Canadiens recall Engqvist from Bulldogs

The Canadiens announced Wednesday that centreman Andreas Engqvist
has been called up from the AHL Hamilton Bulldogs. Engqvist will take
part in the team practice on Thursday, at the Bell Sports Complex in

The callup became necessary after Michael Cammalleri and Max Pacioretty were injured on Tuesday night in Buffalo. Cammalleri has a shoulder separation, Max-Pac bruised ribs.

Cammalleri, who suffered a knee injury around this time last season, will be out at least a month. Paciorett is feeling soreness and will be day-to-day.

The Engqvist call-up is a bit of a surprise. There was speculation Ryan White would be the Bulldog summoned to The Show.

Engqvist is the first Swedish Canadien since Niklas Sundström played six games in the 2005-’06 season.

Hockey’ on Enggqvist: He is a big, talented, and versatile center. He has good offensive
instincts and is not a liability defensively. Engqvist makes use of his
size and hands to score goals from in around the net. He has also been
used on the wing at times this season.

More to come.

The team’s release:

The Montreal Canadiens announced today that centreman Andreas Engqvist has been called up from the AHL Hamilton Bulldogs. Engqvist will take part in the team practice on Thursday, at the Bell Sports Complex in Brossard.
The 6’04’’, 197 lbs centreman, aged 23, appeared in 38 games with the Bulldogs this season, registering 14 points (6 goals, 8 assists). One of his goals was scored on the power play. Engqvist has also collected 73 shots on goal, maintained a +5 plus/minus differential and served 10 penalty minutes.
Engqvist played with Djurgarden of the Swedish Elite League from 2005-06 to 2009-10, recording 58 points (29-29-58) and 74 penalty minutes in 181 games. He also amassed 4 points (1-3-4) in 9 games in the 2010 World Hockey Championship in Germany.
A native of Stockholm, Sweden, Engqvist signed with the Canadiens as a free agent on July 13, 2009.

In November, Garry McKay profiled Engqvist in the Hamilton Spectator:

Andreas Engqvist is learning to do more with less.

The Hamilton Bulldogs rookie centre from Sweden is
playing his first season on the smaller North American-sized ice
surface and he admits it does take some getting used to.

“The play comes at you quicker on the smaller ice
here and because of that everything has to be quicker,” says the
6-foot-3, 198-pounder from Stockholm. “You get more shot opportunities
here and you also get open spaces in different places than on the bigger
ice surface in Europe.

“I like playing on the small ice and every day it
feels better. I’m learning new stuff every day and I’m starting to feel
pretty comfortable with this ice.”

Engqvist, who turns 23 on Dec. 23, has played for
Djurgårdens IF, in Stockholm, in the Swedish Elite League the past four
seasons. He also played for Sweden in this year’s world hockey
championships in Germany where he had a goal and three assists in nine
games in helping the Tre Kronor to a bronze medal.

He was undrafted but signed as a free agent with the Montreal Canadiens this past summer.

Engqvist has been used primarily in a checking
role so far with the Dogs. In 12 games, he’s managed two goals and three
assists and is a plus two playing against many of the other teams’ top

“Over here, there’s much more forechecking than there is in Sweden,” he says.

“The defensive play over there is more calm, here it’s check, check, check.”

Bulldogs head coach Randy Cunneyworth thinks Engqvist is adapting quickly to what he’s being asked to do.

“I think he’s been thrust into a more defensive
roll for us than maybe he has been from his previous teams. I don’t
think we want to limit his offence in any way. In fact, he has as much
licence as our most offensive guys, but obviously a lot of his energy is
going toward taking on the top lines on the other team and winning
those valuable faceoffs and he’s doing a great job at that,” he said.

“He’s a big, strong, smart player who can be very effective at both ends and we like his progress so far,” Cunneyworth added.

Engqvist calls his first National Hockey League
training camp with the Habs a pretty cool experience, especially since
he got into several pre-season games.

But, he says, he came over knowing most European
players don’t crack NHL lineups right off the bat and he might have to
play a season in Hamilton.


  1. lemess says:

    Thank you for my new facebook status:)

  2. StevieRay says:

    Him & Eller have nice size and are real prospects and shoould be around for a while …so add Pleks to the mix and things look bright ..but wait … we have Gomez for 3 more years along with his hideous salary …how we gonna manage that …especially with Price looking real good and will be looking for big bucks say 5 – 6 million/year in 2 years ????? decisions…decisions…

  3. CharlieHodgeFan says:

    Sorry Tommy B. I clicked to respond to a post above yours, to a poster who did do a Don Cherry (IMHO) and it dropped under you.

  4. adam76 says:


  5. gumper says:

    Yeah, just a little Max-crack;)

  6. Danno says:

    I’ve seen teams that suck. But the Leafs are the suckiest sucks that ever sucked!


    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  7. Danno says:

    You were just ribbing us eh gumper?


    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  8. observer says:

    they have one. the guy who was banned in college hockey. conboy.




  9. WestHab says:

    not a time to panic. Max could be back sooner than expected if you can believe RDS. Cammy will be back in a month at worst. Providing Price keeps up his pace we’ll have a chance to win each night. But I’ll take Umberger.

    – Who will be at the Heritage Classic?

  10. observer says:

    freeze block

  11. gumper says:

    Bad news that Max’s rib isn’t fractured. Means Wiz has lost a little velocity on the slapper.


    But seriously folks…

    It’s interesting to see the steady stream of players coming up from the Hammer. For the most part they are fitting in seamlessly.  All hale the system in its pervasiveness!!

  12. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    4-0 already!!! what a joke franchise!!

  13. observer says:

    a lot of sorrow in toronto right now down 4-0 after they said it was a huge game for the leafs.

  14. WestHab says:

    If we need the leaves to get us into the playoffs, I’d rather not.

    – Who will be at the Heritage Classic?

  15. HabFanSince72 says:

    Yeah, but they also say Cammy is out for at least 4 weeks.

    Not good.


  16. king ddd says:

    couple of statex or dilaudid should do it

  17. anotherhab says:

    I wonder how hot PG’s phone was today! A lot of teams think they are still in the playoff hunt so they are probably reluctant in letting go goal scorers — unless of course we overpay, which I doubt PG will do! I do think he needs to do something!

    So who might be available on the weaker teams that may come for a prospect and a pick, Someone who’s capable of filling in for Cammy and also help with some goals for the remainder of the year??? 

    Edmonton has Penner with another year at 4.5M and has 14G. Columbus has possibly Umberger with 16G (3.75M for another year), also Voracek with 29pts, 9G (RFA). Moulson from the Isles is also a UFA at 2.45M with 14G. And there’s Tanguay who has 33pts and is a UFA (1.7M), he would more than likely be least expensive pickup — I know we’ve been down that road before, however it’s just for the year and hopefully the playoffs!!  Who would you pick??


  18. observer says:

    He was an outstanding player at olivegardens the last few years!

  19. joeybarrie says:

    So the NYR were worried about this game without Dubinsky. Then they got on the ice and realized they were playing the TORONTO MAPLE LEAFS……….

    Man, can they win one freakin game for us…

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  20. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    C’mon Tony, we all know the Leafs are a garbage franchise run by misfits.

  21. observer says:

    But it counts as a safety against you.

  22. observer says:

    When you need the Leafs! They should bring back Reimer and send the monster back to Sweden.

  23. WestHab says:

    About wearing #66, woudln’t HNIC just love that give cherry material for 3 weeks.

    – Who will be at the Heritage Classic?

  24. SeriousFan09 says:


    I get a sense of Lemieux as well, in the sense that both of them are 6’4″, it ends right there though.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  25. Danno says:

    Drugs saved my life.


    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  26. LA Loyalist says:

    PRESS RELEASE: Jacques Martin has asked the NHL for an injury exemption allowing Habs to borrow a CFL rule allowing us to “punt” the puck from behind our own blue line rather than actually having to carry it forward down the ice via players. Regular icing rules would apply.

    If Habs manage to drop the puck in the offensive zone (not over the goal line) a face-off would occur in the offensive zone.

    The NHL office in Toronto declined to comment until they had a chance to discuss with Brian Burke and Ontario Teachers’ Union that runs the NHL.


  27. Hockey Socks says:

    Losing Halpern means losing a key PK and faceoff guy. They need someone with a similar skill set (particularly on faceoffs) and Engqvist is the guy.

  28. WestHab says:

    Thanks for that great news for now I’ll let myself believe it. The will try to skate tomorrow is encouraging. Max has been so important since coming up. His size is refreshing for our top six and gives this team much needed balance.


    – Who will be at the Heritage Classic?

  29. ProHabs says:

    Great call-up. Have seen this guy play a couple of times and his resemblance to Mario Lemieux is uncanning. Lets hope he wears number 66 for the Habs and watch him go.

  30. Chips says:

    Didn’t see this one coming, but I think it is likely a very good move. Honestly I totaly forgot about him being in Hamilton.





    25 in 2011

  31. JohnnyBEast says:

    If Eller didn’t have his opportunity before, he definitely will now. I think he had one of his best games last night. I hope he begins to find open areas on the ice. I think this stretch without cammy and maxpac will also dictate whether or not Ak46 gets a new contract from the Habs.

    I hope Gauthier doesn’t begin to scrammble and trade away picks and prospects for spair parts. Unless of course we are getting lit every night.

  32. TommyB says:

    No.  Berkely Orange.  I might have seen my hands as flippers at some point, though.

  33. fbkj says:

    thalydamide baby? how typin with those flippers?

  34. fbkj says:


    only cavemen, suits and tweenage girls use blackberries

    and lol re: sp

  35. TommyB says:

    Let’s assume that is true.  Then that is very good news.  Pain can be dealt with pharmaceutically (yes, I’m a product of the 60’s). 

  36. HardHabits says:

    Just read it at RDS. You keeping that iPhone/BlackBerry warm I see. 😉

    I dunno why but this post makes me think of the South Park episode “Creme Fraiche”

  37. fbkj says:

    my pants buzzing pwns reneau lavoie

  38. 134 says:

    RDS Reneau Lavoie just tweeted that MaxPac has bruised ribs. He saw the docs this afternoon and will try to skate tomorrow. They did a couple of tests and x-ray and the results are negative. Nevertheless he’s still in a lot of pain. 

    That’s certainly very encouraging and I’m so relieved to hear that!

  39. mbplekfan says:

    It will be nice to put out a big center for a change. Size is important in todays NHL.

  40. fbkj says:

    pants buzzed

    maxpac’s rib aint fractured

    severely bruised

  41. HabFanSince72 says:

    Who thinks the Habs should signsome minor league psychopath to be our designated fighter.


    There’s Jon “Nasty” Mirasty. The guy is like 5’4″ but he took on Boogaard like three times.



    Then there is Frank “The Animal” Bialowas.

    With a name like that, he has to be special.




  42. TommyB says:

    Don’t know where the hell you got the Don Cherryoid comment on Swedes from.  I suggest you re-read my comment without reading that into it.  Never said, nor implied, that at all.  I was strictly talking about the qualities as a player Endqvist brings, that White would not. 


  43. StevieRay says:

    6′ 4″…200 lbs ….. That’s what I’m talking about …

  44. Just A Guy says:

    Ha, well at least, yes. Tom tried to stick up for his teammates when he felt players were taking liberties with them. Ryan White is cut from the same cloth, though I can’t remember any of his fights, I think he’s a better fighter then Tom.

    “Tell him he’s Wayne Gretzky.” – Oilers coach Ted Green, after Shaun Van Allen suffered a concussion and couldn’t remember who he was.

  45. TommyB says:

    Yeah, I wasn’t going to mention any names….but, yeah.

  46. CharlieHodgeFan says:

    After training camp, it appeared the role as a call up in situations like this was White’s to lose. And he lost it.

    As for the Don Cherryoid comment on Swedes, I guess you never heard of Mats Naslund? I don’t know much about this call up, but let’s assume he’s earned it. Assume he’s a hard worker with talent, and see what pans out here.


  47. Just A Guy says:

    I forgot to include that Pouliot and Kostitsyn have the opportunity to take control of their destiny right now. Eller is a bit of a weak link, maybe, but if those two can play to their potential, maybe losing Cam won’t be so bad. After all Patches was brought up because JM/managment was reluctant to put Pouliot in the top 6. Needless to say I have a doubt, but I’m more then willing to mix that doubt with a hope.

    Pouliot is the teams best scorer per ice time and Kostitsyn leads the +/- and hits I think so its not like they aren’t getting involved in certain aspects of the game, I think everyone would say that its they can’t bring a complete game at a consitent basis.

    “Tell him he’s Wayne Gretzky.” – Oilers coach Ted Green, after Shaun Van Allen suffered a concussion and couldn’t remember who he was.

  48. HabFanSince72 says:

    pull a Tom Kostoplous on the next guy that takes a run at one of our guys …

    A Tom Kostopoulos? You mean allow the other guy to repeatedly hit you in the face?


  49. aemarchand11 says:

    Wasn’t Carbo the exact same with the Media? Just say the answer that will cause the least amount of media? I thought being an NHL coach for a respectable Oraganization was all about using Clichés? We dont have a coach with a big mouth like Wilson or Torts who walk the line in every interview.

    We won two playoff series with that dinosaur behind the bench, more than we have done since the last cup run. He drives me nuts with his boring system, but the fact is we’re winning and more successful then we were with Carbos up tempo version.

    Go Habs Go!

  50. TommyB says:

    I wasn’t thinking of White in terms of offensive thrust.  I just wanted to see someone come up and ring a few bells on opposition players.  But, from what I am reading here, it doesn’t seem as though Ryan White is doing very good at that either.  Funny how, as you say, training camp impressions of certain players linger longer than the reality of their capabilities.

  51. aemarchand11 says:

    He’s fast and he plays a team first style of game. Which is needed on our bottom six so the opposition doesnt get away with dirty headshots, a la Keleta.

    Pouliot and AK will be in the top six, and with them out of the bottom we need replacements.

    Go Habs Go!

  52. HabsFanInVictoria says:

    What Martin tells the media, and what Martin tells the players can be, and probably are, often two different things.

  53. PeterD says:

    I see a lot of folks on HIO calling for Ryan White to be brought up…what’s with the love affair for this guy…so he had a good camp in Sept.  SO WHAT.  What has he done lately?  What someone does in training camp should get him an invite to the big club if there is room…what you do on the farm is what should get you and invite to the show during the season.

    Just like Patches and Desharnais…they had good camps, but continued their performance in Hamilton.  That’s why they wer called up, not for what they showed in Sept. at camp.

    OK so White was injured and missed 14 game…but after 28 games in Hamilton he is not exactly tearing up the league.  White has 2 goals and 8 assists (10 pts) for 16th on the team in scoring (18th if you include Patches and Desharnais totals).  Dustin Boyd has 11 goals in half the number of games (14 games) as White (28 games).

    I think we have enough grinders in the dressing room now…what we need is offensive forwards and those are few and far between in our system right now.

  54. punkster says:

    a) The article is a bit wishy-washy. Does Cox want to take a stand on this, call out the league and NHLPA and make some suggestions? Seems like he may want to but for now he’s just milking the story. When he gets up a head of steam he may actually add something to the debate but for now, not really.

    b) Hard to say what the Habs will do as a group because you have all sides represented (owners, management and players). It would be nice to see them take the lead on the subject and come up with a concerted effort to stop the madness but I don’t know how they’d do it (geez, now I sound like Randy Tieman…I don’t know…I don’t know). Ban head shots, fine the player who does one additionally over and above the league fine, sit the player for X number of games…whatever it takes.


  55. TommyB says:

    Tough situation for a GM to be in.  Not much available talent in the minors, and the time frame for the injuries is not quite long enough to make a significant move, tradewise.   Not to mention he would be dealing from a distinct disadvantage.  I expect the Habs to band-aid their way through the next month and rely on Carey Price to save them night after night.  What else is new?  However, should the team take a serious nosedive in the standings, then I would expect something to be done, disadvantaged from a trade posititon, or not.   Best case scnenario would be for a couple of guys to step up their play (without mentioning names) and provide some kind of cushion for the team.  The next 4-6 games should tell the tale.

  56. PeterD says:

    double post sorry

  57. Just A Guy says:

    As much as I want to see Ryan White called up and at least pull a Tom Kostoplous on the next guy that takes a run at one of our guys, Enqvist is most likely here to replace Halpern for a spell. Don’t be suprised to see someone else called up. However, with Pyatt, Darche and Moen already on the team, don’t expect White to get the call.

    I don’t think there is an immedeate solution to the problems facing the habs for the next 4 weeks at best. JM’s system will help them win games, but teams can counter and isolate the teams top players now.

    “Tell him he’s Wayne Gretzky.” – Oilers coach Ted Green, after Shaun Van Allen suffered a concussion and couldn’t remember who he was.

  58. scrowe21 says:

    From the little I’ve seen, and what I’ve heard..White is having a pretty bad season in the AHL, and gets whooped in every fight.

  59. Danno says:

    Never say never. Never!

    Stay thirsty my friends!


    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  60. fbkj says:

    rds app is quite biased

  61. Will Longlade says:

    Any word on Halpern’s status? Engqvist seems to be cut in Halpern’s mold, but it’s also possible he’ll fill in on wing on the third or fourth line allowing Pouliot and AK46 to move up to the top six.

  62. HabsFansince49 says:

    My estimation of Carey Price rose significantly last night not because of his brilliant goal-tending but for the spontaneous mutual patting exchange between him and PK.  It was a wonderful gesture especially in light of Martin’s awful implied scolding of PK when he was interviewed prior to the game on TSN.  PK is the future. Martin reflects everything that is wrong with NHL hockey. We will never win anything with that dinosaur behind the bench. 


    I don’t pretend to be an expert; just a die-hard Habs fan passing my opinion

  63. Say Ash says:

    Your pants didn’t buzz?

  64. LA Loyalist says:

    Headshots: Interesting but discouraging article in Toronto Star today by Damien Cox, a decent hockey writer, if you want to check it out.

    Bottom line: don’t hold your breath on the NHL side or the NHLPA doing anything anytime soon. Companion article quoting Don Cherry.

    Be interested in hearing commentariat takes a) the article itself and b) what Habs should be doing about this stuff in the interim.

  65. mbplekfan says:

    Endqvist has played in the Swedish Elite League so he has experience playing against top level competition. He is being brought up to win faceoffs and play as a shutdown center.

    He is not being brought up to score goals or ignite the power play.

    This guy is the top defensive forward in Hamilton. He will play 3rd or 4th line minutes and continue to learn the North American game. JM and the staff obviously feel he is close to NHL ready and probably will benefit from the experience otherwise White, Maxwell or Palushaj would have got the call.


  66. adamkennelly says:

    nice call up…Engqvist… I know if I was the coach/GM and my team just got punked all night in a game that resulted in the injury of 2 or 3 players, I would make sure to bring up the highest ranked Swede on my farm team…what a joke..


    P.S.  Ryan White anyone?

  67. fbkj says:

    what would i do without t3h g00gles

  68. TommyB says:

    As much as I was hoping for White, I suppose the versatility of this player is the key.  Offensive instincts and not a defensive liability, plays centre or the wing.  Exactly what you want from a fill in who may/may not see much ice time.  I know things definitely look bleak today, but let’s not get too bent out of shape.  No need to panic here.  It looks to me like Hamilton is basically made up of these type of players.  Can’t expect the next Guy Lafleur to come out of the Dogs.

  69. Say Ash says:

    Dubinsky out a month, eh? Happy Schadenfreude, everyone!

  70. PeterD says:

    SeriousFan9 pointed out a couple of weeks ago that we have a serious shortage of talent on the LW side in the system…I am not a fan of converting forwards to other positions to try and “fill in”…time for a trade to pick up a scoring LW Pierre…now more than ever we need that help along that side.

    We are at the point in the season where wins are everything to us making the playoffs or not…if in fact Cammi and Patches are out for up to a month each, we need to get some strong experience in here right now and not spend too much time experimenting and “looking” at how some of our Hamilton players may or may not do.  Right now we lost experience nad we ned to replace that experience and maturity with established players.  If it was October, I might be saying lets take a chance on the kids in Hamilton and see who steps up…but now…no way, there is just oo little time and too much at stake at this point in the season.

    If Cammi and Patches miss a month playing time…that puts their returns at about Mid Feb.  With a couple of weeks to get back into game shape…we are now at the end of Feb or early March.  Playoffs in early April…without serious scoring help to replace these two we will likely be out of the playoffs by then.

  71. MTLForever says:

    Hope someone else is called also

  72. aemarchand11 says:

    I would like to see Dustin Boyd called back up, the guy is an NHL player and could play back on the bottom six in a checking role.

    Go Habs Go!

  73. aemarchand11 says:

    The Next Radek Bonk?

    Go Habs Go!

  74. Danno says:

    Looking forward to Serious Fan’s take on Endqvist and on what other call ups can or should be considered.



    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  75. SeriousFan09 says:

    As someone to replace Halpern, Engqvist was their best choice he’s probably the best defneise forward in Hamilton this season. He has size, he’s a RH shot and could be a Canadien down the line.

    Other call-ups, it’s a place your bets game of Palushaj, Maxwell and White. All have something to prove and are having tough AHL seasons, although Palushaj has more offensive talent than White and has better sandpaper than Maxwell, if you want a mix of the two, Palushaj is the guy and he’s an ex-teammate of Max Pacioretty from University of Michigan so if he hangs around, there’s some chemistry to tap in to.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  76. DearyLeary says:

    We just lost point producers, what should we do Jacques? 

    I know, call up a defensive specialist!

    Why… why!?

  77. Chuck says:

    Someone’s going to have to take AK’s minutes on that line.   :)

    Centre Hice: Price shines in 18-minute effort over Calgary

  78. punkster says:

    Well I don’t think they’d call up a rookie to play on the top two lines. We haven’t got a Crosby (or a goal scorer who is ready for the bigs) in the system so he’ll be playing 3rd or 4th line no doubt.


  79. SeriousFan09 says:

    I don’t recall reading that Jeff Halpern is ready to go for next game, if you need a guy from the farm to replace him, he’s your man. For all we know right know, JM, PG are on the phone with Cunneyworth discussing who’s the best offensive player to plug into the lineup as well.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  80. PeterD says:

    Dustin Boyd would probably get picked off the waiver wire…like Wellwood did.

  81. showey47 says:

    I think the issue is that boyd would have to clear re-entry waivers and would probably get claimed. Especially if they are only paying half his salary.

  82. Mad Habber says:

    St. Louis GM: “Svatos was claimed, Wellwood was claimed…Hmm, maybe we should check waivers ourselves? Oh look Dustin Boyd…Might as well claim him, at least we would actually get a forward.”

    I wonder if St. Louis offered signing bonuses to those guys?

  83. PeterD says:

    With Patches getting a broken rib by a Wiz shot…you think we had a problem with forwards fgoing to the net…I am now fairly certain it will not inspire our other forwards to go the front of the net and set up a screen…hey D-men…keep the shots along the ice…Please!

  84. Danno says:

    Has Pooh still got the flu?


    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  85. Hobie Hansen says:

    Garry Galley and Jason York brought up a very good point about the Habs on the Team 1200 in Ottawa today. They stated that the reason Montreal can overcome injuries better than a lot of team is because Jacques Martin employs such a solid defensive system. A guy goes down, someone below him fills his spot and it continues all the way down to the 4th line in Hamilton.

    The recent injuries will definitely push Montreal to the brink but with Price in net and a solid coach with a solid system in place, we’ll make the playoffs.      


  86. punkster says:

    It’s funny but I almost wish AK could stay off the top 2 lines for a while longer. His compete level was so much better since his talk and move down the lineup. Hate to see him revert to old habits just because he goes back to the scoring lines.


  87. fbkj says:

    so do we send eller down

    *chortle chortle chortle*

  88. punkster says:

    Cheap laughs…I love it!

    Opps, forgot the link


  89. DavidKB says:

    Very unimpressed with his play last night!

  90. Say Ash says:

    How many right-hand shots do we have now?

  91. Danno says:

    Good stuff SF! Thank you for this.

    I think the current situation merits a special edition of Habs Future on HIO.



    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  92. SeriousFan09 says:

    3 on D with Wiz, Weber and Subban, but only two up front with Halpern injured, Gionta is the lone RH shot in the Top-6, healthy lineup or not and Halpern was the only Bottom-6 forward to shoot right. Ex-Habs Lapierre and OB were RH shooters.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  93. LA Loyalist says:

    Agreed. Looks like the future has arrived ahead of schedule.

    To quote Buckaroo Banzai “No matter where you go, there you are.”

  94. LA Loyalist says:

    Serious you are scaring me that you know that off the top of your head.

    You should be playing the Lotto.

  95. ProHabs says:

    I missed last nights game, but saw some hilights. Who was the referee that called the penalty on Gomez.

  96. DavidKB says:

    Don’t know, but Gomez deserved the penalty.

  97. fbkj says:

    this is his LAST CHANCE to prove himself otherwise, hammertime

  98. DearyLeary says:

    I love Halpern, I think he’s one of the best buys in the NHL at the moment (free agency wise).  But if we’re looking for his replacement he needs to be a faceoff specialist to boot, and put in significant minutes on the penalty kill.  Do you believe Enquvist is going to be filling those roles?  

    If not then this callup makes zero sense.  I’ve watched him a bunch in Hamilton, and he’s been all but invisible.

    This shows our deep deficiency at the forward positions in our system, and I hope and pray that we can address depth during the draft/free agency this year.

  99. HabFanSince72 says:

    Trading Lappy and SK74 for nothing not a great idea I guess…

    We did get Boyd but can’t even recall him until after the trade deadline.


  100. avatar_58 says:

    Hey, don’t step all over his jump to conclusions mat

  101. DearyLeary says:

    Addition by subtraction.  Neither player was producing so PG tried to maximize the assets.  It doesn’t always work.  Doesn’t change the fact that this callup isn’t going to net any results.  

    Plugging a rookie into Halpern’s position doesn’t bode well.  Bring up your best players, don’t try to fill roles when injuries hit.  Enqvist has not been one of our best players in Hamilton, period.

  102. SeriousFan09 says:

    Prevailing thought from what I’ve read this season in HAM and what I’ve seen is Engqvist is the best defensive forward the team has and if you’re looking to replace a defensive forward like Hapern, you call up the top guy on the farm.

    There aren’t any guys on HAM we can call up and say “He can perfectly fill in for Halpern”, Engqvist has been taking a lot of PK time for the Bulldogs and defensive assignments, hence why he’s considered the top defensive forward, unlike say Maxwell or Palushaj, who are thinking offence-only a bit too much in their game.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  103. DearyLeary says:

    Just like Fubbalo deserved some checking from behind/boarding penalties late in the game.  The refs saw fit to turn a blind eye to those obvious fouls.  

    They had that ‘Let them play!’ horse**** attitude then, why change it all of the sudden?

  104. fbkj says:

    but it wont get clarified for you unless someone asks gomez what happened there and he and subban begin rolling their eyes

    had gomez punched subban in the face, then youd have a story

  105. Geoff F says:

    You might be absolutely right but that’s why i posted.  I was wondering if anyone had any insight on what happened.  My post was intended to get anybody that had more info (if at all) to comment on what i think i saw and provide more context if at all possible.  I didn’t get to see the last part of the game, and only saw the clips i provided a link to.

    Not sure how having a discussion about something i was hoping to clarify doesn’t do any good for anybody but i guess that is your opinion, because clarifying something does a lot of good for me. 

  106. fbkj says:

    gomez said to him, “dude, turn around and look down”

    there mystery solved :)

  107. Geoff F says:

    I’m trying not to but it’s clear that Gomer snubs him and it’s clear PK is a little dejected right after it.   So i’m not sure it’s a non story.  It’s not acceptable to not support your teammate after he helps out in the win.   Regardless of what you may or may not think of him, it’s a team first mentality. (PK’s celebration is not a selfish reaction despite what people might think.  I’m not one for those celebrations myself, because it’s bad Karma (i.e. Fleury on Price etc…)  I’d just prefer to celebrate with my teammates, a few fist pumps and i’m good.  But that’s just me, i certainly don’t begrudge PK for doing what he did.  I don’t get the Gomez treatment at all.  In fact i recall being annoyed with Gomez’s smart arse jokes with the media earlier on in the season when he really wasn’t playing well at all.  That seemed more disrespectful than PK’s goal celebration. 

    I hope this doesn’t lead to some division in the locker room.

  108. gumper says:

    Link please?

  109. Danno says:

    I didn’t think much of it either until I looked at the clip more closely and it is true what you say about both PK and Gomez. PK definitely looks dejected after he gets the snub from Gomez who seems to glare at him while muttering something as he skates right by him. It’s probably a little thing, but with huge egos involved everything gets magnified way out of proportion. This needs to be adressed and whatever is the issue it needs to be resolved for the good of the team.


    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  110. gumper says:

    You are very confident in your inferencing skills.

  111. Geoff F says:

    Actually i am.  I don’t know what happened and that’s why i am trying to see what others are saying and it appears most people believe nothing happened.  I must be nuts because it’s pretty plain to see that most guys are patting Subban or face washing him except for Gomez who skates right by him.  That’s not normal, whether i infer it incorrectly or not, it stands out for a reason.


  112. Danno says:

    Just pause at the 35 second mark and you will notice Gomez skating right by Subban.


    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  113. punkster says:

    Now have a look at the video again and count the number of guys who congratulate or facewash PK then identify them by name. Those who you do not identify or who do not congratulate him, are they, too, guilty of snubbing? You’re seeing exactly what some media hack at RDS wants you to see because they’re the ones who started this so-called controversy over an after goal snub. Watch the video again.


  114. ZepFan2 says:

    Actually, he’s right.

    I watched it and Subban tries to go to Gomez, but Gomez just said something and kept skating. Subban looked like he was a little dejected.


    “Young people have seen that a team can play electrifying, fascinating hockey while still behaving like gentlemen.”

    ~Serge Savard~

  115. ZepFan2 says:


    The same one I just went to check.


    “Young people have seen that a team can play electrifying, fascinating hockey while still behaving like gentlemen.”

    ~Serge Savard~

  116. punkster says:

    Dan, as I said above, how can anyone make that sort of call given the incident is caught over a 3 second period during which time Gomez’s face is mostly hidden and PK has his back to the camera most of the time. For anyone to jump to a conclusion from a 3 second partial video capture is a bit odd, don’t you think? My view is, just as valid as anyone else’s from that same peice of video, no controversy.


  117. ZepFan2 says:

    Well this I know for sure. Gomez wasn’t cracking a joke with PK.

    Seriously, all you have to do is look at PK after he turns around. He looks down.


    “Young people have seen that a team can play electrifying, fascinating hockey while still behaving like gentlemen.”

    ~Serge Savard~

  118. fbkj says:

    but you dont know what was said thats the thing, most probably gomez sayin tone it down, which is something normal to say to a rook, but even thats guesswork

    to dictate speculation over complex relationships that we are not privvy to based on 3 seconds of RDS feed does nothing good for anybody

  119. Geoff F says:

    Thanks dude.  I posted the link to the video in another post and it’s as clear as day.  I’m trying to entertain the idea that i’m wrong seeing as lots of people seem to disagree with me but it’s clear as it can be.


  120. Geoff F says:

    Dude, try this.  Blink your eyes and tell me the first thing you see.  Then what i’m going to do is try to convince you that what you saw/interpreted isn’t real based on the fact that you only saw what you saw for a fraction of a second.  3 seconds is a long time and if you add the fact that as Gomez skates by while EVERYONE ELSE IS MOBBING PK, and then while PK had been smiling is suddenly NOT smiling i think you have to agree that it’s ODD that you aren’t entertaining the possibility that PK WAS SNUBBED.

  121. Geoff F says:

    Maybe Gomez is the Old Spice guy?  😉

  122. fbkj says:

    i know one thing that will come of this, the players will go “great now the fans are going to analyze us at all times on youtube after everygame

    sign me up for another reason to test free agency!”

  123. fbkj says:

    seriously dude sometimes i have issues with people i work with

    im imagining my composure on youtube

    and my aunt’s comments would be the equivalent

    “OH MY… what happened to johnny here…”


  124. ZepFan2 says:

    Or maybe…get the F away from me.

    Believe me, they’ve settled any animosity. It’s over.

    It was just a moment, but it did happen!


    “Young people have seen that a team can play electrifying, fascinating hockey while still behaving like gentlemen.”

    ~Serge Savard~

  125. gumper says:

    Dunno, but I’d be careful about reading too much into three seconds of grainy YouTube video. PK does look rebuffed, however. If Gomez really is buying into the “PK must be toned down” camp I’ll be both surprised and disappointed. Can’t imagine, since he set up the winning goal, that he wasn’t pleased with the result.


  126. fbkj says:

    sure, but imagine how many times this has happened before youtube

    these guys are under enough pressure to do their jobs

  127. ZepFan2 says:

    I understand. But it still looked weird. Subban looks like a scolded puppy after.

    Gomez most likely explained why he was miffed in the room. Then he made PK write, “G-love is da bomb”, 200 times on the board. 😉


    “Young people have seen that a team can play electrifying, fascinating hockey while still behaving like gentlemen.”

    ~Serge Savard~

  128. Geoff F says:

    So the moral of this story is that if people would have answered my question as to whether there was something there behind what i thought i saw we could have avoided this whole exchange.

    I clearly stated that i hadn’t seen it and was wondering if i was missing the context.   Apparently nobody knows and now i am satisfied that something happened between Gomer and PK and it might be trivial and it might be slightly more than that.  I hope it’s trivial, i’ll leave it at that!

  129. ZepFan2 says:

    V for Valium!


    “Young people have seen that a team can play electrifying, fascinating hockey while still behaving like gentlemen.”

    ~Serge Savard~

  130. fbkj says:

    my problem is, which i clearly stated with my first reply, was the source of those who brought this to everyones attention

  131. fbkj says:

    “Prime time is to thank G Love before doing the robin hood!”


  132. fbkj says:

    Y is for

    you never met my aunt pattie

    her head exploded when we brought her to vegas

  133. Geoff F says:

    So are you saying the youtube feed is a doctored 9/11 conspiracy and the snub didn’t happen?  I’m not understanding you.


  134. fbkj says:

    im saying it was first brought up on antichambre

    which is basically fox news for habs fans

  135. punkster says:

    Hey JL, now I’m hearing Gomez punched PK in the face. I saw it on a blog comment here so it must be true 😉

    (God protect us from media hype and televised Maple Leaf games)


  136. Geoff F says:

    I didn’t know that when i posted, all i had seen was the Youtube video.  So the fact that Antichambre commented on it does it mean what we saw didn’t happen?  The issue is whether it’s something or nothing.  I’m inclined to think it is a very small something given what i think happened as was discussed above. 

  137. fbkj says:

    dude let me put down my friggin laptop

    antichambre is one of the outlets where the kostitsyn brothers (and hamrlik) were connected to the mob (they werent but this was never recanted)

    koivu sucks cuz he cant speak french (he could just not as good as finnish, swedish and english)

    i understand your wanting to get to the bottom of it from toronto but trust me this sh[t gets old when its water cooler talk the next day cuz its in your backyard

  138. ZepFan2 says:

    Hah, I knew it!!

    You must have found that out from the buzz in yoir pants. 😉


    “Young people have seen that a team can play electrifying, fascinating hockey while still behaving like gentlemen.”

    ~Serge Savard~

  139. fbkj says:

    i want a fleshlight app


    did i say that outloud?

  140. habguy says:

    actually Gomez is the laughing stock of the league at 8 mil, with 6 goals.

    5 years since that minor leaguer scoired 20 goals.

  141. fbkj says:

    which would suck if he was a goal scorer

  142. Mark C says:

    Hey, give them some credit they have twice as many shots as the Rangers have goals!

  143. habs001 says:

    so true…but the sad thing is that we will get beaten by them probably at least 2 more times…

  144. Propwash says:

    Leafs are a joke.



    Goalies in Montreal have two roles, netminder and scapegoat. 

  145. ooder says:

    what was your first clue lol


    88 is the new 23

  146. newbrunswick troy says:

    Yes the Leafs are a joke..but more importantly…” Komisarek ” is the laughing stock of all 5-6 million dollars players (Boys he sucks)

  147. HabFanSince72 says:

    Leafs have the 3rd highest paid defence in the league, behing Philly and Vancouver.

    Phaneuf and Komi signed for another three years a piece, at $11M/yr.

    No prospects.

    No draft picks.

    But at least they have the genius Burke at the helm.


  148. Sheldon says:

    But can he put a puck in the ocean off the end of a pier?

  149. Everlasting1 says:

    6-0 Rangers. Gaborik with 4 goals.


    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  150. Mark C says:

    How about that Artem Anisimov, I hope the Habs follow the Rangers blueprint with him on Avtsin. Two years in the AHL, first getting his feet wet leaning the game and then the second to dominate.

  151. Sheldon says:

    Gaborik has four goals with a full period of hockey left to play! Maybe not all guys whose surnames begin with G suck?

  152. Sheldon says:

    Hey, what about all that truculence? That stuff doesn’t come cheap!

  153. HNS says:

    It’s true, the Leafs are effin useless…….

  154. christophor says:

    On the “double standard” for how Subban should conduct himself

  155. StevieRay says:

    I suggest they need to bring in a hot shot GM & Coach ,,, sign a ” monster “… have the 3 rd highest paid defense in the league and trade away a 1st rounder …….opps they already tried that ..sorry I forgot HEEHEE

  156. JD_ says:


    I’m not an NHL head coach – I just play one on the Internet – but I’m thinkin’ this isn’t the beginnin’ of a Loafs winnin’ streak. I mean, you never know, the Habs did come back from 5-zip against the Sathers, but I’m not so sure it’s in the cards tonight.

    How much more yellin’ and humiliatin’ and callin’ out and debasin’ does Wilson have left in his bag o’ tricks? What’s he gonna do now? Shortsheet their hotel beds? Key their Bugattis?

    Dear Ron,

    This is the end
    Beautiful friend
    This is the end
    My only friend, the end
    Of our elaborate plans, the end
    Of everything that stands, the end
    No safety or surprise, the end
    I’ll never look into your eyes…again

    Disdainfully yours,


    C’mon, Gabber, 6 points in the third. Rewrite the record books.

    My sources are tellin’ me Newsy took MaxPac out for dinner tonight to make up for what happened. Word is it was the Bar-B-Barn. That Newsy, what a kidder.

  157. Keith says:

    What a truely pathetic s**t show the laffs franchise is. They can’t do anything right, even when I want them to beat the dirty rags. I guess the curse I put on them is working too well. And they scored another one on them 7-0 lol! What a joke LOL!!!

  158. habs-hampton says:

    Why didn’t the media (TSN) make a big deal out of Chara celebration as they were embarassing the Canes. Talk about rubbing their noses in it. Oh well, Chara will learn as he gets older.

    I really hope that the Gomez snub wasn’t real. If it was, I just lost a lot of respect for him.

    Don’t change a thing PK!  You’re doing alright!

  159. habs-hampton says:

    Did anyone see the Promo page on

    “Leafs begin playoff push vs. Rangers, LIVE on TSN”

    Hahahahahahahahaha!!!   That kills me!!!

  160. Mark C says:

    And Chara’s celebration was premeditated; he talked after the game about how he stole the move from Bondra. At least Subban’s was spur of the moment.

  161. JD_ says:

    To be fair, the Loafs are pushin’ the playoffs vs the Rangers live on TSN.

    Further and further away.

  162. christophor says:

    Forgot the link in the post below:

    The comments are interesting. There’s one douche in there commenting, and I don’t mean me.

  163. Matt_in_TO says:

    Gotta love the Ranger fans chanting “Sloppy Seconds” towards Phaneuf.


    – In Price We Trust

  164. habaholic68NJ says:

    If I were a Leaf fan, I would wear a bag over my head.  Pathetic team.

  165. habs-hampton says:

    They still chant “Potvin sucks” when the Isles are playing them. They’re unique (thankfully).

  166. habs-hampton says:

    Is that where they’re going to bury this team?  in a bog?

  167. Matt_in_TO says:

    Nothing wrong with unique.  I’d like to think we Habs fans are unique.


    – In Price We Trust

  168. Hobie Hansen says:

    Even when the Habs were at their worst in the late 90s and early part of the 00s, we never missed the playoffs as often as this current Leafs streak. I’ll take a few injuries and a possible down year over the Habs ever looking like the mess down the 401!

  169. Mattyleg says:

    Just waiting to hear Don Cherry’s rant about teams racking up the score.

    He only ever does that if it’s against the Laffs or the Booin’s.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  170. Hobie Hansen says:

    I think he said it about the Canadian juniors too…

  171. showey47 says:

    colton orr is such a cement head,just got a 5 minute major for slashing.

  172. Matt_in_TO says:

    And it couldn’t be happening to a better group of fans.


    – In Price We Trust

  173. JD_ says:

    Just another pig. Full intent to injure.

  174. Keith says:

    LOL 7-0!!! Fold the franchise! Move them to Siberia lol! Give Big-Mouth Burke a lifetime contract lol!

  175. habaholic68NJ says:

    I fixed the typo before I saw your comment.  But after thinking about it, they look like they are playing on a frozen bog.

  176. Nahlsy says:

    Cherry did better than his Leafs, his squad got a goal so they only lost 7-1 to team Orr. Maybe the Leafs should sign Don to coach next.

  177. JohnBellyful says:

    They’re not all bad. Some have completed public school and are contributing members of society.

  178. punkster says:

    To think, I used to worship that sweater. Makes me question my moral compass and entire value system not to mention my ability to see that snub Gomer gave PK in the Zapuder video that’s going around. Actually as someone pointed out earlier it wasn’t just a snub. He actually took a swing at him. You can see it in frame 276.


  179. Hobie Hansen says:

    It’s so nice to see this happening to the Leafs and their fans. I was living in the GTA when Montreal was brutal in the 5-7 years previous to the lockout. Not to mention it was a time when the Leafs were buying their way into the playoffs by signing 2 or 3 good players at every deadline.

    I would take a serious beating in pubs and at parties when people heard I was a Habs fan. I was outnumbered and on top of it all the Habs stunk almost as bad as the Leafs do now.

    It is so sweet seeing the Leafs in their current situation. I hope when the Leafs finally sneak into the playoffs, in about 3 years from now, the Habs finish in top spot and sweep them in four games.

    LEAFS SUCK!     

  180. duffy says:

    Maguires monster sieve,JONAS GUSTAFFSON.

  181. Ron says:

    Wilson shows he is a class act for even putting that f**khead on the ice in the last 2 mins of the game.

  182. JD_ says:

    I presume you know about the second swinger?

  183. Rugger says:

    Did you catch his monster of the game last night?  The Habs trainer!

  184. punkster says:



  185. petrov14 says:

    Leafs lose to Rangers 7-0, officially eliminated from National Hockey League.

    ______________________________________ Long live Captain Gionta.

  186. JD_ says:

    Witnesses place him at the icy knoll.

  187. joeybarrie says:

    You know its not so cool of everyone to pick on the Leafs. They are a good team and getting better. I mean look at what they are currently doing for the Boston Bruins. And now they are even advertising their services for helping other teams push for the playoffs. They did a very good job tonight, and i hope their consulting fee is quite high. They are still in the hunt for getting a top 5 pick for our divisional rivals Boston, and continuing their strong tradition of almost never making the playoffs…

    Could you imagine having to support that team year after year???  They should change their Logo and name to Snow Flakes. That way they can use their current slogan ‘ Toronto Snow Flakes, see them while you can, cause they wont make it till May’…

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  188. Landof10000lakesHab says:

    This is what I had posted early this am on HIO >>> thx for listening PG.

    If Halpern was to miss time, then Andreas Engqvist would likely be called up as he offers the defensive centre strength in the pipeline.

    Your probably thinking “Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn once in a while”, and i’m ok with that.

  189. dicktracy says:

    Remind me, was it Maguire who said something to the effect of Komiserak being the talent of the Markov Komi defence duo?

  190. punkster says:

    Mr. Mustard…in the library…with a candlestick.


  191. habs365 says:

    Maxwell is a better player than Engqvist..oh I forgot PG and Martin don’t like good players..remember a player by the name of PK..he was benched.

  192. Hobie Hansen says:

    I thought he was benched for giving up the puck late in the game and costing us goals?

  193. kempie says:

    Yeah, I believe he said something to the effect of Markov won’t be as good now that he doesn’t have Komi to cover for him or something like that. But yeah, that was him.

  194. Mark C says:

    Give it up that was 20 games ago and Engqvist fits the role needed better than Maxwell.

  195. kempie says:

    Some of them can be relatively high-functioning but they’re in the minority.

  196. twocents says:

    Yup, he also compared Komisarek, Beauchemin and I believe Schenn(could have been Kaberle) to Lapointe, Savard, and Robinson.

    Somehow some people still think this guy has a clue.

  197. JohnBellyful says:

    I think everyone is missing the bigger story here. Watch the clip again. Gomez crosses the blue line on the left side, natch, AND THEN CUTS INTO THE MIDDLE. That’s right, the middle. If he was miffed afterward, it was because PK was getting all the attention for scoring an OT goal, as if no one has ever done that before, and nobody came around to give him a pat on the back for his doing something out of the ordinary. I think the snub was still bothering him when he took that penalty against Buffalo.

    Still don’t believe me? Frame 124 shows him cutting to the middle.

  198. Hobie Hansen says:

    In Pierre’s defence, Komisarek played awesome in Montreal unil his shoulder popped out and he lost his edge. He went from being th ultimate defensive partner to a joke, kinda crazy.

  199. j2w4habs25 says:

    Toronto showing their true colors out there tonight!! lol…right on… but forget them…I was just checking this dude’s stats and I hope he can get something going here for us. And to bat it off, we got Ottawa Fri and Ducks on Sat- it should be a good back to back nights here. I cant wait for Saku’s return. It should be like this > but at the Bell Centre 😀


    Carey Price #31

  200. punkster says:

    Left…then to the middle. Left…then to the middle.


  201. T-roy West says:

    Some people suggest that we should pick up another defencemen such as Regher or whomever. The problem with that is if we bring Emelin over and resign the Wiz and Markov then that puts the Wiz on the third line with Gorges and I think he has too much offence to play third pairing minutes. The lines do look good though.

    Markov , Emelin

    Regher , Subban

    Wiz , Gorges

  202. Mark C says:

    I think remember him killing the Habs for signing Gill and Spacek during TSN’s Free Agency show.

  203. Hobie Hansen says:

    Kind of weird how every TV and Radio station in the States and Canada fights to get him on their show?

  204. JohnBellyful says:

    And some of them — dare I say it — are our relatives. Black sheep of the family. Pugnacious black sheep, mind you.

  205. HardHabits says:

    Actually, he said Markov would be eating glass and in a way, and I really hate to admit it, McGuyer might be on to something. Markov never got injured when Komisarek was there to police the back end with him. That was until Lucic exposed Komisarek as not really that tough after all. Hindsight is 20/20 but maybe OB could have filled that role. Maybe Markie would be here today if OB was by his side all the while. One thing for sure when Markov returns, he needs a defensive partner that will crunch anybody who even thinks of pulling stunts on him. A stay at home monster like a Scott Stevens or something.

    I am sick of seeing the Habs getting owned out their physically. Raise your hands everybody who watched the 1976 SCF Habs vs. Flyers? If not you wont understand what I am talking about.

    This is too many injuries in bunches and spread out over time. The Habs are burning both ends of the injury candle.


  206. dicktracy says:

    Your right, I loved him back then and had high hopes…too bad. Maguires still wrong again anyway though.

  207. Hobie Hansen says:

    well I’m sure if you were on TV 24hrs a day not all of your predictions would be dead on…

  208. HardHabits says:

    Made a creme du courge soup using my Magic Bullet last week.

  209. dicktracy says:

    The Big Bird puts Dornhoffer through the boards and the bullies fold.

  210. joeybarrie says:

    OK so this is the first post I have read, so excuse me if I dont get the joke… Is this sarcasm?

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  211. twocents says:

    It’s because he SOUNDS like he knows what he’s talking about. That’s good enough for lots of people. It’s like some posters here, others think some posters know something because they say things so assuredly.

    In fairness, he is better on the radio, but that doesn’t excuse the garbage he’s spewed on TV fo me.

  212. habs365 says:

    we’ll see after saturdays game

  213. Mark C says:

    Maybe we should give him more than one game?

    I get that Maxwell is the better player, but the Habs are looking to fill a very particular role that requires skills that Maxwell does not possess.


  214. Mark C says:

    I get what you’re saying, but I don’t see how Scott Stevens himself could have protected Markov on the two hits he hurt his knee. Cooke was just finishing his check and the Staal play was just odd. Is having a tough guy riding shotgun going to stop Cooke from making a check or Staal from going to a loose puck?

  215. Bill says:

    Ohmigod, I remember the big three comparison. That was painful. Even for Maguire.

    Full Breezer 4 Life

  216. T-roy West says:

    Sarcasm? No. I was just saying that it would look weird having the Wiz on the third line pairing considering he’s offensive skills. But I guess you could put him with Markov or Regher and put Emelin with Gorges. I’m not complaining because it would be an awesome defensive core and it could easily be done. Why did you think it was sarcasm….just curious.

  217. HabFanSince72 says:

     ” Komisarek will really bloom now he doesn’t have to carry Markov”.


  218. Duracell3 says:

    Markov and Gorges have to be signed as will Wiznewski, and I’m not sure what plans you have for Spacek in this setup, as well as Weber/Picard. Also, getting Emelin to leave Russia is a topic in and of itself.

  219. Bill says:

    It would be nice if we had to worry about that. However, consider that (a) The Wiz is playing himself into a monster deal and the Habs will probably not be able to afford him, (b) Emelin may very likely just stay in Russia, (c) Markov’s injuries have seriously threatened his career and Gauthier may think twice about throwing big money at him (though I wouldn’t hesitate). Add to that the fact that chances are there will be no other big-name D-man trades for the Habs this year, so Regher is probably not an issue.

    If you want to be concerned, be concerned about what we actually have on defence next year: Spacek and Subban. Gorges is a highly likely RFA returnee. So is Weber, I’d imagine. Then there’s Picard, also RFA. So …

    Spacek Subban

    Gorges Weber

    Picard ???

    That’s our D as it stands.


    Full Breezer 4 Life

  220. Duracell3 says:

    And for drafting Price.

  221. Duracell3 says:

    “Fish sticks” against the isles was the funniest thing I’ve ever seen in hockey. Sloppy seconds on the other hand makes me glad they’ve won 2 cups in 70 years.

  222. T-roy West says:

    I have no plans for Spacek in this setup. Trade him, put him on waivers doesn’t matter to me. Same goes for Weber and Picard. Seriously, who would you rather have on your team Emelin, Weber or Picard? Apparently it was reported that Emelin would consider coming over to play but only if he was guaranteed a spot and he couldn’t be sent down. Besides Tinordi, we really don’t have much for defence coming down the pipe. At least on offence we have Leblanc and Kristo.

  223. T-roy West says:

    Bill I am concerned about our defense not only for next year but for the next few years. Defense should be a big time priority for this team. We need a really good top four defense that logs a lot of minutes and can move the puck and score. I know in a cap world money is tight but if the offense isn’t coming from the forwards then it has to come from the back end. Spacek, Weber and Picard would never make it on my team. Management is responsible to put the best team on the ice and I don’t think that they have tried hard enough even though I think PG has done not so bad so far.

  224. Landof10000lakesHab says:

    You may have forgot to mention that Spacek is a +35 yr old signee thru end of next season.

    If Markov and Wiz are signed (UFA), and Gorges (RFA) as well, and if LD Emelin chooses to play in North America next season (and the Habs live with a back to KHL clause, if forced to play with the Dogs), then we could see the following:

    Markov   PK

    Spacek   Wiz

    Gorges   Weber

    Emelin could be #7D and used in favor of Weber when the Habs play the more brutal teams. Gorges is a natural LD who has played RD in his time with the Habs, so can alternate side as needed.

    There is little doubt that Regher is a quality Dman. The salary associated to the above mentioned D group would place the Habs slightly less than where they started the season, which was the 4th highest Cap % of D $ in the NHL. Adding a Regher (4.0m for the next couple of seasons) would place the Habs in a tough situation within the Cap world.

    With the comments that occur on HIO daily about upgrading 1 – 2 forwards, thinking PG better not blow the entire stack on D.



  225. Mike D says:

    I’ll be at the game Sat. night and will be at my loudest to make sure Saku gets an ovation like that!  Hopefully 21,272 other people have the same notion!

    – Honestly yours

  226. habs365 says:

    maxwell is putting up points at 79% after having played 33 games

    Engqvist is putting up points at 37% after having played 38 games

    if their bringing this guy up for the 4th line, he’ll fit in..if he’s gonna be a top six..maxwell is the player..anyway it’s JM and PG problem..I really don’t care who they bring’s been 18 years since they won a cup..whats another year, they ain’t gonna listen to what us fans have to say..remember it’s not hockey’s a business and as long as the fans keep coming to the games everything is honky dory. 

  227. VancouverHab says:

    A Universal Truth of Life, eh 2C?

  228. VancouverHab says:

    The Canuckleheads have the 2nd highest-paid defense in the NHL???

    Assuming it’s true, that is completely surreal.

  229. Everlasting1 says:

    Rebuilding the lesser of the two evils?


    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  230. LA Loyalist says:

    that was funny. Maybe that’s Burke’s next gig, he’s just planning in advance.

  231. Everlasting1 says:

    lol No worries, you’ve been absolved of all crimes.


    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  232. Geoff F says:

    Hey guys, i know this is off topic and a little late but i was just browsing around and saw some video after PK’s goal celebration where Gomez snubs him.  Unfortunately i didn’t get to see the full feed and i’m not sure if i missed something.  Is Gomer being a knob or did PK do something?  I don’t see it anywhere and i’m trying to figure out if PK ignored Gomez after his goal or was it just the celebration that is bugging him.

    I have to say i’m a little perturbed if that’s just Gomez’s reaction to the celebration.  Not a fan of the division this could be causing in the room and i’m not a fan of making PK feel bad for doing it. 

    Just wondering if anyone has seen this and has more context around what’s going on….


  233. LA Loyalist says:

    Gomez doesn’t like PK being on the up escalator while he is on the down escalator, that’s all. Yeah, it’s worrisome, but my money is on PK. 


  234. fbkj says:

    its a non story

    dictated by those who brought you mafia wars

    dont bite

  235. punkster says:

    Manufactured controversy. No story there. Move along.


  236. SeriousFan09 says:

    Habs fans lead the league in worrying about non-stories.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  237. PeterD says:

    The more people ask about this kind of crap, the more it can take on the look of a story…

    I believe the are a few media folk out there that like to criticize PK for being PK…these people and the so called NHL old guard should wake up and look around…it’s 2011, not 1950.

  238. newbrunswick troy says:

    I,d normally be the first to say stop digging for something thats not there!!!!BUT upon looking at your clip a dozen time, i can,t help but think the same thing!!!It actualy looks like P.K tries to talk to him and Gomez then snuffs and P.K turn in embarasment!!!!

    maybe i,m wrong,  but i think you got apoint

  239. StevieRay says:

    Gomez ??  knob …nuff said !

  240. A. Berke says:

    Yes, you saw that correct, gomer snubbed P.K.

    I, of course wasn’t privy to what Gomer said but it was obvious from his body language that it was something rather negative and thus, he was being a knob. 

    IMO, instead of sweeping this incident under the rug (like some posters are trying to do), it should be addressed by the coaching staff and players. This kinda crappy attitudes/egos become the cause of division in the room (usually sooner than later) and are not conducive for an united team spirit.

    Ali B.

  241. Mr.Hazard says:

    I believe RDS is saying MaxPac has a contusion, not a fractured rib as previously reported.

  242. CBrady12 says:

    a contusion is basicaaly a bruise i believe

  243. Everlasting1 says:

    The Leafs are suffering from a serious case of f–kup fatigue. Might as well call up the Marlies. I don’t know what’s left on coach Wilson’s contract, but I don’t see him lasting past the ASG break – provided they care at this point. 


    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  244. HardHabits says:

    The Leafs are in rebuilding mode…. only problem is the team they’re rebuilding is the Bruins.

  245. gumper says:

    I’d like to know what the etiquette is for celebrating game winning goals. Do you have to have played in the league for a certain number of years? Do you have to be from a specific ethnic group? Or is it just a rule that if you play for the Habs that such celebrations are considered inappropriate? Cuz, when I’m up and dancing in my livingroom while PK expresses the purest joy to be gleaned from the game, I’d like to know if I’m dating myself. I really want to get on board with the current thinking around this, because I don’t want to be shunned by true afficionados of the game.

  246. Geoff F says:

    Like i mentioned below i’m not one who would engage in that but that doesn’t mean it does not have it’s place.  If your natural reaction to a big goal is to do that then you should celebrate, whether it’s your first year or not. 

    I personally am not a huge fan of the staged celebration but again that’s just me.  I’m just happy he scored the goal and I pumped my fist with the same enthusiasm that he displayed the archer.  It’s all good and more power to him.

    I think the general consensus is for the Vets to lead the way in terms of defining the image of the team and the rookies are expected to follow that lead.  Not sure that works anymore and PK isn’t a problem, he’s just a really exuberant kid.  We’re not talking Sergei K here. 

  247. PeterD says:

    “…shunned by true afficionados of the game.” ??

    You mean the old fart idiots that still think it’s 1950 and those that wear shower curtains for sports coats and thinks that is cool…??

    If people (media) would spend less time analyzing everything PK does on the ice and more time celebrating the skill, panache, energy and passion the kid brings to the game we would all be better off and the NHL might actually evolve out of the neanderthal age where the so called old school “code” is everything….what a load of BS.

    WIth more focus on celebrating success and great plays the NHL might find a way of actually promoting the game south of the border.

  248. likehoy says:

    there’s nothing wrong with celebrating.

    you don’t know when the next time you’re going to score a goal let alone a big one so you might as well take it all in.

    I don’t blame any of these guys, they work their butts off to play in the NHL and they should be proud and excited to be there.

    – Gomez is holding down the “overpaid” button

  249. gumper says:

    Please note ironic tone, folks.

  250. zak says:

    In an interview JM said P.K. has to be or act like more of a professional but he never explained what he meant.It’s too bad that the interviewer didn’t ask him what he thought a true professional should act like when he scores the OT winner.

  251. WestHab says:

    French lesson of the day?

    – Who will be at the Heritage Classic?

  252. StevieM61 says:


    Subdermal heamatoma (sp?) sounds better

    Bullet holes in my mirrors . . . .

  253. Everlasting1 says:

    I think internal bleeding is involved from broken blood vessels. A brain contusion is more severe than a concussion (bruised brain w/ some nerve damage, but no bleeding).


     “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

     Don’t pollute the water.

  254. Mark C says:

    Yes, but a bad one in that it is deep and bone tissue is damaged. Or something like that, I only play a doctor on TV.

  255. CBrady12 says:

    huh? what french lesson? contusion is an english word dude

  256. CBrady12 says:

    haha yeah except a subdural hematoma is an extremely serious brain injury where blood builds up in the brain, NOT a bruised rib

  257. LA Loyalist says:

    “le” contusion, J’ai prende le contusion dans ma tete hier soir. J’ais en peut trop d’biere froid apres le jeu pour fait le celebration de la but par P.K. Subban.

    What? I went to CEGEP. Seriously.


  258. punkster says:

    In the less than 3 seconds in that video where the so-called controversy occurred, with PKs’ back to the camera and most of Gomez’s face hidden for most of that 3 seconds you come to that conclusion?

    Now don’t get me wrong, because I’m only making a joke here, but could you maybe have a quick look at the Zapruder film for us and see if you can pick up that second shooter?


  259. Geoff F says:

    What was manufactured?  You can see it pretty clearly on the video that Gomez snubs him and PK sulks a bit right after.  In that sense the situation i explained happened that much is pretty clear to me.  I just hope that you guys are correct in that this isn’t something that is brewing in the locker room.

  260. likehoy says:

    buddy, I say this in the nicest way possible but — grow up. on a team with 25 players, you can’t be expected to like every single one of your teammates.

    both gomez and subban are team-first kind of guys that want to win. it doesn’t matter if they like each other as long as they both play for the coach and the CH. 

    the real issue would be if gomez never passed to subban, but then we would be talking about completely different things.

    – Gomez is holding down the “overpaid” button

  261. Geoff F says:

    Gotta love that Nicest way possible BUT… (couldn’t help yourself could you?)

    Who said everyone has to like each other?  You score a goal i might hate your guts but i’m still going to congratulate you because you are part of MY TEAM.  That’s what you do because you ARE a grown up. 

    I never said they had to like each other, they just have to respect each other and act like a team which means you support each other first, and worry about your concerns second.  Especially when the concerns are pretty minor in the grand scheme of things (like winning a game you were up 4-0 in and almost blew the lead)

    So not sure what liking people and growing up has to do with my concern about the selfish reaction of Gomez.  Thanks for the NICE comment though!

  262. Geoff F says:

    Take a look at this feed.  Not sure how you do not see PK raising his hand to pat Gomez as he skates on by, and then PK’s slouch when he realizes he was snubbed.  After scoring that goal why would you turn around and suddenly look disappointed after Gomez skates by? 

    Yes, i infer it but it seems pretty clear to me at the 35 second mark that PK gets snubbed, that’s all i’m saying.  Nobody can be 100% right unless PK or Gomez confirms it but i’m prepared to wager that it happened.

    In any event i’m not going to keep trying to convince you, i know what i saw and i feel comfortable with my assessment of what happened.  Like i said originally i hope this isn’t something that will become a problem in the room, that’s all!!


  263. Mark C says:

    Maybe Gomez was just getting P.K. back from when P.K. snubbed him? I mean P.K. did leave Gomez hanging there while he did his celebration.

    In any event, the odds that any of this is an issue in the locker room are at 0.1%, and Vegas isn’t taking bets.


  264. Geoff F says:

    Mark, i didn’t see that but i was wondering if this was a case of Gomez skating over to PK when he took off to celebrate on his own.  I always felt that the appropriate first reaction is to go thank the “FEEDER” before any personal celebrations (Sorta like they do in soccer which i never get, having the entire team chase you down on the field after your goal just seems wierd to me).   However i didn’t see what you are suggesting, so i had no idea if that actually happened.  So after all that, are you speculating or did Subban leave Gomer hanging after the goal? 

  265. Mark C says:

    It’s hard to say just what happened, but it seems clear that Subban made no attempt to go to Gomez, after the pass Gomez couldn’t have been more than 50 feet from Subban. Subban just skates toward center ice and does his thing, which I have no issue with. Then again, I have no issue if Gomez snubbed Subban. Gomez could have just been having fun with him. Gomez could have said bleep off showboat as a joke, and Subban took it literally, thus the face. I’d be shocked if this is an issue and even more shocked if someone like Gomez lets it grow.  

  266. fbkj says:

    this sounds like the most probable scenario

    ball busting gone awry

    of course im speculating

  267. Geoff F says:

    I am inclined to think you are right after reading your take on it.  Since i didn’t have the full picture this makes sense to me.  Thanks for the feedback!

  268. larisalapointe says:

    Geoff, I saw that too. For whatever reason Gomez broke PK’s joy.

    Thing is some people look at things as if they need to be black and white. They need Gomez or PK to come out and say something happened. But if you just feel the sequence, it’s obvious Gomez is throwing daggers at PK with his eyes and muttering something resulting in PK’s long face afterwards.

    Maybe PK put glue in Gomez’skates before the game, but whatever, for that moment in time, something did go down.

    And I’m not saying it’s the end of the world or that big of a deal…but it’s there.

  269. TomNickle says:

    Interesting call up.  I would imagine that Pierre Gauthier and Jacques Martin spent the majority of the day looking at video and speaking with Randy Cunneyworth when he was available.


  270. StevieM61 says:


    A plea to all the hockey Gods . . .PLEASE let Ottawa suck even more than usual on Friday !!

    We may need all the help we can get

    Bullet holes in my mirrors . . . .

  271. Ian Cobb says:

    Thanks for deleteing my post. I clicked onto the link below. I will put up the members avator where I found it. I will look now.

    Here it is to delete.Submitted by _Habsoloutly_ on Wed, 01/19/2011 – 18:58.

  272. Everlasting1 says:

    I’d leave it to the mods Ian. No need.


    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

     Don’t pollute the water.

  273. Hobie Hansen says:

    A lot of being good is thinking your good. It’s all about confidence. So when people see PK Subban acting like he’s the greatest thing since sliced bread, it angers them because it makes Montreal look they have a cocky and talented player. Other teams and fans are simply jealous.

    I’ve been critical of Canadiens players’ attitudes in the past, I thought Maximme Lapierre was a jerk, but I’ve really never had a problem with Subban. I do however, think Jacques Martin is right by trying to get him to tone it down a little and concentrate on playing solid defence.

    He’s a good kid in my humble opinion. I’d like to see some toughness inserted around him as well as the rest of the team so nobody targets him after a big celebration. I have a feeling somebody is going to take a real run at him…   

  274. Geoff F says:

    Agreed, i think Carbo needs to take them all bowling!

  275. LA Loyalist says:

    Personally I think he should coat his stick with a flammable substance, set it on fire and hurl it into the crowd impaling Youpi, but that’s just me.

    There’s another school of thought that likes quiet dignity, especially during hangovers… but hey, given our HORRIBLE drafting history the last decade or two i think we should be damn grateful we have him and enjoy him. He’s our Ovechkin, campers, the more other teams hate him the better.

    Go PK! 

    And if Gomer gives you a hard time, just laugh at him. You’ll get your $8M soon enough and you’ll probably win a Stanley Cup for us in the process. Thanks in advance, as the kids say.

  276. Rugger says:

    I think you are on to something here.  Score the game winning goal, slide on to his knees and light his stick like Hendrix and the guitar!  The Bell Center could go into a little “Purple Haze”.  Of course Cherry would claim he is not “experienced” so shouldn’t have done it.

  277. JohnBellyful says:

    I think the next time PK scores he should slide on his knees to the corner, tearing off his helmet, jersey and shoulder pads along the way and thanking the gods, a la soccer. I was gonna suggest Gomez to be the first Canadien to do it but I don’t want to wait that long for a celebration.

  278. gumper says:

    Clearly he should take out his notepad and diagram the successful play to be referenced in the event of another OT-game-winning-scoring-play opportunity.

  279. likehoy says:

    to mr. geoff F cause I didn’t get a chance to reply

    my concern is you making a big deal out of nothing. that’s why I used those words I used.

    it’s nothing, it’s just a minor speed bump. I don’t doubt either player one bit for their professionalism (as we’ve seen over time and throughout last years playoffs) but you to suggest a rift would occur between the 2? 

    does gomez need to congratulate subban after a GWG? well he did set it up so he did want subban to score for the team if not for subban himself

    did gomez skip out on the team celebrations? nope he was there

    that’s all that matters at the end of the day, not a tiny little moment between two professional hockey players on the same team.

    that’s why I chose my words.

    – Gomez is holding down the “overpaid” button

  280. Geoff F says:

    Dude, i was really hoping to let this go and have a fresh start this morning but alas i’m letting it get the better of me.

    First you say it’s nothing and tell me to grow up.  then in your note you say it’s something (i.e a minor road bump is something isn’t it?  It’s not much but it’s something and that’s what i was trying to get from my post originally).  Of course some people fly off the handle before actually investigating things then try to justify their overreaction.  I asked if anyone had context.  Nobody did until many dismissive posts afterward.  Had you thought/looked beforew writing you would have seen that i asked if it was something.  Bottom line is it’s something but PROBABLY not serious.  However this kind of thing can grow like a seed and it needs to be addressed by adults in the room.

    I didn’t suggest anything i asked a question based on the little info i had.  The info i had suggested something “NOT TEAM LIKE” occurred and i wanted to get to the bottom of that if at all possible.  I think i have come to that conclusion however painful this may have been.  

    I think i know why i tend not to post much here anymore.  rather than having a civil discussion i have to wade through the “BETTER THAN THOU” posts to get to the ones that actually read my post and made a reasonable attempt to answer me!

  281. HabFanSince72 says:

    Pension Plan Puppets are really hilarious.

    Check out the debate on Brian Burke on this thread:

    It starts at 9:38pm

    Best exchange:

    This team is worse than the 2007 team. Headed for 80 points (compared to 91).

    by PEI Muscle on

    Jan 19, 2011 9:52 PM EST






    In points, yes, they’re worse. But, what kind of future did that team have?

    In 3-5 years, the Leafs are gonna be a damn good hockey team.

    Visit my blog at:

    Leaf fan for life! (No, really. They gave me a no-trade clause when I was born.)

    by FiftyMissionCap on

    Jan 19, 2011 10:12 PM EST






  282. Bill says:

    I have to say that was the most entertaining thing I read all day! Thanks for the link …

    Full Breezer 4 Life

  283. SlovakHab says:

    I read Pension Plan Puppets for fun a lot.. Leafs fans are really entertaining and extremely delusional.

    They truly believe that this team is going somewhere.

    Best part – game blogs. It always has 3 parts.

    1). First, they are pumped. GO LEAFS GO threads. Bozak/Schenn/Grabovski/Gustavsson/whoever else is GREAT/AWESOME. Full of funny gifs and strong predictions. One hit/shot or goal, and they are totally salivating and superexcited. This team is getting and better and better! The future is bright!

    2.) Then the opponent scores. Discussion is getting expletive (and must have been a lot during the last game..) It’s funny to go goal by goal and imagine those Leaf fans getting broken-hearted by more and more goals in their net.

    3.) Then they lose, as usually. Everyone is pissed off, but conclude that it’s how it has always felt being a Leafs fan and they continue posting funny gifs, ‘Wilson/Burke must go! threads’ and drooling over their fantastic prospects in Marlies.

    If they weren’t so funny, one would feel sorry for them.

  284. forskis says:

    I watched the Leafs game tonight, there was nothing else on TV…but I am going to jump all over the Maguire free-for-all…they were talking about a minor league team called the Connecticut Whalers and Gord Miller told Pierre that was in homage to his old team, the Whalers…and Pierre answered to the effect of: “I associate myself only with the Penguins.”

    With regards to Markov and Komi….he was right that Markov would have less protection but he was dead wrong that Komi was going to take off.  He was all over Komi tonight…everyone on TSN was ripping into the Leafs, a but 7-0 loss will cause that to happen.

    “I am guilty of using elipses…”

  285. Bob_Sacamano says:

    You watched the Leafs because there was nothing else on TV? Read a book next time. Just a thought…

  286. T-roy West says:

    Kirk Muller and Mike Peca assistant coaches to new head coach Patrick Roy. Get err done!!

  287. Bill says:

    I think that Muller is going to make an outstanding head coach somewhere soon. Possibly New Jersey next season (though they may hesitate after the failure of the Johnny Mac experiment).

    Full Breezer 4 Life

  288. Chorske says:

    Erg. Patrick Roy coaching in MTL. What could go wrong.

  289. bigdave says:

    “I think he’s been thrust into a more defensive roll for us……” – Randy Cunneyworth

    Puts this move into perspective: JM( he must be salivating on this one) gets another Pyatt to patrol but never score.

    Or possibly Halpern, the forgotten man in these discussions is hurt worse than announced!

    Wonder how Engqvist is at faceoffs?



    “The Allo Police Media – a collection of bitter ex-coaches, players and wannabees whose collective lack of success accounts for their present positions in Sports’ equivalent of a Jerry Springer Show”

  290. jOntheweb says:

    I think so too, this call up has everything to do with Halpern’s injury… if it’s a concusion, they might not be taking any chances, à-la Crosby ? Last time I heard Halpern was great on face-off’s but i haven’t kept up with the stats…. and we’ll have to wait until Engvist’s first game to analyze how is faceoff skills par in the NHL..

  291. Harditya_CareyPrice says:

    I was hoping that Muller would OUR new head coach after Martin.

    I absolutely love how active he is on the bench.

  292. jOntheweb says:

    NJ should just stick to Lemaire… and leave our coaching prospects alone !!! jeeesus

  293. Rad says:

    I like the Engqvist call-up. He’s a big. two-way center that wins his share of faceoffs. If there’s one thing the Habs need, it’s size. 

    Glad to see that Pacioretty isn’t as badly hurt as first thought. He has improved a lot since last year, and players like Pac, Eller, Subban, and Pouliot are going to be amazing next year.

  294. F Bomb says:

    Sorry to jump in but everyone seems to be forgetting Hal Gill.  Where does his place lie with the team?  Well…He is the biggest player on the roster, is PK Subban’s defensive partner, is a leader in PK ice time, was our #1 defensive pairing in last years playoffs with Georges, has previous playoff experience and has won a Stanley Cup.  He has also been in discussion to be the team’s captian. 

    At the very least he will be the Habs 7th defensemen. 

    Markov, Georges, Subban, Spacek, Gill, and Weber, Wisniewski, Hammer battling for the 6th and 7th spot.

    Picard = FA  


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