Canadiens go back to work

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The team will be on the ice in Brossard at 10:30 Tuesday morning.
Hockey Inside/Out will be there to shoot video and record Jacques Martin’s media briefing.

Dave Stubbs on Tim Thomas

Boone on the sound of silence

Louis Leblanc off to hot start

Pierre Durocher’s October report card

Marc de Foy: On to the next crisis

François Gagnon on the return of Markov and the future of Gomez

Red Fisher on the 1972 Summit Series

Roy MacGregor on the Battle of Ontario

Hey, how about hiring this guy next time the Bruins are at the Bell Centre?

107 Comments

  1. podbay says:

    .: Too many bad trades and non-resignings continue to drive me nuts. McDonaugh is just one of them. Why PG chose not to resign Dominic Moore still grates at my nerves. Same with Glen Metropolit. Players with heart and soul and guts. Anyone else noticed that Marc-Andre Bergeron is leading TBL in points, and is 12th in league scoring at the moment?

    I wonder if Gomez has considered going to Gauthier and asking him to chop off a couple million from his contract, to ease the salary cap pressure. Wouldn’t that be a modern miracle?

  2. Neutral says:

    If JM changes any center on the 1st, 2nd, 3rd line for Gomez we’ll start losing again you mark my words. when something is working leave it alone until we start losing and I don’t mean one game. Gomez centering the 4th line that’s where I’d start him, That’s just what the 4th line needs. a playmaker. make ajustments when necessary. don’t look at what Gomez is getting paid. we’re stuck with that no matter what line he’s on. look at the good of the team not one player…..

    • petefleet says:

      I get that you don’t like Gomez and his unique set of skills but, he is no more a 4th liner than Max Pac is and he will not be put on the 4th line. If anything, and I highly doubt this, he will be sent down to Hamilton, like souray was last year. That said, Gomez was in the lineup when the team was doing all it’s winning last year. This year’s woes are a result of the team not playing like a team until recently. And even the last 3 games they won have shown areas that need improvement. It’s not all on one or two guys.

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    • Tony McLean says:

      So you’re bumping Nokelainen for Nomez?
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      When Gandhi Gauthier and Mohandas Martin took over from Bob ‘BGL’ Gainey things went from bad to wuss.

    • mr_jmac says:

      My guess is that you’ll see Gomez back centering the second line and DD will be bumped to the wing replacing Darche on the 4th line and used on PP.

  3. jimmy shaker says:

    Budaj on Friday, and if he gives up 1 or none give him Saturday as well, since Price is usually a little off vs the gers in his career!

    Shaker

    • habs03 says:

      Not sure if your serious? By Fridays the Habs would have had about 6 days off, Price can easily play both games. And no he does not usually play bad vs the Rangers, he had 1 bad game last year vs them.

      • jimmy shaker says:

        So you want Price to play in 75 games again this year? That worked out real well for the team last year!

        Shaker

        • habs03 says:

          75 games is a lot, but with Price’s size, he can handle it, and it did work out for the team pretty well last year, 6th in the East with all the injuries, Price play was very good in the playoffs, so I don’t see how him playing 72 games last year had anything to do with our playoff exist. But you are right, I won’t mind if Budaj gets a start Friday or Saturday, because he is a decent goalie and he showed it last game, but your suggestion that Price not play either games this week, I disagree with, specially when you use the excuse that Price doesn’t play well vs the Rangers, when last year in 3 games he played he went 2-1, he gave up: 1 goal in the 1st game, 2 goals in the 2nd game, and 5 in the last. I see two great games and 1 bad game.

          • jimmy shaker says:

            No other goalie not named brodeur of belfour has won a cup while playing more than 70+ regular season games for their respective teams in the last 30 years. Yes Carey played great and was the main reason the boys did as good as they did last year…….but in the end its about winning cups, and the boys are coming up on 20 years soon since they last hoisted the cup. That’s my main worry! Budaj was brought in to spell Price more than Auld did last year, so they need to use him, and 1 game in 11 is not a good ratio. And I guess Price was better than I thought vs the gers…..I think I’m just remembering that last game in the gardens. I would just like JM to go with Budaj, and if he performs well (either a 1 goal allowed or a doughnut) throw him back in again on Saturday, and give Price the young gun oilers on Tuesday. Budaj can handle the back to backs as well……..I’m pretty sure he took over the reighns from our old favourite #33 and did a more than decent job in the mile high city.

            Shaker

          • habs03 says:

            I agree that Budaj was bought in to pay a little more than Auld did last year, but I think the poor start has forced to play Price more than would he would have liked, but I think coming off 6 days off vs Eastern teams is not the time to play Budaj. I’d give Budaj a start Nov 10th vs the Yotes and than again Nov 16th vs the Canes.

        • Malreg says:

          I’d be fine with 65-70 games. There’s no reason to start your backup goalie after a 6 day rest, against a team that has won 6 games in a row.

          • jimmy shaker says:

            If your fine with 65-70 games, then that means Budaj needs to get penciled in sooner than later. He’s on pace for what, about 8 starts….that’s less than Auld played last year. He was brought here as a step up from Auld, so use him. Ottawa is playing out of their skin right now, they will soon settle down and move into the cellar where they belong.

            Shaker

        • Sharks9 says:

          How did it work out poorly? He had the best GAA and SV% out of all the goalies in the first round.

          25 before 14

          • jimmy shaker says:

            And his counterpart in that first round was the one hoisting stanley, the conn smyth and the vezina! What would you rather have?

            Shaker

          • Tony McLean says:

            He folded against the Brunes with a 2-0 series lead. Served up more pies than a cow with diarrhea. 70 games or less please.

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            When Gandhi Gauthier and Mohandas Martin took over from Bob ‘BGL’ Gainey things went from bad to wuss.

      • Jordio-oh says:

        He is right about Price and the Rangers.

        His numbers against the Rangers are the among the worst against any team where he has made at least 5 starts.

        3.22 with a .909.

        Still, I agree with you. Price should be able to handle both games. He’ll have two days of rest afterward.

  4. RGM says:

    Movember has arrived! Anybody else participating this year? Wonder if we’ll be seeing some Habs with a little something extra on their faces during the post-game scrums.

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  5. Lafrich says:

    Looks like some great reading, but SORRY, I am over my 30-day limit of reading Gazette articles. What hogwash! How dare you guys post links to a PAY SITE!

    • RGM says:

      The nerve of hard-working journalists (and Boone) to work for a for-profit organization.

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      • avatar_58 says:

        As has been said of my local newspaper (and I did email to complain, as well as boycott the website) – tough. Deal with it. In this day and age news is free online. Either find a way to survive or close up shop.

        Why in the world would I pay for habs articles and news I can get elsewhere for free? Yeah that’s right, I wouldn’t. It’s not my problem their business model isn’t working.

    • Malreg says:

      A) Try deleting your cookies and then try again.

      B) HIO is owned and ran by the Gazette, so they can link articles to the Gazette all they want…

    • Mattyleg says:

      Any time that window opens that tells me stuff, I just close it.
      Never been told I can’t read articles.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • colin_nowra says:

      When i see that i just open up Chrome, Or the iPad.

    • Tony McLean says:

      Amen.

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      When Gandhi Gauthier and Mohandas Martin took over from Bob ‘BGL’ Gainey things went from bad to wuss.

  6. habs03 says:

    Gomez is going to be the reason why we make the playoffs! lol just kidding, but its crazy how Gomez teams have made the playoffs all 11 years he has been in the NHL.

  7. mjames says:

    Just watch when Gomez returns. JM will force Gomez onto the 2nd line as well as the PP and PK. Martin will be forced to either sit or reduce the playing time of some players who are performing in a superior fashion. JM will break up the 2nd , 3rd and more importantly the 4th line to accommodate an inferior player. A coaching move like this is another reason why we will not win the cup.

    Molson, Gainey and PG – Just admit you made a $40mm mistake not to mention giving Higgins and McDonough away.

    mjames

    • Mattyleg says:

      Yeah. Higgins has been AMAZING with all the teams he’s been with.
      The only time he looked anywhere near where he was when he started with us was when he joined the best team in the league.

      Even Pouliot would’ve done well with the Canucks at the end of last season.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • Mike Boone says:

        The addition of McDonagh was the killer. 21-plus minutes Monday night, including PP and PK

        Mike Boone
        Hockey Inside/Out blogger
        Gazette City columnist
        mboone@montrealgazette.com

      • Jordio-oh says:

        I think you’re being a little too hard on Higgins in an attempt to expose the overreaction of the poster above.

        Although he sucked with the Rangers, Higgins has been quite a serviceable player for the Panthers and Canucks. Good wheels, solid penalty killing. When he doesn’t try to do too much, I find he can be valuable to his team.

        But, I will admit I’ve always been a fan of Higgins, for reasons I have a hard time defending, hah.

      • Tony McLean says:

        No he wouldn’t have.

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        When Gandhi Gauthier and Mohandas Martin took over from Bob ‘BGL’ Gainey things went from bad to wuss.

  8. zak says:

    The only time Gomez won’t hurt the team is when he’s not with the team

    Hire the best regardless of language

  9. WindsorHab-10 says:

    Tim Thomas, a class act no doubt. The rest of the Bruins? well………..

    “Hate Bruins like a sickness”

    • Tony McLean says:

      Not true, he shat on the Canadiens *after* winning the opening round last spring. No class.

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      When Gandhi Gauthier and Mohandas Martin took over from Bob ‘BGL’ Gainey things went from bad to wuss.

  10. 24 Cups says:

    We’re past the ten game mark, so it’s time to look at some scoring trends. The names that jump out at me are: Michalek, Bergeron, Hopkins, Legwand, Jagr and Selanne.

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/statistics/?show=skaters&sortcol=7&sortdir=desc&prefilter=0-0

  11. G-Man says:

    Boone- you’ll find the sound of silence by the Cenetaph in Ottawa on the 11th at the 11th hour, to remember when the men and women of Canada twice rose up to quench evil lest it spread world-wide.
    I will find that silence near Place du Canada at that same time and hour. It will be a crowd of nearly 5000 that do this on a day that should be a National Holiday. 1 day of 365 must be remembered by us, the citizens that benefit from our Armed Forces services. Without them, our democracy would be a hollow shell.

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    When in doubt, blame PP.

    • Tony McLean says:

      “Cenotaph.” (Women???)

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      When Gandhi Gauthier and Mohandas Martin took over from Bob ‘BGL’ Gainey things went from bad to wuss.

    • Natrous says:

      I fully agree, the memorial service in Ottawa is something that all those who live in the nation’s capital should experience at least once in their lifetime, if not on a regular basis.

      I have no clue why the government will create a statutory holiday to honour famlies (with Family Day), and not for remembrance of the many wars fought and the countless lives lost, on behalf of all of us and future generations.

  12. montreal ace says:

    Kyle Turris or Theo Peckham to Montreal is it possible without blowing up the team and not missing the playoffs.

    • J_P says:

      If we trade for turris we obviously have to give up a center, otherwise it will totally set our organizational depth chart out of whack. I think the price would far outweigh the benefits. Turris hasnt proven anything yet.

      As for Peckham, Edmonton doesnt exactly have depth on defense. I could see them maybe flipping him to us for a Yannick Weber, but I dont think I would make that deal.

  13. HabFanSince72 says:

    The point is not to tank, but to avoid constantly trading prospects and picks in order to remain slightly above average. Assemble your team in July and Sept and go with it. If you have injuries call up some youngsters.

    The only time to make deadline deals is when you are a legit cup contender.

    • mjames says:

      In my opinion you have identified the main reason why we have not won the cup during the past 15+ years. The majority of our player moves are based on some flawed short term objective. I agree you deal players when you have a legitimate shot at a long playoff run. If I am Molson I would be asking what my GM’s philosophy is. It is obvious the one they are following is too short sighted with no discernible long term objective. This lack of patience has resulted in discarding players who can help us in the longer term.

      mjames

    • 24 Cups says:

      Well said, HFS72. However, we don’t make the playoffs the past two years without the Moore and Wiz trades.

      On the other hand, Gainey thought we had a real run for the Cup during the anniversary time period which led to giving up two 2nds and a 1st. What did we get in return? Failure.

      Unless Markov returns, we’re not going to win a Cup this year. In that case, I agree with you. We shouldn’t trade top end picks just to finish 8th.

    • J_P says:

      Couldnt agree more.

    • Mattyleg says:

      HF, any team that makes it into the playoffs is a legit contender.

      Two years ago, we weren’t considered legitimate, but we made it to the ECF. Edmonton made it into the playoffs on the last day of the season in 2006, and went to the finals. Etcetera etcetera.

      When was the last time the Stanley Cup Finals were played between the #1 team in the East vs. the #1 team in the West? (that’s actually a good question…)

      Getting players before the deadline is a great idea. We have traded picks in the past, sure, but so has everyone else. That’s the way it’s done. We haven’t gone the Brian Burke way, but nobody in their right mind would do that.

      I’m all for bulking up the team for a good run at the playoffs.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • RGM says:

      It comes down to how the team assesses itself and its prospects for a playoffs run. Whereas many just look at the standings, see the team in 6th, and say, “Well they may steal a round but there’s no point in trying to upgrade for the next six weeks plus playoffs,” the team itself may have a different assessment. Recall that last year at the trade deadline the Habs were still in a strong position to catch the Bruins and take the division title. They went 7-3-0 in the first ten games in March, but then they had that horrible week from hell where they didn’t score a goal, including a 7-0 drubbing at the hands of the Bruins that pretty much sealed the division for them. The point is that the club and the organization believed it possible to catch the B’s and secure a top 3 spot. Had that happened, they go into “legit Cup contender” status on the strength of the goaltending and strong team game.

      Obviously last year didn’t turn out that way. It’s easy in retrospect to say that the team mortgaged a bit of the future to finish “slightly above average” but a team evaluating itself during the course of a playoffs drive always has to have the mentality that a key addition (or subtraction) can put them into that legit contender status. The window for success in the NHL can be small, and it’s very difficult to assess exactly when your window is opening, or closing.
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  14. Thomas Le Fan says:

    Markov’s injuries, and Gorges’ to a lesser extent, have been huge. Gomez is our cross to bear. Unless they’ve been very lucky, every team has one now and then. Sometimes, we’re just too focused on our own difficulties to see the larger picture. The 5-5-1 Canucks have Luongo the head case. The Bruins are 3-7 and are nothing but head cases. It’s a different league every season. Generals lose wars when they are only prepared to fight the last one.

    • Tony McLean says:

      This is a Puritan idea, that we *have* to keep Nomez. Flush the t*rd. Cleanse the body Canadien.

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      When Gandhi Gauthier and Mohandas Martin took over from Bob ‘BGL’ Gainey things went from bad to wuss.

      • Lawrencetown Liquor Pigs says:

        I kind of agree. If the rest of the league thinks this management team plays dirty pool it’s the best chance there is, and probably the best chance the MGT team has.

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        They lost me 2 quarts of rum, better make it up next year with a cup!

  15. JF says:

    Before shipping Gomez off to Hamilton, I think we should give him a chance. Ease him back into the lineup, maybe on the third line, see how it goes and how Eller and Desharnais perform. If it doesn’t work, then consider Hamilton. I’ve never been a fan of the Gomez trade, and I thought the inclusion of MacDonagh was disastrous and should have been totally unnecessary, but I still wouldn’t crucify the guy without giving him a fair chance. That said, I think this has to be his last year with the Habs. Other teams try to correct their mistakes; we have to do the same.

    • J.J. of Turku says:

      At the time there was a lot of speculation, that Gomez was the main reason to get Gionta and Cammalleri to Habs. Correct me if I’m wrong (again) :D

      http://media.turku.fi/kamera1.html

      • JF says:

        That suggestion keeps popping up, but I’ve always thought it was nonsense, and there’s never been any corroboration of it. Gionta and Cammalleri signed for the money and term. I doubt any other team would have given Gionta 5 years at 5 million, and we offered Cammalleri more than Toronto did. Gomez was probably the best centre available at the time, but the trade was still lopsided. The Rangers got rid of an albatross of a contract and acquired a very good defensive prospect. We took on the albatross and lost both Higgins and MacDonagh.

      • 44har48 says:

        I firmly believe that to this day JJ. He was a necesary evil to get real FA to come here because at the time, they had no hope of any young guys coming up and saving the day. The Habs had not picked #1 5 years in a row (slight exageration :)) like the Pens and/or Edmonton, Chicago, etc. What they did pick in the draft was either not ready or not worthy of NHL ice time.

        I loved Saku and wish he would never have blown out his knee, he would have been as special a hockey player as he was a person. Having said that, I believe no FA wanted to come and play with him, the Habs had to get somebody to attract others if they wanted to avoid sinking to the bottom of the league while they wait on their young talent.

        Many have argued this point, but it is well documented the numerous FA misses by the Habs prior to Gomez and the plethera of FA they were able to sign right after acquiring him. Some great, some not so great. I must also add off topic, doesn’t Spacek look much better finally playing the side he played his whole career instead of being forced to play the opposite side on D, for over 20 mins a game (but I digress)??

        I will say this though. I had an opportunity to see both Max Pac and Ryan Mac in Placid during the Jr evaluation camp and I was not alone in thinking they were the best players on the ice outside of Patrick Kane. Those three were obviously going to be solid NHLers, as obvious as it was Fischer was not going to make it. I still recall these two scouts in front of me walking down the back stairwell gushing over the Max and Mac. Including Macdonough, knowing Sather was turning Gomez into Gaborik adn nobody else wanted Gomez, was a travesty.

        • Chris says:

          Let’s look at that well-documented list:

          Daniel Briere: home-town guy who wanted nothing to do with the pressure of playing at home. See Cammalleri, Mike.

          Ryan Smyth: Signed with Colorado for 5 years and $31 M, a massive over-spend for a good but not great player. Essentially, he got more money than Cammalleri for having two career seasons (36 goals, 65-70 points) immediately post-lockout, when everybody’s scoring was nuts. Before that, a reasonable expectation was 25 goals and 60 points per season. That’s a pretty big chunk of change for that kind of production. Smyth has also shown a preference for teams in the Western Conference (Edmonton, Colorado, Los Angeles, Edmonton).

          Marian Hossa: Wanted a shot to play with a contender, so he signed with Detroit for 1 year at $7.45 M. Reportedly turned down 5 years at $7 M per season from the Penguins and a long-term deal with an average salary of $9 M from the Oilers. Montreal wasn’t even an afterthought in that discussion, Gomez or not. We simply weren’t able to offer the same kind of coin, and we certainly coudn’t offer the potential to contend that the defending Stanley Cup champions could.

          The “free agents didn’t want to play with Koivu” narrative is insulting. Koivu had nothing to do with it, just as Gomez had nothing to do with it. Montreal had more cap space than anybody else and great opportunities for big-name free agents after the house-cleaning. Ergo, we were successful in signing Cammalleri and Gionta.

          What I find amusing is that people continually overlook that the Habs were able to successfully sign one of the big fish just 2 years earlier (Roman Hamrlik) because they offered a huge contract to him that nobody wanted to match. But his signing doesn’t fit with the narrative, so it is always ignored.

      • RGM says:

        Even if it was true on July 1, 2009, it shouldn’t have any bearing on the 2011-12 Montreal Canadiens. Brian Gionta is the captain of the team and Mike Cammalleri is an important element in the team’s success. Both are under contract to the Canadiens until the end of the 2013-14 season. Regardless of any player personnel moves between today and that time, including those of Gomez, should (emphasis on “should”) have zero impact on their commitment and dedication to the Montreal Canadiens organization.

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      • Tony McLean says:

        That was then, this is now. He’s cut his own throat.

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        When Gandhi Gauthier and Mohandas Martin took over from Bob ‘BGL’ Gainey things went from bad to wuss.

  16. Ian Cobb says:

    A note from Rejean Houle about our Summit Children’s Charity donation.

    Dear Mr. Cobb,
    It is our pleasure to offer you a team signed hockey stick for your event at Baton Rouge.

    Please note that Réjean Houle will bring the stick and meet your group at the restaurant November 19.

    Hope everything goes well for your HIO group again this year and don’t hesitate to contact me for more information.

    Best regards

    Sylvie Nadeau
    Canadiens de Montréal

    CANCELLATION–WHO WANTS TO JOIN US!
    Two Summit game tickets, two Hall of fame tickets and two reservations for the raffle and pre game dinner at the Baton Rouge. Plus all the other events.
    Total Price $170—–Call Ian at 613-968-9807

    Our 5th annual 2011 Hab’s Fan Summit is fast approaching, Nov. 18, 19, 20.

    Everyone is welcome to any of our events, just identify yourself as a HIO member. But for the Raffle and pregame dinner, you must let me know well in advance for reservations.

    ITINERARY
    Friday night at Hurley’s pub on big screen Hamilton Bull Dogs playing at the Bell Center.

    We are staying at the Novotel hotel, discount rates at 866-861-6112

    We will all meet and greet at Hurley’s pub Friday eve. Some of us will be having supper there, and name tags will be given out as we watch the Bull Dogs on the big screen playing at the Bell Center..
    Everyone is welcome to join us. Ware you team colors! and enjoy the evening.

    Saturday morning, breakfast is at Chez Cora’s at 8:30am. You can order a la cart and everyone gets 15% discount off your bill.

    After breakfast we walk over to the Bell Center for the Hall of Fame Tour at 10:30am and the Bell Center Tour is at 11:30am. You need to purchase a $5:50 ticket for the Bell Center tour.

    After the tours there will be a professional presentation and press conference put on by former concussed hockey players. Kerry Goulet, Keith Primeau and other players who are Involved in educating the effects of concussion, depression and neurology rehabilitation.
    (location is the Novotel hotel, just up the street)

    At 3pm the Children’s Foundation charity raffle at the Baton Rouge rest. bring one item to donate each if possible, so everyone gets a gift to go home with. We have raised over $6000 to date.
    Then our pre game dinner. With guests.

    After that we walk across the street to the Ranger and Hab game.

    After the game the 2nd floor of Hurley’s pub is reserved for us again, to celibrate the win. Anyone may join us, just identify yourself as a HIO member.

    Please be generous with your charity raffle gifts and your purchase of raffle tickets. It is a way for the HIO community to give back to less fortunate kids. Our group HIO fans have raised over $6000 to date for the kids.

    Enjoy talking hockey and meeting your wonderful HIO community at this years Summit.

    See ya there.

    Ian Cobb
    HIO Fan Summit Organizer (613-968-9807) if you need anything.

    • Bryan says:

      Hey Ian,

      I might be interested in the pair of tickets for my girlfriend and I. Is there an e-mail I can contact you at for more info?

      Thanks!

      _______________________________

      The Habs are making me slightly less bi-polar.

  17. Habfan10912 says:

    As good as the Eller trade now looks it pales in comparison as to how bad the Gomez trade looks. I don’t know what the resolution will be but I do know that by giving him top 6 minutes it compounds the problem.

    • CanadienBoy says:

      Gagnon and Foy are dead on about Gomez and i wounder if this teams
      getting along better without him next ? what happen if he go down unclaimed and we loose a center to injury ,who do we call back ?

      • Bill J says:

        Leblanc


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        Go Habs Go!

        • DearyLeary says:

          When he’s playing right wing in the AHL? How does that make sense?

          • CanadienBoy says:

            They is very few young center that can step up at NHL level at center in the league let along for the Habs

        • 24 Cups says:

          Leblanc doesn’t appear to be a centre anymore and he certainly needs to spend the entire season in Hamilton. We don’t want another MaxPac rush job. The kid has played a few good games in the AHL. Big deal.

          Leblanc can attend camp next season and we’ll see where he’s at. The main thing to remember with him is that he has played very little high level hockey. He also needs to bulk up a bit.

          A lot will depend on what AK46 does this summer in terms of re-signing.

      • Tony McLean says:

        “lose”

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        When Gandhi Gauthier and Mohandas Martin took over from Bob ‘BGL’ Gainey things went from bad to wuss.

  18. 24 Cups says:

    Niklas Kronwall of Detroit has signed for seven years with a cap hit of $4,750,000 per season.

    http://www.freep.com/article/20111031/SPORTS05/111031026/Red-Wings-agree-7-year-deal-Niklas-Kronwall?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|Sports|s

  19. otter649 says:

    And people forget how brutal the refferring was when the Russians had Dubowski (sp) doing the games but since Canada won it is usually forgotten when discussing the series……..

    • 24 Cups says:

      The Summit Series was a life and death struggle for Canada. We made a heroic comeback in the final game but were basically embarrassed by the Soviets. We took the series way too lightly as we were totally unprepared. We had to resort to breaking a guy’s ankle to ensure victory. There were certainly a few heroes for Canada but Ken Dryden wasn’t one of them. Just like in the New Year’s Eve game, he let in a few soft goals that let his team down.

      The emotional experience of the series makes today’s Bruin-Hab tilts look like a picnic. It was a once in a lifetime occurence that I will never forget.

      • G-Man says:

        People talk about how great Tretiak was in that Series, but his GAA was 4.15
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        When in doubt, blame PP.

      • Tony McLean says:

        Surprised (at first), not embarrassed. The proudest hockey moment(s) ever.

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        When Gandhi Gauthier and Mohandas Martin took over from Bob ‘BGL’ Gainey things went from bad to wuss.

  20. Bash says:

    Can’t we throw some cash in with Gomez and a Dman…Is it simply the cost of his contract this year that is the sticking point? Or does he have no value to nay team??

    “If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.” (anon)

  21. HardHabits says:

    Francois Gagnon suggests Gomez’ absence isn’t felt on the ice or the locker room however suggests that his presence when he returns could still be a boon…

    for the Hamilton Bulldogs that is.

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    Red Fisher and PM Harper seem to gloss over one inconvenient truth about the Summit Series. The Russians were a better team and played a better system and their players were in much better shape. Take away Bobby Clarke’s vicious slash on Valeri Kharlamov’s ankle and this series would have been won handily by the Russians. Clarke should have been ejected from the series at the very least.

    Nice revisionism.

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    Of course I disagree with Marc De Foy’s contention that the Habs would need to tank as long and hard as other team’s did. Nevertheless it’s nice to see that at the very least the idea is no longer taboo or sacrilege. If the Habs are to finish middle of the pack ad nauseum and if they are unwilling to sink before they soar they should at the very least IMO compensate the rental moves and make more trades like the one that sent Rivet to San Jose for Gorges and a 1st round pick (Pacioretty). If the Habs are intent on always making the final play-off spot it is highly unlikely they will ever finish in the top 5 and have little chance of winning a Cup unless they maximize returns. Journalists are at least talking about the draft lottery, which is nice to see them breaking this taboo.

    After 3 consecutive wins it might not be the time to mention it because the most devout adherents will be looking for stones to cast but the bottom line is the Habs need to be more creative in order to land choice young talent which is all too often only available early in the 1st round.

    • Habsrule1 says:

      I just don’t think it’s that easy to tank. Would the Habs have to let their best players sit or trade them all for younger players and picks? Do they keep a very young core and let Gomez, Gionta, Cammalleri, etc walk? I’m guessing that is the only way to do it, and even that doesn’t guarantee we finish in the bottom 5, considering how good Price is.

      I’m not disagreeing or trying to be rude. What would the best plan be if they did want to “tank”.

      Cheers.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

      • HardHabits says:

        To be honest tanking has to be a last resort.

        My contention is this: If the Habs are out of the play-offs by the trade deadline at 20th or worse I don’t agree with mortgaging the future, in other words to give up picks and prospects for a rental or two, merely to come in at the final spot (or worse miss the play-offs at 9th) only to be unceremoniously ousted in the 1st round. There were too many times in the past when the Habs were out if it and they still played for that last spot.

        The Habs are top heavy with UFA signings whereas IMO a contender needs to built primarily via the draft.

        • Habsrule1 says:

          Thanks HH. That was a good response and I agree with you. If the Habs are out of it at the trade deadline, I’m ok with trading some of our older assets and getting draft picks and young talent to go with our core.

          Go Habs Go!!

          “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

        • Sharks9 says:

          I agree that if they’re not in a playoff spot by the trade deadline they should try and unload some players like Kostitsyn to playoff teams to try and get more 1st and 2nd rounders for this years draft.

          The good thing is we do have a solid base with guys like Price, Subban, Pacioretty, Eller, etc. so if we did tank it wouldn’t be for more than 2 seasons I think.

          25 before 14

    • habbernack says:

      It’s amazing how detroit is always at the top of the conference without a top 10 pick eh.I’d call that good drafting.

      ability is what you’re capable of doing.
      attitude determines how you do it

      • HardHabits says:

        Detroit is the exception. They are an anomaly. For every Detroit there are 10 teams that won a Cup with high draft picks.

        If the Habs can draft and develop their talent like Detroit I would have never mentioned tank. However the Habs are not like Detroit. Far from it. If anything the Habs do not manage there assets properly or to their highest potential.

        How did Detroit draft Steve Yzerman?

        • Bill J says:

          The Habs drafting is not far from being like Detroit.

          I would go as far as to say that the Habs are the closest to the Wings model.


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          Go Habs Go!

          • habbernack says:

            These are the habs 1st and 2nd round picks from 1997 to 2007
            Mcdonagh,Pacioretty, Fisher, Price, Chipchura, AK, Higgins, Komi, Hainsey, Chinourd, Ward, Hossaa.

            2nd round
            PK, Maxwell, Matt Carle, Latendresse, Urquhart, Lapierre, Linhart, Milroy, Buturlin, Carkner, Ribeiro, and Gregor Baumgartner.

            ability is what you’re capable of doing.
            attitude determines how you do it

          • DrunkenKeith says:

            I would have to agree. I think Montreal has done a terrific job drafting in the past few years, and we are seeing the fruit of those wise choices (Price, Pacioretty, Subban etc…)

            Ok, McDonagh was an obvious gaff, and players like D’Agonstini have certainly been performing. However, management has also managed to snag players like Eller, and snag guys like Diaz from other leagues.

            I think the future is bright for this team.

        • habbernack says:

          When they drafted Yzerman 1983, 4th overall

          ability is what you’re capable of doing.
          attitude determines how you do it

    • Chris says:

      The problem with your statement about the lottery is that it is not necessarily true.

      You want your top-5 overall calibre player about to enter his prime, Evgeni Malkin is almost certainly available. The problem isn’t so much that the Habs have to tank, but they do have to be willing to deal talent for talent. I’ve proposed Plekanec + a couple of 1st round picks + a winger for Malkin and Depres at various times, and people are aghast. And they might be right.

      But somebody is going to get Malkin at some point, as the Pens don’t need Malkin, Crosby and Staal.

      • HardHabits says:

        I’d rather have Kovalchuck than Gomez that’s for sure. ;-)

        • Chris says:

          That’s another example. Elite players have been available via trade in the recent past (Kovalchuk, Hossa, Lecavalier, Heatley, Pronger), but the Habs management simply wasn’t willing to pay the necessary price. In some cases, they were probably quite right not to make the deal. But the deals were there to land one of those top-5 players.

          So what guys might be available?

          As I mentioned, I think Malkin is available due to the rise of Staal. If Crosby comes back healthy, Malkin is too valuable as trade bait to bring in a 2 or more solid wingers to help Crosby and Staal up front.

          I strongly suspect Rick Nash will demand his way out of Columbus soon…he’s in his 9th season, and Columbus looks just as hopeless this year as they have in their last 8. He’s got to be getting sick of it.

          Those are the two that really jump out at me.

    • joshua94k says:

      During the 72 Series, after the Game 5 loss, Canada had to win the next 3 games on Russian ice. If the Soviets were so much better conditioned, had a better system, how did they lose the next 3 games. Canada was also without its two best players, Bobby Orr and Bobby Hull.

      After Game 5, Phil Esposito said that the players knew they would not lose another game. They had that belief, desire and confidence to win the next three games.

      Harry Sinden selected Ken Dryden for the pivotal game 8 because when the series shited to Russia, Dryden was playing a lot better and when it came to a one shot deal, he wanted to go with the one who had the better potential to win.

      There are many that feel that if Bobby Orr played in that series, Canada would win easily.

      “It’s too much for one guy to shoulder. For us, we’re going to do it as a group. It’s about sharing that responsibility win or lose.” – Mike Cammalleri

    • Tony McLean says:

      Take away their KGB refs and how would the series have gone? *That* is an “inconvenient truth* Al.

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      When Gandhi Gauthier and Mohandas Martin took over from Bob ‘BGL’ Gainey things went from bad to wuss.

      • Tony McLean says:

        And add blacklisted superstars like Bobby Hull and Derek Sanderson of the WHA and how would Team Canada have fared? Save the self-loathing for the NDP convention in Quebec.

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        When Gandhi Gauthier and Mohandas Martin took over from Bob ‘BGL’ Gainey things went from bad to wuss.

  22. Mattyleg says:

    Once you’re in, it’s a crap-shoot.
    It’s anybody’s trophy, in this New Age Of Parity.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  23. Tony McLean says:

    Tell it to Frank Mahovlich.

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    When Gandhi Gauthier and Mohandas Martin took over from Bob ‘BGL’ Gainey things went from bad to wuss.

  24. RGM says:

    As I’ve said on many occasions, re-signing Wiz was never in the cards. He was a short-term stop-gap for last year, and that’s the price of business.

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  25. Tony McLean says:

    Wisniewski would be our best defenceman if he was here now.

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    When Gandhi Gauthier and Mohandas Martin took over from Bob ‘BGL’ Gainey things went from bad to wuss.

  26. Lawrencetown Liquor Pigs says:

    @ Tony, he might be our best, but he’d be our most overpaid.

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    They lost me 2 quarts of rum, better make it up next year with a cup!


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