Canadiens got tougher late in the season

Montreal Canadiens center Ryan White fights Boston Bruins defenseman Johnny Boychuk during the first period of NHL hockey play in Montreal
Not that it’s done much good.
But Ryan White and Brad Staubitz have injected some truculence into the lineup that will face the Sabres in Buffalo Wednesday night.

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243 Comments

  1. alwayssunny says:

    It`s a big one tonight boys. We are only 3 back of the Leafs. It`s not only about bragging rights, it`s about pride. if we can defy expectations and finish in 14th to their 15th, I think we can all agree that the Leafs suck. It won`t be easy though. Obviously Buffalo are much better than us in all facets of the game, especially goaltending, but anything can happen when we are on a roll. A point here, 2 there, we can still climb a few spots in the standings. That would be great.

    As for this revenge stuff, I`m of two minds about it. Sure this Myers kid knjocked out the player that Bob and Pierre have built this team around. But on the other hand you hve to stick with your personality and since the lockout we are a team that runs away from that stuff. I was stunned when Bob and Pierre caved in to the opinion of 99.9 percent of people who watch hockey and disagreed with them that our team is tough enough. But I understand their reasoning. So they got us an enforcer who isnt afraid to tangle with opposing middleweights like Chris Neil, even if it means getting his ass handed to him. He reminds me a lot of Ton Kostopoulos, heart of a lion. I bet it`s a verrrry tense Sabers locker room right now.

  2. boing007 says:

    Headline should have been the Canadiens got tougher too late in the season.

    Richard R

  3. FanCritic says:

    I thought That was why a team has a goaltender, Block Shots/ Make
    Saves. if you can’t score at the other end, shot blocking will only save your A– for so long. Habs are living proof.

  4. Timo says:

    They are tough alright. All they need is MAB and they’re set for the cup run next season.

  5. christophor says:

    This extra $500 000 that people keep tacking onto Plekanec’s salary, where did it come from? I’m wondering why 5.5 is cited repeatedly. Seriously people, (1) learn the names of the players belonging to the team you religiously support, and (2) if you must argue about salary, take 45 seconds to check capgeek.

    • LafleurGuy says:

      At 5 mill US (Canadian dollar is above par!), most teams would still find Tomas overpriced. I see him as too valuable to our team to trade. When we win, he’ll be revered like a Rod Brind’amour.

      Faceoff. com also lists salaries. Interesting fact re: Tomas, 3rd round draft pick, 71st overall in 2001, the year we picked Chris Higgins in the 1st round. Eleven years later, and Plekie is the far better player!

      “May you live in interesting times.”

  6. HabFanSince72 says:

    5 of the top 15 teams in blocked shots are in a playoff position. Only one of the 5 is a serious cup contender.

    11 of the bottom 15 in blocked shots are in the playoffs.

    In other words, the better teams block fewer shots.

    Blocked shots are like the firemen. If your house is on fire you want the firemen to come. If you live in a neighborhood where the firemen are always getting called out, you might see that as a bad sign.

    It isn’t that blocking shorts per se is bad, but teams that block a lot of shots tend to be poor. As argued in that article.

    http://www.nhl.com/ice/teamstats.htm?fetchKey=20122ALLSAAAll&sort=blockedShots&viewName=realTimeStats


    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • LafleurGuy says:

      Trends are soft data, but data nonetheless. Just like the goals for and against differential favors better teams, a shots-blocked differential probably favors better teams ’cause it indicates that the puck is in the other team’s end of the rink more of the time.

      “May you live in interesting times.”

    • Bripro says:

      You’re beating a dead horse.

    • Strummer says:

      Good points in your post.
      If you’re blocking a lot of shots it means you’re allowing a lot of shot attempts.
      ergo if the puck was in your possession more often which requires superior offensive capabilities, the shot blocker is obsolete

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    • PersonA says:

      The irony of that article is that Van could do with blocking a few more shots a game as they are 22nd in the league in shots against a game.

    • Malreg says:

      A better statistic would be a shot block percentage. As in, what is the percentage of shots fired towards your net that are blocked.

      Obviously the better teams have the puck more often than not, which results in less shots against, which results in less blocked shots in total.

  7. HabFanSince72 says:

    Radulov just arrived in Nashville.


    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

  8. Willy says:

    Off topic. Tim Tebow to the Jets….may as well just come play in the CFL now. He’s going to get eaten alive by that dysfunctional team in no time.

    • boing007 says:

      It will be a field day all season long with the New York media. Blecch! Why couldn’t he have gone to some quiet part of the country?

      Richard R

    • habfan53 says:

      I’m not a big NFL fan but a 4th and 6th round pick??
      Seems a little low for a starting quaterback that could win even one that can’t pass

      Like the DODGERS “Wait till next year”

      • Willy says:

        It’s cheap but the problem is that everyone knew Denver didn’t want him anymore so they had to take what they could get. It’s like trading Gomez(sort of, excluding salary and popularity) for a 7th round pick. No one would pay more since everyone knows the Habs don’t want him.

  9. PersonA says:

    In response to HF72 b/c i cant reply for some reason.

    Way to selectively choose statistics to support your theories. Your stats aren’t even correct with Detroit at 26th in the league. Interestingly though, Columbus is 25th in the league in blocked shots and the Rangers are 4th. I guess that shows Columbus as one of the most competent teams in the league.

    Blocked shots are of course important at any time. It is not a predictor of a teams ability though. I would say that it works better as an individual stat gauging a player’s willingness and skill at stopping a speeding puck.

    • Bripro says:

      Exactly!
      This is what I answered him….(repost)

      “Ryan McDonagh and Dan Girardi are both in the NHL’s top 10 in blocked shots. I guess the Rangers could offer your perspective an counter-argument that would be hard to disagree with.
      And Niklas Kronwall of the Wings sits 8th.”

      • PersonA says:

        That’s what I mean. It also doesn’t preclude Gorges being a bad defense man.

        In all likelihood, different players operate in different ways with some playing a more cerebral positional game leading to blocked shots versus a pressure style which reduces the shots blocked as they are not in position to do such a thing.

        • Bripro says:

          Gorges was quoted in monday’s Gazette regarding Emelin having bruised ribs from a blocked shot. His body was all wrong, positionally.
          But Gorges was pumped by the fact that the kid wasn’t afraid to sacrifice himself for the good of the team.
          I guess they have a different perspective on what blocking shots represents.

  10. Say Ash says:

    Are these two guys fighting over whose coloured bracelet is better?

  11. Bripro says:

    In case it hasn’t been posted, here’s another perspective on the Habs of this past year, and of next year as well.
    Nothing really new here though.

  12. ed lopaz says:

    re: Eller

    Eller has averaged about 30 SECONDS of power play time per game this season – that is 1 shift.

    The top Habs scorers average more than 3 MINUTES per game – that’s 6 shifts.

    You do the math.

    If Eller was given an extra 5 shifts per game on the power play how many more points would he have this season?

    Plekanec has 25 points even strength, 16 points on the power play averaging 3:08 per game of PP time

    Eller has 21 points even strength, 2 points on the power play averaging 0:34 per game of PP time.

    • habfan53 says:

      I agree with you in regards to Eller. I honestly think he can be the BIG #1 centre everybody is screaming for.
      When he was was Moen and Kostitsyn earlier he made both look better.
      He is coachable, and has become an excellent #2 on the Pk after Pleckanecs.

      Like the DODGERS “Wait till next year”

  13. Bripro says:

    Evgeny Nabokov signed with the Isles for $2.75.
    I would say that Price’s agent’s request for $7MM/yr is now secure.

    • Malreg says:

      Not going to happen.

      He’ll sign for anywhere from 5 to 6 million. A lot of people cite Rinne’s contract, but keep in mind that Rinne was a pending UFA, it is not comparable to Price, who is a pending RFA. UFA’s always get more money.

  14. Hobie Hansen says:

    The Rangers lead the Eastern Conference standings and also lead the National Hockey League with 62 fighting majors. The Boston Bruins, who lead the Northeast Division, are next with 57 and the Philadelphia Flyers have 52.

    Read more: http://www.montrealgazette.com/sports/White+packs+punch/6334121/story.html#ixzz1plyALlyF

    • Danno says:

      Fighting= winning?

      ________________________________________

      “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

    • Bripro says:

      I wonder if Georges Saint Pierre can skate…

    • matt jordan says:

      People who don’t play hockey don’t understand why there is fighting in hockey.

      People who do play hockey understand why there is fighting in hockey. It’s easy to see when you’re actually playing the game. Someone slashes you, you slash them back. “Words” are exchanged. The next play the same guy takes a shot after the whistle. Everything escalates.

      I hate this debate, as it is never ending, but I do think fighting should be limited by harsher penalties, and limits on the number of fights a player can have in a year, like 8-10 fights a year, maximum (In the NHL of course). This would eliminate the thugs/goons and give roster spots to players who have been actually trying to improve their trade in the AHL or other minor leagues.

      My two cents.

      • habfan53 says:

        I have no problem with the reaction fights, it is the staged fights like Monday Night that I have a problem with.

        Like the DODGERS “Wait till next year”

      • sillywalk says:

        It’s amazing that every other pro sport that is physical can manage not to have its players behave like little babies whenever they’re called a name, or that there are even players who feel the need to slash and shove. They’re big, dangerous, retarded bullies who need to be stopped.

    • sane hockey fan says:

      Desharnais himself said that he feels bigger and more confident when White is in the lineup. Georges said he loved the line brawl the other day between NY and NJ.
      Players in the NHL overwhelmingly support keeping fighting in the game.
      These guy actually PLAY THE GAME.

  15. Danno says:

    Flashback to Toe Blake & the Rocket – Looking & Feeling Good.

    Plus $5 off a new suit at Tony the Tailor’s

    http://dennis-kane.com/toe-and-the-rocket-looking-and-feeling-good/comment-page-1/#comment-59543

    ________________________________________

    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  16. Les Canayens says:

    I know it’s interesting all this Roy as coach talks. I for one do not worry about him becoming it, since historically, everything that the media ever speculated NEVER (almost) becomes reality. Except for Burke who can’t keep the lid on him coming to Toronto, I cannot find one single personnel change that was predicted by the media.

    By the time they announce the next coach, it’ll either be RC or someone who was never mentioned anywhere else, just like the last couple of times.

  17. HabFanSince72 says:

    Here is an interesting article that suggests Timmins has, objectively, been the best drafter of the last decade:

    http://www.theprovince.com/sports/entry+draft+more+than+science/6319829/story.html#ixzz1peUkmRy7

    This in spite of consistently mediocre draft positions.

    So what have the Habs done with these great draft picks?

    This is why Gainey and Gauthier have to go.

    They’ve failed spectacularly, and the biggest failing has been an inability to develop players properly. As Ed Lopaz points out below, it continues to this day in the case of Lars Eller.

    That the best drafting, plus a willingness to spend the cap, gets you dead last in the conference after ten years is a sign of colossal incompetence.

    The best drafting in the league gets you a team at this point in the season where half the players are not NHL material.


    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • matt jordan says:

      Like the article, love this post…. it’s exactly what i think as well.

    • Bripro says:

      They keep acknowledging the Red Wings’ success, given their late draft picks over a number of years.
      I have to agree with you Paul.
      Timmins is great at drafting, and deserves to keep the prestigious position, but as long as upper management keep blowing it, if we don’t get a first-rounder, they won’t know how to foster their selection.
      Time for PG to go.

    • Cal says:

      There comes a time when a prospect has to produce. Eller has had precisely 1 amazing night in 2 seasons. He doesn’t pass very much in the offensive zone causing me to think his hockey “vision” isn’t all that great.
      Giving Eller the TOI to “show what he’s got” is to perpetuate the over-rated evaluation Eller has received from many here.

      • HardHabits says:

        Meanwhile St. Louis fans are very satisfied with Halak.

        • 69HABS says:

          As they would with Price if the trade was reversed.

          • HardHabits says:

            Hi DEANDALEY

            Here is some food for though. People say Price would do just as well as Halak. Maybe that is true but the one time they were both on the same team playing an equivalent amount of games Halak’s numbers were far and away superior to Price’s.

            Goalies 2009-10 Montreal Canadiens
            Player Name GP GAA W L T Pct SO
            Jaroslav Halak 45 2.40 26 13 5 0.924 5
            Carey Price 41 2.77 13 20 5 0.912 0

        • Bripro says:

          Given the team structure in front of Halak, that’s a poor argument.

      • Kooch7800 says:

        He still in very young. IMO he should have never been with the big club for the entire season last year. he should have been with the bulldogs developing.

        I think he will be a decent 3rd line centre in the future

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      • krob1000 says:

        I posted this yesterday…also look at the link smeone posted from Eyes on the prize…..Eller is doing just fine

        krob1000 says:
        March 20, 2012 at 9:42 am At age 20 Lars Eller got 18 goals and 39 assists in the AHL in his FIRST year of North American hockey. At age 20 DD played in the qmhl…at age 21 DD played his year in the ECHL at age 22 DD played in 77 games in the AHL and got 24 goals, 34 assists and 58 points, at age 23 he played 60 games and got 27 goals and 51 assists.

        Tomas Plekanec at age 20 played 77 games in the AHl and got 19 goals and 27 assists for 46 points, at age 21 he played 74 games in the ahl and got 23 goals and 43 assists for 66 points, at age 22 he played 80 games again in the AHL and scored 29 goals and got 35 assists…..

        NOW…you tell me that Eller does not project as well as either…he is clearly ahead of both at the same stage of their careers…factor in his size, his work ethic…and we should have what everyone has said all along…a larger version of Tomas Plekanec…and YES…with offensive potential to boot.

      • matt jordan says:

        Eller is 22 years old. He missed all of training camp, and has scored 15 goals this year. He’s still on his entry level contract. Maybe give him a bit more time?

    • habs_54321 says:

      last year when the sens were rebuilding bryan murray essentially saved his job by aquiring 2 1st round picks at trade deadline to go along with the top 10 pick they already had securing the future of the team. pierre gauthier was not able to obtain even one 1st round pick

      • bleedhabs81 says:

        I am neither an advocate or basher, but in all fairness to PG, your comparison and expectations are flawed.

        Murray had something he wanted to trade which had value. PG did not.

        Last I checked, we didn’t have a Mike Fisher that we were willing to part with. Would Pleks have received a first… probably… do we want to trade Pleks? Probably not. Fishy was as good as gone from Ottawa at the end of the year anyway.

        Gill is not worthy of a first
        Neither is AK
        Cammy looked broken
        Gio was hurt
        Gomez couldn’t get us a towel boy
        Kaberle might get us one of the ugly “ice girls”
        Markov was a ???

        That leaves Cole, Pax, DD, Pleks, Price, Subban who may (a big MAY for some of these guys) have warranted a first rounder (might need to package them up with something else).

        Again, not to advocate or bash PG, but the guy can’t force other GMs to overpay for crap (or what is the equivalent of crap for a first rounder).

        • bleedhabs81 says:

          on a side note,

          Mike fisher used to pick on (beat up) my Ex girlfriends brother… so… I am 3 degrees of seperation from Carrie Underwood or as I like to joke (and my wife scowls) 2 degrees of seperation from the man who is doing unspeakable evil to that pretty little thing.

          High Five!

  18. Stev.R says:

    Roy was my favourite player when I was a kid. I think he is a good coach in the QMJHL and I think he will be successful in the NHL, but not now and not with us.

    One of the best things about our team the last few years (despite what the crybabies in the media say) is that the organization has been very discreet about all internal matters. They have been successful at keeping the inside info in, and the outside info out. Basically they’ve cut down on the possible distractions that are inherent when playing in Montreal.

    I fear that Roy will only become another distraction to worry about. We all know that the media will be all over him, and everything he does, and if he loses his temper even slightly on a regular basis, it will be so overblown by the Montreal media that it may be impossible to focus on hockey.

  19. Hobie Hansen says:

    SCORE ONE FOR FIGHTING IN THE NHL – Neil proves scraps can still be game-changers

    JASON YORK, Ottawa Sun

    First posted: Saturday, March 17, 2012 11:31 PM EDT | Updated: Saturday, March 17, 2012 11:54 PM EDT

    I’m no different than most hockey fans: I like a good fight.

    They’re exciting to watch and next to a goal by the home team, nothing gets fans to their feet quicker.

    But I also hate seeing guys get hurt, lose their careers due to concussions and I am not a big fan of fighting in minor hockey.

    During my 13-year NHL career, I never really thought about whether fighting belongs in hockey. Players, shielded by a protective bubble, just worry about playing the games. It’s the people outside that bubble who are occupied with discussing what is right and wrong with the game.

    Now that I’m on the outside of the bubble, one side of me thinks that with all the concussions and nonsense we see in the game, fighting should be removed, especially when we see brawls erupt in novice games and with so much onus now put on protecting the head.

    It’s probably the biggest contradiction in all of pro sports for the NHL to seriously say that it is concerned for its players’ safety and concussions, then turn a blind eye to the most obvious head shot of all, a bare-knuckled punch to the noggin.

    I sometimes think fighting at the pro level has little impact. After a fight, play resumes and often, nothing is changed.

    With or without fighting, fans would still come to games because hockey would still be a great game.

    I don’t expect the NHL to ban fighting — hockey is too emotional a sport for that — but I do expect the league to limit fighting with stiffer penalties and ejections.

    Until that happens, the other side of me was reminded Friday during the Senators’ 2-1 win over the Canadiens that fighting still plays a vital role in the game and that a well-timed emotional scrap can wake up a team from a deep slumber.

    The Senators were going through the motions early, getting badly outplayed by the Montreal Canadiens, until Chris Neil decided to drop the gloves with Brad Staubitz.

    Neil dominated the scrap and from that point on, you could feel the momentum of the game swing toward the Senators.

    I know from experience that Ottawa home games against the rivalsHabs or Leafs are tough, especially if you get down early.

    Sometimes you need a spark, a big hit, a series of good plays or in the case of Thursday’s game, a timely fight to get your team going and wake up the home crowd.

    Neil did just that and demonstrated that fighting can sometimes still play a huge role in the outcome.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      There are people outside the protective bubble of sports who think you shouldn’t hire someone to break your opponent’s leg.

      But in 1994 that is just what Tonya Harding did.

      She hired someone to break Nancy Kerrigan’s leg just before the 1994 U.S. Figure Skating Championships.

      And it worked. Kerrigan couldn’t skate and Harding won the event.

      Sometimes you need a spark, a good performance, or, in the case of the 1994 figure skating championships, a timely injury to your biggest rival.

      Harding did just that and demonstrated that hiring a professional thug to break someone’s leg can sometimes still play a huge role in the outcome.


      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • Mattyleg says:

      Holy Crap, that is such a pile of merde.

      This is typical of hack journalism, in which when a fight is followed by a goal by one of the teams, then the fight has influenced the game.

      When a fight is followed by a long period of nothing, nobody says anything.

      If a player from each team took off their pants and skated around arm in arm, then one of the teams scored a goal afterwards, would that elicit the same response?

      Would that goal have been scored because of that spectacle that raised one team and demoralized another (somehow)?

      I’ve been saaaaved!!
      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • Kooch7800 says:

        Anything that can wake a a team up or be used to rally behind can help sway momentum IMO. In saying that a nice big open ice (clean) hit can have the same effect as a scrap or even a hard grinding shift where you keep the puck in the opponents end for an entire shift.

        Yes, sometimes scraps can help wake up the bench and change momentum but a lot of the time it is just that …a fight.

        I don’t mind scraps in hockey but staged fighting to me is a waste of time. It doesn’t belong in the game. If two guys want to scrap after battling for awhile or a cheap shot then so be it. I also dont’ agree that there should be a fight after every single clean body check…hitting is part of the game. if it is a cheap shot than go for it but a clean hit let it go

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      • RGM says:

        It’s not “journalism,” it’s an opinion piece written by a retired NHL’er.

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  20. LafleurGuy says:

    Late for previous conversation about who else would have traded for Kaberle. Well, trading a soon-to-retire Spacek didn’t cost the team assets. TK is about a million bucks cheaper than Wiz with one less year. And one year ago, Boston gave Toronto Joe Colborne and a pick that turned out to be 18 yr. old Tyler Biggs for Kaberle.
    “May you live in interesting times.”

    • RGM says:

      And Boston is on the record as having regretted the acquisition.

      Had the Habs kept Spacek and let him ride off into the sunset after the season, that too would not be the loss of any assets. It would have left another capable D-man on the roster for this year and not forced the Habs to be over-reliant on the young guys. The Wisniewski situation was borne out of a misadventure on the Markov contract. The Canadiens didn’t get an accurate appraisal of Markov’s rehabilitation, and it cost them dearly as not only did they lose a capable NHL d-man, they also had to turn to scraps such as Campoli and ultimately the execrable Kaberle. Bear in mind that four days before the Kaberle acquisition, the Gazette’s own Dave Stubbs had this glowing review: “If you want to condemn a GM for signing a veteran defenceman to a long-term deal, how about Carolina’s Jim Rutherford, who signed the wretched Tomas Kaberle to a three-year deal? Kaberle was nothing but excess baggage for the Bruins during their Stanley Cup run last spring, and he’s been less than that for Carolina.”

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  21. shiram says:

    Roy has not talked to Molson since his # was retired in 2008.

    http://fr-ca.actualites.yahoo.com/lnh-canadien-roy-d%C3%A9ment-toute-entente-avec-le-161238086–spt.html

    RC : “Merci beaucoup.”

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      I pointed out last week that blocked shots predicts poor performance. Habs and Isles lead the league in blocked shots. Red Wings are last.

      By and large the playoff bound teams block the fewest shots, and the also-rans block the most.

      It’s a measure of incompetence.


      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

      • ed lopaz says:

        the player blocking the shots is doing a terrific service for his team.

        reduces the saves the goalie has to make, eliminates a rebound, and allows his team to recover the loose puck.

        the Habs playoff run 2 seasons ago was a case study in how blocked shots can help a team win a series.

        why the successful teams don’t block more shots is a different case study.

        but no way is blocking shots a measure of incompetence.

        this is why “stats” don’t always tell the whole story.

      • Bripro says:

        Ryan McDonagh and Dan Girardi are both in the NHL’s top 10 in blocked shots. I guess the Rangers could offer your perspective an counter-argument that would be hard to disagree with.
        And Niklas Kronwall of the Wings sits 8th.

      • boing007 says:

        And suspect positional play.

        Richard R

      • Coach K says:

        Hey there HabsFan…I never thought about it before until I read your post but you really have a valuable point there. The fact that they have to block that many shots per game is actually a symptom of the larger disease – the inability to score. It’s a cancer that is slowly but surely killing the patient.

        I wouldn’t be surprised if an analysis of the numbers showed that an increase in blocked shots is directly proportional to to a reduced shot total on the opponent’s goal.

        Your conclusion I think, is bang on. More blocked shots means you are in your defensive zone and obviously don’t have control of the puck. Excessive D-zone time without the puck = increased scoring chances for the opponent. No control of the puck means you can’t generate an attack. This is exactly why this team can’t score.

        Excessive shot blocking is not a good thing. It’s kind of like radiation treatments for cancer patients. Used correctly in measured doses, it can kill the cancer but too much will kill the patient. Hopefully the brain-trust that runs the team soon figures that out.

        “Shut up and play against him” – Bob Gainey (2011 Heritage Classic)

  22. LafleurGuy says:

    What exactly is Travis Moen’s injury? Concussion? Career-threatening?

    “May you live in interesting times.”

  23. smiler2729 says:

    Is Geoff Molson so freakin’ ignorant as to let the French media talking heads dictate who should be coach and/or GM?

    This team is in for a long, hard stretch of bad to mediocre hockey if that’s the case and I swear I’ll jump ship after 40 years, I’m tired of being laughed at in the hockey world – this the Montreal Canadiens, for Pete’s SAKE!

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    • Mattyleg says:

      a) What in God’s name makes you think that Molson is being dictated to?
      b) Who in the hockey world is laughing at you? What is the hockey world? Why would anyone laugh at you? What?
      c) Threatening to stop supporting a team is not a threat.

      I’ve been saaaaved!!
      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • smiler2729 says:

        a) His silence speaks volumes… and his statement that the next coach must speak French.
        2) You don’t hear the hockey media snickering at the Habs’ situation. The hockey world is the part of the planet that gives a crap about The Game.
        and c) Who’s threatening? Buffalo’s closer, CHEAPER and CHEAPER!

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        • Mattyleg says:

          Ohhhhboy.
          a) Silence doesn’t speak volumes. By that rationale, the Queen is a cross-dressing man because she’s never denied it. And Molson never said that. Check it out. Get your facts straight.
          2) People who hear ‘snickering’ from the media probably have deeper insecurity issues that I’m not qualified to comment on. Do these people also worry about the size of their neighbour’s barbeque compared to theirs? I guess I don’t hear the media snickering. Glad about that, too.
          c) If cheapness is important to you, then by all means, you should be supporting Phoenix, or one of the Florida teams. And Buffalo isn’t close to Montreal.

          I’ve been saaaaved!!
          —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

      Who are you planning to cheer for?


      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

      • smiler2729 says:

        Buffalo

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        Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are pukes.

        • RGM says:

          Enjoy cheering them on for the rest of their season, which shapes up to be as long as Montreal’s.

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  24. joeybarrie says:

    Vincent Damphousse for GM?????
    What in god’s name qualifies him to be our GM?
    He is a French Canadien former hockey player?
    NOT ENOUGH.
    People say we need stability but want to bring in different inexperienced people every ten seconds.
    I don’t care what you say about his style, JM did a very good job with what he had to work with. We need experience. Not a hot head who loves drama and wants everything revolved around him.
    I don’t have an answer, but Damphousse and Roy are not it.

  25. habfan53 says:

    If the organization had guts.
    Molson announces that there will be no change in GM’s for next year.
    Gauthier announces that Randy Cunnyworth will be offered a 2 year contract extention and will be enrolling in a “Rosetta Stone French Course” I do not see a better coach available right now
    Cunnyworth says that he has sat down with Plekanecs and discussed the remainder of THIS year. Then announces the line up that he will be going with for the balance of the year.

    MAX-DD-Cole
    Geoffrion-Eller-Leblanc
    Bourque-Pleks-White
    Blunden-Noki-Palujshi

    When (if) Moen comes back with Eller and Leblanc to Plekanecs.

    Pairings
    Markov-Emelin
    Georges- Subban
    Kaberle-Diaz

    “Show me what you have for the next 9 games.”

    Darche, Gomez,Campoli and Weber fill ins

    Like the DODGERS “Wait till next year”

    • RGM says:

      Apparently “having guts” is synonymous with “having no brains.”

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  26. jon514 says:

    The big difference between some clubs and ours is that if the habs are THIS BAD next season, many people won’t even tune in to RDS/CBC let alone attend the games. Hopefully Molson knows this and will use it as a business case for cleaning house with guys like Gomez and Gauthier. Essentially pay the money now but earn it back in ad revenue and hopefully, a playoff run.

    On a side note I’d like to see Kaberle stick around, but paired with a defensive defenseman instead of Campoli, Weber or Diaz.
    If there’s a market for them I’d like to see all 3 of these offensive minded kids shipped out of town and bring in a stay at home defenseman.
    “Let’s be clear on the facts…”

  27. ed lopaz says:

    so just a small example of where I disagree with the Habs

    I see Eller as having a very interesting upside.

    Eller is a center – that’s where he will do the most to help the team.

    Why not play him there now??

    Every game.

    Every situation.

    PP time and 5 on 5.

    Give him a chance to show what he can do.

    Big minutes – important minutes.

    But the Habs find a way to screw this up, and find a reason to play Eller on the wing.

    Start building around Eller.

    lets see if he can be the big, productive center that we need.

    Eller is a smart young man.

    Eller is a team guy – talented – and capable.

    Its time now – during these nothing games – to let a player like Eller take on much more responsibility as a center and see what he can and can not do.

    • jon514 says:

      Well said. But the coach is trying to save his job, or rather his potential job with another club. He’s not a bad coach, just a bit of a gambler for taking the job in the first place.

      Eller will put up 40 points next season if played in a 2nd/3rd line role.

      “Let’s be clear on the facts…”

      • ed lopaz says:

        this is no longer a coaching decision.

        at this point in the season, it should be an Organisational Decision.

        Molson, Gauthier and then telling RC who they want to see in what situations.

        if RC is making these decisions alone, this Habs are a freakin joke.

        • jon514 says:

          There’s nothing funny about 28th place, but what do Molson or Gauthier know about which player can play in which situation? These decisions start and end with the coach. I don’t believe for a second that Gauthier would have the slightest idea how to coach.

          “Let’s be clear on the facts…”

          • ed lopaz says:

            jon, how can a GM build a team if he doesn’t see his players play in certain situations??

            of course the GM has to make certain demands of his coach when a team is eliminated and building for next season.

    • LafleurGuy says:

      I like Eller but he has taken more late-game and careless high-sticking penalties than Plekanec has in his whole Habs career.

      “May you live in interesting times.”

  28. Kooch7800 says:

    Man I am still in awe of how bad Komisarek is now. Goes to show how much confidence comes into play with your game. I was sad to see him leave the habs and i think he would have been better off here than in Toronto. He has spiraled into a terrible over paid D man.

    In saying that I would trade Kabby straight up for him and use him as a 7th d man

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    • Marcusman says:

      Komisarek used to be paired with Markov….#79 has a way of making everyone look good. Had he come back during that California road swing, we’d all be talking about facing the Bruins in round one of the playoffs.

    • avatar_58 says:

      I was glad he left. Being “a good guy” is hardly a reason to keep someone. Otherwise people should be praising Gomez more.

      Komisarek always sucked, that’s the reality. Markov and friends just hid his shortcomings.

  29. Mr_MacDougall says:

    Doug MacLean for GM!!!

    Mike Keanan for GM!!!!

    Pierre McGuire for GM!!!!

    The “Three Headed ‘Monster’ “

  30. db says:

    What are those bracelets White and Boychuk are wearing in that photo?

  31. Propwash says:

    I like the fact that White and Staub are there to chuck ‘em, it’s too bad the league has to stoop to that level though.

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    • habfan53 says:

      I agree After watching the circus in New York I wish the ref had given 2 minutes for roughing, 2 minutes foe unsprtsmanlike conduct, 5 minutes for fighting and 10 minute misconduct and game misconduct to each .

      to paraphrase Nixon: If the Bruins do it, it is not illegal

  32. coutNY says:

    I am currently living in St. Louis… My vote is for Montreal to pry Chris Stewart away from the Blues in Free agency. It may be hard if St. Louis goes far in a playoff run, but this guy is tough as Nails and can put the puck in the net. Stewart seemed to be unhappy with the trade from Colorado and slumping this year with St. Louis (eventhough the team looks good for the presidents trophy). I wouldn’t be surprized if he turns it on in the playoffs. He fits the Profile the Habs have projected to covet in a rebuild; young, big, gritty, can handle himself with his fist as needed.

  33. HardHabits says:

    Changing the coach is not enough. Gauthier and Gainey should have to be replaced in my opinion to make a meaningful reboot of the franchise. Whoever comes in give them 5 years. At 5 years assess if they should be extended or not. Let’s get some stability.

    The reason why I support Damphousse as GM and Roy as coach is that if you listen to their interviews or the things they say they break away from the canned platitudes we have become so accustomed to. They have serious ideas on how to build that is in stark contrast to the way PG and BG would continue.

    That and make Erik Cole captain.

    • shiram says:

      So someone with no name gets a 5 year tryout, but Gauthier does not get 3?

      RC : “Merci beaucoup.”

      • RGM says:

        Do you really want more of the same from this organization? This guy is the reason the Habs are in the position they are now – the sooner he is gone, the better.

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        • shiram says:

          I do not see PG as bad as alot of people do here but I don’t like him either.
          The point I was trying to make is that it’s irrational to say some unknown should get a 5 year free period of trial, while PG has not had 3 yet.

          RC : “Merci beaucoup.”

          • habfan53 says:

            I agree that I would give Gauthier another year but for slightly different reasons. I’ve seen him all year trying to correct what Gainey has left him ie: small team, Gomez’s contract and Cammelari.
            As for his perceived errors Markov for example I bet even he would say that he would like a do over probably would have kept Hamarlik instead of going out and getting Campoli then Kaberle.
            The firing of Pearn and Martin not a bad thing just bad in the way it was handled .
            BUT again when you hire someone with no GM experience they will make mistakes . Let him learn and move on .
            One more year then reevaluate if this team is no better next year Good-Bye.

            to paraphrase Nixon: If the Bruins do it, it is not illegal

          • shiram says:

            Especially considering Gauthier only has one more year on his contract.

            RC : “Merci beaucoup.”

          • habs_moleman says:

            I remember reading this article and it gave me better insight to the Gauthier discussion. Make of it what you will

            http://www.allhabs.net/feature/where-did-it-all-go-wrong/

    • Propwash says:

      Vinny D as GM, Roy as Dir. of hockey operations.

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    • habs-fan-84 says:

      Keep RC and keep PG. PG has made some great moves. I suggest patience, lots of pieces are here or are in the minors. Patience.

      • Cardiac says:

        “Great moves”??? Name one! Either we broke even or got fleeced in each and every trade, signing, etc. (with the exception of Cole, but let’s face it… who thought he would have been as successful as he has been this year.)

        “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
        – Jerry Maguire

        • habs-fan-84 says:

          -Cole
          -Keeping Price over Halak
          -Getting Emelin over here
          -Trading up to get Tinordi
          -signing Gorges long term
          -Bourque/Holland and cap space for Cammy

          • Garbo says:

            On the other hand
            – gill (arguable)
            – kostitsyn (arguable, but should have kept him)
            (together amounts to two 2nds and an emotion)

            – bourque
            – kaberle
            – campoli

            And lets be honest, you’d be hard pressed to find a single other person who would have traded for Kaberle. Probably the worst trade of the year.

          • Cardiac says:

            With the exception of Cole, none of these moves are “great”…

            Price over Halak, sure. Most GMs would have done the same. However, what we got in return is still a work in progress and may never pan out. Failure on Gauthier for not getting more.

            Emelin? Are you kidding? I highly doubt Gauthier had any major influence on bringing him to North America. Furthermore, Emelin has experienced major growing pains this season.

            Tinordi? Time will tell… it’s a craps shoot.

            Gorges was going to be a UFA at the end of the year anyway. He’s a great player and leader and this should have been a no-brainer.

            As for Cammaleri, see my point on Halak. We could have and should have gotten more. Cap space aside, Bourque sucks and Holland is at least 3 years away from even cracking the lineup.

            Now, if you want to discuss his blunders, that would have to be an entirely different post because they far outweigh the so-so moves mentioned above.

            “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
            – Jerry Maguire

        • Kooch7800 says:

          keeping Price, getting Eller (is still really young), getting Emelin to finally come over from the KHL, finding Diaz who is undrafted, resigning pleks to reasonable money long term, being able to land Cole.

          His biggest blunder all started with the Markov which was a gamble. Markov will be great for the next couple years but with his comeback being delayed so long a few things went off the rails….picking up Campoli…Free agent so not a huge deal cause he will be gone soon, the Kabby deal was also a result of Markov. If we had Markov all season our defense would have been a lot better. They were way to green this year and that was PG’s fault.

          I am not a PG fan but he is not as bad as Brian Burke and he has done some good things.

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    • Ozmodiar says:

      Damphousse?? Does giving a good interview to the media qualify him to be the GM?

      If he is a candidate, let’s hope Molson asks tougher questions than Chantal Machabee.

    • Cal says:

      And we all know Damphousse is an astute GM because he gives good interviews. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!
      They have serious ideas THEY HAVE NEVER PUT INTO PRACTICE, so how in the bleep bleep do we know they’ll be any good? Because they say so?

    • The Dude says:

      Very sound moves David…..The only issue with Damphousse is I would like the Habs to get MUCH BIGGER on the D and as for forwards DD.and Gallagher should be the only smaller athletes .As well trade Gionta, get rid of a majority of the 4th liners and SIGN another goalie named Clemonson”spelling?”. Damphousse was more of a gentleman in his career and I don’t see his style changing.We don’t want a gentleman.

  34. The Jackal says:

    Shiram – you’re right about the draftee making an instant impact, but he would still contribute. Seguin played in his first season and now he’s a regular contributor to the Dirty Bruins.

  35. habfan53 says:

    ENOUGH!!!!!! with the Ryder, Koivu, Halak, Ribeiro, Streit and whoever else has been traded, let go or cut. They are gone.
    It is not the first time manaqgement let somebody go I seem to remember a superstar by the name of Howie Morenz that was traded to Chicago. More recently Plante, Harvey and Geoffrion to the Rangers, more recently still Danny Grant to Minnesota.
    Without exception every player that was dealt had been trashed by most of the “fans” on this site.
    Ryder could not play Defence, Ribeiro for his diving and attitude, Streit good shot from the point but also had trouble keeping the puck in on the PP, Halak could’nt play a full schedule and Koivu had the biggest heart but was not the leader in the dressing room.
    So Please let us move on

    to paraphrase Nixon: If the Bruins do it, it is not illegal

    • HardHabits says:

      The Habs are the NHL farm team.

      • Kooch7800 says:

        They are not the only ones HH. In a cap world players move around like crazy. You keep a core and that is about it

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        • HardHabits says:

          I haven’t crunched the numbers but I wouldn’t be surprised if they show that the Habs are the team that gives the most rookie coaches starting jobs that end up elsewhere. That and the amount of drafted players by the Habs organization that are playing on other teams.

          It’s the one thing as a Hab fan that I find a small amount of solace in.

          So we don’t get to benefit from it but get to watch as ex-Habs succeed elsewhere.

          • habfan53 says:

            You’re comment about the coaches is what I was saying a couple of days ago. Twelve of our last seventeen coaches have had no NHL experience.
            The problem is that we have shown no patience with the last 4 (before Cunnywoth) Carbo, Julien, Therrien and Vigneault.
            IF you bring in a young coach you have to let him devellope and learn Yes they will make mistakes but they will learn and get better look at the results after they left Montreal.
            It is the same with a lot of young players.

            Like the DODGERS “Wait till next YEAR”

  36. rhino514 says:

    Still don´t think iot makes sense to have tough guys regularly playing who can´t play. I like White. He´s a fun guy. But how many points has he put up in like 80 games? 6 or 7? How many goals, one or two? He deserves a shot on the fourth line but that´s about it. Staubitz is a guy claimed off waivers. Doesn´t seem to have many hockey skills. Seems to me he should be in the press box most nights. Moen definitely deserves a spot, but not on the top two lines, and, on a stacked team, not even on the third.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Ryan White: 2 goals and 8 assists in 60 games.

      Staubitz has 8 career goals in 200 games.


      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • shiram says:

      White should not get more than a sniff at the third line, Staubitz should never get over 10 minutes a game.

      RC : “Merci beaucoup.”

    • Habs fan Munro says:

      the only reason white has been up there is because we have injuries. but he is a good player, great heart. also he is a free agent for summer along with moen so who knows if they will even be back next year

      I don’t want Maurice tonight, I want the ROCKET

    • avatar_58 says:

      White plays fine. A few years and he’ll be another Moen – chipping in occasionally and bringing energy.

  37. HabsFansince49 says:

    Anyone notice Ryder and Ribero’s numbers? And the Newfoundlander has a hot +20 rating not to mention 32 goals. Too bad those guys couldn’t make the Habs.

    • avatar_58 says:

      Two guys I never wanted to see go. But then I didn’t want Streit gone either.

    • rhino514 says:

      Ryder would throw paper airplanes from the press box and Ribeiro still shows up the crowd after a goal. You really want guys like that on your team?

      • avatar_58 says:

        Yeah you’re right, I *much* prefer guys like Nokalainen (is he still here? I forget, I never hear his name), Bourque, Blunden and Darche.

        Or hell – guys like Eller who we’re told “will be good one day soon”. Sure, no doubt – but those guys were good ALREADY.

        I feel this franchise is in a constant state of waiting for their players to develop. They never keep them once they finally start showing said development. Don’t get attached to DD or Pacioretty, for example.

      • RGM says:

        When you’re banished to press box, what else are you supposed to do? Honestly, I would like to know your opinion on what a player that is a healthy scratch should do to pass the 3 hours.

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  38. HankHardball says:

    As long as Bettman’s wet dream of a hard salary cap handicaps the Canadian teams and favours the US teams, Canada’s game will remain an American league.

    Because there’s no healthcare component in the US tax structure, players playing on US teams get to take home 10 to 15% more of their salary than players playing in Cdn cities.

    So a $70 million hard cap is really closer to $60 million in Canada. The Cdn teams have to pay the players 10 to 15% more to match what the players’ take home pay would be in an American city.

    That kills us in the free agent market and at the trading deadline. We get stuck with free agents whose contracts have outlived their value. And at the trading deadline, we don’t have the room to pick up the players we’d rather have.

    A soft cap system would allow the money making Canadian teams to spend more of their money to level the playing field. As long as the hard cap remains in effect, don’t expect the Stanley Cup to be coming north of the border anytime soon.

    • habfan53 says:

      It’s not the cap that is hurting Canadian teams it is bad management. Toronto, Montreal, Calgary Edmonton and Ottawa. All have either missed the playoffs (Toronto and Edmonton) or squeaked in for the last six years .
      Free agents want to go where they see a chance. Yes the tax situation hurts Montreal more than anyone else but it has other advantages .

      to paraphrase Nixon: If the Bruins do it, it is not illegal

  39. FanCritic says:

    Lets put a real team in place first than hire a coach, no coach would do any better with the team we have. check their record and it’s not the coaches fault. Give RC the right players and he’ll win his share of games. He’s doing it now with next to nothing for forwards.

  40. Malreg says:

    HockeyFuture’s top 10 wingers in the WHL:

    http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/13958/top10_whl_wingers/

    Look who has 2 players in the top-10. That’s right, the team that apparently has the 28th best prospect pool.

  41. 24 Cups says:

    Take a good look – it might be quite different come October.

    http://video.canadiens.nhl.com/videocenter/console?catid=66&id=165929&lang=en&navid=DL|MTL|home

  42. Barts says:

    Not tough enough…

    • LafleurGuy says:

      Holy Crap! Referring to an all-star as milquetoast. Kessel seems just as tough as Lafleur was. 4th in league scoring, and 24 years old. Jeff Blair went over the top. Wonder what he was like as an Expos reporter.

      “May you live in interesting times.”

      • Cardiac says:

        I thought the same thing. Dude’s gonna most likely score 40 goals and made Lupul look like Henrik Sedin this year. If TO doesn’t want him, I gladly take him off their hands…

        “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
        – Jerry Maguire

        • avatar_58 says:

          Kessel for Plek straight up – would anyone here do it?

          • Cardiac says:

            Yes! He’d make Eller easily a 60-70 point player. Imagine the 1-2 punch of Pacioretty and Kessel.

            The only problems, the Leafs would never do it and we would never trade Pleks to a division rival.

            “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
            – Jerry Maguire

          • ABHabsfan says:

            every day

            “man, I love winnin'; you know, it’s like better than losin’?”-
            Ebby Calvin “Nuke” Laloosh

          • FanCritic says:

            Kessel is worth Pleks and a 1st rounder. Kessel is a way better Center and only 25, plus a 30 goal scorer every year. the leafs wouldn’t let him go if they did Burke would be gone for sure.

          • Les Canayens says:

            Or Burke can try to persuade Boston to give Seguin back for Kessel. Like asking a gift you gave someone back.

          • boing007 says:

            I’d rather have Kessel playing alongside Pleks.

            Richard R

  43. Hobie Hansen says:

    Thank god the tide is starting to change directions in Montreal and we’re on our way back to having integrity by employing players who step up and address issues on the ice with their toughness.

    People can say well look what’s it’s done for us, nothing! That is a total falsity and cop out. Adding Brad Staubitz to the 4th line and the return of Ryan White has done nothing but help the team. Missing Gionta, Moen and trading away others players and three or four other pressing reasons are why we are where we are in the standings.

    A small team and one that can’t stand up for itself doesn’t belong in the NHL. We were led to believe it might after the lockout but coaches and teams adjusted and shortly after the new NHL was supposedly launched it reverted back to the way hockey was meant to be played; tough, physical and with a little intimidation to even things out.

    White and Staubitz are a breath of fresh air but 6’6″ Jarred Tinodi will eventually assume the role of sheriff and then the universe will be completely back in check ;-).

    • HardHabits says:

      Whether or not it prevents or limits physical injuries is moot. It prevents psychological injuries and wounded pride. Hopefully the Habs have ended their turtling and turning away from scrums with their heads and tails between their legs phase.

  44. novahab says:

    Standing ovation for Mr. Leclerc for being a real journalist. Someone willing to go out and ask questions to get a story. Also I want to point out I broke this story two weeks earlier. Roy is want this team needs. he will demand respect from the refs and the league that has their foot on the throat of this franchise. This team has become a group of cowards at the leadership level and the press. They all coward as soon as they here Gary Bettman’s name. Well one can imagine the difference if Roy had of been coach , when Chara delivered his attack on Patches. Good for you Mr. Molson, a step foreward for our great team.

    • LafleurGuy says:

      Not in agreement in the harshness of your criticism of the team’s lack of leadership but your point is accurate. Can’t recall the public response Martin or Gauthier gave after Pacioretty was injured. Seems that the reason the Rangers and Devils brawled was for lesser issues than a “neck-breaking, head-shaking” hit that was frightening to witness. I would have given Laraque a second buyout just to come back for the following Bruins game.

      “May you live in interesting times.”

  45. Marc10 says:

    Patrick Roy? Really?

    Well… if you look at the list of candidates. Take out those that are signed elsewhere. Lose the recently fired but still under contract. Remove the retired (Lemaire), those that wouldn’t handle the pressure of the head job (Robinson), and you’re left with who…? A deadbeat coach (no offence), a couple of pundits and exiles, an unproven junior coach, and the last Hab with a Conn Smythe. Yeah. Really.

    – Hartley
    – Therrien
    – Lemaire
    – Carbo
    – Muller
    – Pierre McGuire
    – Robinson
    – Boucher
    – Crawford
    – Dany Dube
    – Some Junior Coach we don’t know
    – RC
    – JM
    – St Pat

    Unless you could lure Barry Trotz or Mike Babcock or even Torts… (and I believe for Trotz and Babcock, the Habs would waive the francophone component), who are you going to get?

    When you look at the list… You have to think St Pat is in the driver’s seat. (And I do think the risk that this turns into a full blown circus is immense…)

    So yeah… Really!

  46. HabFanSince72 says:

    Re: Patrick Roy as the next coach. It isn’t as if there were many options out there, even ignoring the French language requirement.

    Veteran coaches that are not head coaching now: Lemaire, Robinson, Crawford, Hartley, Maurice, Quinn(?), Ron Wilson. The last three don’t speak french but none of them are very exciting. So the language requirement isn’t what is stopping us from landing the guy who leads us to #25.

    If we agree that none of the above are feasible (either unavailable or undesirable), then we are going with a rookie coach.

    If that’s the case, heck might as well go with Patrick, caveats notwithstanding.

    He is on record as liking attacking hockey. That’s something.


    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

  47. LafleurGuy says:

    Rene Bourque had to answer for his vicious elbow delivered to Niklas Backsrom I think is was. Gaustad faced up to Lucic for his “hockey play” on Ryan Miller. Anyone want White or Staubitz to confront Myers for what he did to Gomer? How about you Habs Seven….. oh nevermind.

    “May you live in interesting times.”

  48. 24 Cups says:

    In the only race that counts during this sorry season:

    Columbus – 53
    Edmonton – 66
    Montreal – 69
    Minnesota – 70
    Tampa – 71
    Islanders – 71
    Toronto – 72
    Anaheim – 73
    Carolina – 73

  49. LafleurGuy says:

    I stated a month ago that I much prefer our group of players to the Leafs, when we were 10 points back. Carlisle has his team in disarray. Not only are they not creating scoring chances, but to have 3 consecutive games with fewer than 17 shots is beyond pathetic. I’m learning more about the negative impact of coaching (see John McLean vs. Jacques Lemaire, and David Payne vs. Ken Hitchcock).

    The Sabers turned it around in a way we were hoping back in mid-season when both teams were in around 12th place. The two teams match up on paper with the significant difference being better secondary scoring for the swordsmen.

    Edmonton is fierce at season’s end. They’ll still place 29th but their future is bright.

    “May you live in interesting times.”

    • Cal says:

      I disagree. A good team needs balance, not just a few exciting scorers. Their lack of D and goaltending will haunt them for seasons to come. They may be fun to watch, but they will lose a lot. This is their 4th season of futility with no end in sight.

  50. 24 Cups says:

    Andrei Kostitsyn is pointless and minus-4 in his last five games. His ice time has declined in each one of those games, and down to 12:27 last night. That’s not a good omen for a projected line of AK46/Legwant/Radulov. Or maybe the magic will begin on Thursday night.

    The major complaint in Montreal was that AK46 wasn’t given ample (or consistent) ice time with decent front line players. He also didn’t get enough PP time. That could all change wilth the arrival of Radulov. Andrei doesn’t strike me as being very bright, but surely to goodness he must realize that this spring time window of opportunity is his chance to land a Leino/Fleischmann type contract.

    The Habs are out of the post season but one of the points of interest for Montreal fans will be the performance of the K brothers as Nashville loads up for a Cup run. The Preds will probably be playing Detroit so it should be a classic series.

    • LafleurGuy says:

      As a 27 year old five year NHL veteran, Andrei has too many holes in his game, kind of like a home run hitter with a low BA and strikes out a lot (don’t you miss Tim Wallach and the Expos?). He is at risk for a dropoff in status comparable to Chris Higgins’ who has settled into life as a third liner.

      “May you live in interesting times.”

      • LafleurGuy says:

        Came out wrong. Loved Tim Wallach. Not really a home run hitter and did not strike out a lot. But I never saw him smile or show the exuberance that the Kid did, and that ’94 team was unbelievably talented and lovable.

        “May you live in interesting times.”

        • 24 Cups says:

          Andrew – The UFA depth chart for LWs is pretty weak. I’ve checked it over in terms of Montreal’s need for another LW. The names I come back to are Ak46 and Moen! The only other guy I see is Ray Whitney but he would want a two year deal to leave the desert. That’s a hugh gamble in terms of a +35 contract for a guy who will be 40 this May.

          http://www.mynhltraderumors.com/2011/11/09/2012-nhl-free-agents-unrestricted-left-wingers/

          Any kind of a decent effort by AK will land him a good contract. His salary won’t break the bank (in terms of a new CBA cap rollback) and history has proven that teams will get caught up in the signing frenzy of July 1st. It only takes one team to see AK as a player who can fill a pressing need at no cost (of picks or assets). The Leino/Fleischmann overpayments prove my point beyond a doubt. 4.5m doesn’t get you much in the NHL these days.

          • HabFanSince72 says:

            AK reminds me of Alexei Ponikarovsky.

            Last year Poni got a one year deal for $3.2M.

            This year he had to settle for one year at $1.5M.

            Next year he might not be an NHLer.

            I see a similar trajectory for AK. Short term deals here and there until he reaches the age of 32 and then sayonara.


            Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

          • LafleurGuy says:

            Wouldn’t mind at all if AK is re-signed by us in the summer! He wasn’t acquired as a UFA but what do you think of Matthew Lombardi’s contract with the Leafs? Looks like Nashville did not lose that trade!

            “May you live in interesting times.”

    • Cal says:

      AK showing his lack of work habits that will win him no fans in Nashville.

      • LafleurGuy says:

        The Brothers Kostitsyn was not written by Dostoyevsky but could be a nice piece to report by some Nashville reporter. Relative to the histories of the respective teams involved, this story could be as “big” as 4 generations of the Geoffrion/Morenz clan playing on Les Canadiens!

        “May you live in interesting times.”

  51. jols101 says:

    Great story on Price, too funny. Hope we lock him up long term this summer and i am not holding my breath but i hope he won’t ask for the world(although i would give it to him). I hope he turns out to be a Team first guy and takes a little less then fair market value so we can sign a couple UFA’s…

    The Gomez story – The salary cap is expected to go up to 70 million and i think the players revenue will be dropped from 57% to 52% in the new CBA. That would still leave the cap at 66.5 million with the cap floor being close to 50 million. I truely believe there will be more then one owner that will see the benefit in paying Gomer 10 million over the next 2 seasons and having it count as 14.6 million against the cap. Thats 4.6 million in a cash strapped owners pocket and there will be many of them. I think one of them will take him off our hands this summer. I’m keeping my fingures crossed.

    • Mad Habber says:

      Obviously he can’t give a discount, he can’t afford a bottle of coke.

      • RGM says:

        That gets a slow clap from me. Fantastic!

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    • LafleurGuy says:

      When NHL GMs have tried to be creative in fitting high-salaried players into their budgets, controversy or derision most often follows. Examples, Rick DiPietro, Ilya Kovalchuk, Alexander Ovechkin, Jeff Carter, Ilya Bryzgalov. In my opinion, the Canadiens are already at that crossroad with Carey Price. These past two excellent seasons were played at $2.75M per, and more than likely Carey will defer all business decisions to his agent (who is it, and is he a pain?). Not hopeful that a major storm is avoided.

      “May you live in interesting times.”

    • AllHailTheFlower says:

      I’m finding the salary cap issue a bit confusing at the moment. It’s my understanding that under the current CBA, the cap will rise at the end of the season. But I believe that CBA expires over the summer, and that when a new one is established, the salary cap will actually go down, not up. I defer to the less numerically-challenged members here to explain this for me.

      • Chris says:

        Nobody actually knows what will happen. Anybody talking about what the cap is or isn’t going to do next season is talking right out of their rear end.

        The only things I know are that Gary Bettman and the owners will want to cut the player’s share of league revenues, citing the sheer number of teams that are bleeding red ink, while Donald Fehr and the NHLPA will do all they can to maintain the status quo, citing the overall increase in league revenues as proof that the league is healthy.

        Where it goes from there is anybody’s guess.

  52. HabFanSince72 says:

    The article about Price walking into a store… One is at a loss for words.


    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • LafleurGuy says:

      Kinda article that warms a cold winter day during a winning season…….so you’re right, it’s spring!….and the season….

      Most excited fan reactions I’ve had running into fame, were Brian Burke jogging in Stanley Park, Hakeem Olajuwan touristing in Waimea Falls, and the best, Dale Hawerchuk in my work place.

      “May you live in interesting times.”

    • The Cat says:

      I smell Pulitzer Prize.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

      • LafleurGuy says:

        Fluff article, I agree, but we learned that Carey is a dog person! Hope you’re not easily offended.

        “May you live in interesting times.”

        • HabFanSince72 says:

          If it had appeared in the Pointe Claire West Islander, in between a story about that new Stop sign and the results of the local school’s spelling bee, it would have been fluff.


          Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

  53. LafleurGuy says:

    Can’t agree. Unless an 18 yr. old with Stamkos-like talent, or if you prefer Daigle-like talent, is the asset acquired, it’s BIG step backwards to lose Plekie’s (Coach’s nickname for both Plekanec and Nokelainen) skillset and leadership for a player who will be impactful after the Sochi Olympics. As a matter of perspective, that 18 yr. old is unlikely to be in that Olympics, whereas Tomas will (barring injury).

    “May you live in interesting times.”

  54. avatar_58 says:

    They move to the wing. Also the guy starts on the 3rd or hamilton, not immediately top 6. This isn’t the Islanders or Oilers.

  55. krob1000 says:

    Grigorenko becomes no 2? they say he has trouble playing against quality hockey teams in the Q…he is probably 3 years away from being a no 2 center in the NHL and 5 years from being a no 1 potentially….a hell of an asset but any team with him as a no 2 center next year is a front runner in the Nathan Mackinnon sweepstakes. Even Seguin last year was a scratch many nights and the Bruins 4th line center.

  56. habfan53 says:

    If Lafleur and Robinson were not good enough what makes you think grigs would be.

    to paraphrase Nixon: If the Bruins do it, it is not illegal

  57. avatar_58 says:

    The young blood. Plek isn’t going to be a winger and Eller plays far better at center. Ergo – Grigorenko (or whomever they choose) needs to learn the wing in the minors so that when they are called up they play their new “natural position”.

    The habs do not need another 2nd/3rd center and these guys don’t look like dominant #1’s to me.

  58. shiram says:

    I’ll just say to temper your expectations, Habs are drafting at a good spot, and that’s good, but to expect that player to immediatly have an impact on the Habs top 6 is a bit far-fetched.

    RC : “Merci beaucoup.”

  59. Ozmodiar says:

    Wouldn’t he be too young for the AHL?

  60. Ozmodiar says:

    Assuming we go after that elusive ‘big’ center, the logjam will have to be addressed at some point.

    In the meantime, I don’t see us trading Pleks until management is sure Eller or the draft pick can step into the #2 spot.

  61. LafleurGuy says:

    Most teams would find Plekie’s (Plekanec not Nokelainen says the Coach) contract too expensive. At the time of signing it matched up with 29 goal and 70 point productivity.

    “May you live in interesting times.”


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