” – James Douglas Morrison

    The Soft Parade

    • Vladdy Mondavi says:

      I was about to report the same news… is his upper body his nose?

      Opinions are like kittens, I’m giving them away.

      • ZepFan2 says:

        Could be. It must be from the puck in the face. That and the fact they were thinking of playing him in only one game in the back to back games.

        “You cannot petition the lord with prayer!” – James Douglas Morrison

        The Soft Parade

    • Malreg says:

      A few random “upper-body injuries” lately… Emelin, Kaberle, Markov?

      • Vladdy Mondavi says:

        Wasn’t Kaberle out for the birth of his son? I guess if his heart isn’t going to be in it… wait a sec…

        Opinions are like kittens, I’m giving them away.

        • Malreg says:

          He was supposed to rejoin the team in Ottawa for tonight’s game, but now he is out with a “upper-body injury” and will rejoin the team in Montreal.

          • Vladdy Mondavi says:

            Missed that memo. Thanks.

            Opinions are like kittens, I’m giving them away.

    • shiram says:

      RC talked about playing Markov only one game this week-end, I expect he’ll play tomorow.
      Kaberle upper body after his wife gave birth, let the speculation begin!

      Emelin is back in.

      RC : “Merci beaucoup.”

  33. habfan53 says:

    Here is a link to Kerry Frasers thoughts on Coles high 5

    to paraphrase Nixon: If the Bruins do it, it is not illegal

  34. Hobie Hansen says:

    People are annoyed with Bourque and with good reason. The guy has been invisible for 90% of the time since he arrived from Calgary.

    If you compare Bourque to Cammalleri straight up it’s obvious Cammmalleri has a significantly better shot and creates more offense on a nightly basis. You tend to hear Cammalleri’s name called a lot more often than Bourque’s that’s for sure.

    But lets not forget a few things. Bourque makes half of what Cammalleri does. $6 million a year for Cammalleri??? Ridiculous!!! We still have $3 million to spend on another 20-goal-scorrer after that deal.

    Bourque has scored more goals, I think, than Cammalleri over the past two seasons. Bourque can dish out and take hits. Bourque can forecheck and push people off pucks in the corner.

    We haven’t seen Bourque do much of any of those things since arriving in Montreal that’s for sure but I’m not counting him out just yet.

    He’s been playing with a slumping Plekanec and Gionta is missing on the other wing. He’s playing for a lame duck, rookie coach who will be gone next season.

    I’m giving him a pass until next season where he’ll be playing for a new coach and with his correct line mates and a new game plan for the entire team.

    • thorandresson says:

      I agree, hopefully Patrick Roy can get him fired up next year, that’s right I’m assuming he’ll be the coach…

    • 24 Cups says:

      HH – The only problem is that Bourque suffered from the same problems in Calgary. They were glad to get rid of him after making the mistake of giving him a long-term contract. There is also the telling comments by Kelly Hrudey from a CBC telecast.

      Cammalleri has more talent than Bourque. They play a different kind of game but had worn out their welcome with both of their respective teams. The trade was a slacker for a slacker, just like the Lats-Pouilot deal.

      If anything, you would think that he would come here and catch on fire the way Downie has done in Colorado. It’s all on him, not Pleks or the coach.

      Next season Bourque will be a 3rd line winger who gets 15 minutes a game. That reality means the Habs need to go out and find another LW who can play on the 2nd line. There’s a major void that needs to be addressed, especially seeing that AK46 and Moen are gone. Plus there is no one in the system who can step up.

      • thorandresson says:

        Since when is Moen gone?

        • 24 Cups says:

          Until a UFA is signed I don’t count him as being part of our future. Some re-sign (Gill) while others move on (Hamrlik).

          Neither Bourque of Moen can play regular, season long 2nd line minutes. The role is too much for Moen and Bourque appears to be a slacker.

          • thorandresson says:

            Yah, but if they didn’t trade him, I’m sure they’re planning on signing him, so I’d count him in until proven otherwise. Guess we see things with a different perspective.

      • Cal says:

        Teams generally trade their problem players to other teams and receive problem players in return. I’m sure with the Flames recent run for the playoffs that Bourque isn’t particularly happy to be in Montreal right now.

    • …and if I may Hobie, he’s had plenty of chances and hasn’t clicked. He missed a couple of open nets as he was coming to the front of the crease on Wed. and has had similar missed opportunities that can be attributed to being to tight, just like Subban and the rest of the team has been for much of this accursed season. We’re all looking forward to a new season with a healthy team and hopefully a high draft pick. We can see that most of our team has had a fall in production except Max-pac, DD and that beast Cole. What a great line. Price has suffered too with the youth and inexperience in front of him giving away passes often onto the stick of opponents. We have roughly 11 decent players to start the season off with and my hope is that whoever the new GM is, he will have a fire in his belly to win the Cup, not to just squeak into the playoffs. Keepers include Gorges, Subban, Price, Max-Pac, DD, Cole, Eller, LL, Emelin (what a tank, hope he’s healthy), Markov (who knows how ling his knee will work, but pairing him with Emelin, that’ll be nice), Staubitz (need a cop and he’s willing to fight). Whie I like White, he doesn’t give much offense. Little Diaz could use more conditioning. Weber needs to go. Campoli, nuff siad. Kaberle, what a shame he can’t seem to get back into gear. As is he needs to go with his $4 million salary. May be a tough sell. Gomez, what a disaster, now he’s injured for a third time this year. Seems like when a player is so poorly performing they get injured more. Gionta, I can take him or eave him. Too small, not that much offense. That would make 12 as well as Plekanec who has underperformed this year because the whole team and coaching sucked. That would make 13. Darche take him or leave him as he works hard, but has little offense. Although he’s cheap. I’d like to keep Blunden for his size if he was willing to use it and he’s also cheap. Noki.. got nothin’ trade him let him go. I mean Geoffrion is a nice name to have, but he doesn’t seem to be able to skate. Keep him cheaply in Hamilton. Moen, had a breakout year, which still didn’t amount to much, but on the fourth line may create some traffic and chances, Otherwise trade him for something that can score. Palushaj, out or Hamilton, he’s got some heart, but can’t seem to produce. St. Denis showed he may have some talent, but keep him in training until he can help out Carey and set-up at the point. That gives us 13 players for 2013 a need for a GM, Coach, big scoring center and blue liner that can move the puck out and shoot. Did I miss anyone? I haven’t included the call-ups and university bunch because they are greener than the green ones we have this year and it would be a mistake to call them up before they are ready for prime time.

      Promote the Youth, Support From The Veterans and Remember the Heritage!

      • thorandresson says:

        How could you diss Gionta? Seriously dude, he’s the captain, leads by example, goes to the dirty areas, scores goals, plays well defensively, he even gave Erik Cole a call before he signed and helped convince him.

        • Mr_MacDougall says:

          Did he really call Cole? That is a pretty interesting story, did not hear it before.

        • Not dissing him at all. I just see him paired with Gomez and when the G is gone, Gionta may have a hole in his stomach despite knowing what was going on the entire season. He is small and we have a lot of small prospects in Forward and that is my focus. Will he recover from the torn bicep? Sure. Will he continue to produce 20 odd goals and similar assists? Yes to that too. Is he our major concern, no, not at all. We have plenty of needs without throwing him to the wolves and if you remember Cammy was also a leader, outspoken, commenting until JM kept a noose around the teams neck playing the “System” and everyone got frustrated.

          Promote the Youth, Support From The Veterans and Remember the Heritage!

  35. Mr_MacDougall says:


    Eliminating Revenue Sharing is possible if teams were permitted to “sell” or trade cap space (at no more that $1 per dollar of cap space and no less that $0.50 per dollar of cap space).

  36. Mr_MacDougall says:

    @Chris and others who are annoyed with the NHL draft rewarding the worst teams.

    The NHL is all about money, so how about having the teams that miss the playoffs have a tournament to determine draft positioning.

    Have an east division and a west, single round robin.

    • HardHabits says:

      That makes things more difficult for the weaker teams to improve, especially if they are in weak markets. The draft system is intended to give weak teams a chance at getting on even ground. The salary cap is intended to make it unlikely that a team can buy its way to the Cup or pilfer other team’s prospects. If the league was uninterested in parity then those two concepts could, and by that I mean as a possibility and not as a probability, be on the table. As it stands, eliminating the draft is a non-starter.

      The idea of having a tourney to jockey for draft position would force the league to contract as the eventuality is that certain teams would just get worse and worse with little hope of improving. Logistically it doesn’t make sense.

      • Mr_MacDougall says:

        The tourney would have given incentive for teams such as the Habs to keep Kostitsyn and Gill, and maybe even add a player to “compete” for the first overall pick.

  37. FanCritic says:

    Don’t get me wrong, I like Markov and he’s one of the best. like Crosby he’s one Bad hit away from retiring. They’ll never be able to play tough again or they’re goin down…. and toughness is a big part of winning. Hate to say this and I’m sure there will be lots of comments, if I could get something good for Markov I would do it while the going is good. it’s a chance you have to take like the chance they took in signing him.

    • Cal says:

      Wow. The same reason Markov isn’t being traded is the same reason Crosby won’t be. The upside is waaaaaaaaaaaaay better than what you would receive in trade. And, by the way, EVERY player is 1 hit away from retirement.

    • Mr_MacDougall says:

      Name me a player that is not “one hit away from retirement.”

    • shiram says:

      His value is not high right now, considering how many games he played in recent years. If the team feels it can move on without Markov, I’d say the next trade deadline is the best bet to get the best return on Markov

      RC : “Merci beaucoup.”

    • Strummer says:

      Seeing as Markov has missed so many games in the past 2 years I look at him as an “older model with lower mileage ”
      Definitely a keeper

      “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

  38. habstrinifan says:

    Dont know if I am doing this the ‘proper’ way. Forgive me if I am not.

    This has all the ‘ifs’ of a habs draft pick but here goes.

    First dibbs to IAN COBB cause he’s the one who organizes the summit.

    I will know by 1:00pm if I have TWO SEC 100 TKTS for tonight’s game in Ottawa… IF I do then I am using ONE and offering the other for the HIO special of $50.00 bucks. These are 100 level tickets just diagonally behind visitors end.

    OK again… confirmation of me having tickets not before 1:00pm I will repost here.

    First dibbs to IAN (since he runs the summit) but of course Ian u gotta drive from Belleville which is why I am giving 1:00 PM AS DEADLINE from tkt source.

    Then if Ian cant make it first come first served.

    AGAIN: Confirmation I have tkts 1:00pm today.
    50.00 for sec 100 tkt.. ONE I am using other one. so u will
    have to sit with crazy old hab fan guy.

    IAN gets first dibbs… then first come first serve.
    OH yeah you buy pizza lol.

    I will repost with my email, if and when I have tkts in hand, at 1:30pm.

    Again I apologize if I am not following protocol but I dont know how to get emails or home city from your profiles else I would contact only ottawa folks.

  39. adamkennelly says:

    Hoping our boy Stauby has a chat with Neil tonight..he was slightly abusive last game and needs some straitening out for the last 2 years of free reign…

  40. LafleurGuy says:

    Two additions that will make this a contender: 1. Shea Weber-type defenceman (without the expensive price-tag), 2. Rod Brind’amour type forward.

    “May you live in interesting times.”

    • Mr_MacDougall says:

      My three additions, Top 6 LW and a True Number One Center, and a 5/6 Dman that is physical and defensively sound (Bryan Allen).

      • Cal says:

        There are only 9 “true #1 center” types in the league right now. No team is willing to part with one unless they have major character flaws or flaws in their game, making them less than ideal #1s.

        • Mr_MacDougall says:

          I agree with there only being approx 9. Have to think Crosby, Malikin, Toews, Stamkos, Kopitar, Staal, Getzlaf… while Sedin, Thornton, Datsyuk are getting old.

      • jedimyrmidon says:

        Lol, at True Number One Center: such a grand way of putting it. Akin to the One True God or the True Path to Enlightenment.

        Yes, a True Number One Center will lead the way to the Cup!

  41. Gerry H says:

    Don’t look now, but it’s not outlandish to wonder if the Bruins are in peril of dropping out of the playoff picture. A win by the Sens tonight would drop them to seventh. They’d be eight points ahead of Buffalo. If Buffalo and Boston finish the season with the point percentage they’ve maintained over the last ten games, Boston is out.

  42. twilighthours says:

    Also, of you believe the non-tankers around here, teams are rarely rewarded for finishing at the bottom. ‘look at Columbus, they’ve tanked for years!’

  43. 44har48 says:

    I don’t know about any of you, but I got my answers about Andrei Markov. Wow. I think he needs about 25-30 games to get his game back but he already exibits more talent than anyone on our team. It is so obvious his ice vision, crisp passing, and of course hockey mentality. I am really pleased. I think Emelin needs to get more ice time with him to understand the crossovers and such, but wow, they are going to be great for us if they stay healthy. And yeah, I saw the goals he gave up by lunging after a guy or falling down, like I said, give him 25-30 games. Gorges was putrid when he came back for the first 20 games.

    • LafleurGuy says:

      He looked good. He’s probably 75% or thereabouts of his top form. This is like his pre-season, and yes, the cynics could say he is preparing for the European Hockey Championships ( a nickname). Remember how long it took Eric Cole to hit his stride in the early season? Incredible that he wasn’t getting any powerplay time.

      “May you live in interesting times.”

    • bleedhabs81 says:

      I have only seen one game with Markov (I was skiing all last weekend and monday in the mountains of BC), but I agree. He looks good and he looks dangerous.

      My one hesitation with him is his “backdoor” attempts. I feel like I saw him zipping by the sens goalie a little to often… maybe I just forget how good he is at picking his spots… but I kept expecting him to get burned. I guess that is why we have Price though.

      • 44har48 says:

        That’s his Hockey mentality, he just seems to know when he can and can’t do that. I think better timing and we’ll see some of those turned into goals again.

        Good for you skiing! It’s been a tough year for skiers where I live (Lake Placid, NY)

        • bleedhabs81 says:

          You know, we have had barely any snow in Calgary (like the rest of the country) but the mountains are still seeing lots of the white stuff.

          I was even in a blizzard at the top of the mountain on Sunday…. very eerie feeling when you can’t differentiate between snow or sky and you can’t find any points of reference. Kind of like that scene in the Matrix when Neo is first “inserted” in and everything is white… no foreground, background… nothing. At one point I stopped but I really couldn’t tell if I had completely stopped. Unsettling.

          As for Markov, I agree, he will just get better at picking his spots. If he screws up a few times this year, no big deal. In fact, it would even help the tank movement.

  44. twilighthours says:

    Re: Chris – eliminating draft. Interesting but bad idea. We
    Already know players take pay cuts o play in certain cities, or command premiums (look at cole in Montreal, wasn’t coming until he got 4th year). Eliminating the
    Draft only exacerbates the problem as instead of 27-28-29 year old ufa picking and choosing, 18 year olds pick and choose. Think Winnipeg or Edmonton is a tough ufa draw now, imagine what an 18 year old thinks? Hmmm… South Florida or the hinterland…

    I’m on an iPhone and this is frustrating so I’m done

  45. LafleurGuy says:

    I get slapped down whenever I bring up this point but being repetitive has never stopped me or other posters on this site (Bruins suck!). In getting excited about next year’s potential young stars, you have to look at the draftees taken after 2007, the year McDonough (jab), Eller, Pacioretty, and finally our second-rounder Subban were chosen. I have more faith that Gallagher, and Beaulieu will be more impactful in the 2012-2013 season than Radek Faksa, or Gringo.

    “May you live in interesting times.”

  46. BJ says:

    A question about this years 1st rounder. Would anyone consider giving up our 1st rounder 2012 for Columbus’s 2013 1st pick? Considering Nash could/will be traded, that could mean a good crack at next years 1st overall. Just a thought….Nathan MacKinnon in a Habs jersey, nice thought.

    • joeybarrie says:

      The future is undetermined. Columbus might end up having a good season. We have done a good job of drafting in the last few years. I say keep whatever pick we deserve and make the best of it.
      I’m hoping for a good run to end the season, but I would still prefer to end up in 27th to 26th.
      We deserve another top 5. NYI, Columbus, Edmonton do not, they can never do anything good with all they have been given.
      There should be some merit system. If you got a bunch of top draft picks last year, you are excluded. Especially Edmonton. HOW MANY TOP 5 DO YOU NEED????? And Toronto on basic principle.

      • Strummer says:

        “The future is undetermined’

        How about “The Future is Unwritten”?

        “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

        • GrimJim says:

          My favourite is
          “People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but *actually* from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint – it’s more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly… time-y wimey… stuff.”

    • 24 Cups says:

      BJ – No, what happens if there is a lockout again next year and the NHL goes with a full lottery draft like they did in 2005? We could land up picking 27th while Columbus picks 5th this year.

  47. Malreg says:

    I find it ironic that the only fans in the NHL that dislike Price, or think he isn’t a great goalie, are from Montreal.

    • TorontoHabsFan says:

      It’s funny, whenever I talk hockey with my Leafs buddies the one player from Montreal they’d kill to have is Price. They’ll rag on every single Hab with glee, but mention Price and they get quiet and mutter “man he’d look good in our net”.

    • 44har48 says:

      I know man, I’m with ya..i just laugh at these people on here that bash Price. They just never got over their love affair with Halak and they are entitled to their opinions, as am I.

      • issie74 says:

        44har48 (Halakville) think I will listen to the likes of Kevin Weeks,Jamie Mclennan,Marc Crawford and Craig MacTavish just to name a few.


        • 44har48 says:

          …and what do they say – I don’t get TSN? BTW, hope you are not thinking I’m a Halak supporter, I’ve been very critical of his overall long term game and I couldn’t wait to ship him out for a good prospect and turn it over to Price.

          • issie74 says:

            44har48 They all pick Carey Price as the tender every club would like to have.


          • issie74 says:

            Now I realize Weeks and McLennan are only goalies who played in the NHL … and MacTavish and Crawford are only ex-coaches but I think they have just a little insight into the players.


    • LafleurGuy says:

      Boston fans bring up the “over-rated” tag that was put on Carey two years ago when Jaro was chosen as the playoff ‘tender by Jacques Martin. Gotta say that Martin did some nifty coaching that April but “what have you done for me lately?” is the inviolable rule on this website (see Robert Michael Gainey).

      “May you live in interesting times.”

    • ont fan says:

      Red Wing fans too. They swoon over Price down here.

  48. 24 Cups says:

    How’s this for a way of revamping the entry level draft.

    The bottom 14 teams who don’t make the playoffs go into a full lottery draft (like in 2005) and are ranked 1-14.

    The 8 teams who lose out in the first round then go into another lottery draft to be ranked 15-22.

    The final 8 teams are then broken into two groups of four (depending on how they finish) and then have two separate four team lotteries to decide the final 8 spots.

    This format would act as a way of trying to strengthen the weaker teams while at the same time protecting the integrity of the game.

    • HardHabits says:

      Interesting. I like it.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Very fair, only problem is as long as Bettman would be administrating this I don’t trust it. Cynical I know, but I really think this guy would pick and choose franchises to receive better picks.

    • Chris says:

      Just can the draft (and maximum rookie salaries) altogether.

      We already have a hard salary cap, guaranteed contracts and a limit of 50 professional contracts per team.

      There is absolutely no reason whatsoever to hold a draft anymore, as those other three mechanisms ensure that teams can not stack up on talent.

      By getting rid of the draft, you remove the somewhat awful notion of imposing on a young individual where they are forced to live and work. Eric Lindros is generally reviled for not wanting to play in Quebec City, but I imagine you would be able to find a lot of NHL players who also don’t want to move to that environment. I don’t personallun understand the aversion to culture, but let’s face it…a significant number of hockey players aren’t exactly the most enlightened of human beings. By removing the salary limit, you add some variety into the mix.

      Young players will have to decide amongst many options: sign with a contender, probably for less money and reduced ice time? Sign with a bottom feeder for an opportunity to get loads of ice time, PP time and choice linemates to boost your statistics for your next contract?

      Teams will be forced to decide if they want to roll the dice on a young prospect, or go with guys that have already proven they can play in the league.

      And fans get to see a league where sheer incompetence is not rewarded every year. Putting aside the money (which I know is nearly impossible for most fans), how crappy does a guy like Rick Nash feel knowing that he is 10 years into his career and the team he got drafted by did nothing during his tenure? How do you feel if you are John Tavares, stuck on one of the most mismanaged teams in the NHL?

      • LafleurGuy says:

        Good to hear from Chris, don’t call me Goyens. The last CBA created the RFA catergory which could have “unlocked” players in Tavares situation. Marcel Dionne and Mike Gartner were never champions despite 700-goal careers. Granted, the RFA designation created major headaches for the Coyotes concerning Kyle Turris, and I fear that after July 1st we will have major posting on this site about the handling of contract negotiations with Carey, Max, and P.K.

        “May you live in interesting times.”

      • TorontoHabsFan says:

        I like the concept, but I suspect that the agents’ apparent mantra to “always take the guaranteed money”* would make the enterprise a little less interesting than you posit.

        *the only two exceptions that I can recall were when Kariya signed in Colorado and Vokoun signing with Washington last summer

        • Chris says:

          Hossa in Pittsburgh was another recent example…he got money, but only signed a one year deal.

          In general, the players are going to go to the team that offers the biggest salary. But ice time and opportunity is very important…few teams are going to offer an 18 year old a $5 million per year guaranteed contract. As such, that player has to find a good fit so that they can position themselves to earn more on their second contract.

      • HardHabits says:

        Eliminating the draft is a non-starter. It will never happen nor should it. I am surprised you would stake such a weak position.

        • HabFanSince72 says:

          Hang on. “It will never happen” isn’t a weak argument?

          Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

          • HardHabits says:

            Hey let’s just eliminate the draft, the salary cap, and revenue sharing.

            Suggesting the NHL eliminate the draft a completely useless suggestion because it’s never going to happen.

          • Chris says:

            HH: Note that I said that the presence of a salary cap is a fundamental requirement for my argument of dropping the draft.

        • Chris says:


          Given many of your laughers over the past year or two, I’m not even sure how to respond to that one. 🙂

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        I would favor this, but the bottom feeder clubs with no fans would never agree.

        Also, how would you feel being Jon Tavares: young, living in New York City, no pressure job that earns you $3.75M this year rising to $6M and guaranteed for the next 6 years? I’d feel OK.

        Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • New says:

      Something should be done if a team is badly managed. There is no incentive to win. So yeah, you miss the playoffs and all of you go into a non-weighted pool. 30th has as much a chance at the number 1 as 17th. That would smarten up some of these managers.

      Now you are a disaster of a manager, can’t draft worth a $, and put no money into development. Good players waste away and never earn what they could otherwheres.

      Weird system.

  49. 24 Cups says:

    Funny how one night can change the playoff picture. Crosby AND Letang return for the Pens while Andy McDonald takes a tough spill and may have re-injured his shoulder. That would be a very devastating blow for St. Louis if he can’t suit up for the playoffs.

    • LafleurGuy says:

      Good player, but man, the Blues have killer depth.

      “May you live in interesting times.”

      • Chris says:

        I find it somewhat odd that the Blues have killer depth, yet the Habs are a one-line team.

        Montreal has scored more goals this season than St. Louis. Removing their one point-per-game player (McDonald had 9 goals and 19 points in 21 games) is a big blow for a team that plays so many 1-goal games (33 out of 72).

        That being said, the Blues have won based on their defence, not their offence. I believe that their inability to score goals will ultimately be their Achilles heel, but they have managed without McDonald for most of the season.

        • LafleurGuy says:

          Their goal differential must be top 5 in the league. Their GAA must be no. 1, even though Jaro faced 46 shots the other night. Also, the smallish McDonald missed something like 20+ games already with a concussion.

          “May you live in interesting times.”

          • Chris says:

            He missed about 50 games. 🙂 Only played 21 games this season…he could be an important piece for St. Louis, because no team with such a pitiful offence has won a Stanley Cup in the post-lockout era.

  50. 24 Cups says:

    Lots of entry draft talk today. The lottery pick aside, it would appear that the best Montreal could do is finish 3rd, while the worst case scenario would be 9th. That’s a bit of a worry as seeing there appears to be 8 top ranked prospects (9 if you count Reinhart or Reilly in the mix).

    Locks – Edmonton and Columbus

    Trending downward – Islanders, Minnesota and Toronto

    Holding their own – Anaheim, Carolina and Tampa

    • LafleurGuy says:

      Very in-depth and insightful. Now that SF09 has departed, it’s up to you and Chris to research and enlighten us on these super interesting facts. A good item for analyses is the success of teams who used 18- turning-19 year olds in their line-ups. Successes would include Crosby and Toews. Non-factors with regard to team success include Nugent-Hopkins, T. Hall, Joel Skinner, Matt Duchene, Rick Nash, Tavares, Viktor Hedman, Latendresse, and others.
      So, if we do pick ninth, disappointment of course. But if we pick 3rd and choose Radek Faksa, then an early shout out for the 2013-2014 team. I think Max P. and P.K. only became impactful as 21 year olds.

      “May you live in interesting times.”

  51. 24 Cups says:

    Here’s a prospect who is ranked in the top 15 for young defensemen who are presently not playing in the NHL. He may well become an UFA this July 1st. Are the rich about to become richer?


    • HabinBurlington says:

      Have to believe Anaheim would be mighty pissed if this kid goes and signs with Vancouver, there is history between the two clubs from when Burke left Vancouver and went to Anaheim also. Will be interesting to watch.

    • Malreg says:

      I really feel for Anaheim…

      There is no financial advantage for this kid to wait it out and not sign with Anaheim. If he signs with Anaheim now, plays this season, he’ll even burn a year of his ELC, so the only real reason to not sign with Anaheim is because he doesn’t want to play there.

      Some people say this kid is one of the best defenseman not playing in the NHL right now. He’s also one of the reasons why Anaheim thought Jake Gardiner was expendable.

      • Cardiac says:

        That’s one trade that Toronto can say they actually won… for now…

        “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
        – Jerry Maguire

  52. LafleurGuy says:

    Fans get a long leash because of the intense passion they feel for their team(s), but some of today’s comments are over the top. Gauthier is often silent, but his antithesis, Burke stated publicly that tanking is not an option. Edmonton continues to play hard and Renney even risked ostracizing his players with some harsh criticism after a recent game. That team is not tanking. I doubt many of our fanbase follow news coming from Greensboro, or Long Island, but judging from their intensity of effort this late in a non-playoff season, they are not tanking. Why then should we be the weakling amidst fourteen non-playoff teams, and plan to lose. Losing is for losers. Felt great with the 3-2 win a couple of nights ago, and will feel great if we win tonight, especially if we get to watch Price, Subban, Cole, Desharnais, Pacioretty, and Markov play well again. Even more satisfaction will be felt if Tomas, Lars, and Bourque have strong games. Go Habs, go!

    “May you live in interesting times.”

    • LA Loyalist says:

      Well, it’s the fault of the NHL that Tanquing ™ pays. The top picks should reward the non-playoff teams that fight hard to the end, thus tanking won’t be rewarded.

      That said, your philosophy just perpetuates mediocrity. Aren’t you tired of that? God knows I am.

      Anyway, this is all just a tune-up for Markov to play in the Worlds.

      • LafleurGuy says:

        Like your idea of a new draft order but all the major league sports use basically the same “Last shall be first” (factoring in a 5-team lottery in the NHL, and 7-team in the NBA) order of choosing.

        “May you live in interesting times.”

  53. Blouin says:

    “The Bourque Bafflement” sounds like an episode of the Big Bang Theory

  54. Cardiac says:

    So the Leafs should trade Kessel? What do they hope to get for him… two 1st round picks from a bottom feeder?

    Even though no player is worth that, I like Kessel. The guy pots 30+ goals consistently on a crappy team. Would you take that over Seguin and Hamillton?

    Oh, and btw… Farber >>>> Cox

    “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
    – Jerry Maguire

    • LafleurGuy says:

      Kessel has done all that was expected of him. He is not a five-tool player (baseball metaphor), otherwise Boston (boo!) would have put a franchise tag (NFL metaphor) on him as a 21 year old RFA three years ago and signed him to a big contract. The subject matter of the Toronto press corps is about “Actions to Get a Playoff Berth” and hence the spotlight focus is on the one asset that could yield the highest return. This quiet young man is receiving Richer-type hyper-scrutiny. He has had a laudable career so far, is 24 years old, and if Dennis Green stated, “the Bears were who we thought they were!!!,” Kessel is too. 5th pick overall in 2006 when the Blues chose Eric Johnson 1st overall.

      “May you live in interesting times.”

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I think Kessel will be used to try land Nash.

      And Farber is way better than Cox, I concur.

  55. Fansincebirth says:

    Would it be too much to ask to see Staubitz rearrange Neil’s face tonight?

    How about a Subban monstrous check on someone?

    What about taking the second game of a home & home from them?

    All this because I am going to the game and this is my wish list for tonight….

  56. HardHabits says:

    “We’re aware of the draft lottery and the thoughts people are having, but at the end of the day you’re still putting on the Habs jersey and you have to carry that with pride,” Price said. “I don’t think any player on this team is going out there playing to lose.”

    Bold words. Let’s see them put into practice next time the Habs are in a play-off series. Or better yet when the team gives you 3 goals to work with. Or perhaps when the team has a lead heading into the 3rd.

  57. New says:

    I like to think that being out of the playoff race has allowed the Canadiens to relax a little and consequently play better. That would explain Bourque as well. Without someone motivating him he is lazy.

    Then I suppose you could say that players are playing for the next contract or job. Except Cole, MaxPac, and Desharnais sort of negate that by playing consistently in the area where goals get scored from.

    Or you could say that some players are getting a look see. Their contracts are up for renewal or cutting. Those guys, about six of them, have to show they can play at the NHL level. The pressure is actually on them now.

    All I know is that since Markov started travelling with the team and playing everyone’s spirits seem to be up and the team is winning. Almost like a little leadership has arrived.

    There is no one in this draft who will arrive and have an immediate impact on the team. Last or 8th it doesn’t much matter.

  58. HabinBurlington says:

    He said he thought there might have been a war between Denmark and Sweden “in the 1800s, but I don’t hold a grudge.”

    Loved that line from Eller, very funny.

  59. HardHabits says:

    The Habs did what during their training camp? Did they prepare for the regular season or was it just a prolonged evaluation day at kiddy camp?

    Rather than come into the regular season well prepared and on a winning note the Habs stumbled early. Now all of a sudden it’s time to start winning?

    I really think the Habs need to get their priorities straight. This will not be the same team next season. There is no point in putting it all on the line now. If the start of the season wasn’t good enough to be firing on all pistons then why the end of the season when the only thing that isn’t lost is a high draft pick, something it appears the Habs are dead set on losing too.

    And people wonder why so many fans criticize management.

    • habs-fan-84 says:

      didn’t they play 6 games in 7 nights during the pre-season…? If so, please explain how you would’ve done things differently?

      Also, in the long run I really doubt there’s going to be much of a difference between a 3rd overall draft pick and 10th overall draft pick. One needs to look no further than Brad Marchand, Lucic, Subban, Halak etc. al.

      • HardHabits says:

        Nobody on your list was a 1st rounder. The difference between 3rd and 10th can be astronomical. Don’t kid yourself.

        I also thought earlier on that the Habs would finish between 18th and 23rd. That was before they sunk to 28th. Now I think 23rd is their highest possible finish. I’d still prefer a 3rd over-all pick to 8th.

        • habs-fan-84 says:

          “Nobody on your list was a 1st rounder.”
          That was my point.

          “I’d still prefer a 3rd over-all pick to 8th.”
          Well obviously, statistically the higher you pick the better chance you have of getting a future NHLer.

          However, if this team does end the year on a high note I’m not going to complain about it. Lots of young guys on the team could use the confidence boost as they head into the summer and contemplate how the year went and look ahead to next season.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I seem to recall there was a different Head Coach with a different philosophy at training camp. Perhaps the new coach was basically running training camp the first month and now has this finely tuned machine purring. 🙂

      • Habfan10912 says:

        Purring? I love it!
        @HH. I think players like Patches, DD, and Cole play to win no matter what thescoreboard or standings say. Guess they missed the tank memo. Hopefully, as they continue to screw up the teams draft pick, some of the players around them will pick up their work ethic and desire.

    • ont fan says:

      I think you answered you own question…this is not the team that will start next year..doesn’t matter who they put in the line up, they are auditioning for jobs somewhere…why would these players care about draft choices when they develop, they won’t be here.

    • savethepuck says:

      I’ll let Carey answer your question:

      “We’re aware of the draft lottery and the thoughts people are having, but at the end of the day you’re still putting on the Habs jersey and you have to carry that with pride,” Price said. “I don’t think any player on this team is going out there playing to lose.”

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        “at the end of the day you’re still putting on the Habs jersey”

        Someone should ask Carey what jersey they were putting on up until now?

        Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

        • JohnBellyful says:

          What I want to know is, how small a wardrobe does this guy have, and how late does he sleep in?

          • LafleurGuy says:

            Brings up a debate question, “Was it wrong for Hal Gil to dump on P.K. Subban when P.K. threw his jersey on the floor after practice? It was going to be laundered andway.”

            “May you live in interesting times.”

    • LafleurGuy says:

      The fans who believe they are more informed and skilled at these types of decisions anyway.

      “May you live in interesting times.”

  60. DorvalTony says:

    Kanata was amalgamated into Ottawa in 2001. The Senators play in Ottawa.


  61. HabFanSince72 says:

    René Bourque is a hero.

    He is not letting the pursuit of personal statistics get in the way of the good of the team.

    The team comes first for Bourque.

    That is what we mean by a team player.

    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • Cardiac says:

      Pure gold!

      “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
      – Jerry Maguire

  62. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …“I receive a few letters like that (tank), but it’s not in me and it’s not in our group to lay down or roll over,” coach Randy Cunneyworth said

    …it’s completely naive of Our Fans to think that either Cunneyworth or Our Players would lay-down to lose so We can draft high …Coaches and Players are NOT going to put that (intentional losing) on Their resumes

    …Our Players and Coaches do not ‘belong’ to the Montreal Canadiens (although We fantacize They do) …all of them are ‘rentals’, not ‘possessions’, no matter how much We wish it were different

    …it is Pierre Gauthier that has to advise Randy Cunneyworth that NOW !!! is the time to reduce the TOI of Our better Players, and significantly increase the outliers on Our Team and in Hamilton on the basis of ‘evaluation’ for next season

    …and, if Pierre is too dense to see the forest for the trees, then Geoff Molson should take the elevator ride down from His luxury suite and spell it out to Gauthier

    HIS’ Official Habs’ Fan Theme Song: Morrissey ‘There is a light that never goes out’ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjObvIQtsLk&feature=related

    Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY

  63. Ian Cobb says:

    The reason the Pen’s are so good is the fact that they were so bad for years. They got many first round draft picks for being at the bottom of the league and nearly bankrupt. Crosby, Malkin, Flury and more.
    This year it is our turn to draft early.! Timmonds will be on his game!

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I think also that the GM they have in Shero has done a great job of continuing to complement the team with sharp moves. His pickup of Neal was a very good example of this.

      Didn’t hurt that one of the key draft years was during the lockout and mysteriously the Penguins won the draft lottery again, that was a crucial time period for the Penguins financially and it benefitted both the league and Pittsburgh that they happen to win the Crosby lottery.

  64. Cal says:

    Pat Hickey writes that the Tankers are worried? Why? Habs are still 28th thanks to the laffs and the Canes winning last night. The best the Habs can hope for is 25th overall. Do we honestly think the Habs will beat Ottawa twice in a row? My head says no.
    Still, I’d love to see them play hard every game to the end and win their fair share.

    • HardHabits says:

      The Habs are 27th. That is the 4th pick minus the lottery shuffle. A few more wins, the way the Isles, Wild, Canes and Leafs are playing and the Habs are in 25th. There is no reason to assume they can’t pass the Ducks or Bolts either and end up 23rd.

      At any rate, I called that the Habs would finish between 23rd and 18th because I suspected that once the games didn’t matter they would play looser and not like losers.

      It means nothing for next season. If this team has proven anything in recent months, especially since their last play-off loss, it’s that when the games matter, they are hard pressed to win them.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Canes and Leafs both won last night right? If they keep playing like that then….. well you get the idea. 😉

      • New says:

        @HH “when the games matter, they are hard pressed to win them.” has almost been a team motto since Huet’s famous quote about the only thing wrong with the team was between the ears.

  65. Ian Cobb says:

    Mr. Boone!
    I read you every day, and learn much, but today I cannot get past this head line.
    What does (emphatically) mean???

  66. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …Stu Hackel picked out the YouTube music video called ‘Mr. Big Stuff’ on His cover of the Senators and Ben Bishop the other day …sounds like an excellent nic for Bishop, ‘Mr. Big Stuff …hoho
    …that’s a helpful suggestion for any bipolar Sens/Habs’ Fans that may be out there in HIOville …which I ain’t one, as I am a monogamous Habs Fan 🙂
    …BUT !!!, …once playoffs begin …though I likely will not follow religiously because My Habs sadly are not involved …yet, in answer to the current HIO poll, ‘Q: Will you be cheering for the Senators if they make the playoffs?’ …YES !!! I will …in fact I will cheer for what ever remaining Canadian team remains in the hunt
    …I can say that without reserve now that the Weeds are in the outhouse as well
    …would be quite acceptable to Me if either the Winnipeg Jets or Ottawa Senators, especially, have a chance as long-shot winners

    HIS’ Official Habs’ Fan Theme Song: Morrissey ‘There is a light that never goes out’ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjObvIQtsLk&feature=related

    Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY

  67. Habfan10912 says:

    Everybody in the league has trouble scoring except the Pens. They don’t need a ton of opportunities Like most other teams. It will take a monumental effort for anyone this side of Vancouver to beat them.
    Now the good news, the goons lost again last night. Perhaps the calls to Daddy are going ignored this year. Wouldn’t it be great if the goons fail to make the playoffs?

  68. Fansincebirth says:

    Is there any way to tell what jersey we’re going to be wearing tonight?

    Going to the game and I don’t want to clash 🙂

  69. The Dude says:

    Hey Cat,I guess you might call it respect for the best player in hockey and a little fear”going down in history for taking out Sidney is more of a Bruins thang”.In retrospect I wonder if Larry Robinson now would of taken a lil off the career altering hipcheck he killed a wobbled Bobby Orr with?

  70. secretdragonfly says:

    Has there been any update on Emelin’s status?

  71. The Cat says:

    I dont think the rangers even touched much less hit Crosby last night. I can understand it, but it makes me wonder about the integrity of the game. All Pitts had to do was give the puck to Crosby and he pretty much could have gone to the net unfettered.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Morning Cat. What I noticed more then the Rangers avoiding contact, was Sid avoiding contact. He normally doesn’t shy away from contact, but several times last night he went out of his way to avoid it. Who can blame him though. huh?

      • Captain aHab says:

        He won’t be able to do that all the time…he’ll play on instinct at some point and start getting contact and that’s where it’ll get dangerous for him.

        Avast, me proud beauty! Wanna know why my Roger is so Jolly?

      • HabinBurlington says:

        From what I saw I think both of you are right. Crosby forsure played with zero feistiness after the whistle, and the Rangers didnt give him much for big shots. Girardi got him pretty good once, i think.

      • The Cat says:

        Good morning habfan10912, no I dont blame him either.

        [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

    • Cal says:

      He was jostled a couple times, but I am sure he’s going to play like a scared rabbit. And I can’t blame him. One more hit and his career is probably toast.

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