Canadiens in last place

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Your Montreal Canadiens are on the bottom, looking up at the rest of the Eastern Conference.
In Thursday night action, Carolina lost to Anaheim in a shootout. By gaining a point, the Hurricanes moved up to 14th place.
If it’s any consolation, the Leafs lost again and were knocked down to ninth, while a team in sunny Manitoba took over the Southeast Division lead.
And a centre with size was traded … but not to Montreal.

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383 Comments

  1. jonnyp says:

    If we’re not first we may as well be last lol

  2. boing007 says:

    The Habs threw Eller into the lion’s den straightaway. Why not Geoffrion? The team needs some youthful enthusiasm to wake them up.

    Richard R

  3. Adidess says:

    Wasn’t very hard to do, but I predicted on Sunday we would likely be last in the conference by the week-end (some were still optimistic about the playoffs, which boggles the mind). But I too was wrong, it didn’t even take the week-end. What a nightmare of a season!?
    This team is at least 3 core pieces away from contending. A 1st tier/big centerman, a pt per game producer or 40 goal-scorer, a shutdown defenseman in addition to the return of Markov. Anything less, and we’ll be hoping to make the playoffs or pass the first round next year again. We can get to 7th or 8th place with minor tinkering this off-season, but there will be no parade on Ste Catherine for a while, if the current roster is it in terms of our core going forward.

  4. Chris says:

    Regarding Alexander Ovechkin…

    Yes, I would make a trade involving Alexander Ovechkin, and I would part with a fair amount to do it.

    Ovechkin is having a miserable season. He has a long contract that pays him a stink load of money. Those two factors could combine to make Ovechkin the kind of player that might be had for less than you would need to pay to get a similarly talented player from someone else (Malkin, Crosby, the Sedins, Datsyuk, Stamkos, etc.).

    But what would you be getting? We all know that Ovechkin burst out on the scene, playing with a reckless abandon and passion that made him more popular than Sidney Crosby while he steamrolled his way to 5 straight seasons of 45+ goals and 90+ points (4 of them with 50+ goals and 100+ points). Then he had a “bad” year after Montreal figured out the “book” on him, a year where he fell to 32 goals and 85 points.

    To put Ovechkin’s bad year into perspective, a signficant number of people would trade quite a bit for Rick Nash, 27 years old and a prototypical power forward. Interesting, isn’t it, that Rick Nash only put up 32 goals and 66 points himself last season?

    Ovechkin hits more than Nash, and he hits harder. He scores more than Nash. He has far more playoff experience than Nash, and has performed in the playoffs even if his team hasn’t. I’m not sure I get the Nash love affair and the Ovechkin backlash.

    “Oh, but Ovechkin floats…”

    He sure does. And so did Yzerman, Gretzky, Lafontaine, Hawerchuk, Malkin, Stamkos, Lemieux and countless other superstar offensive player at that age. But you’re not going to find many players who can match the production of Alex Ovechkin, so you have to live with floating at times. That is why you pay players like Plekanec or Moen or Gionta…they aren’t going to produce the offence than an Ovechkin could, so you surround him with a strong supporting cast and hope for the best.

    “He’s a choker and/or he only plays for money.”

    Over his career, Ovechkin has scored 25 goals and 50 points in 35 playoff games, both scoring rates being markedly higher than his regular season production.

    So what’s wrong with Alex Ovechkin?

    First up, if I knew the answer, you can bet I wouldn’t be here writing this post but instead going to Ted Leonsis for a hefty paycheque to get his huge star going. That huge grain of salt out of the way, I’ll toss out some ideas.

    First of all, he is scoring at roughly the same percentage that he always has, with a shooting percentage of 11.4% that is only slightly off his career average. What has changed, particularly since his big years, is the amount he shoots…Ovechkin used to fire off something like 350-500 shots per season. This year, he is on pace to fire just 310 shots, which would be the lowest of his career.

    Ovechkin has obviously not been playing with the same passion that was the hallmark of his early career. It is obvious that he and Bruce Boudreau were no longer on the same page, and Dale Hunter doesn’t seem to carry much respect in the locker room himself given Ovechkin’s attitude and the recent public outburst by Roman Hamrlik, a consummate professional. So a change of scenery might be the best thing that happened to Alex Ovechkin. Like Kovalchuk, who I still believe would have thrived in Montreal, I think Ovechkin is the consummate attention-seeker. We tend to denigrate such athletes, but the reality is that a common trait amongst elite athletes is that they demand the spotlight. The Montreal market absolutely embraced Alex Kovalev…as sublime as Kovalev was, he is not in the same stratosphere as Alexander Ovechkin as a hockey player. Kovalev was more technically sound, but Ovechkin is a beast.

    Ovechkin should never have been named the captain. At the very least, he should have been surrounded by a strong leadership group, which the Capitals really don’t have.

    Lastly, Ovechkin has been hurt by a weak supporting cast. Mike Green and Nicklas Backstrom, the two running mates in creating the offensive juggernaut that the Capitals boasted the past few seasons, have struggled with injuries all year, missing 47 and 22 games, respectively. Semin has been far off his usual level, and Knuble finally fell prey to Father Time. Ovechkin did it by himself earlier in his career, but he’s being asked to play a more complete game for a good team now, as opposed to being given free reign to wreak havoc for a bottom feeder.

    Fine, but would Molson do it?

    Molson, a consummate business man, must understand how lucrative the acquisition of Alexander Ovechkin could be. The Montreal Canadiens have long been one of the most popular franchises around the world because of their storied history, and particularly in Russia because of their stylish play in the 1970′s. Put Russia’s favourite son on the Montreal Canadiens and you’ve suddenly got a marriage made in heaven from a marketing point of view. It’s not quite David Beckham/Manchester United, but it is as close as you’re getting in the NHL.

    So yes, I think Molson would do it.

    Okay…what do YOU give up?

    With Carlson, Alzner, Schultz, and Orlov, the Capitals have a pretty good group of youngish defencemen. Even Mike Green is only 26. So I don’t think you necessarily have to throw P.K. Subban in, as the Capitals think that Carlson is every bit as good as Subban. Jarred Tinordi or Nathan Beaulieu would have to go, though.

    Next, this year’s 1st round pick would have to be included. And if that pick happens to be top-3, then we might have a deal. The opportunity to pick up Yakopov or Grigorenko might be the salve for Leonsis to make a deal like that this summer.

    I think you’d have to include one of the young wingers, either Eller or Pacioretty. I’d hate to give up Pacioretty, but Eller would mean giving up another roster player to make up the discrepancy in value.

    So, let’s say we have a top-3 pick. You offer the Capitals Tinordi (remembering that Mark Tinordi played there for 5 years, so Jarred might carry more value to the Caps), Pacioretty, your 2012 1st round pick and perhaps another draft pick to get it done.

    The knock against this is that people are going to inevitably say that Pacioretty already has the same production as Ovechkin, so why would we give up so much. That is a valid concern.

    The question that has to be asked is whether Pacioretty has the same ceiling that Ovechkin has already established he can reach (I would say little chance) and whether this year’s 1st round pick is another Ovechkin or Stamkos.

    I know that Ovechkin is a superstar. I don’t know what Yakupov, Grigorenko or any of the other kids in this year’s draft are going to do. So we’re talking about a known commodity (and gambling heavily on a return to 50-goal form) versus an unknown commodity.

    Now, I am going to go put on my flame retardant suit…have at it! ;)

    • shiram says:

      It’s a reasonable but risky proposal, laid out like that it make sense.

    • Rad says:

      Absolutely ludicrous to give up Pacioretty, a top 3 draft choice, as well as the 2 best prospects in the organization for Ovechkin. The draft pick alone could end up being as valuable as the Big O. A trade like that is putting all your eggs in one basket, very high risk. What if Alex fractures his leg or has a concussion, and is never again the same player he once was? Or has a career ending injury? I would not give up arguably our 4 most valuable assets for ANYBODY. Hockey is a team game. Hockey games are won by foot soldiers in the trenches, not on the billboard.

      • Chris says:

        I’m not saying that we give up our two best prospects…pick one of Beaulieu or Tinordi, not both.

        Your argument about Ovechkin breaking his leg could easily be stated for whoever they draft or Pacioretty or Tinordi.

        The draft pick alone COULD end up being as valuable as Ovechkin, but the odds on that are REALLY long. Ovechkin was already playing professional hockey at 17 years old. He posted 9 goals and 13 points in 6 games at the World Juniors, and then followed that up with 6 goals and 7 points in 6 games at the World Championships.

        Yakupov posted 0 goals and 9 points in 6 games, while Grigorenko had 2 goals and 5 points in 6 games.

        I’m not saying that my trade proposal isn’t HUGELY risky. But banking on Tinordi or whoever is drafted this season becoming stars in the NHL is also risky.

        Banking on a top-3 pick becoming the next Alexander Ovechkin is pretty much the longest odds you are going to find.

        • Rad says:

          You say that my argument about Ovechkin breaking his leg could easily be applied to Pacioretty, Tinordi, the top 3 draft choice coming back, plus “the additional draft pick” that you say will be required to get the deal done. Well, that’s exactly the point: any ONE of those breaking a leg would still leave you with THREE other players who can still play the game, i.e. it is NOT putting your eggs in one basket. You are not negating my argument, but supporting it.

          As for Ovechkin putting up better numbers than Yakupov and others in the 2012 WJC, it’s a different era and different circumstances, different venue, and different teammates. All you can say for sure is that Ovechkin had better numbers in his junior days. That does not mean that this year’s crop cannot turn out to be as good or better than Ovechkin in the pros. Also, Grigorenko was injured going into the WJC this year and played limited minutes. So comparing his numbers to Ovechkin’s is not a useful exercise.

          Nor am I suggesting that “Tinordi or whoever is drafted this season” will become a star. I don’t know that, and neither do you. The point is, the sum total of Pacioretty, Tinordi, top 3 draft pick, and “another draft pick to get the deal done” is way too much for any one player. Giving up the youth, the future, the pipeline, for one player is unwise.

    • Stuck_in_To. says:

      There is only one problem with Ovie and that is in his head. That is obviously my armchair opinion but if I am right that is a very risky problem in a player of his risk/reward level. I believe if this guy could channel his lust for life into redefining himself on the ice he will return to the rarefied height of hockey superstardom. Would I bet my farm on him doing it, no thanks.

    • marlboro says:

      Wonderful read! Well done Chris!

      I would do it. Top 5 Hockey player in the world! He would love the attention here.

    • Bripro says:

      Chris, wow that is quite exhaustive!
      I’ll put my torch down, and try my abbreviated version of a response.
      I won’t argue any of your valid points.
      There’s no questioning his pedigree.

      But I think his problems go beyond all that.
      For one, I think he’s hurt. He’s certainly not the hitting machine he used to be, and more often than not (in the games I’ve seen him play – aside from against the Habs), he no longer charges long the boards to chase the puck but rather tries to step around.
      You have to figure that sooner or later, all that slamming is going to play a toll on his body.

      Also, you spoke of Kovalev. I think he suffers from the same convoluted mental aspect. He’s either euphoric, or down in the dumps.
      ADD you say? Maybe.

      Is he marketable in Montreal? Absolutely…probably like no other hockey bed in the world. But this could become an additional distraction.

      He has a problem with authority. It seems to be his way only. That’s not a team-based approach or philosophy. And it might irritate the rest of the team and upset team chemistry.

      His contract – We haven’t had that type of franchise player in decades, but can the team afford it? I doubt it.
      If they were to buy out Gomez’ contract, then maybe. But Geoff Molson, as part of a highly successful family, will think of the bottom line first, and buying out a contract is still a financial obligation (burden) that he may might not want to absorb.

      Can he still play at that level, and for how long? That, IMO, is the key question.

      And with that, let’s turn up the heat again!

    • HardHabits says:

      Anything that involves this year’s 1st draft pick is a non-starter.

  5. Bill says:

    It’s so pathetic that when movies are made about hockey, they’re about fighting. It’s like making a baseball movie and focussing on spitting or jock-itch.

    Way to turn the NHL into a credible professional league, Bettman.

    Full Breezer 4 Life

    • Mattyleg says:

      It’s a self-perpetuating myth.
      Last night, caught the third period of Tor-SJ, and the Laffs came out flying at the beginning of the third, really giving it to SJ, who were back on their heels, Brown got in a dumb pointless fight with Vandermeer, and some time after that the Buds scored.

      On TSN this morning, they show the fight, the Laffs tapping their sticks, and say “It seemed to fire up the Leafs, who scored soon after.”

      Bullspit!! They would’ve scored without the stupid fight that nobody won!! But there’s this idea that fights do something positive. The Loafs were doing well enough without it, but no, the goal is credited to a moustachioed bruiser losing some much-needed brain cells.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • bleedhabs81 says:

        I don’t think you can say the fight didn’t impact the goal… I mean, who is to say a goal would have been scored if the play was not stopped to witness the fight….

  6. shiram says:

    Markov is skating in practice with the team, in a no contact jersey.
    Improvement!
    Darche not practicing.
    Lines at practice :
    Pacioretty-Desharnais-Cole
    Eller-Plekanec-Kostitsyn
    Bourque-Gomez-White
    Palushaj-Nokelainen-Leblanc

    • Bripro says:

      He’s telling Arpon that his goal is to play before the end of the season.
      Maybe September
      Maybe by Christmas
      Maybe after Christmas
      Maybe before the All-Star break
      Maybe after the All-Star break
      Maybe before the end of the season
      Well, one thing looks certain.
      He has as good a chance of making this year’s playoffs as do his teammates.

  7. Mattyleg says:

    Saw the interview with AK this morning.
    Man, I like that guy, and I’m sure he’d be willing to take less than his market value to stay here.
    People forget, as was brought up re: Hal Gill, that these players are people with personalities and hopes and fears.

    It was kinda poignant hearing AK say that he doesn’t want to go anywhere else because he loves Montreal, and that he doesn’t want it to be like it was when he first got here, trying to adjust, meeting new people, finding his way around…

    I’m sure this post will have the “Smallest Violin Brigade” out with their instruments, and the “Cry Me A River Gang” pumping up their inflatable raft, but who cares.

    If AK wants to stay, and is willing to take near what he’s making now, then I’d keep him for sure.

    And as for the so-called ‘stats’ that some posters were talking about with reference to AK, I’ve never heard of the ones you speak about, primarily because they don’t exist.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • habs17 says:

      nope my opinion we trade him, i don;t care what he says or talks about, he should let his play do the talking and it hasn,t See ya Later Andrei

      President of the Scott Gomez Fan Club

      (I support Scott Gomez)

      • Mattyleg says:

        I’m actually going to reply to you against my better judgement and against my common practice.

        1) If you took the time to use capitals and proper punctuation in your posts, it would probably give you enough time to reconsider the wisdom of your opinions. Try it out.

        2) AK and Gomer are besties, don’t you know? As President of his Fan Club, the last thing you’d want is a morose, weeping shadow of a #11 making his End-of-Year address at your AGM, don’t you think?

        3) Give me concrete examples of how his play hasn’t been up to scratch.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • kholdstare says:

          Do you honestly think he is a good player? Or do you just think there isnt much better? I like him but I think we should move on and try and get something while he still has some worth.
          You can find a stat to support anything, as proven by Scott Gomez.

          • Mattyleg says:

            I think he’s good, and that there aren’t any players out there that would be an acceptable replacement for him.

            If we trade him, nearly any player we’d get for him would be a downgrade.

            Plus, he wants to stay a Hab, and that’s also a HUGE plus in his favour, for me.

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • shiram says:

      I too like AK, the upcoming available free agents make him worth more to the Habs as well, as there are not many to replace what he can bring to a team.
      He can be frustrating, and he has some defensive brain farts though.

      I guess a deal for 3.5 over 3 years or something would not be too bad.

      • Mattyleg says:

        Yeah, exactly. We get rid of him, and there’s nobody to replace him.
        He’s 4th on the team in hits, second in forwards.

        Who are we going to pick up from the UFA market?

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • shiram says:

          That’s a fair assesment Matty, but his play has not been up to snuff lately either.
          It’s easy to blame Gomez for this, and that’s why I do it, but AK needs to work hard to get back in the top 6 on his own too….. Which according to practice line he has done, but mostly because of injuries.

          • Bripro says:

            I would argue that every team has an enigma or two who just aren’t showing up.
            Look at Washington, or worse, Columbus, hence the departure of Carter.
            You’re both right that if we trade AK, who do you replace him with at a modest price that will put up respectable numbers.
            He just has to get hot again.
            When he’s on, he’s a machine!

    • Kooch7800 says:

      With the signing of Ruutu and the weak UFA year he could go to the market and bring in close to 5 mill a season. It will be interesting to see how much of a pay cut he is willing to take

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    • The Cat says:

      Maybe it was a plea, maybe it just happened that sentence was what he learned the night before in his ‘Learning English for Dummies’ and its all a big coincidence *crickets chirping*…Seriously, from his tone, he seems to fear moving, new challenges…He didnt look very manly.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

      • shiram says:

        He’s been said to be a shy and introvert guy, and he clearly did not seem to enjoy having to speak to so many reporters.

        • The Cat says:

          Yes. I was amazed when Gomez said AK was like a fun guy and that Price was the best goalie in the world. Im starting to think Gomez was messing with the peoples heads.

          [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

          • shiram says:

            I think you are missing the point.
            AK is most likely shy and an introvert, it certainly seems so from interviews.
            But he feels at home in MTL, he feels secure here and he likes the people around him, maybe he has opened up a bit here.
            I’m an introvert as well, I rather keep to myself, but when with people I’m always cracking jokes and entertaining, it’s a ways to defuse any situation, and AK just might be like that, and if so I can see why he would be well liked.

      • Mattyleg says:

        He’s apparently pretty shy.
        And he appeared to be speaking honestly.

        Maybe he should’ve been doing one-handed pushups or whistling at passing women while loading his pickup truck? Manly stuff, y’know?

        Yeah, that would’ve been better than speaking from the heart.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

  8. Ian Cobb says:

    Side bar Poll—About us acquiring the big O. The most stupid contract signed in the history of the league. Washington could never win a cup the day they put most of there cap into one player. This is a team sport, you cannot win a thing with just 2 or 3 stars on the team. Look at the Gomez contract, not as bad but nearly!

    You can’t blame the players, I blame the owners and management for how contracts are so discussting.

  9. Ian Cobb says:

    It’s been all progression downward my friend. I watch every game and always squirm in my chair with every play. But I also know that I could ice a team of players that we have donated around the league the past few years, that would beat the product left in Montreal.
    Gerald!
    It all starts and stops from the top. Until we get that part of our club corrected, I will continue to watch an inferior product. Where is Metro, Moore, Wiz, Hammer, MAB, Lapierre, Ryder, Higgins. Riberio, I could go on and on with kids we lacked patience with that were moved out as well. Very poor coaching and management my friend.

  10. habs17 says:

    Real_ESPNLeBrun: From the excellent Jackets beat writer RT @Aportzline: Both Montreal and Tampa Bay have sniffed around regarding #CBJ C Derick Brassard mmm? he’s on the blue jackets he must suck, but hey, so do we

    President of the Scott Gomez Fan Club

    (I support Scott Gomez)

  11. boing007 says:

    The best PK in the NHL. You should consider that fact when you add all the pluses and minuses of Price as a top flight goaltender. What would his stats be like if we were last in the PK?

    Richard R

    • savethepuck says:

      Having a hard time figuring out what you are trying to say here. Are you bashing or praising Carey in your statement? If you are bashing Carey, you do know that most experts think we have the best PK in the league because of him right?

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

    • Mutt says:

      Or what would the PK look like without a great goalie?

      • boing007 says:

        What would the goalie look like without a great PK. All of you people overrate CP. He lets in soft goals every other game. The other night he tried to clear the puck through the middle, realized his blunder, probably freaked out, then let in an easy goal. Game over. If Halak was still here there are certainly games that we lost that we would have won. In the playoff mix. Just Price, not.

        As well, I’m sure we could have made a better arrangement to acquire Eller other than trading away a solid goaltender. Big blunder. Buss.
        Richard R

        • savethepuck says:

          Carey has close to 55 starts and has not been pulled a single game this year, How many games has Jaro been pulled? Probably close to 5 games, and how many games did he get pulled in the 2010 playoffs that everyone conveniently forgets on here. They just remember the games he stole and calculate that into “he’s the only reason we got past Washington and Pittsburgh.” There were at least 4 or 5 games in those playoffs that the Habs outplayed their opposition, but their goalie stunk. The guy gave us a few good months and now he’s gone. Get over it.

          “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
          Carey Price

        • Lawrencetown Liquor Pigs says:

          He’d fall in the corner trying to play the puck, then make a miraculous sprawling save to get back in the play, only to give up an enormous rebound right to the opposing player. A lot, if I remember correctly, of his playoff run involved dumping the puck after enormous rebounds, or me yelling at the tv to get back in his net.

          The playoff run had more to do with luck, Hal Gill, Josh Gorges and Mike Cammaleri scoring as it did with Halak. Didn’t any of these Halak praisers watch the games?
          ___________________________________
          Lost a bottle of Kraken during this debacle of a season. Better gettem next year.

  12. HabinBurlington says:

    Interesting read, Quincey (recently of Colorado, now Detroit) says many players want out of Colorado.

    http://www.kuklaskorner.com/index.php/tmr/comments/dater_versus_quincey_versus_the_avs_versus_quincey_versus_dater/

  13. Old Bald Bird says:

    Carbo Question: A few posters have advocated recycling him. Is he still coaching his junior team, and are they having any success? If he’s not actively coaching and succeeding, I don’t want him back. I might not anyway …

    • shiram says:

      He is not coaching anymore.

    • Strummer says:

      He’s a TV star. Who has time for coaching?

      ______________________________________________________
      “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”
      -Dennis Miller

    • Bripro says:

      He was coaching Chicoutimi last year.
      When he coached the Habs, he had a an average .590 winning percentage. The team finished first in 07-08 with 104 points and the number 1 PP in the league, and second the following year, until BG’s ego stepped in.
      He chose Kirk Muller as his assistant.
      He’s bilingual, and knows his hockey.
      I’ve been pulling for him all year.
      If they chose not to keep RC, he would be my candidate.

  14. HabFanSince72 says:

    This seems like a good day to address one of my pet peeves, the H I/O meme that the Habs are hampered by the “coach must speak French” rule.

    The main premise seems to be that there is a guy out there, a genius, a Napoleon of the rink, a fellow who coaches hockey the way Leonard Bernstein conducted the New York Phil, who could improve our team – except we can’t hire him ’cause he doesn’t speak French.

    First, that has never been the argument from the people who think the coach has to speak French. If – say – Mike Babcock was hired – I guarantee even Rejean Tremblay shuts his mouth (at least until the first losing streak).

    The real issue is this: who is this Michelangelo of coaching that is currently unemployed and who is the clear best man for the job?

    Here are the unemployed NHL coaches who have won a Stanley Cup:

    - Jacques Lemaire
    - Larry Robinson
    - Randy Carlyle
    - Bob Hartley
    - Marc Crawford
    - Mike Keenan
    - Jacques Perron
    - John Muckler
    - Terry Crisp

    Most of those guys speak French, and the ones that don’t are really not coming back to coaching. The only possible exception is Randy Carlyle.

    The point is that this mythical hero of yours doesn’t exist, and if you’re going to hire Randy Cunnyworth, well why not hire Clement Jodoin.

    It is difficult to argue that a team that has essentially severed its links to Quebec hockey over the last 15 years (and went straight to the bottom doing it – not that that is necessarily the cause) is suffering from excessive Francophilia. Don’t forget that the “French Rule” has been broken this year. With the results that everyone can see (read the headline).


    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • Ali says:

      You wouldn’t take Carlyle? He got the best out of guys like Perry, Getzlaf on offense and still played well defensively and protected his goalie. And he likes some grit on his 4th line. Would love him here even if he may be too “boring” for some.

      I agree with you otherwise, the selection available coaches with experience isn’t that great currently. I think it hampers us currently more in the search for our next GM (hopefully)

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      I guess the key is not to hire a guy just because he is French speaking. Would JM have been hired otherwise, do you think? It’s just that when you make language the threshold, you automatically disqualify a whole slew of candidates. You can’t even consider them and interview them. I think they have to at least widen the field to those who would be willing to make an effort to learn the language.

      • Bripro says:

        The problem with that is not impressing the french media.
        I don’t want to generalize, but when you have separatists like Alain Chantelois and Bertrand Raymond harping linguistic issues all the time, sooner or later, some of if drips down to the average fan, where rumours are founded.
        As Vinnie Damphousse said (which you’ve reflected), you have to go with the best candidate, regardless of linguistic issues.
        But this same media will sink their teeth into what they perceive as a french-language cold shoulder, and the hysteria will start all over again.
        In the dressing room, this will mean the extremists will turn it into an issue again, frustrating the players who can’t say anything, which will in turn translate into sub-par performances.
        I agree with you. Unfortunately, the extremists don’t.

      • boing007 says:

        Would this candidate have to sign a document promising to learn French? How about a security check as well?

        Richard R

    • Mattyleg says:

      Yep, I agree.

      (Jean Perron, btw)

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Hallelujah! This whole best qualified candidate thing is rarely that clear cut, as anyone who has ever done any recruiting and hiring (and inevitably, subsequent firing) knows.

      If during our coaching search there is one candidate who is head and shoulders above all others, both in his resume, past performance, and in the interview, but doesn’t speak passable French, we might have a problem if we didn’t hire this gentleman.

      In fact, what will happen is that various candidates will have varying strengths and weaknesses. Some will be highly accomplished but maybe a poor fit, some might have lots of energy and fresh ideas but little pro experience, some might have a resume and list of accomplishments as long as your arm but fare miserably during the interview, calling into question whether they are the right fit at all for the position.

      Taking all this into account, a decision will be made. Last time, the team went with an experienced coach, a real pro, who might not set the world on fire with his passion and ideas, and hadn’t taken his team all the way in the NHL, but had been around the block a couple of times and wouldn’t bomb. They could have instead hired a young gun out of junior who was long on passion but short on experience.

      In either case, the fact that both spoke French turned out to not be an issue or critical factor. In this round of recruiting, the Canadiens will have no problem drawing up a list of highly qualified candidates and coming up with a short list who mostly speak some French. And there won’t be an obvious Herb Brooks who is left on the sidelines because eh doesn’t speak French.

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  15. JayK-47 says:

    Wow. Went on capgeek to check out LA after I read a bleacher report tweet on the trade. They have like 8 goals from the LW but are stacked at C and RW.

    With Gionta and Moen out, LL ready to take that 3rd LW spot, I think we have a winner of a trade brewing where the Habs still get to draft high.

    Deep 6 Gomez and sign Suter (Sarich, Jackman) and I’m already looking forward to next seasons W column.

    [EDIT] Kaberle has to go too. Any sucker will do, he was basically a FA signing. Campoli will get a pink slip and a thank you note.

  16. HabsFan82 says:

    trade the deadwood and build within -we’re not as bad as our record indicates. lot of good young players in the system go with them – we need a couple of scores for the 4th line and stick with our young D-men coming up. unless you can get a real winning deal other team players are not the answer. we’ve tried that. and for the exception of Cole so far it’s gotten us 15th place.

  17. Captain aHab says:

    In a totally off-topic subject, avoid Banque Nationale Assurances at all costs…or pray that you never have to make a claim. If you think Gomez sucks, then you don’t really know what to suck means. Holy Incompetence Batman!

    —————-
    McGuire for GM!
    Roy for Coach!
    Sh*t for Brains!

  18. petefleet says:

    “2006–07 4th, Northeast Did not qualify
    2007–08 1st, Northeast Lost in Conference Semifinals, 1–4 (Flyers)
    2008–09 2nd, Northeast Lost in Conference Quarterfinals, 0–4 (Bruins)
    2009–10 4th, Northeast Lost in Conference Finals, 1–4 (Flyers)
    2010–11 2nd, Northeast Lost in Conference Quarterfinals, 3–4 (Bruins)
    2011–12 Dead last right now……..”

    This is why I say we shouldn’t fire everyone and trade everyone else. Today’s NHL is wide open. The Habs are not that far away. This team is a couple of players away from being in the playoffs and being a contender. Haters will disagree but they would have disagreed 5yrs ago as well.
    IMO, I would replace RC but only because he has been set up to fail. I would give PG 2 more yrs. I would trade for a big strong centre for the spot that DD doesn’t work his way into. It could end up being #1 or #2. I like DD. I would trade Kaberle, Campoli and Weber from the back end and Moen, Gionta and Gomez up front. Supposing that these trades work out and the injury bug is stamped out, you have a bonafide contender next year. Dun.

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    RGM
    ***Habs Forever***

  19. icemachine says:

    Assuming they get Nail I don’t think they should put him on the top line ( The 2 & 1/2 men) except maybe in a PP situation. Third line with maybe Bourque & Pleks, keep him at about 15 minutes for the first 30 games or so to see how he develops in the NHL to start

    Its time to switch to whiskey, we’ve been drinkin’ beer all night

    • krob1000 says:

      They have about as much chance of getting Nail as they do of making the playoffs…

      • Vladdy Mondavi says:

        Perhaps… with CBJ’s luck with drafting Russian prospects, there’s still a (slim) chance they don’t pick him…

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        • krob1000 says:

          Most scouts have said in this draft there is yakupov, a second group of about 5 or 6 and then everyone else. The top 2 forwards available are Russian and the next best prospect (depending on who you listen to) is Dumba…a dman…and they just snagged Jack Johnson to anchor their bleuline. Unelss they pulled off a trade and traded down for some reason they are getting a Russian…and there is nothing wrong with that…the Habs best player when healthy is Russian, the league leader is Russian, the best all round player in the game (with Sid out) IMo is Datsyuk. I don’t like the knock some of the Russians get because of Yashin and Radulov.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        I think our chance of getting Nail is about 25%.

        Our chance of making the playoffs? Not quite as high.


        Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

        • krob1000 says:

          25 percent? is the lottery that weighted? There is no way we “catch” CLB in the standings…they just unloaded Carter , Vermette and have made it pretty clear to Nash he is expendable (although I wouldn’t be surprised if they change their tune on that with the picks they have acquired)

          • icemachine says:

            It’s actually a 14.2% chance for the 3rd worst team

            Its time to switch to whiskey, we’ve been drinkin’ beer all night

  20. arcosenate says:

    Dustin Brown is available, affordable, and maybe Kostitsyn might be something LA might be interested in. I would like to see that happen. Make it so.

    I am also glad to hear that Moen is unavailable. After all, he’s exactly what we need, why get rid of him?

  21. Mike D says:

    So happy PG didn’t trade for Carter. In addition to what we would have had to give up to get him, we would also be stuck with that brutal contract on a player who’s character is at least questionable. I really have no idea if he’s a party boy or an ego-maniac or not, but SOMETHING is/was up with him for Holmgren to sign him to that crazy long contract and then trade him away so quickly.

    Carter is a good player, no doubt. His stats, except for this year, are really impressive and he still has youth on his side. He’s the type of guy who should be a lock for 30+ goals with 40 or more not being out of the question. He’s a true #1 center and can play wing effectively to boot. But to all those who were pining for him, go back say 5 years ago and have a look at some the players who were in that same category that Carter is in today, and look where they are now. Off the top of my head…..

    Dany Heatley, Chris Drury, Scott Gomez, Wade Redden, Martin Havlat, Sergei Samsonov, Maxim Afinogenov, Mike Cammalleri, Dustin Penner, Sheldon Souray, Olli Jokinen, Alex Tanguay, Jay Bouwmeester, JP Dumount, Jonathon Cheechoo, Simon Gagne, Alex Semin to name a few. All these guys’ careers have taken nose-dives since then, or are at least in strong decline. Most were between 25 and 30 years of age at that time, just like Carter is 27 today.

    Then there’s players who have been up and down since then. These guys have bounced back after a few rough seasons, but are players who people thought would CONSISTENTLY be long-standing pillars atop the points race. Guys like:

    Danny Briere, Thomas Vanek, Marian Gaborik, Vinny Lecavalier, to name a few.

    Basically, my point is that no matter how good a player is….or seems, how promising they look, or how good they have been over their still-young careers, any one of them could see their play and production take a sharp turn for the worse. If that happens, the last thing a team needs is to be stuck with them and their cap hit for another 5,6,7,8 years or more.

    Many of us gripe about Gomez and Kaberle and how they are preventing our team from progressing because we’re “stuck” with them. We complain about how their salaries prevent us from fitting better players under our cap. Valid points. However, both of their contracts expire in two years after this one, and Kaberle has only been on the team for about a month or so. Imagine if one or both of these guys were signed for another 5 or 6 years instead of 2?!?!?! That is the reality that teams like Tampa, NYI, NYR, LA, NJ might be facing in the near future. Technically the Isles are already there with DiPietro and Yashin.

    That’s why it’s NEVER a good idea to sign a player, any player regardless of how good, for more than 5-7 years, even if it appears to be at a discount. Hopefully the Habs won’t make that mistake, or if they do, the player(s) careers continue to be productive. Say more Sedin-like than Drury-like. It’s actually amazing how much shorter the list is of players who were very good 5 years ago and are still good today compared to the list of players who have fallen from grace.

    Good luck LA – you’re gonna need it!

    - Honestly yours

    • Vladdy Mondavi says:

      I second your sentiments, Mike D.

      Great post. I could not gather the energy to write such a solid argument. Kudos to you, good sir.

      That’s why I voted ‘No’ for the Ovie poll question. We’d probably give up too much for him and his contract is too lengthy – who knows what his compete/skill level will be in 3 years? 5 years? 8 years?
      _______________________________
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  22. shiram says:

    I’d like Ovie on the Habs, I guess his kind of talent has been missing in MTL for a while now, but it does not seem like a sure-fire upgrade to me.
    And what the Habs would need to send back to aquire him would most likely mean a no go from me.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      I can’t see the Caps considering a trade that doesn’t involve PK Subban.


      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

      • shiram says:

        Yeah, and I’d rather keep problem child Subban +whatever else would be needed to get problem child Ovie…

      • boing007 says:

        The LA Kings got Carter for Jack Johnson and a first round pick. That’s all. I was surprised that was all it took.

        Richard R

        • krob1000 says:

          I thought they overpaid all things considered (contract, good draft year, Jack Johnson is signed long term at reasonable rate nad a good dman is more difficult to find then a forward,etc)….if not for the Richards connection in LA and the desperate mode they are in I doubt they make that trade. Howson did well to recoup his losses in signing Carter and came out ahead for CLB IMO.

    • aj says:

      @ shiram:

      I was hoping you would say “I’d like Radulov on the Habs”.

      Whatever the case, it depends if whether Alexander the Great wants to play here or not.

  23. Old Bald Bird says:

    We get excited about tanking and getting draft pics, and some expect the picks to pay dividends next year. However, that’s just not realistic. Not only do almost all draft picks take time to adjust, but Montreal is almost always cautious with their picks. They do a lot of sitting, and when they play they tend to go onto the lower lines. I can’t see this organization just giving the kids top minutes on top lines and letting them develop while the team loses although I think maybe they should accept the situation and let it happen.

    Let’s say, they nail Nail. Do you think this team would put him on a top line and leave him there? Would you want him sitting a lot and playing low minutes on low lines? I am assuming here that they would keep him up and not send him to junior.

    • shiram says:

      I agree top 5 first round pick is great, but it does not mean immediate help. Few players are ready for the NHL at around 18-19 years of age.

    • HardHabits says:

      I think the best young prospects should start their professional careers in the AHL (or KHL like Emelin). If for example Beaulieu, Tinordi, Gallagher, and Bournival really dominate at that level, bring them up late in the season and only in time for the play-offs.

      IMO:

      Price should have started the year in Hamilton after his Calder Cup win.
      Eller should have been sent to Hamilton after the Habs acquired him.
      Pacioretty would have been worse off if he was kept up on the parent club rather than do more time in Hamilton.
      Latendresse was rushed.
      PK Subban could have used more time in the AHL.

      It is a lack of depth on one hand and that the Habs have too much money tied up in over-priced and end of shelf life veterans that forces the Habs to not be patient enough with the development process.

      That and the accepted money making condition of needing to make the play-offs every year, even if it means as a last seed.

      • Ian Cobb says:

        HH–Forwards should spend at least 2 years in the A. And defencemen should spend 3 to 4 years developing.

      • Kooch7800 says:

        There are always exceptions to the rule but I agree. Eller should have been another year in the AHL last year playing 1st line minutes instead of playing 10 minutes in the NHL. Look at the difference it made with Max P.

        I agree about Subban. He can play at the NHL level but still makes a ton of rookie mistakes. Defense is the hardest position to make the jump up other than goaltending.

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  24. Captain aHab says:

    The nice thing about drafting after Columbus is that they can’t draft worth a damn so whoever they take will be a bust other teams will be able to stay away from. They’re like the canary in the NHL draft coalmine.

    —————-
    McGuire for GM!
    Roy for Coach!
    Sh*t for Brains!

    • HabinBurlington says:

      You bring up a good point, perhaps to solidify that Columbus could bring Doug Maclean back in the fold as a consultant just for the draft to ensure they make a stupid pick.

  25. Ian Cobb says:

    Buffalo—–59, points—25th place.
    NYI———-58,———–26th.
    Carolina—-58,———–27th. X Bottom 4 are in the 1st draft draw.
    Montreal—58,———–28th. X
    Edmonton-54,———–29th. X
    Columbus-43,———–30th. X

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Ian I don’t blame you for stopping, but cant help but notice you are no longer providing the weekly updates on where we sit goals scored, yielded, etc…. :)

      Have a good day my friend.

      • Ian Cobb says:

        It’s been all progression downward my friend. I watch every game and always squirm in my chair with every play. But I also know that I could ice a team of players that we have donated around the league the past few years, that would beat the product left in Montreal.

        It all starts and stops from the top. Until we get that part of our club corrected, I will continue to watch an inferior product. Where is Metro, Moore, Wiz, Hammer, MAB, Lapierre, Ryder, Higgins. Riberio, I could go on and on with kids we lacked patience with that were moved out as well. Very poor coaching and management my friend.

  26. Wow. Terrible, terrible trade. Even if Carter scores 46 goals again, which he won’t, he’s got a terrible attitude and a Rick DiPietro contract, except — staggeringly — with an even bigger cap hit. It says here that Scott bloody Gomez has a better chance of repeating his 33-goal season than Carter does of repeating his own personal best.

    Jack Johnson on the other hand may still become a perennial Norris candidate, and to throw in a 1st-rounder is absolutely bonkers. For that kind of return you’d think L.A. could have at least gotten Nash instead of Carter.

    Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

  27. 24 Cups says:

    Lots of coaches have been fired this year but you have to wonder if some GMs might walk the plank once the season is over.

    Greg Sherman, George McPhee, Dean Lombardi, Scott Howson and Mr. Gauthier would be at the top of my list.

    • Ian Cobb says:

      Steve! I agree Gauthier is gone, but where are we going to find a top, experienced GM in Quebec? Unless we recycle some of the old guard that the new game has passed them by.

      Molson will have to shop west of Quebec, because most quality management from Quebec is already under contract outside of the province. I still say we go to Europe!

  28. punkster says:

    How do Ward, Damphousse and Hrudey get classified as experts? Because they’re ex players employed as media analysts? In this regard a better and more experienced trio to ask would be Cherry, Milbury and McGuire. Not that I have a shred more confidence or respect in their opinions either, mind you.

    ***Subbang Baby!!!***

    • 24 Cups says:

      Out of that trio I would say that Damphousse is the biggest joke.

      HI/O posters love to hate McGuire but he knows a lot more about hockey (and has more contacts) than any of those other five names you listed. He may come across as being over the top on TV (but not on radio or print) but at least he knows his stuff.

      • punkster says:

        Let me suggest my own highly regarded experts from HI/O who could give us just as reasonable and well researched opinions:

        First, the guy who runs around here claiming to be the President of the Gomez Fan Club. He’s got true grit.
        Second, the Bruins fan who always creates a new account to troll us whenever the Habs and Bruins meet. He exhibits tenacity.
        Third, I’m leaving this seat open for the most delusional armchair GM wingnut on here this morning (because there happens to be a few milling about right now and the competition is getting fierce).

        I’m also recommending we assign a Chairperson to run this panel and who better than…Timo.

        Now, tell me these guys couldn’t do a better job.

        ***Subbang Baby!!!***

      • HardHabits says:

        I completely disagree. Damphousse is no joke. Possibly one of the most articulate and intelligent ex-Hab player I have yet to listen speak. And I like pretty much everything he has to say.

  29. habs17 says:

    is this the worst hab’s team in history, its the worst i have ever seen in my 16 years. FAIL FOR NAIL

    President of the Scott Gomez Fan Club

    (I support Scott Gomez)

  30. habs17 says:

    we should start budaij tonight

    President of the Scott Gomez Fan Club

    (I support Scott Gomez)

  31. Habsman1970 says:

    Look at just how inconstant we are from 5 years back to now….
    2006–07 4th, Northeast Did not qualify
    2007–08 1st, Northeast Lost in Conference Semifinals, 1–4 (Flyers)
    2008–09 2nd, Northeast Lost in Conference Quarterfinals, 0–4 (Bruins)
    2009–10 4th, Northeast Lost in Conference Finals, 1–4 (Flyers)
    2010–11 2nd, Northeast Lost in Conference Quarterfinals, 3–4 (Bruins)
    2011–12 Dead last right now……..

    ONCE A HAB, FOREVER A HAB!!!

  32. Bob_Sacamano says:

    @AliHaba: I completely agree with you, The constant misspelling of some simple names like Gorges, Weber, Emelin or Tinordi is ridiculous. And no, these are usually no mistakes but pure laziness. You don´t know how to write a name? You´re on the damn internet ffs, it doesn´t even take 10 seconds to look it up…

  33. Les Canayens says:

    I squint my eyes seeing Winnipeg at the top of Southeast. The only consolation is the Habs score one less goal than them in total, but we have a 167 goals against vs 178 for the Jets.

    If those goals in blowout games we won can be translated into those 1 goal games we lost, this would be a very different season.

    Now I just want to see AK, Eller, Leblanc play without pressure and entertain us with their offensive skills!

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  34. HardHabits says:

    Anybody up for a round of HIO Line Combos™?

  35. HabinBurlington says:

    Well it is nice to see that most everyone here has brought their Playoff Intensity to the HI/O open forum.

  36. munch17 says:

    I think we’re a pretty good last place team – if we could stay last and get Markov and Giunta back we’d be ok especially with a high draft pick.
    we need to see what our young players can do now – give Eller and Leblanc some ice time with good linemates.
    And play Markov as soon as he is ready – we have to see this year if he is able to return – I don’t want to find out in October that he should be ok for Christmas. And if he comes back and his knee can’t take it – well let’s know before the summer.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I have this weird feeling the Spelling Patrol is going to be in contact with you soon regarding Giunta (Gionta). Please prepare accordingly, maybe even edit it. :)

      • Bob_Sacamano says:

        There´s a big difference between making a simple mistake (like here) or constantly being too lazy to get some names right.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          I know Bob, was trying to be lighthearted about it. It frustrates me at times also to see names spelled incorrectly over and over. I just don’t think people have to jump down their throats is all.

          • twilighthours says:

            I think the throat-jumping happens pretty rarely, really, considering how atrocious the spelling/grammar on here is.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            You are probably correct, but none of us know anything about various posters, they could be posting here in their 2nd or perhaps 3rd language. Everyone should do their best to spell names properly and speak as clearly as possible. But some people may be trying, and there is no reason for those to be attacked.

          • HardHabits says:

            I still think Georges and Webber are the Habs best young defence men.

    • third generation haber says:

      “a pretty good last place team” that’s a strange, but accurate way of putting it. If we were the same as Edmonton or Columbus we wouldn’t have a 10 point (need to check that) lead on them.

      As for the other east conf. teams in the bottom half, they all have a huge 20-30 negative goal differentials, we don’t. We lose, but we don’t get blown-out.

      What i’m saying is, we need to re-tool, not tare this thing apart. If we could manage one more goal per game (more offense!!!) we could have a much better record.

      Plus, with our highest draft pick in the past 30 years (need to check that), we could potentially land a guy who walks straight into the nhl.

      j.p. murray

  37. boing007 says:

    Here is a youtube link to a rock group from AK’s country of origin, B2:
    Ugly guys, lovely ladies.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbKa3dSwDZM&feature=ymg
    Richard R

  38. JIMVINNY says:

    I hate it when I can only see the good HIO fights from my phone. Sigh….

  39. HabsFanMTL says:

    dream on if u think markov will ever be back 100% , that knee is as fragile as bambi is on skates…….i truely believe his career is over, he won’t be able to take knee on knee check or fall into the boards or anything…….adios mr markov

  40. TomNickle says:

    HabSync.

    You infantile troll. READ THIS CAREFULLY.

    You’ve said Carey Price is average and that Brian Gionta’s career is over. You formed this opinion based on Carey Price’s save percentage, shootout record and goals against average this season and Brian Gionta’s injury and age.

    My reply to you was that Carey Price has a shootout save percentage of .727 and that the Habs shooters score 1 out of every 4 tries. Price gives up one goal per shootout. Not average, not below average.

    Price has a .913 save percentage and 2.3ish goals against average. So he stops more than 9 out of every 10 shots and gives up less than 2.5 goals per game and does it with a heavier workload than 27 of the NHL’s other starting goaltenders.

    And oh yeah, that’s just during one season where two of the defensemen in front of him are in their first NHL season, one was on the verge of retirement. The others are Tomas Kaberle, Chris Campoli. And then you have Subban and Gorges.

    He essentially has three capable defensive defensemen in front of him in Subban, Gorges and Emelin.

    You also pointed to the Habs having the league’s best penalty kill as a reason his stats should be better. Had you considered for a moment that it is the league’s best penalty kill due in large part to Price himself? No you hadn’t. Because you’re on a crusade to kick this team while it’s down with insane conjecture and idiotic premises for your unfounded opinions.

    You’ve said to anyone who’s disagreed with you that they’re saying the team isn’t in last place and more recently that they’ve said the Habs won the Stanley Cup last year.

    Nobody put words in your mouth to suit their opinions but you have a habit of doing that to people to suit yours.

    Go take a long walk off of a short pier.

    • Captain aHab says:

      The gauntlet has been thrown down. I’m gonna go with: “He won’t be convinced by this”.

      —————-
      McGuire for GM!
      Roy for Coach!
      Sh*t for Brains!

    • Ali says:

      So you’re saying we should’ve kept Halak? its not quite clear where you stand….

    • CanadienBoy says:

      Way to go well say ,just to think for fun what Price could get on this market right now this weekend with so many teams looking for a top goalie would be a statement how well regard he actually is by others teams Wake up Habs fan

    • Mattyleg says:

      Don’t bother with statistics or factual arguments.
      I’ve been trying to inform people here that AK is a quality player, and the stats back me up, but people will just see AK in the post and say “He’s a floater who disappears for months on end,” without bothering with what I’ve actually said.

      Haters gonna hate, dude. I’ve got used to ignoring them, but it’s hard sometimes. They’re good at finding that nerve and poking it. Trouble is that the haters repeat themselves ad nauseum.
      Poke…poke…poke…poke…

      They just want to make sure everyone is having as bad a time as they are!

      :D

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • twilighthours says:

        Did you include the ‘stats’ re: turnovers, and good events/bad events? Those these advanced ‘stats’ people are using.

        AK is not a quality player. You can use whatever data you want to try and make that argument. He could be, I suppose, but he’s not. In the end, that’s what matters.

    • DorvalTony says:

      Yeah that’s intelligent and mature. Compare this year’s Price with last year’s. Or 2010 Halak. Or this year’s Halak. Or any of the top 20 goalies in the league. Compare Price’s 5 years, how many playoff rounds has he gone? How many times does he let pies in? And how many times does he give up a goal within *seconds* of the Canadiens scoring? He’s not top 10 and he’s not earning his money. Disappointing. He’s capable of much better than this, face it. Wasted potential so far.

      “Okay everybody take a Valium.” – Rene Levesque

      • twilighthours says:

        Do you have some data to indicate the number of times he lets in a goal “seconds” after MTL has scored? Do you know how many “pies” he lets in compared to other goaltenders?

    • bleedhabs81 says:

      Don’t forget the Emelin learning curve at the start of the season when you evaluate the quality of Price’s defense this year

  41. Captain aHab says:

    The Habs and Caps are so bad right now that it wouldn’t surprise me that the game ends 1-0 on a goal in one team’s own net. Or maybe the game will be a draw after everyone passes out from boredom.

    —————-
    McGuire for GM!
    Roy for Coach!
    Sh*t for Brains!

  42. 123456 says:

    Is it just me or did the Kings win that trade? Maybe I do not give J Johnson enough credit.

    Habs in last – no surprise they have played like a last place team in a lot of their games .

    If (IF IF IF) Markov comes back at 100% next season the Habs will have a solid top 4 rotation and we all know 5,6,7 are interchangeable.

    Up front dumping Gnomer will free up the funds to acquire another good forward the wing the second line with Pleks and Gionta.

    My biggest concern is getting that 6th top forward who can actually score an dplay defense AND getting a real 4th line as opposed to under performing “top” forwards who get demoted to the fourth line.

    • TomNickle says:

      Jack Johnson for Jeff Carter alone is a win for the BlueJackets. The first round pick is gravy.

      Having said that. Voracek and a 1st for Carter was idiotic. But maybe this makes up for it.

    • Talik Sanis says:

      I believe you’re giving Johnson the precise amount of credit he deserves. Though he plays against second-tier competition, when he’s on the ice, opponents direct more shots towards his team’s goal than when any other regular defenceman is on the ice.

      He has also managed, playing relatively protected minutes, to be one of the players in the league with the worst career plus minus, and was a terrible minus on the Kings this year, despite the fact that they concede so few goals. He has the worst GA/60min on his team, both short handed and even strength.

      Perhaps it’s something of an exaggeration, but I’d liken him to a young Thomas Kaberle. Johnson is offensively talented, but overpaid for a man who cannot play defence.

  43. nickster13 says:

    So apparently Dustin Brown is now on the market. at a 3.175 million cap hit, he would be a good player to have. If i were Gauthier, I would trade Moen for Brown, as it would give them cap room and a grinder, and it would give us a solid piece that can score goals, hit and provide leadership, aka a better version of Kostitsyn as he puts up about the same numbers but with more intangiables. This of course makes Kostitsyn expendable and we can ship him off for a draft pick, evening up our cap situation and putting us in a better position going forward.

    • third generation haber says:

      Brown is apparently on the market due to cap issues. I’d make the trade too, but Moen is injured and would also be a cap hit. I’m guessing they want prospects and draft picks for him.

      j.p. murray

    • Ali says:

      all we need now is for you to hypnotize Lombardi so that he would agree to make that trade.

      • Captain aHab says:

        If we’re going for hypnosis, can you tell Lombardi they would need to throw in Kopitar to sweeten the deal?

        —————-
        McGuire for GM!
        Roy for Coach!
        Sh*t for Brains!

    • Mattyleg says:

      I would love to have Dustin Brown in La Flannelle, but what you’re suggesting is comparable to AK for Burrows, or Gomez for Bergeron.

      Moen and Brown aren’t in the same class.

      If we want Brown, we’d have to pay for him, and pay big.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • ont fan says:

      Brown has 2 yrs left on his contract..don’t think you’ll get him for a UFA

    • CanadienBoy says:

      Dreger think Brown to Habs for AK , Weber and a pick sure would like that deal

      • toinz says:

        Dreger said a secondary scorer and a quality young d-man.

        I don’t think Weber qualifies as a quality young d-man, but I think Dreger might just be outright speculating.

        LA traded Johnson because they have a slew of young defensemen in their system: Hickey, Martinez, Voynov, Forbert.

        Also, LA is not in cap trouble. Johnson vs Carter is a 1 million dollar cap difference. The team is spending over 4 million on Penner, 3.6 million on Jarrett Stoll, and 3.5 million on Willie Mitchell.

        If they trade Brown, it is because they do not want him anymore, or they dont want to remove the C to give it to Richards or Doughty because it would be awkward…

      • Kooch7800 says:

        I would make that trade. With the loss of a D man they need someone and Weber is low cost and has a boomer. AK is pretty comparable in offense and is a UFA.

        Brown over AK is an upgrade in my opinion

        “Like Canadian Hip hop..check us out http://www.groovecontrolmusic.com

      • DorvalTony says:

        Dreger also said Molson loved PG’s work especially of late and was giving him a 6 year extension with a raise.

        “Okay everybody take a Valium.” – Rene Levesque

    • Kooch7800 says:

      It would take a lot more than Moen to get Brown. He is a power forward who is currently the Captain in LA. I would trade AK and Moen for Brown in a heart beat but Brown has two years left on his contract so I don’t think the UFA’s would cut it. Would probably need to toss in a 2nd round draft pick with one of the above two for him. There is a lot of teams that would be tossing ideas at LA so it will be interesting to see what happens

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  44. HabsFanMTL says:

    i wouldn’t want Gill teaching Tinordi anything, He’ll probably tell him how to play soft and not punish opposing playings too much and its much easier to use your stick to poke check and how to fall down in front of the net instead of checking players out of our crease

  45. third generation haber says:

    About our defence….

    I believe Gorges, Emmelin, and Subban should join Markov next year, while Webber should become our #7 dman.

    Diaz (yes, he’s very likeable but so is winning) is simply too soft for NHL hockey. He’s smart and skilled, but simply sprawls in-front of attackers who approach our net. While blocking shots is admirable, d-men need to step-up and challenge forwards physically. He offers them a free pass to the slot every time, and they have no problem shooting over him. HE ONLY PLAYS THE PUCK!!!!

    He needs to put-on muscle and play in the AHL next year where he can learn the N. American game, and QB the PP.

    This would leave 2 spots open for Nash and/or free agents with size, sense, and physicality to give our back-end the back-bone that it sorrowfully needs.

    No, Tinnordi will not be ready for the NHL yet. D-men take more time to mature.

    So, I believe we need two solid, dependable D-men for next season. who should we target??

    Looking forward to hearing your comments^^

    j.p. murray

    • TomNickle says:

      Brad Stuart or Barret Jackman and Ryan Suter.

    • ABHabsfan says:

      Mathieu Carle from Philly would be good IMO. Carkner or John Scott (chi) would be good in-fills. Freddy St.Denis should be given a good chance

      • third generation haber says:

        I also like St. Denis, but Webber has big potential offensive upside, so I’d like to give him one more chance to crack our D. His slow start was shameful this year!

        j.p. murray

    • AliHaba says:

      Emmelin should be Emelin
      Webber should be Weber
      Tinnordi should be Tinordi
      If you can’t properly spell the names of the players you talk about how do you expect us to give you any credibility?

      • third generation haber says:

        Was looking for discussion not credibility.
        But u are absolutley right, if i don’t pay attention to the spelling of their names I know nothing about hockey.

        j.p. murray

        • AliHaba says:

          Well you certainly know little about the Habs.

          • third generation haber says:

            Enlighten me! What does our Defence need???

            j.p. murray

          • timel says:

            You sound like a f***ing moron. The guy isn’t writing for the New York Times buddy.
            Last I checked discussion boards were not intended for people to gain credibility, they are there so people can have light enjoyable conversation about their interests.
            If you really have nothing better to do than to lay it to someone who didn’t spell a couple of names right, then I truly feel sorry for you

      • pmaraw says:

        simple mistake really, relax, dont get your panties in a knot. it’s probably cause hes used to seeing all the double letters in the players names, like in Subban or Prrice.

        • AliHaba says:

          LOL, I guess so.
          He wants my opinion on what is needed. Well it’s all conjecture really. I could say we need Lidstrom, Chara, Karlsson and Keith but I’m sure that’s not what he’s looking for.
          IMHO, next season we’ll start off with Markov, Subban, Gorges, and Emelin as our top 4. The rest will be a mishmash of Kaberle (geez), Diaz, maybe Weber, possibly Nash. I liked St. Denis when he was up but not convinced he’s a viable option. From what I’ve seen the only junior with a chance is Beaulieu (hoping for Tinordi though).

      • AndyF says:

        Cammmmalllleri should be Cammalleri. :-)

        Fail to Fail for Nail

    • Phil C says:

      Suter would be awesome, but he will be expensive and highly sought after.

      Dennis Wideman would be another option because he is a right-handed shot, so he would be a good match with Emelin or Gorges in the top four. He is logging big minutes in Washington this year and he can move the puck and play the PP. He is not the best in his own end and he lacks ideal size, but matched with Emelin or Gorges, he would be a good fit. The Habs would have Subban/Markov, Wideman/Emelin in their top four, so that would be great for moving the puck while Subban and Emelin can play physically.

      If the Habs wanted to take a chance, Cam Barker has been a healthy scratch in Edmonton lately, coming back from an ankle injury. He has been a disappointment in Minnesota and Edmonton, but he is only 25 and has the skills and size to be much better. He has a hard shot from the point for the power play which the Habs need as well. He is an RFA next year, so he would not be expensive for salary, but the Habs would have to give up something to get him.

  46. GAME DAY GAME DAY GAME DAY

    Finally!

    LETS GO CANADIENS!

    CAREY CAREY CAREY

    10/10 FOR 10

    I’m all out of love, I’m so lost without you, I know you were right believing for so long, I’m all out of words, this song is so wrong, I can’t even lie, believing in losing, what da!

    Gonna Win this one!

    :lol: Another PVR game, little man is playing his second last game of the regular season.

    Man oh Man I wish we didn’t have this stock pile of defensemen. I really want our Ryan Pulock to be a Hab. His draft year is 2013.

    God Bless Our Infantry

    They Call Me Shane

  47. HabinBurlington says:

    Unrelated to hockey, but Ryan Braun won his appeal for failing drug test. I guess MLB just didn’t want their MVP to appear guilty….

    • TomNickle says:

      At first I thought the same thing. And then remembered that Bud Selig runs MLB and that it’s much more likely that the testing, rules and procedures were very likely handled by someone with a severe lack of competence.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        I think that is the technicality that he received the overturned decision. Apparantly the abnormality in his test required the specimen sample being fedexed same day for more testing (loose translation) and this was not followed through. MLB is reacting as if this was a wrong decision, but I can’t help but be skeptical of anything related to Bud Selig.

  48. zak says:

    Should the habs resign Gill as a player/coach with the idea of him eventually going behind the bench as the D-coach. Carrier moves back upstairs

    Hire the best regardless of language

  49. mrhabby says:

    i cannot remember last time i saw the habs in last place. iam very sure as Geoff Molson drinks his coffee this morning he must be severly pissed. iam looking forward to the summer with the changes that will come about. not a fun time to be a canadiens fan but it can only get better..remaining optimistic.

    • AndyF says:

      Why would Geoff Molson be pissed? The only real dead-zone is to finish between 17th and 24th or so. That’s where the real losers hang out.

      Imagine having a beer and watching the Habs draft 2nd next summer? And not only that. They might be drafting 32nd, 39th, 62nd, 70th, 92nd, 105th, 122nd, 152nd, 182nd, and 190th, too! Wouldn’t that be terrific?!

      With a little more coverage on Montreal TV, the Bulldogs would be a treat to watch. Certainly more interesting than watching the Sens or the Blue Jays.

      Fail for Nail

  50. New says:

    DD and PK playing with a bit of an edge in practice? Maybe two guys who don’t like losing or being pushed around. I like it.

    I sure like reading about the Carter trade and seeing the word “sulked” over and over again. You wanna know something? That isn’t a reflection of Carter. It is a reflection of the organization’s ability to motivate and engage players.

  51. RGM says:

    Hopefully Gomez has a hat trick tonight that ups his trade value to the positive column (i.e. we no longer have to give away an asset for a bag of pucks) and we find a taker.

    ———————–
    GO HABS GO! 2011-12 is probably not our year!
    “Scott Gomez is an elite NHL player” – VancouverHab

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  52. smiler2729 says:

    3 games against the Anderson-less Senators!
    Won’t matter…

  53. habsnyc says:

    There are four major reasons why Montreal fell to last place this season. Carey Price reverted to the mean. The team did not effectively replace its power play defenseman or its third line center in the offseason. Due to injuries and poor planning, the team lacked a full roster of players to begin the season. Finally, and for our purposes most importantly, the free agent tail sank the ship.

    In order to induce free agents to come to Montreal, Gainey gave free agents a tail. Which is to say, if they could be effective for two years, he signed them for three years. He got them to come by agreeing to pay them well beyond their shelf life as top line players. Similarly he traded for players whose shelf life would expire during their contract. This season, Montreal lived through the tail with injury plagued, declining free agents. It was the Gainey legacy of folly.

    Why this matters is that PG has done the same thing with Cole, Kaberle and now Bourque. These players will not be effective at the end of their contracts. Just like the team plays an ineffective Gomez, for no reason, this season. The franchise is doomed to repeat this folly. The franchise is going to be a mess until free agents get short term contracts and draft picks get long term contracts.

    Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

    • TomNickle says:

      First of all. Price is seen nearly if not absolutely unanimously by team executives, coaches, players and media as a top five NHL goalie.

      Second. Your opinion about the free agents that have been signed is dead wrong. You think Gionta’s career is over? He was injured. And keep in mind that when the free agent boom happened here nearly three years ago the team got significantly younger.

      The reality is that you can’t sign good players to short term deals. But judging by your opinion, reality wasn’t much of a consideration.

      • JimBob says:

        I wish Gionta’s career in Montreal was over. I can’t believe that useless midget is supposed to be captain of the scabs…Another unmovable contract weighing the team down…

        • TomNickle says:

          Seven straight 20 goal seasons and four with more than 25 goals.

          Yep, completely useless.

        • habsnyc says:

          oh i keep forgetting, montreal is in first place as they defend the cup they won last year.

          gionta is a one way player coming off a huge injury who turns 34 next season. he will not get more than 12 goals next year.

          Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

          • TomNickle says:

            Who’s saying they won the Cup?

            Nobody. Why do you have to put words into people’s mouths? Stand on your opinion. Not the opinion of others.

            I’m wasting my time having conversation with you. Not worth it. Smell ya later.

      • habsnyc says:

        The reality is that this team is in last place due to a plethora of on going poor decisions. The reality is that the majority of readers on this site vastly over rate this franchise. The reality is that it takes clubbing most readers on this site with facts in order for them to see the reality of being in last place.

        Price is seen by Gainey as great. The same Gainey that saw Gomez as great. Look at the stats. Price has an average save percentage and an average GAA. Price sees fewer shots than the average NHL goalie per game. Look at that stat. Price has the top PK unit in front of him. Look at Price’s stats in the shootout. Bottom five in save percentage. He reverted to the mean.

        Gionta is done. He is 100% done as a top line forward. He is too old. Look at the age curves. Give me a fact as to why Gionta is not done. Give me a fact as to why Price is great.

        What people think and what the facts tell you are the distinction between thinking this team should have been in first place and it actually being in last place.

        As far as free agents, you can sign them to long term contracts when the first few years of those contracts help your team contend. You do not sign them to help rebuild. If you sign a guy for five years and you spend three of them rebuilding, he will be a boat anchor when the team starts to improve.

        Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

        • TomNickle says:

          Of the goaltenders who have played more than Price. Which is three. Only one of them has a better save percentage and goals against average than him. That goalie is Pekka Rinne.

          He’s given up 13 goals against 32 tries in shootouts this season. The team in front of him has scored 9 times on 39 shots.

          So his team scores one out of every four tries. What goalie is going to be successful in shootouts with his team scoring once out of every four tries? His save percentage is .727 in shootouts.

          And again, Pekka Rinne is the only goalie seeing a similar amount of work who you can say has truly been better.

          Gionta had 8 goals in 30 games this year. Looks like it would have been another 20 goal season to me. He had five points in our seven game playoff series last April.

          Show me one team who signs their core players in their late twenties to 2 year contracts. Just one team. And then we’ll come to an agreement that it can be done.

          • habsnyc says:

            There are 30 starting goaltenders in the NHL, not four. You want to say that Price of the five over used goalies in the, Price is in the top four. Sure, why not.

            Plenty of teams sign their players in their MID 20′s to long term contracts so that they expire in their early 30′s. The good teams do not have the problem, because they are proactive. There is a big difference between signing a player to a long term deal because you expect to win now, or hope to win later.

            Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

          • TomNickle says:

            Exactly. They sign them to long term contracts like Plekanec, Markov, Gionta and Cammalleri.

            They don’t sign them to 2 year deals like you suggested.

            You want to get on me for explaining that Price is used more than most goalies in the league? Well guess what buttercup, it matters. I love how you completely ignore the shootouts after it was a core of your argument that he was average. And then you actually saw a stat that supports him being among the league’s best in that gimmick area of the game.

            You’ve wound yourself up in a big ball of confused lunacy and now you’re contradicting yourself.

            I think we’re done here.

          • habsnyc says:

            show me how the team is not in last place. you keep thinking this is somehow a good team.

            Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

        • New says:

          Hockey is about more than stats. When the Habs go on the PK they play their positions and try and let Price see the shot. No goalie can stop boint blank shots he can’t see. When not on the PK the team is disorganized and some players are out of position habitually. Gomez is one. They call it lack of puck sense. They make it hard on any goalie to keep them in there. Because of that there is a lot of crease action. Price gets pushed farther and farther back to survive. Because he is game trained to play there the shootouts become difficult as he tends to stay in the blue. Having players who fail at the shootout doesn’t help.

          Regardless the difference is in scoring. The forwards consistently play on the perimeter. As if they were practicing the PK not practicing the powerplay. Gionta is not my favorite player but you have to give the guy credit, he brings it. The team sits on leads. Although JM will deny it his game was always to get a quick lead and sit on it. You can’t untrain players overnight. Because they do not play a well rounded game the team is exactly where they should be, at the bottom. The talent is fine. The focus is wrong.

          • TomNickle says:

            You won’t convince people of the truth when they live and die by a few months instead of a large body of work.

            The stats themselves support that Carey Price is elite in shootouts.

            Giving up an average of one goal per shootout.

    • JayK-47 says:

      I disagree. I think a lot has to do with JM’s early season ‘wacky’ coaching, the lack of a true PP shooter with Markov’s knee and Gionta’s bicep tear.

      Maybe if a few more breakaway goals were potted and 1/2 of those posts bounced in instead of OUT…

      I’m glad JM’s gone. Bourque is twice the player Cammy is, and hopefully Markov can play the whole of next season. And if not him, then Beaulieu or Ellis.

      • habsnyc says:

        JM was wacky, but he was made wacky by all the issues I cited. He did not have an NHL ready roster to start the season. He had no defensive center. He had no powerplay qb and his top players were old.

        Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

    • Benoitr says:

      You wouldn’t get any free agents if you only signed them to short term contracts. Free agents want security, why would they come to Montreal or anywhere else without security. Montreal is not am attractive place for free agents anyway.

      • TomNickle says:

        Recent player poll had Montreal in the top 5 most desirable places to play.

      • habsnyc says:

        No. You sign free agents when the good years help you win the Cup and their tail is of no consequence. You do not sign free agents at the start of a rebuild.

        Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

        • TomNickle says:

          Tell that to the Blackhawks who signed Patrick Sharp after acquiring him from Philadelphia. Toews and Kane were still children when that happened. Didn’t they sign Marian Hossa too? And Brian Campbell? And John Madden? And Cristobal Huet?

          No it’s never a good idea to sign good hockey players. Terrible idea.

          • habsnyc says:

            I don’t need to tell that to the Hawks, they did well. I need to tell it to the last place team that sucks.

            But your Hawks example exactly proves my point. They loaded up on talent – long term – only when they were close to winning the cup. They won the cup and now look at the consequences. They have huge salary cap flaws which prevent them from dominating.

            Madden was short term. They got Sharp when he was 24. His contract expires at age 32. Campbell, was a mistake, the whole league knows it. Huet was a mistake. He had to be loaned to Fribourg.

            Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

          • TomNickle says:

            Signing those players and trading for others got them to the Cup.

    • pmaraw says:

      personally i see cole as more of a brind’amour then as a gomez in the twilight of his career. maybe they should hire you to put stickers with dates on them as players join the team. When is Price’s shelf life up? how about Subban’s?

    • NCRhabsfan says:

      Dumbest theory ever! Tail? Where did you dig that one up? How does itapply to Markov? Gionta? And how on earth are you applying it to Cole and Bourque. I think your theory calls for a team entirely composed of rookies and sophmores. What is particularly odious about this theory is that is all gloom and doom. It dwells, indeed revels,in the negative. Get a pill.

      This is a (mostly) young team with a very good core of young players, more on the way, anchored by a terrific goaltender. They had some bad luck with injuries, were a bit too small and had a couple players underperform. Nothing a couple of trades and a one way bus ticket to Hamilton won’t fix.

      • habsnyc says:

        The goaltender is average. The team is in last place. Gionta is done. He is too old and the injury will affect his shot speed for the rest of his career. Markov is not a roster player.

        Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

        • TomNickle says:

          You think Price is average and you apparently know that Gionta is done.

          You are without a doubt the least sensible person I’ve read here in quite some time.

          I guess the NHL players who voted Price among the top 5 most difficult goalies to score on don’t know what they’re talking about. Hey, they just play the game for a living.

          • habsnyc says:

            It is not what I think. It is what it is. Gionta is done. 34 year old scorers do not come back from this injury. Price’s stats are his stats. You can believe what you want. But go find me a team that had an elite goaltender that finished in last place.

            Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

          • habsnyc says:

            BTW, in a debate, it customary that the winner is the one who does not resort to insults or name calling to prove their point.

            Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

          • TomNickle says:

            The Florida Panthers for years when Roberto Luongo was in his prime.

  54. habbernack says:

    There’s an article by kamal pederson on AK’s value @ http://www.powerscoutinghockey.com

    ability is what you’re capable of doing.
    attitude determines how you do it

  55. Ozmodiar says:

    Not sure if this one’s been suggested before, but since PG and Polie have a trade history, i propose:

    To Nashville:
    Kostitsyn, Weber, Ellis, Bourque

    To Montreal:
    Kostitsyn, Weber, Ellis, Bourque

  56. 24 Cups says:

    The Habs are in last place. No amount of rationalization will dispel the hurt and humiliation of that sad state of affairs.

    This morning I am reminded of a short story by Edgar Allan Poe. In the tale, a man recounts how he survived a shipwreck and a whirlpool. It is really a story within a story, a tale told at the summit of a mountain climb in Norway. The story is told by an old man who reveals that he only appears old. “You suppose me a very old man,” he says, “but I am not. It took less than a single day to change these hairs from a jetty black to white, to weaken my limbs and to unstring my nerves.” The narrator is then told the story of the old man’s descent into the Maelstrom as his ship was hopelessly caught in the vortex of the whirlpool. His brother died by clinging to the ‘safety’ of the ship, while the old man survived by taking his chances in the perilous, uncharted waters.

    And so it is for all us Hab fans, as our own (Mr?) Nemo captains the ship into the unknown.

  57. HabinBurlington says:

    So watching TSN this morning, the editorial hacks there did the usual spin doctoring on PK. They spoke of PK being involved in a skirmish with DD and no sooner do they show the video (which has nothing incriminating to show) and they immediately splice back to the Plex/PK altercation and begin talking of how he has been involved in other altercations with teammates.

  58. Thomas Le Fan says:

    Wow! Winnipeg vaults from ninth to third overnight! How do we get in that division? ;)

  59. JayK-47 says:

    With Carter moving for Johnson and a 1st, does that make Nash available for a similar price?

    And with Ruutu and now possibly Hemsky getting locked up, how valuable is Kostitsyn?

    Come to think of it, CBJs need a 1st line center now don’t they?

    Pleks, AK and a defensive prospect for Nash. Ok, a 2nd rounder too.

    [EDIT] AK for a 1st. Then that 1st, Pleks and a D prospect for Nash.

    • TomNickle says:

      They have Derrick Brassard and Ryan Johansen. So they don’t have an immediate number one but within eighteen months they’ll have two number two centremen at the very least.

    • mrhabby says:

      strong rumour out of the west is Nash to San Jose. Nash has a close relationship with Joe Thornton. They also share the same agent have played together over years at various levels. would not be surprised to see this happen or the rangers.

    • habsnyc says:

      Nash has an NTC. He does not want to go from the last place team in the West to the last place team in the East. So you could offer anything in the world for him and you will not get him. And, while entirely moot, your trade proposal is nonsensical because AK is worthless as a rental to a non playoff team.

      Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I mentioned yesterday, AK provides nothing of value to Columbus. His UFA status is completely opposite of what they are looking for. They only want younger talented players with years of controlled contract remaining. Why if you are Columbus would you want AK presently?

    • 24 Cups says:

      I seriously doubt that Montreal would ever be on Nash’s list of teams that he would accept in a trade situation.

      The team has four days left to be sellers, that’s the main focus of the season right now.

  60. ogilthorpe says:

    As Shania would say….”up..up…up.. There’s only one way from here!!!!!”

  61. Thought you guys might find this funny: Wrong Sweater

  62. joshua94k says:

    This morning the Habs are 7 points out of a play-off spot. If they win the next 3 games this month, they are in a good position for a play-off spot. With 15 games in March it is still a wide open race. The Leafs are crumbling, the Jets are not strong, The Caps are doomed and the Senators are due for another slump.

    Never dismiss the Habs. This is a team that most gave them a 10% chance to beat Washington in the 2010 play-offs.

    While the fan base has given up on them, this team believes in themselves.

    Go Habs go

    P.S. Andrei Markov will be playing in March.

    • …and the ‘Going-down-with-the-ship’ award goes too…

      just kidding, Keep hope alive!

      http://www.puckbandits.com

    • 24 Cups says:

      joshua – I don’t mean to correct you but the Habs are 8 points out of a playoff spot (Florida) and 9 points behind Winnipeg, the only other team they can catch. Seeing that Ottawa has a 14 point edge, there is really only one playoff spot open for Montreal and that will be the loser of the Southeast division or Toronto.

      It’s over.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMc263klrMQ

      • RGM says:

        3 games against the Senators in a 10-day span.

        ———————–
        GO HABS GO! 2011-12 is probably not our year!
        “Scott Gomez is an elite NHL player” – VancouverHab

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        • 24 Cups says:

          RGM – Even if Montreal wins all three they would still be 8 points back of Ottawa. That’s the same scenario as Florida/Winnipeg.

          The hill’s too steep to climb.

    • TomNickle says:

      I disagree about the Jets. I think they are strong. They lack star power but have a lot of depth.

      I’m not a Claude Noel fan because I don’t feel they’ve changed. But with the way they play at home they’re going to be hard to knock out of a playoff spot now that they can taste it.

      Washington is coming unravelled, Florida has some serious holes that the smoke in mirrors can’t cover up forever. Ottawa is in big trouble with Craig Anderson out and Toronto would be better off with Schenn in net than Gustavsson or Reimer. So yes the East is wide open. But this team isn’t going to be a factor in the playoffs even if they make it.

      • 24 Cups says:

        Disagree about what? I never sai anything about them. All I said was that Montreal can only catch the team that doesn’t qualify for the Southeast title. Right now that would be either Florida or Winnipeg (although Washington is still in the hunt as well).

        Put your reading glasses on, Tom!

    • HardHabits says:

      The average points total needed to make the play-offs since they awarded the mandatory loser point in OT games is 92. Only one season have teams made it in with less than 90 points. Usually 91 is rock bottom.

      The Habs would need to go on a 17-4 tear just to have a chance.

      The only thing they are playing for right now is personal pride and hopefully just to enjoy the remaining games.

      Stop looking at how many points they are out. They are minimum 7 wins with no losses away just to be close. And for that to happen every team above them would have to lose 7 games straight with no wins.

      When was the last time the Habs went 17-4 in 21 games?

    • habsnyc says:

      If Montreal was any good they would have made up those points 30, 40 or 50 games ago. Remember how they were only one or two points out of a spot after 20 games and could not win one in a row to be in eighth place.

      Montreal has not improved over the last 30 games. Toronto and Washington have detiorated. All this means is that, as bad as Torotno is, Montreal is still worse.

      Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

    • JF says:

      I like your optimism, but it runs counter to everything we’ve seen so far this season. All the Habs have needed all season to get back into the hunt is a good solid winning streak. They have been utterly incapable of putting together such a streak. Two good games are followed by three bad ones, a win by two losses. two wins by three losses… and so on. The Leafs may be crumbling, the Senators may start losing without Anderson, but we won’t be in the race to catch them. We’ve fallen too far and we are not good enough. I think Winnipeg will hang onto a playoff spot. They play most of their next few on home ice, where they are very good, so they can solidify their position before hitting the road again.

  63. Chuck says:

    The great thing about being at the bottom is that you only have to focus on one direction: up.

    And hey, you can’t go from ‘worst to first’ without first having the view from down here!

  64. Sharks9 says:

    Why do people yell about how we need to tank and then are upset when we’re actually in last? I don’t get our fanbase.

    25 before 14

  65. HardHabits says:

    Looking at the play-off picture thinking who could be interested in AK46. In the East I would guess New Jersey and in the West Vancouver. I basing these assumptions on what I think would be a good fit for AK. I think he and Kovalchuck could be way dangerous. Ditto for him playing with the Sedins.

    • TomNickle says:

      Gill being moved was the beginning of the Tank.

      I will not use this without your expressed written consent.

      ;)

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        I don’t know. I think Gill is no longer a very useful player. Remember they had to dress a 7th defenceman so he didn’t have to play more than 6 minutes even strength. And when he was on the ice the other team would spend all their time in our zone.

        The stats (I know bear with me) support this. He was the worst on the team in terms of Corsi rating despite playing against the weakest opposition. He is no longer the guy you send out against the team’s top line – quite the opposite.

        And despite his facing the easiest opposition, the Habs gave up a whopping 25% more goals when he was on the ice than when he was off (even strength only).


        Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

        • TomNickle says:

          2nd best penalty killing defenseman on the team with the best penalty kill in the league. Arguably more effective than Gorges on the penalty kill.

          You take your best(arguably) penalty killer and trade him away and insert Weber.

          I know Gill is on his last legs but Weber is certainly no upgrade defensively and certainly not an upgrade on the penalty kill.

          On top of that, Gill was a guy that other players didn’t want to let down. He’s a teammate that gets more out you because you don’t want to disappoint him.

      • HardHabits says:

        My apologies for changing the comment.

        Thanks for answering my question, “Are we Tanking™ yet?”

        • TomNickle says:

          Well to comment on your revised comment. I would say that Kostitsyn could also be a good fit in Detroit, San Jose, Nasvhille and to a lesser extent Chicago.

          Phoenix could be a bit of a sleeper here too.

  66. HabFanSince72 says:

    The Shawinigan Cataractes have taken over top spot in the QMJHL.

    Their leaders are d-man Morgan Ellis and forward Mikael Bournival, both drafted by the Habs.

    Ellis had 4 points last night as the Cats beat their closest rivals St.John.


    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

  67. stevieray says:

    Can’t remember the last time I woke up and read that headline …might go back to bed !
    Last place eh ?…so now what ..? obviously something is wrong ..and moves ..management and/ or players has to be made by Mr Molson..
    having a top draft pick won’t solve our immediate problem but it would be a start..as well as toughing up our defense ..
    Time to hit the woodpile to burn off my aggrevations !! and get ready for the Caps tonite …who are realy a disfuntional lot !!

  68. TommyB says:

    Last place in the east? Wake me when……it’s over

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMLHPnxkOwA&ob=av2n

  69. HabFanSince72 says:

    Matthew 20:16 “The last will be first, and the first will be last.”


    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

  70. secretdragonfly says:

    Mr. Stubbs, I loved your piece on Hal Gill last week and this one is the icing on the cake – what a class guy. We the fans and, to some extent the media, tend to forget these guys are people with families and feelings and it’s nice to be reminded of that every so often.

  71. Newf_Habster says:

    Repost from previous article:

    According to Darren Dreger on his Twitter, the Oilers and Hemsky are talking to have his contract extended for more two years.

    Should it happened, AK46′s trade value will skyrocket again for at least third time. :)

  72. RetroMikey says:

    Canadiens in last place….no surprise, the cracks were shown years ago when BG blew ship on this team and going smaller up front with forwards, signing over the hill DMen, and trusting Price to be our personal saviour, then hiring PG as his mentor.

    Big is better!
    Tank I say! Tank!

    “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

  73. JohnBellyful says:

    Unlike the lame program TSN will air Monday that is certain to be desperate for content, HIO’s Tirade Centre always delivers, day after day. Player performances, team management, trades real and imagined, draft lottery positioning — you name it, HIO serves up opinions, some with greater helpings of fact than others. Passion is never in short supply.
    And the panel numbers in the hundreds, with many of the posting heads looking eerily identical (which makes one wonder: Are they all the same person posting under different names? Except for me, of course).
    However, too much of people saying bad things about the same things, however arresting, can be a bad thing.
    I do hope when I return from the day’s labours I will find more than a few denunciatory posts that depart from the norm in their choice of subject — AK, Gomez, and Gauthier, for example — and instead cast a jaundiced eye in an entirely new direction, say, popcorn vendors at the Bell Centre or the shameless exploitation of children in pre-game ceremonies. If new ground isn’t found to plow or mud to toss, HIO’s Tirade Centre runs the risk of becoming as tired an institution as TSN’s annual embarrassment.


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