Canadiens prepare for year-ender

One more game, against the Florida Panthers, and 2011 is in the books.
Your Montreal Canadiens’ regular-season record this calendar year: 37-31-13.
But hey, they took the eventual Stanley Cup champions to overtime of a seventh game in something called “the playoffs.”

Pat Hickey’s game story

Quotes from the room: “Those five minutes just killed us” – David Desharnais

Pierre Ladouceur’s game report card

Wyman plays key role

Hickey on Martin St. Louis wearing eye protection

Red Fisher is not a fan of the Winter Classic

Get ready for tough CBA talks

Ron James on Don Cherry: “a nutty uncle mowing the lawn in his underwear”


  1. Mr_MacDougall says:

    Hi my name is Hard Habits; I do not like to debate, I only want people to blindly agree that Tanking is the only viable strategy. If you disagree with me, you are delusional. If you provide reasonable explanations of other teams success they are deemed inadmissible. The only examples that matter are Pittsburg and Chicago.

  2. Favorite Son says:

    Boone, I hope that was a joke about Carbo being coach of the Habs, otherwise that suggestion is (deleted).

    • Bripro says:

      Why? Did you check his record?
      In the short time he coached the Habs, he was nominated for the Jack Adams trophy. He led the Habs to first in the East.
      He was on a 5 out of 6 game winning streak when Gainey fired him,
      because Kovalev didn’t like him.
      It was a ridiculous move on BG’s part, and I think they should right a wrong. He’s a great technical coach, and the speedsters moved.
      The PP was first overall….I could go on.
      You’re way off base on this one. Sorry.

    • WindsorHab-10 says:

      Tell us why & do you think Carbo’s firing was justified?

  3. TorontoHabsFan says:

    I think it might be time for another installment of “How Are All Those Superstars That Montreal Lost Doing?”

    Sergei Kostitsyn – On pace for 33 pts.
    Benoit Pouliot – On pace for 24 pts.
    Maxim Lapierre – On pace for 19 pts.
    Guillaume Latendresse – On pace for 19 pts.
    Chris Higgins – On pace for 48 pts.
    Michael Ryder – On pace for 55 pts
    Mikhael Grabovski – On pace for 42 pts.
    Mike Ribeiro – On pace for 60 pts.
    James Wisniewski – On pace for 36 pts (and injured for 6 weeks)

    Am I missing anyone?

    • habs03 says:

      7-7-4 2.41GA/ .902Sv%, backup goalie for one of the best teams in the league..Superstar Halak.

      • WindsorHab-10 says:

        Get a grip. Halak is overrated.

        • Bripro says:

          I’m pretty sure that was his point. Those are pretty un-impressive numbers. Hence the sarcastic “Superstar”.
          At least I would hope so.

          • habs03 says:


          • Bripro says:

            Although I feel bad for him because he really is a nice guy.
            He deserves better.

          • habs03 says:

            I’d be lying if I said I liked him and want him to do well. I thank him for his time where, he really played well in MTL. But I always knew he would be traded, he is simply too small to be able to handle heavy #1 duties. IMO he is best suited to be a 1a/b goalie. My dislike for him started when he basically said play me or trade me when he barely did anything.

          • Mr. Biter says:

            That was a good deal for the Habs and if Schultz ever makes it out of the AHL a real good deal. I remember many posters including myself (who has no axe to grind with Halak) that he could not be a 60 game a year goalie and I guess we and PG were right on that one.

            Mr. Biter

          • otter649 says:

            Halak never said anything about leaving etc it was his agent Walsh ? going on talk shows & twitter and chirping putting Halak in an uncomfortable situation……

    • Rogie Protogee says:

      Common denominator amongst all on this list?

      They were ALL head cases – the team was happy to see go – with the exception of the Wiz – and we already were about to dump 5 million on another guy with wonky knees!

      Some of us grew up in an era – when the boards were all white – the game was just as clean and yer Habs ( my friends) were still a scoring machine!

      • TorontoHabsFan says:

        I actually miss Alex Tanguay. I wanted him to stay – he’s one of the truly great playmakers in the NHL. But I guess there was some acrimony between him and management after he didn’t play in the 1st round sweep against Boston.

        • Bripro says:

          I’d like to agree with you.
          He is certainly one of the greats, but his time with the Habs was less than impressive…didn’t you find?
          He’s certainly a much better player alongside Iginla than anyone else he’s ever played with.

          • TorontoHabsFan says:

            He was pretty good with Hejduk and Forsberg too 🙂

            I dunno, I remember a 2 week stretch when Gainey put Koivu, Kovalev, and Tanguay together and it was glorious. But overall, yes, his time here was disappointing.

            Too bad, his ability to find the open man is insane.

          • Bripro says:

            I think I could be pretty good with Hejduk and Forsberg! 😉

      • “They were ALL head cases”

        Maybe our scouts should spend more time at the rinks, and less time at the shrink’s.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      When are you going to list the superstars? I see 1 or 2 good players and that’s about it?

    • JayBee says:

      You left out:

      Tanguay 50 pts
      Souray 37 pts
      McDonaugh 32 pts
      MAB 52 pts
      Streit 41 pts

      Compare that with the Habs that we kept and those numbers don’t look half bad.

      Plekanec $5M – On pace for 62 pts
      Cole $4.5M – On pace for 55pts
      Kostitsyn $3.5M – On pace for 40 pts
      Cammy $6M – On pace for 48 pts
      Gionta $5M – On pace for 37 pts
      Gomez $7.5M – On pace for 17 pts
      Superstar prodigy Lars Eller – On pace for 24 pts
      Markov – $5.5M – On pace for 0 pts

      When you look at the Habs players that were kept along with their salary, your post looks pretty silly.

      I’d take just about every single player on that list on this team right now. And the issue wasn’t about trading them. It was how little the return was.

      You really think the return for Sergei was adequate? How about the return for Lapierre, Ryder (we let walk), Ribeiro, etc…

      People would not complain about ex habs if our GM’s didn’t get sh1t returns for them.

  4. fuhgawz says:

    hardhabits i am on the tank train with you.

  5. wall2bay says:

    If the Canes somehow finish ahead of the Habs and even make the playoffs, this should confirm Gauthier’s dismissal!

    I mean, Muller takes over the Canes (who are less talented than the Habs) and overtakes the Habs,,,,,,Nuff said!

    “I kind of feel sorry for players who never got a chance to be a Montreal Canadien” – Cammalleri

  6. keepthefaith says:

    If you can predict the future so well why don’t you buy lotto tickets? Your super powers are being wasted

  7. Phil C says:

    Avery would be a mistake. He is fine as a hockey decision, but the Habs don’t need a guy like that having any influence on their young players. And a charismatic individual like Avery would have influence. One of the good things Gainey did was bring in players that are known to be “good in the room” and who are proven Stanley Cup winners. Avery hasn’t won anything. If Tortorella doesn’t want him, neither should the Habs.

  8. fuhgawz says:

    Player report card for myself would be:

    Plecks — C+ seems to have been lost most of the season and can not get anything going. If it wasnt for his defensive play i would be rateing him C-

    Gommer — F nuff said

    Gio — C sure he plays hard but as a fan i do not understand how he leads this team. The captin in my eyes is and will remain to be Josh. Gio to me has fallen way back this season, and frankly looks washed up.

    Cammy — C besides last night Cammy has not come to play all season. He has missed more defensive assignments then PK has missed nets.

    Cole — B+ after a slow start he has really gained my admiration. Cole is a true work horse and plays hard.

    Patches — B learning from Cole can only benefit him going forward. A tad streaky for my liking thus far but far from our worst player.

    AK — B i like what i see from AK this season. Seems engaged in the games, floats a bit to much still but man its hard not to like that untapped raw skill when displayed.

    Eller — B besides being able to finish i think Lars has been great and only getting better. Look forward to this kid for years to come.

    DD — B+ no matter who he plays with DD brings his best and you can tell he is trying out there. If half of the over paid asses on this team had his determination we would be a top ranked team.

    Moen — B- playing some of his best hockey in my eyes. But with limited skill what else can we expect. To me he has delievered more then i would expect him to so good on him.

    Darche — D i do not see the need for him in the lineup … useless comes to mind. Slow and seems to have zero hockey sense.

    Noki — C i do not know what to say about this guy just doesnt seem like a Hab to me .. no idea why.

    LL — C kid needs to be in the AHL but seems to have hockey IQ which is helping him here in the show. I wasnt a fan of his when he was drafted and i am still not sold on him. Basically because i wanted us to draft someone with offensive upside. I feel he is going to be another 3rd liner.

    Gill — C- brutal this season old slow and should be traded.

    Josh — B+ the captian in my eyes. Plays with heart and what is not to like about that.

    PK — C+ not at his best but still the sky is the limit for the kid. Tone his min. per game to a normal amount i think he would be further ahead.

    Diaz — C+ better then i expected but VERY weak.

    Webber – F horrible

    Emelin — B- Awesome to watch and getting better.

    Campoli — D useless

    Price – B+ been great but not Carey Great.

    Peter — C+ hasnt been to bad when he plays then he lets in some really BAD goals.

    Markov — F massive F

    • ed lopaz says:

      I think Plekanec has been terrible lately.

      He is really having trouble in his 5 on 5 defensive zone coverage.

      Every time the opposition scores it seems that Plekanec is on the ice.

      Another -2 last night

      Drops him to -10 for the season, and he is heading lower.

      Other than kaberle, who I believe must have carried a high minus from Carolina,

      Plekanec is far and away the worst minus on the team.

      He seems off.

      Many shifts he seems discouraged.

      I don`t know what it is with him – maybe he is being forced to play through an injury because the Habs have NO ONE left to replace him.

      • fuhgawz says:

        i agree with you totally .. i based his defensive play on the PK which he seems to be ok on still when he is doing it. Your right tho as a whole he has been one of the worst this season

    • fastfreddy says:

      I agree with 90% of your report card on players, only disagree with AK grade, he’s not a B , I’d give him a C like you said, floats too much.

  9. jmsheehy19 says:

    Well, bright side is as many have stated, We have the tools to make a really quick turnaround. We’re 25th in the league, and barring fantastic or horrific second half, we’ll likely be picking In the 4 – 10 range of what looks like a deep draft.

    If we could grab Grigorenko, we could finally add that game breaker C to a forward prospect/youth pool that includes Eller, Patches, Leblanc, DD, AK, White, Gallagher, Bournival, Kristo, Pribyl, Avtsin, etc.

    And our D looks like it will be great for years with Gorges the grey beard leading the likes of Subban, Emelin, Diaz, Weber, Beaulieu, Tinordi, Nash, Bennett, Pateryn, Dietz, and Ellis. In fact we could flip some for forward prospects or moving up in a draft.

    So all in all, I see this year being more of a blip than a sign of doom to come.

    • Bill says:

      If the Habs get healthy they’ll never finish in the bottom ten. If Gionta and Markov come back, they’re way closer to 14th.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

      • jmsheehy19 says:

        I think by the time Markov, gets back and into playing shape, we’re already going to be in to big a hole.

        And when I look at the teams above us, the only ones I think we can catch (again barring a drastic turnaround) would be Tampa, Buffalo, Ottawa, Calgary, Colorado, An Toronto. If we pass all of them that would put us at 12 in the draft.

    • Rogie Protogee says:

      Back to last night’s game. Wish the boneheads in the so-called “war room” in Toronto could get things straight.

      If you look closely at the replay on the second “gift” goal – you’ll see one of the TB players muttering in Bergeron’s ear .. And you just KNOW he’s saying it was tipped.

      This happened against Boston too – was it Krejci that kicked that one in? – you could see all the Bruins snickering after the call – visibly trying to keep a / straight faces as the ref is about to drop the puck.

      What a joke.

      It’s just a shame to see games decided this way.

      Surely the NHL can afford the kind of technology that’ll allow theses morons in TO to get it right – cause seriously this is bush league.

      If my layman eye can see clearly that the puck was redirected (ever so slightly) on Bergie’s shot …

      And what about that Bruins Boot a few weeks ago?

      it’s sad.

      Some of us grew up in an era – when the boards were all white – the game was just as clean and yer Habs ( my friends) were still a scoring machine!

    • 24 Cups says:

      JS19 – It will be interesting to see if the Habs are able to re-sign AK46 and Gorges. Both players are quite young and will garner high offers as UFAs.

      Most Dmen take a while to develop so none of those prospects on your list will be ready to take Gorges place. As well, there is nobody in the system that would match AK’s player profile.

      I can’t see any kind of a quick turnaround unless the Habs are able to keep these two guys. AK46 is going to get 4.5M and Gorges will go for 3.5M. That’s not going to happen as long as the team has the Gomez contract.

      • ed lopaz says:

        I think Gionta should be moved, and Gorges should be the captain.

        That honour could entice Gorges to stay on.

        I would try and trade Gionta like we traded Rivet to San Jose.

        get a young NHL player with solid upside and a 2nd round pick.

        • 24 Cups says:

          Ed – Most deals at the deadline are for UFAs like RIvet was a few years back, I’m not sure that many teams want to take on heavy cap hits for two more years with players like Gionta, Cammy and Kaberle.

          The other fly in the ointment is what do do with AK and Gorges at the deadline. If you’re not going to re-sign them you have to trade them for some kind of an asset.

          The real dilemma here well might be that Mr. Gauthier will be trying to make the playoffs (which will cost us assets) while the team should really be selling off older players.

          • ed lopaz says:

            Gauthier will not even blow his nose without Molson`s permission from here on in.

            I can literally feel Molson`s frustration and disappointment.

            Molson is a huge fan – and nothing pisses him off more than this.

            yes. Molson wants to make money.

            But the Habs were not purchased by the Molsons so they could make a few million more per season.

            The Habs were bought by the Molsons, and Mr Molson became the President, because he freakin loves this game, and loves the habs.

            Everyone who know Geoff Molson will confirm what I just wrote.

            To answer your post:

            I hope Molson is smart enough to move AK46 and KEEP GORGES.

            Teams win with players like Josh Gorges as their Captains.

            Its the leadership that is so off the charts, its really worth keeping.

      • Bill says:

        The Gomez contract will not be around next year. Even if there is no free buy-out period after the new CBA, it would be irresponsible at this point to keep the contract: he’ll be buried.

        AK46 will get something like 15 million over four years, and even for his 20+ goals you have to walk away from that. Gomez or no Gomez. I love AK but you can’t spend that kind of money on him.

        I wonder if JG will really get big offers. He’s all “intangibles”. He’s a defensive d-man who lacks size, can’t really hit, has no mean streak. He’s a fringe player if his heart wasn’t so big. We seriously overrate him because we like him so much.

        Would it be smart cap-work to sign him for over three million a year?

        Full Breezer 4 Life

        • 24 Cups says:

          I agree on Gorges, great guy but overrated as hell here on HI/O.

          I nearly fainted when Leino and Fleischmann got 4.5M, long term. Somebody is going to do the same for a 27 year old AK46. If we don’t sign him, then we’ll have to get another UFA seeing that there is nobody in the system to take his place.

        • Bripro says:

          I’d like to see Gomez’ contract buried also. But it’s not going to happen.
          It’s a business decision, and there’s no way Mr. Molson is going to absorb that kind of money.
          AK’s salary works out to 3.5MM per year. You wouldn’t sign him for that?
          As for Gorges, he’s not flamboyant, but is a very solid stay-at-home defenceman who does a lot of good. You don’t trade away team players like him.
          So say you did, what type of player would you pick up now that you’ve weakened the young defence even more (remember, Gill’s not coming back)?
          You can be sure they won’t be trading up the talent pool for another defenceman.

          • 24 Cups says:

            No one is saying the Habs should trade AK46 or Gorges but if we can’t re-sign them then you have to try and get an asset back the other way.

            Of course at this point in time, both players are having their agents tell them that they should go directly to July 1st.

            Hard to tell what Mr. Gauthier is thinking.

          • Bripro says:

            Ah! There you’ve nailed it!
            I don’t think people realize how influential the player agents really are.
            For them, it’s only about the money.
            There’s no empathy in their negotiations.
            The more the client makes, the more they make…regardless of what city the player might end up in.
            I’m sure the player will have the final say, but the agent’s sales pitch will certainly play a key role.

            I, for one, hope they manage to keep them both.

        • JF says:

          I would spend that kind of money (or just about) on AK46.

      • jmsheehy19 says:

        I Think Gorges will be resigned and I agree none of those guys can come close to replacing him now.

        AK is the bigger question mark. I’d love to keep him, but he might get great return at the deadline.

  10. The Cat says:

    Habs should consider Avery. Hes actually a pretty smart guy, not like a Darcy Tucker type. Hes abandoned his wrestling style heel schtick. Plus he has that sparkplug quality -tell me who on the habs has that? And hed deviate the attention from the anglo coach, and if the season goes down the drain hes the ideal scapegoat.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

    • 24moreCups says:

      Yeah, but he could also just be a cancer in the locker room, I don’t think many players on the team respect him very much.

      Plus he said that thing about french players in the league so I’m sure many people would be upset.

      I do like his style of play for the most part and what that type of player can bring to a team, I just hope White comes back soon.

  11. ed lopaz says:

    Boone writes in his About Last Night,

    “Add one more goat: Randy Cunneyworth.
    On a defensive zone faceoff in a 3-3 game, why didn’t the coach have two centres on the ice? Once lars Eller was chased from the circle, Cole had to take the faceoff and Lecavalier beat him easily.”

    That is ridiculous!!

    You want the Habs to line up with Desharnais or Plekanec on the wing “in case” Eller gets thrown out of the circle??

    Maybe if there was 10 seconds left in regulation I would consider that.

    But the faceoff happened with plenty of time left on the clock.

    Not sure where you got that idea, Boone, but it sounds like it might have come from Michel Therrien or one of the boys on Anti Chambre, or just about anyone on the RDS broadcast,

    who are trying DESPERATELY to “prove” that an Anglo coach is not
    “worthy” of the job.

    Brutally bad comment.

    NO COACH would have made that move at 8:37 of the 3rd period.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      “DESPERATELY to “prove” that an Anglo coach is not
      “worthy” of the job.”

      That is paranoia.

      • ed lopaz says:

        no its not really.

        Do you watch the Anti Chambre?

        Because I know you have admitted that you miss most of the games.

        • mount royal says:

          Nobody wants Cunneyworth to look bad. Everyone knows that he is in a bad position and no one blames him. Nor do they care if the coach is an anglophone. They just want someone to speak the local language; its not complicated nor conspiratorial!

          • ed lopaz says:

            I am an anglo living in Montreal. I can speak French quite well.

            My kids have been taught to speak French.

            I totally agree that The Habs coach should be at least trying to improve his French.

            But I maintain that there are several guys, Raymond, Brunet, and others who have made derogatory statements about Cunneyworth and who are fishing for every excuse they can find to get the habs to change coaches.

            their only beef with Cunneyworth – he is an anglo.

            because objectively the guy is a legitimate candidate to coach at the NHL level.

            as legitimate as all of the other ahl coaches, including Bylsma who won a cup

        • HabFanSince72 says:

          I watch l’antichambre on occasion. They bash the coach when he loses (they bashed Jacques Martin repeatedly).

          So you would need some other evidence to support the theory that they are bashing Cunneyworth (*) because he is an Anglo, but were bashing Martin for a non linguistic reason.

          (*)which they aren’t even doing by the way.

    • theox_8 says:

      no kidding, in that case lets just bring Yanic perreault in just to take the face -offs in the third. There we all happy now lol

      • LA Loyalist says:

        You make a joke about Yanic Perreault, but that is what the NFL does.

        And we do not have anyone as good on face-offs as YP or Joe Juneau – or Koivu (not to lift that rock). Why don’t we have YP or JJ doing face-off clinics.

        My 8 year old has specific private coaching on face-offs. Surely Habs can afford it, too.

  12. fuhgawz says:

    the future of the habs is what worries me and a lot of other posters. Who in the NHL is going to want to take on contracts like Gio, Gommer, Kabby, Cammy, Markov other then the Montreal Canadiens. I am afraid we are stuck with what we have for a few more season. It is going to be VERY hard to be a fan of this team because of it. Gainey over paid for Gommer, Gio, and Cammy PG over paid for Markov, and now is going to over pay for Kabby for the next couple years as well. Not good ladies and gents not good at all.

    • Bill says:

      Maybe the future of the Habs would worry “you and a lot of other posters” if you had an understanding of the CBA, an ounce of perspective, and the ability to calm down.

      In a literal sense, every NHL player is “overpaid”. But by NHL standards, only the Gomez contract is really ugly. Markov and Kaberle are not overpaid, though it’s obviously hard for some people to accept that injuries are part of the game. Gionta has been a productive scorer and leader, and Cammalleri has been the clutch playoff guy, and while their contracts are large, they produce, and paying good mpney for the services of players like that is just a reality.

      Unless you want the Habs to never sign another player or what?


      Full Breezer For Life

      • fuhgawz says:

        sign players that offer something — other then 5’8 height who can score when on a line with BIG bodies to make room for them. I didnt understand why we went smaller with the Gommer, Cammy, Gio thing never did get it i guess.

  13. HabFanSince72 says:

    Is this a good idea?

    Instead of the draft order being the reverse of league position the draft should combine two concepts: (1) help out the weaker teams and (2) reward effort.

    So I propose that the 14 teams out of the playoffs get the top 14 picks, as is the case now, except that the order is reversed. i.e. the best finisher among the 14 non-playoff teams goes first.

    This would mean that teams out of the playoffs would still have something to fight for. They would not trade away their good players (a form of tanking) but would be continually battling till the end. Then if they make the playoffs- well they get added revenue. If they don’t they still get a great pick. This would add excitement as every team in the league would have something to play for until the final game of the season.

    • Bill says:

      It sort of goes against the whole corporate-welfare philosophy of the NHL which is why I love it.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

    • LA Loyalist says:


      I was trying to think of a way to conceptualize the draft to not reward “tanking”, and you’ve done it. And it helps minimize “rental” players.

      Very nice.

    • jmsheehy19 says:

      But you have the problem that some teams would get stuck in the basement perennially, and no market would survive that.

      I like the idea some one else presented on here that would see the lottery expanded to all 14 teams out of the playoffs, with only the bottom 2 or 3 having a slight handicap.

    • vegas says:

      i’d give the 14 teams out a shot
      14 ballots for 30th
      13 for 29th
      12 for 28th

      then do the same for the 16 in
      16 ballots for 16th
      15 ballots for 15th

  14. cshannon says:

    Who do the canadiens have to get

  15. cshannon says:

    The habs should claim Sean Avery of waivers so they can have a good fourth line player any one else agree

    • RGM says:

      Wait until re-entry waivers. I think they’d be on the hook for half of the Rangers’ half of his current deal, with Dallas still paying for half of the contract.

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    • I would not want Avery. Not a good role model for kids and no one in the NHL likes the guy including his team mates.

      Why would you want that in your dressing room and on our ice ?

      No No No

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  16. TorontoHabsFan says:

    Thinking a bit about my earlier post and what that would mean if Montreal was woefully out of contention at the trade deadline. Who on the team should be kept and who should be made available?

    Keepers: Price, Pacioretty, Subban, Eller, Gorges, Cole, Emelin, Desharnais, Diaz, Leblanc, Plekanec, Kaberle.

    Available: Gomez, Gionta, Cammalleri, Kostitsyn, Moen, Darche, Gill, Weber, Campoli, Nokia, Blunden.

    The only player on my available list that gives me pause is Gionta – he’s a warrior to be sure, but let’s face facts: he’s 32 and still has 2 years left on his deal. The likelihood of him putting up seasons like his first two in Montreal isn’t certain. Cammalleri is a pure sniper and I’m not so sure a team (or market) like Montreal can accommodate the extended dry spells that ALL snipers go through. Out of the others, I could see Gill, Kostitsyn, Campoli and Moen attracting serious attention at the deadline.

    • The Dude says:

      Kaberle goes back to the Leafs!

      • TorontoHabsFan says:

        Actually, if Kaberle keeps putting up the PP points that he is with Montreal and I’d say he’ll be a wanted commodity come the trade deadline.

        • krob1000 says:

          But if Markov keeps putting up the points he is…we may need Kaberle for the next two years

          • Strummer says:

            Roger that.
            If Weber is traded which is a distinct possibility and Markov can’t go next year- also a distinct possibilty then Kabby’s the only D you have signed after July 1.

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    • Habfan10912 says:

      I think Kaberle should be on the available list. Other then that I like.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      I agree with your list except I would make Kaberle available.

      However, making Gomez, Darche, Weber, Campoli, Nokia, Blunden available is kind of pointless as no one would want them.

      Also, I am not sure many playoff teams could absorb Cammy or Gionta’s salary (perhaps the Pens if Crosby stays injured).

      • TorontoHabsFan says:

        I dunno, I can see a market for Weber and Campoli – there always seems to be a market for puck-moving defencemen come deadline time.

        As for somebody absorbing Cammy’s or Gionta’s salaries – I agree, it doesn’t look very likely now, but a major injury to a star forward can change a lot of GMs minds!

    • Phil C says:

      I would try to sign Gorges and AK before the trade deadline, but if they are determined to test the UFA market, then you have to flip them for an asset and take a run at them again in free agency.

      Moen, Gill, and Campoli are easy deals because they will be UFAs. Gomez is unmoveable IMO, even on waivers. Gionta and Cammalleri are tougher deals to make because you need a better return than teams in contention are usually willing to pay as they don’t want to give up any roster spots. IMO, it would be a mistake to just dump their salaries unless its for a can’t-miss prospect and a draft pick.

    • LA Loyalist says:

      I like, except I’m wobbly on Kostitsyn as he seems finally to be playing steady and up to his abilities and we are certainly thin in the “power forward” department.

      And as someone posted below, we may need Kaberle because w/out a PP qb it is obvious how thin our offense is.

      I would also play Campoli a lot to get him up to speed, a) so we can truly evaluate the guy and b) if necessary, showcase him.

      • TorontoHabsFan says:

        I concur re: Kostitsyn. But if, IF, Montreal is in a seller’s position, then Kostitsyn is pretty much the only player that would bring back the High Round Pick and a Prospect we’d want.

        Campoli should be played more, I agree. In a perfect world he could be parlayed into a mid-round pick at the deadline. Having Diaz and Emelin makes it difficult though (I’d rather give the playing time to players that would appear to be in our future)

        I know I’m in the minority, but I’ve always been a Kaberle fan (I personally blame fantasy hockey!)


    • Strummer says:

      AK is a keeper- he needs to find a consistant line like he had with Pleks and Kovy. He scores, he hits he had a beauty pass last night for an assist.
      Kaberle has settled down the D, improved the PP and is a bargain at $4.25 per season for only 2 more years. He’s a beauty of a puck-mover- sweet passes. He needs to be given a defined role. He can provide veteran leadership to a flood of young D that are coming on board.

      “You have to be this tall to ride on this ride”
      -as posted in amusement parks across North America

  17. IamShepherd says:

    I truly hope that there is someone in the HABS organization and media reading this page and come across my comment.


    Does anyone on the HABS actually understand what it means to be a Montreal Canadien??? I mean really???

    Have they seen the movie ‘The Rocket’?

    Do they understand how far back the history actually goes???

    Being an NHLer, all professional’s deep down, outside of the money and fame truly love the game of hockey, otherwise they wouldn’t be a professional playing at such an elite level. And if they truly love the game of hockey, then hockey history is important….isn’t it????

    Shouldn’t heart and a true love for the game show on the ice???? Why doesn’t it this year??? Let’s stop and think about this one…what truly is the problem????

    Is it the fact that the majority of players on les canadiens aren’t Canadian??? I doubt that. Is it a deep unconscious hatred for canadian hockey??? Who knows.

    All I know is playing for les Canadiens is not about language it is about history. It is about what this sport means to the average joe. If you are a player for the habs and are reading this right now please understand what you are playing for. You are playing for the blue collar workers who go home every night looking foward to watch you win!!!! and in Montreal 95% of people are blue collar.

    Do you understand what it means to work a nine to five for minimum wages and come home to watch the most storied franchise in sports history win????

    I am a Montrealer now living in Calgary. I bought the french sports package on Telus Optic, which I can’t really afford, to watch each ond every game the habs play. If I miss a game, I use my PVR and tape it.

    Every single game is sold out! EVERY-SINGLE-GAME no matter what our record is. Doesn’t that mean something to you guys???


    Your energy is all consuming. It is distasteful. How is a team supposed to win if YOU really run the team. Stop bringing negative energy to the rink. It’s no wonder players under perform in the red, white and blue…don’t you see it???? You focus too much on what’s wrong. STOP IT ALREADY!!!!! IT’S ENOUGH!!!!!

    Mr. Molson:

    This is your business, start treating it as if it is…Language SHOULDN’T MATTER!!!! (Don’t tell your head coach indirectly that his job isn’t secure because he doesn’t speak french…Should we call this a season then???? What is wrong with you???) If our team WINS, who cares!!!!!! Keeping history obviously matters; however we haven’t won a cup in 17 years!!!!! 17 YEARS!!!!! Something has to change??? Doesn’t that make sense???? Doesn’t it??????!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Yankees woke up. It’s our turn to bring the cup back to where it belongs!!!!!!!!

    So much more to say….


  18. The Dude says:

    Just noticed Sean Avery is on wavers again,Habs should get him just for the stir the pot fun factor.Where else can you find an imbalanced Doug Gilmore type athlete….Iamshepard,that’s why you need more Quebecers on the Habs ,they get it. Lapierre still love’s the Habs after he got the boot and the Canucks are happy with him!

    • Boomer says:

      Lappy asked to be traded, he wasnt getting enough ice time, which is kinda funny cause he’s not gettin much more in van lol, but atleast he’s playing with a contender. as for more frenchies coming here, it would be cool, but they know what the media is like and add to that the extra taxes… I wouldn’t hold my breath.

      Boom baby!

    • avatar_58 says:

      I’m sorry did you just say Avery is a Doug Gilmour type? Wow.

  19. krob1000 says:

    I wonder if Gorges would be open to being a rental…fetching us a 2nd and then returning?

  20. keepthefaith says:

    Mr. Dude, I completely have no idea what you are talking about. Not suprising because I can’t remember what I was talking about. As you were.

  21. TorontoHabsFan says:

    I don’t count myself amongst the doom-and-gloomers who dominate this message board. While this season has not been good, I still see lots of reason for optimism – if not for this season, then absolutely for next season.

    We’ve seen the development of an extremely exciting core of young players:

    1) Price continues to show that he’ll be a star in this league for years to come.
    2) Pacioretty is becoming the power forward we’ve all wanted for so long
    3) Subban is learning the ropes that every young defenceman must. He’ll be better for these struggles.
    4) Eller has 2nd line C written all over him
    5) Emelin is every inch the physical force on D everyone expected him to be.
    6) Desharnais keeps putting up points and looks to be the kind of forward who can move from 3rd line to 2nd line duty and not miss a beat. A skill all teams need.
    7) Diaz has been a pleasant, puck-moving surprise.
    8. Leblanc is showing that he not only belongs, but can thrive in the NHL.

    Add into the mix the rebirth of Erik Cole: Powerforward, the continued brilliance of Plekanec, and the return of Gorges as a team leader. And I see a team that’s got a very solid core (with a couple of duds – Gomez, a snake-bit Cammalleri, a sub-par Gionta)

    The firing of Martin, and the Kaberle trade (something I actually like, I think he’s going to be excellent in his role as PP specialist for the next three years) certainly seemed rushed and unnecessary. Montreal’s complete lack of patience and refusal to accept even a rebuild on the fly (as this most certainly is) will continue to hobble this franchise, no matter who is in charge.

    Some years the bounces just don’t go your way…but to say that this team is doomed is just silly. The future continues to look good (for all the reasons I’ve listed)


    • krob1000 says:

      I agree with everything there…I think we can actually make one heck of a turnaround for next year….we have some serious assets .. the thing about all of our vets…they are all past winners…Moen, Gill, Gio, Gomez….even Kaberle…any team looking to load up at the deadline need look no further for experienced guys who can help. I am not sure I would like to give up on Cammi yet….but if the return were right then so be it.

    • Thomas Le Fan says:


    • Habfan10912 says:

      I really envy your optimism Toronto. I hope your right but what if Eller is a 3rd line checking center at best and PK and Patches continue to regress or not improve. And DD is a small vented. Maybe I am a negative Nellie. Anyway, I do hope your right.

      • TorontoHabsFan says:

        In that case, then we have ample opportunity to see if:

        1)Avtsin can play the North American game
        2) Whether Tinordi and Beaulieu will be our future on defence
        3) Whether Gallagher can be the next great Hab goal scorer
        4) Whether Bournival can be the next Carbonneau
        5) Whether Pribyl will be our next great late round steal out of the Czech Republic

        See? Optimism is miles better than pessimism!

  22. avatar_58 says:

    People in the TSN comments are seriously suggesting the habs pick up Sean Avery.

    You know what, do that and I may skip this season entirely.

  23. TomNickle says:

    Last night’s loss can’t be blamed on officiating. But. If a Toronto War Room and two referees can’t see that Martin St. Louis deflected a puck, with his stick blade, while it’s over his head, they should be fired.

    Martin St. Louis is taller than the cross bar, the blade of his stick is over his head when it touches the puck. Therefore, the deflection is a high stick and should be called no goal.

    Second. The weak one on Price. Yeah, he should have stopped it. But, the whistle clearly blew before the puck completely crossed the goal line. No goal.

    There is no room for debate on either of these two plays. Both were clearly goals that shouldn’t have been allowed because of the verifiable evidence at hand for both the on ice officials and the off ice officials in Toronto.

    Complete garbage.

    • mss88 says:

      “Last nights game cant be blamed on officiating”….then you go on and rant about how clearly the refs and the war room are to blame!??? What is wrong with you? Bipolar?

      • TomNickle says:

        I’m not saying they are to blame. The Habs had the chance to win the game anyway.

        My point is that the off ice officials in the “War Room” should be fired. They have the final say and they routinely blow calls like this. The calls from Toronto also have a funny way of favouring friends from that league office. Do your research.

      • montreal ace says:

        He is blaming the war room in Toronto, they could have changed the calls, in not doing so they were wrong.

    • Thomas Le Fan says:

      I agree the St. Louis goal should not have counted. High stick makes contact. Whistle should have blown. Goal should not count. I think the first should be a goal. Although a quick whistle does prevent a score, a no goal call would have been rip off. Price blew that one.

      • TomNickle says:

        In principle, it should be a goal. But when the whistle clearly blew before the puck crossed the line, it’s no goal. If they want to change the rules, fine, but until the rule is changed, it’s no goal.

        • Thomas Le Fan says:

          Yes, I should have been clearer. No goal if the whistle blew before puck entirely crossed the line but if it happened against us, I’d have been p*ssed because the refs f’d up. So I guess it didn’t bother me as much as the high stick.

    • Malreg says:

      The first goal was worse than the 2nd one for me…

      The ref screwed up and blew the whistle too early. He knew it, the other referee knew it, he shouldn’t have blown the whistle and it should have been a goal.

      BUT, he DID blow the whistle. Last time I checked, the play is over at the sound of the whistle. How can you allow a goal that clearly went in AFTER the whistle? Just saying “I blew the whistle but the play wasn’t finished” doesn’t cut it. I love how they can invent a rule right on the spot.

      • TomNickle says:

        My thoughts exactly. If you could just pick and choose your spots to right wrongs, the Flames would have a Stanley Cup banner that the Lightning currently own.

  24. keepthefaith says:

    Have you ever written a post without TANK in it? Your a sick sick individual. Get help.

    • The Dude says:

      Calling yourself keepthefaith tells me you don’t take no for an answer and all are to blame except in this case anything Canadiens,lol
      All the Fans here love the Habs and there is no Habs fan better than another”just more aggressive,eh” so in the words of Carey “5 hole” Price …Chillax!

  25. Dr.Rex says:

    My personal Highs and lows of 2011.

    3. Development of Pac, DD, Emelin, Diaz and Eller (Weber excluded)
    2. Winning the first two in Boston
    1. The Erik Cole signing

    3. Firing coaches left and right
    2. The Kaberle deal
    1. The Chara massacre

    Overall a bad calender year even for the the Habs recent history.

  26. New says:

    Really weird but doesn’t have the Bergeron goal. They have the Wyman roller, which was good, but not the second questioned one.

    You have to laugh though. Kovalev used to lecture Kostitsyn about not bringing defenders to him. When you watch the replays you see AK magnetically drawn to any crowd. Some things never change:-)

    • Bripro says:

      Weird indeed!
      Three of us watched the game together last night, and we are all convinced that MAB’s goal was a re-direction from St Louis, with his stick way up.
      They showed a convincing angle replay just once, and then it was shelved.
      I’m convinced they screwed up, but now they’ll do their best to hide it. IMO, that goal cost us the game.

  27. TomNickle says:

    I want to start by saying that I like this team and the way it’s built. At forward. Plekanec, Cammalleri(when he’s skating), Kostitsyn, Eller, Cole, Pacioretty, Desharnais, Leblanc, Gionta and yes, even Gomez.

    The team’s biggest problem is on defense. Last night wasn’t a good example but the opposing teams score the majority of their goals on Price and company from within the blue paint or nearby. The only thing, in my opinion, holding this team back from being elite is an inability or unwillingness to get mean around its own net.

    It’s far too easy to stand in close on the Habs. And that’s a big problem.

    It can’t be addressed without an overhaul of the defense group on this team. Long term, I would keep Subban, Gorges and Emelin and everyone else on the current roster would be available.

    I like what Diaz brings, I love Gill’s positioning and leadership and I even enjoy Kaberle’s great puck moving and vision. But this team has a serious lack of bite where it counts. Until that gets fixed, this team will not be a serious threat in April, May and June.

    • New says:

      I don’t know. I’d sure like to see some folks on their butts (on the ice not the bench) but these days the refs call that stuff. Oddly they’re pretty tolerant on crowding the goalie and trespassing into the blue.

      I like the team as well. Usually someone loses their man, or even abandons their check, which is what gets the puck into the crease area. I think the D are trying too hard and don’t see the puck coming. That split second is enough for the opponent to get their stick in and slam it home. You have to watch your opponent but a little more verbal communication on ice might allow the D to accidently get cluttered up with the guy crowding the crease before thankfully extraditing themselves just before the whistle. Chara does that, gets all goofy gangly by accident. Seems to work.

      • TomNickle says:

        Your first paragraph is a bit of a hot button with me. Here are my reasons for doing whatever necessary, even dirty, to eliminate players crashing our crease.

        1. Our Penalty Kill is among the league’s best. A couple of penalties to protect the blue paint shouldn’t hurt the team.

        2. Deterrent. If players know they’ll be getting hacked in the ankles and cross-checked in the back they won’t be coming near Price as much as they are now.

        3. Look at the elite teams in the league. Pittsburgh, Boston, Philadelphia, Detroit, Chicago, Vancouver. Their defensemen play dirty in front of their own net, and it pays off both short and long term.

        • Malreg says:

          Your 2nd point isn’t really valid.

          If a player is taking punishment while going to the net, but the other team is getting called for it, he’s not going to think twice. Why would they stop when they know they will give their team a powerplay?

          • TomNickle says:

            But it is valid. How often have you watched a game where the Flyers or Bruins get called for something like that once and then never again in that game? The officials stop calling it. The alternative is losing a hockey game because goals are being scored in the blue paint.

          • Phil C says:

            Refs will tolerate a lot in front of the net as long as you don’t use your stick. They will not call interference because they consider it establishing and defending your body position ( Pronger really punishes people in front of the net and he gets away with a lot.

    • montreal ace says:

      I wish Gill would play meaner, and start clearing out the front of the net. I think for him to stay in the lineup he has to change his game, and I think he can. The best defense I seen the Habs play this year, was when Gill and Spacek were not playing. I really would like Emilin to play his natural position in place of Gill

    • krob1000 says:

      wrong spot

  28. keepthefaith says:

    Who in their right mind would retire with all that money left on a contract? Cmon son. Shake your head

  29. Dr.Rex says:

    2011-12 season goal totals:

    -Cam Ward 1
    – Scott Gomez 0

    This sums up the season thus far.

  30. Bripro says:

    With all the talk of tanking and under performing, just remember what dire straits the Black Hawks were in two years before winning the cup.
    Record low attendance, no TV contracts, etc.
    Then they implemented a change in Management philosophy.
    OK we might not have a Toews or Sharp, but once all the high-priced signings decide to kick into high gear (like Cammy last night – IMO his best game this year), the team just might surprise you.
    Let’s see if Mr. Molson will try to change management styles.
    That means saying bye bye to PG.

  31. couldn’t help but chuckle on my way to work at the habs slogan on the bell center….”rise together”….maybe this crappy play is a marketting gimic and they’ll start winning games and stuff?

    ***sarcasm (seems we have to spell it out here nowadays)


  32. Phil C says:

    I can’t believe how much doom and gloom there is here today. Yes the Habs have dug a deep hole and it will be tough to make the play-offs this year, I get that. But these last two games give many reasons to be hopeful. The offense was generating chances all night, the PP looked much better again, and the team defense only gave up 22 shots against a Tampa team that really needed to win. The PK is still top notch. The defense were playing smart hockey all night. LL looks like he can play in the NHL which gives them an unexpected boost to the offense. Tampa was very lucky to get a W out of that game, Price will stop that Wyman shot 99/100. The only area that was bad for the Habs last night was face-offs; 20/49 is not good enough.

    The Habs have not been able to keep a lead this year for two reasons; the forecheck and neutral zone trap under JM was too passive, allowing teams easy exit from their zone and easy entry into the Habs’ zone. More importantly, the defense has not been very good, breaking down under a heavy fore-check (when teams are trailing), lots of giveaways (two players in the top ten and five players in the top forty for giveaways by defensemen), or getting beaten one-on-one on the rush which should rarely happen at this level. Now the Habs have 6 defensemen who can play NHL hockey for 60 minutes and they have a better offensive system than they played under JM. Once they get Gionta back, they will have three lines that can score; that will be fun to watch because opponents will not be able to shut down all three, they’ll have to choose. Subban, Diaz, Emelin, and Eller are getting better every game as they gain experience, and the upper end of their potential is promising. The Habs may not make the play-offs, but as long as the current line-up stays healthy, they are going to be more fun to watch and they will not be an easy win for anybody in the Eastern Conference.

  33. Mr_MacDougall says:

    LOL @ Tanking… The Habs are doing an amazing job running their business, 3rd most valuable team in the league, making loads of money. I’d love to have stock in that company. Tanking is “the only way” man people are nuts that believe in this.

    Did NYR tank? picked up Gaborik and Richards.. now they look great!

    Also, put yourself in Molson’s shoes.. the team earns approx. 15 million per year (without playoffs) and you guys want him to buy out Gomez? NEVER, imagine it as an investment.. what would the ROI be on that strategy.. I think it is safe to assume that money would be wasted, from a business standpoint.

    • The Cat says:

      I think the flyers way is the habs only option myself, Montreal market wont tolerate too much losing. Besides the youth dont always develop well in Montreal.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

      • Vladdy Mondavi says:

        So we need Holmgren as GM?

        Opinions are like kittens, I’m giving them away.

      • J_P says:

        and the flyers youth have all developed extremely well, so unless the habs start improving their drafting dramatically, we could never do what the flyers or red wings do. The flyers also didnt trade picks for patch and band-aid players, but rather traded two star players for picks, good young players, and cap space. Pretty much the opposite of what the habs do.

        Dont forget that even the flyers had a disaster season that allowed them to draft JVR 2nd or 3rd overall. Maybe he’s not playing great this year, but he’s definitely going to be a star.

        No one says you have to tank, but letting the season run its course (maybe incidentally giving us a high draft pick) and not further damaging the future (a la kaberle and gomez trades) will go a long way in giving us long-term success.

        Gainey tried to make something out of nothing, and it failed miserably. The desperation to make the playoffs year in and year out is what kills us.

    • Hobie Hansen says:


    • Mr_MacDougall says:

      If I was GM I would offer the world to Shea Weber.. look what Chara did for Boston… That is all

      • Chrisadiens says:

        If only we had the cap space…..Weber is a beast.

        Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

        • Mr_MacDougall says:

          what about the A Markov retirement?

          • Rudy says:

            I have a question, if Markov can’t play, can they “force” him to retire, and then his salary comes off the cap because he signed the contract before he was 35 years old?

          • J_P says:

            No we can’t. Why would he retire? As long as he keeps rehabbing and trying to come back he still collects a paycheck. Sure, his salary doesnt count right now, and we have LTIR space, but that becomes difficult to use unless we are sure he isnt coming back this year.

          • GrimJim says:

            I don’t think you can “force” him to retire but if a player can’t play and you want him to not affect the cap, simply keep him on LTIR for the duration of the contract.

        • J_P says:

          We just have to bury gomez and kaberle in the off-season, not really a big deal.

      • Phil C says:

        I completely agree, a true contender needs a Norris trophy-type Defenseman playing 25-30 minutes a game. Another good example is Detroit; they have had Lidstrom playing 30 minutes a game for the past 20 years. Anaheim, Edmonton, and Philly have each been to the final with Pronger. Players like Shea Weber do not become available often and Nashville would be one of the few teams who probably would not ask for Carey Price in return.

    • NY was able to actually find a sucker to help them free up some cap space after giving gomez such a retarded contact. i guess gainey’s thought was “a mans garbage is another man’s treasure!”

      failed. point finale

    • ont fan says:

      NY will always get a real shot at free agents but there drafting is terrible….you can’t compare them to the Habs who can’t get a francophone to even look at them with there taxes

  34. adamkennelly says:

    Matt Kassian – he would look much better than Darche on our 4th line….

  35. mb says:

    Off topic, but: Sean Avery on waivers… again.

  36. 123456 says:

    Occupy movement suggestion: Occupy the WIN column Habs!!!

  37. montreal ace says:

    The day the Canadiens start playing for a better draft position, is the day I stop watching hockey. Losing in order to win is a non starter in my idea of what sports is about. I think when a team plays above its talent level, in any sport, to become a champions, is what sport is about. There are things the NHL should change about rewarding failure through the draft, but for a team to need failure as a step to success, is something I dont wish to understand, nor would pay to see.

    • Bripro says:

      Then I guess you don’t watch the Penguins play.

    • J_P says:

      I dont agree with your point. Tanking is intentionally losing games to get a good draft pick. If you have a lot of young talent, and you lose games because the team is young, but you know they are going to be good in the future, its not called tanking, its called being patient. By building, and being patient, that’s how you build long-term success.

      The oilers arent tanking, they are just being patient. Sure, they could have tried to sign flashy free agents to ludicrous contracts in an attempt to make the playoffs, but rather than deviate from the plan, they let their young players play, and let them grow on the ice. They will be a far better team for a far longer time for having done so.

      Habs have a lot of youth. I dont want them to tank, but I dont want them to make asinine moves like the kaberle trade in a vain attempt to get playoff revenue. That isnt how you build success, or long-term success. Clearly throwing money at free agents hasn’t worked for us either.

      Burke tried to rush success in toronto, but when he decided to take a step back, and let the youth run its course, he ended up with a better team…go figure.

  38. TorontoHabsFan says:

    Wisniewski out 6 weeks with an ankle injury. Adjust your fantasy rosters accordingly.

  39. Sportfan says:

    SO yesterday there was whispers of Campoli or Weber to Tampa i know they are weak on the back end there whats the story anymore updates? Is PG really trying to get rid of Campoli?

    • The Cat says:

      I would imagine he is. Theres more logic in sending him rather than Weber.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

    • Vladdy Mondavi says:

      As a UFA at season’s end and a veteran, PP pointman I don’t see why PG wouldn’t be shopping Campoli around.

      Although the writing is on the wall for the Habs missing the playoffs, the picture will (hopefully) be a lot clearer before the trade deadline.

      In all likelihood, he won’t get the same return as Ottawa did last season.
      Opinions are like kittens, I’m giving them away.

  40. Bripro says:

    We deserved better last night.
    It might have already been posted, but the Habs got ripped off not once, but twice!
    The whistle was blown on Carrey’s weak five-hole goal.
    It should have been stopped, but the point is, the whistle blew prior to the puck crossing the line. After their little mid-ice reunion, the decision was changed and the goal was allowed. RDS were saying that they called to Toronto to clarify..whatever. They didn’t call T.O., they called New York’s NHL head office for instructions!
    Then MAB’s goal was CLEARLY redirected with an over-the-shoulder stick from St Louis. It too was supposedly reviewed in Toronto.
    To add insult to injury, Gorges was clearly cross-checked in our crease…no call. So was DD in their end…no call.
    If there was some consistency to the officiating, I wouldn’t complain, but this is bull-spit!
    I’m ready to side with the conspiracy theorists.

    • Habfan4lfe says:

      No you are right. Judging was total bs and reffing was useless and it cost us the game. I don’t know how the hell the high stick deflection was a goal. Even look at price, his head jerks at the last second because the puck had changed direction! The crosscheck on Gorges was sad. How that wasn’t called too is beyond me. Where the hell they get these useless referee’s is beyond me.

  41. doogie says:

    Perhaps I’ve missed the answers already delivered but what’s the timeline for Gionta’s return and what’s happening with Ryan White?

    Despite the collapse last night, I thought that they played with a lot more energy than under JM’s direction. Let’s stay upbeat and patient.

    Habby New Year folks!

    * * * * * * *

    I keep waiting for Shutt-Lafleur- Lemaire to jump over the boards!

  42. Filthy Phil says:

    Mr. Molson please hire Pierre McGuire as GM and let him choose the coach and everything else! here’s to a beautiful 2012 !!

  43. Bobcat Bob says:

    Bobcat Bob
    Most of you Negative Nellies are just in love with your printed words. You call yourselfs fans??? I call you whiners. Go Habs Go — plenty of time to make the playoffs despite the whiners.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Bob, we like to think of ourselves as optimist challenged.
      I will still watch and yes root for this team but I gotta tell ya, not really liking what I’m seeing doesn’t make me less of a fan. I love your positive outlook though.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      Even if the Habs were in 1st place with a bit of cap space heading into the trade deadline there would be furious debate on which player the Habs should go after.

      Some would approve of who management targets and others would be upset.

      That’s what this site is all about.

  44. Hobie Hansen says:

    We’ve taken our licks this year and are in a tough spot at the moment. But lets just say Gomez and Gionta we’re actually delivering $13 million worth of production. If they were producing like Kessler and one of the Sedins….that’s what we should be getting for $13 million.

    So to say we don’t draft well or need to tank because we don’t have good young players is false.

    The players we pay huge dollars to aren’t living up to their contracts, that’s the problem.

    • Habsolutely says:

      Gionta scored 29 goals last season. How many did Gomez score?

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        I do like Gionta and I was thinking last night that I look forward to seeing him perform under Cunneyworth with a bit more emphasis on offense.

        Cammalleri did look good last night. First time I’ve seen him really carry the puck and get involved in passing plays.

        Most of this year he’s been dumping the puck and hoping to be setup for one of his one-timers.

  45. Mats Naslund says:

    Fantastic piece from non-Habs media about PK, who is taking too much blame for the Habs troubles this season.

    The Habs have $23M locked up in 4 players who won’t collectively produce 100 points between them – and some people are blaming the guy who plays 24 Mins per night and is a whopping +/- Minus 1? Criminal.

    • New says:

      You’re right of course. But that’s the way it is. The media drives the opinions. If they say Moen is playing great and PK bad, well, everyone hears that and forgets what their eyes see. Maybe they don’t understand what they see. It doesn’t help that PK is outgoing and shoulders the blame where other players mouth platitudes that somehow mean they are blameless.

  46. LL-not the hockey player says:

    It’s time to face facts. It doesn’t matter who coaches this team.

    A coaching change only makes a difference when you have great players but no results, maybe.

    I still believe we have a good team, albeit fragile these days, and still missing players due to injury.

    I can’t blame PG for what he inherited, and I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt because I don’t know what he tried to do, and was declined.

    If I were a hockey player, would I want to play in Montreal?

    But, unfortunately for him, he is the only one in the position of power to make a change. I would like to see a radical change. Tanking is a very misleading/scary word. PG needs to put aside everything he’s learned, and completely change his approach. Can he do it? I hope so. If not, I’m afraid he won’t be here for the long haul.

    Or, Markov comes back and the team goes on a tear, and we live happily ever after.

    A really good team does not fold in the 3rd period constantly. After the 4th goal last night, there was a span of 7-9 minutes where our forwards hardly had a scoring chance until the dying minutes of the game. Tampa isn’t that good in their zone.
    I’ll support the team forever but, man, is it ever hard to enjoy them these days.

  47. lenny says:

    It’s Quiz Time!

    How many no shows (empty seats) will there be at the next home game?


    Do other GM’s Laugh at PG for making the Kaberle trade?

    Will Price be tempted to take a short contract so he can get out of MTL once he becomes a UFA?

    Will Eller Suban Max pac also want short deals do they can leave once they become UFA?

    Will PG make a desperate move to try and get us to the playoffs, even though everyone realizes it’s next to impossible to finish in the top 8?

    Will PG be fired within 24hrs of the Habs last game? or Later in the summer? Or maybe before the end of the season?

  48. krob1000 says:

    problem posting

    why awaiting moderation??

  49. Chris Higgins says:

    It has been my personal experience that to suck successfully requires little or no preparation!

    • Les Canayens says:

      Hmm… time to tell the guys to ditch those BioSteel programs, cut practice time to almost nul, eat whatever they want (I remember a TV interview where Gionta did not dare taste a tiny bit of poutine), EXCEPT for those who might get the call for a trade. :p

      ☞ I can’t really hear what Jeremy says, because I’ve got my two Stanley Cup rings plugging my ears.☜

  50. krob1000 says:

    Eller not playing great? He was the reason Cole sscored that goal…Eller forechecked the defender, lifted his stick, Patches supported and fired to Cole…after Eller lifted the stick he went directly to the net. The kid has it. He is turning into a puck possession beast and improving every game…last year he had not yet learned to use his body to protect the puck on the walls and in the tighter spaces…this year he dominates shifts…quite often too. He has great vision but has yet to develop the scoring himself. Not uncommon for a bigger frame…he is only 21 years old…I think he has potential to be a mix between Staal and Jokinen. Check out Jokinens stats in his first 3 years…very similar

  51. Rainrocket16 says:

    how bout it…
    Campoli and Markov for Purcell…

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      I don’t think Tampa wants to take on $5.5 million in a player that might not ever play again and even if does, will probably be a shadow of his former self.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Markov = untradeable. One of many on the roster. If u can find any takers would do it in a minute. I am just scared PG will trade the wrong Players. You know, the ones who have value.

    • Les Canayens says:

      Tampa will be 2.34 million over the cap.

      Until Markov plays some games and gets hit hard without grimacing and limping, not even a beer league team would want him.

      ☞ I can’t really hear what Jeremy says, because I’ve got my two Stanley Cup rings plugging my ears.☜

      • RGM says:

        “Until Markov skates for three dayswithout grimacing and limping, not even a beer league team would want him.”

        I fixed that for you.

        GO HABS GO! 2011-12 is probably not our year!
        Chat with me on Twitter @TheRealRGM81

  52. sabi says:

    sabi I am amazed that there is no video of the MAB goal on
    they must be trying to sweep that goal under a rug!!!

  53. 24 Cups says:

    Who do you start in goal tomorrow night?

    Does Price need a rest from now until next Wednesday, or do you go with Budaj knowing full well that another loss could really put your team behind the eight ball just four days into 2012?

  54. ooder says:

    didn’t see the game but watched the replays.
    although wyman’s and bergeron/st. louis goal should not have counted in any way..
    wyman’s shot should have been nowhere near the goal line in the first place
    The 2010-11 Stanley Cup was not won, but given

  55. Habfan10912 says:

    I have overestimated the talent on this team as I believe PG has. We have as the flower has said in the past, no top line. We have too many undersized players. Too many bad contracts which will yield no first or second round draft picks. If we do not play a near perfect game we lose. Last night, Carey was less then stellar and we lose. I am not to sure that the future is looking so bright either. Outside of Price we have no top line talent. Maybe PK develops into a top 4 player and maybe patches but who else on this roster or in Hamilton will develop into a top line player. I hope we draft well in the next couple of years or we will be the Leafs for a few years.

  56. gloveside says:

    I hate the way a team’s record is so misleading since the “tie” has been eliminated. At first glance, a record of 37-31-13 seems like the team is performing at an above .500 clip, when in fact their record is actually 31 wins and 44 loses. Never mind that they get a measly point for losing each of those 13, they still lost all of them.

    Based on this slant on their record, their home record this year is actually 5 wins and 13 loses – last in the NHL. Even Columbus has more home wins.

  57. 24 Cups says:

    THN’s 2011 player of the year is….

    With Crosby being hurt, there was no other real candidate.

  58. mrhabby says:

    Don Meehan as Exec VP and General Manager.

    Guy Carbo , Patrick Roy, M Terrien , G. Boucher one of these guys as coachs.

  59. habs03 says:

    Stay the course for the rest of the season, gets some picks for the out going UFA’s. keep giving DD and Eller ice time and let them battle to see who deserve the top 6 minutes. Hope that we get lucky and win the draft lottery, so we can draft Mikhail Grigorenko, big skilled centre. Retool like the Flyers in 07, and we’ll be in good shape going into a much easier conference.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      i agree on staying the course. the season is a write off. i would keep dd in the top six as he is producing. eller needs to start putting the puck in the net or getting some assists. i would keep him as the third centre until then

      • habs03 says:

        True, Eller needs to step up, I like that RW is stinking with him, he is using DD and Eller on both units. So lets just see if they can be a 2-3 duo down the middle on a good team, if not we get a another Centre, and maybe move one to wing, more likely Eller.

        • mrhabby says:

          eller needs to step up..the kid is playing great the last 2 games..

          • likehoy says:

            contradictory statement?
            “playing great, but needs to step up”

            how much more can he step up from the great play?

            – If the NHL was the Wizard of Oz, Cammalleri would be the Cowardly Lion.

          • krob1000 says:

            He may not have got an assist on Cole’s goal but it was all Eller…he aggressively forechecked, lifted the stick, Patches supported and then Eller went directly to the net. He is starting to really look confident witht the puck and is growing comfortable with hisf rame and how to use it….he still needs a better shot but the kids is cerebral and is clearly on an upswing. He appears to be on a steady incline…he has all the attributes to be a very good player…hsi size, work ethic, smarts, and skill are fantastic…if he had played Junior over here I am not so sure he wouldn’t already be developed and a major contributor…but having played a middle of the ice European game for so long he is adjusting to the style of the game but he looks better every game…

            I think he has the potential to be somewhere between a Jokinen and a Staal. Check out Jokinens stats his first three seasons…eerily similar.
            Bigger bodies take time …and Europeans that much more due to the style change.

  60. habs03 says:

    JM needs to be fired, he is the reason the player to sit back after getting the lead, and he is the reason we are giving up 2 goal leads!!!! Wait….

    I like Guy Boucher, and would like him to coach the Habs, but what is he thinking on on the PP. Its like he is trying to much to be different or something, their PP sucks because he puts Eric Brewer on the first PP unit who isn’t even an offensive D-men, and sits Bergeron and Kubina who are pp specialist.

    • krob1000 says:

      We did not sit back……one goal was aw eak one of a rush, the next one was a deflection in traffic in our end and the winner was off a faceoff where a winger got stuck trying to contain a big skilled centre and was outmatched. We remained aggressive but the momentum changed and the guys did not quit….they did not win but there were many positives. I can handle losing like that….considering it was Vinny scoring the winner, Moore assisting, JT Wyman gettin a goal and an assist, MAb scoring the tying goal (althoguh Stlouis clearly deflected it over his head) …the refs blowing it ….it couldn’t have been drawn up worse but I came away from the game feeling entertained and that it was a pretty good effort.

    • habsolutely416 says:

      i agree.. fire JM :/

      ill be in the slot 😉

  61. J_P says:

    A little adversity and the boys completely collapsed last night. They definitely got robbed by the poorest officiating I have seen in a long time, but at a point you have to stop feeling sorry for yourself and go out and win a hockey game.

    How many times have the habs been robbed of goals by the “the ref intended to blow the whistle” BS when we’ve scored?! Now, all of a sudden we get to be on the other side for a change and the league decides to reverse the call on the ice even though the puck clearly didnt cross the line prior to the whistle being blown. This wasn’t even a case of intent to blow the whistle, the whistle was actually blown! Anyways, that one isnt the goal I am terribly angry about, because frankly, if the ref hadn’t prematurely blown his whistle its a goal anyway. The game tying goal was clearly touched by a Marty St Louis high stick. How the league allowed that goal is beyond me to comprehend.

    Im not going to say the loss is entirely the fault of the refs, but its unreal that the habs just cant seem to catch a break.

    • The Cat says:

      By the rule book, one can argue if those 2 were goals, but by common sense they surely were good goals.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

      • J_P says:

        How was “bergerons” goal that was tipped by St louis over the crossbar a good goal?

        the first goal was obviously a good goal had the ref not blown his whistle, but he did, and by the rule that’s not a goal. We’ve been on the other end of that shaft multiple times and never get the goal awarded.

        • The Cat says:

          Its too iffy to change the ruling on the ice, the stick isnt too high when contact is made with the puck IMO.

          [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

          • J_P says:

            St Louis’ stick blade, which made contact with the puck, was over his shoulders. I know St louis is short, but there’s no way his shoulders are lower than the crossbar.

            Anyways, they gave the goal to bergeron which shows that they simply ignored the fact that st louis tipped the puck.

        • The Cat says:

          Im not going to disagree that the habs get their fair share of shafting, Ive seen it with my own eyes. The reason the habs do get shafted is that the fans are generally too passionate, impolite and protest too damn much compared to say oiler fans.

          [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      That 2nd goal by TB where the ref blew the whistle a little too quickly should not have counted!

      They only showed one replay with sound but the puck was not all the way across the line before the whistle.

      We all know it should have been a goal in reality but the war room has been calling those goals off all year because the puck isn’t across the line before the whistle blows.

      It’s like they made an exception last night because the ref blew the whistle too quick. But why do they start making exceptions on our watch?

      • J_P says:

        exactly. Thats what I was getting at. Whenever we have the whistle blown to quickly on one of our goals, the goal never counts, but all of a sudden when it happens against us, the goal counts.

        • Hobie Hansen says:

          It’s times like those where I wish I could get someone one the phone from the NHL and say WTF!!!!!

          Watch us miss the playoffs by two points cuz of last night….

          • J_P says:

            My buddy said the exact same thing last night about this being a game to look back on if we miss the playoffs by a few points.

            Frankly, I dont even want to make the playoffs. I would like nothing better than for molson to bring in a consultant to watch over gauthier while he does the firesale. This entire organization needs a rebuild and a change in philosophy. Three years ago we made the ECF and have done nothing but regress ever since.

      • Danno says:

        It doesn’t even matter if the whistle was blown before or after the puck crossed the line. If the whistle was blown at any time the goal does not count. (Chris Lee intent to blow call)


        “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  62. Hobie Hansen says:

    Tough loss last night.

    A couple of positives were Moen and Emelin. Yes Moen ended up being a minus -3 but he happened to be right in the face of Malone and that little pest, who I’d love to be a Hab, Downie, when they were yapping and trying to push around the Canadiens. Love to see that!

    And Emelin, wow. This guy loves to hit and on a team that has been starving for players like him for several seasons, he’s a treat to watch.

    As I said yesterday, the one good thing about Martin was that he was able to hold onto leads very well. This year was a different story for various reasons but I hope Habs fans are ready to cough up more 3-1 leads without his system?

    • J_P says:

      Emelin is a HUGE positive this year. With promising prospects like Tinordi and Bealieu coming up through the pipeline in the next few years, our D should be very solid in the future. I think the habs just need to erase this stigma of having to make the playoffs at all costs, and take a small step back to take a leap forward.

      With a maxed out payroll, I dont want to see games like we saw last night, but if we drop some dead weight, stay the course, and build the team properly, I could live with losses like last night’s knowing that the future is promising.

  63. habs001 says:

    Price is an elite goalie but has not played that way this year..his save % is poor vs other goalies but more than that he has not made the great save at crucial times and and in many close or tied games he has given up the key goal before the opposition goalies did…. he has made great saves in games but if if you watch other games great saves are made in every game by all goalies…looking at the stats the boston bruins have scored 24 more goals than we have and given up 43 fewer..we may play them tough(but the leafs have done the same to us over the years) but we are right now not even in the same league as the bruins …

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    • J_P says:

      So would you like Budaj to start from now on? Im very confident that if we didnt have Carey we would actually be in last place in the entire league. We have a very young defense corps, and offensive players who arent getting it done, why is it all Careys fault?

      • HNS says:

        Cause he let in two softies last nite….

      • habs001 says:

        It may be just my perception but it seems to me last year Price faced more difficult shots than this year and overall we were more dominated by other teams in our zone than this year…

      • jimmy shaker says:

        No not every game, but probably at least half since the season is a write off, playoffs are out of the question, the team doesn’t need a frustrated price heading into the off season with negotiations coming up and he just needs a rest judging from the multiple softies he’s been allowing on most nights.


    • likehoy says:

      what a joke. You can’t blame his numbers on him when the Canadiens overall suck. Are you expecting him to have a 2.00gaa and a 930 svpct with this joke of an NHL team?

      We have one of the worst defensive corps in the league if not the worst.

      – If the NHL was the Wizard of Oz, Cammalleri would be the Cowardly Lion.

  64. G-Man says:

    At 1W and 5L, RC is showing an ability to:
    a. get the most out of his players.
    b. give the team a successful game plan.
    c. give the young players more time and responsibility.
    d. lose like a Leaf.
    e. all of the above.

    It ain’t that he can’t speak French. he cannot turn this team around. PK played 26 mins + and was a minus 2 again. CP’s save % was .818 last night.
    Is the Ghost fired yet?

  65. HabFanSince72 says:

    High up among Gauthier’s sins has to be his inability to sign a decent backup for Carey Price. Last year Alex Auld was so bad that CP had to start an insane 72 games.

    This year again he leads the league in starts (tied with Rinne and Ward), and Peter Budaj has only started 5 games.

    Budaj has not really “disappointed” – he was the 60th best goalie in the league for two seasons in a row.

    I think it’s too much for CP, and he is already mentally and physically tired. You can tell by how much better he is in games after a long rest.

    There were better options this year, such as Mathieu Garon and – yes – Jose Theodore.

  66. avatar_58 says:

    Is this team going to stop sucking?

  67. RGM says:

    44 games left in this highly unenjoyable season.
    How is it fathomable that after only 38 games they have snatched defeat from the jaws of victory 14 times?!?
    GO HABS GO! 2011-12 is probably not our year!
    Chat with me on Twitter @TheRealRGM81

    • Mr_MacDougall says:

      Are you kidding? I know it seems like they blew a lot of leads, but 14… that is disturbing! If they held on to half of those they’d be top 6 in the East….

      • RGM says:

        I wish I was. But the ability (or lack thereof) to hold on to a lead is what separates a good team from a not good one, and unfortunately this year, our boys in bleu, blanc, et rouge fall into the latter category.

        GO HABS GO! 2011-12 is probably not our year!
        Chat with me on Twitter @TheRealRGM81

    • bel33 says:

      Love that saying “snatched defeat from the jaws of victory”… my men’s league team says it all the time. We win as much as the Habs do… but at least everyone makes the playoffs in our league.

      … go Habs.

  68. jonnyp says:

    Big changes coming to Montreal , as per an hockey analyst tweeted late lastnught !! Come on what’s this secret !!!

    • Bogie Man says:

      To predict future behaviour you need to only look at the past. Therefore the only thing certain with this team is that they will have a french speaking coach by year end and they will make trades but it will only send washup has beens to the habs which we will pay big money for and long term contracts and we will likely give up strong futures to get these players of age.
      I am not discouraged (maybe a little) just realistic. We have nothing of value other than our futures and no one of value coming the other way will consider Montreal a place with strong leadership and to have imediate cup potential.

  69. Last night’s loss was just depressing, a collapse against one of the few teams that had fewer points than the Habs.

    Ugh, well at least we can still laugh about the Habs, here’s some of their new year’s resolutions:

  70. Lawrencetown Liquor Pigs says:

    Being a Canadiens fan the last little while (re: 19 years) is a bit like being stuck in that bad teenage/early adult relationship we were probably all in. We’re just about ready to cut the chord, then something wonderful happens (a new position?, she starts hanging out with a cute new friend) so we stick it out.

    Then things slide of the rails and end in a drunken disaster outside a small town bar.

    Usually the highs and lows are at long intervals, but this year it seems like every other day. All your friends are telling you to let it go, it’s not worth it, but you can’t bring yourself to do it and you keep going back for more.
    They lost me 2 quarts of rum, better make it up next year with a cup!

    • avatar_58 says:

      We can always “see other people” and watch the World Juniors

      • Lawrencetown Liquor Pigs says:

        World Junior Prelim rounds are like the trip to the rippers that piss off the girl friend though, especially the preliminary round with how cheap and easy it is.

        They lost me 2 quarts of rum, better make it up next year with a cup!

    • Mr_MacDougall says:

      Maybe you need a secret affair with the Hawks to spice things up… She’ll forgive you if it is meant to be!

      • Lawrencetown Liquor Pigs says:

        Ha! I’ll ride it out. We’ll be heading off to school soon, in different cities, so we can try the long distance thing for a while and see how that works. We’ll still end up getting together for long weekends and Christmas, Spring and Summer breaks.

        They lost me 2 quarts of rum, better make it up next year with a cup!

  71. Cape Breton says:

    Team lost way too many faceoffs last nite. Eller won just 6 of 16 and Plex was 5 for 15. Unacceptable! Altogether: 20 w’s and 29 l’s.

    PS: As far as I can tell, Plex ( he of the $5 million and something yearly salary) looks somewhat disinterested of late.

    • Lawrencetown Liquor Pigs says:

      Was thinking the same thing. He’s slipped down my mental “untradeable” hierarchy. He hasn’t slipped far, but I’d be entertaining offers.

      I don’t think we can appreciate how hard it is to play in that market. We like to say “Suck it up, you’re a millionaire”, but life is still life. When things aren’t going well in MTL I feel like the players tune out faster than probably anywhere else.

      They lost me 2 quarts of rum, better make it up next year with a cup!

      • Cape Breton says:

        Hey Lawrencetown, I like your Vees logo. I was a big fan back in the powerhouse days of Al MacNeil & company.

        • Lawrencetown Liquor Pigs says:

          Ha! Way before my time! I used to go to the Metro Center to watch the Citadels play the Sherbrooke Canadiens though, waving my Habs jersey like mad! I saw the baby habs, Fredericton version, quite a few times at the Aitken Center too. I remember being a kid and thinking Donald Brashear was gonna be our saviour. Ouch.

          They lost me 2 quarts of rum, better make it up next year with a cup!

    • G-Man says:

      Question. Why in hell does Eller get the 2 big bodies in Pac and Cole and not Pleks? He’s been the best center in Montreal for years and he’s been handed squat. Give Pleks those two and Moen and AK can play with Eller. Show him a little bleeping respect.

      • Lawrencetown Liquor Pigs says:

        That I agree with. I think the problem is DD, Eller and Pleks are 3 decent centers, Pleks being high on the decent spectrum, DD and Eller falling in around the middle, maybe lower. Throw in fair to middling production from the “skilled” wingers and it really seems it doesn’t matter which groupings you throw together you end up with the same middle of the road results.

        Seems to me the majority of the teams in the league have a similar situation.

        They lost me 2 quarts of rum, better make it up next year with a cup!

      • Habfan10912 says:

        GMan I agree but this just points out one of the flaws of this team which is too many undersized players. I was called clueless last night by someone defending Gionta and his 28 and 29 goal seasons. The problem is there is cert little value in the market for him, Gomez, Markov and now Kabrele. Doesn’t it kind of remind you of where the Knicks were under Isaiah?

  72. FuzE_gus says:

    Bottom line….it’s just not that fun to follow this team right now. A rebuild that has fallen flat and an uncertain future has really dulled the experience of following this team. There are some bright spots, some talented young players but what is missing is a vision and a defined culture. We all know who the Habs were. What are the Habs now? I’d like to store my emotions for this team for the time being. I anxiously await the next major step because it will define who the Canadiens organisation wants to be. A team with a clear vision based on excellence or a team destined for another decade of mediocrity.

    With Regards from FuzE_gus

  73. Marc10 says:

    Ugh… I think we’re going to get spanked in Sunrise but who knows?! The Ottawa, TB and Florida roadtrip should really be a homestand for the Canadiens. Our fans surely outnumber theirs 2 to 1 and are louder.

    Unfortunately… our fans don’t play their fans…

  74. HabFanSince72 says:

    I told you so.

    The Ottawa game was a false dawn.

    Looking forward to draft day.

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