Canadiens own Ottawa

WhiteNeil
Which team is going to the playoffs?
On the evidence of the Friday night game, it should be your Montreal Canadiens.
The rock ‘em/sock ‘em bleu-blanc-rouge/black’n’blue beat the Senators 5-1, completing a 4-0-2 season series.

Pat Hickey’s game story

Quotes from the room, featuring Mr. Humble, Erik Cole

John Kenney photo gallery

Pierre Ladouceur’s game report card

Dave Stubbs on the great Gordie Howe

Red Fisher on cleaning up the Canadiens mess

Jets stay alive

Stud up or sit down?

Stu Hackel on lenient officiating

100 Comments

  1. LizardKing1967 says:

    I said it before and I will say it again……
    Last place team. OK.

    Prices numbers (for a last place team) are better than 2/3 of the goalies in the NHL – 2.41GAA, .916PCT.
    No number one D-man.
    3 rookie d-men.
    Gio injured all year
    Markov injured all year
    Pleks having a bad year (with toss-up line mates all along)
    2 – 30 goal scorers (with a Martin St-Louis type centre)
    A sophomore d-man playing his way into SUPER stardom
    some team toughness we haven’t seen since Nilan – Kordic

    Next year is looking mighty fine to me buddies.

    Cole – DD – Max
    Gio – Pleks – Eller
    Bourque – Leblanc – Moen
    Staubitz – White – Blunden

    Subban – Gorges
    Markov – Emelin
    Diaz – Kaberle

    Don’t look too bad to me.
    Some tweeking maybe, but dang, there is ALOT of hope dudes.

    PLUS we get a top-5 pick in the draft this year
    PLUS we have Gallagher, Tinordi, Bournival, Holland, Beaulieu all coming up in the next year or two.

    WHAT THE HECK IS WRONG WITH THIS TEAM THAT GAINEY BUILT?!?!?!?!

    I, personally, think he did a great job, and PG has continued.
    Sure, they have made some mistakes, but so has EVERY OTHER GM in the damn league. (BG DIDN’T trade Cam Neely. BG DIDN’T SIGN Gomez to that contract. BG DIDN’T trade every good goalie he had to the Bruins. BG DIDN’T pass on Denis Savard at the draft. BG DIDN’T fire Scotty Bowman and hire a bowling alley owner).

    That’s only a select few garbage happenings.

    We WILL get back on track. SOON.

    Drive for 25. 2012-2013. Max-Pac for Conn Smyth.

    I BELIEVE!

    • habsfanforever7631 says:

      In Diaz’s spot if we could have a shut down dmen that would be better, and a top 6 forward.
      We have 2 30 goal scorers, all we need is some 20 goal scorers.
      So maybe Eller Plec Gio and another winger next year and we’ll have are scoring.
      Also all the leads we gave up that’s why I think we need a shut down dmen.
      Markov will fix our PP problems.

  2. habsfanforever7631 says:

    Dtoight
    First your saying that DD Pacioretty Cole are not first line players, now your saying they are, what do you really think?

  3. habsfanforever7631 says:

    I seriously hate when people keep trashing on DD.
    I think we could keep plec as long as he has good wingers who he could pass the puck to.
    This year he has everyone from AK to Bourque to Darche to White play with him and he’s still got 47 points.
    Pretty good. Oh yeah he’s on the top PK in the leag.

  4. 69HABS says:

    @ LA Loyalist

    Price beat the Broons is his very first playoff series.

    Loose the Hate for Carey!

  5. Trackpants says:

    I can’t imagine why anyone would want to trade Plecks? If this season has been one of his poorest, he has impressed me night in and night out. Which has been hard considering the way this season has went. I haven’t missed more then a couple games this season and I can tell you that guy deserves a spot on the team and a leadership role. If your looking for scape goats on this team you don’t have to look far… but the only reason we should be looking at trading Plecks anywhere is if we are setting the table to live in the basement for many seasons to come. Now lets talk about the Cammy trade, everyone still happy with that great deal? Other then the salary space, which wasn’t much, Bourque looks like he has got the sails at full mast out there most of the time… Perhaps someone should explain to him what playing with grit constitutes.
    Win our loose were all habs fans for life… sad but true.
    =TP

    • neumann103 says:

      Plekanec is one of four or five current Habs who should be close to untouchable. The only reason to trade Plekanec would be as a significant part of a deal for a franchise player. Plekanec is one of the only players that have significant value on the trade market so a rational person might mention him in that context. But trading Pleks would leave huge holes that would not be easy to fill. People who just want to get rid of him to save salary or because he only has 47 points this year are nuts.

      “Et le but!”

  6. Alex_425 says:

    Oh Mr. Boone, what is happening with our dear Liverpool F.C.? Beaten 2-1 by the 19th place Wigan, and I’m finding it harder and harder to defend that squad, apart from Suarez, Gerrard, Reina, and maybe Kuyt.

  7. habsfanforever7631 says:

    How many teams have 2 30 goal scorers?

  8. habsfanforever7631 says:

    DD Pacioretty Cole makes a good first line.
    It’s our second line we have some problems with.
    We traded AK and Cammy away, which leaves us with wingers that not suppose to be on the second line.
    Gionta has been injured all season.
    So if we can’t get a good big center, cause you can’t just find them anywhere, let’s get a winger to play with Plec and Gio, and let’s get a shut down dmen.

  9. habsfanforever7631 says:

    @dtoight Sorry, I dont feal like sucking for the next 5 years, the oilers are the oilers, doesn’t mean we should do what there doing.

  10. LA Loyalist says:

    It’s a slow day as our high draft pick wobbles in peril. Let me run this up the pole:

    Imagine Caps had slaughtered us in that playoff series, as they should have, we would have been forced to face the truth, that the re-build was a disaster and had to be re-thunk.

    Wouldn’t we be better off now if we had been spared that delusion and bitten the appropriate bullet?

    Don’t be fooled by a few meaningless wins late in the year. Worse than screwing up a high pick, it creates the impression that the team is sound.

    It isn’t. And big stuff better happen this summer.

  11. HardHabits says:

    Just call me the Oracle at DelpHIO

  12. Habsolutely says:

    Montreal hasn’t had a top 5 pick in 27 years. Crazy.

  13. HabinBurlington says:

    Watching and listening to the videos provided by HIO after the game, was amazing the theme that came out in those interviews.

    Cole and Price both spoke directly to how this team is now standing up as a 5 man unit on the ice. How some specific players who are playing their role with physicality have essentially galvanized this team to now be a 5 man unit out there.

    This is not to say that our team should run around and start fights, but rather, last night was a perfect example of Ottawa trying to do just that, and the Habs stood up to them and said collectively ENOUGH!

    This is precisely what players like Gionta inferred after last season and how they wanted some “muscle” added to this lineup. JM was never going to let that happen, we saw in New York when facing the Rangers how he found his excuse to nail Blunden to the bench for his penalty of too many men and interference (the interference call was a terrible call by the way) and JM essentially said good night to Blunden that very game.

    It is this precise lack of understanding between PG the GM and his players that I have issues with PG going forward. Yes he has since identified this issue and is trying to rectify it. But how could he not recognize this much sooner and stand up to his own coach and explain how this team was going to play. Perhaps because he cannot do such a thing, because he is reactive by nature and not proactive.

    I wonder how this team would have performed this season had some of these simple moves had been made in the off season along with the coaching change in the off season.

    Instead of Campoli bring in O’Brien
    Instead of Enqvist/Nokia dare I say Konopka, okay I am sure a better option was available.

    My point is simple, this team desperately needed to have physical support and they were not given that until long after the season was lost. Yes we can talk about the injuries, they didn’t help, but the principle issues were there from the start regardless of the Markov injury and White injury.

    I even almost wonder if perhaps Gionta, Cammy and Gomez would have had a different start to the year if some of these simple changes had been done much sooner.

    Ahhh good old hindsight vision eh PG, perhaps you will see the next move coming before you get in your car headed back to Vermont for the summer and hopefully longer.

    • The Cat says:

      Very good post. A lot of us saw this need a long frickin’ time ago too. All one had to do was look at the Sens in the playoffs under JM. JM is too stubborn and too anal retentive and who only cares about pigeon-holing players into a specialty teams role….Ok that said, I think more toughness is still needed, whats on the ice now is better than before but lets not lie, Chris Neil pretty much handed Staubitz and White’s asses back to them.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Absolutely Cat, all last summer seemed like hundreds of us were saying add some toughness to 4th line, add some toughness to Defence and lets see what we got. PG did add Cole and the rest is history.

    • boing007 says:

      I say we keep Nokelainen. And Gionta. Weber, Diaz, Campoli and Kaberle can all hit the road. Good riddance.

      Richard R

    • habstrinifan says:

      JM is and was an A-HOLE. I would never fogive him for what he did to out franchise/team. Your post reminding me of his stupidity made me even more angry at him.. if that’s possible. I hope he is BANNED from ever entering the Bell Centre by the new administration.

  14. habstrinifan says:

    Boone brought up the name of a player often overlooked in discussions about next year and the moves that should be made to improve the team.

    Many people identify Plekanec as a player who would command the most interest and presumably the best return from GM’s around the league and not wreck the ‘core’ foundation or the future of the team.

    I dont see Plekanec improving greatly in offensive numbers regardless of wingers etc. So counting on him, with better wingers, to significantly upgrade our offense may not be smart. However..
    I think his other assets are too huge to forego.
    The team will miss his defensive ability if we trade him.
    He is adaptable to any line/duty; skilled enough to move between top 3 lines effortlessly; defensively capable enough to PK , and isnt injury prone. Also he is apparently a good team guy. So if you trade Plekanec you would be losing many intangibles which may not be replaceable from within and it is no sense trading him for ‘like’.

    But what about Gionta. He really fills one role and one role only on the team. To be a top 3 forward. Either by scoring goals or setting up goals.

    His reputation around the league would not have taken a large hit based on this season. He should completely recover from his injury.
    And will continue to be a very useful forward.. with the limitations of size.

    So if we can package Gionta based on his reputation (which is good) for a BIG centre or winger it would augment our forward lines without losing all the other facets of the game that Plekanec has shown that he can deliver.

    While Gionta has demonstated that he can personally score more than Plekanec.. he is not impactfully high enough a point-producer to make losing him such a huge negative. And if we can bring in a younger BIGGER forward with some up-side then I think we combine Gionta in a package.

    If I were planning I would see what I can get for Gionta+ before I think about trading Plekanec.

    • sheds88 says:

      Great Points ! however if we make the playoffs , Plex and Gionta are exactly the type of experienced shut down ( Plex ) and clutch goals (Gionta) type of guys you need to go deep. i understand Plex doesn’t always show up offensively come playoffs but his defensive skills are huge and we all know how massive a penalty kill can be in the playoffs! i believe this off season will be interesting with Moen, Darche, Gionta all coming back who do we get rid off ? Bourque? White? Staubitz? Noki ? Blunden? what happens to Geoffrion ? when we bury Gomez this off season, we should be able to pick up a decent winger for Plex and Gionta. * fingers crossed* Eller improves even more next year, we should have three solid lines. Markov, Subban, Gorges, Emelin, Diaz , Kaberle doesn’t sound too bad. Again…*fingers crossed* & * wishful thinking *
      Cheers!

      _______________________________________________________________________
      i don’t know why they keep comparing Carey Price to God………i mean he’s good, but he’s no Carey Price.

    • boing007 says:

      Plekanec is like a Swiss Army knife. Multitalented, with more upside than faults. You would need four or five players to replace all the attributes that he possesses.

      Richard R

    • RGM says:

      How quickly we forget the 07-08 season, when Pleks had great wingers in Kovalev and Kostitsyn – they had lightning in a bottle that year, sure, but when Pleks have fellow skill players flanking him he can be a very potent offensive weapon.

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  15. HabFanSince72 says:

    One of the things we’ve been telling ourselves to get through this miserable season is “look at Ottawa – they turned it around in one year”.

    Unfortunately, they didn’t.

    They still suck.

    I predict they will finish 9th.


    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

  16. rhino514 says:

    Is anyone else fairly impressed with Nokelainen? He hardly gets any playing time and no linemates of note, but he executed the two on one like someone who knows what to do when he has a scoring opportunity. He´s also supposedly great at faceoffs, and over 200lbs. I think he´s a pretty decent guy to have on the fourth line.
    If White and Nokia stay, that means only one of Darche, Blunden, or Staubitz can stay full-time next season

    • naweed235 says:

      actually I am not at all impressed… There are plenty of other guys that can provide more of a sand paper on the 4th line and can do a better job than him in my opinion …
      I think the Habs need to go after Gaustad this summer.

      If they manage to sign the following free agents this summer, I’ll more than happy:
      -Parise (Lace his palm with gold and do what ever it takes to get him here… Heck Give him Gomez’ contract for all I care)
      – Gaustad (give him no more than $ 3M… I know it’s alot for a 4th liner but atleast he can play physical, play the PK and win faceoffs)
      – Bryan Allen (No more than $ 3.2M)

      dump Gomez and Krepale

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Last night was one of Nokia’s better games of the season, but he still brings virtually nothing to the table. He cannot be on this roster next year.

  17. JUST ME says:

    The Sens fell into the trap yesterday. With Cole`s domination they had to open the game and try to build on something. They needed to get into a rythm but did the opposite letting the frustration take over.

    Nice game by the Habs.Another brilliant display by Cole, solid game by Price and wise coaching by RC. Personaly have to dwell on that cause feeling of emptiness is undescribable this season… Have a good day and a good game tonite !

  18. Habitant in Surrey says:

    http://www.montrealgazette.com/sports/Carter+statue+next+greats/6352903/story.html
    …Stu Cowan writing that Gary Carter statue should share space with Beliveau’s, Morenz, Richard & Lafleur’s in front of the Bell Centre
    …I enjoyed Gary Carter while He was here, some great memories; not only of Carter alone, but the Expos Team
    …no problem with a park, or street or a downtown bust for Gary Carter …but for Cowan to suggest Gary Carter ‘share’ a hallowed space with the immortal icons of Our Montreal Canadiens is inappropriate, offensive, sacrilegious …and DOWNRIGHT DUMB ! :(
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  19. Clay says:

    ERIC COLE!!!
    I still want that high draft pick, but that was great to see. He exemplifies what it means to be a Montreal Canadien.

    __________________________
    ☞ If I agreed with you we’d both be wrong. ☜

  20. NCRhabsfan says:

    Stu Hackel is right on with his article on NHL officiating and discipline. Here’s a couple of ideas: 1) when officials call a minor or no penalty and the league subsequently suspends the player, the referee(s) gets suspended for the same length of time for failing to do his job; 2) if a player plays badly odds are if he’s not named Gomez he doesn’t stay in the show long. Why is it different for referees? The league should “relegate” the poorest 2 or 3 referees each season. At the end of the year they could poll GMs or sportswriters or evaluate the refs themselves and the three with the poorest record get sent to the AHL and the 3 best in the AHL get promoted. You do that every year. It would create an incentive for referees to do their job that is sadly lacking right now.

  21. Ian Cobb says:

    Ya but if they change the coach, then he will change the players. So until we know first who is going to run the ship as far as GM and coaches, it is imposable to try and put players together.

    But at least we had fun watching hockey last night. Only the second fun game of the year. The last fun game was our Summit game when we played a great game against the Rangers!

    It would be very nice if the boys could treat us to another great game in Philly tonight.!

    So let’s first see what moves Molson makes first before dreaming boys and girls. As far as putting Roy on the pay roll, who has never won even a pizza coaching, that will never happen! He has already quit on us once if I remember!

    • habstrinifan says:

      Big Apple?
      Re-calibrate Re-calibrate Ian. I think the boys ar ein Philly tonight.

      Would be nice if it were the Rangers.. would have been an easier and more finesse game I think.

      I expect truculence from the city of brotherly love tonight.

      EDIT: Thanks Ian.. now I look like a complete fool. LOL.

    • HabFab says:

      Ian, you would think people here actually had a say or vote in the management decisions of the Habs!
      I mean beside you and me ;)

      • Ian Cobb says:

        Frank! we should just go to Mtl., walk into G. Molson’s office and let him know that we should be running the show! We would bring home the 25th for sure my friend! By the way, how is your French??

        • HabFab says:

          Very rusty! It has been almost 35 years since I left la belle province. I don’t starve when visiting BUT the francophone media would have me for breakfast!

          Would sound like Blunden doing his interview in French the other day which wasn’t too bad. Okay, reword to almost as well as Blunden :)

  22. HabinBurlington says:

    So for just one day can we own Philadelphia as well? Plex will have his hands full with Giroux, while Staub and Whitey will need to deal with sideshow Bob Hartnell and company.

    Peter Budaj has had some nice moments would like to see him provide a nice game tonight. Make sure you eat your Wheaties this morning boys, gonna need all your energy tonight.

  23. HabFab says:

    Just in case you ever wondered how much your favorite (or not) Hab is paid per day of the season;
    http://capgeek.com/tracker/team.php?team=2

  24. habstrinifan says:

    Boone your ‘about last night’ is superb! You managed to express the ordinary fan’s temporary satisfactory answer to ‘what have you done for me lately’ topically to this one game…without too many cliches or hyperbole.

    Very very good!

  25. Mavid says:

    Still basking in the glory of last night ..now they are thinking of stepping down off that high perch they were on , just a couple of loses away from having to stop those playoff ticket commercials.

  26. habstrinifan says:

    Boone is at it again: I love this line.
    “heck, even Lars Eller got into the pushin’/shovin’/face-washing’/yo-mama chirpin’ act.”

    Hey Boone I was a great yo-mama chirper which is why I love the line. People think yo-mama chirping is a tasteless, cowardly,worthless style…. and it is not.

    Now mind you I only mean on the field of play. I dont roll with people carrying on ‘gladiatorial combat’ techniques onto real life.

    But on the field a ‘yo-mama’ chirper’ is a big plus.

    My ‘yo-mama chirping’ personality would start setting in when I was putting on my socks and then doing up my laces. For some reason that marked to me that it’s game-on. I could be nice and ordinary till then.

    I actually saw the faces of the ‘players’ ,whom through reputation or past-history I had already decided to target for my ‘yo-mamas’. Saw their foreheads wrinkle and their nostrils flare as they basically ‘lost their focus in wasted energy’ and uttered their you ‘slimy mother-ffff’ as they essentially became out-of-control vengeance machines rather than engaged players.

    So to the entire rest of the NHL especially the Booins and the Laffs and yes now the Senaturds.

    “YO-MAMA!!!”

    One thing though. As a yo-mama practitioner you need two things ” a baby-face to show to the refs as you plead innocence and wheels when you went to far and a neanderthal was trying to send you to
    the promise land.

    So dont hate me because I am a ‘yo-mama’ kinda guy.

  27. HabFab says:

    See Ladouceur scored Campoli at 7.5. You know what, I can’t disagree. Campoli was brutal playing D for us up until after the trade dead line. Since then, although capable of scaring the bejeepers out of you, as done a fairly decent job on the 5-6 pairing. Who would have thunk it???

  28. HabinBurlington says:

    I agree, and I am not saying that in doing so we were ready to sip from the Chalice. My point is at least start with that so we can better evaluate what we got. Instead we start the year expecting Gomez, Cammy and Gionta to defend themselves, that was suicidal.

  29. habstrinifan says:

    I appreciate Gionta’s leadership but I think the leadership mantle has been implicitly passed to Cole/Gorges/Markov etc so I dont see a backward step there. In fact I think if Gionta returns AS CAPTAIN next season it would be a negative. No way does he NOW or in the FUTURE have the same influence as when he left.

    I identify his offensive skills as better than Pleks but not impactfully so. While the rest of his game is significantly less than Pleks.

    I am with you re ‘rebuilding’ I am suggesting that if you were talking to other GM’S about your assets and wanted to give up a top player to get that size winger or centre who would make the 2nd line better… I would offer Gionta rather than Plekanec and feel quite safe that I hadnt damaged the team in other areas.

    One caveat… I am not interested in giving up huge asstes for a supposed ‘superstar’. I am talking about bringing in someone like Cole.. just around the 2nd tier status in assessment… just before he got here anyways.

  30. Habsolutely says:

    ” In fact I think if Gionta returns AS CAPTAIN next season it would be a negative. No way does he NOW or in the FUTURE have the same influence as when he left.”

    lol. are you in the dressing room to know this? Something tells me the players and team respect Gionta a little more than you do. Gionta is the captain, will be the captain next season. Bet on it. Teams don’t strip players of their captaincy because they got injured.

  31. HardHabits says:

    You mean the Pricebury Doughboy.

  32. habsfanforever7631 says:

    Do you really feel like being last place for the next 5 years, seriously?
    I don’t think we need a full rebuild, I think we need to add some parts, that’s all.
    Just my opinion.

  33. boing007 says:

    Cool it with the exclamation points. You remind me of Elaine on Seinfeld.

    Richard R

  34. HardHabits says:

    I agree the Oilers have the top end talent but they aren’t drafting that well in the later rounds. History will have still to be made if they are to prove to have the organizational depth to build a contender. By that I mean a team that finishes at best in the top 5, at worst in the top 10, over-all.

    As for drafting, both Chicago and Pittsburgh had good selections late. The Bruins, Rangers and Flyers have also built teams using good draft picks, Philadelphia with the 2003 draft and Boston and Rangers with a few years of good picks outside the 1st round. The Bruins, Rangers and Flyers though also made good UFA signings and all three teams built with size and skill.

    The difference between the latter three teams and the Habs is they have managed assets better, have made better trades and have made better UFA signings.

    The Rangers traded Gomez and got McDonagh. They also buried contracts and bought out others. The Flyers flipped their two 2003 draft pick gems for even more assets although the Bryzghalov signing is a head scratcher, even taking into account his recent play. Boston built it all around Chara and has made some good trades as well as played their cards right, the Kessel trade being a major boon. How would Montreal react to an offer sheet of 6 or 7 million made to Price by contrast?

    Where I agree with you is that the Habs for most of the past 2 decades have been content with building a team that can maybe make the play-offs and hope for the best or some kind of miracle run, which never happens. When it does, the players that led the charge get traded. Cue the LeClair/Desjardins lamentations.

    The big concern for me is that over the summer the team could very well squander more assets or acquire more albatross contracts in the name of hurriedly putting together a team that is merely capable of capturing one of the final play-off spots on the last game of the season, and thus perpetuate the mediocrity that has become Canadiens hockey.

  35. habsfanforever7631 says:

    DD Pacioretty Cole?

  36. boing007 says:

    Most playmakers are soft to medium hard. Gretzky was no muscle man.

    Richard R

  37. habsfanforever7631 says:

    So your gona trash on 2 30 goal scorers?
    Come on, 2 30 goal scorers don’t play on the second line.

  38. jedimyrmidon says:

    I have no idea why people keep saying on a contending team the Cole-DD-Pacs line would be a second line… 2 30 goal scorers on the second line? Maybe for the Penguins… but who else?

  39. Mark C says:

    Two of those players are tied for 16th in the league for goals, yet you think they are second line players? Oh boy.

  40. joeybarrie says:

    170 points is a second line?

  41. HardHabits says:

    DD is great but I think still a bit challenged as an NHL #1 centre. Who knows? He’s done it at every other level. I worry that he might have a short NHL shelf life, no pun intended.

  42. Mark C says:

    Love the use of “in fact” followed by a statement that is 100% opinion, unless this poster is part of the team.

  43. Trackpants says:

    dtoight, I am not sure i agree with you 100% about what is the winning formula regarding the top 6 forwards. I do remeber the confrence finals against Philly, and I agree with the general idea we need to get bigger upfront (#1 center case and point). But trading plecks is more like cutting off your nose to spite your face in this case. I would say we had a small top 6 for serveral years now. I don’t blame the offense for the mess we are in this year. The difference between this year and pervious years has been all about the blueline. You can’t blow leads in 23 games in one season and expect to be in the playoffs. I agree, draft bigger forwards, deal for them whatever you have to, but you can’t expect Price to prop up a Defense has been down right pitiful this year. In addition to getting bigger upfront, we need some Defensemen that play defense. And well trading for Kaberle, I am not sure what planet you would have to be on to think that was a good idea… not good enough for the Leafs so we pick him up at 4.3 mil a year. WOW ;)
    =TP

  44. Habzfan says:

    What do you call a FULL rebuild??


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