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Goals by 5 forwards, all with size Cole, Patch, Bourque, Eller and Darche. When was the last time? Go Habs!
What a BS call
Yogi Gomez on tonight’s game vs the Leafs:”We need the 2 points. At this time of year it is very difficult to make up ground on teams ahead of you in the standings, especially with 3 point games. And tonight, because the Leafs hold the final playoff spot, this is a 4 point game for us.”
Habs spoiling Sundin’s evening. Go Habs Go!
One of the arguments against tanking is that it instills a loser mentality.
Just seeing the Edmonton Oilers once again in lottery pick contention, losing to the Sens, and I have to agree.
What a joke.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.
Is it just me or does the sound for the Jets’ game keep cutting in and out?
How about it NHL? No fighting, just hockey?
Not just you. More “network difficulties” I guess.
If any of you have seen the after-practice interviews with Cole and Kaberle, the TSN reporter (can only see his mike and hear him) kept making reference to the Catholic church having taken out an add on thursday supporting the Habs.
He kept asking if anyone found it odd or funny.
What’s so funny about an entrenched and influential institution buying advertising time? So it’s the Catholic church.
If he tried talking to the man upstairs, his conscience might tell him not to associate the church with ridicule. Idiot!
This is another story that will be blown up and taken out of context. The Montreal Archdiocese apparently has been running ads that are somewhat cheeky and fun, and trying to state that religion still has a place in a modern context. Agree or not, it’s not very controversial, but busy, tired, overworked reporters, looking for an incendiary angle when facts and research just won’t do, will inflate this into a story where the Pope orders his subjects to pray for the Canadiens and a playoff spot, to prevent the End of Days.
…the end of days. Well it is 2012 after all. Let’s sensationalize while we still can!
Cole should have told them to ask Thomas that question.
“Wins? We don’t need no stinkin’ wins!”
I don’t think the ad actually expressed support for the Habs directly; it was more a tongue in cheek illustration of the power of prayer.
I thought it was funny, although I still find it unseemly that a great, old and beloved institution known for it’s past glories and great pagentry should associate with one notorious for its unreasoning and often fanatic membership.
Okay, that second paragraph is awesome! Well played!
Talk about your tongue in cheek
Has anyone had trouble logging on?
I kept getting a message that the remote server couldn’t be accessed.
Raining here today but a good day nonetheless. And yes I had lots of trouble logging on. Remember when they used to call it “network difficulties” on NHL hockey telecasts? Lots of cursing when that used to happen on a regular basis.
I know, I had the same. Apparently I caused it, stated we probably should have picked up Anthony Stewart, someone whispered “Konopka”, and the server crashed.
See what happens when you keep beating a dead horse?
Did you know that the Slovak word for ‘horse’ is ‘halak’?
Hello from beautiful PEI… home of Hockey Day in Canada. Hoping for a big Habs’ win to cap off a great week.
Go! Habs Go!
God’s country. I’m envious.
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I was given an advance copy of the March issue of Reader’s Digest earlier this week. Much as I dislike the Leafs and Brian Burke as a GM, there’s a fantastic article in there about Burke and his son, and how he’s become a reluctant figurehead in the gay rights movement. I highly recommend reading it. Dislike the title, but respect the man.
I think it’s okay to see Burke as someone who is at once a loudmouth jerk, and a decent human being. At least that’s how I see him. And as much as I can’t stand some of his attitude and outdated ideas, I’d take him over PG anyday of the week. At least he’s honest, and says things that are REAL, not just BS.
Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!
He was on Stromolopolous last week, great interview.
I’m sure you can find the interview on the CBC site.
Coupla Quick Thoughts:
1. THAT’S SOOOO TSN. I can’t STAND this “4-point game” BS. If we were neck-and-neck near the end of the season, I could see it. But to talk about this now when we’re so far behind is the kind of hype and BS I expect from TSN, not HIO.
2. MORE MOEN? I think people have the wrong idea about Moen. Playing him in the top 6 makes people expect more, but the guy’s only making $1.5 mil/year. He’s a good defensive player and worth the money… at 1.5 or even 1.75, I’d like to see him re-signed. EXCEPT for one thing: if keeping him means management is going to think “we have a tough guy up front” and don’t need more, then we’re better to trade him for a draft pick and get someone REALLY tough. But as part of our PK, as a good defensive player who chips in now and then, and as some added toughness to a team that needs more – why would we trade this guy?
3. KOSTITSYN. I really HOPE AK is also re-signed but given how he’s used it seems unlikely. He’s a weird case. Everyone on the outside sees a guy who is well-liked by teammates, has grit and skill, and puts up good points for a 2nd-3rd line player, for fair money. Coaches seem to see him as a dispensable fill-in.
4. PLEKANEC. For those who lately are crapping on Plekanec. You gotta give this guy a break. No-one was steadier and more reliable the last two years. And while for a stretch he wasn’t himself this year, it was a) just after he had his first kid and b) no-one has had to play so many roles with so many different partners. Give him 2 solid wingers for a month and then judge his play. This year has been potato salad (German anyone?).
5. TOO LATE – BUT WORTHY. I think we’re seeing the benefits of Cunneyworth’s coaching with this little winning streak. I only wish he was put in place sooner. The team is playing like a team, more guys seem to be in the right place all the time. The players look loose and more comfortable. And… you know what? If the team keeps it up and gets to 85 points, I think he’ll be back next year. (I’ve said this before… no-one agreed. Maybe that’s changing?)
According to Gazette editor Stu Gowan. Burke has gotten bang for his buck.
Really. The Leafs have not made the play-offs for several years in a row and are in danger of missing the play-offs again. They are lucky they have no injures right now. what happens if they don’t have Kessels or Phaneuf in the line-up. They are doomed.
He’s just Stu-ing the pot to sell ink!
piper, I hope you didn’t take my disagreeing with you on A. Stewart to heart. FWIW, I appreciate you as a member of HIO and enjoy your posts. Sorry, for that coming off a little too warm and fuzzy, but you know what I mean. As for Stewart, we just have differing opinions.
I hated the Boston Beatdown as much as any Habs fan and am not opposed to adding a big tough guy, but that player needs to be more than just that and be a positive in the room. I know Stewart got 40 points a couple years ago, but something HAS to be up with him considering he wasn’t retained buy his former club despite a very cheap salary, Carolina waived him, and no one else picked him up even though he was essentially a freebie. All those things speak a great deal to a players value, and in Stewart’s case, not too kindly.
– Honestly yours
Agree with you. I would like to think that someone from the Habs at least called Muller to ask “what’s up with this guy?” The answer could not have been good. However, he is young and could change given the right surroundings. Maybe Mtl was just not the right surroundings
Not sure if you can call the coach of a competing organization to get the inside scoop on one of his players. At best, Pierre Gauthier might have asked Jim Rutherford for an honest assessment of his player, and Mr. Rutherford might have complied in order to foster a good working relationship for future dealings.
Yvonne Lambert looks great but where is his ‘stache?
I thought for sure when we were in 15th last saturday it was officially over, but a win tonight and we are 7 points back with 26 games to go. That is alot of games and like Hickey said 8 of those games are against Leafs, Sens, Panthers and Caps.
If habs lose in regulation then its 11 pts back, and basically curtains. I for one am remaining optimistic. Habs have been playing better of late, so really who knows
My free agent shopping list would begin and end with Ryan Suter, if he makes it ’till then.
Otherwise, I would concentrate on signing our own with the exception of Gill, Campoli, Darche, and Nokelinen. The rest I would sign. Obviously, some more cap space would need to be freed up to make room for the rest. Hello Mr.’s Gomez, Gionta and Kaberle.
On another note, isn’t Teemu Selanne a bloody friggin’ wonder?
He’s 41 and has 18 goals and 50 points!
Totally disagree on Gio. The guy was brought in to be a 30 goal scorer and in the past 2 seasons scored 28 and 29 respectively while being defensively responsible. What more do you want from the guy? I know he’s a smaller player, but in case you haven’t looked recently, we are a lot bigger now than we were last year with the additions of Cole, Bourque, and Emelin. Not to mention Blunden and Nokia.
The whole “Smurfs” thing is outdated and inaccurate. We’re not a big bruising team mind you, but we’re not small and soft as a team anymore. Being rid of Campoli, hopefully Kabs assuming Markov returns healthy and effective, and likely one of Diaz or Weber will further help the remnants of our perceived lack of size issue.
There’s a degree of tension among HIO posters as to the best course of action for our beloved team. Perhaps a bit of music can bring deliver them from their Dueling Fan Woes
I have a great plan
I’m a ‘true’ Habs fan
To make the team better
(I wear a Habs sweater)
I think the Habs should bottom out
I think the Habs should go all out
I think the Habs should wind it down
I think the Habs are playoff bound
The more they lose the better they’ll be
I’d rather see them on a winning spree
If they tank they get a higher pick
Remember the round when they got Patrick?
They could land a Forsberg in the top five
Or select a Daigle by taking a dive
The team could benefit from a solid draft
Or go down in flames while other teams laugh
Trust me it is the proper course
Dontcha get tired of beatin’ that horse?
I know I’m right!
I know I’m right!
I know I’m right!
I know I’m right!
Kaberle sucks and Gill’s too slow
The veterans help the youngsters grow
Send Gomez down, AK in a trade
You’re talkin’ tank when we should upgrade
We love our team, just don’t see eye to eye
But a loss to the Bruins makes both of us cry
Carey’s been solid, PK’s working on his game
But when his career is over, he’ll be in the Hall of Fame
We may have our differences but on this we can agree
The penalty kill’s great, the power play ugly
Eller’s four-goal outing we never will forget
Or Gomez the night he finally found the net
Losing’s okay if the rewards are great
Losing your soul ensures a bad fate
A superstar is what this team lacks
One more year and it could be Max
The Markov deal put the team in a hole
But the Habs made amends with the signing of Cole
Pierre should be gone, he’s in over his head
Okay, wise guy, who would you put there instead?
Weber and Campoli are too soft on the D
But the seven back there just helped us win three!
I know I’m right
I know I’m right
The team should aim to finish last
That doesn’t fit with its storied past
It will set the stage for a Stanley Cup
The Habs aren’t known for giving up
The reffing is bad and Bettman’s a real jerk
And Toronto’s the windy city because of Brian Burke
The NHL is a joke when it comes to head trauma
Flopper’s a head case for not going to see Obama
DD has opened eyes with his playmaking skills
Emelin slamming bodies makes for great spills
Cherry’s a buffoon and MacLean’s a real toady
Todd is outdated, Red was once a golden oldie
[Conclude with instrumental flourish]
You do have a gift my friend! Well done sir.
The sing-a-long, my favourite! Thanks JBF
It appears the Anthony Stewart hysteria may have reached the zenith, that is the hysteria of none other than Zenon Konopka! Never did I think a player could reach those heights again!
You just flubbed an opportunity to work in the word ‘zenith’, it would have been perfectly cromulent.
habs win 3-2 gomez with 1 goal
I support Scott Gomez
and again finishes -1
As long as they win, who cares if he’s -1?
As long as they win I don’t care if he even plays
The markov loss has been huge… if we would have know in the summer we could have gone after better players to sign…while his salary does not count it reduced the type of player that was available to pick up…this summer may be the same story as we cannot sign players because we will have to have cap room for markov if he plays…if we find out again late that he cannot play there will be very limited players to pick up….
Because of him alone, we are out 40-50 team goals/season. That would put the Habs on pace for League leaders on Goals For.
EXACTLY what we need:
Yup, we need a hugger.
Exactly, Unfortunately our GM and 90% of the posters here dissagree.
Don’t forget 100% of real NHL GMs.
They all dont need a player like that. Habs do.
If he’s so good and cheap, why wouldn’t they? If he’s as good as some posters say he is, he must at least be an upgrade on almost every teams 12/13 foarward, right?
We already have one. Ryan White.
LOOOOOOOOL – NICE!
I’m done. Enjoy the next Boston Beatdown.
And yet another big nasty roast beefster available, Brad Staubitz: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6elphe8dPo
Two more points tonight! in the Burke so called hockey universe!
Beam Us Up With The Winner Again Scotty!
I’m convinced that Brian Burke said that during the Winter Classic announcement press conference with tongue firmly in cheek, to get a rise out of us Toronto-haters. We should chuckle along with him and not rise to his bait.
Normand, I think you hit nail on the head!
There’s no need for the “cryin” Brian article. I thought this site could be a sanctuary for Hab fans who live in leaf nation..I was wrong. Burke is a fake and a liar, he changes his leaf story daily. Apparently the leafs could have made the playoffs but chose not to. Burke is such an arrogant ass.
Go Habs Go!!
On Feb. 2 Burke stepped out to find his shadow.
However what appeared to be a solar eclipse was in fact Burkie’s head blocking the sun.
“It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”
Always interesting to see how the other half lives.
Kiss my hAbSS!!!
Especially two years ago when he didn’t think he was giving away that high pick for Kessel.
I hate the Leafs. But I understand what he is saying. He could have given up young talent for a playoff push. But it wasn’t worth it. He is trying to build a team that can win the Cup. He may be a blowhard, but he has made some good moves. He also got rid of a lot of bad moves. Like Jeff Finger, Beauchemin and others. They are still not anywhere near a Stanley Cup team. And giving away 2 first round draft choices and a 2nd for Kessel was still a mistake. Cause Seguin is doing very well and Dougie Hamilton looks just as good. Unless the Leafs win the Cup in the next 2 years, I say Boston won.
The Leafs will have a hard time making the playoffs in the next two years.
@sholi2000 – lol on the video, Shane – that was a blast from the past (nice sideburns, Stevie)
The memories for me too. I it was our Junior High School Prom song. (the walk down)
PG should see what he can do to get Stewart from Carolina. It will cost him now since was asleep when he passed through waivers but with Blunden out we could use him. If we are going to make a run at the playoffs (LOL) a player like Stewart will be required.
Out of the question. When he could be had for free, I totally would have supported his acquisition. Now that he’d cost assets, it’s too late.
UCE, do you believe we can still make the playoffs this year?
Mathematically yes, of course. Practically, we shouldn’t make it the goal of the organization though. Win games, sure. Make short-term decisions to get into the playoffs, no.
I posted at the start of the season that while we’d have an exciting spirited team, it wasn’t a Cup-contending team and we should focus on winning in a couple seasons from now. We may have been a couple of rungs below that, although I think our team is fundamentally sound, in that it doesn’t need to be blown up this summer, just massaged. The icetime the youngsters are receiving this season, at the cost of a few wins and probably a post-season appearance, will pay off in the future.
Don’t you think there is something wrong with Stewart, since not one team wants him?
You really think a player that no one wants is required for making a run at the playoffs?
Fit is important on a team. So if, let’s say, Michael Grabner had been made available, he wouldn’t have added anything to our mix that we don’t already have a surfeit of, especially before Michael Cammalleri was traded. So while Mr. Grabner is a good player, it wouldn’t have been a good addition to our team. Mr. Stewart however would have hit the bullseye in terms of fit and what this team needs.
I’m definitely certain that there is ‘something’ wrong with Mr. Stewart, since every team in the NHL wants big wingers with a physical edge, yet none deigned to add him to their rosters. This is offset in my opinion by the fact that the Canadiens have a crying need for size, a physical dimension, and even basic depth at forward. Also, whatever is wrong with Mr. Stewart, we can be rid of it easily seeing as his contract is modest and only for another season.
I don’t even think we just add him to make a run to the playoffs. Even if we’re just playing out the string, it will help reduce the instances of David Desharnais getting crosschecked in the ear machine-gun style like he was against the Penguins. Apparently Brian Gionta and a few other veterans had asked Pierre Gauthier at the end of last season to add this element of size and toughness to our team, I think Tomas Plekanec and Raphaël Diaz would have appreciated it. There’s also a chance the roll of the dice works, and we get a serviceable 3rd or fourth-line forward into next season.
Michael Grabner, when he was placed on waivers, didn’t the first team pick him? In cases like Grabner, you should forget about fit, you should just take the player and his upside.
I agree that Stewart would be a fit, however it seems clear that something is wrong with him. I don’t know what that is, and I certainly don’t want to speculate. But it’s enough to scare off 30 teams. That should be enough to quell the whining here.
If Max and Cole can’t stop DD from getting crosschecked, how is some so-so tough guy on the 4th line going to help?
Notice I said “reduce instances”, not completely prevent them. I have noted earlier this season how players like Ryan Malone, Mark Stuart and Wayne Simmonds, among others, behaved like cheap bullies because they knew they could get away with it. In a subsequent game, when Mr. Simmonds was regularly faced with Alexei Emelin, Hal Gill and Travis Moen in post-whistle scrums around the net, he was an absolute kitty cat. I hate the fact that the sport is run this way and the refereeing is the way it is, but I’ve come to admit after season-long scrutiny that the Don Cherrys and Mike Milburys run the sport. We need some ammunition to counter them.
Not sure why everyone is so hot for Stewart. Canes put him on waivers and 29 teams pass on him, but PG is a moron for not grabbing him for free, and now he should see what it will cost to acquire him in a trade? The same Stewart that went unsigned for a little while as a UFA this summer despite a sub-1mil salary, having a big-body, and being a cheap man’s power forward.
As another poster mentioned below, he’s 27 and already on his 4th NHL team (who doesn’t even want him btw), so there has to be a problem with him of some kind. Players his age making under a mil aren’t expected to score a lot of points so he must not be very good at doing whatever he was brought in to do…which would have to be a checking/defensive forward with some grit and pugnacity.
Losing Blunden to injury sucks, but we’re getting Whitey back so that’s an upgrade. Nokia hasn’t been in the line-up for a while now but at least he can win some faceoffs – which Stewart can’t. How many 4th line forwards do we need?
FWIW, this reply wasn’t directed at you specifically. There are many posts below singing Stewart’s praises as well and I was kind of addressing them all.
I don’t believe that, in the history of H I/O, there has ever been a player put on waivers that we were not morons for passing up.
Picking up a very marginal player on waivers in a year we aren’t making the playoffs makes no sense.
So true. Sadly, so very true.
Explains why the Hab management and owners won’t give us a vote
Stewart scored around 40 points two years ago and like you said hes only 27. I’d take the chance any day of the week. Of the other teams that passed on him, how many need that type of player as much as the Habs.
I guess that depends on which Stewart they’re getting. The one who can score 40 points a year, or the one that Carolina waived and no one else wanted. If it’s the former, then most teams in the league could benefit from him, even if he’s far down the depth chart on their respective rosters.
My thing is this: If he has these qualities, why wasn’t he retained by his former team considering his salary demands obviously weren’t much? Why did Carolina put him on waivers and why did every team pass on him?
I agree that playing for arguably the worst team in the league has probably hurt his play to an extent, but on the other hand, sub-par players can also stand out on sub-par teams due to overall lack of talent.
I’m not big on rumours, but some posters have mentioned the possibility that he has an attitude problem, or maybe he parties too much. I have no idea if this is true or not, but those in the league are much more in the know and they must know something if nobody wanted him as a big, cheap player for depth who had good offensive production recently.
You’re right but I still think it would be worth the risk.
Stew is 6’3″ and about 230#, you’re saying we don’t need that more desperately than anything? As Nilan says we need somebody ‘with a screw loose’ and Stewie is tough.
Yes, I am saying that. With White coming back and Nokia being available he isn’t “adding” anything. We don’t need Stewart for that if that’s all he’s gonna bring. We have guys like Conboy and Schultz among others in the system if all we’re looking for is a tough SOB. What message does it send to the hopefuls in Hamilton who play a similar game and are hoping to make the big club in the near future?
I believe NHL clubs are limited to a max of 50 contracts and I imagine we are likely close to that so maybe that was part of the consideration. Closing in on the deadline, I imagine many other players will be put on waivers as has been the case in the past as teams jockey around their rosters and payroll to make more significant moves. Maybe Mtl didn’t want to burn their position grabbing Stewart when someone more beneficial may become available. Who knows.
Let me ask you this: What is it you thought we would accomplish by getting Stewart? Are we more likely to make the playoffs with him suddenly on the team or something? At this point, adding Malkin probably wouldn’t get us in the playoffs so it can’t be that. Replacing Blunden with Stewart and adding Whitey makes us tougher which is good, but what does it actually DO? We can beat up some other teams plugs more as we finish outside the top-8. Sounds like Toronto Maple Leafs hockey to me.
Thanks, Frank. I figured as much.
Next year. The playoff run I mean. I like Stew, been hoping for a decent GM here for – well, too long to mention. CH should have scooped him a year or two ago.
I’m hoping we bring in a GM that sees things that way
Wow, Halak gives up almost a half a goal a game more than his teammate. That doesn’t sound good. Backup indeed.
You should send Ken Hitchcock an e-mail! Since Christmas, he’s started his backup goalie twice as often as his starter. Is he trying to get fired?
He’s also had to pull him twice as often.
MarkC: Well, 2 pulls vs. 0 is actually undefined or, since it seems you want to portray Halak in a negative light, he has been pulled infinitely more times this season than Elliott.
Shiloh: Apples and oranges comparing Halak and Price. They play for different teams. Both goalies are good, and I’m happy with Eller.
Question, which Hab has had the most impressive season so far, ranking 1-5.
Mine are Cole, Emelin, Price, Patch, DD
Cole, Desharnais, MaxPac, Emelin, Diaz.
I’d agree with that and put Eller at 6th.
1 – Pacioretty
2 – Cole
3 – DD
4 – Emelin
5 – Eller
That’s my order too. Thanks for saving me the trouble.
All 5 have had great-to-relatively good seasons though on a team with not a lot to cheer about.
Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!
See, even stoners get it right once in a blue moon.
vs Expectations of conventional wisdom on this board
vs my expectations
Cole and Emelin have done what I expected, but I was a lot more positive about their contribution than many. Deharnais has very significantly overacheived vs my expectations. Pacioretty somewhat overachieved. Price has underwhelmed a bit. Not bad, and playing behind a weak team, but not stealing games, wininng shootouts or other things that could have flipped this season from Loserville (TM of Cammy) to Mediocretown.
“Et le but!”
Joe the plumber is running for congress! Just saying…..
Is he running against Bob the builder?
I’d love to see a win tonight.
Only one problem, this team has not given us any hope for anything this year. I don’t see why they would start now. Let’s not get our hopes up. This team is probably setting us up for another heartbreaker.
So Comrade Boone doesn’t like Fox News or Tim Thomas politics.
Stick to hockey and footy.
“Everyone’s entitled to their opinion- unless you’re a libertarian hockey goaltender”
You really chose the wrong username and avatar didn’t you?
So suddenly he’s a Communist because he doesn’t like right-wing nutbars?
“And even a wishy-washy small-b Bolshevik like me ”
____________________________________________________”“Everyone’s entitled to their opinion- unless you’re a libertarian hockey goaltender”
Here’s a classic tim can relate to.
Kiss my hAbSS!!!
Fox News is the most successful News Channel in the USA beating all the other Liberal news channels combined. Also Miller is very hilarious and gets together with Bill O’Reilly once a week to poke fun at Liberals. Also no one on Fox News pisses his pants like Chris Matthews when Obama speaks.
No Guts No Glory
Obama makes Chris Matthew’s leg all “tingally”
Whats to like about tea bagging,war mongering,racist greedy fanatical bastards who will try and pull anything outta their arses to try and make a point and whom love too blame others for their own actions!
Your head’s about to explode.
Thanks for proving my point with your barely literate diatribe –
that this site needs to stick to HOCKEY!
And you use a card carrying liberal’s quote as your signature??
Dennis Miller turned conservative after 9/11.
He’s a weekly contributer to The O’reilly factor on Fox news
Very disappointed, his credibility is shoot all to he!!
Sad really, but a major trauma has been know to push people over the edge!
Miller is fiscally/security conservative but is socially liberal on things suchas gay marriage.
I didn’t choose the signature based on his politics- just that it’s so true -opinions are what they are and are subject to being wrong.
I’m a Libertarian, I vote Libertarian here in Canada and if I lived in the US I would be voting Ron Paul. We’re for low taxes and as little Government interference in our daily lives as possible i.e. small government. Libertarian’s disagree with American imperalism.
I am not racist, and I do not support war mongering neo cons. Dems and Republicans are two sides of the same coin.
Your post is misguided and ignorant drivel; the sort of post I would expect from someone who watches way too much CNN, Fox News, MSNBC and most other corporate run media outlets.
I just watched “The Smartest Guys In The Room” again recently, and it shows what happens when we listen to the proponents of small government and deregulation. If anything, I want more regulation, it protects me from greedy bastards who’ll stop at nothing to make a million dollars.
Gotta love Booner on football (Soccer). I too fell in love with it staggering around MTL from Irish pubs to little Italy during world cups. Then I moved back to London and saw the mighty reds at Highbury. The highlight of the match was when Stevie G passed the ball back to a defender and Henry was hiding there and stole tha pass from Stevie for an easy goal. The whole Gunner crowd broke into “There’s only one Stevie Gerrard” Hilarious. If only hockey crowds could ditch ‘Ole Ole’ and think up some great soccer songs. Nothing better than watching an England match in an English pub ( Well only when they scrape a win against Moldovia)
Ooh Aah Habs on the war path
That was a great game this morning ManU 2-1 over Liverpool.
Love Stevie Gee !
But ya those footy supporters on the other side of the pond are pretty witty !
I think Habs supporters are the closest here in NA.
Habs, OLE !
Sounds like no one on either team covered themselves in glory today. That Suarez is a little rat.
The most comprehensive breakdown of the Habs first half of the season you’ll find anywhere: http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/2012/2/10/2718047/habs-first-half-review
Even if you do say so yourself.
That I do. If you can find someone else who spent a month collecting data and analyzing then I’m all ears!
That’s a database put together with scripts from other sites by a program, and there’s zero analysis.
Wow, very dense piece, lots of knowledge in there. I don’t understand any of it. I’ll chip away at it over the next few weeks and see if I can become conversant in Corswick percentage.
Thanks for doing the work.
There are links to two pieces in the introduction with more fleshed out explanations of most of the stats if you’d like. Thanks, it was a lot of work.
I can’t even imagine what would of happened without David Desharnais on this team”and that’s from a fan who’s been yelling for bigger ,fighting forwards!”. The fact is DD has been a blessing and a bargain …never mind inspiring! And has made his critiques look like THE AMATURES THEY TRULY ARE,lol
On a scale of 0 to 10 out of 10, 5 is average.
You assigned precisely two players (Petteri Nokelainen and Mike Blunden) as less than average. How does that make any sense for a team that amassed one of the worst records in the NHL over that time period?
Might want to re-think your rating scale.
LOL, I just read the article and noticed that too. Great assessment
Maybe it’s all on Price and the coaching?
Because it’s evaluating even strength play only, and process, not results.
Not to mention on a GRADING scale, a 5 is a fail. It’s the bottom half of the scale. It means that player gave 50% of what you expect them to give. Aren’t you a teacher? Is your average class grade a 50%?
Might want to re-think your reading comprehension.
Occasionally my average class grade is a 50%…sometimes it is less than 50%. If they don’t achieve the expected result or the established level of performance, they fail. I don’t hand marks out and I certainly don’t set a curve to ensure that only a certain number of people fail.
Kind of incomplete without a proper assessment of goaltending, special teams, home vs road performance etc.
Goaltending isn’t very well broken down with advanced statistics yet but it’s being worked on and isn’t ready.
Home vs Road performance is irrelevant when you’re looking at both combined. Splitting it up into a smaller sample doesn’t do anything productive.
Special teams are on such a small scale that looking at them on a player by player basis half way through a season doesn’t give you anything worthwhile.
So Komisarek is probably out (healthy scratch) for the 6th time tonight, and Gill’s future with us is officially in doubt.
I like Gill. Wherever he ends up, I wish him luck.
Gill’s future (and a few more current Habs) depends on how we do in the next 2 weeks.
To all the 2011 Summiteers.
I received this thank you note to-day from the Canadiens Childrens Foundation.
By next season’s 2012 Summit, HIO Fans will have donated over $10,000.00 to Children’s Charity. We sure are a fantastic community of hockey fans. Great work everyone!
Dear Mr. Cobb,
On behalf of the Montreal Canadiens Children’s Foundation I would like to thank you and your wonderful HIO Fan Group for your generous donation.
Sorry for not getting back to you sooner.
Coordonnatrice, Dons et administration – Fondation des Canadiens pour l’enfance
Coordinator, Donations and Administration – Montreal Canadiens Children’s Foundation
Canadiens de Montréal
MINI SUMMIT 2012!!!!!
Let’s Do It!
Happy Hockey Day in Canada to us.
The Game is the reason we are the way we are up here in The Great White North. It is our identity and no one can take it away from us, not anywhere, not on the ice, the road, the driveway, the gym floor or even the table top.
It is amazing that we will argue and fight ’til we’re blue in the face over the game even though we’re all on the same side (just read HI/O at any given minute).
Let’s raise a cold, cold, cold one to one another today and tonight about 6 to 12 times.
You are my hockey brothers…
Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are pukes.
someone might have drinking problem
I live in CT and play men’s league hockey there. Some of the players, who are primarily Rangers’ fans, were commenting on Gomez’s goal as well as the play of the Rangers’ in general. A few suggested that Gainey should get executive of the year if the Rangers make a run for Cup as he is primarily responsible for Rangers’ resurgence due to the Gomez contract/ McDonough trade.
Hard to argue.
It is plain hilarious that the media are singing Gomez’s praises for scoring a goal when we are paying him $7.5 mm. Any other payer with those stats would be riding the bench in the AHL.
Ridiculous contract, injuries and slumps aside on a purely hockey player for hockey player trade, I’d say it’s pretty even.
A speedy playmaking center with a pocketful of playoff sucesses for a dominant shutdown physical defensive defenceman who can move the puck.
Would you have taken a 1990s Wayne Gretzky for a young Scott Stevens?
On second thought… maybe I’m just trying to justify it as a diehard Habs fan to a Rangers fan.
I like to think I am a realist and objective minded when it comes to the Habs or for that matter any team I follow unlike some of the pollyannas that foolishly comment on the performance and management of the Habs.
I don’t believe Mcdonogh is going to be anywhere near a Scott Stevens..Stevens was a game changer…mcdonagh is a nice piece
A lot of talk on here about A. Stewart. I was one of the many screaming for PG to pick him up.
One of the reasons we’ve had such a poor year is the absolute inability for this team to ice a fourth line that has any positive effect on the game. No hitting, no speed, no fighting, absolutely no game changing ability.
We haven’t had a fourth line in so long that many of our fans, and the media simply forget what type of effect a big, strong, punishing fourth line can have. It can simply win games, provide a lift for the top lines, make fans stand up and cheer, give the team a boost on many nights when the stars are not producing.
A. Stewart could have fit in nicely with White and Blunden on a possible fourth line next year…………..if that is to say we cannot, or don’t try to sign Moen. In the past, our GM’s have made some decisions that simply don’t make sense. Letting Moen go could be one of these. He’s exactly the kind of player we need, but the main problem is a team needs three of them. And with White and the promotion of Blunden, we could have three. But what is probably happening is PG sees Blunden and White as replacements for Moen, forgetting that it only takes one injury to be back right where we started this year, 13th place.
You can never have too many guys who can skate, hit, and pick up for your skilled, smaller, softer players.
PG maybe thinks White and Blunden are enough. Well, if this is the case, once again he’s wrong. Moen should have been signed long ago. White missed the entire year, Blunden is now out for possibly the rest of the year. Moen just came back from injury. Having Darche and Palushaj playing on the fourth line (although I feel Palushaj has some upside) will not cut it next year.
Darche, as his ice time has steadily increased lately, is effective at clogging up a hole in the defensive end, and dumping the puck in at the red line and chasing it down. Problem is, he can’t skate well enough to track it down, and has hands of stone.
Starting the year with White, Blunden, AND MOEN would send a message. Send a message to the rest of the league that we have some size and grit, but with players that can skate, hit, fight, and kill penalties.
More importantly it would send a message to our own team, players like Gio, Patches, Eller, Pk, Gorges, DD, Pleks, Cole, Emelin, Price, Diaz, AK, ……..Players who don’t fight, but play with alot of skill. It would provide space, it could provide a lift, it may provide the fans something to cheer about beyond defensive coverage and the proper type of dump in.
Why is this soooo hard for PG to get thru his thick skull??
Build from the Net, build from the fourth line, the other three lines are pretty much set.
Cole DD Patches
Bourque Pleks (GIO)
AK Eller (GOMEZ- or opening for new player)
White Moen Blunden
Emelin Markov (Kaberle??) or Beaulieu
so you are basically going to put the same team as this year on the ice that is battling for last place? not wise.
Anthony Stewart 237 GP 118 PIM
Stewart is not what the Habs need. If you think he has the “game changing ability”, you are wrong IMO. Ryan White has that ability. I(‘d prefer the Habs go after Shawn Thornton for 4rth line duties with White/Moen/Blunden, one being a healthy scratch if all are available (or Moen filling in with the top 9 when an injury arises). Also, I know Thornton is smaller than a lot of “bruiser” types, but I think he would destroy Lucic, and would love to see it hahaha.
Also, what makes you think DD will continue progressing? He has played well, but is not a top line center IMO. Sophomore jinx is highly likely with this “surprising” player. I see Pleks as our top center with Gionta and AK or Bourque. Eller in the third line role playing a more defensive style. Not bad, but not Cup Contenders with those three up the middle. Honestly, I think there are 7-10 Top line centers in the NHL that are legit, be very tough to land one, but, if it is possible I’d love to see it happen (dropping one of Pleks, DD, Eller).
I too hope Markov can be included in our “core” D, but I fear he is going the route of Pavel Bure rather than Saku Koivu with his knee issues. Man, The D you listed looks pretty damn good with the inclusion of Markov..
I also think Kaberle is worth 4.25, I am not sure why people think he is awful, he isnt strong defending on the rush, or battling for pucks. But, Kaberle is an amazing passer, tape to tape even under pressure.. not all bad.
This team isnt near as bad as their record.
CF, I agree, but PG seems to think White and Blunden will be enough.
MacDougall, Thornton would be great but he’s not available and won’t be. Stewart was, and for nothing.
Thornton is UFA July 1st 2012.
Boston WILL resign him before then.
Amazing how we win three straight and our chances of making the playoffs, according to sports club stats, have gone down to 10.5%.
Just goes to show how hard it is to make up ground in the league today. Not even good enough to win inter-conference games in OT/Shootout anymore.
Beating the leafs tonight in regulation is a must, so it should be a good one! GHG!
Stupid loser point system breeds the frozen standings, they’ve virtually been the same since late October… way to go, Gary!
I resent you calling it a loser point.. I prefer “keeping it close” point.. “almost” point, “kinda, almost won” point, “damn near didd’er boys” point.
That brought a chuckle, good one!
We need White and Markov back asap if we want to be serious about a run for a playoff spot.. I still think it’s possible, chances slim to none, but still doable.
To have any playoff chance the habs will have to win many games by one goal and in o/t…the habs are not a dominant team and the majority of the games will be decided by one or two bounces..the odds of getting these bounces 8/10 games is very slim…as games get even tighter the teams that can produce on the pp will gave a big advantage…
The overtime wins only make sense if they come against teams from the West…otherwise we just give and extra point to the conference rivals we’re battling for playoff spots.
that is true but the chances are all teams will play very tight and probably there will be many o/t teams for all teams….the key will be the pp which has let the team down all year
My nominee for best waiver wire pick-up is Glen Metropolit.
Saw Stewart in Carolina’s game, so he probably was taken off waivers.
“May you live in interesting times.”
Stewart passed through unclaimed, not one team wanted him.
Note to Mr. Hickey: Habs play Ottawa 3 more times over a period of 10 days in late March.
Tired to say tonight is a big game but we have no choice now we must continue to play as if… Actually we could help the Leafs get back to where they belong…in the dumpster.
This may be a pivotal game for the habs. Not that i am aiming for the playoffs cause we must be more modest and realistic about where we belong but a fourth win in a row could be the difference between keeping it all together and falling back.
Everyone must be at work tonight,no passengers. Do not see how we need to be pumped up more than a good old saturday night meeting with the Leafs. For old time`s sake, let`s make them Canada`s Maple laugh again!
So Steve Podborski has been named Chef de Mission for Sochi games. Wow that name brings back some great memories. The year he won the World Cup Downhill, I don’t think I missed watching a single race, every weekend was Crazy Canuck ski weekend. One of my favourite winter memories of all time (non-hockey memory)
Lets beat those lafs tonight and make it 4 in a row!
Go Habs Go
Anyone know if White may be playing tonight ?
It must be soon.
He played the second game of his AHL conditioning stint last night ( 2G + 1A in 2 GP). Hamilton plays in Toronto today and Hamilton tomorrow. He should be back with the Habs first of the week.
Marlies vs. Bulldogs again today Frank. If the Bulldogs win this afternoon you won’t hear a thing about it on CBC. If the Marlies win you will hear Maclean talk about Toronto trying to win the doubleheader.
From last night;
Brendon Gallagher tied the Vancouver Giants franchise record for most goals in a career with his 126th goal.
Gallagher.. best of our prospects for next year, I think.
if the canadiens are actually serious about rebuilding you will see gallagher with the team on the 2nd or 3rd line and Gionta playing in Phoniex next year.
You know something you are dead-on! Gallagher must replace Gionta next year. I hadnt thought specifically about a ‘spot’ for Gallagher but you have it pegged!
Honoring Sundin, you don’t say. Guess I’ll plan on missing the first period. Thanks
I am fed up reading about the Toronto Maple Leafs in the Montreal Gazette. It seems like they run a feature story on the Laffs every second day. Look at a Toronto paper and the results of last night’s Canadien’s game is buried somewhere on page 5 of the sports section.
Try Canoe sport 2 great article first on Habs top all time 5 over any Laff including Sundin and second one on Cammy coming short on expectation in Calgary’s made my morning
Canoe.ca slam sports
So simple…I feel stupid. THX.
Although i agree about the Leafs overcoverage for a mediocre organisation, i am fed up also about the habs overexposure in the medias. On non game days there should be no press conference and no medias at the arena for our sanity. They are looking for stories where there are none.
From Mark DeLarosa of Bleacher report re Habs not picking up Anthony Stewart.
“although he’s having a down year, it should be noted that just about everyone on the Hurricanes roster has seen their production slip.
So, why not take the seemingly minuscule risk needed to pick up Stewart? Is there some can’t-miss prospect in the Habs’ organization that the team is saving a roster spot for? Is Gauthier worried about messing with the chemistry on a 13th-place team? Has Scott Gomez been such a revelation on the wing that there simply isn’t room for a waiver pickup?
Stewart is big, strong and he can contribute. I understand that he isn’t a franchise changer. His best days might even already be behind him. There also may be a reason that 29 other teams passed on him. I simply can’t understand what this team has to lose.
Mind you, there’s very little anyone can understand about this team at this point.”
Response comment from Dee Hoa:
“Ok, so Pierre Gauthier (and 28 other GMs I might add) decided not to pick up a “has-been 3rd line inconsistent player” and you’re calling him clueless and incompetent. That makes a lot of sense.
This team needs top line players who can score to improve. It doesn’t need more support players, because at a 1 million dollar price tag, I’d rather have young guys like Palushaj, White and Blunden (who are just as big and can skate) playing on the 3rd and 4th lines.
Most of all, the team doesn’t need “fans” who are quick to dish out the lame jokes about Gomez and where the team currently is in the standings. Seriously, looks like it doesn’t take much to become a Bleacher Report contributor around here.”.
Which side do you support. I am thinking that Habs biggest need next year is for that consistent 3rd/4th size line which can a) make room for our good present and prospect players and respond to the 3RD period weakness we have ( which could be due from not having real pushback grit). A cheap Stewart for the rest of the season may have given us a headstart. I know we need scoring and defense but I would give our prospects the chance to provide those.. surrouded by 3 or 4 players like Stewart. For one I would have Stewart for 2 yrs rather than Palushaj’s promise.
It would be nice to have had him in the line-up TONIGHT!
Aside: On days like today with games like tonight, Boone’s Blog should start at 6:00AM. What could be more important Boone? Load up the family in the wagon, take them to the Aunt and setup up shop in the basement for the day.
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Stewart is an ineffective player. Remember, Kirk Muller no longer wanted him. That means he’s lazy. He’d be a big coaster on this team. With White about ready, what would be the point?
Maybe not Stewart but for rest of season I would have liked White and Blunden. We wont have Blunden.. so get someone else..even a call-up. I watche dthe Islanders game and, I know we won, but there were many coasters, and it could have been a disaster.
He is a big boy with interesting potential but is now 27 and his 4th NHL team is trying to dump him…raises too many flags!!
I thought picking him up was a slam dunk. The team needs size: check. The team needs forward depth: check. The team needs insulation from the Patrick Kaletas and Chris Neils of this world: check. The team can’t jeopardize its cap situation with pricey additions, especially after the misguided decision to add the pulseless, undead corpse of what used to be a Maple Leaf hero-zero: check (Mr. Stewart has a two year contract under a million dollars per season).
We’ve been hard-pressed to fill out a roster on many nights this season, using guys like Frédéric St-Denis and Andreas Engqvist on our fourth line. It’s not like picking up Mr. Stewart would have created a bottleneck and deprived a talented youngster the icetime he needs to set ourselves up for the future. That’s Tomas Kaberle’s job.
There is clearly something the matter with Mr. Stewart’s reputation among NHL GM”s, but he was a no-risk addition. He could easily have been waivered/cut seeing the modest contract he has.
Reading your post, I wonder even more why it was not done. Many here will scoff at our armchair GMing but I dont think they could refute yor arguments that it would have been a no-risk pick-up.
Your right, you armchair GMs know more than 30 real GMs. There is real risk here, if you “cut” him, Montreal would lose over half a million in cap space over the next two years (not a huge deal, but every bit helps). And if he is a bad seed than waiving him just means adding a bad influence to the Bulldogs who will be loaded with prospects next year.
Isn’t the fact that 30 GMs don’t want to pay him 300K more than league minimum enough evidence that something is really wrong with this kid?
Playing armchair GM is fun. It’s what keeps this site from shutting down.
In light of the Scott Gomez contract and the Tomas Kaberle trade, I still have to assess this risk as relatively small. I don’t disagree with your assessment, you’re not wrong, but neither am I. Weighing all the facts at hand, I’m stumped at why we didn’t pick him up. If I’d been GM for a day, I would have pulled the trigger. In the real world, I respect the professionalism of our management staff and understand that they have access to information that we don’t, and I defer to their judgment. For example, I don’t dump on them for signing Andrei Markov, they took the best decision they could with the information they had. It’s too easy to bray that they screwed up.
But I’m still stumped about Anthony Stewart. And I love to discuss this one.
I just consulted my tea leaves and I see the Habs upsetting the Laffs on Sundin night. No significant injuries for the Habs either.
I wonder if Sundin will show up on time or if he’ll make us wait him out.
McGuire for GM!
Roy for Coach!
Sh*t for Brains!
I consulted my toe nail clippings to your tea leaves… they concur, 4-3 OT. A nail biter.
No overtime please!!!
I keep hearing about Moen being moved. Do you think Black Snake Moen has starred in his last season as a Hab?
I think they should sign him if possible, and if he wants to stay.
[Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.
Yeah, but they can’t hope to sign him i think. they have to sign him before the deadline or trade him.
I love the guy, he’s a noble warrior, but we should trade him now while his value is the highest it will ever be. To resign him will cost more cap space as he enters his thirties and his production starts to diminish. Let’s strike while the iron is hot, get as much as we can for him, and promote some of our youngsters and give them his minutes for the end of this season and beyond.
I think the iron was hottest in December when he was leading the team in goals, but I take your point.
For the team to make the playoffs they’re going to have to run about 40 of the remaining 54 points. They can do it if they get their act together. If they just play like they have all year instead they’ll probably finish 10-11th. If they get their act together they could be pretty hot going into the playoffs. Then everyone will be happy.
If they win tonight may be
So given the hoopla here in the GTA surrounding the “honouring” of Mats Sundin tonight before the game, who is the best Swede player in the NHL of all time.
My vote goes to Lidstrom followed by Salming.
I know Forsberg didn’t have the length of career like Sundin, but for impact player I think Forsberg over Sundin. Seemed to me like Sundin saved his best hockey for his National team, however, that is probably more the result of what his teammates were like in Toronto.
Kind of interesting to hear the fans this week talking about the legacy of Sundin. Alot are still pissed at him for not waiving his NTC thus allowing the Leafs to trade him for a boat load of prospects, picks etc….
Tough one, Forsberg suffers here cause of his lack of longevity but he was very dominating. More so than Sundin or Lidstrom, but because of longevity, Id have to go with Lidstrom
Best Swedes…your choices are pretty spot on.
I would probably go with:
Lidstrom (That Nicklas Lidstrom has never been a finalist for the Hart Trophy basically negates that award…best player of his generation, perhaps one of the best players in history).
Sundin (never, ever got the credit he deserved, even in Toronto)
After that, in no particular order, I’d put Peter Forsberg, Daniel Aldredsson, Hakan Loob (the forgotten man), Markus Naslund, Mats Naslund, Henrik Sedin, Daniel Sedin, Kent Nilsson, Ulf Samuelsson, Henrik Lundqvist, Fredrik Olausson and Pelle Lindbergh in my list.
I’m sure I’m forgetting a couple of doozies in there.
Kent Nilsson sure had some sick talent, always loved to watch him play. To me he is the Swedish Alex Kovalev.
No Kenny Jonsson? very underrated guy and one of the main reason why they did win the gold medal back in 2006.
For whatever reason, I never could get behind Jonsson. Something about him always bugged me.
And of course I did forget a few doozies.
Henrik Zetterberg surely belongs in there. Nicklas Kronwall is earning his way there all the time. Thomas Steen, Thomas Gradin, Patrik Sundstrom, Tomas Sandstrom, etc.
And then there is my favourite Swedish player who never made it in the NHL, Thomas Rundqvist. Only got 2 games with the Habs, but I always loved watching him play in the Olympics and World Championships.
What about Anders Hedberg? Olausson was a pretty good number three D-man, but I’d hardly call him elite.
There’s another one! Completely forgot about Hedberg…very nice player.
As for Olausson, I always felt like he was underrated his whole career. Steady player, good passer. He, Steen and Teppo Numminen were the reasons why the Jets were one of my favourite teams growing up. In terms of Swedish defencemen, being #3 behind Lidstrom and Salming would give you a pretty nice defence corps.
I give my vote for my fave Habs Swede: Mats Naslund. I think he is the last Habs with over 100 points for a season.
It would have been great to have Sundin as a Hab during those lean Koivu years. He would have made one hell of a difference.
Yah Mats was truly a great player, fond memories of him. I just couldn’t be Biased and put him in Top 4 ahead of any of the guys I mentioned. However, far better longevity than Forsberg.
Poor Foppa…he played 50 more games in the NHL than Naslund.
Foppa had about 7 full seasons in the NHL, with another 3 or 4 disupruted by injuries.
Mats Naslund played 8 full seasons and never came back for a lockout-shortened season with the Bruins. It never happened, I tell you!
Mats Sundin is one of the reasons I hated the Leafs until a couple years ago. How he was lionized as one of the greats despite his meager accomplishments is a perfect example of the distorting lens the Toronto-centric media casts on the game. While the player was a fine one, the hype was nauseating, especially in light of how it always turned out in the spring. Mr. Sundin was a talented, at times dominant player, but is bereft of significant accomplishments or trophies in the NHL.
I always felt bad for Sundin. He shared the same burden as Saku Koivu…he was stuck playing with a bunch of chumps.
With the Nordiques, Sundin regularly out-performed his celebrated teammates, including Joe Sakic.
With the Leafs, he was just punished by crappy teammates. Saku Koivu had a legitimate case for suing the Habs management for lack of support, but Sundin’s case against the Leafs management would be a slam dunk.
His best supporting players were Steve Thomas (mid-30’s), Gary Roberts (mid-30’s), Jonas Hoglund, Mike Johnson, Sergei Berezin and Yanic Perreault. That the Leafs were even in a position to have “choked” is a testament to how great Sundin actually was.
There were few forwards in the NHL that were better than Sundin from 1990-2005. Sakic and Jagr, perhaps. For shorter runs, players like Forsberg, Lindros, Roenick and Modano could be considered his equal or superior, but they also benefitted from much stronger supporting casts. For much of his tenure with the Leafs, Sundin was outscoring the next best player on the roster by an impressive 15-30 points.
I agree that he was over-hyped, although this is true of Canadian market. I think the Vancouver market over-hyped the heck out of Bertuzzi during his peak, and Montreal fans are certainly no less guilty of over-hyping players like Koivu or Price.
But beneath all the hype, Sundin was one of the 10 best NHL’ers during his career, and perhaps even top-5. I truly believe that with anything approaching a decent supporting cast, he would have been much more successful.
Beatles vs. Joy Division. Really?
That’s like comparing Pelle Lindbergh to Patrick Roy. Both started around the same time, and both were spectacularly successful. Unfortunately for Lindbergh, he died while Roy went on to a long successful career.
Joy Division was done with just one album released when Ian Curtis committed suicide at age 23 while suffering from intense depression. It has occassionally been postulated that his epileptic seizures were a contributing factor to his depression. To put that in perspective, the Beatles also only released their first album (Please Please Me) when Lennon turned 23.
Plus, Joy Division became New Order.
In any case he should have said The Beatles vs The Smiths.
Regarding The Smiths…I give Marr and Morrissey credit for resisting some of the huge wads of cash they’ve been offered to reunite The Smiths. It’s not like either guy needs to reunite, as they’ve both kept busy. In the meantime, those Smiths albums still stand up…great music.
I’ve always been a fan of the English synth bands (New Order, Depeche Mode, Erasure, Pet Shop Boys). What amazes me is that New Order could have come out of Joy Division. Completely different styles of music. Some of these guys, whether we like their music or not, really are quite brilliant when it comes to what they do.
With the recent spate of Joy Division movies and resurgent interest, I’ve thought about how that band was cut down as they were about to get mondo huge. Ian Curtis was a tragic loss, but this wasn’t a one-trick pony band, they had talent beyond the lead singer-lyricist, as demonstrated by the subsequent output and success of New Order.
Comparables, in terms of offshoot bands going on to artistic/commercial success would be Nirvana begetting Dave Grohl and the Foo Fighters, and maybe the Minutemen begetting fIREHOSE and Mike Watt.
As far as the Smiths, I’m not convinced their remaining resolute in their refusal to reunite in the face of increasingly lucrative offers from promoters is commendable. The band has in the past shown that it’s not above commercial concerns by their practice of launching re-releases and compilations, and the way Morrissey and Johnny Marr cut Andy Rourke and Mike Joyce a smaller share of the proceeds. As the main songwriters they are allowed in the legal sense to do so, but the legal and media squabbles have been unseemly and stained their legacy a little in my eyes.
Bands that endure tend to have a strong cohesion, usually born of being friends as adolescents, and a more equal power relationship. The classic example is Rush, with guitarist Alex Lifeson writing the music, drummer Neil Peart being the lyricist, and bassist and lead vocalist Geddy Lee being the front man and a big part of their signature sound. Other bands like Van Halen and the Police are classic examples of bands that had friction over individual recognition and money.
In any case, it would be monstrous and vile to see Morrissey prancing around crooning Smiths adolescent pathos at his age, in the same neighbourhood of shamelessnes of the Rolling Stones or Elton John. I prefer to think of these guys as they were then, mythical giants who disbanded just as I was discovering them. The only thing that would make me sadder is seeing the Pogues without Shane MacGowan.
Have you seen the film 24-hour Party People? If not I recommend it highly.
Great flick, the on camera dialogue by the main actor (don’t know his name but he also did a great job on ‘the other guys’) was reminiscent of a warped Ferris Bueller’s day off I thought. Excellent flick.
I did, excellent movie. I also saw the film ‘Control’, I recommend it highly.
Interesting article – “Why are NHL officials so bad? ”
☞ “Talent is a gift from God, but you only succeed with hard work. Yvan was proof of that.” – Jean Beliveau. ☜
Prediction time (because it’s fun)
Habs and Sabres get in.
Panthers and Leafs are a NO
that would be fun indeed
I like the sound of that… AND far stranger things have happened!
In 1987 I scored 7 goals in one game against Sherwood Parkdale. We won 11-4 (PEI Midget A). It’s the only game I remember from my rookie year.
My son and I was driving home from Virden, MB two weeks ago. As I was driving around the Kemney corner, there was a van parked on the side of the road. Two men in there forties were standing on the driver’s side with their ***** hanging out. One hand holding their beer, the other holding their ***** and peeing on the road. I’ve seen people pee on the side of the road before, but never into traffic. Matthew (son) and I did a double take, and then laughed like little girls. Man was that ever strange.
That would be extreme icing on the cake. I’m loving that kind of finish, Shane.
The-Streak-of-the-Apocalypse™ bodes well for us Hab fans. No worries until December 21st, right?
That’s the plan Stan
OK time to watch some Switchback!
I can just feel the ultimate insult to injury coming…
After this laughing stock of a season, geting stuck with another bad contract like Kaberle so Carolina can move Spacek at the deadline and get a high pick, trading Cammy in the middle of a game, a GM firing an asst coach, Darche playing 20 mins a game and leading all forwards except Moen, ay yay yay, I can see the Habs banging out enough wins that they will pick 10th.
It’s well documented on here the distaste for the last 10th overall pick we had, which by the way, should be signed by now IMO if the rumours I read are correct about the money
Did you just say that Carolina will move Spacek for a high pick? You mean picks in the 7th round in the 200’s correct?
You do now he’ll most likely retire after the season is done. I suppose he could hang on until 40 with, ah, hmm, like, OK someone help me out here, where will he be next year?
Funny Answer- Montreal for 3 mil 3 years.
I agree with you. I distinctly remember many here saying how dumb the leafs were for playing hard and not tanking and finishing ninth, now it appears to be ok for the habs to do the same. If habs make the playoffs, itd be a miracle. 4 teams have to have ordinary finishes and the habs need to have a spectacular finish.
Cat what’s interesting about your comment is that I don’t doubt 4 teams will have ordinary finishes, just not sure the Habs can have a spectactular finish. To me the only way that happens is if Andrei Markov makes a return and is healthy.
HEY, KNOCK OFF THE HALF FULL CRAP THESE GUS NEED TO LOSE…… (Shane walks in, drags the Tank Commander outside, it’s -37, sits him on the backyard rink and floods the ice which freezes in 3.6 seconds).
New game all…….stay tuned.
Playoff poll up to 26%, liquor sales up 200%. But still, you at least have to cheer them on, one cliched shift at a time.
I have been a Spurs fan since I started watching the game, and a Celtic fan if you like the 2 team Scottish League.
Although to be fair, the Premier League only has 5 teams competing for the top spot each year.
Why are we always defending free speech for morons and people who hide behind that right?
Just a feeling… the Habs beat the Laffs again
That’s a good feeling you got there!
Note to Mr. Hickey: it’s Jonas Gustavsson, not Magnus.
How often does Tim (am I right? is it Tim) sing this to you?
HAPPY HOCKEY DAY IN CANADA EVERYONE
What’s our magic number?
Dear Mtl Canadiens,
Please beat Boston to tie the season series. You are about to cost me three bottles of rum in a little over a year.
Win today and I guarantee two wins for next week and at the same time, the Leafs lose all three road games next week.
I’m more afraid of Winnipeg than any other team from the bottom. Well maybe the Sabres too.
Who am I kidding, I’m not afraid of anything OK that’s not true either. Hitting IEDs, and then waiting for that ol man or kid on a bike trying in get into the ****** zone.
I love Civy Life!
I ain’t in the mood to take any prisoners!!!!
“It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”
heh, well then I hope you enjoyed the movie poster.
When did have your first “Tea-bagging experience” ?
Sounds like you’re an expert
Gotta agree with Strummer. The only thing exploding is Obama’s head if he has to do any math. He’s to busy golfing and taking vacations to worry about running the USA. BTW all you liberals would be up in arms if Bush or Harper spent $90,000.00 flying the family dog to Hawaii for the Obama’s vacation in a seperate plane. I guess no room in Air Force One or Michelle’s seperate plane for the dog.
Tea Party wants smaller Gov’t less taxes
Democrates want larger Gov’t and be able to spend your money better than you can. Just like the NDP.
“When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.”
“experience [has] shown that, even under the best forms, those entrusted with power have, in time and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.”
habs-fan-84: What has experience shown us about societies where government regulation has been weakened? You should be able to find some good quotes on that, too, if you want to be objective about the discussion.
You mean like Greece, Italy. Ireland almost all EU countries which went with the Socialist Dream of Big Government and are now bankrupt and can’t pay their bills. But yes it is of course the fault of Capitalism.
Chris: What form of govn’t regulations? Clearly, when regulations are absent, peoples animal spirits take over, and all will act in their own self interest. Government should provide a basic framework (think regulations) and conducive environment (think taxes) for which for free enterprise can prosper IMO
Nah, I meant more places like Afghanistan. Or Iraq. Or Sudan. Or Rwanda.
Although I will confess that it is somewhat telling that your “worst-case” scenario is countries who can’t pay their bills. If we’re going by that, we better start to put the U.S., U.K. but most especially Japan on the “failed state” list.
habs-fan-84: I’m not a big fan of relying on the altruism of my fellow man, which is why I think that you need government. I freely confess that government must be kept of a very short leash and that is why it saddens me so much to see how apathetic and disengaged people have become regarding the political process.
Time and time again, people have shown a stunning disregard for their fellow humans. I’m sorry, but I simply have zero faith in a system where I’m forced to rely on the foresight, altruism and social conscience of my fellow citizens.
I truly believe that Libertarianism gives too much credit to the capacity of people to overcome their own innate selfishness.
Fair enough Chris, a lot of what you say I agree with. Again, as a Libertarian I’m not for abolishing all regulation so much as I am for eliminating much of the unnecessary bureaucracy in modern day government.
I do believe to a certain extent however, that over time and in the long run a society in which each individual is working in their own self interests can accomplish more than you give it credit for. The opportunity to profit provides incentive to achieve much, as Adam Smith wrote:
“It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own self-interest. We address ourselves not to their humanity but to their self-love, and never talk to them of our own necessities, but of their advantages”
Tere was some pundit/writer who consistently referred to him as “Not Joe the Not Plumber” Was it Larry O Donnell? I think that captured it all.
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