Canadiens’ draft record better than you think

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You might be surprised to learn that the Canadiens have the best track record of picking NHL talent at the entry draft. They have 29 draft picks currently playing in the NHL. The problem is, Pat Hickey reports, that most of them don’t ply their trade in Montreal.

Hickey’s take on the Team 990 becoming radio home of Canadiens

National Post’s take on how to fix the Canadiens

Subban makes all-rookie team: Daily Hab-it

Meehan to meet Gauthier today in Minnesota to discuss Markov contract: La Presse

123 Comments

  1. doug19 says:

    There is a 5-6″ highly rated player available and I am sure a few hidden (talent) gems in obscure US schools.BG loved those US players.

  2. Mats Naslund says:

    One thing that kills me about draft talk is that people always want to draft what their pro team is missing NOW. It is crazy to think that what you need now will be the same in 4-5 years before most of these prospects become viable in the NHL. Outside of the very few Crosby, Ovechkin types – the players drafted will continue to play junior hockey for a year at least before they move on to the AHL.

    Carey Price was drafted when the Habs still had a young Jose Theodore in nets who was the heir apparent. At the time it had people calling for the head of Trevor Timmins.. and yet.. There isn’t a player outside of Crosby who I would rather have on the team (that includes Bobby Ryan).

    The Habs have an organizational need for size at forward – and so I bet that we see a larger forward drafted at 17 this year. Still, you can’t be shopping for current team needs. The reality is that it could be 5 years before any of the kids from this draft are making an impact.

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      There’s also the consideration that there are not that many great defencemen with upside at where MTL is selecting, I think there’s some very good risk-reward choices in this coming draft when it comes to forward talent and MTL should go for one of them. We alll complain MTL missed out on natural scoring talent in past draft years and it has set them back. It’s all well and good to talk Best Player Available but sometimes BPA and what your team needs are pretty much in line. Can anyone definitively argue that Jonas Brodin will be bigger in the NHL than Matt Puempel, or Joe Morrow over Nicklas Jensen? It’s all about who MTL’s scouts like and I suspect they’re leaning forward with the 2012 draft looking a lot nicer for defensive selections.

      – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
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    • issie74 says:

      Matts Nasland … Correct.

      NorthTOHab

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      We’ve been chasing the big tough winger who can score for years in Montreal, and that made us draft guys like Turner Stevenson, Lindsay Vallis and Terry Ryan. We have to understand that Rick Tocchets and Jarome Iginlas are few and far between, and that every other team is looking for them as well.

      The Jose Theodore-Carey Price analysis is apt and relevant. Just because you have an All-Star goalie doesn’t mean you pass up another. This isn’t the NFL where you’re drafting a 22 year old who’ll start for you next year. The guys we’ll be looking at on Friday are on average three years away from contributing.

      Let’s load up on the most talent we can get. If someone wants to trade us a lower #1 and a #2 for our #1 pick, let’s do it. We need to restock our organization with players at every position, let’s grab armfuls of talent and then take care to develop it. Let’s not pass on a Malkin because we already have a Crosby.

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  3. LA Loyalist says:

    National Post article is spot on.

    Sad if we lose Poo, he has skill. That will be two head case failures in a row, including Latendresse.

    Let’s go down to Notre Dame and light candles for PG to be both wise and lucky at the draft.

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      Except Briere doesn’t want to be a Hab and said as much when he signed with PHI. Why would we trade for a player who doesn’t want to be here? Briere is another smaller forward who will get stuck getting pushed around and checked b/c we lack the bigger bodies to protect him. Lecavalier’s contract I maintain is an anchor this team should not take on.

      – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

    • Mats Naslund says:

      Wow. I couldn’t have disagreed more with the Posts assessment. It was ironically titled “Two weeks to fix a franchise” and most of the suggested moves would sink us for another 10 years. They suggest taking Briere from “cap screwed” Philadelhia without explaining how we wouldn’t become Philly 2.0. They suggest signing everyone under the sun as if the Cap doesn’t exist. How do they propose to fix this problem? Oh yeah, they mention trading Gomez as the solution.. Why hasn’t Gauthier thought of that? Man if he’d just listen to those geniuses at the Post….

  4. savethepuck says:

    A lot of draft talk today regarding the organization’s successes, but mostly failures. People should realize that teams are drafting 17 and 18 year old kids and they will all develop at a different pace. If we were drafting 15 and 16 year olds would that be different? Look at Johnathan Huberdeau, 8 mths ago he wasn’t even ranked in the top 15 and now come draft day he is ranked 3rd. There is not an organization in the NHL that can not say they could of had this guy instead of that guy. It may surprise some people to know that it is not unique to the HABS.
    I am sick of the contant references to the 2003 draft, lots of teams, not just the Habs, missed out on some great talent. Do people not think that maybe these players were late to develop. Yes we picked AK 10th overall that draft and it is always mentioned here. What isn’t mentioned is that in that draft he was ranked as high as 5th and Bob MacKenzie was quoted as saying he was probably the most talented player in the draft. Our organization can not be blamed for seeing the same thing as central scouting.
    What about the 2007 draft. We got PK 43rd overall. I want anyone to feel free to google that draft and reply to me with10, or even 5 players in the top 42 you would rather have.
    Young kids are drafted based on their skill level and expected development, it’s not an exact science. There would be a
    lot less misses if players were being drafted in their last year of Junior hockey, but that’s not how it works so get over it.

    “That beautiful bastard scored semi-conscious.” On the Rocket’s Game 7 game winning goal against the Bruin’s April, 1952

  5. Un Canadien errant says:

    ***After discussion and research, the point I’m making below is moot. Benoit is not waiver exempt, can’t be sent to minors.***

    Hobie, I think where Pouliot belongs is in the minors. Put him on the 1st line, give him tons of ice time, first shift on the power play…. Get him to rediscover his game and confidence.

    The best way to learn is through progression. The AHL is a half-step slower, less pressure. In that environment, he relearns the game, his role, the behaviours that make him successful. In half a season, he dominates, and gets called up to Montreal and gets to play on the #1 or #2 llne. Flush with success, he keeps that momentum and good habits and confidence and becomes the skilled sniper with size that we’ve been seeking for a decade.

    If the plot seems familiar, it’s what happened with Max Pacioretty last year. Not an identical situation, but similar.

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  6. issie74 says:

    SF09 … Dosen’t think this is a deep draft but :
    there are two Swedish defencsemen Brodin at 17th
    and Klefbom at 21st
    both of whom looked good at the recent WHC,
    and I still like Tomas Jurco who played on a line with Huberdeau and Phillips
    and what about Zach Phillips,Huberdeau and Jurco had a huge increase in points this past season playing for the first year with Phillips.

    NorthTOHab

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      Issue with Brodin I’ve read is he’s very physically weak right now and doesn’t seem likely to transform into a strong points producer so to me, a 1st-rounder for that is iffy and Klefblom has been critiqued considerably for being a very soft player, no aggression to his game.

      I like Jurco as well but only if MTL is trading down from 17th so they can acquire a 2nd and in that case I also like Vlad Namestnikov out of London.

      – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

      • issie74 says:

        I like Namestnikov a lot.I have heard good things about him from friends who have season tickets to the Knights games.
        I still think it is too early to write those two defencemen off,a couple of years in the AHL,I certainly don’t see them as NHL ready but as projects.

        NorthTOHab

  7. CHsam says:

    All this time spent watching the Playoffs and speculating on here… I hope Pouliot was doing some Batman Begins style sh-t and training in a dark cold cave with JM…. But I guess he’s done as a Hab

  8. since1988 says:

    I want the Canadiens to draft Matt Puempel…although at 17 maybe a bit early for most draft boards just because of his injury last year he is projected to go later in the first round. However he was CHL rookie of the year in 09/10 and had 69points in 55games before being sidelined.

    “I savour it every day, sometimes before practice I’m skating around and I’ll look at the logo on my jersey – I’m playing for the Canadiens!”
    – Mathieu Darche

    • Mr_MacDougall says:

      I was looking into him a minute ago and couldn’t get past the 1993 birth year.. what ever happened to the days when hockey players were older than me? I was in junior high in 1993.. Damn kids..

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      I have Puempel on my list these days, MTL should not pass up the natural scoring talent he has, especially with only two junior prospects with 40+ goal seasons being both under 5’11”.

      – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

    • bwoar says:

      Puempel or Oleksiak would be my choices, then McNeill if he’s there, then Tyler Biggs. I think the first 2 players will be available but who knows what’ll happen.

    • Chris says:

      Matt Puempel is ranked very low, but he has something that many of the prospects above him don’t: an elite level shot and release. His team in Peterborough was so bad that terrible, awful and horrible don’t begin to cover it. They traded a couple of key players at the end of training camp, throwing the roster into disarray. The ensuing brutal start disillusioned Ryan Spooner, who walked out on the team and demanded a trade, which left Puempel with an extraordinarily weak supporting cast. Nonetheless, Puempel was on pace for 40-50 goals when he got injured.

      I won’t be shocked at all if somebody nabs him before the Habs get a chance. He was a guy that was being bandied about as a top-10, if not top-5 pick entering this season until the horror show that was the 2010-11 Petes dimmed his star.

      • SeriousFan09 says:

        Saw a highlights vid for him online, he has a very good instinct for finishing and a good drive to the net and the hands to get there. If he’s there at 17th MTL could make far worse choices than taking him.

        – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
        SF09 on Twitter

      • LA Loyalist says:

        Terrible, awful and horrible? Peterborough Petes? That’s a sad thing!

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        OHL rookie of the year winners:

        2010–11 – Nail Yakupov, Sarnia Sting
        2009–10 – Matt Puempel, Peterborough Petes
        2008–09 – Evgeny Grachev, Brampton Battalion
        2007–08 – Taylor Hall, Windsor Spitfires
        2006–07 – Patrick Kane, London Knights
        2005–06 – John Tavares, Oshawa Generals
        2004–05 – Benoît Pouliot, Sudbury Wolves
        2003–04 – Bryan Little, Barrie Colts
        2002–03 – Rob Schremp, Mississauga IceDogs
        2001–02 – Patrick O’Sullivan, Mississauga IceDogs
        2000–01 – Rick Nash, London Knights
        1999–2000 – Derek Roy, Kitchener Rangers
        1998–99 – Sheldon Keefe, Barrie Colts
        1997–98 – David Legwand. Plymouth Whalers
        1996–97 – Peter Sarno, Windsor Spitfires
        1995–96 – Joe Thornton, Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds
        1994–95 – Bryan Berard, Detroit Junior Red Wings
        1993–94 – Vitali Yachmenev, North Bay Centennials
        1992–93 – Jeff O’Neill, Guelph Storm
        1991–92 – Chris Gratton, Kingston Frontenacs
        1990–91 – Cory Stillman, Windsor Spitfires
        1989–90 – Chris Longo, Peterborough Petes
        1988–89 – Owen Nolan, Cornwall Royals

  9. HabinBurlington says:

    I think it is great honour and testament to what the Hab name still plays in hockey circles in Canada that Winnipeg is opening their season at home with us there. Growing up in the Peg, nothing was bigger than the Habs in town and everyone getting there tuxes or sunday’s best on for Tuxedo night. I’ll give the NHL credit on this one, a classy way to get that franchise started off in hopefully a good direction. But, we still need to win that game, always nice when we can open a visitors building with a win!

    Looking forward to this weekend, still really have a feeling PG has some big things planned for the draft, or maybe i just hope so.

  10. ed lopaz says:

    re drafting:

    todays 18 year olds are miles ahead of where they were 5, 10 and 15 years ago.

    2 major reasons that I can think of:

    1) training

    2) technology

    even players growing up in modest income households are spending hundreds and even thousands of dollars on training.

    a household might have 50 thousand of income from 2 salaries, and spend 5 thousand or more on their son’s hockey training.

    12 months a year, hockey schools, spring hockey, summer hockey, power skating treadmills, off ice training

    and the list of training techniques goes on and on.

    2) technology: not only is there more time and money being spent, but the technology has improved

    hockey skating treadmills can improve the stride, improve speed, and add endurance

    synthetic ice is used to train even in the smallest indoor areas 12 months a year

    of course the skates are ridiculous these days – so light yet so effective in helping to improve speed and turning

    sticks are 300 + dollars a pop – I still remember buying my boys their first sticks only 12 years ago – paid 10 bucks for a wood stick with a Nike Swoosh on it

    the next year it 35 bucks for a “2 piece stick”

    then it was 90 bucks for the 1st “1 piece stick”

    The added training and improved technology means what?

    It means that draft picks are going to be way ahead of the picks of the past.

    It means that guys like Spacek and Hamrlik must be replaced by Webers and Yemelins of the world – the sooner the better.

    It means that Tinordi is on his way to hopefully beat the crap out of Lurch.

    It means that when Martin says “our defence is going to get younger fast” as he did only last week,

    the Habs would do well to follow that advice.

    because in todays hockey, if you are not an established elite player, there are much younger players that are much more talented that you that deserve to play.

    Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      “todays 18 year olds are miles ahead of where they were 5, 10 and 15 years ago.”

      15 years ago they were 3.

      • ed lopaz says:

        well… I’m not an English Major, but I do play one on T.V.!

        Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

    • LA Loyalist says:

      I will spend at least $5,000 in 2011 on my 8 year old, luckily we only have one kid and we can afford it and my wife is into it.

      And that’s here in the U.S. where the gear and taxes are less. That’s not including any travel, but weekly treadmill, special clinics, probably 3 weeks total camps. His Mites Travel team fee is $2750 US, which doesn’t cover any of the travel (mostly driveable).

      And that doesn’t cover that I have to gas and insure an additional vehicle as my personal car is too small.

      That said, his playoffs are this weekend, then he is getting July and the first two weeks of August off hockey, except treadmill and shooting (which he loves) one hour a week.

      I do not want to burn him out which I used to see at home and am even seeing down here, there are some kids – YOUNG – that train 6 days a week and I’m just not going there.

      Our family goal is:

      1. great physical conditional and learning team work and leadership. Our role model is Saku, whom he can see play regularly with Ducks, and he watches lots of video of him as our Habs captain. Also he knows all about Saku’s community work with the MRI machine and his general leadership.

      I also am teaching him to stand up for the smaller kids, even if it’s just inserting himself between a small kid and a big one (he’s big) but worst case if he gets a penalty doing so he has permission. Luckily so far the refs are very strict in the Kings’ Development Leagues.

      2. Possibly down the road a shot at playing in College, either here or at home. That’s it. We’re not looking past that at all, after all he’s only 8. Also his schoolwork has to be 100% (4.0, the way they do it down here – or no hockey :-).

  11. aemarchand11 says:

    Biggs.

    “I have a different constitution. I have a different brain; I have a different heart; I got tiger blood, man.” – Charlie Sheen.

    • TomNickle says:

      If you want a player who’s been up against sub-par competition and hasn’t been elite offensively while doing it, then yeah, let’s go get Biggs.

      Put me down for one of Joe Morrow, Nicklas Jensen or Vladislav Namestnikov.

      • HalifaxHabs says:

        exactly… the guy was ranked near the bottom of the 1st round, and that bitter moron Pierre McGuire goes on TV and tells everyone this kid is the solution.

        pass

        • issie74 says:

          I’m with you Hal … anything Pierre says should be competely disregarded(“by Xmas Tuukka Rask will be Boston’s #1 and by the end of the year he will be the best goalie in the league”)he made this statement in Oct.2010 on TSN.

          NorthTOHab

          • HalifaxHabs says:

            hahaha issie… can you believe that guy? I can’t understand why TSN likes him so much.

          • Sharks9 says:

            in 2005 “Drafting Carey Price is a huge mistake for the Canadiens”

            What a genius.

            25 before 14

          • TheMock780 says:

            Also from October 2010 on TSN, “Tyler Bozak will get over 60 points as the Leafs top line centre”. That was another of McGuire’s real doozy’s

            http://5-10andagamemisconduct.blogspot.com/

          • issie74 says:

            I remember the day the Habs drafted Price as a family we were cheering only to have Pierre say”What are the Habs doing they need a defenceman,not a goalie”
            I really think he should be carefull,won’t get the job he covets by being wrong every time he speaks.

            NorthTOHab

        • aemarchand11 says:

          Pierre Mcguire is an idiot, but he wasnt the only one to put this guy in the same area as our pick.

          “I have a different constitution. I have a different brain; I have a different heart; I got tiger blood, man.” – Charlie Sheen.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Hey Tom I had to chuckle this morning, appears Damien Cox must be following your posts here. THis morning in the star he was suggesting Edmonton trade with Winnipeg with Bogosian coming back to Edmonton.

        • TomNickle says:

          I should issue an apology to HIO for a stupid suggestion if this is the case

          ;)

          If you’re reading Damian, that was a joke. One of the few journalists in Canada who has had Carey Price’s back from start to finish.

          • HabFanSince72 says:

            Don’t know much about Cox except that the Leaf bloggers hate him. That’s good enough for me.

      • aemarchand11 says:

        If hes a first round prospect, he’s a first round prospect. We have enough fast skills forwards, but need more beef. Schultz, White, Conboy and Moen arent exactly a lot of depth in the physicality dept. Anyway, we will see who Timmins/Gauthier decide to pick.

        “I have a different constitution. I have a different brain; I have a different heart; I got tiger blood, man.” – Charlie Sheen.

  12. Hobie Hansen says:

    This Noah Love guy, at first glance, he isn’t any more qualified to write a piece on the Canadiens than most of us. A few suggestions on what he’d like to see happen in his eyes but that’s about it.
    Briere would be a joke in Montreal. Is it possible he’s a half step up on Cammalleri or Plekanec, sure. If those two players played elsewhere and were not playing in the system Martin and Muller employed they could probably add to their point totals. If Briere came here he’d be another small forward and probably sees a drop off in his point production.
    If you try and trade your first rounder, prospects or a current player to the Flyers, surely you want Carter or Hartnall back and not another small player who doesn’t want to play in Montreal in the first place.
    That’s my opinion…

    • TomNickle says:

      Hartnell isn’t worth a first round pick in a package. Unless it’s just that pick.

      If he were playing for a team that weren’t desperate to unload salary, maybe he would be worth more, but when you’re doing a conference rival a favour, you can’t overpay. When you might significantly improve another team, that team better be from the Western Conference. I think Brian Burke might agree with that today and again in five years.

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        I agree 1st rounders are super important….but I personally wouldn’t care if a 1st Rounder and Pouliot were traded to Philly for Cater or Hartnell.

        Mostly because we have Eller, Pacioretty and Leblanc…

        • TomNickle says:

          Pouliot is only 24 years old and was a #4 overall pick.

          Hartnell was a #6 overall pick.

          I’m not about to compare their careers to this point in time because it’s no contest. But adding a player with Pouliot’s talent to a package like that is deadly. He could easily realize his potential in the next couple of years regardless of where he’s playing, and if he does, he and Hartnell would be a wash in a trade.

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            I’ll take what some of you guys are saying about Pouliot because believe it or not…I’m wrong sometimes :-).

            But yeah, he’s sure been a let down to this point. 24 is still pretty young so I guess giving him one more year to give his head a shake could be the right way to go.

            Where does he play now though? If the Habs do pick up another top six forward and bump Kostitsyn to the third line with Eller…who plays with them, Pouliot or Desharnais?

            U can’t possibly put Desharnais on the 4th line?

          • Sean Bonjovi says:

            David Desharnais definitely plays centre on the 4th line the same way Glen Metropolit did and Jeff Halpern should have.

            * Ville Leino would make Sergei Samsonov look like Alex Kovalev *

        • LA Loyalist says:

          The problem with Pouliot is we’re not sure what the issue with him is.

          If it’s just immaturity, he’s got to be handled carefully. I’m really waffle-y on this one.

  13. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    The guy who wrote that article is lost. Trading for Briere would be shooting yourself in the foot. Why would any club trade for a guy that very recently snubbed a huge UFA offer from them? It’s like saying, “Hey, he doesn’t want to be here, so let’s trade for him and force him to be here!”. Ya, that sounds like a good idea.

  14. Bugs says:

    Brière. Friggin Dany Brière. Huh. I love how these no-namers livin outside our city “know what’s best” for us.
    So. For the LAST time: we ASKED Brière already. He said no.
    That’s it.
    And for the record, I recognize how absolutely CLUTCH he is in the playoffs, magically so, I totally concur. But he does not CARRY the offense in Philly; he is a COMPLIMENTARY player. A GREAT complimentary player, yes, but a complimentary player all the same.
    And I’m perfectly fine with Cammy as replacement, cuz his playoffs have been wonderful for us and EVERYTHING we could’ve asked Brière to do.
    So forget Brière. There AIN’T no Brière. Put an EX on Brière. Aw’iiiight?
    Aw’ight.
    For Lecavalier…it might be a huge, huge, possibly suicidal mistake…but I could still be convinced.
    In exchange for Gomie and Spaceman. Non negotiable.
    Yeah, I could be convinced.

    Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

    • shiram says:

      Vincent has more upside than Gomez for sure, but if he we’re playing with player of a lesser caliber than Stamkos and St-Louis, he might look even worse.
      On the Habs, he would likely play with players of lesser caliber, and his contract would be hell.

      But yea, he does not seem all too bad, sometimes.

      Brière… heh just no.

  15. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    WoW, people, get a grip. There is no way the Wiz re-signs with the Habs before July 1st. Even if he wants to be in Montreal and is willing to talk turkey with the goat, he’s still gonna wait till July 1st just to see what type of offers roll his way. He and his agent would be idiots to do otherwise.

  16. HardHabits says:

    Pat Hickey states, “The draft didn’t play much of a role in the Boston Bruins’ Cup win this season.”

    Then he goes on to say, “The Boston lineup included five players drafted by the Bruins, and the only first-rounder was sparsely used rookie Tyler Seguin. Milan Lucic, Patrice Bergeron and David Krejci were all second-round picks, while Brad Marchand was selected in the third round.

    It’s more like Boston did an excellent job of drafting. Phil Kessel would have made that team even better but the Bruins got even luckier by turning that 5th over-all into a 2nd over-all (he’s also being projected as a better pick than Taylor Hall) last year and a 9th this upcoming draft.

    The good news for Habs fans is Tinordi has moved up 14 spots and is looking like the 8th best pick of his class and he was picked at 22nd.

    There is no doubt that championship teams are built via the draft. It’s an area where the Habs should spare no expense.

    • TomNickle says:

      First of all HH, that’s one man’s opinion about Tinordi. Tinordi very well could be the guy who Button thinks he’s going to be but we won’t know for another five years.

      About the draft. Players on our roster like Plekanec, Subban, Pacioretty, Price, Markov and Yemelin were all drafted by the Habs. So if the Habs win the Cup with those players in the lineup, are you going to stop complaining about the Habs’ draft record?

      • HardHabits says:

        Let’s see if the Habs can make it into the top 10 or better yet top 5 before we start projecting Stanley Cup wins.

        • TomNickle says:

          Let’s stop pretending that a team who took the Cup Champs to game 7 is mediocre.

          This isn’t the Habs losing in 6 to Carolina or being swept by Tampa when those teams won the Cup. This is one shot deciding a series.

          • HardHabits says:

            Medicore is finishing 11th to 20th over-all. Mediocre is middle of the pack. Mediocrity is the new NHL. The Habs have one top 10 finish since 1994. That is mediocrity.

            “one shot deciding a series” only means that. Do you honestly believe the Habs could have won 3 more series after that? I don’t. Not for a second. Oh I would have wished it. I would have hung onto every game hoping. But the inevitability would have been another series loss along the way. You may say “one shot,” but the Bruins say, “they had us down 2-0, they were up 3-1 in game 4, they took us to OT 3 times, yet we prevailed.” Yet fans here think that Habs were one goal away from winning the Cup.

            The team needs more offensive production to be able to be considered a contender. At the same time they need to maintain their PP, PK and goals against excellence.

            If the Habs move into the top ten next season then they will have made progress. If they make it to at least top 15 in goals scored then they will have made progress. If they end up lower than 15th in goals scored and end up outside the top 10 they will have stagnated and will have continued their tradition of mediocrity.

      • issie74 says:

        I will take Craig Button’s word for it,he knows talent when he sees it.

        NorthTOHab

  17. grid77 says:

    Oleksiak if hes still there at 17? wouldnt it be nice to have two giants (along with Tinordi ) protecting Price for the next several years? its no secret our blueline is soft.

    • Sharks9 says:

      We need more help on offense than on defense for sure, Subban, Gorges, Yemelin, Weber and Tinordi will hopefully form a good defense but we need more offense as Gionta, Plekanec, and Cammalleri get older.

      25 before 14

  18. Favorite Son says:

    A lot of people are saying no to Briere but who would you rather have, him or Gomez? Briere hands down.

  19. HardHabits says:

    The Habs need to develop players. They need to turn coal into diamonds. They should follow the example of the Montreal Expos who churned out super star after super star. Then they need to hold onto those players they develop, and when ready, trade them for more and better picks and prospects, not let them walk into free agency or worse trade them for nothing.

    The Habs also have a tendency of creating problem players, lose them for nothing, and they go onto have success elsewhere; Ribiero, Grabovski and Sergei Kostitsyn come to mind.

    • Stuck_in_To. says:

      HardHabits, is there anything about our organization you like? It’s not a question meant to bait you, I just read mostly critiques from you and wonder what you feel they are doing right.

      As for coal to diamonds … they did okay with Pleks and Markov. And when a lot of people thought they were ruining Price, they stuck with him. They have also stuck with A.K.

      So how do you feel about Pouliot?

      • HardHabits says:

        To be honest. I think the Habs are a sad NHL case. Once the greatest franchise in all of professional sports reduced to a perennial middle of the pack team. Mind you the NHL has become a middle of the pack league with the salary cap, the CBA, revenue sharing, the loser point and of course parity, so the Habs are just one of many mediocre teams that could go all the way.

        ——————————————————————–

        AK46 would have been a good 2nd or 3rd round pick. Not 10th over-all in that 2003 class.

        The Habs need more Plekanec’ and Markovs. They have the ability to do so with their deep pockets. Money not spent on player’s salaries should be put towards the development of prospects.

        IMO Price was rushed and should have spent the better part of his year in Hamilton after his Calder Cup win. IMO he should have been only brought up for the end of the season and play-offs. I believe that Habs would have won the Cup that year had management done that rather than rush him. Price’s other major issue was Melanson (see Luongo). Fortunately his damage has been corrected by Pierre Groulx.

        I think Pouliot should be kept. His potential has not been realized. The other side of that coin is that Latendresse was rushed too. Too much anointment and not enough earning of spots going on with the Habs. Managment seems to buckle too much under fan pressure or tends to follow whatever the French media demands.

        I sincerely hope that JM is not coaching the Habs in 2 years and that the team stops the tradition of hiring alumni or requiring GM’s and coaches to be Francos. I doubt that will happen. More like PG and JM are here for a good 5-7 years.

    • HalifaxHabs says:

      I agree with you to a certain extent, but two issues

      1) you say the Habs create problem players? that is the biggest cop-out I have ever heard. Since when do teams take blame for turning players in to problem players. Is it possible that maybe those players were the problems maybe a little immature, and distracted… maybe grew up a bit after they were moved to a new situation.

      2) I also have to question you’re definition of sucess. Grabovski looks good in Toronto, no doubt, that does suck. But if we remember how it actually went down, he forced a trade and we still got a 2nd rounder for him.

      As far as Riberio and S Kost… I’m sorry I don’t count putting up decent point totals during the regualr season, and then either not making the playoffs, or completely dissapearing the playoffs success. I don’t know anyone who doesn’t think that Riberio contract is horrible, and he is way overpaid. Do you really think Riberio or S kost are what the Habs need to win?

      There’s is a huge amount of revioist history on this site when it comes to past players that are no longer here. People seem to like to remember them much better then they ever were.

  20. dhenry1234 says:

    LMAO. Yeah lets trade Pouliot and a pick to Philly for Briere!!! AHHAHA like that would EVER happen. Noah Love, what a joke!

  21. arcosenate says:

    Brilliant, get another tiny forward. Why don’t we just trade everyone over 6 feet and only take back munchkins? We could change the uniform to dark blue so we truly could be called the smurfs.

    Briere.

    Yeah right.

  22. HardHabits says:

    Two weeks to fix the Montreal Canadiens? Noah Love didn’t mention signing Hamrlik. Obviously that’s the crucial move that’ll put the Habs into contention.

    Canadiens know how to pick ‘em …
    More like
    Canadiens don’t know how to keep ‘em
    or maybe
    Canadiens don’t know how to trade ‘em for something of value

    Sign Wisniewski!!!!

  23. habs-hampton says:

    The goods news?

    Noah Love isn’t (and never will be) our GM.

    No Briere, please no!

  24. Marc10 says:

    Most people remember the AK46 draft year where the Habs royally missed the boat on what was arguably the greatest draft year ever. But that said, AK46 is still a top 6 forward.

    They also think of that kid from American College kid they picked ahead of Giroux.

    But when I look at the last 5-6 years, we’re heading into serious home run territory.

    1) Price
    2) Subban
    3) Halak (Eller)
    4) Max Pac

    Heck, maybe that Tinordi kid will turn into his dad. I’d take that! That’s some serious pay dirt. Graft them onto the right core and we’re not too far away.

    Come on Timmins. We need one more… preferably a John Leclair type (but one we won’t trade away…)

    “To be irreplaceable, you have to be different”.
    Andy Warhol

    Go PK Go!

  25. Brinkley says:

    The Habs Draft Record is very misleading at best.

    Arguably, the Habs scouts have drafted players who cam ‘play’ in the NHL….great.

    Way too often Habs have selected players who turn out to be 3rd and 4th line talents or 5th, 6th or 7th defensemen…..while the better teams in the league may draft a lesser number of players who make it in the NHL – those players drafted by the better teams are often a higher calibre player, helping to elevate their respective teams above mediocrity!

    • habs03 says:

      What you are saying is kidna right, but that’s for every time, unless you are picking in the top 10 (which we never do) the rest of the 1st round is really an extension of the 2nd round. People bring up how we missed guys like Giroux and Lucic, but if you look at those teams that drafted those players, they have just as many mistakes. Just think of the 2007 draft. in the 2nd round alone, from picks 31 to 43, 5 D-man were picked before PK Subban. The issue with MTL is player development not scouting.

    • G-Man says:

      Halak 9th round, Subban 2nd round, Andrei Markov 6th round. Yeah- the Habs suck. Pffttttttt!

  26. DearyLeary says:

    I have no idea who this Noah Love character is, but if he honestly thinks that losing Wisniewski is a worst case scenario, he should be fired immediately.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      WHy? What do you think is the worst case scenario?

      I think dumping the Wiz, keeping Hamr, and signing a couple of Jeff Halpern / Glen Metropolit type players IS the worst case scenario. A guarantee of more of the same.

      I do like his best case scenario:

      “They re-sign Wisniewski and send a first-round pick and Benoit Pouliot’s RFA rights to cap-screwed Philadelphia in exchange for Briere. And some team trying to make the cap floor (looking at you, Florida) takes a flyer on Gomez, whose actual salary decreases in 2012-13 and 2013-14.”

      Add a UFA like Brooks Laich and you have yourself a good looking team.

      • 24 Cups says:

        We can’t afford Briere, The Wiz and Laich. Way too much coin long term, especially when the Price/Subban factor kicks in.

        I’d rather see the Habs sign Gagne instead of trading our 1st rounder for Briere.

        • habitual says:

          As compared to the scenario you replied to, me too.

          But I am concerned about Gagne’s concussion history. I’d also prefer someone who had a little more grit and consistency. If memory serves, Gagne had a dry streak with Tampa this past season.

          • 24 Cups says:

            After a dreadful first 25 games (seven points, minus-21), Gagne ended up putting together a decent season in Tampa Bay. In his final 38 games, Gagne had 14 goals and 33 points. He added 12 points in 15 playoff games. He would also probably go for a one year deal knowing he is so injury prone.

      • HabsFanInTampa says:

        I don’t think Briere wants to play in Quebec.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        Having thought about it a bit, I think there is a worst case scenario:

        The Bruins beat us up all year, injure and almost kill one player with impunity, and go on to win the Stanley Cup, playing thug hockey all the way.

    • Dintrox says:

      more concerning is Love’s fixation on Briere and Vinnie. Briere is another smallish forward. If we are shopping in Philly, Carter is a bigger center, signed longer, for a smaller cap hit. Vinnie has an albatross contract and has had several surgeries over the last several years (doesn`t he have an NTC?)

  27. RetroMikey says:

    As much as I like Derek Wills broadcasting the Bulldogs games. he just does not cut it really to be a play by play man in the NHL.
    Just his voice is plain blah blah in my opinion.
    What about Denis Casavant doing play by play?
    And congrats to the Team 990!

    “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

  28. SmartDog says:

    I’m not surprised that the Habs have drafted well. And – sigh – equally not surprised that most of our good draft picks have been weeded out for some reason. Throw-away Grabovski centers one of the best lines in the east last year, and does what Scott Gomez can’t: drives to the net and plays with heart. S Kostitsyn, Lats, Dagostini, O’Byrne have all made big contributions to their teams… not something you can say about what we got back.

    The Habs management is as bad as it is good. Life sucks.

    • HalifaxHabs says:

      I think it’s a little “grass is greener on the other side of the fence syndrome” to bemoan losing guys like Sergei K & Lats… they can have little bursts of productivity for other teams all they want, but I am very glad they are no longer part of the Habs. They were horribly inconsistent when it really mattered, and the day they left not too many people were crying.

      As far as Dags & O’Byrne, I liked them, but the propects we got back for them (Bournival & Palushaj) could very well turn out to be players for us down the road.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        Whether or not Grabbo, SK, Lats et al. deserved to go, the fact is we got nothing in return most of the time.

        Also, we might draft well but we keep giving up draft picks for players who stay less than one season. If we’re so good at drafting we should try to get picks instead of dumping them.

        • HalifaxHabs says:

          We got a 2nd round pick for Grabo, and we got a former 4th overall for Lats… and we got nothing for S Kost because he had zero value when we traded him.

          • G-Man says:

            Stop stating the obvious. It’ll throw everyone off.

          • HalifaxHabs says:

            lol… you’re right

          • HabFanSince72 says:

            1. A 2nd round pick for Grabbo is not good. FYI Grabovski had 29 goals and 58 points last year, which would have put him number one for both categories in Montreal.

            2. We got a bust for Lats. That he was a former 4th round pick is irrelevant. Admittedly Lats was also not doing well (thanks JM).

            3. S Kost had no value because we did not know how to get the value out of him (thanks again JM).

            Fact is, we have a long history of not tolerating misfits and f***-ups, and JM is in that mold. That would be fine if there was no salary cap and no draft.

          • HalifaxHabs says:

            1) yeah that’s great that he produced like that last year for a non-playoff team, and yes I’d rather have him then Gomez, but that’s called revisionist history. You’re going to honestly tell me that he was worth more at that time of his trade? the guy wasn’t even an NHL player and he was missing flights and asking for trades through is agent?

            2) yeah, Pouliot is a bust, so is Lats… again, were other teams offering better deals for Lats? I highly doubt it

            3) ok coach, I guess Barry Trotz had the same issue, because Sergei looked good during the regular season, and then what happened to him in the playoffs? he completely dissapeared because that’s the kind of player he is, and always will be.

            4) “Fact is, we have a long history of not tolerating misfits and f***-ups”
            wow, so now you’re saying it’s a negative thing to not tolerate misfits and f***-ups… that’s a real reach

            usually you and I are on the same page HFS72, but there are a few things we disagree on, and bemoaning the loss of guys like S Kost & Lats is just silly, because they will never amount to anything that brings in championships.

            as far as Grabo, it sucks how that worked out, but we need to remember how it ended, with him missing a flight and asking for a trade through his agent before he had proven a thing in the NHL. A 2nd round pick was decent value at the time.

          • habs03 says:

            Grabo got chance after chance after change in TO because they never had anyone else, he got to develop by making mistakes on a team that sucked. Plus you don’t win with guy like Grabo on the team, did you not remember him leaving the team on a road trip to LA to go cry to his agent?

          • Sal says:

            Has to be remembered the Habs had a bunch of similar Eastern European players in the mix when they traded Grabbo. Pleks, S and A Kost, Peresogan(spelling), Emmylin, Valentenkov. Some were D men, sure, but, BG was loaded up on Eastern Europeans nevertheless.

            Sal from the Hammer


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