Canadiens sign two Swedish draft picks; Emelin has surgery

Canadiens general manager Marc Bergevin announced the signings of two Swedish players on Tuesday: defenceman Magnus Nygren and forward Sebastian Collberg (photo above).

The club also announced that defenceman Alexei Emelin underwent successful reconstructive surgery on the ACL and MCL in his left knee and that his recovery is estimated at six months. Emelin suffered the injury when he collided with the Boston Bruins’ Milan Lucic in the first period of a game on April 6 at the Bell Centre. The surgery was delayed to allow the swelling in Emelin’s knee to go away.

Nygren, 22, was signed to a two-year contract after playing 51 games with Karlstad Farjestad in the Swedish elite league. He led all defencemen with 13 goals and had 32 points, to go along with a plus-11 and 49 penalty minutes and won the Salming Trophy as the league’s top defenceman. The 6-foot-1, 191-pounder was selected by the Canadiens in the fourth round (113th overall) at the 2011 NHL entry draft. 

Collberg, 19, signed a three-year contract after playing 35 games with the Frolunda Indians in the Swedish elite league, posting 6-3-9 totals with six penalty minutes. The 5-foot-11, 181-pound right-winger also played in 15 games with Orebro HK in Sweden’s HockeyAllsvenskan, posting 6-2-8 totals and two penalty minutes. He finished the season in Hamilton, playing two games with the AHL’s Bulldogs.

Collberg was also part of the Swedish team that won a silver medal at this year’s world junior championship, posting 4-2-6 totals in six games. He was selected by the Canadiens in the second round (33rd overall) at the 2012 NHL entry draft.

Financial terms of the contracts were not disclosed.

(Photo by Jamie Sabau/Getty Images)

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  5. revengfullsnowman says:

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    Gionta eller Gallagher
    Ryder/bourque Leblanc kristo
    Prust white Armstrong

    Georges p.k
    Markov emline
    Boullion tinodi


    Trade dd, bourque/ don’t singe ryder Moen and Diaz

  6. wildwilly says:

    Many are commenting on signing UFAs over the summer. I think the real bargain will be with players bought out of their contracts as part of the amnesty agreement. Do you think Lecavalier might get bought out? At 7 million a year, it is a horrible contract. If he was bought out, I’d sign him to a 3-year, $12 million contract.

  7. The Jackal says:

    Anderson, the stiff I told you all he is, has crapped the bed once more.
    He has sucked in every game this series but one.
    Are senaturds fans saying he should be traded because he sucks? Probably not, even though he does.

    Yet here in Hab town, Price is said to suck even though he was playing injured and was a victim of defensive collapse and terrible officiating. How does that work out?

    Clearly, Price is better than Anderson. Oh yeah and Vokoun has outplayed him thus far.

    Hockey sine stercore tauri.

    • gmur says:

      Couldn’t agree more… Anderson’s stats three years ago with the Avalanche were bad over 33 games. He had a Steve Penney hot streak against the Habs…

  8. frontenac1 says:

    Flouridation! Commie plot to weaken our precious bodily fluids.

  9. Habfan17 says:

    So, in looking at developing the young guys and building through the draft, here is a suggestion.

    On the UFA market, if they make it to market, sign either Fistric or Whitney. Both bring size and Fistric brings more moxy, 88 hits and ave toi of 15 mins. Then sign Barker for the 3rd pairing and depth to cover until Emelin is ready. He had 16 hits in 14 games and brings size and experience. probably a cheap signing.

    Up front, sign either Bickell or Stalberg for the 2nd line left wing. This would allow Bourque to move back to his natural right wing to replace Ryder. If possible, sign Clarkson, but then trade Gionta. The right side would look preety solid with Clarkson, Bourque, Gallagher and possibly Kristo or White. For 4th line centre sign Antropov. Some think this is not good, but he has experience, is 6’6″ and 245 lbs. He had 76 hits and would be great in front of the net on the 2nd pp.

    Then trade Gorges, Diaz, Weber and DD

    Patches, Pleks, Clarkson
    Bickell/Stalberg, Eller, Bourque
    Prust, Galchenyuk, Gallagher
    Moen, Antropov, Kristo/White
    Fistric/Whitney, Subban
    Markov, Barker
    Tinordi, Boullion


  10. Sportfan says:

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  11. Sportfan says:

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  12. Sportfan says:

    Can we some how steal Brooks Orpik?

    Also could Torts be out as coach if they get swept cause these Rangers are not responding well.

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  13. Habcouver says:

    AV is officially done in Vancouver. He’ll find work soon.

    Waiting patiently for #25

  14. Sportfan says:

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    • Habfan17 says:

      Now Vigneault will go work on L’antichambre for a year, then replace Therrien…lol


      • neumann103 says:

        We can only hope. From your lips to the Flying Spaghetti Monster’s noodly appendage.

        “Et le but!”

      • Habfan10912 says:

        That would make me happy as well but I think Vigneault will find another coaching position fairly quickly. New York? Buffalo? Colorado?
        I could very well be wrong as I thought Ruff would have been swept up by know as well. Maybe he lands in Vancouver?

    • Habcouver says:

      Really, Gillis should go. He didn’t give AV the players needed to get to the next level.

      Waiting patiently for #25

      • Sportfan says:

        I actually agree with you their Gillis should be the one who is in trouble not AV I mean if Gillis actually had a trade in place for Luongo then why not pull the freaking trigger?

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        • Habcouver says:

          Right on. And don’t think Lu hanging around it was a positive effect for Schneider’s psyche.

          Unfortunately, AV is the scapegoat but one can point the finger on many people.

          Waiting patiently for #25

        • Habcouver says:

          Right on. And don’t think Lu hanging around it was a positive effect for Schneider’s psyche.

          Unfortunately, AV is the scapegoat but one can point the finger on many people.

          Gillis has made many mistakes as GM. He’s stuck with many current players on LT no-trade contracts. Mucks can’t change that much in the next few years.

          Waiting patiently for #25

  15. HabFab says:

    TSN’s list of UFA’s… list is sortable by position;

  16. NL Hab says:

    Can someone please clarify to me which way the draft works. Some sites are saying we will be drafting 27th, because we finished 4th overall. However, where we got eliminated in the 1st round, as did Anaheim, I thought we were picking 21st. However, on another site today it said we would be picking 25th? I am very confused by this. Where are we picking in the 1st Round of the Draft.

    Et Le But

    • GrimJim says:

      It’s confusing because I think they changed the rules on draft order after the lockout. Here is the Hockey Operations guidelines page of
      By my reading there are four criteria. Non-playoff teams are ranked 1-14 based on regular season points and the lottery result. The Cup winner is ranked 30th. Those are the easy ones. The third criteria is playoff teams that weren’t first in their division and didn’t win the cup are ranked 15-23rd or 24th based on regular season points. Division winners are ranked either 24-29 or 25 through 29 based on regular season points. Clear as mud eh?

      • NL Hab says:

        Yeah really. I read an interview by Bergevin today and he said we were picking 25th. I was hoping it was a typo, but I guess not. So it looks like we will have the 25th, 34th and 36th picks. I would rather a higher 1st round pick, but we should get 3 good prospects with those picks. Plus we will have another late 2nd round pick and 2 more 3rd rounders.

        Et Le But

        • commandant says:

          We will draft 25th

          Unless one of Chicago/Pittsburgh loses this round. Then we draft 24th

          If they both lose we draft 23rd.

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          • HabFab says:

            Last year for sure but that doesn’t jive with the link to that Jim posted. Has me questioning if further changes occurred with the new CBA and the new Conferences / Divisions coming next season.

      • HabFab says:

        I have been trying to figure this out too. Last year the four finalist picked last, but that is not what those rules say.

    • Stimpy007 says:

      We will be drafting in the 21 spot.

      • commandant says:


        We will draft 25th

        Unless one of Chicago/Pittsburgh loses this round. Then we draft 24th

        If they both lose we draft 23rd.

        Teams that lose in the first round are treated the same as those who lose in the 2nd…. only the conference finalists are placed from 27-30.

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        • myron.selby says:

          Ben – usually you are bang on with this kind of stuff (and most of your analyses as well) but that isn’t what the nhl site says. By the sounds of it, as a division winner the Habs will be picking 27th.

          Unless there is something going on that isn’t readily apparent, we just dropped 2 draft slots.

          • habstrinifan says:

            I think I heard MB say the lowest we can draft is 25th. Think I did.
            If so Commandant is still batting 99.9%. Not perfect but close enough!

        • Stimpy007 says:

          hmmm so you cant go by what happened last year?

  17. Habfan10912 says:

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  18. commandant says:

    @Bwoar 5m a year for 3 years for Clarkson? Where do I sign?

    I do that today, tomorrow, and again next week.

    I think he’s gonna get 5.5 and 4-5 years. If not more.

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    • Habfan10912 says:

      I’m an old cheap fart perhaps, but there is NO way I’d pay Clarkson 5 million dollars a year.

    • NL Hab says:

      Yeah, I can see him getting that much as well. The UFA crop is very thin this year. The likes of Clarkson, Clowe and Ryder are going to hit the jackpot this year. Do you think the Habs go after Clarkson this summer? We do have cap flexibility with the Kaberle buyout, and next year, the only guys we have to sign would be Subban, Eller and Emelin. Gointas contract will be off the books, so that will free up more space for Subban. Chances are the Cap should be edging up closer to the $70M mark after next year. So I would like to see us make a run at Clarkson. If we can’t get him for 5.5M for 4-5 years, I’d say we go after Clowe for about 4.5 for 3-4 years.

      Et Le But

    • Strummer says:

      I’m not sure he’s $5 million player in a $64 million cap year.

      It sure isn’t like the pre-cap era when Sather gave Bobby Holik $9 million a year.

      “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

      • commandant says:

        He scored 30 goals his last full season in the NHL.

        He scored 17 in this 48 game season.

        He can fight with anyone.

        Its a weak crop.

        If Cole, Leino, were 4.5 on a 64 million cap… and Tim Conolly was 4.75 on a 64 million cap, and Grabovski was 5.5 on a 64 million cap, and Brooks Laich is 4.5 on a 64 million cap, with the lack of Free Agent scoring, he gets 5 easy. Especially when you add in his ability to scrap and be a top 6 player, something only 2 or 3 players in the NHL have.

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        Your 2013 NHL Draft Headquarters, Now Open.

    • bwoar says:

      Yeah, seems more than a few people see him cashing in upwards of 5M per. In that case, count me out. I’d rather find a 5M defenseman who can drop ’em in that case.


    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Don’t forget the extra 10% the Habs would have to pay. I think we’re talking $6M for 4-5 years.

  19. frontenac1 says:

    Quenville is starting to lose it. Did you see him yelling at Crawford on the bench last game? Toews whining to the press? Wtf?

    • Habsrule1 says:

      Funny thing is Crawford hasn’t been coaching in years and Quenneville is still screaming at the guy…!

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  20. Bill says:

    @Cardiac: if Vancouver hires The Count I will eat my shorts.

    After washing of course.

    Surely his time in the NHL is well past.

    • commandant says:

      I think Vancouver needs to replace vigneault with an uptempo coach, rather than a defensive one. Perhaps Lindy Ruff who seemed to do a great job of adjusting his team’s strategy to its personnel for a long time in Buffalo. With Briere/Drury/Roy/Afinogenov/Pominville/Vanek etc… they were fill tilt run and gun right after the lockout, were defensive with Hasek, became more defensive again til this year he lost the room after so long in charge.

      Go Habs Go!
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      • habstrinifan says:

        WOW! Now you are at the 100% plateau. Seriously though I agree period. Uptempo and young and with some pizzaz. Or they could turn the freakin applecart over and hire Guy Boucher… who may have ‘learnt his lessons and taken his licks’ weel enough that he actually will become a smart coach again.. rather than the “I know it all” caricature he turned into.

        Something tells me Guy Boucher will still fulfill his promise somewhere.

    • Cardiac says:

      If Torts is out in NY, there is a good chance they will pick up Lindy Ruff. I consider JM on a very short list of other candidates that include Boucher, Andy Murray and maybe even Ron Wilson. Look for Vancouver to get a veteran coach.

      “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
      – Jerry Maguire

    • habstrinifan says:

      No need to worry… JM will not coach in the NHL again. PG may one day be a GM again though because if you do a ledger ..PG’s moves were not all bad. His biggest mistake was the coach he had. But then again was Gainey who hired JM wasn’t it?

  21. Bill says:

    So Pekka Rinne just had hip surgery … Was just reading a link here yesterday about the strain the butterfly puts on goalies’ hips. I was wondering what was up with him this year, a .910 save % is well below his career average.

  22. Habsrule1 says:

    Sorry if this was discussed but how about Jagr asking to play in Montreal when he first came back to the NHL 3 years ago?
    His agent, Petr Svoboda confirmed he didn’t care about the money, and wanted to play in Montreal.

    Go Habs Go!!

    “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Wasn’t it confirmed by the contracts he signed as a UFA that indeed he did only care about the money? He is a mercenary, who used Montreal as a pawn in the bidding war for his services.

      • Habsrule1 says:

        No, not really. The Habs have not been interested. What was he supposed to do?
        His agent called the Habs before Jagr signed any of those contracts and the Habs said no thank you.
        I think he would have been a very good mentor for the likes of Galchenyuk.

        Go Habs Go!!

        “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Montreal was in the bidding war last summer for his services, at least that was the impression. And I am not sure that personality is a great mentor.

          Was he a great player? Yes. He no longer is a great player and I think he was a complete liar in his supposed Montreal B.S.

          • Habsrule1 says:

            The only fact is that his agent called the Habs and said Jagr wanted to play here…supposedly for a smaller amount of money.

            What you’re saying is speculation and what you think…which is fine.

            I still think he’d look good in a Habs jersey and could teach the kids a lot. That being said, he’s obviously past his prime.

            Go Habs Go!!

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    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Habsrule, your retelling of the Jaromir Jagr saga is inaccurate. Mr. Jagr has said whatever he needed to say, throughout his career, to justify his mercantile aspirations. If indeed his agent had called the Canadiens and offered his services at a discount, and hadn’t entered any back-channel discussions with any other team, and we could confirm this, then you could have this discussion, but if we’ve learned anything about Mr. Jagr, it’s that he absolutely can NOT be trusted with his word.

  23. Cardiac says:

    Did anyone else catch the rumor that if Vigneault is out in Vancouver, they would be looking at JM as a replacement?

    Your thoughts?

    “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
    – Jerry Maguire

  24. Maritime Ron says:

    bwoar asks:
    Anyone have the stomach to give Clarkson 5m / year?
    Just a hunch, but don’t be surprised if the winning club doesn’t go as high as $5.750/year.
    And as a 29 year old, he will want max term of 7 years and the only ace GMLL has an option for an 8 year contract as per new CBA rules
    Smells like a $34M-$40M total dollars over 6-8 years.

    As for his value moving forward, the guy scored 30 goals 2 years ago, and was on pace for 26 this year playing with Elias and Zubrus.
    He plays no PK, but most surely would want 1st Unit PP minutes as he had with Jersey.
    He is in your face and while far from a heavyweight, plays strong tough minutes.
    He lead the Devils and hits and many are tough, strong hits vs the smaller hits.

    Would the Habs offer him the $5M – which is only $1.5M more than Desharnais?
    Would the Toronto born Clarkson, who played all his junior and minor hockey in Ontario, and all his pro hockey in New Jersey (not far from Manhattan) even consider Montreal as a landing spot?

    In a perfect world, there would be some risk at $5M for 3-4 years. Anything more, and you move into the danger zone as we cannot assume the Salary Cap will move to $ 90M-$100M in 5 years.
    Then, would his hungry battle drive still be there at the age of 33-35?

    • Luke says:

      $5 M may only be $1.5 more than DD, but it’s $.5M less than Grabovski!

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Scott Hartnell has a new contract kicking in next year, 4.75caphit, 6million paid to him next year. He is higher talent, but similar style player.

      Part of me indeed wants to say yes to something near 5mill for Clarkson, but that may indeed be crazy money. Also, no way team can afford both Gionta and Clarkson in the 5million per range.

  25. veryhabby says:

    Will either of these 2 guys play in NA this year? Are they stuck in Sweden due to contracts or will they be coming here to play with the Bulldogs…and ya never know…the habs…this year?

  26. HabinBurlington says:

    I mentioned it early this morning, but does Torts system seem to be from the same notepad as JM’s was?

    • Cal says:

      I noticed Quenneville writing on his roster card, too. Does that make him incompetent, like JM?

      • florida habs says:

        no, he’s got Toews and company.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        I always thought Quennville to be an excellent coach, but don’t understand why he has his team playing such an overtly physical game against Detroit when I think Chicago as a whole can outskate them.

        • Cal says:

          He’s falling into the “we have to be the most physical team” trap. When he had Byfuglien in 2010, that wasn’t a problem. Now, though…

        • florida habs says:

          I thought DTW was putting on the muscle to get back into it, and maybe they felt they needed to respond. like it or not, hockey is always about trying to intimidate your opponent, also it is possible they see LA on the horizon and want to make sure they got there mad face on. this is why we need to evolve on this side of the game, we don’t scare anyone and skill takes you so far, beef puts you over the top..

      • kalevine says:

        hate to say it but JM is not looking so incompetent to me anymore
        Boring, maddingly so in fact. And when he used to say we play a puck possession game I could have hurled my TV set out the window. But if you look at the results, playoffs 2010, 2011 regular season and (almost) 2011 playoffs, you can’t argue with the fact that he got good results without a huge amount of talent. The way 2011-2012 started, we were expecting much better things, so he was fired perhaps before he should have been.

        Still and all, if he couldn’t win it all with Ottawa, I’d say he never will.

        • Chris says:

          His Ottawa teams pre-lockout were very much the victims of the NHL’s dead-puck era, a puck-possession team that the referees screwed over by a complete unwillingness to apply the rules of the game.

          The hooking, interference and sheer thuggery that was permitted by the referees in the Toronto-Ottawa series’ from 2000-2002 were black marks in the history of the NHL. Alexei Yashin might as well have worn a double-sized jersey so Shayne Corson could get in his jersey with him.

          Then they lost to the Devils (another clutch-and-grab team) in 2003, and the Leafs again in 2004. In 2006, they ran into a very good Buffalo team, and they lost in the Finals to a Ducks team that was outstanding.

          No shame on the part of Jacques Martin. He just got screwed by not quite strong enough goaltending and a league that was too busy shooting itself in the foot to recognize that a fast, skilled and defensively responsible team was routinely being gooned with impunity.

          His later incarnations in Florida and Montreal weren’t as impressive to me, as he seemed to adopt the “If you can’t beat ’em, join ’em” and he embraced boring, defensive hockey.

          • kalevine says:

            nice assessment – that was a dead puck era for me. I honestly don’t remember much from the 3 years Habs missed the playoffs. I think I wasn’t even following those years. I remember waking up in the 2002 playoffs though

    • florida habs says:

      I don’t get it either, they sign Nash and company then fall back into a defensive system. Too much talent there to do that but Torts must be lacking confidence, which would mean he is history. The team isn’t changing.

  27. florida habs says:

    Pens will dispatch the Bruins, they have the firepower, and speed, that the Rangers are lacking. The Habs speed was the reason we did pretty good against them this year.

  28. Habsfan888 says:

    Can anyone tell me if Trades are allowed during the playoffs or does everyone have to wait until the end of the playoffs.

    • kalevine says:

      trades were over as of the trade deadline. That applies to all teams whether in the playoffs or not. I am not sure when they can start trading again though. Maybe after final playoff game?

    • Habitforming says:

      There is a freeze until just before the draft. I think a week before, unless it has changed with a condensed schedule for this season.

    • Maritime Ron says:

      I may be wrong, yet there is no freeze on trades.
      Trades can be made after the trade deadline, but those traded players are not allowed to participate in the post season.

      Apart from that, there is little motivation for a team to trade during the playoffs and General Bettman would frown upon that.

      • Maritime Ron says:

        As mentioned and I may be wrong, I only noticed a CBA roster freeze where players cannot be traded from December 19th-27th located at Section 13:15 of the old CBA.

        If anyone does find another clause of a non-trading period throughout the year, please let me know

  29. kalevine says:

    so is anybody who wanted the Leafs to lose to the Bruins because they figured the B’s weren’t going anywhere now realizing the threat they are to take the Cup again. It’s 2011 all over again…oh the next opponent will take care of them…ok the one after. Problem is, when your fourth line is the only one converting and you still win the game, you can take anyone in the league. The Leafs were the 2011 Habs. They put enough scare into the Bs to wake them up after a pretty dismal late season and early playoffs.
    Don’t even count on the Pens getting to the next round. Ottawa still may have some magic to work…magic that will probably disappear in the semis against the Bs 🙁

    • GrosBill says:

      Not I. I started the year saying it would be a Pit Vs Bos ESF, and am not surprised to see it end up this way. The Bruins are legitimate contenders as much as it pains me to say. Play physical and though they may not have a Crosby up front, they roll four good lines. D is not too fast, but as these playoffs have shown, they have depth there as well. Throw a Rask who is playing well into the picture and you have a pretty solid team.

      I know they were close to getting put out by the Leafs, but that would have been a huge upset IMO and I am sure to many others as well (outside of CBC & TSN studios).

      The only difference to me this year is they will likely play better teams in the last two best of sevens than TB and VAN.

      Yes I was one actually kind of hoping for Bruins, but really, to me, it was win-win. Either way one of the two was guaranteed to not be advancing to the second round. The mannor in which the Bruins bounced the Leafs in the meltdown could only of been better if it was the habs who had done it.

      • kalevine says:

        I like your arguments, but again I see Ottawa being dismissed, and I repeat that they could beat Pitt, and, if they do, while they will have a lot of confidence, they will not be the formidable foe that Pitt would be

        • GrosBill says:

          I agree, Ott could, but I remain VERY skeptical that they can beat the Pens. Picked Pens in 6 in my pool. I was one who was not happy to draw the sens in the first round, people underestimated them all year.

          • kalevine says:

            yes, Ott was a scary wild card, but I don’t think Habs played well enough to beat any of the teams in the playoffs except maybe Vancouver 🙂

        • The Jackal says:

          No, OTT is terribad. They stick around because they are playing over their heads, they cannot go toe to toe with the best.
          They only won in the first round because we had too many injuries, and even so they needed all the advantageous calls and lucky bounces in the world to win.
          If the refs had done their job, the sens would be golfing.
          Granted, we would probably be joining them soon after but we are the better team.

          Hockey sine stercore tauri.

  30. Maksimir says:

    I’d love to see MB sign Fistric out of EDM – big young, stay at home defenseman.. if they let him walk that is. Born in Edm so he may want to stay there.

    [26 yrs. ago]
    Height 6.03 — Weight 234 — Shoots L

    I know we are stacked there but trade away Weber/Diaz/Gorges for picks.

  31. AH says:

    Man!, are we stacked with D prospects or what?! The clock is ticking on Diaz, Gorges and Weber being outta here, yes!!

  32. Luke says:

    @ Burly,
    Thanks for the 20 fans link. Good stuff.

  33. Steeltown Hab says:

    I’m not sure if anyone has touched on Burmistrov wanting out of Winnipeg yet.

    I don’t think there’s a better time to trade Desharnais at a point of strength than this.

    I’m sure they want someone who can contribute right away to help make the playoffs, they’re big enough to support him. DD’s stats make him look a lot more desirable than Burmi who was clearly rushed to the NHL and now wants out.

    Desharnais for Burmistrov + 2nd Round pick…….I’ve seen wilder deals happen.


    Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Emelin – @J_Perez22

  34. GrimJim says:

    TSN reporting that Burmistrov (an RFA) wants out of Winnipeg… let the idle speculation begin!

    • JIMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMY, where on earth have you been?

      Are you doing the Summit this fall?

      Shane Oliver
      Twitter @Sholi2000
      Custom Sports Figures
      Summit Member 00029.31

      • GrimJim says:

        I scan the posts most everyday but I’ve used up my funnier comments re Price-vs-not Price, goons v skill, Timo v a blue sky, etc. As for the Summit I want to but money is a little tight this year so I’ll have to scrimp and save, but I still have my ticket from last year.

  35. bwoar says:

    Anyone have the stomach to give Clarkson 5m / year?

    I gotta admit, I thought Prust was handed a pretty generous contract, but it turned out that he earned it on the ice. I don’t doubt Clarkson’s ability to score another 20+ goals. It seems like a big risk, and an overpayment, but hey – it also may work out just fine. So, anyone else willing to roll the dice on 5m / 3 years ?


    • I bet he gets 6 plus from someone else. Everyone sees his one time 30 goal season and boom, let the bidding begin.

      Shane Oliver
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    • AH says:

      Yes , I could stomach it. IMO with Clarkson and Prust in the line up we go up significantly in the “don’t mess with us” dept.

    • Habilis says:

      IMHO, no.

      Also, I think he’ll get even more than 5 mil. Toronto has tons of cap space this summer plus both their buyouts. My money is on them overpaying through the nose for Clarkson.

    • ebk says:

      no, thanks. Would rather have Ryan Clowe at that type of money and I don’t think I’d give Clowe $5m/year. Bickell, Stahlberg and guys like that will be way cheaper and might out produce Clarkson.

      But like you say, Prust worked out so far, so you never know.

      • Chris says:

        Bickell would be my #1 target. I would even offer to trade for his negotiating rights (Weber?) after the playoffs because I just can’t see the Blackhawks being able to keep him with their salary cap issues.

        They’ve got $2M in cap space and a lot of guys or their replacements to sign. The alternative is that they are going to have to deal one of their four $5M forwards…I don’t think any team with Keith and Seabrook on the blueline (each pulling down over $5M) can afford four expensive forwards with the new cap.

        • ebk says:

          Agree, think Bickell would be a huge addition to the team. He skates well and is a monster. Chicago certainly can’t afford both him and Stalberg going forward unless they do a buyout or two. I like Niklas Hjalmarsson as well, he’s got one year left and he’s reasonable priced for a steady Dman.

          • Chris says:

            Hjalmarsson was much maligned in the first year of his new deal, but he’s been steady ever since. Be interesting to see what he goes for on the next one. He never developed offensively the way they thought after his first deal, but he’s also been stuck behind Keith and Seabrook for much of that time.

    • adamkennelly says:

      HELL NO on Clarkson. perfect timing for this guy to cash in but he is no where near that good. if he breaks 20 goals again I’d be surprised. We have Prust – we need some full on tough guys to force opponents to respect our team and let our skilled guys do their jobs without getting smacked around constantly. addition by subtraction as well – if we rid ourselves of some of our little guys – things will improve. Forget Clarkson.

      I’d go hard after Matt Martin (I know this requires a trade) – sign Bordeleau and target a sizable D-man with a mean streak.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      5M/3yrs I could handle provided someone like DD is moved or worst case Gionta to clear some space. Would then be hopeful Kristo can make squad with his affordable ELC.

    • florida habs says:


  36. The Jackal says:

    Quick question
    Was anyone else not able to load this website for a bit yesterday and this morning?

    Hockey sine stercore tauri.

  37. frontenac1 says:

    Hola Amigos! Homeboy Big Andy Sutton announced his retirement yesterday after 16 NHL seasons. All the best Andy!

  38. 123456 says:

    thoughts on the sabres signing john scott – we all want the habs to get better…but how about a guy who will play 50%-75% of games and not score a goal??

  39. Sportfan says:

    Our Prospect depth chart is getting huge and it also puts other guys in a bigger pressure cooker.

    Sports and Entertainment in the link click and enjoy, clicking is fun!

  40. The Dude says:

    So once again on this site the populate viewpoints are bending and now stating a team of medium sized athlete’s can do the job and win the Cup….lets be clear here,Timmions has a habit of Drafting Hobbits and it must stop! As well this is a site for viewpoints and not only ‘SHEEP-EL’,SO FN demand bigger Athlete’s ,stop wavering”It be nice if we won a Stanley Cup before we all Died!” Our Team need more ‘SIZE’ to compete in our Division and League…’WAKE -UP!’

  41. commandant says:

    Lucic won’t fight Bordeleau (a 6 minute guy on the 29th place team). He’s a first liner and has been instructed not to fight fourth liners in close games. The number of times he fights a guy like this is rare.

    Do we forget Laraque chasing him around the ice, and Lucic refusing to fight, and the Bruins sending Shawn Thornton to fight Laraque instead?

    Julien’s no dummy, as long as the score is close he doesn’t want to trade his first liner for a fourth liner for 5 minutes.

    Get someone who is tough and can play the game. Priority one is David Clarkson, but 30 teams want him… still thats the type that you need. Maybe Bickell would be an option. There are some others but the numbers are few.

    The guy has to at least be able to skate with top lines, and play defence ala Prust.

    Go Habs Go!
    Your 2013 NHL Draft Headquarters, Now Open.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      All 100% true. What Laraque didn’t do was his job. If they wanted to send a message you don’t give Lucic the option and take an extra ten and the game. This is similar to what Ottawa did against the rangers in the playoffs last year and it really sent a message back to the Rangers that they couldn’t take runs at their best players without push back. They still lost the series but the series got a lot closer after that happened

      Laraque wasn’t paid 1.5 million dollars to score goals he was there to hit and grind and fight. He was a big waste of money

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

      • Habfan17 says:

        Agreed, great points! The Habs need an Odelein type on defense and a bigger version of Nilan up front. When I see Gallagher smile at the other team’s defence that try knock him down only to have him pop up, I remember that Odelein smile. I think that messed with players more than his hits or fights


    • Habfan17 says:

      Lucic won’t fight anybody in his weight class, unless he jumps him from behind and suckers him. The only time he fights guys his size or bigger is when they are non-fighters and rookies and even then he usually takes the cowardly route and suckers them


    • Hobie Hansen says:

      Agreed 100%.

      However, there have been several times over the past few years, Chara being the most notable, where somebody on the Habs should have started throwing punches first and asking questions later, regardless if the guy fights back or not.

    • Chwinsy says:

      I know it was a typo but I love the image of Lucic refusing to fight Laraque so Julien sends Thornton after Lucic!

    • knob says:

      no but this said guy can start beating on Seguin or Krejce to send a message. Best part is that the guy is a 6 min player so no one will miss him when he gets kicked out of the game

    • Habfan17 says:

      Bickell would be nice, although I would also take Stalberg and if Chicago can keep either one, I would expect they’d sign Bickell. Either way, the Habs could then move Bourque back to his natural right side where he scores more to replace Ryder. Unless they will trade Gionta, that would leave Bourque, Gionta, Gallagher and ? on the right side with Patches, Stalberg/Bickell, Prust and Moen….for now on the left. Better than last season in my opinion.


      • Stimpy007 says:

        Bickell would be fantastic actually. It will be tough to get him from Chicago.

        Clarkson will be expensive tho. If we could ditch Gionta then it would work.

        I’d take either of both in a heartbeat.

        Also, Stalberg is a cool player, Awesome skater!

    • Stimpy007 says:

      You wont find that right now. I’m saying grab bordeleau (regardless of Colorado’s record???) and these dinks cant take shots at our skill guys.

      Buffalo: Scott
      Boston: Thornton
      Toronto: McLaren, Orr
      Ottawa: Kassian

      At min. he could play against these guys and win a mental toughness battle for the team.

    • florida habs says:

      I like Bickell, has a nice nasty side that we need

  42. Propwash says:

    Boil water advisory for pretty much the entire city of Montreal in effect everyone!


  43. Lafleurguy says:

    Since the 2005 lockout, the Habs best defencemen have been home-grown. Pre-2005, Sheldon Souray was a fantastic trade acquistion. Since, we have seen the likes of Mark Streit(home-grown) Janne Niinimaa, Patrice Brisebois on a second tour of duty, Patrick Traverse, Alexandre Picard, Hal Gill, Jaroslav Spacek, Roman Hamrlik (the best of the bunch), Brent Sopel, Paul Mara, and maybe Jeff Woywitka pass through. The Sharks starting six D-men are 36, 34, 33, 26, 26, and 25 years old. All of Subban, Tinordi, Beaulieu are much younger. With the pervasive impact of the salary cap, it looks like the best that can be done via free agency, and 2mill is a no. 5 or 6 D-man. The only other route is a big trade.

    “May you live in interesting times.”

  44. Chris says:

    Speaking of the Oilers, Todd Marchant could have played for any team I was coaching.

    And to the Size Fetishists out there, Marchant was 5’10”, 175 pounds and one of the toughest forwards to play against in recent memory. He just worked so bloody hard, and he had a pretty high pain threshold.

    • Cal says:

      He was a very quick skater. However, these days, he’d spend a lot of time like Gallagher. Getting up after being pounded down yet again. Pain threshold doesn’t mean much against a solid Dman outweighing you by 50 + lbs.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Plenty of good players out there that are deemed “undersized”. But there is nothing wrong with hoping the Habs become a little bigger at forward and the blueline. Even if it isn’t a 6’4″ Dman, but rather a dman big enough to be abrasive in his own end.

      I know I am probably guilty of being a Pricebot, I fear I can now also be labelled a Size Fetishist for wishing our team could include a little more of what most teams left in playoffs have for grittiness.

      • Lafleurguy says:

        MB sacrificed size in trading away Erik Cole, but the two benefits, salary cap room and a 3rd round pick were well worth it. Cole was a Gauthier maneuver to gain size among the team’s forwards. Bergevin has yet to implement such a move. (Prust was a great signing, but did not improve the size factor, and Armstrong is a good player who is too damaged).

        “May you live in interesting times.”

        • Hobie Hansen says:

          The tradeoff Ryder/Cole was well worth it for the reasons yous stated. Plus Cole was beginning to tail off.

          But I think you’re wrong about size having anything to do with Prust. He’ll go through a wall to get to a lose puck.

          If you’re 6′ like Prust is, I believe, and willing to throw your body around and do whatever it takes you’ll be fine against guys that are a few inches taller.

          Same goes for Gallagher.

          It’s the guys like Gionta, Desharnais, Diaz and so on, that are the problem.

          • Lafleurguy says:

            Prust is almost one of a kind in great qualities and if he were bigger, he would be making close to Lucic’s salary. They both had about 5 goals in the regular season, and Prust had a bad shoulder for most of the (1/2)year.

            “May you live in interesting times.”

      • Chris says:

        You need a willingness to contest every inch of the ice. Montreal has too many guys that are unwilling to fight for the puck when they don’t have it.

        And some of the biggest offenders are those guys with size (Pacioretty, Moen, Eller, etc.).

        I am firmly against picking up someone like Penner because he is slow, expensive and not particularly skilled.

        I would love if the Habs could add a player with the size, talent and toughness of Milan Lucic (minus the idiocy, of course), but those guys are the rarest breed in the NHL.

        Montreal’s already added some size under Gauthier, and I expect that Bergevin will add a bit more:

        Rene Bourque – 6’2″, 213 pounds
        Lars Eller – 6’2″, 209 pounds
        Max Pacioretty – 6’2″, 218 pounds
        Brandon Prust – 6’2″, 195 pounds
        Alex Galchenyuk – 6’2″, 205 pounds
        Alexei Emelin – 6’2″, 219 pounds
        P.K. Subban – 6’0″, 216 pounds
        Jarred Tinordi – 6’6″, 218 pounds (that was his Bulldogs numbers, which I think are more up to date than his Habs number of 205 pounds)

        All those guys have been added or become regulars in the past two-three seasons. All except Prust should be top-6 forwards or top-4 defencemen within a couple of seasons. That is a great start.

        Gionta will be gone by the end of next season, and I suspect that Desharnais will be dealt next year or the following year to make space for Galchenyuk and Eller, who seem to have more of a future with the team.

        So patience is necessary. Big, talented players aren’t easy to find, so we’ve got to let the ones we’ve got develop the way all the teams we drool over had to do.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      A couple small guys are fine, Habs have too many.

      The thing I remember most about Marchant was that goal where he flew down the wing and cut in on the backhand, switched to the forehand and put her home against the Dallas Stars. I think it was an OT goal or late in the 3rd. He was absolutely flying! He was an Oiler at the time.

      **Just took a look at the highlight on youtube. And man, Curtis Joseph was incredible for the Oilers back then as well, wow!

  45. Chuck says:

    The Kings got screwed last night. How was that puck out of sight long enough to warrant the referee blowing the whistle? And why can’t a referee admit that he’s made a mistake, since the puck was clearly available for play as it had enough momentum to get across the goal line?

    I just can’t figure these zebras out.

    Anyone but the Sens! And Boston. Oh, and the Laffs, too.

    • Chris says:

      What are they supposed to do? I’m sure that they would admit they made a mistake. They admit these things to the players far more often than we believe.

      But once the whistle is blown, they can’t unblow it. Players are taught to play to the whistle, so you can’t call it a goal after blowing the whistle, because the goalie might give up trying, or the defencemen might no longer fight to get to the puck.

      It was a mistake, and a pretty bad one, but it is over.

      • Red says:

        They can’t call it a goal after whistle? Remember this…

        • twilighthours says:

          I love it. Whistle went as the puck was still on the line. Perfect example of the inconsistent (consistently bad) officiating in the NHL.

          I know it is a tough job. A really tough job. But the guys in stripes need to be better. And if they can’t be better, then put systems in place (like coach’s challenge, whatever) so that the job can be done right.

      • The Jackal says:

        Admitting their incompetence to the fans and the teams would be a good start
        The reffing has screwed up so many games this post-season, it’s unbelievable.
        Are these incompetents not accountable? Do they just get paid 6 figures to skate around for 60 minutes, travel all expenses paid, and have a pretty sweet job all around, while also not being held responsible for their routine screw-ups?

        The reffing is so bad in the NHL, they need a better and more effective framework for enforcing the rules and for accountability/redress.

        Hockey sine stercore tauri.

        • Chris says:

          The reffing in the NHL is not bad. Believe me…I watch a lot of junior hockey, international hockey and even university hockey.

          The NHL referees really are the best, in general. The problem is that the game is incredibly difficult to referee. Blow the whistle too early, as was done last night, and fans are on their back for that one time out of 200 where it costs a goal.

          Blow it too late and the fans are on their back for that one time out of 50 where the goalie gets up livid after having the covered puck dislodged for a goal. I can think of a couple this year where Price had every right to be upset.

          Consistency would be nice, but when they make a mistake on a slow or fast whistle, or bite on a dive, they are more likely to err the other way to make up for their previous gaffe.

          • The Jackal says:

            They may be the “best” available but the issue of consistency still remains.
            The fact remains that too many penalties go uncalled and that is a big problem that affects the game negatively.
            More consistency, accountability, and perhaps even a revision of the rules would help.

            Hockey sine stercore tauri.

    • Habitforming says:

      They made up for it at the end of the game and allowed the Kings to whack away at Miemi’s pads for a good 3-4 seconds to try and dislodge the puck. There is zero consistency this year.

    • Small_Town_Boy says:

      The NBHL is corrupt, fixed, predetermined.

      That goal Ottawa was given in game three turned me off!

      Dat’s wha me tinks

  46. HabinBurlington says:

    Jimmy Kimmel with an interview people in Toronto may be interested in.

  47. Strummer says:

    So far in the McDonagh/Gomez affair each team has made a conference final.


    “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

  48. Stimpy007 says:

    Here is our answer to Lucic!


    Send Moen for his rights and get him signed.

    • Strummer says:

      A six minute guy on a last place team?

      “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

      • Cal says:

        Yes, but he looks tough! 😉

      • Stimpy007 says:

        Why not? Moen, Armstrong need to go! He should atleast be in the organization.

        Whats the harm.

        When you play the Leafs/Sens/Bruins. Which is quite often.

        All i’m saying is they should grab a hometown tough guy. Perfect chance to grab him too. He’s UFA

        • Cal says:

          Sounds good. by the way, where’s Ren?

        • bwoar says:

          He ain’t much of a hockey player (though I did actually see him score a goal this past year). Still, it would be wise to sign at least one guy like this, and being a hometown player, why not?


          • Stimpy007 says:

            Exactly! I’m sick of getting pushed around by these goofs and their fans! This would be a cheap way of starting to handle this situation.

            I’m not saying get a bunch of knuckleheads to fill the roster but this guy would be a BIG difference next year!

            Thanks Tips!! If our players dont get the sh*t beat out of them then their fans shut their yips! You guys are sharp eh? sheez

            I dont get pushed around but its pretty sh*tty when our whole line gets thrown around! You guys apparently missed that and bourque taking one in the mouth from Maclaren and Prust having to go at Lucic. Should I go on??? Are you getting the picture here?

          • Mattyleg says:

            Well, that’s it right there, isn’t it?
            Sick of being pushed around by their fans.

            This guy isn’t going to come in and beat people up to make you feel like a tough guy, you know…

            Kinda sad, really.

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • twilighthours says:

            I also loved that. Pushed around by their fans. Amazing.

          • punkster says:

            Heh…send him into the stands to silence those critics.

            ***SUBBANGIN’ NOW BABY!!!***

    • thebonscott says:



  49. habs-fan-84 says:

    Once Torts is inevitably fired I doubt he finds a job in the NHL anytime soon.

    He won a cup with the following:

    -St. Louis in his prime
    -Lecavalier in his prime
    -Richards in his prime
    -Khabibulin in his prime (recording 5 shutouts during that run)

    Sometimes sports teams win championships despite their coach. I find Torts highly entertaining, but I don’t think he’s a particularly good coach.

    Aside from his current boss, I’m not sure which GM would stick his neck out and hire him; especially when Lindy Ruff is sitting on the sidelines and guys like Dallas Eakins (yes I know he’s still under contract and also know the Marlies were eliminated last night in somewhat dramatic fashion) are waiting in the wings.

    • Ali says:

      Can you not say that about any coach? Julien won when Chara was the best dman in the world, Thomas was the best goalie in the nhl, and he had the toughest team in the league.

      Darryl Sutter won when Jonathan Quick was the best goalie of the league, Anze Kopitar, Drew Doughty, Dustin Brown etc are all in their prime.

    • bwoar says:

      Winnipeg would probably offer him a job. Management here isn’t sold on Noel. But I’m not sure Torts wouldn’t rather work for TSN than winter in the ‘Peg, especially coming from the Big Apple. The guy seems to need to be on camera telling people off to enjoy himself.


      • HabinBurlington says:

        Hey bwoar, don’t you think the next coach in Wpg. will be Hawerchuk?

        • HabsWin-nipeg says:

          More likely Vigneault if the Canucks fire him.

        • bwoar says:

          Well AV just got the sack in VAN, so…

          For Ducky, well, I wanna see how Schiefele pans out before taking anymore of his advice. I have a short fuse for Winnipeg coaching, (and management in general) having put up with so many useless stiffs over the years during Jets 1.0. Not impressed by Noel, still less so by Cheveldayoff building the Calgary Leafs 2.0 (f–k!!!!)

          So far I guess we need to stay patient. I wouldn’t count Ducky out of the picture, nor Noel just yet, and I don’t agree with the media consensus on Vigneault either – so for now I guess I gotta stick with status quo and if Hawerchuk comes in at some point, great. I’d like to see him work up the coaching ranks though. I can’t speak to his coaching skills at all, so, kind of an X-factor for me to date.


    • Habitforming says:

      I’ll go a step further and say he didn’t actually win the cup and Calgary got hosed out of an obvious goal in game 6. A game that would have clinched the cup for the flames.

  50. Lafleurguy says:

    Reminder of just a few blown calls this year, Zibanejad’s kicked in goal, Matt Duchene off-side by six feet before scoring against Preds, and very early on, Andre Benoit’s disallowed goal against the Habs when the Habs beat the Sens 2-1 on goals by David Desharnais and Erik Cole.

    “May you live in interesting times.”

    • Marc10 says:

      Good point. It’s crazy right? How is that even possible in this day and age? Even rugby with its questionable tries on just about every score manages to get most right…

  51. chemic says:

    it seems in north america that critism towards the refs in public media is a no-go when it comes to a recap of the game where a call is completly blow. why?

    i mean its just the report of the things how they are, its not unfair. in other situations everyone gets ripped, players, goaltenders, coaches but when it comes to refs its all good, these guys are only humans and stuff like this. i dont get it!

  52. Habfan17 says:

    I am happy to see that Bergevin is signing the picks and that he has the infrastructure to develop them now. Hopefully Bozon will be ready to step in once Bourque is on his way out.

    A solid draft this summer and a couple of key UFA signings to fill holes and maybe a trade or two and the Habs should be well on their way.

    The Oilers need more experience on the backend. The Bleacher report says that the Oilers may trade Gagner to get a blue liner. If they would take Gorges. Weber,Diaz and Holland for Gagner, Paajarvi and a 3rd round pick this season, I would do it. If Gagner could play right wing. I know he isn’t the big tough winger, but he has speed and skill to burn. Paajarvi has speed skill and size. Then Bergevin could trade DD and a pick to move up in the draft or get an extra pick. This would also be long term as Gagner has 6 years NHl experience and is 23 and Paajarvi is 22
    Patches, Pleks Gagner
    Paajarvi, Eller, Gallagher
    Prust Galchenyuk, Kristo
    Moen, UFA/Bournival, White/UFA

    Markov, UFA/Emelin
    Whitney, Subban
    Tinordi, Boullion

    • Chris says:

      The “Edmonton needs blue-liners” thing is a bit over-done.

      Right now, the Oilers blue-line is:

      Ladislav Smid (27 years old, 457 GP)
      Jeff Petry (25 years old, 156 GP)
      Justin Schultz (22 years old, 48 GP)
      Nick Schultz (30 years old, 871 GP)
      Corey Potter (29 years old, 104 GP)

      They have 3 UFA defencemen, of which I’m pretty sure they will be trying to keep at least one (probably Fistric):

      Ryan Whitney (30 years old, 474 GP)
      Mark Fistric (26 years old, 282 GP)
      Andy Sutton (38 years old, 676 GP)

      They also have one of the best groups of defencemen prospects in the NHL, with many looking poised to make the jump:

      Oskar Klefbom (19 years old) (6’3″, 204 pounds)
      Martin Marincin (21 years old) (6’5″, 196 pounds)
      David Musil (20 years old) (6’3″, 196 pounds)
      Martin Gernat (20 years old) (6’5″, 187 pounds)
      Colton Teubert (23 years old) (6’4″, 195 pounds)
      Alex Plante (24 years old) (6’4″, 230 pounds)

      Note that their defencemen are generally huge, but all need to fill out their frame (I suspect the weights will generally spike quite a bit, as many of these guys have spent a year in the AHL and have been told to bulk up). That has been why the Oilers have continued to flounder. They drafted the kind of defencemen that Habs fans are drooling about, but you generally have to wait for these big kids to grow into their bodies.

      The Oilers want blue-line help, but they want a top-4 defenceman to replace Ryan Whitney (if they don’t re-sign him) with some offensive flair to take some of the load off of Justin Schultz. Nick Schultz and Ladislav Smid are good stay-at-home types, and Petry is a good all-around defenceman. The Oilers aren’t dealing any of those young, talented forwards (and certainly not two of them!) for anything less than one of the stud defencemen in the NHL.

      The only guy on Montreal’s blue-line that would interest them enough to part with one of their young stars is Subban. If you’re offering Gorges, or some package with Weber and/or Diaz, you’re talking more about a guy like Hemsky.

      The Oilers have no room in their system for guys to develop.

      • ebk says:

        OK, let’s try the ‘Edmonton Oilers need good blue-liners’ angle 🙂

        See them to often out here. Their idea of team defense, reminds me of pond hockey, where there is a gentleman’s agreement that if you won’t back check, neither will I.

        • Chris says:

          I think their blue-liners are generally okay. But the team defense thing is their Achilles heel. Their forwards want to free-wheel. Call it a bad case of Capitalitis. In that context, I actually think Craig MacTavish could be a good hire. The kids have had their fun, now they are going to be expected to start working all over the ice.

          If they’re shopping for a defenceman, I truly believe it is a Kimmo Timonen type, a top pairing guy who can log big minutes in all situations and who can provide some leadership. Josh Gorges, Raphael Diaz and/or Yannick Weber are really not what the Oilers need.

          Every GM in the NHL is looking at those kids on the Oilers and wondering what it would take to pry some of them away. I just don’t think the Habs have much in the way of tradeable assets, because we don’t want to give away Pacioretty, Subban, or Price.

          • ebk says:

            Kimmo would be a great addition for the Habs as well. Pair him with Subban and you might just have the top pairing in the league.
            and ringa ding ding, you might just have a winner!

          • Chris says:

            I love Timonen. Unfortunately, he’s getting pretty long in the tooth and has already stated that he’s going to retire (“99.9% sure”) after next season.

            But he would have been a perfect complement to Subban.

            Kronwall would look pretty fine in that role too, but there is no chance of freeing him from the Red Wings.

      • Habfan17 says:

        That is the fun of this, we all have our opinions and in most cases we will never know. Just like we don’t know exactly what the Oilers would want or if Bergevin would even consider it.


  53. commandant says:

    Today we have Justin Bailey of the Kitchener Rangers. A big forward who can play C or RW and has a hell of a shot.

    Go Habs Go!
    Your 2013 NHL Draft Headquarters, Now Open.

  54. Mattyleg says:

    If you haven’t seen the 20 Types of Depressed Sports Fans posted below by Burly, you have to.

    This should be added to the HI/O Canon.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Habfan10912 says:

      What number is Nuna?

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I think many nights when watching game and keeping an eye on the LiveBlog, many of us display Superstitious Fan.

      4. The Superstitious Fan

      This fan is not one to passively sit by while the game goes bad. He has a plan, and that plan will save the day as long as everyone just does what they’re told.

      He will usually start off simple. Expect to be ordered to switch seats. Food items will be banished from the room. Alternate jerseys may be assigned. Furniture will almost definitely be moved around. If the game is available on another channel, expect to end up watching that even if it’s being broadcast in a language you do not understand.

      As the situation deteriorates, the Superstitious Fan will come up with increasingly complicated ways to turn the fortunes around. This could involve group meditation, ritualistic chanting, or setting something on fire. Just go with it. Look, do you want to win or not?

      An important note: Do not question Superstitious Fans. They have a lot on their mind, and they certainly don’t need to be bothered with a lot of silly queries like “Why are we doing this?” and “Have you lost your mind?” and “Didn’t you have a beard five minutes ago?” and “Wait, why does my spouse have to watch the rest of the game from the fire escape?”

  55. Lafleurguy says:

    Not a puzzling move in hindsight for Wilson to pawn off a damaged pending UFA Ryane Clowe to Sather, but it is puzzling that he traded away Doug Murray to Shero, now that it appears the Sharks are serious contenders. They smoked the Canucks and are keeping up with the Kings.

    “May you live in interesting times.”

  56. nunacanadien says:

    Gee, we got rid of Gomez and now we got the younger Swedish Gomez? I thought the habs were going to go with a bigger tougher team? At this rate the habs will be smaller than when Gainey started his smurf experiement.

  57. Maritime Ron says:

    Well, it looks like “Leaf Choke-itis” is now funnelling its way down to the Marlies.

    In Game 6 of their playoff game last night, the Marlies were leading 3-1 with less than 10 minutes left in the game.
    Grand Rapids then scores 2 goals in 28 seconds at the 10:04 and 10:32 mark to tie the game.
    At the 15:57 mark, GR scores the eventual winning goal and it’s goodbye Marlies.
    Long term scars everywhere in that org.
    No lead will ever be safe again, especially with poke check Phaneuf.

  58. wjc says:

    New York down 3 games to zero. Lundgvist is clearly the blame, he cannot win the big ones. He chokes, he wilts under pressure. Feel free to add more blame. (tongue clearly in cheek) trying not to snicker.

    This is the treatment ‘Price’ usually gets. So pile it on boys and girls.


    • Habfan10912 says:

      It does happen to the King in NY as well but not this time. Torts appears to be the man with the bulls-eye on his shirt.
      I do agree that many fans point to Price as he appears to be the easiest target and is the last line of defense.
      One thing I’ve noticed more and more is how easy it is for the Bruins to get to good scoring areas. That seems to happen a lot against us as well. When folks talk about size and toughness I hope they mean that our boys get players that are able to go to those areas and to keep the opponents out of those areas. For me that’s my main area of concern.

    • alfieturcotte says:

      Uhhm, yeah I see the similarity. One goalie has a .935 Save % while the other has a .894 Save % in the playoffs. Yeah, I’d say you can safely blame one over the other. Lundqvist allowed 2 goals the entire game, not 2 per period (a la Price, no tongue in cheek). If you can’t see the difference between the two, dust off those ol high school math books and figure out how to calculate GAA and Save % then you’ll get it.

      • Strummer says:

        You’re right Alfie it’s apples and oranges.

        “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

      • hantho says:

        Maybe lundqvist should just hold up a sign with.935 save% written on it, probably stop the bruins right in there tracks.

        • alfieturcotte says:

          Hard to pin the blame on a goalie who posts a .935%, certainly easy to do so when another goalie is <.900. Simple math.

          • hantho says:

            If it were Price you would find a way.

          • alfieturcotte says:

            Actually, if Price put up those numbers consistently, I wouldn’t. I’d even say he would be worth close to the absurd salary MB awarded to him. Sadly however, Pricey’s stats don’t even come close.

          • hantho says:

            Yes simple math rangers 0 wins bruins three. Clearly math does not win hockey games.
            Have a nice day

        • Strummer says:

          maybe the $19 million line could put a few behind Rask?

          “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

      • wjc says:

        Defensemen, play a part in those numbers, would you disagree?


    • Strummer says:

      How about Brian Boyle going 4 for 21 in the face-off circle or
      Torts sending out Derick Brassard to lose a key defensive zone face off to Shawn Thornton that led to the winning goal

      “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

  59. wjc says:

    L.A. and San Jose….Puck was almost to the goal line when ref blew the whistle. Ref lost sight of the puck and blew whistle. If you watch replay with an open mind you will hear the whistle go before it went in.

    Ref thought goaltender had puck under him. Bad break, but whistle went before puck got to goal line… a nano second


    • HabinBurlington says:

      No one is doubting the whistle blew before puck crossed, no one is doubting that ref lost sight of puck. What everyone is doubting is why the heck the ref didn’t skate 4 feet towards the goalie to see that the puck never actually stopped moving in order to draw a whistle.

      It was a bad call, a quick whistle with no justification for such a mistake except that the ref was lazy and didn’t work on the play. Just like the players, the refs need to work hard as well.

      • wjc says:

        Fast game, 99 times out of 100 that is a routine call. Quick whistle, perhaps, but you people expect perfection from refs. Nobody is perfect.

        You could say ref blew the call (no pun intended) but it happens a 1000 times in a season and it is usually the correct call, that no one gives a second thought to.

        How come refs are never give the benefit of the doubt. Saying he should have skated in 4 more feet could mean someone would say in another incidence that he was too slow to blow it dead.

        It is a judgement call and stuff happens.


        • HabinBurlington says:

          I love how you always choose to lecture everyone on how things occur, like perhaps none of us could be intelligent enough to figure out. So let me get this straight, your telling me the refs are not perfect? I am going to need to sit down for awhile and let this sink in…..

          • Cal says:

            And you bother because? 😉
            Oh no! Another lecture on how the world works by wun junior clucker. HIO needs an ignore button.

          • wjc says:

            Why are you so easily offended. You express an opinion and that is okay. I counter that opinion and you call it lecturing.

            Try to get a grip!


          • HabinBurlington says:

            Not offended here w, just amazed at how you can usually scroll through an entire thread and find fault with virtually every post any given day. I usually just follow my gut and ignore, perhaps i would have been better served to have done so today. An example of this is how 24cups (a very respected poster with no axe to grind with anyone that I have ever seen), he simply posts a youtube clip of a blown call and somehow you link this to him hating Gomez so much. It is a gift you have, that you can read so much into one sentence.

            Have a great day!


  60. 24 Cups says:

    The refs blow another major call. It’s becoming an epidemic.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      The startling part was how the referee was in a good enough position to find the puck and not screw up the call. Having said that, perhaps the influence of Gomez is simply this strong?

      • Habfan10912 says:

        Some goalies seem to get the quick whistle. That was just a blown call. I understand those when the official loses sight of the puck but he was right there looking down at it. How could he miss it?

        • wjc says:

          It dribble through and I did not see ref watching it dribble in. He blew it when if was 2 inches from the goal line and had whistle to his lips standing in front when puck was under him.

          Like putting on the brakes in a car, your foot is heading for the pedal and you cannot stop that last half a second once you have committed yourself to the brake.


      • 24 Cups says:

        Refs are human beings and I realize that games will not be called perfectly. However, this call did not involve any judgement or interpretation of the rules. It was a totally blown call that cost the other team a goal. Not a PP or a scoring chance, but a clearly scored goal that happens every night of the year.

        This in a game where LA lost by a score of 2-1.

    • Cal says:

      Who was that (un)masked (yet helmeted) man?

    • wjc says:

      Refs, umps, make mistakes they are human. Why all this passion about L.A. do you hate ‘Gomez’ that much’?

      Quick whistle, normally not an issue. Call a ball, when it was a strike, calling a strike when it was a ball. Part of the game that makes it interesting, people (refs, umps are people) make mistakes and they will make more, just part of being human.

      Calling it an epidemic when so many calls are correct is hyperbole.

      You have never made a mistake, I get it. You have never had to get it right 100% of the time in front of millions and camera’s dissecting your every move.

      What are you going to do, shrug and move on. Players on both teams realize that it was not intentional… I said what are you going to do. Fans want their pound of flesh, even for a team that they do care about…..go figure.


    • Lafleurguy says:

      Mike Murphy OK’ing the Zibanejad goal was way worse.

      “May you live in interesting times.”

    • ebk says:

      it has been amazing how many games the refereeing has played a huge part in the outcome.

    • wjc says:

      Have a great day? You don’t mean that. I check out the post that I have a different opinion on. If I agree, why would I say I agree, who cares.

      If I have an a different take, then that is interesting, rather then giving two thumbs up.

      Cal needs to get a grip as well, I know your little buddies feel they have ride to your rescue, but you do a fair job of defending your point of view. I respect your point of view and do not sink to calling names are asking for help from my buddies.

      You have a good day…….for real, I mean it, nothing personal here for me.


  61. thebonscott says:

    i think the only team left that can beat boston is pittsburgh. I have a sickness in my stomach, that B’s will end up falling “bass ackwards” into the cup. Man, johnny boychuk is good, i hate him.


    • HabinBurlington says:

      Thus the reason I was cheering for the Laffs, I had no doubt they would lose to Ottawa, Pittsburgh and maybe even New York, but did not want to see Boston get any momentum.

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        I think the Bruins are going to have a much tougher time in the finals this year against one of the four remaining western teams, unless it’s Detroit, than they did against Vancouver.

        SJ, L.A. and Chicago can pretty much match their size or physicality and have more firepower on offense.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Very true Hobie, that Vancouver team while talented, had zero push back physically against the Bruins. And when Aaron Rome did push back, he had the book thrown at him, all the while Canuck players had their backs broken pushed into boards late with no suspension.

      • Habfan10912 says:

        The Bruins have a hard time matching teams with speed. The Rangers do not provide a tough match-up for them. Pittsburgh will.

    • Small_Town_Boy says:

      Yes, if the FIX is in!

      Dat’s wha me tinks

    • Mattyleg says:

      That kid Krug looks good too.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

  62. Habfan10912 says:

    When Torts is dismissed I think he’ll have a very difficult time getting another coaching job. What team would want to deal with his arrogance?

    • Lafleurguy says:

      He could get into a battle of wits with Keenan over in Russia.

      “May you live in interesting times.”

    • Maritime Ron says:

      That Tampa Stanley Cup ring of Torts will still carry weight.
      He wouldn’t be unemployed for long.
      Maybe Antichambre could hire him with a 10 minute English session…

    • GrosBill says:

      Meet the replacement for Coach’s corner 😉

    • wjc says:

      Here I go again, but I think ‘Torts’ is good for New York and won’t be fired. He is entertaining and everyone loves his off the cuff interviews.

      New York made it to the second round and that will be good enough. There will be a team party with congratulations all around.

      Only one team can advance all the way and to be in the top 8 is quite satisfactory. That is my opinion, that is my belief, sorry in advance for having a different take on it. This is reality my friends, being in the final 8 is considered a good accomplishment.


  63. HabinBurlington says:

    Not sure if this has been posted here already before, but Down Goes Brown has a pretty funny post on Grantland regarding what kind of fan you are.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Mornin Burly! Not sure I could pick a fan type for myself but I sure recognized our buddy Timo. 🙂

      • HabinBurlington says:

        I don’t know what you mean Jim? But I did see this one….

        9. The Pessimist

        This fan spends almost the entire game predicting that something terrible is about to happen. Long before it becomes clear that the game is going south, this fan will annoy everyone by coming up with increasingly negative scenarios that he insists are about to unfold. Eventually, his lamentations become a source of constant background noise, like a dripping faucet.

        This will last until, inevitably, one of the other fans will threaten this person with physical violence if he doesn’t shut up immediately. It will probably be the “Punches the Wall” guy. Everyone else will nod silently.

    • Lafleurguy says:


      “May you live in interesting times.”

    • Cal says:

      Geez, Burly, the categories abound! Funny stuff, thanks! 😆

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Mornin’ Cal, Jim and Guy! I found myself represented in many of the categories. But they didn’t have the category where I run at the TV with both middle fingers raised at the TV yelling F you Boston, F you PJ etc.. etc… etc…

    • Chris says:

      He’s missing one of the most annoying of all. No matter how bad the team is playing, no matter how obvious the issues with the roster, there will always be SuperFans that will loudly proclaim that the team is fine, and they’ll be laughing when all the band wagon jumpers try to get back on.

      That fan is just as annoying as The Pessimist, because both types are impediments to anything approaching a nuanced, critical discussion of the team you cheer for. “Nothing is wrong!” and “Everything is wrong!” are equally annoying.

    • Mattyleg says:

      Thank you Burly!!
      That’s the best read I’ve had in a long long time!!

      I’m definitely #18. All the way.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

  64. Marc10 says:

    Magnus Nygren – the new Sheldon Souray or the new MAB?

    That kid has a wicked shot!

    • Lafleurguy says:

      Great! First Souray, then Streit, and currently P.K. May be a first to have two booming shots from the point. Chara wins hardest shot contests but without P.K.’s agility, he rarely gets one off.

      “May you live in interesting times.”

  65. HabinBurlington says:

    Tim Leiweke the new Head Cheese at MLSE sure is enjoying playing God. While Bryan Colangelo did not warrant an extension, it appears the new President & CEO of MLSE really enjoys his power trip.

    It will be fun to watch when he starts flexing his muscle with the Leafs, too bad Burke wassn’t still in the mix that would have been pure gold!

  66. Small_Town_Boy says:

    Hockey is so fixed it an’t even funny …

    Dat’s wha me tinks

  67. HabFanSince72 says:

    Was Ryane Clowe already injured when Sather traded for him or is this a new injury? At any rate they didn’t get full value for their draft picks.

    • Maritime Ron says:

      it looks like he missed 4 games about 1 week before the trade deadine because of shoulder issues. Then again, you never know what to believe about team reported injuries

    • HabinBurlington says:

      He was battling a shoulder injury for what seemed like most of the season. I would think the Rangers would do a physical first to complete trade, but perhaps in the panic of trade deadline they waived that. Almost like when people get in a bidding war for a home they like and waive the home inspection to make their bid look more attractive.

      If indeed they knew (which they must have) that he was struggling with shoulder problems, Sather blew it. Giving up assets for a rental who is injured seems beyond stupid.

      • Maritime Ron says:

        I guess the tip off was 0 goals in 28 games with San Jose before the trade. That from a guy that averaged 20 for the 4 years prior.
        Sather turns 70 this year and something tells me the word ‘rebuild’ is not part of his world.
        He also knows that New York is almost always on everyone’s UFA list or chosen trade destination, so losing a few picks means less to him than several other teams.

  68. Maritime Ron says:

    Re the Patrick Roy watch to the Avalanche

    What a difference a day makes.
    There is a lot of back tracking going on.
    Never a dull moment or an easy simple situation with Patrick.

    It all started with a Facebook post by Patrick’s brother Stephane
    ” for all my friends, I’d like you to know before the official news spread out that my older brother will be the new coach of the Avalanche.”

    Adrian Dater, the veteran journalist covering the Avs actually called Stephane to verify it was truly him and not a hoax.

    The quotes from the conversation;
    ““They’re discussing the final details of an arrangement. Colorado is going to be very happy. Patrick is looking for a new challenge.”
    ” People in Quebec will be sad again that my brother is leaving for Denver. But he has always loved Denver too, and wants the new challenge of going back to his old team.”

    As of yesterday, the Entry in Facebook has disappeared and denials with words such as “exaggerated” and “sensationalized.”

    So what the heck was that all about?

    • Cal says:

      A case of premature Royification?

      • Maritime Ron says:

        Hi Cal-that was funny-good one.
        Strange stuff.
        Just wondering what happened?
        The fit is obviously right, yet is Patrick asking for player personnel power also? That wouldn’t be a surprise.

        • Cal says:

          Roy may be testing the waters to see exactly what kind of say he would have over personnel before accepting. Or this could all be simply full of crap, like Patrick playing a joke on his gullible brother.
          We’ll know soon enough.

  69. SUMO says:

    Went through and hockeydb. With all the recent signings, I was curious to see who is signed up for next year in Hamilton and where potential openings could be. I’m assuming Jarred Tinordi and Gabriel Dumont will be in Montreal to start the season. I also checked for updated stats on the players height and weight.

    C Hudon (18, L, 5’11”, 180lbs) – M Bournival (20, L, 5’11”, 191lbs) – S Collberg (18, R, 5’11”, 180lbs)
    LW ?? – L Leblanc (21, R, 6’0″, 190lbs) – D Kristo (22, R, 5’11”, 185lbs)
    LW ?? – J Nattinen (21, R, 6’2″ 187lbs) – P Holland (20, R, 6’0″, 175lbs)
    P Lefebvre (21, L, 5’11”, 196lbs) – B Vail (18, L, 6’1″, 194lbs) – S Quailer (23, R, 6’4″, 209lbs)

    **Seems to be openings at LW. Options could be from the 2012 Draft; 3rd Rounder; Tim Bozon (19, 6’1″, 195lbs) 6th Rounder; Erik Nystrom (19, 5’11”, 176lbs) or 2010 4th rounder; Mark MacMillan (21, 6’0″, 168lbs)

    C – Olivier Fortier (23yrs)
    C – Stephane Chaput (25yrs)
    C – Zack Sortini (26yrs)
    C – Joey Tenute (29ys)
    RW – Alex Belzile (21yrs)
    RW – Mike Blunden (25yrs)
    LW – Olivier Archambault (19yrs)

    Nathan Beaulieu (20, L, 6’2″, 194lbs) – Morgan Ellis (20, R, 6’1″, 202lbs)
    Magnus Nygren (22, R, 6’0″, 192lbs) – Greg Pateryn (22, R, 6’2″, 219lbs)
    LD ?? – Darren Dietz (19, R, 6’1″, 205lbs)

    **Dalton Thrower is a RH shot but it looks like we are over-loaded on that so maybe 2011 4th rounder; Josiah Didier (20, L, 6’2″, 215lbs) or 2009 3rd rounder; Mac Bennet (22, L, 5’11”, 180lbs)

    Jason Desantis (26, UFA)
    Frederic St Denis (27, UFA)
    Joe Stejskal (25, RFA)
    Antoine Corbin (20yrs)
    Kyle Hagel (27yrs)

    Dustin Tokarski (22yrs) – RFA
    Robert Mayer (22yrs) – RFA
    Mike Condon (23yrs) – Signed (2yrs)
    Peter Delmas (23yrs) – Signed (1yr)

  70. pmaraw says:

    So I know a guy who’s painting a portrait of Prust in a Habs uniform, looks really amazing, wish I had some extra cash lol

  71. Saintpatrick33 says:

    It is beyond me why the Rangers with all those “stars” on their team can’t win one frikken game against the Bruins. How Sather still has a job is beyond me and I think that surly a-hole Torts days are numbered as well.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Seems to me that Torts is trying to have his team play a system not unlike that which JM employed in Montreal. Particularly like the system we used 3 years ago in the playoffs, where the entire team collapses in their own zone, have your goalie makes saves then try and get opportune scoring.

      Problem is they aren’t getting opportune scoring, and Lundqvist while very good this last game, was not channelling his inner Halak in the previous game.

      Why a team with the quality of Dmen Rangers have, and the supposed stars up front wouldn’t play a more offensive game, is beyond me.

    • Cal says:

      They’re not working hard enough to overcome Boston’s D zone coverage. If the Rags pack it in in 4 games, look for a new management regime there.

      • Maritime Ron says:

        Just noticed that Sather will be 70 years old this year!
        Torts is gone as the Rangers look like they need a new message and style. A lot of talent on that team.

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