The Canadiens have announced the schedule for their rookie camp.
Nathan Beaulieu and 30 other young prospects begin drills at the Brossard training camp on Monday, Sept. 12.
And TSN has announced its schedule of 30 regional Canadiens game telecasts.
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The Rookie Camp announcement:
The Montreal Canadiens announced today that 31 players will participate in
the team’s rookie camp from September 12-15, at the Bell Sports Complex, in Brossard.
Players will take part in on-ice practice sessions and tests as well as off-ice conditioning sessions. Scrimmages will also take place on Monday, September 12, Tuesday, September 13 and Thursday, September 15, from 5 p.m. to 5:45 p.m.
Thirteen (13) of the 31 players at camp are Canadiens draft selections. The group includes first-round picks Nathan Beaulieu (2011), Jarred Tinordi (2010) and Louis Leblanc (2009). Twenty-four (24) of the 31 players also participated in the Canadiens’ 2011 development camp.
Main Training Camp
The Canadiens’ main training camp will debut on Friday, September 16 as players will be reporting for medicals and physicals at the Bell Sports Complex in Brossard. Training camp will run until Wednesday, October 5, in preparation for the season opener against the Maple Leafs at Air Canada Center on Thursday, October 6.
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Funny but Enqvist is not on the list !!!
I though he had a shot to be the forth line centre.
Will he be at the main camp???
Gio looking classy, Ovy like a joke:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/alex-ovechkin-wears-nike-to-versace-event/2011/09/08/gIQA1YCtCK_blog.html
Ovie’s a $100 million man. What the hell does he care?
i agree
Zack Fitzgerald will fit nicely in JM’s doghouse
299 GP in the AHL averaged 3.5 pim per game
right up JM’s alley…
He’s a grunt for Hamilton.
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I said when they signed markov PG was taking a Big gamble. I would have never done it that way, I would have signed him in a second but for one year at a time, if he didn’t like that he could pick what ever team he would like to go to. if you think for one moment markov is gonna win us a cup you’d better think again 20 players win the stanley cup not one. we proved it last year against boston without him took them to seven games and I know exactly what you’re gonna say go ahead and say it. if we had markov the results would have been different, Boston beat us with toughness we could match them with everything else markov is not tough and he’s one dirty hit away from selling his skates and we’ll be left holding the bag. don’t get me wrong I’m more than glad we have him just don’t like the contract if he goes down a lot of money paid for a gamble. we’ll see what you have to say than. you’ll cringe every time someone takes him into the boards. I don’t like to see money wasted one year contracts would be worth the gamble. the extra money we could have had a couple of good scores up front where we have been hurting the last few years, I see a little improvement up front but if markov goes down oh boy back to square one….
Boston’s victory was helped along by too much work being piled on Spacek and Hamrlik, two guys in their twilight, not their prime years. Markov is a guy who does 20+ minutes a night in all situations, controls the puck with ease and force the opposition back with his outstanding breakout passes preventing them from throwing too much pressure into the offensive end. Three times we lost an OT game and having Markov around to control the play and fire off passes to create odd-man rushes and breakaways might have just switched things in our favour.
What good scorers were available anyway? It was a bunch of a marginal 2nd liners and 3rd liners the second Brad Richards signed in NY. Did we want Tomas Kopecky at more than what AK is paid? Leino who benefitted from playing on the best 3rd line in the NHL last year against soft competition?
Won 1 playoff series without him in the 4 we’ve played with him missing.
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First, Markov contract is not a 35+ contract, if he does keep getting hurt and retires, it wont count vs the cap. Two, lol @ how Boston beat us with toughness, keep telling yourself that, in the past 2 regular season, (since we acquired our smurfs) we have 9-3 vs them. The reason they need OT in game 7 to beat us in the playoffs was because we had Moen-Darche in our top 6.
+50 at least.
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Serious has a nice rebuttal above, but I’ll chip in my two measly cents too. Montreal would have been, and will be this year, a better team with Markov than without. Any player who could turn a piece of crap like Komisarek into an all-star is worth keeping. If he gets injured again, his salary disappears against the cap, and there weren’t any free agent defencemen this past off-season who were capable of playing the kind of total game Markov can. In other words, signing Markov to the deal the Habs did is certainly not a “big gamble.”
its a zero gamble, btw da hema, ZARLY ZALAPSKY
That is more concise.
And to your Zarley Zalapsky, I’ll add a Patrick Traverse.
patrick reverse
christian laflamme
I just read the first sentence and stopped. You would have signed Markov one year at a time? No you wouldn’t have, you nincompoop, his agent would have laughed in your face at your one-year offer and taken his talents to Dale Tallon in South Beach.
If Mr. Gauthier wanted to sign Mr. Markov, he had to play ball and offer something approaching market value. Considering what Mr. Erhoff and Mr. Wisniewski received in free agency, we should applaud Mr. Gauthier for signing him to a significant hometown discount.
And stop obsessing about the knee. Mr. Gauthier was the most well-informed person regarding the rehab process. He didn’t make this decision in a vacuum, he consulted with the team’s medical staff and physio staff before making the offer. Stop reading sheep entrails, the best indicator that Mr. Markov’s knee is responding well is that Mr. Gauthier locked him up long-term.
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Rejoice NAG, Grit, Sandpaper, and toughness crew! Word on the street is Montreal is inviting Zack FitzGerald, 6’2”, 210 lbs, and 32 fights over the past two seasons to camp. Lead the AHL in PIMs two seasons ago.
http://chasingcheckers.com/2011/09/06/quick-hits-hurricanes-and-checkers-camp-around-the-corner-and-fantasy-hockey/
? Is Hamilton dropping Jimmy Bonneau?
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Doesn’t look like he’s still under contract. You might be on to something.
edit: Bonneau is with Buffalo now.
Oh good just what we needed with Buffalo, more thugs for Lindy Ruff to throw out during his tantrums in the last 5 minutes of a game he’s lost.
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I have never followed prospects in the juniors before last year, the only prospect watching I did was to check the age and stats of some of the guys in Hamilton once or twice a year.
I know that defensemen usually mature a little later than forwards but my question is do top 4 Dmen normally take the same path as Tinordi? (Two years in the minors and then some time in the AHL?) what about top 2? Is it common for top 2 pairing Dmen to skip Juniors all together?
Tinordi is just doing what almost all defencemen (including PK Subban) do before they start playing pro-level (AHL/NHL hockey) in playing until he is 20 years old in junior. PK Subban filled out his full junior commitment before going to Hamilton like most did, he just had a somewhat obscene ability to push past his projected limits.
Depends on talent level, physical maturity, development, coaching… Markov became a #1 in his mid-20s after all. Brian Rafalski was almost never an NHL player, hell Guy Lapointe didn’t think he was good enough for the NHL but his dad convinced him to try out.
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Thanks Rob, Hamilton will be laughing in a couple of years with the addition of Tinordi and Kristo in a year from now.
Beaulieu already has 3 years in the Q so he joins them next year as well. Bulldogs are going to get a big infusion of young bodies in the next couple years.
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tinordi appears to be on a timetable comparable to komisareks
*knock on wood*
Well hopefully losing a fight will not destroy Tinordi’s career.
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hence my knock on wood
How exactly can you skip juniors? You can’t make the NHL at 17.
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Do I honestly have to clarify that for you?
I meant after he’s drafted.
Sorry to be the sour grapes here . The real season begins in April. The NHL has an 82 game exhibition season. The NHL has to follow the NFL. No gaurantee contracts. The players now are too comfortable . Games during the season have to have more significance. The entertainment level of games during the regular season goes from dull to duller. My job isn’t gauranteed why should these millionaires.
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A few years ago, I thought the same. However, it does seem that league-wide parity, coupled with the razor-thin margins of making or not making the playoffs, has led to entertaining games throughout the bulk of the season.
I am in agreement with you about the guaranteed contracts, although there is no reason NHL teams cannot send players like Gomez, for example, to the AHL or some other minor league. That’s what happened to Souray, and it removes that player’s salary from the team’s cap. The only thing hurt there is the organization’s bottom line, and as a fan I could care less whether Molson’s would absorb the cost of Gomez’s insane contract–assuming Gomez sucks once again this season (and let’s all hope he doesn’t).
I live from pay cheque to pay cheque. I wouldn’t shed a tear if Mr. Molson didn’t make the 50mill he plans for every year. I’m a savage fan I want to see the best gladiators. I’m not a rookie I’ve seen hockey where players are hungry and owners are hungrier. The stage is an ice rink, and I as a fan want to be entertained. You want my money, give me a show!
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I’m with both of you on that. The rich don’t cry for us, why should we?
But, like the players always say, it’s a business.
Cause we’re sucks. We know how good the game could be, but we bow to that’s the way it is now. I disagree. Next CBA when MR. Fehr and Buttman start negotiating maybe MR. FAN should be included. I know what I’m saying is far fetched but it’s the way I feel. We have an excellent sport why do we let them ruin it ?
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sorry comerade cuzzie, but you talk like the fans are being forced to pay, when in reality they arent
for every fan in montreal that says “you aint gettin a penny from me” you have 100 folks glad to see you lose your spot in line
So true my young man. I’m just an honest man who expects an honest effort. I know the players now are business men. They should make as much as they can, but there should be no gaurantee.
I am no socialist. I despise Unions.
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odd, cuz i AM a socialist, but i can call it as i see it i guess
Wait, are you NOT entertained?!
Perhaps Maximus Decimus Meridius can replace Scott Carlos Gomez as #2 centre. He’ll unleash hell upon the Bruins (in this case, the Germanic Barbarians).
i want to see timbits vs parc safari animals during intermission
I completely disagree cuzzie. What’s the point of a contract if it’s not guaranteed? The NFL contracts are a sham, they pile on years and millions but release players after a season. Look at Donovan McNabb’s ‘contract’ with the Washington Redskins last season, he signed an extension mid-season and was released this off-season. What was the point.
The players are the product the fans are going to see, not sclerotic owners. The players put their life and health on the line, they should be compensated. If Glen Sather and later Bob Gainey believed Scott Gomez was worth all that money, then that’s what the market was at the time.
What makes the games boring isn’t the players not trying hard enough, it’s the stupid NHL too dumb to get out of its own way and being trapped in its own history of unsuccess. If they would free up the game and let the scorers score instead of letting the muckers and the grinders muck and grind, you’d be vastly more entertained.
Don’t blame the players, and don’t blame their guaranteed contracts because you have an unguaranteed job. If you were as talented and in demand as an NHL’er is, your job would be bullet-proof.
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FINALLY! Let the games begin!
*is excited*
Hello everyone.
Comment section requires improvement.
…I don’t want to say too much about the recent tragedies …My heart is too heavy
…One escapes to a ‘space’ like HIO to just escape from the Real World, yet the Real World seems inescapeable
…just like in the Real World …One dies, and another One …is born
…so, reading this thread on Our rookie-camp opening imminently is like a glint of sun through a very murky, cloudy sky at this time
Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=423049
Shiloh – I’ve been saying that all summer. The cap space that we have now (for this year) doesn’t have anything to do with the future as long as we alot it on a one year contract. To not spend the money when other teams are doing so would be a huge mistake.
It’s not about spending on the scraps that are left over in early September, it’s obviously too late for that now. It was more a case of spending it in mid-July when the team could have picked up a UFA or made a trade for a player who only has one year left on his present deal.
This is our first year of a three year window to win the Cup with the guys who are in place from Gainey’s 2nd five year plan. It’s a long shot year but there is/was still a chance. We could have spent another 2M and still had some left over for injuries or deadline deals. We can still spend the money down the road but it will cost us assets, something we wouldn’t have lost two months ago.
Engqvist better be damn good and it better be right now.
Steve, please, name somebody who is worth bringing on board out of the graveyard of Free agency.
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Gordon, Halpern or Reasoner.
Rupp or Torres on the wing (their extended contracts would replace Moen next year).
Personally, I would have brought Halpern back and let Engqvist and Pulushaj spend one more year in Hamilton. They don’t have to clear waivers and could be late season call-ups or injury replacements.
The cap space that we have for this year has nothing to do with replacing an injured Markov or giving pay increases to Price and Subban in 2012-13. I think that is the point of the article – it’s a one year window of cap flexibility.
I also hear what JD is saying it’s just that I get fed up having to give picks away in February because we didn’t have enough depth. I’d rather load up now as much as possible. We’re only takin’ about a 4th liner here.
Pouliot? I think we would have to be close to the scene* to really know but you could just tell that Martin was fed up near the end. Not to mention we’re talking a centre as being the real need. Pouliot better bust his ass or he just might find that Jordan Caron takees his job by Christmas.
* Which begs the question, outside of the three amigos, who on this site really knows what goes on with the Habs? The Gazette writers might be “inside” but aren’t the rest of us on the “outside”?
The heavy-handed point I’m makin’ about Poolio, 24C, is that if the team just wanted warm bodies to fill out the bottom 6, Poolio’s just another sub-$2M UFA they could throw in there. Obviously, they are not lookin’ to throw just anybody in there and, frankly, there hasn’t been much of anybody to get excited about.
I’m certainly not pretendin’ to know anythin’ about how things went down with him.
(On that point, however, in the absence of speculation – much as you’re doin’ with Halpern – we’d pretty much be left spendin’ all our time tweakin’ various line combos on here. Wouldn’t make for much of a read.)
More importantly, this notion of loadin’ up now to offset potential depth issues not only ignores the fact the Habs won’t know what holes will need to be filled, if any, it doesn’t lend any credence to the possibility some quality players could be made available towards the trade deadline, guys that aren’t available right now, or not at a reasonable price.
They may ostensibly also be motivated by a desire to aggressively develop the young forwards before decidin’ who’s going to make the long-term cut.
I remain of the belief the Habs are keepin’ their powder dry on this front and, even possibly, lookin’ to engineer a trade and that AK and D prospects will be involved. Pure speculation on my part.
It may also have to do with assessing the needs of the team before spending the money. Maybe Engqvist turns out as a solid 4th line centre, but neither of Weber nor Yemelin turn out as desired. Maybe he’ll end up finding out that, based on the first few weeks of watching the team play, the money is better spent on a defenseman than a centre (just as an example).
I’d counter by notin’ there isn’t really anythin’ Cup-worthy among the list of sub-$2M UFAs who signed with new teams followin’ July 1st, 24C.
If you alternatively propose that the team should have traded for a UFA on the final year of his contract, it’s no different than givin’ up the assets down the road except in one respect: Pickin’ a pendin’ UFA off a team with no playoff hopes is likely to be cheaper than to have done the same thing durin’ the off-season, when every team thinks it has a chance.
This whole notion of spendin’ for the sake of spendin’ is br00tal enough and was made doubly worse by the fact teams were overspendin’ post July 1st. You simply have to get bang for your buck and not just bodies to fill out a bit of a crowded bottom 6.
Otherwise, Poolio would still be around. That may turn out to be a mistake – I really don’t know – but I’m not countin’ on it.
Given you’re basically proposin’ the Habs chase a rental, I’d prefer to see them do it when it’s cheaper – headin’ into the trade deadline – and where the overall quality of the available players will be higher.
Poolio : If he sucks, Boston got played. If he does well we get a new coach. It’s the old win/win.
What if he does well, but we win the division and make the cup finals while Boston flames out in the first round? Then what happens?
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Then I better cancel my plans for that Buddhist retreat in June 2012.
I think the $4M is the insurance Gauthier is leaving aside in case Markov goes down again. (This is instead of the much bigger risk Gauthier could have taken over the summer: letting go of Markov.) Remember last year at the trade deadline, instead of picking up a difference-maker, Gauthier was forced to use the cap relief from LT injuries to replace those injured. (I believe the quote was, last year he was in a comparative situation to leaving money aside to go on summer vacation, but then the roof of the house fell in.) This year, he’s leaving money aside for both the vacation and the roof. This year, he has room to chase that (or those) difference-maker(s).
He’s also putting money away for the much deserved pay raise of Price and Subban
I think all we can hope is that PG had the permission to spend if he felt it was needed and was a fair deal for the team. Otherwise if it was just spending for spending well as others have said, wait till during the season and pick some low hanging fruit from the shite teams.
the only reason why he isnt on the roster is for sure hes been giving a spot as a 13th fowards on our line upp
my lines for this year!
Cammalleri-Pleks-Cole
Pacioretty-Gomez-Gionta
Moen-Eller-AK46
Darche-DD-White
*ENQvist
Markov-Yemelin
Gill-Subban
Gorges-Spacek
*Weber
Quelle arrete de carey price!
Must be even higher in Randy Cunneyworth’s good books than I thought.
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switch Moen with DD leaving the other 4 to fill the last 3 spots and you are very close.
my thinking exactly.
your both crazy, although technically its a tweak™, its a weak tweak™
Can I post it? I’ve never posted it before…
It still needs tweakin’(tm)
Needs Tw…
…Dang! GJ beat me to it.
500cc’s of tweak™, STAT!
but i hear what your sayin, especially the “for the year” part
Gorges on Left D? Or Spacek? Both are better on the right side, aren’t they?
Post 1967, original six win %.
Thanks, just sent it to my nieces and my nephew who were too stupid to listen to their mother and grow up to be a Habs fan. Instead they listened to their father, the Leafs fan.
I’m be interested in seeing what % the original six would have today.
Detroit higher, Habs, probably about the same, and the Leafs under .400
Is it surprising that Enqvist is not included in this group? How is he any different than Palushaj in this regard, and he’s on the list.
Does anyone here who’s more familiar with the rookie camp than I amknow how many of these players typically stay on for the teams training camp starting the 16th? Is it usually 1/2 dozen, 10-12, 20, or all of them?
Hockey’s Future has released their updated list of our top prospects. No surprise, in my opinion, who leads it, and how much potential they believe he possesses.
http://bit.ly/qnYT9H
Prospect listings are looking good these days, albeit this team could use another Top-6 prospect in the system.
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Nail Yakupov would look great at the top of that list.
So the plan is we get the GM of the team finishing 30th overall in a compromising picture with a giraffe?
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Count Colorado out. Those idiots gave away their pick for a goalie who was a backup last season.
Still kills me.
I guess we need to find a way to get the 1st overall pick then…. That’ll be tough. Yakupov looks sick on the ice. Fantastic skill set. Makes me think of a big Patrick Kane.
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Quite the Russian flavour for the Top-5 this year, potentially Galchenyuk (Russian parents), Yakupov and Grigorenko and all taking up spots in CHL meant for “Good Canadian Boys” Don Cherry must be weeping.
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Meanwhile ‘good Canadian boy’ Lucic is getting domestic disturbance warnings.
http://twitter.com/andrewberkshire
Gonna be a big improvement on Kovy.
For the Sens, that is…
I know the most hated NHL team in Montreal is now Boston. They’ve solidified that spot for years to come after last season. But remember a year and a half ago? Sure, we hated Boston, but there was a little respect there too, albeit grudgingly.
There was one other organization that was looked upon with disgust not just by Habs fans but by almost every hockey fan not rooting for them.
So, for everyone who loves to hate the Flyers, and who needs a good laugh after yesterdays tragedy, I give you Bill Burr, Comedian, tearing into a Philly crowd of hecklers for 10 minutes, paying particular attention to their sports franchises. Trust me, the language is R rated
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0S4nSzE4N-o
Ken Dryden For NHL Commissioner
Thought for sure you we’re going for the Leafs…
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Number 25 coming up
Total Stanley Cup championships
Defunct teams not included. Team Titles
Montreal Canadiens 24*
Toronto Maple Leafs 13
Detroit Red Wings 11
Boston Bruins 6
Edmonton Oilers 5
Chicago Blackhawks 4
New York Islanders 4
New York Rangers 4
New Jersey Devils 3
Pittsburgh Penguins 3
Colorado Avalanche 2
Philadelphia Flyers 2
Anaheim Ducks 1
Calgary Flames 1
Carolina Hurricanes 1
Dallas Stars 1
Tampa Bay Lightning 1
I got it now.
Ian, if you can’t open this link, just go to http://www.tsn.ca – it’s one of the featured stories
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=375366
Thank you S.
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Is anyone at this camp going to play for the Habs this seasson? I am losing my patience a little with how slow these guys are developing. Just curious though.
Considering we added Pacioretty, Weber, Subban, Desharnais as full-timers last season, I’d say the pipeline is going rather well.
You draft a player to make your team in 3-6 years from when you make the pick depending upon how high the selection is, their development path and skill set. Palushaj, Nash, Dumont are the only players who have even any pro experience under their belt and Stejskal just has a handful of AHL games in his pocket.
I wouldn’t call the development of these prospects slow, it’s the norm when you’re not tanking your way to the draft lottery.
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And Ryan White too.
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Well said and entirely agreed. We haven’t been able to draft Taylor Hall, John Taveres, Steve Stamkos, Jonathan Toews, etc.. and I’m glad this team has never been in a postion to do so. Wouldn’t mind getting to pick a guy like this in a draft if we traded to get it though.
I mean patience is something we have come to embrace as Habs fans, I am never disappointd with what we have, I just am anxious to see some youngsters tear it up! Thanks for the info!
Subban, Eller, Pacioretty, Desharnais, White isn’t enough for youngsters?
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No it is, please don’t get me wrong. I really am anxious for Tinordi and Leblanc when he is at full health. Maybe I am just ready for hocky to begin.
Don’t get your hopes up for leblanc, Rain. As strong as he seemed in the WJC he is projected by most to be a third line guy MAYBE 2nd. Correct me if I’m wrong Rob.
Current projection is 2nd/3rd line winger, scouting types I’ve talked too are not very sold on him being an NHL pivot.
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Palushaj and Nash are probably capable of playing in the NHL now, but theres no spots available for them.
I like Nash a lot, but I’m not so sure he’s ready for the NHL. It’ll take at least another half a season in Hamilton before I’d be comfortable making a long term prediction for him.
I think he has the goods but he wasn’t ready to handle a season 3x longer than what he was used to, plus he needs to bulk up for the NHL.
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When I’ve watched him in Hamilton I loved his decision making with the puck. He’s not all that gifted physically, but he thinks through the game really well.
So I would agree that putting on some muscle will help him immensely. I wouldn’t say he’s first in line for a callup, that would likely be Diaz’s job to lose (from what we’ve heard of him, since I’ve never watched him play it’s hard for me to assess).
Tends to happen when you don’t draft top 5 you know. This is normal dev speed
You may already know that Sam Pollock moved heaven and earth to ensure the Habs acquired a first-overall can’t-miss prospect by the name of Guy Lafleur once upon a time.
Lafleur needed time to get untracked, but began to pull it together at about the same time he eventually decided to ditch the helmet. The rest, as they say, is history.
Moral of the story : patience is mandatory, even with the very best of them …
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In my opinion, that was the Habs’ best trade ever. Pollock was a genius with foresight more than a year in advance. He traded away players for 1st rounders two, three and even four years later.
In Lafleur’s case, you’re right…heaven and earth.
The draft had changed, and Montreal couldn’t just pick french players like they used to. So they traded a journeyman and their first round pick from 1970 to the California Golden Seals in exchange for the Seals’ 1971 first round pick and they also got some cash in the deal, to boot. But the Seals had to finish in the basement. During the following season, it looked like the Kings were gonna finish last, and get first pick in the draft, so Pollock traded Ralph Backstrom to the Kings for a couple of journeymen. Backstrom had a career year in L.A., and they finished out of the cellar, but the Seals did. Having traded the year before for the Seals’ first round pick, Pollock picked Lafleur.
Pure genius. Unfortunately, it’s much harder to deal with today’s GM’s the same way. They’re a little more astute.
Read this: http://sbn.to/MDfXW
You may find it educational.
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Actually, I don’t @Bill J, because I’ve been around long enough to know how the system worked. C forms were used by NHL clubs where their scouts took them. Montreal’s scouts took them throughout Quebec, because it was a successful strategy. And if I was from Quebec and my kid had a chance, who do you think I would hold out for?
Yvan Cournoyer’s father, and my father and my uncle ran each their own businesses on Norman street in Lachine, and as a kid hovering between one building and the next to see if Yvan was in, I got to hear quite a bit about the league. That you would have found educational.
Bripro, like Morenz right ?
C forms where not regional only. French players played all over the league.
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@ Bripro
It sounds like you might be, or know someone who is, almost as old as me
Absolutely correct, Backstrom to LA as insurance that Oakland would end up precisely where Mr Pollock wanted them – he was brilliant !
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The image I post is my grandson, although to a very young father, but still…it gives you an idea.
Let’s hope our hearts can take the upcoming season.
Or a more recent example, Bobby Ryan went 2nd overall behind Crosby in 2005, didn’t make the NHL until 3 years but came out as an immediate 30+ Goal power forward.
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And Pouliot went 4th overall that year.
Of the 31 players, 10 are from the QMJHL.
Of the 8 players are tryouts, 3 are from Quebec, 2 are from the rest of Canada, 2 are American, and 1 is born in France.
Of the 10 Quebec born players among the 31, 3 (Southorn, Dame-Malka, Brodeur) are on tryouts, 4 (Leblanc, Archambault, Fortier, Dumond) were drafted, 2 (Lefebvre, Masse) were signed as free agents, and 1 (Bournival)acquired by trade.
10 other players are from other Canadian provinces.
The list is rounded out by 6 American born players and 5 Europeans.
All told, it cannot be said that the Canadiens aren’t supportive of talent in their home province and country.
Darren Dietz is mistakenly listed as Nathan Dietz.
Josh McFadden and Olivier Dame-Malka invites are of interest, McFadden was present at development camp over the summer and was a high-scoring D in the OHL last season, potential PP specialist. Dame-Malka is undersized, but a quick defencemen with a bomb from the point from what I’ve been told.
Ben Winnett is a former University of Michigan teammate of Pacioretty and Palushaj as is Phil DeSimone, a former Capitals pick as well have picked up invites.
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Dame Malka is a great name.
OK it’s a great name for an elderly British sitcom actress, but it’s still a great name.
Invite Etienne Brodeur seems interesting too. He led the Q with 53 goals last season (9 more than Gallagher had out west). Who was the last guy at a Habs rookie camp to have led one of the CHL leagues in goal scoring? Steve Cadieux in 89? (the season after Stephan Lebeau led em in 88) I think it has been more than 20 years! Granted Brodeur seems more likely to end up like Cadieux than Lebeau, but it I still find it interesting to have him at this years rookie camp.
Current Hamilton Bulldog Gabriel Dumont in 2009 led the Q with 51 goals in his final season.
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Thanks, I missed that recent one. Did I miss any others between Dumont and Cadieux?
AHL All-Star Corey Locke in ’04 with 51G, if only he had the stones of Gionta.
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Thanks again Serious. Brodeur, Dumont and Locke who are all listed at 5’9″ Tough slogging at that size.
At that size there the 3 basic rules to reach the NHL.
It’s tough going, need to be able to out-accelerate almost anyone, finish your chances and not fear the big hit.
- I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
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Wonder how accurate the height/weights are.. Tinordi listed at 220 now. Schultz down too 188?..I’ve seen Berger listed as 205 before but only 193 here.
Different organizations give their players ‘help’ in their listings in height and weight, making them lighter/heavier. From what I heard Schultz hadn’t slimmed down at development camp so that’s a bit weird.
- I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
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Where is Kristo?
I believe he can’t attend professional rookie camps due without losing his NCAA eligibility.
Exactly.
Actually the rule is you have to cover your traveling expenses yourself, rather than the pro club paying for your stay. All part of the ‘don’t take a dime from anyone’ NCAA rules, that conveniently ignore the 400 perks an NCAA athlete enjoys when his program is the favourite son of the school alumni.
Otherwise Dustin Walsh wouldn’t be attending.
- I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
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NCAA conflict likely, anyone attending a rookie camp as an NCAA playerk has to cover expense out of their own pocket, Bennett, Pateryn, MacMillan, Quailer, Didier are not there either.
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So will Louis LeBlanc make the jump to the AHL this year or what?
I know it’s the end of the summer but I really haven’t heard much hype surrounding him?
He’s been rehabbing his shoulder all summer, and will apparently be ready for the start of the season. He’s expected to play in the AHL.
From everything I’ve read so far, he’s bound for Hamilton.
- I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
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Hey SF,
How about Tinordi? London or Hamilton?
He’ll be going back to the Knights from all indications, typical development philosophy is to have a player dominate at a level before bringing him to the next one. Tinordi will need to rule the OHL this season to show he’s coming into his own.
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Tinordi has to play Junior, he’s not eligible for the AHL because he never played in the NCAA.
He can do either. John Carlson got to skip right to the AHL as a 19-year old in 2009-10.
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Going to be a fun year to attend games
Who exactly do we bring in that’s worth a bucket of spit from free agency that isn’t A) Closer to Social Security Age than Draft Age or B) Can score more than 5 goals a season?
Just because MTL clears this cap space doesn’t mean we land players who are useful to the team.
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The other issue you have to remember is, who pays the bills?
Who says the Molsons even want to spend that much, if they feel they don’t have to?
There aren’t any good UFAs but maybe we can spend some of the $4M on a trade?
Sabres are 4M over the cap. We have 4M to spare. Derek Roy has a 4M cap hit.
(Yes I realize it’s not going to happen.)
If they think capping out will push the playoffs deeper, they’ll OK it. Two playoff games are worth 4 million, issue is the roster is filled and nobody is worth signing.
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You’ve got that right. No use throwing away good money after bad!
I’d venture to say that if they stay healthy, and all play the way the can, I think they could go deep anyhow. I know, it’s a lot of “ifs”.
I think there’s a second reason for the cap space. The CBA ends after this season and some pundits are saying the NHL will be looking for a roll-back of the cap limit like the NFL got. If Mtl spends to the cap limit this year, and the new CBA lowers the ceiling, Mtl must get rid of people. If Mtl keeps an extra cushion in the cap this year, then any rollback will have less or possibly no effect. It’s a prudent option for the team’s long-term stability.
Great thinking Jimbo