Canadiens should get a good one at three

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On June 22 in Pittsburgh, the Canadiens will have the third pick in the first round of the NHL draft.
This will be their highest draft position since 1980, when the Canadiens used the first overall pick to select Doug Wickenheiser.
It didn’t turn out well.

Breaking news: Super agent Pat Brisson, whose client list includes Sidney Crosby, has dropped out of consideration for the Canadiens’ vacant general manager position.

Since the first NHL draft in 1963, the Canadiens have had the third pick only once.

In 1968, they selected Jim Pritchard, a 5’9″, 175-lb. defenceman who played his junior hockey in Winnipeg.

He never played a game in the NHL.

Picking third overall in the 2000 draft, the Minnesota Wild selected Marion Gaborik, after the Islanders drafted Rick DiPietro first and Atlanta picked Dany Heatley.

Chicago took Jonathan Toews third overall in 2006, and Colorado snared Matt Duchene third in 2009.

In 1999, Vancouver used the third pick to select Henrik Sedin … after picking twin brother Daniel with Pick 2 … after Atlanta wasted the top pick on Patrik Stefan.

Canadiens fans will recall Ottawa’s pick in the 1994 third spot: Radek Bonk.

In 1991, the Devils got the great Scott Niedermayer at third.

Biggest third-pick bust?

In 2001, Tampa Bay drafted massive Russian Alexander Svitov. He played 186 games with the Lightning and Columbus, scoring 13 goals and spending 229 minutes in the penalty box before going home to play in the KHL. Svitov is the player who caved in Alexei Emelin’s face in a fight.

In the most recent two drafts, Florida had had the number three pick and took Erik Gudbranson in 2010 and Jonathan Huberdeau last June.

On the TSN Draft Lottery Draw show, former Calgary general manager Craig Button predicted the Canadiens would select Mikhail Grigorenko, a 6’3″, 200-lb. centre who plays for the Quebec Remparts of the QMJHL.

His coach in QC is Patrick Roy, whose name keeps popping up in speculation about vacancies in the Canadiens’ front office and behind the bench.

Here at HIO, we’re concerned by reports that Grigorenko may be a bit of a dog, intensity-wise.

HIO’s director of Amateur Scouting and Rumour Development, Otto Yerass, likes Alex Galchenyuk, consensus number one Nail Yakupov’s teammate on the Sarnia Sting.

We also like Filip Forsberg. The Canadiens haven’t had a great Swede since Mats Naslund. Andreas Engqvist doesn’t count.

364 Comments

  1. gerrybell says:

    we have 3 centre men already that will all be under long term contracts soon. we have a gapping whole on the LW on the 2nd line – seems like Forsberg would be the right fit. all i keep hearing about gregs is he takes nights off — just what we need.

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    • Arrow77 says:

      We have three but none of them will ever be fit to play on a first line. I don’t know if Grigorenko is our guy but a #1 center should be our top priority, well before a left wing.

  2. thehabs21 says:

    NOT SURE IF YOU MISSED THAT DANGLE AT 3:05 ON HIS VIDEO

  3. thehabs21 says:

    GO WITH Galchenyuk the kid is an elite player i saw a few playoff games hes back and looked great setting up YAKUPOV all day. Or make a trade for number 1 pick

  4. framptunes says:

    Have watched GRIGORENKO for a couple games in Halifax and he has showed nothing to make me want to see him in a Habs jersey.

  5. vince8_31 says:

    MIKHAL GRIGORENKO

    he is everything the habs need.
    also makes pleks expendable, free up some cap room and allows eller to have a year trail as a number 1/2 centre

  6. jkm77 says:

    Go Filip Go!

    John Marshall

  7. TG_Dave says:

    I would go for Forsberg; the guy is big, he is tough, he can check, he can play centre or wing, he has a great attitude, and best of all, he is very skilled. From what I’ve read/seen this guy looks like the perfect 2nd line centre. I’ve been to a few Remparts games this year and seen Grigs play. Maybe it was just the games I went to, but although you can see he has tremendous skill, the guy just doesn’t seem very driven. My gut feeling is that Grigs is the type of guy that will tear up the regular season, while Forsberg is the type of player that you want on your team in the playoffs.

    Either way, I trust Timmons’ judgement more than my own, but I would certainly be happy as a clam if we end up with the big Swede.

  8. FanCritic says:

    I’ll wait to see them play in the NHL before I make a comment. that’s where real men play…. all this trade talk for kids that’s never played an NHL game. no comment.

    • jkm77 says:

      Despite his age, Forsberg is already considered one of Sweden’s rising stars. He had 8 goals and 9 assists in 43 games with Leksand in the Swedish Elite League playing against men, not teenagers his own age, and didn’t look out of place. from thestar.com

      John Marshall

    • Habspark says:

      Quite right FC… Goodness knows what the pre-NHL hype over any past or present NHL star ever chosen in the top three was ever about. Let’s test them out on various NHL teams for a few years and then take our pick! FC, I’m writing to Mr Molson now; and Brian Burke hang up your blazer, FC’s the new kid in town and he’s headed our way to christen us the Montreal Flora and Fauna!

  9. Habfan29 says:

    Montreal should be going after Radek Faksa…..

    • junyab says:

      “Going after”? I think you mean “pick”. “Going after” (him) implies they would need to make a strategic move to have a chance at him, instead of just picking him 3rd overall.

      I live in KW, and think Faksa is great, but he’s not third overall material.

  10. So how does Timmins make such a mistake with David Fisher (who I can’t find any info. on) while everyone thinks he is doing such a marvelous job? Then, our organization trades away our prospects and we end up with a Bulldogs team that is hampered by no depth, lack of skill and a parent team that is not much better?

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    • Mattyleg says:

      Every scout misses.
      Have a look at the Draft history.
      We’ve done relatively well with our first two round picks.
      Overall I think that Timmins has done a good job.
      Plus, apart from MacDonagh I can’t think of any prospects that we’ve traded that we really miss.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Cal says:

      Timmins is so bad that he has the most players drafted playing in the NHL. Hampered by no top 10 picks save 1 since 2003, he has done remarkably well.
      It is not up to Timmins to develop and retain these draft picks.

    • steve17 says:

      If you look at the prospects that will make the jump to Hamilton over the next 2 seasons, the cupboards aren’t exactly bare! It ws Gainey that “gave” away McDonough. Imagine him with Subban right now! Every team misses with picks more often than they hit a home run. Taking AK46 was also a mistake in hindsight, not just Fischer!

      Habfan17

    • veryhabby says:

      oldschool…Timmins has done a very fine job. The problem is that not only did the habs trade away McD (who with our roster probably would have been a rookie this year with the habs), but they also traded away our 1st and a 2nd for 40 game man Tanguay (that we didn’t even chose to resign). That 1st rounder would be one year ahead of LL. So this year we would have had that 1st rounder we traded, LL, that 2nd rounder we traded, and maybe McD all in Hamilton.

      Those 4 players would have made a difference in Hamilton this year. Instead all the Dogs had was what 40 games of LL? So it’s hard to blame Timmons for the Dogs poor roster this year. Wait till next year when Beaulieu, Tinordi, Gallagher, Kristo (maybe) all picked by Timmons join the Dogs

    • neumann103 says:

      It is spelled Fischer with a “c” which may have hurt your search.

      Playing with Florida Everblades of the ECHL

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Fischer_%28ice_hockey%29

      http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=95353

      “Et le but!”

    • SuperHabFan says:

      Our bulldogs team is hampered by no depth because they’re all playing on the bloody canadiens. open your eyes. We do have some pretty decent older prospects in juniors and college making the jump next year.

  11. LafleurGuy says:

    Forsberg is large for 18 years of age but whereas the other prospects have shown goal scoring ability, he had 8G 9A in 43 games with Leksands IF in the Swedish Elite Hockey League. True he is playing with men, but they are not as good as NHL players.

    Further info, a year earlier he had 21G 19A in 36 games with the Leksands under 20 team.

    “May you live in interesting times.”

  12. Natty-Dread says:

    I can’t believe how many people are floating ridiculous trades involving PK. Thats some Eklund foolishness right there. PK had a sick season given where he was last year.

    People who say Ryan White is garbage don’t know what they are talking about. And Edmonton has absolutely no reason to draft Nail, they need D desperately.

    • LafleurGuy says:

      premium value tradeable asset

      “May you live in interesting times.”

    • Mattyleg says:

      Okay, here:
      PK (probably peaked too early, poison in the room, and going to be worth more than his skill-set in the next couple of years)
      Price (a glorified #2 goalie with motivation issues)
      DD (He’s not an NHL forward)
      Plekanec (do I even need to explain how terrible this guy is/was/will always be?)
      White (garbage)

      for
      The Oilers’ #1 pick and Devan Dubnyk.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Agreed on all points except that Edmonton actually do have some good D prospects. They got Teubert and Klefbom from the Penner trade (boy did LA get robbed).


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  13. Mattyleg says:

    SO, my Birthday Wish came true last night.

    I got a pony.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  14. Marc10 says:

    Does anyone here seriously think they can project how these kids will turn out…? Chill guys, chill…

    When Stamkos got picked first, they described his ceiling as Stevie Y… Well he’s hit that and then some. But it’s far from always the case. As I recall, the draft class was average… and look at how Lil Steven turned out.

    Skinner was projected as a second rounder going 32-33. They picked him 8th and in two years, he’s become the best player on his club (with all due respect to Eric Staal…) Did anyone really see that coming in their wildest dreams…? Maybe a scout in Carolina…

    And remember when we took Max ahead of David Perron. It took a while before Max morphed into exactly the kind of player we needed. A whole bunch of teams missed Max in that draft.

    And PK… He was on Team Canada and won a gold medal, but all eyes were on Tavares. Well guess what, if you had to pick who will have the greatest impact of the two, it’s a lot closer than it should be… And frankly, on what I’ve seen on the ice, if PK puts it all together, he’ll eat Tavares’ lunch (and that kid is one solid player!)

    I’m just going to trust Timmins on this one. He’s hit so many good picks (with the exception of David Fisc… gag, gag… just threw up in my mouth!)

    PK, Max, Jaro, McDonaugh, Price… I have no doubt if he’s given a Top 3 player, Trevor Timmins is going to find an NHL ready kid if he’s available with the right skill set to succeed. I’m not the least bit worried about that – weak draft year or not. If I’m Columbus, I’d be worried. Those guys are absolutely clueless.

    Now if we could only find a GM that manages our NHL ready assets like Timmins drafts… We’d be cooking with gas!

    Go Timmah!

    • petefleet says:

      I stopped reading after you said Stamkos had surpassed Yzerman. Shake your head and review the hall of fame centre’s career one more time.

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      • Marc10 says:

        He’s not as complete a player, you’re right. But he’s a better scorer and that’s something.

        60 goals today is 70 in Stevie Y’s era…

        And I’m not taking anything away from the great man. Stamkos has to play at that level for 10 years and then follow that up with another 10 years on the second/third line and win a couple of cups along the way…

        • Habsrule1 says:

          I think it’s quite the opposite. Scoring was much more difficult with the red line and all the clutching and grabbing going on.

          Go Habs Go!!

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          • Kooch7800 says:

            I agree it isn’t apples to apples but Stamkos has great vision and one heck of a shot. That can’t be taught.

            Goalies were not as good back then either though.

            Look at Stevie Y’s goal in Overtime where he lets a slapper go from the Blue line and wins the game…..that wouldn’t happen anymore

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    • LafleurGuy says:

      Very good points. In 2006, Eric Johnson, Jordan Staal, and Jonathan Toews were excellent top 3 picks, but Phillie found Claude Giroux at no. 22 whereas Timmins found David Fisher at no. 20.

      “May you live in interesting times.”

      • Habsrule1 says:

        Weak goals still happen regularly. The goalies are not really much better. They just have bigger equipment.

        Tough to compare though. I agree. I just think saying anyone would score 92, for example, like Gretzky did “cause it was easier back then” is completely false.

        Go Habs Go!!

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    • Lafrich says:

      Dude, you are out of your mind with the Stamkos Yzerman talk. Firstly, who would ever describe Stevie Y as a ceiling?!?! A ceiling like that is the jackpot!
      Secondly, very simply, he has NOT surpassed Stevie Y as a scorer or anything else.
      From 88-93, high-scoring era or not, he scored 50 (in 64 games), 65 (80 games), 62 (79 games), 51 (80 games), 45 (79 games), 58 (84 games).

  15. LafleurGuy says:

    Last four #3 picks were Jonthan Huberdeau, Erik Gudbranson, Matt Duchene, and Zack Bogosian.

    Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Gabriel Landeskog, Huberdeau, Taylor Hall, Tyler Seguin, Gudbranson, John Tavares, Viktor Hedman, Duchene, Steven Stamkos, Drew Doughty, Bogosian, are the top 3 picks from the previous 4 drafts. 8 forwards, 4 D-men. Someone in the HIO faculty can state how many of these 12 were in the All-Star game.

    “May you live in interesting times.”

  16. Stormin says:

    Getting Yakupov and Galchenyuk very intriguing, would be awesome and they love playing together. maybe a package with Beaulieu, Weber, Bourque and one or 2 of our 3 second round picks in 2013 a very strong draft year, could be a doable package without including Subban in any deal for Edm 1st pick
    Then Select Local Pointe Claire boy Mike Matheson with #33 pick overall to replace Beaulieu,

  17. jon514 says:

    I’m actually really happy about the return we got for Hal Gill. One of the few trades I actually believe Gauthier pulled off a win. That being said, anyone else wishing Gill were around to mentor Tinordi?

    • steve17 says:

      I’d rather have Robinson as an assistant coach to mentor the defence!

      Habfan17

      • jon514 says:

        Remember when Komisarek was good and he played for the habs? At one point he was injured and the defensive coach was missing, so they put him in a suit and he was defensive coach? Cornball but classic!

        At the time I thought he was actually making our D better, but it must have just been that they were better for having taken him out of the lineup.

    • LA Loyalist says:

      PK especially outgrew Gill (not to diminish what Gill did).

      Maybe in the new regime sincere overtures can be made to Larry Robinson. Boy, would that be nice.

  18. Ali says:

    Chemistry is a fickle thing. Everyone clamoring to trade Pleks because Desharnais has had an impressive season and has supposedly made him expendable need to remember that the Kovalev – Pleks – AK46 line couldn’t recreate their magic the following season. Pleks is one of our most valuable forwards, I would be more willing to trade/replace Desharnais than him.

  19. Ian Cobb says:

    JUST ME! Defense is very much needed my friend! Markov may not be able to be our # 1 in the future. After PK we have 5 D that are all 5th 6th and 7th D. We do not have any D that can intimidate around our net or quarter back the power play. We have a bunch of rookies filling in for now! I think we will go for the best possible defense man first. But we will pick up 3 or 4 kids in the draft this year that will help us down the road in a few years.

  20. petefleet says:

    How about this?

    The Habs pretty much know who the top 3 are. Nail will go to EDM for sure and the next 2 guys have some question marks on them in terms of health and heart. Put feelers out to the other GMs to trade down. There may be a Mike Milbury out there waiting for a call. The Habs could end up with 2 first pounders with one being in the top ten. From everything I’ve read, the 9 guys below Nail are pretty much even anyway. The Habs increase their odds of landing a fish not a rubber boot.
    Also, don’t trade current assets. Build on what we have and jetison the baggage (Gomez, Nokia, Campoli (who’s last game was his best this year), White and Weber).

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    • Ali says:

      Ryan White is excess baggage?

      • petefleet says:

        Yup. Tell me what you’ve seen from him that you can’t find in Brad Staubitz or Mike Blunden. What’s he got that the Habs can’t do without?

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        • Ali says:

          Staubitz can’t play more than 5 minutes a game. White is a legit third liner who can pot 10 goals a year. Blunden skating is worse than both those guys.

  21. blu_blanc_rouge says:

    The status of Markov may be correct, but Mitch Melnick?? Really.
    .he’s a radio host for crying out loud, his opinion is no different then mine or any other poster on here…none of us have played the game an any high level

    • Propwash says:

      Plus Markov has the summer to keep working on his knee and make it stronger.

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  22. rhino514 says:

    According to Mitch Melnick, Markov can no longer skate nor turn as he used to.
    He is doubtless a leader on the team , but what of his future on-ice production? So the 5.75 million contract turns out to be a huge mistake?

    • smiler2729 says:

      Ya think?

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    • sanman_11 says:

      Anything according to Melnick doesn’t mean much. Did he mention that when a player comes off of surgery like that and has an extended rehab they usually have to learn to skate differently? Most of the time that happens in training camp. Markov didn’t have that. This happens a lot with players coming off of a long absence (except maybe Crosby). Give the guy the summer and a real training camp then lets here what Mitch “I talk out of both sides of my mouth but never ask hard questions in front of the Montreal brass” has to say.

      I’m a HABS fan not a Leaf blower.

  23. JUST ME says:

    We need goals. We need offense. Our D is in good shape ,penalty kill,youngsters,previous draft choices.
    Whoever they pick must be picked towards an offensive state of mind. Third place is perfect.Should not give up any assets to pick higher. Let them come to us.

    I am reading here trade P.K. ,trade D.D.,trade Plek. Are you out of your mind ? For once we have a choice with whom we can build ,the highest rank in 30 years for the habs .

    Just replace those AHL players like Blunden ,White,Palujah, Dumont.Get rid of replacement assets like Campoli,Nikolaienen and we will be O.K.

    • DorvalTony says:

      Our defense is our greatest weakness, even ahead of scoring. Small, soft, nobody’s been afraid to stand in front of our net since the Chelios-Ludwig era. Gorges would kiss them to death. And don’t get me started on Kaberle, Diaz, St-Denis, Weber, Campoli etc. They belong on a women’s team.

      Thanks for listening, Geoff Molson.

      • smiler2729 says:

        Greatest weakness, eh?

        There are defencemen in the system (Beaulieu, Tinordi) but there’s not much offense so duh, we need forwards who can produce or do ya prefer losing by one goal every game?

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        • jon514 says:

          You’re both right. If Tinordi, Baulieu and Ellis all trasition right, they will be awesome replacements for Weber, Diaz, Campoli. No team should ice more than 1 defensemen in a pairing under 200lbs. We’ve been doing it all year. What can Diaz or Weber be expected to do with Lucic standing in front of Price? Price being a pretty big guy will have to clear his crease himself which is dumb.

          • chemic says:

            how about some decent coaching with some in-game realigments? how about some balanced lines on our coaching? putting kaberle and diaz out togehter is just nonsens and its no surprise that they both failed in this situation. Martin was just awful in this things and RC was no piece better.

            i completly agree on letting Weber and Campoli walk, despite the fact that it was nonsens too to put Weber on a fourth line.
            Diaz however is worth a second shoot but only if he could put up some weight over the summer. if not, let him go back to switzerland.

      • steve17 says:

        There are some players in the system who bring both. Pateryn is one of those. Ellis will be a good one and Dietz and Didier also bring a physical aspect. Montreal can sign or trade for a mean 5 or 6 d-man if need be. Beaulieu and Bennett bring offence and more size. Nash would have made the team if not for his shoulder injury. I do think that Weber, Diaz, Campoli and Kaberle need to go

        Habfan17

      • wd40 says:

        I dunno man, we had 1 line that was responsible for something like 40% of all scoring for the team, and I believe we finished 20th in goals per game. I’m not arguing that our D struggled this season, but I’d like to see some more offence. Gorges and PK is a stud, and to your point, I think we became a much tougher team with White and Staubitz.. i hope we keep them.

      • Marc10 says:

        Hey for once I agree with DT!

        At present time, that is absolutely the case. We need two big time D men assuming Markov returns to form.

        Given our Kab issues – and even if we bury Kabs and Gomer – it’s going to be tough landing a #3 and a #4 shutdown pair. That’s our GM’s biggest challenge… and we need to do that while finding two forwards up front to replace Cams and AK.

        That’s some David Copperfield magic right there! Someone pulls that off without sacrificing the future and you know we have a GM for the next 10 years…

    • steve17 says:

      I think the Habs should take their pick and hold off on trades until the free agency.

      There are a couple of players the Habs could target, Parise, Radulov, Suter and Justin Shultz. Once the smoke clears and the valuable free agents are signed, the Habs could look at making trades.

      If the Habs could get one of these forwards and one of the defence, then they could look at making some minor moves. If they don’t get any, and still feel they need a top 6 power winger, then I would say trade Pleks. I would not move Elller yet, he is still relatively young and has progressed well. DD has proven he belongs and has great chemistry with Pacman and Cole. If the Habs draft a center that can play next season, this would open a spot for him and if the Habs could get a power winger to play on his line, that would be great!

      I would never have thought of trading Subban last season, but now if Edmonton were willing to trade the 1st pick for him, Pulashaj, and Weber, I would do it, providing the Habs would go hard after Shultz and/or Suter. If you read the bios and ratings of the defence in the Habs system, I think you would find that they have solid prospects that will provide offence and solid defence.

      Habfan17

    • Ian Cobb says:

      Defense man 1st

  24. HardHabits says:

    I don’t which hockey team Pat Hickey follows but it isn’t the Montreal Canadiens.

    In his article he states:

    Whichever player the Canadiens select should be NHL ready, but giving him the opportunity to play in Montreal will take a radical change in the mindset that has guided this team for the past 60 years. The Canadiens believe in bringing players along slowly. The last time a teenager played for the Canadiens in the same year he was drafted was 1985 when defenceman Petr Svoboda made his debut.

    I disagree completely with the first sentence. Too much pressure will be put on this high draft pick and that is precisely the reason he should start in Hamilton. If anything the Habs are not developing their players slowly enough. Just looking at the list of players drafted by the Habs that are having success elsewhere should be enough of an alarm bell to warn against bringing this high pick up too soon. IMO it would a recipe for disaster which would find the highest draft pick since Wickenheiser eventually succeeding elsewhere. The Habs lack organizational depth at the moment and it will only get better if their up and coming prospects play a full year at least in the AHL.

    Hockey’s idea is to turn the Habs back into what they’ve been for the past 18 years. A non-contending team content with a low seed and final berth in the play-offs ad nauseum.

    • rdiddy says:

      agreed that starting a guy in the Hammer is ideal but if its a CHL player that cant happen. So therefore only Forsberg could come over and play in the AHL, but I dunno what his contract status is in Sweden anyway. If its Nail or Grig or Galchen then they either play in the NHL or the CHL.

      Same reasons why Latendresse couldn’t play in the AHL.

      • LafleurGuy says:

        Forsberg has around 9 goals playing against men that aren’t as skilled as NHL opposition. A great prospect but his high-production years are 2 to 4 years from now. Brett Hull scored around 31 goals as a 23 year old in Calgary and that admin didn’t foresee him scoring at a higher rate. Forget what the Blues gave up to get Hull.

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    • 44har48 says:

      I think you make a valid point here but I do disagree in theory. In today’s cap world, teams need high end draft picks playing in the NHL sooner rather than later. We could debate for hours and bring up several examples making each other’s case.

      It always pains me to have our prospects floundering around in teeh ECHL or AHL while other teams prospects are playing against us in the NHL.

      It’s another reason why I think it’s best the Habs trade this pick for an NHL ready player, but that doesn’t make sense from a money/cap perspective.

      I have no faith we will pick the right one or develop him. This should be an eviable position to be in and I am afraid we will screw it up. But even if we do get it right, will he livve up to our expectations? Price and Kostitsen couldn’t :) (and I, like most outside of Montreal, think Price is the real deal)

    • DorvalTony says:

      I disagree completely with your first sentence.

      Thanks for listening, Geoff Molson.

    • JUST ME says:

      I agree 100 % . Look at the guys that came up from Hamilton this year. They made the job but did not make the difference. God only knows what this season has done damage wise towards the developpment of guys like Leblanc.
      You need to go step by step to get them at their prime to the big leagues. The Red Wings are the best example .No youngster gets to the big league before it`s ready and as far as i know they are a constant threath not only a pretender.

      Problem in Mtl is media pressure. As soon as a guy does well in Hamilton he becomes a god. I do not see the situation getting better if the team moves in Laval.

      However, i think that the Habs fans are not being honest when they talk about the rookies . They do not see them on a long term basis they want to win now (without admitting it) .Just read a few post on here of guys talking about Beaulieu ,Gallagher or Tinordi. Those guys are 2 or 3 years away from making it with the habs. Somehow i doubt that the fans want to realize this…

      As far as our first round choice is concerned i am troubled. Although i would like to give him time and make sure he is developped properly,i also envy teams that get to play young superstars in their ranks right away cause this brings a new atmosphere of hope.

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      Every case is different. I don’t follow the rest of the hockey teams very closely, but didn’t Seguin and Skinner and others move right up? They are doing quite alright. I think one of our problems is sometimes not so much where they play but how they are used. For example: if LL is going to play with the big team, then I’d prefer to see him playing higher in the lineup for more minutes.

    • JF says:

      +10. The Habs need to recognize that this mess will take time to fix, and they need to give it the necessary time. The key is not rushing our prospects, letting them hone their skills and develop a winning attitude with the Bulldogs. If we rush them, we’ll end up shipping them out of town, only to see them flourish elsewhere. We can either use this nightmare of a season as an opportunity to start building a contender, or we can continue on the path of overpaying free agents, squandering assets, and failing to develop young players – a path which leads only to mediocrity.

  25. Laramy87 says:

    I cant see Oilers taking Yakapuv. I see them trading for a proven D man or a goalie. When Habs pick i see Grigorenko not being available. Murray is going to slip to 4th and Isles will get him. Habs will take Galchenyuk or Forsberg

    • 44har48 says:

      I’m thinking we have an oportunity to move up to #1 by giving our #3, our late second rounder, and a player. Edmonton can get their Dman at #3 and pick up a NHL player and another second rounder.

      This would give us Yukapov and an early second rounder. I don’t really like the choices at #3. I’m fearful whoever they take their will end up an enigma in our system.

      • rdiddy says:

        heard a VERY interesting rumour this morning. Eberle to Chicago for Seabrook. Makes sense for both teams and then the Oil take Nail. Leaves CLB screwed and they probably take Forsberg and run scared from the Russians. Likely leaves the Habs and Leafs to pick from Galchen or Grigs.

      • Habfan10912 says:

        Or we can stay where we are, get a big center or good defenseman, and keep all the later round draft picks. If we were one player away id support your method but lets face it, the organization lacks depth and these picks in the next two drafts are vital to the teams long term health.

  26. Newf_Habster says:

    Here’s classic Burke reaction after his Laffs were given pick no. 5 in 2012 NHL Draft Lottery. ;)

    http://imgur.com/E8Cg6

    • 44har48 says:

      As far as I was concerned the Habs won that draft last night when the Leafs still picked #5. I bet the losers lost on purpose to get into the lottery too.

  27. VintageFan says:

    trade Weber & Beaulieu and a 2nd round pick to Edmonton for their #1 pick. Then take Yakupov and Galynchenyuk to put with Gionta and presto! a second scoring line

    Oh well, a guy can dream!

    • LafleurGuy says:

      Too little. If offered next year’s 1st round pick, the Oilers may listen. Yannick is a likeable player but I’m guessing there are dozens available of similar ability and every GM knows this and would not squander a golden ticket. Tambellini would ask for Subban, or Price, plus prospects, plus a future first round pick.

      “May you live in interesting times.”

    • smiler2729 says:

      Nobody wants Weber , buddy, why is it when you all make up trades, they’re so one-sided in the Habs favour??

      How about Staubitz and the obligatory ‘pick’ for Crosby?

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  28. RiverviewCanadien says:

    Man, EDM could really retool their defence with this pick and the right trading partner…

    Would you package Subban in a deal to retain #3 to also get the #1? Seriously it would take Subban to woo that pick from EDM, an NHL ready, high caliber player.

    Imagine, the Habs could potentially end up with Yakupov AND Grigorenko.

    Would it be worth it?

    Either way, MTL will do fine at #3 this year, exciting!

    • Clay says:

      That’s one of the very few scenarios I would trade PK for, because he (PK) is going to be great for a long time. But to get Nail? Yeah, I’d take that gamble.

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    • Mike D says:

      No I wouldn’t do it. Having a quality D-core is too important and vital for winning. PK is a huge part of that core, as is any Dman that can play 25+ min. a night and in all situations to boot.

      However, in your scenario, it would make more sense to get Yakupov and Galchenyuk (instead of Grigorenko) since those two play junior together and have established chemistry.

      - Honestly yours
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    • steve17 says:

      It would be a Gamble, but I might do it. There would be other pieces that would need to fall into place. I think beaulieu will give the Habs offence from the back end. If the new GM moves Kaberle for anything and sticks Gomez in Hamilton, then they could take a run at two players, Suter and Justin Shultz from Anaheim. It is said he won’t sign with the Ducks and he is NHL ready and along the lines of McDonough who the Habs gave away in the Gomez trade. He might sign in Montreal if they had 2 of the top 3 picks and showed they had the spot for him and a solid young core that they could keep together.

      Habfan17

  29. habs001 says:

    The majority of cup winning teams have several d that provide scoring and offensive support for their forwards…the only d we have right now who can do this is pk and hopefully markov…the non offensive skilled d on the habs just dont have the skill set to pinch and keep the puck in the other teams zone like the majority of the bruin d last year..or flyers,pitts and chicago…

    • Mike D says:

      I don’t think the problem with our offensive D is their lack of offense, it’s the fact that aside from PK and Markov, none of them are very good defensively and most are terrible defensively. Markov wasn’t even great defensively in the few games he played, but I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt as he works to continue bettering his knee and getting comfortable with it.

      - Honestly yours
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  30. habs001 says:

    dd/maxpac/cole had a very solid season…there is no reason to replace dd on that line…there is no indication that another centre would click with that line or increase the production of the line…

    • SuperHabFan says:

      In a tight playoff series that line would be shut down so fast against the top teams. DD is a good player but won’t survive in a tight checking playoff series, he gets bumped off the puck to easily. He is a good player on a bad team, mediocre player on a good team. Be realistic don’t ask yourself if he is a good player or even make the playoffs with him, but ask yourself if you think they can win a stanley cup with him up there.

      • Clay says:

        I think you’re way off on this. But the DD line should be our second line. In that case, cup winner – yes.

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        • DearyLeary says:

          If we have the luxury of having two 30 goal scorers on our second line then yes, we can win the cup.

          Unfortunately that just doesn’t happen in the NHL. Desharnais is, at best, a #2 centre or nothing. Can’t play 3rd/4th line minutes due to defensive deficiencies and the inability to create offence without help. To exacerbate the issue, that help takes away from the production of better players on the team, because he’s being hidden between our two best wingers. You can’t win a Cup with Desharnais at the 2 slot.

          Pleks can be a #2, because he can kill penalties, and is much less of a gamble in his own end. If our depth chart looked like #3 pick; Plekanec; Eller we’d be much better in the long run.

          This love affair with Desharnais is driving me insane. Ship him off while his value is semi-high (unfortunately it’s not as high as Habs fans rate him, because he can’t even break the World Championship lineup). He’s one of two centres in the league who has two 30+ goal scorers on his wing; the other is Adam Henrique, with Kovalchuk and Parise, do we really want to heap the praise on Henrique for being a great center? Or did he too win the winger lottery and looks good because of it?

          • Clay says:

            Ok, well…great that you feel this way, but…
            Imagine, if you will, we had the first overall pick. We took nail. Then we had the 7.3 million cap hit for Gomez, but instead spent it on a real player worth that money. Imagine we had not traded Cammy for a bum…
            I know that is a ‘what if’ scenario, but it’s not even a little far-fetched. We likely will bury Gomez and have his cash available. Not getting Cammy back, but a free agent who can score (Parise)? It can happen.
            Nail + 7.3 Million player + (Parise? Or whoever, replacing Cammy) = first line better than the DD line. Easily doable.

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    • Clay says:

      I agree wholeheartedly. What we need to worry about is creating another scoring line, not dismantling the only one we have.

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  31. JayBee says:

    Here’s a gem from the Gazette:

    “The price wasn’t right: Let’s go back to the night on Jan. 12 when the Canadiens were playing the Boston Bruins. Between the second and third periods, general manager Pierre Gauthier told Michael Cammalleri to take off his uniform and return to the team hotel because he had been traded. Gauthier said he couldn’t tell Cammalleri where he was going because the trade – to Calgary for Rene Bourque – had yet to be completed.

    A stunned Cammalleri asked if he could keep his game jersey as a souvenir of the good times in Montreal. No problem, said Gauthier, as long as he was willing to pay for it.

    When Vicki Hall of the Calgary Herald asked Cammalleri about the incident this week, the sniper replied: “I can neither confirm nor deny it.” If Cammalleri had confirmed it, he would have revealed that the asking price was $1,250.

    The Canadiens used to have a deal with Mei-Gray, a U.S. company that sells game-worn jerseys, but the team now handle sales through the Canadiens boutique and online. If Cammalleri still wants the jersey, it’s available for $600.

    Read more: http://www.montrealgazette.com/sports/Draft+Habs+pick+third/6438202/story.html#ixzz1rjOd5z00

    PG is a four letter word.

  32. steve17 says:

    Third overall is not bad. Montreal could go a couple of ways. Take the best player available as most teams say they do, or take the player that fills the biggest need.

    If the new GM can remove Kaberle and Gomez from the cap, Gomez to Hamilton, why be on the hook for any money buying him out, and trade Kaberle for anything, then they would have some cap space to try for either Radulov or Parise.

    One other poster made the point that if the Habs draft a centre, there would be a log jam at the position. Some players can be moved to the wing, but not all are capable of mking the move. Eller is definitely better at Centre and uses his linemates much better while at centre. Maybe the Habs will surprise everyone and trade up, or trade down! I have heard from some TSN “analysts, that after Grigorenko, Galchenyuk, Faksa or Gaunce would be next best centres available and there isn’t much difference between them.

    Habfan17

    • LafleurGuy says:

      Eller is about two years younger than David Desharnais, so Desharnais is a apt comparison to skills Eller possesses and lacks. At around age 21 DD won the scoring title with Cincinnati in the ECHL. In 2.5 AHL seasons, DD had high assist totals, and the trend continues in his year and a half NHL tenure. Eller on the other had, has not produced high assist totals and unless a new skill arises, he will not generate the stats and results of a playmaker. Eller doesn’t appear to have great vision of the entire ice surface; he’s most often seen looking at a defender one on one at close range and trying to dipsy doo doe. I can’t recall seeing him make a great pass to set up a teammate. By comparison, I can visualize the great short pass Ryan White made to set up Chris Campoli’s wicked shot for Campoli’s 2nd goal of the year. Unfortunately that one play was the ONLY good offensive play I can remember for both White and Campoli! The elite teams would have probably shuttled the soon to be 23 year old Eller between the bigs and the AHL so that he would have received much more ice time to improve his playmaking and result in a larger assist total than the 12 from this year. Desharnais had 44 assists, Plekie 35. Even Gomez had 9 in less than half the games played that Eller had. Yannick Weber is defence of course, but with limited ice time, he surpassed Eller’s assist total with 14. Grigorenko would be a great get, but if unavailable Galchenyuk may in fact help generate greater team offence, if he’s able to become a playmaking center in the bigs.

      “May you live in interesting times.”


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