Canadiens bulk up for Panthers

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Petteri Nokelainen and Michael Blunden join the team in time for a Monday night dance with Florida at the Bell Centre as the Canadiens try to snap a five-game losing streak.

Pat Hickey on the new Habs

Dave Stubbs: Confusion mounts

•  Metro wants to come back to The Show

Jack Todd: Throw the bums out

Yvon Pedneault on the personnel moves

Jonathan Bernier on the Erik Cole situation

J.T. weighs in

194 Comments

  1. HabsFansince49 says:

    It’s 2:17 pm here in Halifax. And Martin and Gauthier still have their jobs?

  2. Jdub1985 says:

    If losing to the FLorida means the end of JM

    then by all means LETS GO PANTHERS LETS GO

  3. Sitting Emelin and starting Diaz tells me Martin continues to play favourites to ill effect. Diaz was solely responsible for two goals against last game and aside from one goal created by two other players, he’s been terrible all year. What JM sees in this guy that puts him so high on the depth chart is beyond me.

    Pretty much every stat you look at, especially microstats, tells you Diaz is our worse defenseman. Yet he’s playing top 4 minutes for no reason.

    http://twitter.com/andrewberkshire

    • LafleurFan says:

      Diaz = R-handed MAB.

      “May you live in interesting times.”

    • montrealtilldeath says:

      I am almost gagging at the stupidity of JM and his staff in sitting Emelin over Diaz. He really doesn’t see the game at all. Diaz is not NHL material. He impresses with his skating and shooting but as soon as the situation is ratcheted up in a pressure situation watch how he hesitates and freezes and invariably makes a bad play in these types of situations. On the winning goal for the leafs when he had the puck behind the net with no one on him he made a panic pass along the boards resulting in the turnover outside the blue line. He compounded this mistake be twice failing in the coverage on Grabowski on the actual goal. He is not physical and constantly is musceled off the puck behind our net. Emelin has really impressed me and also impressed the RDS guys. He is tough and improves every games. As for JM the expression “dumber than a bag of hammers” comes to mind and I apologize to the hammers. If you want to know what is wrong with PK you can see they have such a tight leash on him they are destroying his creativity. Bobby Orr used to get stripped of the puck ocassionally but no one told him to stop. This proves you cannot give a Ferrari to a journeyman driver (JM). If we had Boucher as the coach you would see a big difference in PK. If I say what I really want to say in this commentary it will not be allowed. It is time for Geoff Molson to step in.

    • AH says:

      So right Andrew about the “favorites” theme with JM. Before he had major thing for Pyatt, now it’s Darche and Diaz. Here in Edmonton, Craig Mactavish was guilty of the same thing, favoring grinders over skill players and punishing skill players for mistakes and playing the grinders. It eventually got him fired. I hope the same thing happens to JM.

  4. Puck Bard says:

    A Habs turnaround will be slower than the economic recovery.

    Take your anxiety meds, boys!

  5. SeriousFan09 says:

    So Emelin gets to sit so Spacek can play tonight according to reports, yeah that’s how you run a hockey team, bench the most physical defencemen you have when the other teams are already beating you in your own end.

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
    SF09 on Twitter

    • Ron in Ottawa says:

      The problem is, as I see it, neither PG or JM have a plan. For the last few years we saw BG the PG tinkering with the line-up but their pro scouting has been horrible. Then, we they do find someone useful to fit into the puzzle, Wiz, Metro, Halpern, Moore, they let them go. Saame with the younger players- how many get dumped here and move on to have good seasons somewhere else.
      As for JM, it does not look like he has any game plan in mind. The team spends a ton of money on Cole and JM puts him on the third and fourth lines with no PP time. Go figure. And whatever lines he starts with, he shuffles almost immediately. i could go on for hours but the point is: when will the Molsons wake up and dump PG, Jm and end BG’s role as a consultant. And when will habs fans send the message to the Molsons they are fed up. Simply don’t buy tickets.

    • shiram says:

      Ugh really? that sucks… hate Spacegoat.

      If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

      • LafleurFan says:

        Like Spacek. Covers up for others’ gaffs. Gets punched out, but like a Timex, or a Weeble, or the Everready Rabbit, keeps on ticking, wobbles, and keeps on beatin’ the drum.

        “May you live in interesting times.”

  6. Ali says:

    apparently Spatcho is in and Emelin is out.

    Phew, that was close, we wouldn’t want the kid who can hit to get used to playing when theres someone who can be useless AND overpaid.

  7. Mattyleg says:

    I have a question for the Commentariat:

    What’s the right thing, in your opinion, for a GM to do about ‘character’ players?

    I’ve been a bit frustrated in the past few years with management letting players like Begin, Metro, Halpern, Moore, and Kosto go. At the time, things were said like “we can have X at $500,000 cheaper than we had Y, and they’re essentially the same/an upgrade on the previous player.”

    I liked the previous player in 90% of the cases. Why didn’t we keep him?

    Now although we can bandy about the wisdom of trading X for Y until the cows skate home, my real question in this situation is about young talent: Where is there room to bring up young grinders like Palushaj or whoever if we have a revolving-door attitutde with other players of that type?

    What does a management team do? Your input is more than welcome, because I’m not sure what the answer is.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  8. twilighthours says:

    I read Stubbs’ column – so NOW he has an issue with Martin’s line-juggling, PP personnel choices, and general coaching suckitude. Where was he at the presser after saturday’s nightmare?

    It would be nice to see some of our heroes (Boone, Stubbs) ask some of the hard questions – or stick up for their rookie comrades.

    Yeah, I know that they run the risk of getting blacklisted and yada yada yada, but for how much longer will Martin be around? Stubbs only has a week or two left to ask JM anything of substance.

    Get to it boys – the frustrated fans want to know what exactly is written on Martin’s notepad.

    No risk in smacking the outgoing coach, now.

    • Ali says:

      for all the talk about how tough the Media is, the anglo media is, sorry to say, not the ones to watch for. Far too chummy with the players and management. Francophone media is more reactionary, but also more inquisitive I find.

      It’s sad when the best questions i hear from an anglo reporter at press conferences come from Tony Marinaro. And he has better sources than anyone at the Gazette (no offense, but when was the last time Stubbs or Hickey broke the news of a trade?)

      Edit: I might be better off saying more sources who allow them to divulge info, I’m sure Stubbs is well informed.

  9. habsnyc says:

    So after 20 years of saying little and having less insight, Todd notices there is something wrong with Montreal. Well those of us who have been complaining about structural issues with this franchise for over a decade, do not welcome him on our bandwagon. If Montreal wins two in a row, he will be back writing puff pieces on why Cammalleri shoudl be on the Olympic team ahead of Crosby.

    At the moment, the problem is entirely coaching. Beyond the goalie and back-up, there are only players on this team certain of his role. Gionta and Cammalleri are pretty much being used consistently in the same way, albeit with rotating linemates. However, everyone else is unsure if they are a first or second line player or a third or fourth line player. No one is sure if they are there to shut down the opposition or spark the offense. On defense, there just are not enough bodies for anyone to actually have a role.

    Once the immediate problem is settled, they can go back to being a mediocre team. However, this brief trip to the cellar has created unprecedented awareness of how poorly this franchise is run and how little accountability there is anywhere in the organization.

    When an organization can no longer give away its talented young players, it gives away its talented young coaches.

    Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

    • twilighthours says:

      I haven’t read a Todd column in 10 years. From what I am seeing amongst the comments, there seems little reason to start reading him again.

      • Mattyleg says:

        Don’t bother. I haven’t either, but morbid curiosity led me to click the link. The headline is “Blame the Management”

        I could have written that article, and I’m an idiot.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

  10. LafleurFan says:

    Shiloh is an oldie like myself I believe. We’ve revelled in great dynasties in the past. I fear being in the same plight as long suffering Leafs fans.

    Jack Todd writes insightfully, and I agree with much of his analysis. Professional sports is one big crapshoot (Alexandre Daigle, Doug Wickenheiser, Tanguay’s 13 goals and expiring contract for a 1st round pick) and this season appears headed for a crapout.

    Like Gainey did after the first round sweep exit about 3 seasons ago, a major overhaul looks necessary and one wonders if current management can perform this without a large dropoff in the teams competitiveness.

    Hal Gill (really respect the guy) getting top 4 D minutes, constant line juggling with “no goals, no assists” the usual end of game stat for most of the highest paid on the team, not even one period of play in the several losses for Budaj, and other happenings are not indicators of effective coaching.

    Too bad some fans were mocking when we briefly had Betts for a waiver fee, while Burke gave up a 4th round pick for Steckel. Want Steckel for that price now?

    Wouldn’t mind seeing a succession of call-ups from the farm just in case we can catch lightning in a bottle and sneak into the playoffs.

    “May you live in interesting times.”

  11. Mattyleg says:

    Bring back Metro!!
    Freakin’ loved that guy.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  12. sane hockey fan says:

    Im 09-10 philly went to the finals, during the season they had two 5-game losing streaks and one 4-game losing streak…they break out tonight!!! lets go boys!!!

  13. shiram says:

    So tonight will be my first hockey game at the Bell Center, I’m going with a buddy, and we’re talking about tonight’s game yesterday.
    I was telling him how annoying it was that my first game would come in such a bad streak, and that we would not get to see Price play, as it was the Panthers.
    My friend heartily replied : cheer up, with the way they are playing we’ll get to see both Budaj and Price play.

    Awesome.

    If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

  14. Expat in TO says:

    Is it just me or is the sky falling? I’m trying to approach this start to the season with a balanced outlook but with an eye to the schedule for the rest of this month it’s tough not to be pessimistic. Moreover, to this point the boys haven’t given much cause for optimism. I forget the stats, but historically teams that don’t hold a playoff spot by US thanksgiving generally do not make the playoffs… If we are going to make any changes to impact on this season we are quickly approaching the Rubicon. I’m just hopeful that changes don’t come too late. That said – I’m not sure how strong a hand we have to play right now. What play outside of changing the coaching staff or GM can we reasonably make right now? Is change for the sake of change reason enough at this point??? I would say yes… Although I am at a loss to conclude there are superior replacements out there to the current brass.

    At any rate, Can someone remind me why we got rid of Grabovski?
    I’m thinking he would look good in our top six right about now.
    Does anyone know who we got for him anyway?

    • we traded grabovski because he was an a$$hole

      • Expat in TO says:

        By all accounts from all the Leafs fans I am surrounded by he is one of the hardest workers on the team… I am beggining to wonder if we are putting too much of a premium on perceived personality shortcomings when results on the ice are what really matter… At the same time, would anyone care if he were an A$$hole if we were winning?

        • as a prospect he bolted on the team to go whine to his agent when he was a healthy scratch

          sorry but thats just not cool

          • Ali says:

            Pacioretty went public saying he’d rather be in Hamilton playing top six then being stuck on the 4th line in the big leagues and being benched after every mistake. He was standing up for himself. Should we have dumped Maxpac too?

            Oh Captain my Captain…

          • if you cant see the difference between verbally expressing yourself compared to what grabs did then i do not know what to say

          • Ali says:

            if you want a team full of nice boys, you’re better off cheering for your local bantam team. We’ve chased off too many skilled players because they dont conform. Usually, people who stand out don’t.

          • HabFanSince72 says:

            Pacioretty’s statement was and continues to be misinterpreted. He was essentially supporting management’s decision to send him down. i.e. I understand that I am better off playing a lot in Hamilton than not playing in Montreal.

            And it is completely different than refusing to board the team plane to the next game.

          • Ali says:

            actually, i’ve heard the interview. he’s clearly asked, would you rather be in hamilton or montreal, and he said in mtl i’d be on the 4th line and the coach was benching me after every small mistake, so i would rather be in hamilton where i can improve and play and be allowed room to grow.

            Oh Captain my Captain…

          • slychard says:

            Uh no’ the way I saw his statement was that he preferred to stay the season jn Hamilton to improve rather then be called up to play 3rd or 4th line in MTL. All the same it was a brash statement to make and I for one applauded him for it at the time.

          • Ali says:

            “he noted that former coach Guy Carbonneau gave him lots of confidence by reassuring him and working with him, yet under Martin every time he made a mistake he ended up on the fourth line.”

        • Ali, with patches, at worst his comments forced management to keep him in hamilton, which he never had a problem with

          with grabs, he forced management into trading him and at the time there were FEW takers for the guy because shenanigans like what he pulled would be tolerated by VERY few franchises

          • Ali says:

            I agree, Grabs put the team in a position where the asking price was always going to be low. My main point of contention is that the last two coaches we’ve had (Guy and JM) both have been extremely poor communicators. They don’t talk to their players, they are unable to build relationships with them. SK74, Grabs are just two examples of players who could have been made to understand their roles by a coach who took the time to speak. We’re seeing the same thing again with Cole who is clueless as to why he is being used the way he is.

          • this is fair and I agree, I just shake my head at those who dont realize that grabs has his share of culpability in what went down (not saying you dont)

          • showey47 says:

            From what i understand grabovski forced gainey’s hand by not only turning down the qualifying offer he was given 2008,hee also said either trade me or i’m going to the khl. He also played the khl card in his last contract negotiations with burke.

      • avatar_58 says:

        Please. They traded Grabovski without even giving the guy a chance

        • i am sorry, but grabs acted completely unprofessional

          could you imagine if all prospects left their teams, booked flights to their agents each time they were a healthy scratch?

          • slychard says:

            Grabovski was a cancer in the club house, for sure. But what a nice move he did to score the winner in OT. Cole was completely twisted inside out.

  15. Ali says:

    As long as the Habs keep bowing to public pressure and insisting their brainstrust be bilingual, this team will continue to suffer.

    Even if they fire PG and JM, who runs the team? Lemaire? he has no more appetite for coaching. Patrick Roy? I don’t think his temperament would last here. I cant even think of any GM candidates.

    When the Habs hired PG to succeed Gainey, there was a chap named Steve Yzerman looking for a GM’s job. He had all the pedigree of a winner, just not the right sounding name.

  16. Ozmodiar says:

    Post-game presser question for JM:

    “Does Gauthier consult with you before making significant roster changes? If not, does your mama still buy your clothes?”

  17. joshua94k says:

    Observations from Saturday night…

    There is one clear thing emerging from the Canadiens last game. It is not their goaltending, not their defense, not their lack of scoring, not their lack of size or toughness, not their face-off wins, and not their lack of effort or strong play that led to their loss. It was the officiating…

    Brian Gionta was clearly out of the blue area of the crease when he made contact with Leasfs goalie Reimer. No interference penalty should have been called.

    The game tying goal came after the puck went over the glass and play should have been stopped.

    The Leafs have 7 powerplays, Canadiens 3. There for the Canadiens played short-handed for about 14 minutes of the game. Many questionable call including a boarding call made by the referee at centre ice when the play was in the Leafs zone ( a nice time to get the Leafs back in the game when the Habs scored twice in the period and were controlling the game).

    The Canadiens came out flying and dominating the play every period only to have to start killing penalties, taking away the flow of their game and many of the players sitting on the bench being inactive (Eric Cole played on 11 minutes in the game)

    The Leafs hacked , slashed and ran at Price and the Refs allowed them to. They even gave Price a slashing penalty…

    The Leafs played like saints and didn’t get called for anything in the 3rd period.

    You can look at issues such as the coach (is there a suitable bilingual replacement available right now?), the GM, the draft, the size and toughness, the lack of scoring, the defense etc.

    But the real issue is that the Canadiens were perhaps the most penalized team in the NHL last year and this year bad penalties are costing them games. They get them when they are trying to get back in the game, they get them when they are protecting a lead. Some are bad calls by the refs, some are dumb lazy penalties, but there are too many of them.

    “It’s too much for one guy to shoulder. For us, we’re going to do it as a group. It’s about sharing that responsibility win or lose.” – Mike Cammalleri

    • LA Loyalist says:

      Wow. Bet you were great at explaining to the teacher why your homework wasn’t done.

      We have no control over the refs, injuries, the cap, or monetary policy.

      Play through it. Score a shorty. Hit somebody.

      • joshua94k says:

        In the past Scotty Bowman used to get after the referees, Sam Pollock would call the NHL office. Bowman would be telling the media about the bad officiating. They didn’t live with it. They made sure bad calls would not be a recurring event. That’s why they won so many Cups. Bowman continued to do this in Pittsburgh and Detroit as well.

        Martin quietly watches and does nothing. During the 2010 play-offs in Game 2, the Capitals ran over Halak, the Canadiens had the most penatlties and after the game, all Matin would say was that the game was exciting for the fans.

        “It’s too much for one guy to shoulder. For us, we’re going to do it as a group. It’s about sharing that responsibility win or lose.” – Mike Cammalleri

  18. boonie says:

    The trending theme over the past few HIO sessions seems to be “JM can’t maximize the talents of the players PG brings in”. Interesting.

    Everyone here has their opinion about JM and PG. Until recently, most people saw the decades-long relationship between JM and PG as their agreement on most hockey matters. I think it’s time to question that.

    To paraphrase one of my least favorite hype-machines, Bill Parcells, “if they ask you to cook the meal, they should let you buy the groceries…” In the modern NHL, GMs don’t coach other than for short interim stints (Gainey and Lamorello come to mind). But winning teams usually have a GM and a coach who share the same hockey style. Bylsma doesn’t expect stalwart defensive play from his Crosby and doesn’t count on last minute catch up goals from Asham (he happens, but rarely by design).

    PG clearly likes talented, speedy forwards (smaller ones happen to be easier to acquire for reasons well-discussed around here). Everyone wants a big goalie that can change a game with a big save or six. PG’s defensive preferences are more difficult to summarize – but I’ll try this, some combination of: stay-at-home, savvy/veterans, younger/transition guys. Someone here will do a better job that this (HH and Mr. Rice, this means you).

    Now, JM seems to love grinders. Grinders to the left of us. Grinders to the right of us. Grinders in front of us. Into the jaws of losses rode the Habs.

    Our leaders are buying groceries for a swanky vegan affair and then cooking them to the point of disintegration. They are not on the same page for this party.

    They have a long friendship, so I don’t see JM going anywhere – soon. I expect that PG will move him upstairs if Molson urges change.

    More important — for us fans — is making sure the next coach can maximize the talents of this team; and they have talent. If PG can’t or won’t find that person (I think Boucher could have used them better. That’s just a hunch, not based on Roloson’s poor start or TB’s nice playoff run), then he should go too.

  19. mjames says:

    This Trotter trade is minor and while it will have little bearing on the team’s performance, it does serve as another example of a management team with no discernible long term plan. It is another reaction to some short term issue. We give away an upside player who we can not use for some journeyman player who will fade and maybe play 5 min if JM is coaching. I don’t know how many players we have literally given away because either they annoyed the coach or we could not use them .

    This band aid approach with no plan does not work. PG and gainey have assembled a team through ad hoc moves and signings that does not have the skill to win. we also have a coach who imposes a system or style which is inconsistent with the current players’ skill set.

    I really think we need to rebuild and not retool. Maybe if the sent Gomez down , Cammy might not be so nonchalant.

    I expect the team to pick up 2 pts over the next three games. If martin goes then Gainey and PG should to go.

    the only good thing about this mess is we are developing some young Dmen . I hope gainey or PG do not give them away as we did McDoungh, Beauchemin, O/Bryne, Hainsey, etc.

    I know I could do a better job than either gainey or PG. These guys are inept. I don’t want to hear about injuries. Look at the Pens they have more injuries than us and they win.

    One last thing. will someone please tell Markov that James Andrews’ office is in Birmingham AL and not Florida. Maybe that why his rehab has been derailed. Abbot (Gainey) and Costello (PG) must have given Markov the directions.

    mjames

  20. Barts says:

    By the way…’bulk up’? Is that a joke?

  21. pals1969 says:

    This is the type of GM we need, good read,
    http://sports.nationalpost.com/2011/10/21/excerpt-the-lives-of-conn-smythe/

    Hockey, to Smythe was “total war,” and a good team required the same qualities that went into a sound fighting unit: strong leadership, teamwork, discipline, and a willingness to engage in hand-to-hand combat. “Nobody pops someone on this team without getting popped back,” he once declared. “I’m not interested in hockey players who don’t play to win. You can take penalties, but you gotta play to win.” He would preach that doctrine throughout his career. It was behind his preference for hard-working, self-effacing, team-oriented players over high-scoring, high-maintenance stars, whom he generally viewed as more trouble than they were worth. His best teams would consist of hard-nosed warriors, as skilled with their elbows as they were with the puck. A hockey team, he insisted, should attack on all fronts at all times. If a Toronto Maple Leaf happened to win a scoring title he could expect scant praise from Smythe, who like as not would use it as evidence he wasn’t spending enough time in the corners.

  22. Barts says:

    Amen Jack Todd.

  23. adamkennelly says:

    Canadiens Bulk Up? hahahaha…who wrote that? I hope they win tonight cause the 2 pts may come in handy in April if things change – the rest of the week is gonna be very tough. JM needs to go and I would bet a lot of money that this is his last NHL job…

  24. I miss this guy…

    http://youtu.be/pLIDCLKfTq8

    “When I was a baby I wish my first word had been “QUOTE”, then right before I die I could say “UNQUOTE” – Stephen Wright

  25. SeriousFan09 says:

    It’s cute when the Gazette lets the people who don’t actually know anything about the team’s drafting or prospects write articles about the Canadiens slamming them for it. Todd’s rant resembles that of Stu Cowan’s piece last year when he talked about the success of teams based on high picks where he named Jack Skille and Cam Barker as key members of the Blackhawks rebuilding strategy and Cup win For those of you who may not know, Skille didn’t have a single playoff game and Barker had been shipped out months ago in a deal that brought in their current top defensive prospect Nick Leddy. That was sharp research on Cowan’s part.

    Todd: “Canadiens have gotten older”

    Except for you know, Raphael Diaz, Alexei Yemelin, Yannick Weber, PK Subban coming on as blue-liners since 10-11, average age of 23.5 right there. Jaro Spacek is not going to be back next year so that leaves the only POTENTIAL over-35 D on the team as Gill, if he is taken on for another season, IF. for Hamilton: 20-year old Morgan Ellis and Jarred Tinordi hop in, as does a 19-year old Nathan Beaulieu and 23-year old Greg Pateryn. The defence is completely geared towards becoming one of the youngest and a dynamic group in 3 years, or less.

    Forwards: Max Pacioretty, Lars Eller are both 22, David Desharnais is 25. Ryan White is 23, new addition Nokelainen is 25. Canadiens added 20-year olds Berger, Leblanc, Nattinen to Hamilton this year, in addition to 20-year olds Alex Avtsin and Gabriel Dumont on sophomore campaigns. Next year, 20-year old Gallagher, Bournival are set to arrive, along with a 22-year old Danny Kristo.

    And as HH pointed out yesterday the team has drafted very well in fact, but the issue has been player retention more than blowing the draft picks they’ve used. Todd with a swing and a miss, again.

    There is no guaranteed blue-chipper in the pipeline no, but to say the cupboard is empty is ridiculous. We cleared out Hamilton in the last year and now we’re waiting on a new class to arrive. We have two top prospects on defence in Tinordi and Beaulieu plus at least three potential sleepers there as well in Dietz, Bennett and Ellis. Kristo, Avtsin, Leblanc, Bournival, Gallagher all have something to offer at forward as well. Can’t say the team has not drafted well enough when half the time you’re using the trade of skilled players away from the team for nothing as fodder for why they should be fired.

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
    SF09 on Twitter

    • greggiemchabfan says:

      well written, seriousfan. A reactive and unresearched submission is fine for a fan but unacceptable for paid columnists like Cowan and Todd. These guys are supposed to be impartial and above such emotional outbursts.

    • joeybarrie says:

      For once I have to say I do not completely disagree with Jack Todd. However, it would be nice if I could get his money to point out errors in retrospect… Cause that job is easy. Like for instance, firing Demers 4 games into the season when I am pretty sure it was 5 games into the season. Also the Canadiens being the only team that have made mistakes on players, and what about the great decisions?????? I guess Todd doesnt want to go back to the things he wrote about Jaro vs Carey… And how is it that we dont draft well, but still seem to be giving up on these players that we didnt draft well too soon… How do you give a list of good draft picks, then say that they drafted badly? I am interested in applying for this job, point out the errors after the fact. You apparently dont even have to assess the good.
      I will say this team made a huge mistake not keeping Hamrlik.

      There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

    • Clay says:

      Interesting how you just disregard his good points (of which there were many), and then throw in a bunch of BS to account for your point of view; the BS consisting of you listing a bunch of players in Hamilton – most of whom will never even make the NHL – as ‘proof’ of the teams ‘youth’.

      I know that you need to be right, and will argue until you are blue in the face before admitting otherwise, so I will just leave you with this one FACT – the average age of the Montreal Canadiens is 27.7 years.

      (source: http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/opinion/2011/10/canadian-teams-among-youngest-and-oldest-in-nhl.html#panel0)

      *edit*: according to this link – http://www.quanthockey.com/TS/TS_AverageAge.php – they are even older, at 28.082

      __________________________
      Anyway, I’ve never been captain in 16 years in the NHL. But that didn’t stop me being a leader in my own way.
      Guy Lafleur

      • showey47 says:

        http://www.nhlnumbers.com/teams?sort=average_age&order=asc&year=

        nhl numbers have them at 26.915 which puts them at 9th youngest.

      • SeriousFan09 says:

        The Canadiens added five players to the roster from April of 2010 to Januray of 2011 aged 25 or under in Subban, Weber, Pacioretty, White and Desharnais. That does not make them a younger team? They added a pair of 25-year old defencemen this season in Diaz and Yemelin as well.

        The team has cut itself down to 2 over-35 players on the roster, next year it is PERHAPs 1 if Hall Gill makes another go of it or retire, the team has not a single player at that age. They have a huge wave of incoming youth to Hamilton over the next two years, will they all be NHL players? No but to say the drafting is doing nothing is foolish at best and says he is not doing his research. The team’s generally developed very well out of Hamilton, the issue has been player retention, not that they can’t draft talented players. His assertation is ignorant at best.

        - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
        SF09 on Twitter

    • zak says:

      Why don’t you write about the players that were traded or let go. How long will these great prospect in the system before they’re traded away.

    • jmsheehy19 says:

      ” Canadiens added 20-year olds Berger, Leblanc, Nattinen to Hamilton this year, in addition to 20-year olds Alex Avtsin and Gabriel Dumont on sophomore campaigns. Next year, 20-year old Gallagher, Bournival are set to arrive, along with a 22-year old Danny Kristo.”

      Hamilton should be a really fun team to watch next year. I know I’m probably completely alone in this, but I’m really excited to see how Nattinen turns out. Being a defensive specialist in every sport I’ve ever played has always swayed my interest to those tip of players

  26. Chrisadiens says:

    Poor Cole. He must be wishing he never signed here. He got greedy and wanted that extra year and now look. Hes stuck playing for a coach that has no respect for his players.

    Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Not sure I would call that Greedy, I wouldn’t turn it down, and would hope any sane person would accept guaranteed money.

      • Chrisadiens says:

        Maybe a poor choice of words but it was the deal breaker for him. Im sure he regrets it nonetheless.

        BTW, nice rant last night. :)

        Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

      • J_P says:

        Well said. No reason for cole to turn it down. Youd like to think that all players are competitors, and professionals, and that winning trumps money, but who are we kidding.

        Win or lose, cole will still get paid. That extra year is an extra 4.5 million in his pocket (which is already a higher annual salary than carolina probably would have paid him).

        Which raises a glaring issue. Either current management doesnt know how to motivate players, or they acquire the wrong players.

    • CanadienBoy says:

      Let see 18 mil.. for 34 years old and Gillis just pick up Booth 26 year at 18 mil..

    • SmartDog says:

      I wish he hadn’t signed here too.
      But as usual, no-one asked me.

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  27. HabinBurlington says:

    I don’t get the Pierre McGuire requests. He was an Asst. Coach/Scout in Pittsburgh when Jagr and Mario ran the the team. I think he opened and closed the bench door beautifully in the playoffs mind you. He was then an Asst. Coach with the Whalers when they were a bad team and missed the playoffs, thus earning him head coaching duties the next year when they missed the playoffs and was then fired. He then worked as Scout for a bad Ottawa Senators team in 94-96.

    Edit: I neglected to mention his 1 year as Head Coach of the Baton Rouge Kingfish when they failed to make the playoffs.

    I admit he annoys me on TV to no end which is a personal Bias. But what in that resume says Hire Pierre for GM or Coach. He also has never played NHL hockey. Those rings he speaks of in Pittsburgh had nothing to do with him. In fact the Asst. Coaches of record those years were Rick Kehoe, Barry Smith and Rick Paterson. Pierre may not even have opened the gate as I earlier presumed.

    • J_P says:

      There is a reason why Pierre Mcguire always gets passed over for GM jobs. Some people here just stubbornly dont understand.

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      Last holding a job in the league in 1996, that’s GM material right there indeed.

      - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

    • showey47 says:

      I don’t get it either. The fact that he loved it when burke signed komisarek and beauchemin says it all.I give kudo’s to the guy for trying to get a g.m.’s job in the nhl and all but i feel it would benefit us if it was with a divisional rival. Former blue jackets g.m. doug maclean tore a strip off him last week on nhlxm when maguire criticized his picks like brule and mason on tsn recently. Maclean went on to say maguire was ranting and raving about how great those same players when they were actually picked years ago. Though maclean did suck as a g.m.,maguire has a history back peddling on his comments.

  28. Chrisadiens says:

    As much as we’ve sucked so far this season. I think Florida is in for a shalacking tonight. I can see a lopsided win coming for the Habs. As for the rest of the week….uh oh. Could be JMs last week here.

    Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

  29. SmartDog says:

    WTF??? More size?

    What a CRAZY IDEA!!!!!
    Where does PG come up with these strokes of genius? I dunno. I just dunno.

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  30. habsfan reduxit says:

    … from this morning’s press, we read, “You guys seem more upset than we are,” Michael Cammalleri said Saturday when speaking to the media.

    … this is a very disturbing thing to read. Fans are upset, Michael, because fans can’t get on the ice themselves and do something to turn the team around. Fans have to leave that up to the players and coaches, and when players make statements showing they aren’t concerned, what do you expect fans to do?

    “Whenever you have the puck, and don’t know what to do with it, put it in the net.” – Toe Blake

    • slychard says:

      That statement wasn’t ment to mean indifference on his part, I believe, simply that he’s confident things will turn around. (I hope)
      I did appreciate Eller’s comment about the zone clearing deficiency. I’m liking this player more and more.

    • J_P says:

      Why should cammy be upset? He’s still going to make his $6 million this season even if we finish dead last.

  31. matraque says:

    It’s funny… In a TEAM sports, where the game is actually played by players, fans actually think it’s the GM and coach fault that the players cannot deliver.

    Put ANY coach behind the team at its current state and nobody will make it win.

    Do they still want to play for the GM and coaching staff? That is another story… But it is certainly not their fault if the team keeps losing. We have no defence, Carey is sucking right now and PK needs some Ritalin.

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    • CanadienBoy says:

      MAY be having a proper D coach like Robinson and a proper PP special unit like Muller would or a young and aggressif head coach like Boucher but the exciting front office did not want to loose they jobs to them

    • Clay says:

      I respectfully disagree… it is the coach’s job to motivate his players, not teach them to play – they already know how to play.
      It is the job of the GM to pick up players who will work well with the coach.
      Clearly our coach is not motivating the players as he should be, nor did the GM pick up players who will excel under the ‘system’.

      __________________________
      Anyway, I’ve never been captain in 16 years in the NHL. But that didn’t stop me being a leader in my own way.
      Guy Lafleur

  32. hoffska says:

    Read the story on Metro and tell me you don’t want him back centering the fourth line! The guy is all heart and thats exactly what we need! (not bad on faceoffs either)
    Fire JM and bring in Muller!

    Watch how fast things turn around then!

  33. TommyB says:

    It makes me laugh when someone comes on here and calls people Chicken Littles, bandwagon jumpers,etc. I only ask the question: when do your feathers begin to show? Do you see some light at the end of the tunnel? If so, when does it shine through? Tonight, against a team the Habs should be able to compete with? Would that be reason for optimism? What if they lose again? Does it turn around vs Philly? Boston?

    A favourite line of these type goes something like “It’s only seven games in.” or they point to the won/loss record of some other team to bolster there optimism. Fair enough. But I have never been a Chicken Little, and I do realize the infancy of the season, but as I have said previously, I don’t base my criticism on the the won/loss record. I base my concerns on the seemingly totally uninspired play, the obvious coaching gaffes, and the band-aid roster tweaking. I think many others who are voicing concerns feel the same way. It’s not about the team’s record seven games into the season. Something’s broken, and it needs to be fixed.

    • G-Man says:

      All I’ve read on here since the season has started is how terribly awful the organization is pretty much from top to bottom.
      So, yes, I do call these so-called “fans” Chicken Littles. If being a fan is based on your own criteria of management, coaching and roster, why aren’t you a fan of the most recent cup winner every year?
      The “something’s broken” routine happened in ’95. Want a rinse and repeat of that debacle, with the 3 stooges running things? Take a deep breath and wait for the injured D to get back, like Spacek and Campoli. (And, no Gauthier could not have foreseen his injury).

      • TommyB says:

        First and foremost I am a hockey fan. The Montreal Canadiens happen to be my favourite hockey team. Been that way since I was seven years old. That’s fifty years ago, I don’t mind saying. I’ve seen many ups and downs with this team, and nobody could ever accuse me of being a fairweather fan. During that fifty years, I’ve also played and still play today. In fact, I’m heading out soon for a game of pickup. I have also coached the game for 25 years. This doesn’t make me anything special. It merely makes me no different than millions of other Canadians. So calling me a “so-called” fan might even be a compliment, thank you very much.

        It doesn’t take a brain surgeon to realize that injuries are playing havoc with the team right now, but I also do not believe everything changes and all is rosy once we get healthy again. I do believe that the Habs have a coach who is not suited to the roster we have. That is what I feel is broken, and needs to be addressed. Take your “Why aren’t you a fan of the most recent cup winner every year”, and stick it where the sun don’t shine, sir…….respectfully.

      • avatar_58 says:

        Yes folks, Spacek and Campoli will right the ship. Overlooking the fact that PK is struggling, Gorges can’t seem to find the puck, Gill is slow and the 2 rookies aren’t finding their legs.

        I’m sorry I don’t see it.

  34. bigjames says:

    great feature on metro. always liked the guy (when he played for us of course). i remember beliveau shoulder pumping him in the coridor to the room in one of the playoff series. metro is no beliveau but i would have him back. i dunno why we give up on good faceoff guys. it is so crucial! see late period goal against buffalo sigh…

    • avatar_58 says:

      Metro and Moore are two guys I didn’t want to see leave. Bet they would look awfully good on this team now. Neither quit on any plays, even if everyone else did.

      Centers should be Plek / Eller / Moore / Metro. Don’t really care where Gomez goes.

  35. HabinBurlington says:

    I had a bit of a rant (could have been beer fuelled) yesterday which I am not accustomed to doing. Will clarify a few things.

    I do think Trotter is a nice player, and perhaps is a player capable of one day playing on a skilled line for an NHL team. My issue was primarily with the HIO site and the comment of how he would or may go on to score 20 with Phoenix this year. If Trotter was going to play on one of our Top 2 lines fine, but there isn’t room for him there right now, and it serves no purpose to have him on our 4th line.

    Erik Cole serving bench minors. I do recognize many skilled forwards have to serve bench minors as they may not be our Penalty Killers. Having said that, if he is a skilled forward and has size to boot, wouldn’t that be a shoe in for playing some powerplay?

    While the trade was much ado about little, there is a glimmer of hope in that this trade shows a recognitionof Mgmtm that our 4th line needs help in both faceoff circle and bringing up Blunden shows a recognition of size needed. (May not answer the need, but recognizes)

    I actually like the core of our team and believe we aren’t too far away from being a solid team. The problem is the pieces we need aren’t readily available. (Horse of a Dman, 2 more Ryan Whites)

    Lastly, I like DD, but a team can only have some many skilled small forwards. If indeed going forward this team has Cammy, Gio, Gomez, DD, and Plex that is just too many diminuitive players. I say this from a numbers perspective only.

    Bonne Chance Monsieur Gauthier!

    • Habfan10912 says:

      I liked your rant Burl. Team is flawed but for cripes sake we r better than what we’ve shown. Martin has shown a knack for putting some players in the dog house and once your there u can’t escape.We know who they r and I am afraid Cole is in Martins bow wow chalet and won’t escape. On the other side is his love affair with others that seem to be able to do anything and no action taken. See Gomez.

      Do your research

      • HabinBurlington says:

        I did get to see my Steelers win a game comfortably yesterday. Had been a long time since a team I root for won a game and won comfortably. It allowed for a smoother easier beer drinking experience, thus the rant when football was over. The Martin press comment kind of threw me over the ledge on him. I respect the fact he was frustrated, but you can’t start condemning your players in the press, that is a Ron Wilson move. And while the Leafs are better this year, it is their roster that is improved not their coaching.

    • avatar_58 says:

      What top lines? This team doens’t have any specified top 6. Right now the door is open for ANYONE to step up and steal top 6 minutes. Even Darche.

      Whoever scores gets ice time really. So if Trotter scored, he would get ice time.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        How could Trotter play ahead of MaxPac, AK, Cole, Cammy, and Gio. Seriously you would play him ahead of those guys?

        • avatar_58 says:

          Max, the guy who didn’t try the last game? Cole who Martin refuses to use? Gio? Don’t even mention that guy, I forgot he even played for the habs the last few games.

          So yes, anyone can step up. No goals, no ice time.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            I don’t disagree Maxpac’s effort looked less than stellar last Sat. (not just the single highlight that Glenn Healy offered either), and Gionta has struggled. I just would not be prepared to have any of that group be replaced by Trotter this early in the year. Again, I have nothing against Trotter, he is a Manitoba kid which makes me like him even more as that is my stomping ground, I just don’t think we currently had room for him on NHL roster on top 2 lines which is where a player of his style deserves to play.

  36. Thomas Le Fan says:

    So who would trade rosters and staff with the 3-5 Bruins? Are they doomed too?

    • avatar_58 says:

      You mean the stanley cup champs? Those Bruins?

      • Thomas Le Fan says:

        Yep. They are 3-5. They will miss the playoffs. No? If not, why not? If are we doomed, aren’t they? Is it early for both teams or just the “Stanley Cup champs”? Don’t get me wrong, we suck right now but the champs aren’t a heck of a lot better, are they? Besides, Washington will be 82-0 and all will be moot. What can go wrong?

  37. HabFanSince72 says:

    There’s no need to re-iterate what everyone knows about Gauthier and Martin. However:

    Two years ago, before he’d even coached a game, Martin decided he had something against Latendresse and Lapierre. He made the decision at a pre-season rookie training camp they’d been asked to attend, and had (let’s be honest) shown less than optimum attitude.

    He similarly decided he didn’t like Sergei, during the pre-season.

    All three were shipped out for nothing (in the final analysis), and all three are productive NHLers at the moment.

    This year for a bizarre reason it is Erik Cole who is in the doghouse. I’ve never actually heard a coach diss a new player publicly as much as Martin has done with Cole. The difference now is he’s making Gauthier look like a fool.

    • slychard says:

      Of course he’s making him to look the fool. Martin is treating him like a rookie and this will not pass. Now he’s being exposed for what he is, an old vengeful incapable and unwilling to communicate chip on the shoulder curmudgeon poor excuse of a coach set in his old ways. You can play games with unproven players but not a proven warrior. If I were Molson I’d step in to protect my investment.

    • avatar_58 says:

      What pisses me off is why didn’t Gauthier talk to Martin? What was the point of wasting cap space on a top 6 forward that Martin refuses to use?

      Funny he won’t give Cole a chance but Gomez has all the chances in the world. Either salary does or does not make a difference. Pick one Count.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        I had always assumed that the communication between PG and JM was excellent. It was one of the reasons I gave them the benefit of doubt even though I wasn’t a fan of either when hired. That is what is most perplexing about the Cole situation. While I don’t understand how some players are slow starters, Cole has that reputation, all the more reason for PG/JM to have spoken and not have COle in the Chateau BowWow already.

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      Latendresse had all the physical qualities of a power forward, but not a tenth of the heart or effort of Max Pacioretty. Good riddance that self-entitled punk. He played below expectations for three years with weak effort when the games mattered and made a mockery of the CH in his ‘effort’ in 08-09.

      Lapierre, an energy forward who had issues being a ‘self-starter’ which is ridiculous, a coach shouldn’t have to coddle a guy like hi to get him to his job.

      Sergei is arguably a loss yes, especially with no return but the first two easily played their way off the team despite getting far better chances than Sergei K ever got with this team over a much longer timeframe.

      - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
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    • SmartDog says:

      Martin will go.

      But it’s closing the barn door once the horses have already got out.
      The damage he’s done to this team will take 3 years to repair.

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  38. deebee says:

    so why is it that any team i’ve watched on the tele gets mad and upset when the opposing team crashes their net. why didn’t anyone from the coaching staff send Markov for an independent evaluation on his progress before handing him his contract? how come our scouts cannot seem to pick quality players for the coaching staff to choose?

    here’s why, the coach (JM), the scouts, and the GM (PG) are all incompetent.

  39. JF says:

    Most of what Jack Todd says is spot on. Management are certainly to blame, beginning with the ridiculous French-only stipulation, especially for the GM. Most of a GM’s dealings will be with other GMs and with players’ agents. How often does he address the media? Two or three times a year? That stipulation meant that when the Canadiens were looking for a successor to Bob Gainey, the candidates for the job numbered approximately one. Are there any possible candidates at the moment? Very likely not. We need someone with vision, someone with enough cunning and ruthlessness to get what he wants, fleecing other teams in the process if necessary.

    However, I think Todd’s criticisms are a little off the mark when he claims that the Canadiens haven’t drafted well and are getting older. We have only to look around the League to see how well the Canadiens have drafted. The problem lies more in trying to fit players into roles they’re unsuited for and in giving up on them too soon than in drafting. But the team is getting younger, and we do have a number of good-looking prospects in the pipeline as well as promising young players who made the team last year.

    The Canadiens need to clean house, but they need to know what they’re doing and what they want. Nothing will be gained by acting out of panic. They need to know who they want to run the team and who they want to coach it, then go out and get those people. If the team slips any further, temporary measures will have to be taken, but I hope those won’t include hiring someone completely inexperienced because he speaks French, or giving up anything for bandaid solutions.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      But Todd never said that the problem is the supposed French-language clause. That’s your (and a few others on here) little hobby horse.

      • PureGuava says:

        Yes – take the leading scorer in Hamilton and play him on the 4th line for five minutes a game, and then banishing him to bench whenever he makes a perceived mistake. The Canadiens have danced this little routine for years…

        It’s gotten old.

        “Of course I’m crazy, but that doesn’t mean I’m wrong.”
        - Robert Anton Wilson

      • JF says:

        You’re right, he didn’t say that. But it has to be part of the problem. It certainly limits the Canadiens’ choices when it comes to choosing a GM and coach. I think a case can be made that the coach should be able to communicate in French, but for the GM it seems totally irrelevant.

        • HabFanSince72 says:

          I agree with you on both counts, but Gauthier wasn’t hired because of his language. And you could argue he was the best person to take over from Gainey at the time (not anymore of course).

          • avatar_58 says:

            Interim yes – Gauthier was a good choice. Problem is they went and made him permanent instead of looking outside.

  40. PureGuava says:

    Jack Todd for General Manager.

    “Of course I’m crazy, but that doesn’t mean I’m wrong.”
    - Robert Anton Wilson

  41. G-Man says:

    Welcome to Chicken Little Inside Out. Much squawking about how the season is already over and last place in the league is now the new goal.
    Hope you all don’t change your tune when the team turns it around.

    • Bill J says:

      If Robinson and Roy come in, and somehow save this team. I will be happy, but I can’t see it happening.


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    • HabFanSince72 says:

      You think things are going well?

    • RetroMikey says:

      The team will maybe turn it around and eke into a playoff spot and then another 1st or 2nd round exit in the playoffs.
      Boy, the team has goals for the fans doesn’t it G-MAn?
      Rise together as they say!
      I want a winner and so do others!
      Management may fool you but not me!

      “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

    • nbsjfan says:

      No offence, and I mean that, but you obviously haven’t been watching the games. The defence of this team consists of 3 kids with minimal to no NHL experience. Our #1,2,3 D are PK (ok sounds reasonable) Gorges and Gill – Gorges and Gill #2,#3? This team has no chance to defend properly and its a wart that many people saw since July 1 but the braintrust of the team somehow missed. You cannot win in this league without good defence and this team will be no different.

  42. slychard says:

    I’m thinking of taking up some sort of craft to occupy myself this season. Not only is my hockey team off to a bad start my football team ain’t looking any better. I’m a viqueens fan… perhaps crochet or macrame? It’s gonna be a long season for me on both fronts.

  43. HabsFanMTL says:

    Bring in Pierre Macguire as GM , he knows the players better than anyone and knows who has talent and who doesn’t and how much they are worth and bring in Kirk Muller as Head Coach or anyone for that matter other than JM

  44. HardHabits says:

    Anyways. I’ve said it 1000 times and I’ll keep on repeating. The Habs need to stop trying to make the play-offs every season and should focus on building a team that can actually do something when they get there. All I see is a hope that ’86 can be repeated again.

    • Bill J says:

      The Habs didn’t tank for 86. But I agree with you, adding a elite forward talent is a key ingredient to playoff success.


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  45. Habfan10912 says:

    Eller not aware of the goalie change Saturday night speaks volumes of our coaching staff and our player leadership. Maybe our tremendous Captain said it in French and Eller didn’t understand. Sarcastic.

  46. RetroMikey says:

    Like I said many times on his site for the past 2 years, our Montreal Canadiens are skilled but too small and yes, too old for some vets to play on D and with they younger DMan we have, they are just average at best to play in the NHL.
    Bobby Gainey blew ship on tis team years ago when he tried to assemble this team into firewagon hockey from the old days when Montreal was successful and failed. Today’s NHl you need bigger players and players who will sacrifice themselves in front of the net as well.
    Don’t expect any miracles his year fans, as I have said along many times here and being berated by Habs fans who can’t handle the truth, it will get worse for our team before it gets better.
    And yes, Mikhail Grabovski is a great player, he is finally showing that he can play in the NHL and he may be old, but Roman Hamrlik can still play with the best of the best in the NHL, a rare breed.
    Even with Martin being fired, we have so many problems on this team.

    “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

  47. HabsFanInTampa says:

    To think we had Dominic Moore, The Wiz, Jeff Halpern, Hamrlik and even O’Byrne all on our team. Like Jack Todd stated inexpensive, character players. Of course we couldn’t sign any of them because we had to get our messiah-built-as-tough-as-pottery Markov on our payroll. That’s all I kept hearing all last season. Sign someone who has only played 52 games in the last THREE seasons no matter what. Here we sit 29th out of 30 teams. We have to always settle for the best Franco coach or GM, instead of the BEST coach or GM. We tie our own hands and find blame on the outside. Ownership sells out every single game for an inferior product. Do you think they are motivated to sign or make transactions when they rake in the $$$ every single day of the season? Why would they want to reduce their profit margin?

  48. HardHabits says:

    I rarely agree with anything Todd says but his “Management to blame for Canadiens’ problems” article is spot on.

    • Bill J says:

      He also says drafting is to blame, but just yesterday you applauded the Habs drafting. Let’s not pretend Todd suddenly shed his bipolarism.

      Most posters here have been saying the GM and Coach are largely to blame. Nothing new to us.


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  49. Dulljerk says:

    Minor moves to solve a major problem. I don’t get the
    acquisition of Nokelainen.

    “Muckers win games”

  50. CharlieHodgeFan says:

    If Blunden, Darche and Nokelainen come out for a power play….

  51. CanadienBoy says:

    Booth 6′ 212lbs……….

  52. slychard says:

    @holyhabs; Max PAC is NCAA, but I’m with you, he’s the exception to the norm. Not that the NCAA don’t produce but their development is much longer then a Canadian pick. Plus a Canadian boy from the prairies has the roughness the habs desperately needs.

  53. DadidolizedDougHarvey says:

    I, for one, will not be watching tonight’s game..Saturday’s game was enough for me for a while…it’s unbelievable, they can’t even protect Price…

    • twocents says:

      How did the loafs do in protecting Reimer?

      • DadidolizedDougHarvey says:

        I could give a damn what the Leafs do…they’ve been running Price for weeks now, and the Habs look handcuffed in responding, remember Cole nudging the Leafs player in the head after he’d run Price when it looked like what he wanted to do was open up and nail him, which I dare say is what should have happpened.

        • HardHabits says:

          Why even bother with these Habologists. Only the most deluded fan thinks the Habs team is Cup contender.

        • twocents says:

          I bet if the loafs’ tough guys had exacted revenge on Gionta or Moen, there would be people on here talking about how the loafs know how to respond.

          Since they didn’t everyone ignores the fact that they did what the Habs did, stick to trying to win the game.

          I found Stubb’s article equally convenient.

  54. Montreal1993 says:

    i’ll be taking CPR courses over the next 2 days, maybe i’ll be able to bring this organization back to life??

  55. cuzzie says:

    Hope I’m wrong, but I don’t think Molson will do anything. He’s Mr. MoneyBags. $$$$$$$$$$!!!!

    Stay Thirsty My Friends!

  56. HolyHabs says:

    Nothing there. Too little too late with a team built wrong.

    Someone should buy Gauthier a map of the world and circle the country called Canada. Hockey is played in that country where the boys actually care. Forget about squirts and soft Euros and NCAA Americans. Get some over 6 foot +200 pound proud Canadians that don’t crap in their pants when the going gets tough. If you can’t do that, at least get some French Canadians instead of the token 2 you have now.

    Not true? Name me one habs fan not cringing this week with Philly and a Boston home and home coming up. Little guys that even try to play big get hurt. Watch the injury list next Sunday.

  57. HardHabits says:

    Jack Todd is obviously a fan of HH.

  58. slamtherimtim says:

    nice poll, this should get interesting

  59. HabFanSince72 says:

    Hey come on – the man built his company into one of the most profitable in its field.

  60. HabinBurlington says:

    I think it is very early to start piling on to this particular ownership group. It is one thing to judge players and even coaches after 1-2 years, but an ownership cannot be judged that quickly. If all he cared about was money, why is this team spending at or near the cap since he took over. There are some veterans in Hamilton like Alex Henry who make more than AHL average in order to keep them there as Veterans to lead the kids. Those are not things done by an owner skimping. He also has not raped and pillaged the scouting staff making them use video like Buffalo’s previous owner.

  61. Asad_B says:

    jligb21 I agree with you 100%. I am sick and tired of watching our best player being hit and our P*&$@%y of a team does nothing, while we hit the oppsoing teams goalies and they pounce on our guys. If this team is going to have any success we need to get depth and “SIZE”, or for the love of GOD do we need size. until coach & GM are not gone this team will not progress.

  62. cuzzie says:

    Gillet did.

    Stay Thirsty My Friends!

  63. HabinBurlington says:

    I didn’t hear about the video scouts and firing. When did that occur?

  64. showey47 says:

    The habs fired scouts but didn’t go to video scouting,they hired new ones.

  65. HabinBurlington says:

    You mean to tell me, that there are things being said on this site that are inaccurate? Thanks for the answer Showey, I didn’t think they had done that.

  66. HabinBurlington says:

    @jl, I don’t know either way, I don’t recall hearing it. I would be dissappointed if they went the route of video scouting. A team with the resources like Montreal, needs to take advantage of their wealth and do everything possible to gain an advantage over other teams. Scouting is probably the greatest example of where that should happen.

  67. G-Man says:

    Listen, jl, you know squat about me, yet you keep making assumptions. I’ve followed the Habs since 1965, so I am probably older than you and have seen more Cup victories.

    Chicken Littles like you are what keep the site entertaining; ignorant, yet entertaining. So, whine on, newby.

  68. showey47 says:

    45% was 2 years ago when he played for phoenix as a 23 year old. He was traded 3 times in 4 years or something then bought out then brought back by the coyotes. I’m at least going to let the guy play some games before i make judgment on him.

  69. SeriousFan09 says:

    Cowan wrote a poor article last year using inaccurate information about what made the Blackhawks successful. Duncan Keith being drafted in the 2nd round in 2002 meant infinitely more to the Hawks than a journeyman like Skille and a rapidly approaching draft-bust status Cam Barker, much ike Todd has written a poor article today.

    He fails to take in the fact that the team is adding young players and the defence is set to become one of youngest in the NHL in 2 to 3 years with bigger players no less. He blames them for a draft record that is entirely responsible for the team having a top player at forward in Pacioretty, a top player on defence in Subban and Price in nets, who he has either chosen to praise or villify like a true turncoat over 4 years. He cites them for trading away talented players, but now insists they can’t draft talent. You can’t have it both ways, either the team can’t draft or they give away their talent. HardHabits, a vocal critic of the team’s management credits them with drafting many NHL quality players but correctly frames the debate as player retention being the issue more than anything.

    I’m not exactly in favour of JM standing behind the bench right now but I don’t ignore doing my research when I talk about the prospects and youth movement of this team unlike Todd who doesn’t seem to care to do so. Our farm has put a serious kick back into the team of late in terms of youth strength and we have another wave set to grow in Hamilton over the next year. By 2012, 11 legitimate prospects under the age of 22 will be Hamilton Bulldogs.

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
    SF09 on Twitter

  70. shiram says:

    Habs have an average player age 26.915. Not exactly old, but that figure does not tell the whole story.

    But the key factor is that our D is inexperimented, and Hal Gill is old slow, and a slow starter too, Gorges is having too play too much difficult minutes.
    Price gets manhandled, and no one can really do anything but him, as he’s bigger than most our D.
    Forwards are not gonna help him much either, I’d hoped Cole would, but he is not, or not on the ice enough to make his presence felt.

    If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

  71. SeriousFan09 says:

    He says the team is getting older, when it is actually getting younger and structure of the defence and our prospect strength there says the team is growing a youth movement there and at forward. They added five younger players out of Hamilton, they signed two young defencemen who are still a couple years from their prime as well. That’s the team getting older? Hamilton will soon be bustling with youth again as well.

    He accuses them of not being able to draft, when they have in fact drafted well, but as HardHabits correctly argued yesterday, they have not done well to retain the talent.

    Conservatism also allows a team not to give Boston a 19-year old #2 overall pick that is currently their leading scorer and a defensive prospect that is 8th overall in OHL scoring at the moment. Burke’s bluster may win him the media, but his drafting record is poor outside of lottery picks and his entire reputation is built on the fact that he arrived on a team carrying Getzlaf, Perry and Scott Niedermayer’s brother, hence why he ended up signing in ANA.

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
    SF09 on Twitter

  72. Expat in TO says:

    I guess I am just tired of hearing that we cut and run on certain players because of attitude or personality issues…The list is long and depressing to consider. But the tough love “shape up or ship out” approach is no longer yielding results… in this day and age when there is a coach for everything you mean to tell me the habs can’t get a psychologist on the payroll to help work with the players /coaches? Some players need to be handled with kid gloves – others don’t … always has been that way.
    Who knows… maybe the habs have something like this in place… I’m grasping at straws at this point – I just find all the wasted talent shipped off because of attitude tough to swallow.

  73. slychard says:

    He was traded before Martin was hired.

  74. Expat in TO says:

    True. But what irks me is the the organization’s pattern of behavior in regards to the perceived head cases. Rather than invest more time mentoring these kids the habs ship them off at fire sale prices…. Only to have some attentive assistant coach or veteran player at the new team give the Ex-Hab Headcase whatever attention or support they were lacking in the Montreal system thus allowing the on-ice ability float to the surface.

  75. Malreg says:

    And at the time every fan thought it was a steal for us. But of course hindsight is 20/20.


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