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The Canadiens announced late Friday night that they have signed defenceman Josh Gorges to a one-year deal.
Gorges will make $2.5 million.
His salary last season, which ended with knee surgery after only  36 games, was $1.1 million.

• Pat Hickey on Gorges and the two new ass’t coaches

• Arpon Basu calls the Gorges deal “a head-scratcher”

• J.T. on the value of Gorges

The Canadiens have 21 players under contract and a salary cap total of a shade over $59 million. General manager Pierre Gauthier has his roster signed, with a healthy $5 million in cap space.

Gorges was a restricted free agent and scheduled for a July 28 arbitration hearing.

Basu’s analysis of Gorges arbitration case

Gorges will become an unrestricted free agent next July 1 – when Carey Price, his best friend on the team, can become a RFA unless Gauthier can sign his franchise goaltender to a new contract.

It will be interesting to see how the Canadiens’ lukewarm commitment to Gorges will play in the room, where he is a team leader.

Gorges was obtained from San Jose in what may have been Bob Gainey’s most astute trade, a 2007 deadline deal that sent Craig Rivet to the Sharks for Gorges and the first-round draft choice that the Canadiens used to pick Max Pacioretty.

Announcing the deal late on Friday night is weird, even by the obsessively secretive standards of the Bell Centre Kremlin.

The team announcement:

Montreal Canadiens general manager Pierre Gauthier announced tonight the signing of defenseman Josh Gorges to a one-year contract (2011-12). As per club policy, financial terms of the agreement were not disclosed.
“We are pleased to have reached an agreement with Josh Gorges for the 2011-12 season. He is a very reliable defenseman for our club. Josh is recovering extremely well from his knee injury that kept him out of the line- up for half of the regular season and the playoffs, and we look forward to seeing him at training camp,” said Canadiens general manager Pierre Gauthier.
Gorges, 26, completed his sixth season with the Canadiens in the NHL in 2010-11. The defenseman registered seven points (1 goal, 6 assists) in 36 games. He served 18 penalty minutes and averaged 21:10 seconds of ice time per game. Gorges suffered a season-ending injury to his right knee on December 26 at Long Island.
Since his NHL debuts in 2005-06, Gorges has registered 59 points (9 goals, 50 assists) in 364 regular-season games. The 6’1’’, 200 lbs defenseman has recorded 183 penalty minutes and maintained a +12 plus/minus differential. Gorges has scored three of his goals on the powerplay. He has accumulated seven assists (0-7-7) in 46 career playoff contests.
A native of Kelowna, British Columbia, Gorges first signed with the San Jose Sharks as a free agent on September 20, 2002. He was acquired by the Canadiens from San Jose on February 25, 2007.

HNIC feature on Gorges:

And a fan tribute:

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  3. Timo says:

    And there is your 2011-2012 first round exit roster of Les Canadiens de Monteal. Great job, Pierre.

  4. RGM says:

    My long-winded thoughts on the Gorges signing and what it may mean: http://bit.ly/jg26

    During the long summer, we all get to be pretend GM.

  5. savethepuck says:

    There was a lot if chat last night about the Jets new logo and negativity about it being modelled after the Air Force insignia. Someone even said it cheapens the armed forces. My father was in the Air Force for 22 years, my brother is a Master Warrant Officer now and his son is presently doing a tour in Afghanistan. I wish my father was still alive to get his opinion, but my brother has absolutely no problem with the Jets organization realizing the Air Force is an important part of the Winnepeg Community. Do you not think that the WHA Winnepeg franchise was not origionally named the Jets because of the Air Force in Winnepeg?

    “That beautiful bastard scored semi-conscious.” On the Rocket’s Game 7 game winning goal against the Bruin’s April, 1952

  6. Bill H says:

    I am concerned about our poor performance in the face off circle. It seems to me we still need a face off/defensive/PK specialist for the fourth line. Someone to replace Halpern.

    The widespread assumption on this board is that Yemelin starts the year as a second or third pairing d-man. He’s never played a game in the NHL folks. Hockey’s Future has him rated 6.0D. That translates into potential third pairing but very good chance he won’t reach that potential. Okay, granted, he plays an aggressive physical game and that is something we need on the team. But the KHL is an inferior league and they play on a different size ice surface. That takes time to adjust to. I hope Yemelin’s transition to the NHL is smooth and quick, but I think a lot of people are in fantasy land with their assessment of Yemelin. Paired with Markov, as some have suggested, against the top forwards in the league? Not likely. We don’t really know what kind of arrangement he has with management, but its rumoured that if he’s sent to Hamilton, he would go back to KHL. I hope he gets some tune up time in Hamilton and then gets a call up, followed by a long and successful career as a Canadien.

    Let’s not panic about Gorges. We got him for a good price. He likes it here. PG will have a season to assess the progress of our prospects as well as Gorges post-surgery. Everything will work out in the end.

  7. Mike D says:

    Just had a look over at capgeek. Some points of interest:

    Buffalo is currently 3.6mil over the cap. Even when they put Kotalik down to the minors, they’re still gonna be 600K over which means they’ll need to make another move or two depending on how much cap space they want during the season for call-ups or trade deadline acquisitions.

    Washington is 900K over the cap, though I imagine they will just move Wideman and solve all their problems. They’ll likely get a good return for him too knowing them.

    Philly only has 175K in cap space which is peanuts. They’ll likely get another 1.16mil from Laperriere’s LTIR but then they will also need a 13th forward. I imagine they’ll need to make a move as well

    Scott Gomez is listed at #1 in the Most Popular Buyouts section (past 7 days), LOL. I didn’t even know that section existed but it would be interesting to see if he remains there during the season.

    - Honestly yours

  8. Hobie Hansen says:

    $2.5 is exactly what Gorges deserves. I was hearing people expecting he’d sign for or was worth $3.5 or even $4.
    The guy is a DECENT 4th or 5th defenseman who has had his moments but people were getting way too carried away and acting like was the best defensive defenseman in the game or something?
    If he comes back this season and plays 82 solid games and shuts down the top players for the majority of the year, than give him $3.5 next year.

  9. Neutral says:

    everything about the Habs look good on paper but there’s a lot of if’s due to certain players injury’s. if they stay healthy this team could place 1st in the eastern division….

  10. 24 Cups says:

    Prospal snags 1.75M from Columbus as well as the 1.116M he picks up from the Lightning on his buyout. Not bad at all.

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=372335

  11. petefleet says:

    Good job locking up Gorges. Chances are if Gorges plays well, by December they’ll be signing an extension. Despite what alot of people might think, D like Gorges don’t grow on trees. This guy is all heart, all night, every night. Cherry said he was like Doug Harvey!! High praise from that idiot but never-the-less, he would not say that about just anybody. Gorges is a great assest to the Habs and I hope he stays. He could be one of the cornerstones of the franchise for alot of years. He is definately JM’s kind of D man. The one year contract is a head scratcher though.
    Is it October yet?

    ***Habs Forever***

    • CanadienBoy says:

      I think his agent will direct him toward free ag,,he will be in line for his biggest contract ever and you know what, money will be it !

    • HABSGUARDIANANGEL says:

      josh georges reminds me of craig rivet, i think they;ll have simialr careers.

      watch georges will end up in a small market next season and end up being a capatain of that team.

  12. July 23, 2011 5:02 pm at 5:02 pm Here is a look at what the lines could look like when the season starts?

    1st line – Cole – Plekanec – Cammalleri

    Markov – Subban

    2nd line – Pacioretty – Gomez – Gionta

    Gill – Gorges

    3rd line – AK46 – Eller(LTIR) / DD – Darche

    Yemelin – Weber/Spacek

    4th line – Moen – Engqvist – White

    Goalies : Price – Budaj

    Spares : Blunden – Willsie – Berger – Palushaj

    • Mike D says:

      The forwards look about right, except swap Cole and Cammy’s positions. Depending on whether Eller can start the season or not, you might see DD on the wing.

      The D pairings are totally up in the air right now for me. You may have them right, but I could also see them pairing Marky with Yemelin, or perhaps putting one offensive D with one defesive D on each pairing.

      - Honestly yours

      • Marcusman says:

        DD had a way better faceoff won/loss percentage than Eller…might see Eller on the wing.

        • Mike D says:

          Yeah, but DD played well at wing and Eller was a disaster when they tried him there. Maybe they’ll have DD take the faceoffs as a winger?

          - Honestly yours

        • HabFab says:

          IMHO DD career would be better served by moving to wing. He is not fast enough for his size to be successful as an NHL center. The guy was never drafted (size and skating) and has worked his way into the NHL on sheer determination coupled with good offensive skills. Maybe this will complete him.

    • petefleet says:

      I like the line up. Here’s my thoughts: Cammy on the left. Gomez in the press box. Eller or DD starting 2nd line centre. I don’t think Enquist is going to make it out of training camp. White is a centreman. Put Gorges with Markov, Gill with Subban and the rest can fight over 3rd pairing. I would expect to see Diaz in the line up as well. Top D man in the Swiss league is not going to be happy to ride the pine over here or bus it in the AHL.

      ***Habs Forever***

      • Mike D says:

        You know good and well Gomer won’t start the season in the press box. Not saying it wouldn’t be warranted after his play last season, but it ain’t gonna happen.

        Hopefully he will bounce back like he said he would.

        - Honestly yours

        • FishOutOfWater says:

          thank you. srsly i dont know why guys have the slightest thought that gomezs role will be diminished or gomez will recieve some sort of punishment for playing so awful. theres never been the slightest inclination that he will face any retribution at all and no should there be. he should have a goiod season. or he will be traded or bought out cause he might as well call it a career

    • Chris F says:

      AK is going to start on one of the top two lines to give Pacioretty time to get going. I see Patches starting on the third line. DD is not a winger, don’t know why people keep suggesting he should start on the wing, especially if Eller can’t start the season.
      PG still needs to find another center, unless he is resigned to having Gomez, Pleks, DD, and White as the starting four.\
      Here is how I see the lines:
      Cammy Pleks Ak
      Gio Gomez Cole
      Patches DD Darche
      Moen White ??

      The D pairings IMO will look like this:
      Markov Gorges
      Gill Subban
      Spacek Emelin (With Weber as an option over either)

      There is always some opportunity at camp, but not as much as people think, White should have made the team last year if results at camp carried alot of weight.
      JM is going with the vets, period. In a perfect world we would pick up a big center who could play on the third line until Eller gets back, and take big face-offs.
      In a perfect world Spacek would have been traded for nothing, and O’Brien put on the third pairing to have some prescence of punishment when forwards are coming into our zone with their heads down, and to clear idiots like Lucic and Horton from the front of the net.

      • savethepuck says:

        According to Eller, he will be ready to start the season and the reason everyone is pencilling in DD on wing is because that’s where he played the last few playoff games before being injured ( and he looked really good with the G’s) and he’s not the typical 4th line grinder center. Top 3 centers on this team are Plex, Gomez, and Eller.

        “That beautiful bastard scored semi-conscious.” On the Rocket’s Game 7 game winning goal against the Bruin’s April, 1952

      • HabFab says:

        As for O’Brien that boat has already sailed, he signed with Colorado. The knock on him apparently was discipline, commitment and too much partying. In fact his first Tweet upon signing was to advise the people of Colorado to get ready to party!
        Enough said!

      • Stev.R says:

        Pacioretty better not be on the third line. The reason it took him so long to develop into a scorer was because we never gave him a chance on the top two lines. He’s got to play with the top offensive guys. Not just so he plays well, but so they;ll play better too.

        I honestly would rather see Pacioretty in the AHL than on the third line

    • drivefor25 says:

      But what did the lines look like at 5:03 p.m. That’s what I want to know LOL!

      Fan since ’71

  13. SyntaxLove says:

    Vinny Prospal’s going to have a very good season in Columbus. I’m calling it now. That’s a smart supplement to Huselius.

    Every time another player gets signed I become more depressed thinking that we’re relying solely on Hamilton call-ups to replace injured players.

    Chinchillin’

      • SyntaxLove says:

        Glad you agree?

        Chinchillin’

        • Bouleau noir says:

          I dont think he did, I know I dont.

          Unlike Columbus Montreal has scoring depth within its line-up, if an injury were to happen to one of our top power play guys it would be barely noticable since we have power play capable players playing all the way down our lines with guys like Kostsitsyn and Desharnais bound to start the season on the third line. As far as forwards go our PP prowess is safe for the season and all we may need from Hamilton this season will be depth players which is no problem.

          • JayBee says:

            Scoring depth? I really don’t see that. I think they’ll be in the bottom 10 when it comes to 5 on 5 scoring.

          • Mike D says:

            Not sure why you’d think that Jay. Cole will definitely help with ES scoring.

            As for scoring depth, AK46 will likely be a 3rd line winger and he’s practically a lock for 20+ goals and 45-50 points. He’s also playing for his UFA contract which should light more of a fire under his arse. If DD’s play last year was any indication, our 3rd line looks damn good to me.

            - Honestly yours

          • kitbeyer says:

            JayBee – if that’s the case it will be a symptom of the system rather than an indication of the scoring ability of the players in it.

          • HabFab says:

            JB.
            Last season we were 16th in 5 on 5 scoring and 22 of Cole’s 26 goals were scored on 5 on 5. Not sure how you see us getting worse?

          • JayBee says:

            Our top 3 centermen combined for less than what….35 goals last year?

            The addition of Cole will help, for sure….but as long as Gomez and Eller are scoring <10 goals/season, I see the Habs struggling to score goals 5 on 5. It has to do with lack of adequate scoring depth and the system.

            Need more production from our 2nd and 3rd line centermen. I think we'll also miss Hamr's offensive production as well.

  14. SeriousFan09 says:

    Summer so boring I started building my 2011-12 Habs Future watchlist.

    So far, Karri Ramo has been axed due to his new two-year commitment to the KHL. Robert Mayer is out as well due to a dismal season and goes to the bubble. Phillippe Lefebvre’s average Q season, even with his new pro contract has him a bubble candidate and Andrew Conboy’s season has had him moved back to the bubble as well. Olivier Archambeault, Alain Berger, Michael Blunden, Peter Delmas, Raphael Diaz, Darren Dietz, Mark Mitera, Joonas Nattinen, Magnus Nygren, Daniel Pribylm Steve Quailer get nods to the list on a trial basis. Nathan Beaulieu is essentially a lock to stay on this group full time.

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
    SF09 on Twitter

    • ed lopaz says:

      Playing for Pascal Vincent was no picnic these past 2 seasons.

      Junior hockey – like the NHL – has different types of coaching, and Vincent always coached for “team success” ahead of “individual success”.

      So guys like Lefebvre or Leblanc, and others that have been drafted, were “rotated” in and out of the power play, in and out of scoring opportunities late in the game.

      Some Junior teams play their NHL drafts in ALL situations.

      They play PP, PK, and any extra minutes available throughout the game.

      Like a Crosby was played in Pittsburgh.

      Vincent really hurt the stats page of his drafted players.

      AND – the Juniors were upset by Lewiston (who were contracted), and now the Juniors do not exist, and Vincent is in Winnipeg!!!

      I think Lefebvre can at least move on to the AHL – but to be honest, I have not seen anything “brilliant” about him yet either.

      Leblanc has an electric “first step”, and I am hoping for his sake that a change in environment will help him raise his game.

      Vincent – for all the accolades – has never won anything.

      Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

      • HabFab says:

        Are you saying Vincent comes from the Jacques Martin “school of coaching”?
        As for Lefebvre, agree that I never saw much to excite me. Did see 1 period in about 6 games that he was dominate and I thought “Ok, this is why we signed him!”. In other games, he was invisible all night.

      • petefleet says:

        I don’t anyone should be too quick to throw Lefebvre under the bus. I watched them play in HFX this year past season. Lefebvre had a goal and 3 assists and Leblanc had 3 or 4 assists and they both controlled the play all night. I hope they both get a chance to show their stuff and make it to the Habs. They were dynamite together even under Vincent that night.

        ***Habs Forever***

      • SeriousFan09 says:

        My list is not set it stone, it is subject to change based on performance. I left other people off due to lack of the quality of their competition (Colin Sullivan playing in high school hockey) or suspecting they won’t play much as Josiah Didier is in tough to be a regular on the Denver Pioneers with 6 Ds on the team who are non-freshman and two other freshman to compete with.

        Lefebvre may bump himself up later though.

        - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
        SF09 on Twitter

  15. Bouleau noir says:

    I like the projected roster for next season, I see more skills from our top 9 forwards than I have seen here for years nevermind that we now have two power forward style players who will be playing a top end role among that group which should go a long way in making us a better pressure capable offensive team thus improving our 5-on-5 scoring, which has always lag behind most other teams since the lock-out.

    The other good news roster wise is to be able to count on two top noth players like Markov and Subban to crown our Dsquad.

    Weaknesses ?

    Well I am not sold on our Dsquad package as a whole, Gill is a great PK player and Gorges is solid too but they are not what I consider ideal top 4 defensemen having to play the requisite top 4 quality type minutes the way an Hamrlik was able to do, as it is our dsquad is blessed with a first rated top pair but then in terms of sheer quality or lack of readyness our remaining D players seems more fitting to the third pairing roles and responsabilities than the second….. this assesment seems to be in line with Gauhier who had wanted hamrlik to stay one more season….. as it is, bottom pairs type players will be seen playing higher up than they should, Hamrlik did it last year when replacing Markov yet hamrlik was no Markov, now Gill, Gorges, Spacek or Yemelin will have to replace Hamrlik but none of them play up to his level,… hence the perceived weakness, which will be…. unless a trade happens.

    • Mike D says:

      Dude, Gorges is capable of logging all the minutes you want. He won’t get as many points offensively as Hamr did, but he is better defensively I think, or at least has fewer brain-farts in his own zone.

      - Honestly yours

  16. TorontoHabsFan says:

    Careful what you wish for…there’s no reason why the Winnipeg logo couldn’t have turned out something like this:

    http://sjsharkie.dagnabit.org/hoser/wj-ana.jpg

  17. Chuck Chuck Goose says:

    I really think it looks like a solid roster that can make some noise….as long as everyone stays off the shelf, of course.
    If PG can get a guy like Madden for 3rd/4th-line centre, all the better.

  18. HabFarmer says:

    The logo is all about perspective I guess, because I have a relative who flew with the Snow Birds and he seems to like it. It’s a personal thing-like a lot of things, I guess.

  19. mike3131 says:

    LOL! We should sign the guy with his back to the camera!

    http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/console?catid=35&id=121192

  20. REB says:

    For all of you folks who advocate dumping Gomez, or trading him for a bag of pucks….have you ever given any consideration to the dynamics in the dressing room, and how an action like this might have negative consequences?

    Gionta and Cammilleri supposedly said that Gomez was part of the reason they came to Montreal…. so what happens to them and their production if we dump Gomez?

    Do we really want to find out the hard way????

    • Yes, you’re right, the Montreal Canadien organization would come to stand-still if Gomez were to ever depart. It would be devastating. hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

    • Clay says:

      “Do we really want to find out the hard way????”
      YES!!!!

      __________________________
      Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened.

      Winston Churchill

    • Bill J says:

      I also want to know the hard way, any member of the team who demands to be traded because PG made them better by losing Gomez, must go too then.

      It’s one thing to be concerned about it with Gorges, an entirely different angle when you discuss Gomez.

      • JayBee says:

        “It’s one thing to be concerned about it with Gorges, an entirely different angle when you discuss Gomez.”

        Why?

        • Bill J says:

          Gomez is useless, in my opinion.
          Gorges is not useless, in my opinion.

          Gomez’s friends are not the future of this team.
          Gorges’ friends are.

          It’s all just speculation anyways, I have no clue what they think. But if it was me, that’s how I would see it. ;)

    • kitbeyer says:

      I think a lot of people take this situation of the Gomez acquisition leading to Cammy and Gio signing out of context in both directions. If his acquisition played a role in either of these guys signing (I’m in the camp that thinks it did) then it wasn’t because they were all buddies and wanted to play with their friends, it was because the organization made a move to indicate it was serious about putting together a contender enticing FAs to want to be a part of it (throwing money at them didn’t hurt of course).

      I think both of those guys are smart enough to know that Gomez has not performed up to the standards the organization has expected of him and that he could be gone if he doesn’t turn it around. If this leads to a situation that improves the team, either by freeing cap space to acquire someone else or by allowing a young guy to step in and play a bigger role, then I don’t think any player on that improved team would mind. These guys want to win.

      That being said, I think our options to replace what Gomez brings are limited right now. That may not be the case come February though as hopefully a young gun emerges as a consensus second-liner or other players become available for a price (but not a Price).

  21. Chris says:

    Regarding Gorges:

    The one year deal suggests to me that Gorges’ camp was not happy with the Canadiens offer (term, amount or both) and want to use this season to position him for a much bigger pay-day next summer as a UFA.

    Many here were saying $2.5-3 M, based on the fact that he was an RFA. Gorges signed at the low end. I suspect we can forget about any kind of hometown discount next summer, and I wouldn’t be shocked to see him get a Jay McKee like offer ($4 M per year for 4 years) from some team desperate to bolster their defence.

    Regarding the Jets new logo:

    Dislike…too militaristic. I wasn’t necessarily crazy about the old one, but it was a decent logo. This one doesn’t really do it for me whatsoever, although I’m sure the jerseys will look good as the logo lends itself to a nice, classic looking jersey.

    • Jonson says:

      like you have any idea of how gorges “camp”is feeling? he didnt even play half a season last year and has this year to play for a contract. a lot of rfa’s do that. its really not a big deal. the fact of the matter is that he is playing for the habs next year. if he plays well he will get a longer contract.
      we are just fans we know nothing about that side of the business. we can speculate all you want but we still have no clue.

      • Bill J says:

        Usually when someone says “suggests to me” it means the person is offering an opinion.

        Perhaps you should stop reading people’s posts here as if any one of us actually has insight on the matter.

        If people only posted if they had concrete posts to make, H I/O would have 2-3 posts per WEEK. If that!

        Relax dude, the whole blog is based on speculation. Sheesh!

      • Chris says:

        You seem to have gotten lost.

        The opinions of the guys who actually get to talk to the players are up in the text at the top.

        The opinions of the guys shooting the breeze about hockey are down here at the bottom.

        Not really sure what the point of our little rant was, but I hope it made you feel better.

    • TomNickle says:

      Your theory about Gorges’ camp feelings runs counterproductive to the main focus of arbitration, which is to say that arbitration settles contract disputes first and foremost. If Gorges didn’t want the contract, he wouldn’t have signed it. It’s far more likely, due to the signing, that the negotiations were amicable.

      Regarding the Jets logo. To me it wreaks of an organization trying to become Canada’s team overnight. I understand the historical significance of the name itself and that the team wants to honour that heritage, but they essentially stole the RCAF logo and are exploiting it in my view.

      • longbow says:

        Re the logo: Totally agree. My Dad is ex RAF and he isn’t amused.His feeling is military insignia belong to the military and having a professional sports franchise parading around in it cheapens it.I would have liked them to make the effort to come up with something original.

        “Wanting is often more pleasurable than having.It is not logical but it is often true.” – Spock

        • HabinBurlington says:

          So I am home for the weekend in wpg and all my family friends don’t like it, too military. They are still pumped about team but dislike the the logo

    • ed lopaz says:

      I think the Habs are very thin in their top 4 d-men, and you have alluded to this in earlier posts.

      After Markov (we hope!!) and Subban, what is left?

      Gill? A solid penalty killer, but too slow to play against a fast 2nd line pairing

      Gorges? I think he is a #4 d-man, although he will never be a #1 pairing skill set

      Spacek? well, I had him dumped for a draft pick – he is done in my opinion

      Yemelin, Weber, Diaz, – no idea who will emerge?

      The more I think of it, the more it looks like Yemelin is not only assured a spot on the roster, but he will be given every opportunity to play significant minutes as well.

      And what happens if Gorges or Markov stumble back from their injuries?

      Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

      • HabFab says:

        Bang on! I like the potential but there are a lot of question marks. This is why I believe PG is holding onto his money until training camp is completed if not longer.
        I would not be surprised to see us carrying 8 D into the start. As for Spacek, believe him to be “check” not “finish” and has one more season left in him. :)

      • Mike D says:

        Gorges is easily top-4 material. He doesn’t bring much offensively, but he can shut down anybody in the league.

        I haven’t seen Yemelin play much, but some on here who have are confident we’ll be pleasantly surprised. Hopefully they’re right.

        Gill might be slow and getting on in age, but he’s also very reliable defensively. He shouldn’t be playing 20+ minutes a night, but 15-18 minutes won’t be a problem for the big man.

        - Honestly yours

        • HabFab says:

          The Swiss hockey people are also saying that Diaz is NHL ready. According to reports he is ahead of Weber (3 years older) and almost to the level Streit was when he came over (2 years younger). That and the fact 3 other NHL teams tried to sign him also leads me to believe he didn’t come over here to play in the AHL.
          BUT like with Yemelin, all this means nada until they show they can play in the NHL.

          • Mike D says:

            Correct on all counts except for Streit’s age (he’s 33). Unless you meant the age they were when they came over.

            Hopefully we have somewhat of a gem with Diaz.

            On a side-note, is 5’11″ like the mandatory size for Swiss defensman or something?? Streit, Weber, and Diaz are all 5’11″.

            - Honestly yours

          • HabFab says:

            Correct in when he came over. As for the height, must be caused by the high altitude in Switzerland :) As for Streit, he is now claiming to be 6′ !

      • Mark C says:

        I think a lot of people here are overrating how good most top-4 defensemen are around the league. Johnny Boychuk and Andrew Ference just won the Cup as top-4 D on their team. I have a hard time believing that either of those players are more valuable than Gill and Gorges.

        Sure, if everything goes wrong Montreal will be hurting for top-4 help. Odds are everything won’t go wrong, and given the amount of depth, at least one or two players will emerge.

  22. howtathor says:

    I dunno, maybe I missed something but I thought the old Jets’ logo was great. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it! Maybe there was a copywrite to the old logo but I think the new logo doesn’t come close to being as nice as the old one. If they wanted to sell more jerseys why not just make the new one an alternate?

  23. Steven says:

    Is it just me, or did the Winnipeg Jets misspell “fueled” on their site?

    http://jets.nhl.com/?navid=nav-teamnav-wpg

    • longbow says:

      Fuelled is correct. Americans spell it with one L. For proper spelling of English go to the Oxford Dictionary. Americans only borrowed the language.

      “Wanting is often more pleasurable than having.It is not logical but it is often true.” – Spock

      • Steven says:

        Really? Then I’ve been writing the word wrong for ages. :$

        • longbow says:

          Fuel,fuelled,fuelling. Like level,levelled,levelling. Being in North America it’s normal to start spelling the local way after time.Who can forget such great American words as Sox,Lite or Thru. Here we would probably write liter or center but in England they are spelled litre and centre.England still uses the original French spelling whereas the Americans have changed it with time. I generally write centre or litre since I grew up in Quebec and there is less of an American influence than in the rest of Canada.

          “Wanting is often more pleasurable than having.It is not logical but it is often true.” – Spock

      • Sean Bonjovi says:

        For proper spelling of Canadian English refer to the Oxford Canadian Dictionary.

        “Andrei Kostitsyn is a better hockey player than Max Pacioretty”
        - Sean Bonjovi

        • longbow says:

          That’s fine too,just stay away from the Webster !

          “Wanting is often more pleasurable than having.It is not logical but it is often true.” – Spock

  24. krob1000 says:

    so Nashville is waaay under the cap, they have a top six maybe top 3 player in Radulov who doesn;t want to play with them. Hmmm…..how about Gomez straight up for Radulov….if we can talk to him first. Nashville saves real dollars over the alst two years, they get something for an asset that is just losing value and not helping them, they get to the cap floor or thereabouts. We get a Russian who may be able to be comfortable with Markov and now Emelin coming over. We have Cammi who can play center, we have Deharnais and Eller looks good to go for the start of the season. At that point we would have a ton of money to fill holes if need be (if Cammi, eller and desharnais all failed)

  25. OK that’s enough airplane talk. Here’s some insight on a couple of the new Habs/Bulldogs.

    ___________________________________________

    Eyes on The Prize! and on Twitter

  26. Un Canadien errant says:

    I like the Jets’ logo, just wish the plane outline had been more of a Sabre jet outline, to kind of go with the Rocketeer look, a more classic plane to match the classic look.

    ———————————
    For my training camp surprise, I want the second coming of Mike McPhee. And maybe Kent Carlson.

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

  27. boing007 says:

    Richard R
    Gorges was paid too much. 1.8 at the most. Maybe less.

  28. HabFarmer says:

    I like the Jets logo actually. I’m a Winnipeg and Habs fan and I got to say that I like the simple clean look. Winnipegers are proud Canadians and associate with the military. Having family in the service, I have nothing wrong with that.

    Part of the problem is that there is no sweater with it, which I think will be the real test in a way.

  29. adamkennelly says:

    Columbus making major roster changes. How bout PG help em out a bit. AK and Webber for Umberger and Jarred Boll = much better Habs teams going into this year. Do it.

  30. Castor says:

    Am I the only one who like the Jets’ logo? I think it’s great to tribute the RCAF while still having something that matches your team name. Better than the “Avalanche” or The “Thrashers”

  31. BobDobbs says:

    If Gorges has many ‘intangibles’ in terms of his positive relationship with other players and his leadership role, then if he doesn’t want to be in Montreal then he wouldn’t express these ‘intangibles’ as much as if he were on his ideal team were Montreal to sign him long-term, and if he does want to be in Montreal then he’ll likely re-sign after this one-year contract. Let’s be clear, lots of the kind of intangibles we’re talking about that potentially raise Gorges’ value are team-specific, which means in other words they pertain to his stay in Montreal, and with other teams it would be a different story. If these intangibles were only ever an illusion, then this has always been the case and not just become so suddenly today with the signing of the new contract. Furthermore to appease the nay-sayers, it’s worth considering that Gauthier may have signed Gorges to a one-year deal simply to show Gorges the greatest possible degree of honestly and respect, considering after all that it may have been to Gorges’ financial detriment to have signed a long-term deal at this time in his career compared to a year from now.

  32. cuzzie says:

    I guess that Winnipeg must be in Canada. With all those Maple Leafs it must be for the American viewers not to confuse them with Winnepeg Alaska.

    Stay Thirsty My Friends!

  33. veryhabby says:

    alot of assumptions on how PG messed up here….but let’s assume the other way too.
    ..maybe Gorges wanted too many years
    …maybe Gorges wanted too much money
    …maybe Gorges wanted to wait to see what his value would be after an healthy season instead of settling for this year’s value

    Remember it takes 2 to negoiate. what if Gorges wanted a 5 yr- 3.75-4.25 cap hit? We will never know. What we do know is that BOTH sides agreed on $2.5M one year deal with habs having first dibs on him in off season. So Gorges is banking that Habs will see he is worth what he said he was, and still get the money he was looking for. And Habs get the time to see if Yemelen/Diaz/Weber can be a top 4 dman.

    • Mr. Biter says:

      This is the type of deal they should have done with AM not JG. AM’s numerous surgeries and that his is a more “skilled ” d-man is more of a worry (another injury or severe loss of speed and agility) than JG who is a more stay at home d-man. JG as well as he plays will never become a $4M per season d-man.
      BTW where is the beef we needed to protect our skill players. We’re smaller than we were last year and still have to play the broons. another fearless prediction. Last year I correctly predicted (week before and every day till the game) that if we did not bring up some muscle and were well ahead of the Broons in the game after the “beatdown in Beantown’ they were going to take out one of our skill players and Max was the one and there was no retaliation. The Broons know we were their toughest series in the playoffs and unless someone is brought in to “Police the Ice for us” AM will not last the 1st. game vs. the Broons whi will go out of their way to finish his career.

      Mr. Biter

      • GenerationYHabs says:

        First off, Markov playing at half his potential is still worth more to the team then a healthy Gorges. Markov’s skillset is much more difficult to replace then a defensive D with no offensive upside.

        Secondly how exactly are we “smaller then last year”?

        • Bugs says:

          Disagree.
          100% Gorges is more efficient than 50% Markov.
          Pousse, mais pousse égal, as we say.

          Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

          • GenerationYHabs says:

            Ok maybe that was a bit of a stretch.
            But the point is still that the reward for Markov is still way worth the risk, where as in Gorges case (as much as I do like the guy) it isn’t as much.

  34. Ian Cobb says:

    I read here for an hour, now it is back into the pool to soak.

  35. Stev.R says:

    I hate it when the media says stuff like Josh Gorges is Carey Price’s best friend on the team. It’s not like these two are butt buddies like the Sedins. Everyone’s friends with everybody. And if not then it doesn’t really affect much does it

  36. Here is a look at what the lines could look like when the season starts?

    1st line – Cole – Plekanec – Cammalleri

    Markov – Subban

    2nd line – Pacioretty – Gomez – Gionta

    Gill – Gorges

    3rd line – AK46 – Eller(LTIR) / DD – Darche

    Yemelin – Weber/Spacek

    4th line – Moen – Engqvist – White

    Goalies : Price – Budaj

    Spares : Blunden – Willsie – Berger – Palushaj

  37. Bugs says:

    So what did Winehouse die of, ya think?
    Fell off a horse? Drowned in a lake? Assassinated by the Jewish Mafia?
    Omg, we may never KNOW!!!

    Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

  38. DrA says:

    PG is pragmatic to the max.
    So, 1 year is better than going to arbitration.
    No?

  39. smiler2729 says:

    That new Winnipeg Jets logo is brutal…

    “If the Bruins played the Taliban, I’d root for the Taliban”

    • thehabsfan29 says:

      i agree

      very disappointed that they chose a logo that looks so plain and dull.

      • GrimJim says:

        And yet at the Jets store in Winnipeg, they expect to sell-out of new logo merch by the end of today.
        Personally, I like the rondelle and the arm patch (Dad was RCAF) but the wordmark is pretty lame…

    • Bugs says:

      Shovin that maple leaf down our throats a little too much for my taste.
      “Hey, don’t forget, everybody, we’re a CANADIAN team! Canadian as in: from Canada! With all the Canadiana that that implies, don’t forget! Ok? CANADA!!! Don’t forget that!”

      Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

    • G-Man says:

      What did you expect them to use?
      They could have done a lot worse.
      By associating with the RCAF tradition in Manitoba, they have made a smart move.
      There are a lot of ugly hockey team logos I have seen. The new Jets logo is far from the worst.

      • Bugs says:

        Straight-up question: Is their new logo better than their old logo?
        If the answer is no, then they’re Mickey Mouse already. PURPOSEFULLY working backwards.
        …like some posters here who INSIST on having Eller on the 3rd and Dezzy on the 4th when drawin up their lines for example…

        Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

        • JD_ says:

          Depends on how you look at their old logo.

          Cause, you know, context is everythin’.

          Crotch pizza anyone?

          • Bugs says:

            I just think that with a JET as a logo, it shouldn’t be too hard to come up with somethin uber-neo-superflash-modern-like.
            And in my opinion, their new logo isn’t that at all.
            So they may as well have stayed with their old one which was just fine far as I’m concerned.
            But hey, they wanna sell shirts, I get it.
            But…it coulda been way more flash I think.

            Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

  40. thehabsfan29 says:

    Prospal to CBJ

    1 yr/1.75

  41. Rad says:

    You can’t ever over-estimate “heart” — and Josh Gorjes has that elusive quality in spades. He reminds me a lot of Kevin Lowe, former defenseman for Edmonton in the heyday of the Oiler dynasty. With players like Gretzky, Messier, Kurri, Coffey, and Fuhr, Lowe was one of their heart and soul players, an assistant captain who played through pain and injuries, night in and night out. Lowe was neither big nor flashy, but he won 5 Stanley Cups, was a leader, well-liked and respected by all. Lowe of course went on to become captain and later GM of that same Oiler team. I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if Josh one day becomes a captain and/or GM in this league.

    I am glad the Habs re-signed Josh Gorjes, and I hope he stays with the team for years to come.

  42. HardHabits says:

    You got to hand it to PG. He’s got stones.

    • HabFab says:

      Being smart. He has too many question marks with this team;
      - 6 players coming off surgery/major injuries
      - 6 players with 1 or less years NHL experience
      - 2 players coming over from Europe having not played a game in the AHL let alone NHL.

      PRUDENT

      Okay, more like brass monkey’s!!

      • HardHabits says:

        It’s a relatively young and dynamic team. A little healthy competition means there is depth and it helps to eliminate complacency. Moving forward it can be called prudent, or it can be called cunning and calculated. Either way it works for me.

        • FishOutOfWater says:

          i really like this team! theres sooo much character everywhere u look. all the players are so charming i cant help but smile at their shining faces each time i see them. all those videos ease the wait till october. they never cease to make me laugh

  43. HabFab says:

    Tight race between PK and Lars.

    http://www.nhl.com/ptth/TeamPollPopPage.htm?pid=13966&choiceId=58309&ip=true

    I see Bugs hasn’t been voting.

    • Duracell3 says:

      I’d have to go with Eller…I think PK has more improvement possibly, but its mostly consistency, Eller has a world of possibilities, positive, negative, and stagnation.

  44. HabFab says:

    For all non Twitter users like me;

    See link below to Paul Bissonnete’s (Coyotes) recommended Baby Powder brand to PK so that he may remain cool and dry while being challenged tonight (must have some moves) on the wedding dance floor by Pacioretty’s buds.

    http://yfrog.com/kfv2vvzj

    • JayBee says:

      I don’t get it.

      • HabFab says:

        Sorry, your preferred brand?
        Okay after the sarcasm…
        - Pacioretty getting married today, PK is a guest.
        - Max twittered PK earlier that he better have his best moves ready for the dance floor as his buds were going to challenge him.
        - PK was wondering how he would keep cool and dry in this heat.
        - Bissonnette told him to use Baby Powder.
        - this AM sent this brand link, serious or not brand name is funny! PK’s response was “haha”

        Memo to self: find a frigging life!

  45. JayBee says:

    Bill J -

    Hockey is a business. Price may not like the way Gorges was treated, but that should and will not figure into his negotiations.

    Gorges got a raise from 1.1M to 2.5M after missing half the season with a serious knee injury. You don’t think he got a fair deal?

    If Price likes the direction of the team, term and money, he will sign an extension. Gorges will be furthest from his mind. Just look at the Jagr, Philly situation. He chose to play for a winner over playing with a good friend of his.

    • HardHabits says:

      This is hockey not As the World Turns!

    • Bill J says:

      I hope so. I was not making a big deal of it, but it could affect it. Wether you like it or not. It’s common.

      Doesn’t mean it will be the case with Price… :)

      • JayBee says:

        Common? Any examples?

        • Bill J says:

          I mean common that players would consider how friends are treated, not to say I think Gorges was treated badly. Really not into debating this to death here.

          Players are human like us, yes they are professionals and get paid. And yes the money, and winning atmosphere is most important. But what I am implying is, a player chooses based on the right mix, familiarity is also important.

          An example, that is not even two players… Brad Richards & Tortorella. Familiarity and chemistry.

          I agree with you btw, that Price is very likely not going to be affected, I just said that it can factor into it, and we as fans ultimately do not know to what extent.

          Just my opinion, as you are entitled to yours… ;)

  46. Habs fan in SF says:

    whoah. amy winehouse is dead. dang. super talented, but she couldn’t handle her stuff. kinda have a soft spot for people with substance abuse problems. in hockey can’t forget john kordic, bob probert, theo fleury, etc.

  47. rogus says:

    Gorges is signed, the team is set. 1 year might seem weird to some, but both sides we’re looking for something that the other side couldn’t deliver…so they met in the middle and will likely take the season to see how things pan out with the knee. If Gorges was upset by the number, he would have went to arbitration.

    Personally, I think a lot of people are really over rating Gorges. He is (at best) a #4 d man on this team, and that is a slight to Spacek. If Yemelin sticks with the team, he would be paired with Markov for obvious reasons, which would take Gorges out of the top 4. 2.5M for a bottom pair d man is not out of line, if not a little high. Perhaps the contract is 1 year so PG can get the most out of Gorges, while analyzing the young guns coming up. There is a wealth of young d-men in the system, most of which have much more upside than Gorges. To everyone that says Gorges is “a leader in the room”, have you ever been in the room? How do you know? Another consideration is that Gorges just isn’t as good as many people on here think. He has had the benefit of having Markov (who could make even Komisarek look good), and Hal Gill as partners. He is an average sized player, that doesn’t play bigger than his size (although he does block shots), isn’t blazingly fast, is not a force in front of the net, and has zero intimidation factor. So why all the hype? Because he is Price’s buddy, and we have to sign Gorges to a big, fat long term contract to appease Carey? We should be glad that someone running this team doesn’t think that way, or there wouldn’t be $$$ to sign Price when the time comes.

  48. habs001 says:

    right now in the east , at least on paper, there is no team that stands head and shoulders above the 10 top playoff contenders..i suspect that whoever the habs play in the first round it will be a toss up series…this can chance if teams have players that have breakout years and if teams pick up major rental impact players at the trade deadline…reality is the habs roster right now is as much of a cup contender as at least 16 other teams…

  49. jon514 says:

    Not sure what Gauthier’s angle is here, but you can be sure he has one. Does anyone know a good list of upcoming UFA defensemen in 2012? If there are a ton of guys available, it might bring the value of Gorges on the open market down. Maybe Gauthier is aware of this, and is hedging his bets?

    “Let’s be clear on the facts…”

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      Some solid names coming up, but whether or not they are not extended is another matter. It’s like every year, Free agency looks good, than everyone puts their good players on new extensions and it gets weaker than Burke’s bluster.

      - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

      • jon514 says:

        You’re right, but we can do the same… Don’t forget, Spacek’s 3.8 million comes off the books next year too.

        “Let’s be clear on the facts…”

    • TorontoHabsFan says:

      http://capgeek.com/free_agents.php?year_id=2012&team_id=-1&position_id=D&fa_type_id=2

      You’re right – it is a very deep UFA pool for top pairing and mid-level defencemen.

      • DearyLeary says:

        That list is awful.

        For starters: in 13-14 Perry, Getzlaf, and Crosby are all slated to be UFA.

        There are others that I listed below. Now not all of them will make it to UFA, but some of them will, and mark my words: when Gomez’s paid salary goes down, and his cap hit stays the same, he will be movable, and that gives us a huge chunk of cash to throw at a top tier player to give an offensive centerpiece to make a real push at a Cup.

        • TorontoHabsFan says:

          I dunno, for mid-level defencemen I thought it was pretty deep. I count at least a dozen guys that will be in as much demand as Gorges will:

          Liles
          Wideman
          Boychuk
          Coburn
          Carle
          Stuart
          Sauer
          Foster
          Roszival
          Zanon
          Tyutin
          Jackman
          Beauchemin
          Hunwick
          Jurcina
          Gleason

          And for big name guys there’s:

          Burns
          Suter
          Kronwall

          Not to say that all of the players on the first list are better than Gorges (although some are), but if we’re talking about guys to fill in the 3-4 slot on D – then there are lots of names (potentially) out there.

          • DearyLeary says:

            By that time Tinordi and Beaulieu should be competing for a spot. I love Gorges, and he’s a good piece that you can win with on your team, but he’ll never put a team over the top.

            The money we save from moving Gomez, and bringing in young impact type defensemen will allow us to land that 1A type forward we’ve been craving for oh so long.

      • jon514 says:

        I can see Gauthier in a power position with money to spend. With Gorges and Gill’s salaries off the books, he can promote guys internally, retool, or bring back the same players at a modest increase. Gorges in a year will not command more than 3.5/season even if he performs well… Gauthier has time to make a decision and he intends to use it.

        “Let’s be clear on the facts…”

      • Rad says:

        Does Sheldon Souray have an evil twin? His name appears twice on that list.

  50. Chips says:

    This deal would seem to indicate to me that the medical staff isn’t convinced about that knee. Playing on it for years may have done some real damage to it. Josh was likely asking for more $$ than Gauthier wanted to pay for his UFA years, considering the knee. In the end, he is relatively easily replaceable, which doesn’t make for a very strong negotiating position.

    25 in 2012

  51. homerbowen says:

    Another problem with having a Gomez salary on the books is others looking to cash in as well, it’s only natural. Unless we can move Gomez to another team (cap starved) we will be dealing with this again. If he’s not traded and not producing substantail numbers by Christmas he hould be sent to Hamilton.
    I like Josh Gorges, however, he will never be a points player, is small and easily pushed around. If he feels he is worth much more than he is getting now then trade him before the year is over as I’m sure there would be takers willing to overpay.

  52. TorontoHabsFan says:

    I was under the impression that most teams carry 13 forwards, 7 defencemen, and 2 goalies – 1 less than the NHL mandated maximum of 23 players.

    If so, that means we still have one more roster spot to fill – a bottom 6 forward.

    The headline is a bit confusing, no?

    • Mike D says:

      The 13th forward isn’t likely to be anyone significant. Probably a 4th line Center who will either come from Hamilton or be a summer UFA signing, and make between league minimum to max 1.25mil a year.

      Sort of like Halpern last summer.

      - Honestly yours

      • TorontoHabsFan says:

        Yeah, I tend to agree – either someone like Palushaj or Engqvist from Hamilton, or someone like JP Dumont from the UFA list.

        Still though, the roster isn’t exactly “set” :D

        • Mike D says:

          I wouldn’t mind experimenting with guys like Dumont, Zherdev or similar risk/reward types, but only if it was a 1 year deal. I wouldn’t even care if we overpaid given the cap space we have available.

          - Honestly yours

          • TorontoHabsFan says:

            Yes, I agree. It important to remember that the $5m we have in space does not roll over into next season. Whether we have a player making that salary for 1 season or nobody making it – it won’t affect the cap next year.

            I wonder if it would be better to save the money for a big name at the deadline. $5m in cap space can pay for a mighty big pro-rated salary…something like a Hemsky perhaps?

          • cuzzie says:

            Hemsky sucks. Stop watching Sportsnet.

            Stay Thirsty My Friends!

  53. cuzzie says:

    What dya think Gorges for Alex Burrows.

    Stay Thirsty My Friends!

  54. Neutral says:

    The roster is set and we haven’t even had a training camp yet. that pretty much explains why we haven’t won a stanley cup in 18 years…


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