Canadiens back to work today

Ecept for Roman Hamrlik and Josh Gorges, who weren’t at practice in Brossard this morning.

With Hamrlik getting an extra day to rest his weary bones, Alexandre Picard was paired with James Wisniewski.

The four forward lines that faced Atlanta on Sunday remained intact, which meant Lars Eller was an extra skater.

And Carey Price finished about 53,000 votes behind Marc-Andre Fleury in All-Star voting.

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Tabernac! MAB to Canadiens Sud

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Francois Gagnon’s midseason grades.

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While everyone and his uncle was watching the Juniors romp, Boston beat the Leafs to pull three points ahead of the Canadiens (with two games in hand) and the Rangers called up Ryan McDonagh to see what he’s got.

Difficult stretch ahead

Desharnais deserves a chance

• Pierre Ladouceur’s mid-season report card

• Canadiens slip to 16th in ESPN Power Rankings

• Cute: Ovie and Varlamov as Russian spies


  1. GrimJim says:

    Gill and Gomez wore the A in the last game.

    And of course, Emma Stone…

  2. HabFanSince72 says:

    Cool fact of the day.

    The Habs could have drafted Jarome Iginla. He went 11th that year. With the 8th pick that year we chose …. Terry Ryan.

  3. jrshabs1 says:

     Don’t forget about # 31 and his Alex Kovalev disease affecting his focus and thus hindering his ability to stop the puck on a regular basis. Doctors thought they had cured #31 from AK disease during the summer but somewhere in the beginning of December it flared up again causing #31 and his mates to suffer unexplainable losses. More to follow…..


    Go Habs Go!!

  4. Ian Cobb says:

    Why so late,? where are they playing this tournament??

  5. Mad Habber says:

    Gauthier is just waiting for Bryan Murray to fire Clauston. As soon as he does, Martin is out the door and Clauston is coming in. We need a coach that knows how to throw the goalie under the bus when the team plays poorly.


  6. samTHEman says:

    LOL everyone needs to see this!


    know who wears the A in Markov’s absence? I know Gill has one but who
    has the other? Imo Pleky should have one. When you really think about
    who can grab the team by the horns and individually step up on the ice,
    the only names that really come to mind are Pleky, Gio and Markov…and
    soon enough Subban as well. I am all for Pleky having an A!

  7. Mark C says:

    1. The window opens in 2012-2013

    2. Maybe, but not yet. He handles himself very well at the NHL level, but a short pre-playoff AHL stint might do him well.

    3. No, too much cap money coming back. Not sure I want Regher taking up $4M over the next 2.5 years.

    4. Nope, slightly better.

    5. Yes. The 2005-06 team had the dubious honor of being one of dozen teams in the past 10 seasons to make the playoffs while having a negative goal differential. Even given the recent level of stink, Montreal is still positive in the all important goal differential. Ryder led the team in goals and was top 3 in scoring. Also, Jan Bulis finished 6th in scoring, Jan Bulis people.

    6. Doubt Wiz’s camp will want to sign early, but the sooner the better for Gorges.

    7. No, his scoring was great until a cold December, like the rest of the team.

    8. No, any net gain by adding a bottom-6 player is likely marginal, at best.

    9.  Yes, but I think Management realizes this and is working on it. However, adding skilled players with size is one of the hardest things for a GM to do. Skilled size is highly valued across the league, look at the contracts of Lucic, Armstrong, Backes, Malone, etc. Adding these types of players to a roster takes time, but with Max-Pac and Eller these is some hope.

    10. No, being an offensive defenseman is difficult and perfecting an NHL level game is even more difficult. It took until this year for Mike Green to find the balance needed at the NHL-level to maximize his offensive talents while not being a total defensive liability.    

  8. longbow says:

    Will PG try to get Yemelin out of Russia ?

    Will PG draft D-Men this summer ?

    Realistically we only have Tinordi and Bennet looking forward.

    Signing Gorges and Wiz seems to me to be a no-brainer.I’d even sign Hammer for 2 years at less money.

  9. twocents says:

    Maybe that negativity was what was being addressed with the Lapierre trade, the Subban grounding, and the demoting of Boyd. Ever think of that?

  10. twocents says:

    The “Leblanc is a bust stuff” comes from the same angle Dave(Punkster) is targeting I suspect. The know it all approach. 

  11. 24 Cups says:

    I’d be shocked if we can move Spacek.  He’s getting 3.8M next year no matter what and playoff teams would rather trade for a guy who’s off the payroll this spring.

  12. 24 Cups says:

    Dave – Finally.  I can’t believe it’s taken you three months to figure that all out. 

    You need to try harder:-)  BTW, the line forms behind AK46, Pouliot and Cammalleri.

  13. Timo says:

    Finally, you’re getting it, Dave :)

  14. Timo says:

    Booya, Doggy! :)

  15. mbplekfan says:

    Our problems are obvious.

    We have an abundance of old, past their prime defencemen. We have Gorges just entering the prime of his career and two rookies just getting started. Picard is nothing more than fill in material.

    We added Wiz to the mix but until we get a core of guys in their late 20’s anchoring the defence we will struggle.

    Up front we are small veterans mixed with big rookies. The rookies are a few years away from potential while the veterans are getting older. Very few of our players are in their prime playing years.

    We are prevented from dealing our veterans by no movement clauses and high salaries. We cant move our young guys because we have few players in the system who are ready to step up.

    Replacing Hamrlik and Gill this summer will help immensely. Hopefully we can deal Spacek at the deadline.

    Bob signed these players as stop gap measures while the players in the system developed. Unfortunately they have broken down too early.

  16. 24 Cups says:

    Not anytime soon, I’m afraid.

    You don’t trade Halak for a kid in the minors.

    You’re being silly,  It ‘s  a non-starter.

    Yes.  The injury to Markov probably means we can’t win the division.

    That’s not the right question in terms of what you’re trying to really ask.

    Their agents will say wait until the summer.  We need them both back and it will probably cost a collective 8M.

    Pleks’ value to the team is the least of our concerns.

    White’s not ready.

    Bigger up front?  Where have you been for the past three years:-)

    All this PK crap is starting to wear me down.  He’s a first year NHLer.  If he played in Nashville nobody would be questioning his development or his worth.  I’m just thankful he’s not French-Canadien or the overkill would be more than I could bare.

    We will win the Cup one day with Price in the net.

  17. krob1000 says:

    probably not but I got into defensive mode after all the Leblanc is a bust stuff

  18. Ian Cobb says:

    A friend of mine is in Tabago for two months and we have the use of his home in Brossard at any time.

    Since Mike Boone has not invited us to his place for a week or two this year, we will be staying in Brossard for about 10 days or so.

    Andree and I have tickets for the Pittsburgh game on, Jan. 12th, but we are looking to hook up with a few HIO members to watch a game or two on a large screen somewhere. Any takers.????or suggestions???

  19. krob1000 says:

    Grumpy is as grumpy does! I have always acknowledged the positives of JM but I also am quick to point out what I view as the negatives..real quick!….I don’t normally come out here and just bash JM….he has done some incredible things but I think his mesage was getting old, his treatment was causing resentment, there was a pile up of negativity and he let it happen and IMO was a contributor to it as things were rolling around just great.  Whatever has happened things have looked better adn guys are msiling again and generally looked happy….nice to see again….if that doesn;t happen we aren;t winning anything.

  20. twocents says:

    Rob, I highly doubt that Punkster’s post was aimed at people who post well-supported, thought-out criticisms like yours typically are.

    There’s another breed in here who quite honestly never post anything positive regarding an active Hab’s coach.

  21. jennifer1984 says:

    if i’m correct, game isnt on til 11:30 pm eastern time.

    i believe thats what i saw on tsn last night. i could be wrong though

  22. HabFanSince72 says:

    Your team is the Ducks now. Worry about them and leave us Hab supporters to worry about our team.


  23. ebk says:

    and then we better not criticize the refs or gary bettman or even the headmaster. or Brian Burke or the laffs or …crap, why bother posting at all.


  24. LA Loyalist says:

    we’re what? 3 and 10 – and not against top teams. Do the math. The buck stops with the coach.

  25. krob1000 says:

    wow…you must be a quick reader!lol  I can type them in 20 minutes (error filled I might add)…but to edit them would mean  I would have to read them…no way am I that stupid…

  26. twocents says:

    Easier for some than others. ;o)

    Bottom line, if we are winning, his moves look good, if we are losing, they look bad. We are bound to do some of both, what matters is the end of the race. Last year the race ended nicely. In my mind he’s earned the chance to see what he can do this year, all the way through, barring a complete collapse.

    If we don’t show up in the real season, then by all means they should consider a change, until then, I’ll take the stuff I like along with the stuff I don’t and hope there’s more to it than I can see. 

  27. LA Loyalist says:

    1. After Gomez and Count Chocula are gone

    2. Yes, no reflection on him, but crap ice time is everything at his age

    3. if they take Gomez for a draft pick, yes.

    4. Probably, unless PG finds us a male forward and we dump Count Chocula

    5. No, last years playoffs were the Halak and Cam-Cam show. Send death threats to 1.800.NOG-OMEZ

    6. Hell ya. Get on it. Then if Markov comes back we are much improved on D.

    7. As long as he is playing hard at both ends he is worth it.

    8. Not sure, but I would err on the side of not ruining our utes.

    9. Duh…

    10. He’s a rookie and he has the one thing you can’t teach or buy: TALENT Let’s not ruin him please


    Good questions.

    Too small, too soft, too intangible

  28. Hobie Hansen says:
    1. Impossible to tell when the Stanley Cup will ever return. You have a 1-16 chance if you make the playoffs.
    2. Eller should be sent down!
    3. That trade would never work.
    4. We’ll finish in 7th.
    5. We have improved big-time – we’re slowly getting bigger and more North American.
    6. Sign Wiz and Gorges no matter what, well almost.
    7. Pleks is performing above and beyond.
    8. Call up White, send Eller down.
    9. We’ve needed to get bigger up front for a decade.
    10. Overrated, depends who you ask.
  29. krob1000 says:

    ouch! nice to see you’re still lurking round here.  If we can’t criticize the coaches..then I guess I can’t criticize the players either…never played in the NHl either…heck never even played anywhere of any real merit. I guess it’s OK to be a critic…..but only if you are a Critic of Critics…..that would be a great album name…but the music would probably be awful…can I say that? I am not a musician so I better not….nevermind I ahve never named an album either…I have never….shit…I never realized how little I have done…I guess I better shut up for the next 50 years or so.

  30. Ian Cobb says:

    Thanks JF, GOOD, !  I get a game to watch tonight.!

  31. Ian Cobb says:

    Only way to know, is results Punkster. I was critical of him last year. Until I saw him take this team deep into the play offs. So I have to just sit back and hope he is in the right chair with our organisation.

    The results will tell the Molson boys what to do. They won’t sit ideally by.

  32. Favorite Son says:

    1. Maybe 4-5 years. But everybody knows that once you make the playoffs, anything can happen

    2. Put him on the wing with DD and Pouliot. Darche with Moen and Halpern. Enough with Pyatt already.

    3. Sure why not. I’d trade Cam to get Iginla.

    4. Yes we are, we’re a 7-9th place team right now. We will make the playoffs though. It’d be a struggle once again.

    5. Yes we improved for sure. More character.

    6. yes please

    7. He’s doin aiight.

    8. yes please

    9. Well yeah

    10. hell no

  33. krob1000 says:

    There is no coach that always is…but we have seen a team that was playing great plummet…we have sen the organization lose several young guys for nothing and they all go on to have some elvel of success…not just on JM, Carbo did the same…and in some sense all coaches do.  But the Subban handling was ridiculous….and I am sure yu have read my rant on here vets/younger players,etc….to me that is on JM….and I find it hard to belive it wouldn;t cause a hostile environment. On the positive side…whatever he has done lately…guys have responded for the last two games….they have looked like a diff’t group…talking to each other again, POuliot seems reenergized again, AK looked like he cared, Gomez has responded, Cammi looked good over the last two despite no results and Subban looked like himself again.  Eller’s benching hopefully signified the end of his winning lineup thing….because that just amkes things awful and awkard if you do want to sit a guy..because if the team wins then what? JM had appeared to lose the team….maybe the break was enuogh for guys to refocus, maybe Laps trade got rid of a sour attitude, maybe Wiz rejuvenated some guys, maybe the trades got people’s attention..who knows…but when the team was playing the way they were, and the treatment of certain players was obviously not the same as for others, it gets pretty easy to point fingers. 

  34. JF says:

    Ian – The under-17 game is on RDS tonight.  St. Petersburg beat Canada to win the Spengler Cup. 

  35. Ian Cobb says:

    Is the under 17 game on today,?  Is the spengler cup done,? Who won.?

  36. The Cat says:

    Well put it this way, it aint often we dont have to set aside 3 hours to read one of his posts lol

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  37. ebk says:

    nope, cuz he posts a pile of crap, usually!


    for those who don’t get it, just kidding KROB

  38. twocents says:

    Why? Because it’s coming from you?

  39. youngwun says:

    The 6 all star starters are chosen and FLeury came and took over the goalie spot over PRice!!!!!!!

    I hope subban makes the rookie team!!!!!


  40. ebk says:

    nice post, maybe your best one ever. (although, that might not be saying much)


  41. SmartDog says:

    You’re criticizing people.  Are you a psychologist?  A movie critic?  

    Please state your professional credentials.


  42. twocents says:

    Of course he’s not always right, show me a coach that is. You have to take the bad calls with the good.

    While maybe no one has said they could do a better job(and I am pretty sure some have) many have suggested that he should be replaced and that an upgrade on him would be easy. The easy upgrade part is bull.

    I am not saying it’s impossible or that there isn’t a better fit possible, but identifying that fit and him being available is not as simple as some put it.


  43. HabFanSince72 says:

    1. Who knows. Came close last year.

    2. No.

    3. Wouldn’t leave enough scoring, so no. Plus, Iginla and Gomez on the same team = too much salary on two players.

    4. Yes.

    5. Yes. Are you kidding me?

    6. Sign Gorges and the Wiz.

    7. Pleks is a bargain.

    8. Not now. Wait to see how Desharnais pans out.

    9. Can’t hurt, but easier said then done.

    10. No.

  44. ProHabs says:

    AK is a big dump.

  45. shiram says:

    1.  not likely this year, but we are building towards it.

    2.  I think that depends on Desharnais, mostly he can steal the post from Eller.

    3.  No

    4.  It seems likely right now, but I think the recent slump is not the true Habs team, we are better than that

    5.  Difficult for me to say, I am recent convert to hockey

    6.  I’d definately would like to see both return next season.

    7.  He is one of our top scorer, and leads the pk, so no, to me he earns his money every game he plays.

    8.  Another center?

    9.  Not really, just players playing a more physical game. MaxPac helps in that area too

    10.  I’d say yes, his skills we’re overblown by the fairytale in the last playoff, and by rabid fans. Give him a few years though, and he should be really great.

  46. krob1000 says:

    don’t have any experience as a president or prime minister …but I guess they always do the right thing and we shouldn’t question them, never been a musician…yet I hear some music that I don’t like and some that is downright awful?

    Put it this way…how many people did you go to school with who are teachers and you can;t beleive it? how about police officers? how about ….. if your teacher makes a mistake are they right…after all you never taught…

    Nobody on here claims to be a better coach than JM….I have never seen anybody do that…but we have all seen coaches do more with less….so if you are asking are there better coaches for the job….yes….are there worse…billions upon billions…..including everyone of us on here…don’t make JM always right though.

  47. SmartDog says:

    1.  When will we see a Stanley Cup Championship coming back to Montreal?  2014

    2.  Should Lars Eller be sent to Hamilton for more ice time?   NO

    3.  Do we trade Weber, Kostitsyn, and Gionta or/Cammallerri and draft picks to Calgary for Iginla and Regher?  KEEP CAMI… BUT SURE

    4.  Are we really going to finish in 8th or 9th place in the East?    PASS

    5.  Have we really improved this team from the past 5 years?    BARELY

    6.  Do we sign Wiz or Gorges to a fat contract and speed up contract negotiations?   YES AND YES

    7.  Should Pleks score more with the 5 million dollars the club is playing him?   NO – AND BY COMPARISON HE’S A STEAL.

    8.  Do we need to send Ryan White up from Hamilton?   YES

    9.  Do we need to get bigger up front?  YES

    10.  Is PK really an overrated Dman?   NO. HE’S THE BOMB.  AS LONG AS MARTIN DOESN’T DISARM HIM.


  48. twocents says:

    He also doesn’t know how to put together a game plan, structure the team’s play, handle the refs, communicate with players, talk to the press, he can’t evaluate talent and he’s close-minded.

    It’s a wonder he can get a job in the NHL, let alone be allowed to coach over a 1000 games!

  49. Price_Is_Right says:



    Good things come to those who wait…But only what’s left by those who hustle!

  50. RetroMikey says:

    Simple questions. 

    1.  When will we see a Stanley Cup Championship coming back to Montreal?

    2.  Should Lars Eller be sent to Hamilton for more ice time?

    3.  Do we trade Weber, Kostitsyn, and Gionta or/Cammallerri and draft picks to Calgary for Iginla and Regher?

    4.  Are we really going to finish in 8th or 9th place in the East?

    5.  Have we really improved this team from the past 5 years?

    6.  Do we sign Wiz or Gorges to a fat contract and speed up contract negotiations?

    7.  Should Pleks score more with the 5 million dollars the club is playing him?

    8.  Do we need to send Ryan White up from Hamilton?

    9.  Do we need to get bigger up front?

    10.  Is PK really an overrated Dman?



    “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

  51. punkster says:

    Keep (but that answer requires caveats just as “dump” would)


  52. 123456 says:

    you nailed it

  53. punkster says:

    So let me get this straight. Martin doesn’t know how to handle young players. Martin does not handle the experienced players properly either. On top of that he isn’t handling his goalies well enough. Then he doesn’t know how to put together forward lines. And his defence pairings make no sense.

    I’m confused. Which of the commentors on HI/O have NHL, Junior or AHL coaching experience again?


  54. Hobie Hansen says:

    Hard to answer in one word. Magically removing him from our roster creates a big hole in our top six. Aside from the auditioning Pacioretty, kostitsyn is the only scoring forward with any size whatsoever.

    So as much as I don’t like his effort…keep him.

    Trade him or don’t resign him and sign a better forward during the summer.

  55. krob1000 says:

    Anyone notice how “pumped” the Americans were comingout of hteir locker room yesterday….and not a Canadian cracked a smile.  We looked focussed and in a hockey trance…they looked “ready for some fooootbaaaaaalllll”.  I admit I was actually worried at first…I wasn’t sure what the differences in attitude before the game would result in….could very easily have been me on here saying “they looked half asleep” if we had laid down a stinker but it was definitely interesting to see that camera work beforehand. They were screaming, yelling, bouncing up and down……we were stoic……but when they play started we appeared to have the jump from the get go and lost only a handful of shifts thrughout the whole game…it really was masterful work.

  56. shiram says:

    I’d dump “clutch” and just say lack of scoring, but that’s me. I am also looking at Cammy and AK for lack of scoring, but at least Gomez has picked it up, and Pouliot seems to be doing ok with the time he is given.

    Desharnais in for Eller might help as well, you have to hope for more from a third line center than 6 points in 38 games played.

    I dont know about Auld, I guess he hasnt played top opponents, but he seemed ok when he played. Would we be better if Ellis had signed here? I doubt it.

  57. twocents says:

    Sorry dude, if you want a one word answer you have to frame the question more thoughtfully. The money it takes to keep him is key. If it’s for the same money I say…


  58. mike g says:

    I like that answer…

    And yes, even a blind clown wouldn’t have called a penalty shot on the Stamkos play. It wasn’t even a breakaway and he got a shot on net.

    For there to be a penalty shot, both of those factors must be the total opposite…


    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

     I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  59. mike g says:

    2 things have killed the Habs early season success…

    -Lack of clutch scoring, which was supposed to be from Cammy, AK and Gionta (although Brian has been giving the effort in every single game despite the bad results, but did score 2 big goals for us against FLA and ATL)

    -Zero confidence in our backup goalie.

    If Price was able to be rested every 4th game, his play would have stayed at the level it was at. Instead, due to our teams build and style fo play, we need a goaltender who can steal games every night. And Alex Auld doesn’t provide that. It’s not easy to find a goaltender who can, but if we had a Dwayne Roloson for example, it would be possible.

    That’s what I think at least…


    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

     I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  60. shiram says:

    Dump, as per your bet, he is on pace for a 20 goals, 26 assist season!

  61. krob1000 says:

    None of us are hockey scouts…we are all armchair quarterbacks with some time on ourt hands and computers accessible…..but Mike Richards? There are olny a handful of guys with that combo of offense, smarts, ability to fight and lay thunderous hits….he is a special, special player.  I think of Kesler, Iginla as the only other two that really have the same emotional makeup and maybe Mike Fisher is a poor mans version.  Leblanc will not be a fighter in the NHL.  I am not sure where these comparisons or reports came from as I never heard any of these comparisions or this physical thing…I heard he wouldn’t back down and was not afraid of physical play…which to me he demonstrated.  As for his speed….he closed very quickly several times on players ahead of him that he chased down and was very agile and quick….but it is so hard to gauge how these palyers will translate later on.  He showed a game sense that was really, really great and as others have mentioned he did so playing out of his natural position.  If I have one fault it was in the ozone sometimes he forgot he was a winger and instead of standing in front of the net he wandered a bit.and he did not look to creat but instead chose the safe play…but I think that was clearly the strategy…but some guys made something out of nothing…that he did not do but those guys were Johannsen (4th overall), Couturier(probably 1st) and Schenn (5th).  I didn’t see this fragile thing though …. seriously though if we think he is going to be MIke Richards we are already setting ourselves up for disappointment…Richards is a Jarome Iginla type skillset but plays in the middle of the rink and has his prime ahead of him.  You are talking about a key contributor to a Gold Medal Olympic team and captain of Stanley Cup finalist last year to Louis Leblanc…..not fair at all. If any team thought they were getting Mike Richards they would spend a top 3 pick to do so. 

  62. mike g says:

    So time for a straight, one word answer…

    Seriosu question of the day:

    – Would you keep AK or dump him?

    I’m not gonna provide any explanation for this question, and I don’t want you guys to do so either. Just a simple “keep” or dump” him answer.

    my answer:



    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

     I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  63. Hobie Hansen says:

    My thoughts last week were if Montreal can squeak a win out of either Florida or Atlanta that’s good enough heading into their three day break. As we know, the Habs collected 3of4 for points, even better.

    The current three day break is absolutely crucial. The team is obviously out of sorts from a long road trip, a couple trades and Price being a little shaky.

    I said last week that Martin and company would spend the time off going over everybody’s responsibilities, the system and getting refocused. I’m not pointing out anything surprising here but what I’m thinking is that if team comes out of this break not performing any better, we’re in big trouble.

    I think we have the personal and coaching to get back to where we were at the beginning of the season. However, the team can’t rely on Price to be the MVP every single night. Hopefully Price can elevate his game to be close to where he was a month ago or it could be a long finish to the season.

    Lets see what our boys look like coming off their break…      

  64. Price_Is_Right says:

    The only REAL reason plausible is that they wanted to make the end of the game more entertaining!!! Remember, their trying to “sell” the excitement angle to the US!

    The same reason why the Stamkos penalty shot was allowed… According to the rule books…There’s NO WAY it should have been!


    Good things come to those who wait…But only what’s left by those who hustle!

  65. Price_Is_Right says:

    With all the Bull%^&$ Gary Bettman is trying to sell; some really good points about fixing the NHL!



    Good things come to those who wait…But only what’s left by those who hustle!

  66. HabFanSince72 says:



  67. mike g says:

    Oooo, could be…

    Still found it cheesy, and if that is the rule, I find it pretty dumb.

    It’s basically goaltender interference, and if you’re stopping someone from doing their job properly, shouldn’t it be a penalty regardless of a goal scored or not?



    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

    I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  68. HabFanSince72 says:

    My problem was that if you’re gonna refuse a goal for incidental contact, there must be a penalty called for it.

    According to the commentators on RDS the NHL rule states that incidental contact can nullify a goal without necessarily requiring a penalty be given.

    Also, the play only stops if there is a goal. If it is just incidental contact without a goal, there is no penalty and no stoppage in play.

    It’s like the old foot in the crease rule. It only applied if and when the puck went into the net.

  69. JohnBellyful says:

    Dear Jacques,
    I thought you were an avid reader of what gets posted at Habs Inside/Out but I’m beginning to wonder as the season wears on. You haven’t resigned, for one thing. Fine, we’re all amateurs here and none of us have coached more than 1,100 games at the NHL level. At least, officially.

    But part of being a good coach is knowing when you get good advice and to act on it. I gave you some good advice back on Nov. 4 and you’ve ignored it. Okay, it was farfetched, harebrained, wacko – but then you benched PK for all those games and played Moen in the top six, so that tells me we’re sympatico.
    Does my suggestion ring a bell now?

    Okay, here it is again. You have the best penalty-killing unit in the league. Your penalty killers include your top offensive players, such as Plekanac, Gionta, Gomez, Gill (I just threw that in there to see if you were paying attention). The Habs are also among the lowest scoring teams. See the connection? Perhaps your stars are expending too much energy preventing goals and not having enough left over to actually score goals.

    Here’s the cherry-picking solution I posted two months ago to be used at strategic moments in the game when both sides are playing at full strength: “Simply put, have a speedy forward cruise along the opponent’s blueline while play is deep inside the Canadiens’ end. Given the team’s prowess in playing shorthanded … it shouldn’t be too great a task for the Habs to ward off the other team’s artificial man advantage until the opportunity arose to clear the puck to where the cherry picker awaits for delivery of the fruit. From there, it shouldn’t be too hard to carry the freight to its appointed destination – the top shelf (of the opponents’ net).

    Naturally, the Canadiens would have to vary how they choose to make the pass – up the middle, left boards, right boards, high flip – all of which would be agreed upon in advance on the bench before the play was to be executed. True, it only holds out the possibility of generating excellent scoring opportunities but, at minimum, it should rattle the other team’s defence, at key points in the game.

    A more deceptive variation would be to hold back a player on a line change and then spring him loose when play again was deep in the Habs’ end. This has the element of surprise as well as a lingering unsettling effect on the foe.”

    I know what you’re thinking, Jacques: “I’d be putting myself out on a limb if I pulled a stunt like that.” Jacques, you’re already there. If it doesn’t work, you can blame me as you’re shown the door. And if it does work, how much do I get paid as assistant coach?
    I’ve got this crazy idea about water bottles you’re gonna love!

    — “A little song, a little dance, a little seltzer down your pants.” —

  70. ProHabs says:

    Very interesting discussion by Mike G, Krob, etc. about Louis Leblanc. I was interested to see what some of you thought of Louis’ play in the World Junior.

     Because I too was not that impressed with him in the game against the US. I also thought he looked small, fragile and wasn’t as fast as I thought he would be. He was said to be another Mike Richards but I just didn’t see it.

    However, I am no hockey scout and he was one of the first players that was given a spot on the team so I guess he is good.

  71. mike g says:

    Sorry if this was discussed on the weekend..

    But did anyone find an explanation as to why Ovechkin’s goal wasn’t allowed in the Winter Classic?

    Saw the game, and then watched the replay about 7 times. I don’t think there was a ton of contact between him an Fleury, and it actually looks like at one point he’s holding Fleury to make sure that the goalie doesn’t wipeout. So, he was actually kind of helping him…

    But that’s not even the point. My problem was that if you’re gonna refuse a goal for incidental contact, there must be a penalty called for it. Don’t wait for something productive to happen and then whistle the play dead for no reason, right?

    It’s either a penalty or not.

    And also, if you’re not gonna call it a penalty, whistle the play dead and force the faceoff outside the zone, immeidately when the Caps touch the puck and BEFORE a goal occurs.

    Don’t wait for Ovi to score a then waive it off.

    It’s as if the ref just didn’t want Ovi to get a goal…


    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

    I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  72. novahab says:

    I don;t know if MR. Hickey reads on here but if he does how about doing a story on how offen this team is killing penalties. After 40 games how many game have the Habs had more PPs than  PKs. I can remeber only one game where the Habs came out on top. How does this compare to the rest of the NHL. How about the Fyers a team with a rep for taking penalties.

  73. SmartDog says:

    Just saw this on a TSN article about the nucks:

    The Canucks improved to 8-0-1 in their past nine road games and 15-1-2 in their past 18 overall.

    Are we the 1 out of 18?  I think so.


  74. mike g says:

    He must bulk up…

    No problem with the type of player he is..

    But, I’ll say it again, I would have liked to see more hits from him last night.

    While he was 100% involved in the defensive aspect, he was invisible in the physical one.

    And while he did his job like a pro, the rest of the team smashing around the Americans helped him alot. They seemed scared to enter our zone or even touch the puck.

    So if he can mix some hits along with his defensive play, he could be one heck of a player.

    So once again, I’d like to see him throw around his body a little too…


    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

    I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  75. Miltie01 says:

    I think he was involved in the physical aspects of the game, just again not being flashy, or overly huge, he didn’t absolutely flatten someone. He does hit, and even better he isn’t afraid of being hit. He isn’t huge, but isn’t small either, and uses his body well to protect the puck. As for bone shattering hits…..maybe we will have winger to help him out when he gets to Montreal ?

  76. HabFanSince72 says:

    Interesting analysis by Ladouceur. Some highlights:

    * Pleks as the Habs best rated player.

    * Lapierre as the worst rated.

    * Blames Martin for messing up PK.

    * Lars Eller not an NHL player.

    * Gomez “knows how to cheat”.


  77. Julie H says:

    Even though in the end we want Boston to eat our dust, I just don’t think I could stand for it if the Laughs had pulled off a win last night.

    Go Juniors Go! Bring that gold home!

    ♪Your cares and troubles are gone. There’ll be no more from now on. From now on happy days are here again, the skies above are so clear again. So let’s sing a song of cheer again. Happy times, happy nights, happy days are here again♪

  78. Chris says:

    Since I’m the one person in Canada who apparently couldn’t really care less about the World Under-18 Championships, I was interested to see Chris Higgins scored again last night.  Since coming back from an injury on December 15, Higgins has posted 4 goals and 8 points in 9 games to go along with 45 shots on goal, 15 hits and 9 blocked shots and a very nice +8 rating.  He’s also contributed significantly to Florida’s 8th ranked penalty killing unit. 

    As many of the long-time readers know, I am definitely a Higgins fan, and it’s nice to see him hopefully getting his game back on track after a couple of horrendous seasons.  Higgins has always seemed like a great guy who worked hard on the ice but was miscast as a scorer.  Maybe, with some confidence, he can get back to being that good two-way forward that he was developing into before his career went off the rails.  Playing in an anonymous city without the pressure of a Canadian market or New York might have been necessary to save his career.  I hope he can keep it going.

    I’m probably the one person in Canada that could care less about Higgins’ career!  :)

  79. spos080808 says:

    I agree.

    The problem with Higgins was that the fans thought he was this 25-30 a year goal scorer. But that is not the kind of player he is or ever was going to be.

    Higgins is the perfect 3rd line checker. He will play great D and be able to chip in a decent amount of goals. And when a player on the top 6 was injured, he could fill the role comfortably.

    He is a great skater, hard worker, fantastic on the PK, very good in the Dzone, and plays the body. Exactly what every 3rd line checker needs to be and should be.


  80. mike g says:

    He himself stated he would be a 40 goal scorer….

    Shot himself in the foot.

    And to make things worse, he’s got 4 goals on 45 shots like you said. That means he’d have to take 450 shots on goal to score 40 goals in one season. And we all know that ain’t gonna happen…

    His problem was that he was never a natural goal scorer. Those who are, will put the puck in from anywhere with ease.

    And Higgins was never that. I remember screaming everytime he had a breakaway, knowing he wouldn’t score. I’ve never seen someone miss so many Koivu open net passes.


    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

    I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  81. spos080808 says:

    I cannot read french but this clown rating Eller so low is hysterical. He obviously is just looking at the score sheet and not watch the games. Eller is playing between two grinders yet in many instances the last month, has been the best forward on the ice. He controls the puck very well shielding off defenders, has been skating well, making some fantastic passes, cycles well, and just plays a solid game. It is not his fault he is down the depth chart and being taken slowly in terms of development.

    For example, put Plekanec inbetween Pyatt/Darche for a month and where would his stats be? Even Sid’s numbers would be way down if he was forced to play with 4th line muckers.

    If Eller was centering Camm/Gionta how do you thik he would look? Well I will tell you, his passes would be finding the back of the net, and the puck would be in the Ozone a lot more allowing him to continue to be creative and controlling the puck.

    How do these so-called “experts” even hold a job.

    Oh wait, when Mike Milbury can basically laugh in Craig Ramsey’s face and basically called him an idiot for putting Big Buff on Defense to start the year, I guess anyone can hold a job. Oh and Mad Mike, how is that Big Buff on D “experiment” looking??

  82. Malreg says:

    I love Eller, and think he’s going to be a heck of player, but that Crosby comparison when talking about linemates was just silly.  Crosby HAS put up terrific numbers while playing with pluggers. 

    Crosby with Darche and Moen would still score 50 goals this year.

  83. joshua94k says:

    The real character of P.K. Subban

    In between a hectic road trip and very little time in Montreal before heading to Long Island, PK Subban took time to vist children in the Montreal Children’s Hospital. He may not have been in the best spirits with uncertainty of being in the line-up but nonetheless, without any fanfare or media present, he took time out to visit the kids out of his own goodwill on Christmas Day. He visited the children, signed autographs, took pictures with them and spent a little time chatting with them. Here is a link to a nice article by Arpon Basu.

    The media has painted an unfair picture of this fine young player, mostly to speculation to spice up their reports, but the truth is, PK is the ultimate team player, always cheering the most for his teamates. Watch the replays when Eller scored his 1st goal or when Cammalleri was involved in a fight with the Bruins, he is there cheering his teammates on, more visibly than anyone else.

    On a team where his defensive parter may make a mistake or it could also be the fault of the forward who backchecked poorly, PK has always been singled our for making a mistake. That’s the price of playing hockey in Montreal, the toughest place to play.

    He has handled the pressure really well and let’s hope coach Martin handles him a lot better during the rest of the games.

    “It’s too much for one guy to shoulder. For us, we’re going to do it as a group. It’s about sharing that responsibility win or lose.” – Mike Cammalleri

  84. SmartDog says:

    Good post. I think there’s near unanimity in the idea that PK has been poorly treated by Martin.  Sad.  Do you really need to bench someone to teach them things?  I don’t think so.  Very primitive coaching.  And if anyone is coachable I would think PK would be. His attitude is great, his skills are high level, his intensity and will to contribute are unmatched.   Wow, what a tough time Martin must have coachign this kid. 



  85. ed lopaz says:


    It was a 3 pronged attack:

    1) Don Cherry

    2) Mike Richards

    3) Jacques Martin

    PK is, and always will be, a class act.

    He is an outstanding character player; in junior, team canada, hamilton, and now on the Habs.

    Those who tried to ruin him all have their own “agendas”, but its all B.S.


  86. twocents says:

    “The problem with Higgins was that”… he thought, and stated, he would be a 40 goal scorer.

    Messed himself right up. It’s good to know he may be putting it back together.

  87. HabFanSince72 says:

    You make it sound like the difference between a 30 goal scorer  top 6 forward and a 15 goal scorer bottom 6 is one of choice, or fortune. It’s a difference of talent.

    The reason he’s not a 25-30 goal scorer is that he is not very good.



  88. SmartDog says:
    That Martin is a genius. He says there are fewer games in January so Price should get more of a break.  Too bad the team doesn’t have another goalie to give Price a break now and then.


  89. mike g says:

    Dwayne Roloson was traded to Tampa for a bag of unsalted peanuts…

    Why PG didn’t go get him, I have no idea.

    But Rollie woulda been an excellent veteran and capable goalie to rest Price …


    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

    I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  90. Mark C says:

    He’s right, Price can get a lot of rest while Auld only needs to play in a few games to keep Price fresh, thanks to the January schedule. Ten more games this month, three sets of back-to-back games, two of those sets feature a Western opponent. If Martin only plays Auld in the three back-to-back games, and versus the Western team, Price would only play one game this month with less than two days rest in between games. The first game of that one day off stretch comes after a three day break, this Thursday, with the second game Saturday.

    If you think Auld should be getting more starts due to the play of both goalies, then that’s a different kettle of fish, but Martin can easily manage Price’s minutes and limit any fatigue this month by just playing Auld in the back-to-back games. 


  91. mike g says:

    Anyone else watch the game last night?

    Anyone else notice how Leblanc was invisible?

    I said this last week, and some hammered me for it, but all tournament long he hasn’t impressed me one bit. Sold to us like a future top 6 forward, he doesn’t look anything like it.

    In last nights game, everyone on team Canada was dishing out monster hits. And I tried to notice Leblanc, but he just wasn’t there. No big hits, no scoring chances, nothing. Everyone says he loves to play physical and is an offensive threat, but yet I haven’t seen it yet at all.

    Instead, he seems to cycle the puck greatly, but that’s about it.

    I hope he developps into something good, because if this is who he really is, Habs fans are in for a big dissapointment.


    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

    I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  92. fuhgawz says:

    i am with you on this mike g — i said the same thing i have not been impressed.  Will not be much of a treat to be a top tier NHL player mark my word.

  93. krob1000 says:

    I thought he played as well as he has throughout the tourney.  he is a very cerebral player, two way, with great wheels and a defensive mindset.  He is a quick player and accelerates easily….I don’t know about his long range speed, rarely if ever got to see it.  He is not a superstar offensively and I have not yet heard him pegged as such.  I think of him like Chris Higgins…he has good hands, good smarts, good awareness and a general toolbox that oculd leave him a top sixer or a great top niner but he is undoubtedly NHL calibre.  He would make a great number 3 center early on in is development and who knows maybe he develops the offense …. but he was also cast into a defensvie role with Team Canada and played it to perfection.  He never overstayed a shift, always kept the puck deep, cut guys off at every pass, played positionally sound and within  the system.  He is a keeper…is he a point per game guy? I doubt it…very much but stranger things have happened but he will not walk into the NHL and start lighting it up….he is however smart enough and talented enough that he may learn the game at the NHL and find success that way. 

  94. fuhgawz says:

    to add to this i thought Joonas Nattinen has been the better player. More visible more skill and strong

  95. SmartDog says:

    If the Habs put any more emphasis on cycling the puck they’d be in the Tour de France. We need more hits, more driving to the net, less dumping and cycling.


  96. 24 Cups says:

    mg – In fairness to Leblanc, he was switched with Eakin for yesterday’s game which meant he was on more of a checking line.

    Both Leblanc and Eller are projected to be 2nd line centres who hopefully will be able to play a two-way game.  They’re not small (like all the other centres we bring to town) but they also don’t project to be power forwards.  Will they be stars?  Probably not, but most elite players come from the first five picks each year.

    Eller and Leblanc both went in the middle of the round in their draft year.  The Habs also could have taken Josefon (NJD) or Kreider (NYR), the two players that were taken directly after Leblanc.  Josefon was a safe pick just like Leblanc while Kreider was more of a wildcard choice.  He could be a flop, but he also might be a homerun.

    I think the reason we chose Leblanc over the other two is pretty obvious.  If the Habs are smart, they will send him to Hamilton for two years and then give him a shot at the big team in 2013-14.  They can’t afford to screw up another young player, especially a guy who will carry so much hope on his back.

  97. Bill says:

    I read your comments below and it appears the problem is your unrealistic expectations, which are based on “the way Leblanc was sold to us”.

    It seems you actually axpected Leblanc to be some huge, bruising, scoring superstar. I do not remember him ever being “sold” in this way. By anyone. I think you have been dreaming.

    He’s played the role he’s been given and played it pretty well. He’s actually scored more than i would have expected given his defensive assignment. And, uh, no, I haven’t noticed that he looks ‘scared’. Those head movies making your eyes rain again?

    Full Breezer 4 Life

  98. HabFanSince72 says:

    At the same stage Tomas Plekanec was on the Czech junior team that won the gold medal in 2001, but he only contributed 2 points in 7 games. He was drafted 71st overall.

    Hard to dismiss Leblanc so early in his career.

  99. Timo says:

    as some posters noted below, Leblanc is very Plekanec like.We won’t be a bruising forward, but he has great vision and great puck handling abilities. I liked what I saw from him in the tourney so far. Habs better order more turtlenecks.

  100. Miltie01 says:

    I disagree !!!

    Leblanc is a well rounded player whose efforts get overlooked because he is not flashy. He right now is 4th in team scoring, and 11th overall for the tourny. Pretty impressive for a kid who has had the role of being shifted around the lines to fight fires for the coach. This kid bulks up a bit and works on his skating he could be something really special. He will never be Mario Lemieux but what is wrong about Ron Francis ?

  101. ed lopaz says:

    anyone who suggested to you or wrote that Louis was a physical bruising type player has no clue what they’re talking about.

    He is not that type of player.

    he plays like a jon toews, or plekanec.

    he skates the ice, reads the plays, and uses his quickness, stick handling and nose for the net to put up points.

    he plays three zones.

    he can adapt to the scheme his coach requires.

    he is playing at about 185 lbs.

    the other candian forwards were HUGE!

    your “scouting report” that suggested ‘everyone says he loves to play physical” is completely wrong.

    he had a few chances last night – but they rolled 12 forwards and he played very short smart shifts.

    also – he has played his whole life as a centreman, and this is his first year as a winger.

    I like him better as a center, but I think he has adapted quite well.



  102. mike g says:

    He looked scared…

    While everyone was smashing bodies and playing physical, all I saw from him was a player skating around, dumping the puck, and cycling…

    And is it just me, or does he look so frail compared to the rest of the team. He seems to fall alot, looks skinny, etc…Everyone else looks built tough, and he seems like a twig.


    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

     I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  103. fuhgawz says:

    looks like Benny Poo — a little flash of something that leads to nothing . then fall down.

  104. CharlieHodgeFan says:

    What did you try to say there? It may be brilliant, but it makes no sense as English.

  105. fuhgawz says:

    then why did we draft him? we have 20 guys in our system that fits this mold

  106. mike g says:


    Nothing against those qualities, all of them are important for winning, and he seems to have a nice toolbox. Sometimes those players are your MVP’s when you win a trophy.

    But, you just confirmed what I had in mind:

    The Habs used another 1st round pick to draft a 3rd liner.

    Here’s a franchise in dire need of a goalscoring superstar, but flooded with 3rd line talent.

    Hopefully he becomes the BEST  3rd liner.


    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

    I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  107. krob1000 says:

    wel….we pay one of them 8 million a year and every coach we have wants these type of players…depressing as it is…he is a prototypical Hab.  We din;t get this kid with a top 5 pick ….you folks seems to think he should be an offensive superstar drafted  at 18 overall? there sure would be a lot of NHL superstars if every year there were 18 superstars…hell the league would be called the Superstar Hockey LEague…..would be fun but is extremely unrealistic guys. 

  108. mike g says:

    That’s not really the issue…

    Where I have a problem, is the way he was sold to us.

    We were told that he was a PHYSICAL player, who wasn’t scared of getting his noze dirty, and had good offensive talent.

    And I haven’t seen the offensive talent showcased against the best players of his age, immagine in the NHL.

    And I haven’t seen the PHYSICAL player he’s said to be, once again not even against players his age. He seemed to be the only Canadian player without a hit last night.

    And I didn’t see him start any scrums or stirr up some BS with the Americans either.

    So, who is this guy…….Benny Pouliot?


    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

    I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  109. krob1000 says:

    I think with 18th overall you make sure you get an NHL player….from there you consider organizational goals, need, potential upside and go from there.  Chris Kreider has fantastic speed and was who I was hoping for…but …he may or may not be an offensvie success…and if he isn;t…he likely doesan;t have a very lengthy career if one at all.  HE could be homerun though as he has elite speed and that is not a teachable skill.  I would not rule out Louis becoming an offensive player yet…I just think he will be the guy who needs to feel things out for a coupleof years before it ever happens..if it does…but if not he will still find himslef in the NHL for a long time.  HE is waht he is…it is not his fault we expect an 18th overall pick to be a top 5er in Montreal. 

  110. krob1000 says:

    I thought he was physical and unfazed by the corners or the phsyical nature of the game last night, he was great in the mucker areas and never tossed the puck away for fear of a hit.  I think you are mixing up physical with dynamic hitter….Kassian he is not…but then again Kassian is n an NHL ready body as is Foligno….playing against many players who have not yet matured.

  111. twocents says:

    Great reading, thanks, Rob.

  112. HabFanSince72 says:

    The Habs used another 1st round pick to draft a 3rd liner.

    They should have drafted Taylor Hall.

  113. REB says:

    Let’s remember that Lafleur needed to feel things out for a couple of years before he became the major player he was.

  114. SmartDog says:

    No kidding.  Great veteran.

    And oh crap.  The Bolts now have an actual goaltender.  


  115. mrhabby says:

    so then we would have 2 back up’s to Price…sounds great.

  116. Mark C says:

    That bag of unsalted peanuts was a 24 y/o, former 1st round pick, with great size that was putting up great AHL numbers. A pretty nice return for a 41 y/o goalie, IMO.

    Rollie carries a $2.5M cap hit, or $1.5 more than Auld. Assuming Auld could have been traded or waived without being claimed, adding Rollie would have used up most of Montreal’s remaining cap space.

    Would you really have wanted PG to trade a good prospect and the remaining cap space to marginally improve an already underused back-up position, on a 41 y/o UFA none the less?


  117. twocents says:

    Primitive? You have to be kidding me. This isn’t a commission sales team, Dog.

    It’s a hockey team and every team and coach will take this step in certain circumstances.

    It befuddles me why people take such an affront to it. 

  118. ed lopaz says:


    Not here on HIO. 

    The Smart Dog knows his poop. But many here on HIO were supporting Martin the whole way.

    And as PK pulls out of this funk, these same posters will be crediting Martin’s benching for “developing” PK into 

    a “real” NHL defenceman.



  119. SmartDog says:

    Could be that a) PK seems to be getting more tentative and not stronger b) even good commentators like Bob M don’t think Martin is handling PK well, and are confused about why he’s benched so much, and most of all c) it just doesn’t make sense to BENCH a valuable rookie who needs to learn.  PK is a big contributor and should be given more latitude for it, not less.  If he needs his ears boxed, chew him out, drill skate him, cut his time, but you don’t bench a guy like PK for a prolonged period. 


  120. twocents says:

    This ain’t cookie cutter stuff, Rob. There’s no hard and fast template. I am not saying that move looks great right now, or even that it will in the long run. We simply don’t know. But, it’s hot air to suggest that you know what to do or even that Bob McKenzie knows what to do. When was the last time Mackenzie coached an NHL team? Even if he had, does that mean Micheal Bergeron is always right? Does MacKenzie know what’s happening behind the scenes? Not in Montreal, his connections run further west.

    My point in my first post wasn’t that Martin has handled this perfectly or even well, I don’t know yet, but that you suggesting it was primitive is ridiculous. It happens all over the league, all the time.

    Depending on the type of learning required, some of it can happen quite efficiently while watching and thinking.

  121. mrhabby says:

    give me a freaking break. your listening to other people like BM to much. since when has that guy last played hockey. does he really  know whats going on in the dressing rooms and at a practice. PK is an excellent player whos game has to evolve.

  122. SmartDog says:

    If that happens, yes you’re right that’s what people will say.  And if he ends up O’Byrne 2.0 hopefully they’ll remember this slightly weird time of benching a star rookie who brings much needed energy to a too-relaxed team for an extended period.


  123. Mark C says:

    Why are you blaming Martin for a practice that all coaches do? How many coaches never bench players?  

  124. JustSomeguy says:

    I dunno. Martin seems to be showing lots of faith in PK — PK gets time at even strength and on special teams. Last game, he was fourth on the team in total ToI, 9th on the PP (FWIW, lots of 0s in that column), 6th shorthanded (again, lots of 0s).

    In fact, looking at the numbers, Spacek and Gill saw no PP time, Weber had no SH time while Wisniewski had just 15 secdonds shorthanded.

    It is, IME, fairer to say that Martin shows LESS faith in Spacek, Gill, and Weber.

  125. Ian Cobb says:

    Your on the money, two cents!!

  126. HabFanSince72 says:

    I’m not a fan of the prolonged benching, but Martin never “attacked” PK the way those other clowns did. In fact no one in Montreal has.

    He made a coaching decision, but he’s been very supportive in his comments.

  127. ed lopaz says:

    In my opinion, benching him for 3 consecutive games was extremely harsh.

    Who else on this team, besides Boyd and Pyatt have sat for 3 consecutive games?

    There is a difference between Richards and Cherry – I agree.

    I thought maybe it was a good time to “support” PK.

  128. twocents says:

    I agree the 3 games was a bit too much and shocked me. But, that was exacerbating by the fact that the team won the first two games he was benched and so it’s complicated by Martin’s other questionable habit of keeping the exact same lineup after a win. Which should be noted that he did not do this after the Florida game, when he inserted Desharnais.

  129. mrhabby says:

    disgaree…his game is high risk , high reward..the gap between the two has to be narrowed and lots of coachs would do the same. whats the big deal.

  130. HabFanSince72 says:

    I agree the benching was too long. It’s just that I don’t see it as an attack on PK.

    Also, I think the fact we won the first two games contributed to it – Martin not wanting to change a winning lineup.

    Again, not saying I agree with the long hiatus, just that it was not an “attack” on PK.


    (Or what twocents said …)

  131. Price_Is_Right says:

    I am VERY worried, about what I’m seeing going on with PK right now!!!

    Smells like a disaster on the horizon!


    Good things come to those who wait…But only what’s left by those who hustle!

  132. SmartDog says:

    The Isles trade away Roloson and DiPietro gets an injury ON THE SAME DAY.  F-n hilarious sideshow in NY.


  133. shiram says:

    They trade Wizniewski as well, and Snow is saying he is still trying to reach the playoffs? I guess his aim is on next year.

  134. HabFanSince72 says:

    They are tanking like Pittsburgh and Chicago before them.

    In 5 years time when they win the cup the pundits will be saying what a great turnaround it was.


  135. 123456 says:

    “sideshow” or “sh!tshow”?

  136. dleb84 says:

    Hey everyone,

    I’m travelling from NB to catch the Pit and Bos games.  One of our buddies backed out at the last minute.  I have 1 ticket to both games.  email me at if anyone is interested. 

  137. 24 Cups says:

    The Habs are in a fight to make the playoffs.  The Isles are “battling” New Jersey for the first overall pick.  That’s the mindset you have to take if you want to really judge Snow’s moves.

    I think Snow is making some smart moves.  Roloson is ancient so they might as well try and get something for him.  Vokoun will be the goalie of choice at the deadline so it’s better for Snow to enter the market early. 

    The Wiz usually starts out like a tornado but then teams get to see what is behind the curtain.  Regardless, he’s in a solid position seeing that he’ll be just 27 this summer in a free agent market that isn’t that strong when it comes to Dmen.  All the Dmen got picked up quickly on July 1st last year so there will be a few teams who will be willing to overpay for the Wiz.  Snow probably came to the conclusion that he wouldn’t pay 5M a year on a long term contract and would be better off chasing a kid like Larsson in the draft. 

  138. shiram says:

    5m for the Wiz, I dunno about that, but the Habs will be in a tough spot if thats the norm. With only Spacek and Subban signed beyond this season, there is gonna be alot of dealing going on, one might hope that management tries to lengthen some deals before the deadline, at least Gorges and Weber.

    I’m hoping we can keep Wiz, but at 5m, that raises some question.

    Isles, wello tank to the top!

  139. 24 Cups says:

    I just checked around and 5M might be a bit high.  He’s presently making 3.25M so an UFA bump up to 4.5M isn’t far off the mark (in terms of a cap hit).

    There are very few Dmen who will be free agents this summer at the age of 27.  You’re basically going to get him for at least four of his prime years.  I bet a few teams will be interested.

    Know what?  We’ll be one of them.

  140. shiram says:

    Yea, and I hope we are, I am also beginning to think we’ll need to resign Markov as well, injury or not, his salary is likey to take a plunge though. I guess if we are withouth Hamrlik, we could swing 4.5m to Wiz.

  141. mike g says:

    Not really…

    All I expected was a rugged in your face type player, who was smart defensively and good offensively.

    And all I’ve seen is the smart defensively aspect. Nothing wrong with that, but that’s the only thing I’ve seen.

    Every single Canadian player was dishing out monster hits and playing extreamly physical yesterday, except for Louis. I don’t even think he had more than 1 hit that I saw him throw, which was after a whistle.

    All I’m trying to say is people say our future lies in the hands of him, Kristo, Eller and Tinordi. And in those 4 players, I don’t see one standout star. Eller and Leblanc look like excellent 3rd liners for now, and Eller seems to be the more physical one. Tinordi looks like a solid defensive dman. And Kristo, well he seems to be going downhill a little.

    So, it seems like we’ve got 3 great defensive prospects and 1 question mark.

    And for a team in desperate need of a star, I can’t see one on the horizon.

    Nothing against Louis. But I have to say I expected more “presence” from him at the tourney.


    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

     I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  142. spos080808 says:

    If you think Crosby would score 50 goals playing with Darche and Moen then you are insane. Sure he is not playing with top level wingers but players like Dupuis/Kunitz etc are ALOT better than Darche/Pyatt/Moen. Give me a break! Your comparisson is just “silly”.

  143. mike g says:

    You guys are all taking this the wrong way…

    I’m not dismissing the kid.

    All I’m saying is that from what I see, every Canadian player was playing a certain style last night. Hard forecheck, big physical play, and crash the net.

    And the only player who I didn’t see do that was Leblanc.

    That’s all I’m saying.

    And where I’m confused is that we were told that those were his qualities along with his defensive play and good offensive talent. And the only qualities displayed last night, IMO, were his defensive ones.

    That was a big game last night, and it shows alot about the character and will of both teams. Louis played excellent defensively, but that’s it.

    I would’ve liked to see him more physical and contribute offensively, instead of cycling for 30 seconds and then a line-change.

    That’s all I’m saying.


    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

     I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  144. drivefor25 says:

    You say “We were told those were his qualities.” Who exactly said that? I don’t remember reading that in any of the scouting reports on Leblanc. He’s a skilled centre, not a bruiser.

    Fan since ’71

  145. drivefor25 says:

    You say “We were told those were his qualities.” Who exactly said that? I don’t remember reading that in any of the scouting reports on Leblanc. He’s a skilled centre, not a bruiser.

    Fan since ’71

  146. GrimJim says:

    Ed, does he play centre for Mtl Jrs, or is he on the wing? I thought he was one of their centres

  147. Malreg says:

    Pretty sure he started off at C, but he was playing on the wing at the Juniors game I went to at the beginning of December.  Maybe they had him there because they knew he would have to make Team Canada as a winger.

  148. GrimJim says:

    Thanks Ed.

  149. Jar Jar Binks says:

    da big getin bigger and da habbees getin smaller

  150. 24 Cups says:

    24 Cups’ mid-season report card.

    Playing above expectations – Price, Darche

    Playing at expectations – Pleks, Halpern, Gionta, Eller, Moen, MaxPac, Subban, Gorges, Hamrlik, Picard, Auld

    Playing below expectations – Gomez, Cammalleri, AK46, Pouliot, Lapierre, Spacek, Gill

    Who cares – Pyatt, Weber,

    No grade – Markov, The Wiz, Boyd

    Notes: Eller and Subban are rookies, so I judge them accordingly. These guys are just 21 and are just getting their fee t wet. Moen and Picard are secondary players who help fill out the bottom third of the team’s line-up. AK46 and Pouliot were expected to break through this year and they haven’t. Spacek and Gill are solid vets but I base their performance on this year, not last year’s playoffs. Spacek never delivered on the PP and rarely utilizes his shot.  When he breaks down, it’s not pretty.  Gill is great on the PP and wears an A.  I see that.  But he never uses his size and gets beat so many times to the outside.  No one is afraid on the other team when they see him running around or chasing a guy he can’t get.  (I may be a little hard here).  Pyatt is an honest, hard working, bubble hockey player. Guys like him are a dime a dozen. Weber looks great one night and then plays like crap. He needs more time and should probably be in the ‘no grade’ category. I just don’t know if he’ll ever make it here.

    Next week I’ll be doing a report card on Mike Boone. Timo will be my assistant captain.

  151. Bill says:

    Agree on everything except:

    *Price’s recent skid has him back to expectations for me.

    *AK46 has met my own expectations. You must have expected him to do more than he’s ever done in the past if he’s disappointing you. He’s going to be traded this year, and he absolutely will turn into the player everyone hoped he would be. It’s just not going to happen when he’s getting shuffled from line to line, periodically press-boxed or benched, or losing his PP time to Moen. If you want him to produce, he needs 19:00 minutes a game, top six, first unit power-play.

    *Subban is below my expectations, because he was so great in the playoffs. He is the most confused looking Hab right now, hands down, and I don’t like it. Not that I blame him.

    Full Breezer 4 Life

  152. alestar says:

    I guess you are not expecting a lot from Moen…

    How can you put Gill as playing below expectations? Last year’s play-offs he exceeded everyones expectations and this season he is solid and reliable.


    XXIV…and counting

  153. CHsam says:

    MAB to Tampa ? Sounds like we beat them to Wizniewski first.

  154. 24 Cups says:

    Gill was the toughest call.  Last year can’t come into this year’s evaluations.  I also wondered if all three old guys on the back-end are being judged unfairly due to the inordinate amount of ice time they have to face.

    Moen is a 4th line plugger who hopefully will keep the other team honest.  Nothing more, nothing less.  It’s not his fault that Martin put him into unfair situations on the ice. 

  155. mike g says:

    I’ll give you 1000$ when AK “becomes” the player he was supposed to be…

    Write it down, I promise.

    And I’m that confident because it won’t happen. He’s thrown books full of excuses as to why he can’t consistently produce, but has never blamed himself. He’s simply not a man.

    I’ve seen players like Georges and Pleks get shuffled from line to line, play different minutes on a given night and play in a bunch of roles, yet they found ways to excel and standout in every single task given to them. How?

    Hard work and committment.

    AK doesn’t have that.

    Just because he gets thrown onto a 2nd, 3rd, or 4th line doesn’t mean he has to work less. It doesn’t mean he can’t hit anymore, shoot on net, or take advantage of playing vs the oppositions crappier lines.

    But that’s what he does. Nobody told him to stop working if he doesn’t play more than 20 minutes per night.

    And now that he’s back on the 1st line for a month, he’s still doing BALLZ!

    Please people, please tell me what you see in this guy!!!!

    His amazing “wrist shot”, that he never uses?? The one that hits the net once a game, often straight onto the goalies chest, and is from the blueline because he’s too lazy to skate around the defenseman?

    Maybe it’s me. Maybe I’m blind, I don’t know.

    But when a player makes it that obvious that he doesn’t care, isn’t willing to sacrifice himself for a win, doesn’t give an honest effort every night, and scores a goal every 12 games when he’s supposed to score 25, WHAT THE HECK DO YOU GUYS SEE IN HIM??!!!!



    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

    I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  156. 24 Cups says:

    Bill – All three of your points can indirectly be traced back to the role that Martin has played in the performances that you mentioned.

    Breaking up the big line to help Gomez was a huge mistake. 

    The tough love with Subban may have been necessary but overdone considering he’s just 21. 

    Price’s performance started to slip the moment the Habs went ten games without generating any offense. This isn’t the ’93 playoffs were talking about.

  157. TripleX says:

    Same thing we saw in his younger brother but with even more upside.  A talented and enigmatic player that is badly managed by this franchise.  A skilled player that should be getting major playing time and PP time and not on a checking line.

    You were even a harsher critic about SK.  I beleive you said he would soon be running back to the KHL since he lacke the skill and heart to play in this league.

    Well guess what.  SK is playing big minutes on the second line under Barry Trotz as well as on the PP.  I guess dumb old Barry sees something in SK that you and JM did not.  Namely that he is a skilled player and not a checker.

    Good coaches utilize the talents of their roster and put them in positions to succeed.  That can only help the player and the team in the long run.

    Is it reasonable and logical to assume BOTH BROTHERS are slackers?  Maybe just maybe it is not ALL their fault?  Just asking.

    ps I also think AK will light it up under a different coach and system….his talent is obvious and it just does not go away




    “I don’t like to keep kids like that out of the lineup. They need to play; that’s how they’re going to get better.” Jacques Martin

  158. twocents says:

    “Good coaches utilize the talents of their roster and put them in positions to succeed.”

    Do you mean like your boys are doing with players such as Kadri, Komisarek and Pantouf in the big smoke?

  159. TripleX says:

    My boys?  I could care less about the Leafs and fail to see how any comparisons with the Habs makes sense.

    Oh at least we are not the Leafs!  Who gives a f**k?  This is the Montreal Canadiens!  Do the Yankess compare themselves to the Cubs to feel superior?  Give me a break!

    Please give examples where I EVER called Wilson a good coach.




    “I don’t like to keep kids like that out of the lineup. They need to play; that’s how they’re going to get better.” Jacques Martin

  160. Bill says:


    Full Breezer 4 Life

  161. Bill says:

    I guess I just don’t think he’s lazy. I would be loathe to call any of these guys lazy, because they wouldn’t have mad it this far if they were. I think he looks lazy sometimes, because he doesn’t show intensity in his face, and because he sometimes gets in this fog where he doesn’t know what to do. I think the best thing a coach could do for him would be to remove that confusion with a consistent assignment.

    I see a player with good size, good speed, and great skills. I see a player who gets 15 minutes a night and averages a goal every four games. That’s a 20 goal pace on third-line minutes. He’s got just as many points as Gionta and more than Gomez, despite the fact that those guys play four minutes a night more and get consistent power-play time.

    Basically, he’s not getting the opportunity to do what he does best. He gets dropped to the 4th line … what, he’s supposed to be a defensive specialist now? Okay. It’s wrong to slag him on the perception that he’s lazy – because we are observers and perception is all it does – when he produces reasonably well with the opportunities he’s given.

    Give him Gionta or even Cammaleri’s ice-time and the same PP time, and I’d say it’s a statistical certainty that he would outscore them and push 30 goals, which would be great.

    Oh, and when he’s traded to Minnesota or Anaheim and pots 40, I’ll be glad to take that $1000 off your hands :)

    Full Breezer 4 Life

  162. VancouverHab says:

    If you’re going to beat that drum again, 24C, at least make it plausibly non-personality-based.

    If your supposition were correct, it would have been a move to help Gomez and Gionta.

  163. twocents says:

    I seem to recall you praising the leafs plenty last year and at the beginning of this one. Maybe not Wilson specifically, but I am pretty sure Burke.

    If Burke is so smart why does he keep Wilson around?

  164. Habhopeful says:

    He was all over the Burke lovefest in the summer

    “I went to see a fight the other night…And A hockey game broke out!”

    ~Rodney Dangerfield~

  165. TripleX says:

    Burke is very intelligent but that does not equate to Godlike infallibility.  He overestimated the talent on his team and gambled they would make the playoffs.  ( I agreed with his assessment based on the talent on the backend ).  If you really think Burke traded TWO first round picks thinking they would be lottery picks you are delusional.

    Burke gambled big and lost equally big.  It has set back the Leafs for many years.  I don’t understand why he did it, since he came in preaching a slow rebuild through the DRAFT.  Was it interference from ownership sour on tanking?  I don’t know.

    Burke is a riverboat gambler and he got burned.  I still believe he is a very smart GM. 

    Burke shares one thing with Gainey, and that is intense loyalty.  I am sure he blames himself more than Wilson for the teams troubles.  Wilson has very little to work with.



    “I don’t like to keep kids like that out of the lineup. They need to play; that’s how they’re going to get better.” Jacques Martin

  166. GrimJim says:

    Stephen Brunt was commenting about this on the morning radio program here: Burke keeps Wilson because the TO media hates Wilson so much (and Wilson hates the TO media) that no one attacks Burke for his moves. As long as Wilson is there, he is the lightning rod. No one focuses on Burke’s mistakes.

  167. 24 Cups says:

    VH – You’re right.  Point well taken.

  168. VancouverHab says:

    Class as always, 24C — respects.

    Happy New Year, btw. What is your prognosis for our second half of the season?

  169. saskhabfan says:

    Yup,you got that right. Notice he doesn’t flap his yap about good ole burkie anymore. Year 3 and it looks like burkie is handing the bruins yet another franchise player in return for a one dimensional dressing room cancer the bruins couldn’t wait to get rid of.  JFJ iced a better team then burke did.





    I think I know more than most about hockey and believe my opinions are almost always reasonable and thought out.-manapart.

  170. 24 Cups says:

    It may not be the Clash of the Titans, but if Price turns out to be half man-half god then we just might squeeze in.

    I appreciate the arrival of The Wiz, but the loss of Markov and the mishandling of Subban really hurts us on the D.

  171. jimmy shaker says:



    Damn you PG and damn you Tampa.  Now what do I do with all this MAB fan-club stuff.  Man, the brass missed the boat on this one! 


  172. keepthefaith says:

    I just thanked my lucky stars that the Lightning signed MAB. Best move the Habs never made.

  173. DearyLeary says:

    Makes no sense… why would Tampa want their GA to get worse than it already is?

  174. Say Ash says:

    I seriously can’t wait to see Plekanec on a PK with MAB fumbling at the point.

  175. jimmy shaker says:

    Me thinks you’re gonna be waiting along time for that to happen.  The more probable situation will be a MAB getting a soft feathered pass from St.Louis at the top of the faceoff circle and MAB kabooming it top shelf where Grandma keeps the peanut butter on Price for a sweet PP goal.  But the habs still win of course.  But MAB does what he does…..score on the PP with a rocket and keep the rest of the fans out of there seats with his questionable D-zone decisions.


  176. kempie says:

    You know it’s absolutely gonna happen. And I’m going to laugh very hard.

  177. SeriousFan09 says:

    Or a puck comes sailing through the middle of the zone, MAB lazily reaches for it but misses it, Pleks turns on the jets, steals the puck and gets the shortie. MAB doesn’t move on the back end if a pass isn’t directly going his way half the time, it’s a joke.

    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  178. jimmy shaker says:

    We’ll just agree to disagree, like we’ve done before on this issue!



  179. ManApart says:

    Talk about exaggeration. MAB is only a -4 in his career of 400 games. He’s fine as a bottom pairing guy. With his PP presence, the guy is certainly worth having as a 5th or 6th. Montreal’s PP was struggling mightily last season, until MAB came on board and brought them to number 1 or 2 in the league. Without him this year they were garbage once again. Looks like the Wiz will help change that around now. If Yzerman chose to sign MAB, then he’s worth having.

  180. shiram says:

    I’ll take the Wiz any day before MAB.

  181. jimmy shaker says:

    For MAB’s pricetag……I’d take MAB over Wiz anytime.


  182. Bugs says:

    Hear, hear.

    Happy New Year, signed

    L. Bugs Potter, esq., Herzog of ze Abominable Habsuchtig Brigade, Markgraf of ze Fearsome Flanell Flausen Flank, und devoted minion of ze Habsbros Order:

  183. shiram says:

    Well we had the $ to get a better player, and I think we did. Sure the bargain on MAB could help get a forward, but those seem to be in short supply, and high demand.

  184. keepthefaith says:

    ill take a wiz in my pants while i m asleep before MAB

  185. twocents says:

    “If Yzerman chose to sign MAB, then he’s worth having”

    Geez, talk about bowing to authority.


  186. ManApart says:

    Probably. I would need more time to see him play before I say for sure. Wiz does make 3 times more money and he was -17  so far this season. Even though it was with the Islanders. That’s terrible. People whine about MAB. He sure is no Lidstrom, but he was only a -7 last year, where he was playing huge minutes against top opposing players, because of all the injuries. You play him around 13 mins as a bottom pairing guy agaist the 3rd and 4th lines of the opposition and he’s alright.

  187. keepthefaith says:

    now i know for sure you dont watch the games.  for every goal he scored last year he caused double. Minus 11 in ten playoffs games or something like that ? Yeah lock that guy up long term

  188. shiram says:

    You gotta wonder about his knee injury though, we saw how it went with Markov. Also, the Habs we’re not looking for a bottom pairing defenceman, we seem to have alot of those.

  189. Psycho29 says:

    The Wiz was -17 with a last place Islander team …

    MAB was -12 in 19 playoff games last season.


  190. SeriousFan09 says:

    If Yzerman chose to sign MAB, then he’s worth having.

    Fantastic way to close your argument as Yzerman is a perfect, flawless being who has not, nor will he ever make a mistake I mean come on, it’s not like he’s human or anything.

    MAB had the worst +/- rating in the playoffs for MTL and as we came to see, is easily handled if he is confronted physically. The EC got a scouting report on him last year and he lost effectiveness as the season went on because teams started attacking him on the point.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  191. ManApart says:

    Not bowing to anyone. Just giving the man some respect. He’s done a hell of a job so far in his first year as GM of a team that missed the playoffs the last 3 years. Made some very nice decisions. Tampa’s GM and coaching tandem is exactly who I would have wanted in Montreal. young, bright, dynamic. Tampa got it right. We’re stuck with washed up, has beens who have no clue what they are doing.

  192. Mark C says:

    Huge minutes? MAB averaged 15:04 a night and only 7 games above 20 minutes, and I doubt he played all that much against top opposition, given his playing time.

  193. twocents says:

    He didn’t, he played on a the third pair and got tons of PP time.

  194. ManApart says:

    That -12 is pretty ugly stuff, but in the correct role, I think he’s an asset.  PP is extremely important in today’s NHL, and if you can play MAB where he is even or slightly in the minus defensively, you will have a better team.

  195. SeriousFan09 says:

    Marc-Andre Bergeron average ES TOI per game in 09-10 was 11:54, good enough to be behind well, everyone else in that category. That’s not huge minutes against opposing top players, Hamrlik and Spacek took the big assignments last season for the most part as well when Markov was away.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  196. ManApart says:

    That’s huge for MAB. He did play against top opposition at times with the injuries on D last year. Hence the 7 plus 20 minute games. That’s a lot of games where he was on for ore than a full period.

  197. SeriousFan09 says:

    He also spent a 6th overall pick on a prospect with hip issues that refused to submit to medical screenings before the draft. If PG spent a 6th overall pick on an 18-year old with hip issues who didn’t submit himself to be tested to see if he was going to be the next Marian Gaborik, this place would have melted down and called for Gauthier’s head.

    So far, Connolly has 3 assists and doesn’t look like he can hit anything but a goalie’s equipment with his shot in the WJC.

    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  198. twocents says:

    Your giving him credit he hasn’t earned. That’s bowing.

    Which moves of his have been so great. Gagne? Oh yeah looking great. Ellis? hummm…, Moore and his -18? Randy Jones? Pouliot? Where’s he now?

    95% of what’s working in Tampa was in place before he arrived and in the case of their young hotshots they’re just coming into their prime.

    Until his team has done something in the playoffs he’s proved zilch.

  199. ManApart says:

    Can’t be that low. The 15 min a game number sounds more like it. anyways, like I said he’s -4 in 400 career games playing with some pretty bad teams. That is not the mold of a horrible defensive player, the way you talk about it. That is a very adequate 5th or 6th guy.

  200. SeriousFan09 says:

    The NHL has all the TOI stats for last season, MAB was 6th in total TOI amongst defenders last season, 7th overall in Even Strength TOI and his average TOI per game for ES situations was 11:54 per game. He was 2nd behind Markov in PP TOI/G and 1st overall in total TOI for PP situations.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  201. twocents says:

    He averaged 3 minutes of PP time. He had the lowest EV TOI of all regular defensemen. Less than O’Byrne. Less than Paul Mara!

    Face it, your bluff’s been called.

  202. ManApart says:

    I think hiring Boucher was his best move. Getting the right coach in place is extremely important, and Yzerman knew  that, even if montreal doesn’t. Boucher deserves as much if not more credit than Yzerman. Signing St Louis to a deal was very important, and he didn’t overpay either. he brought in guys like Bergenheim, Clark, and Kubina that have improved the team. Moore was a nice signing at a cheap price evn though his +/- doesn’t look so good right now. Gagne hasn’t panned out yet, but if he can just stay healty he will be a great asset come playoff time. I think getting Roloson was a very much needed move, because they don’t have any goaltending. This team is a hell of alot better than last season and Yzerman deserves a lot of that credit.

  203. ManApart says:

    Well my mistake in remembering his TOI then. It doesn’t change the fact that he’s only a -4 for his career and -7 last season. That is certainly a very acceptable number for someone who brings such a great PP presence. And is not the numbers of someone who is such a terrible defensive player as some of you guys say. I think Yzerman made a very nice signing here

  204. twocents says:

    The team is a hell of lot better than last year to a large degree because Stamkos and Hedman keep getting better and there’s no doubt Boucher is doing a good job. But again, until they do something in the playoffs it’s meaningless.

    As for Roloson, he hasn’t played a game for them yet.

  205. ManApart says:

    LOL, being a Montreal fan, i don’t think you want to talk about 1st round drafting. It’s like Brunet calling Gorges injury prone.

  206. SeriousFan09 says:

    So far, he’s made a very questionable choice with his initial selection in the 1st round, as a hockey fan I’m well within my rights to ask why he spent a 6th overall pick on a potential Gaborik,  talented but fragile.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  207. ManApart says:

    Hold your horses there. It’s a little early to make any kind of judgement don’t you think? Let’s at least give it a year before we start labelling the kid, shall we. And if it came down to it, I’d rather have a Gaborik than a Fischer anyday, wouldn’t you?

  208. SeriousFan09 says:

    I don’t recall Bob Gainey getting the Canadiens when they were loaded with one of the three best goal scorers in the world, the best French Canadian in the league and a 2nd overall pick like Victor Hedman. I imagine he might have had an easier time getting results with that, Yzerman and Boucher landed on a team benefitting from the Failure Brings Reward Program the NHL has.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  209. twocents says:

    Look, I said Boucher’s doing a good job.  I am not trying to take anything away from them, but I am just saying, let’s wait to see at least one spring come around before we declare them geniuses. That and I am pointing out not every move has been a great one. And pointing out that most of the heavy lifting was done before their arrival.

  210. LA Loyalist says:

    Would you rather take a shot with Boucher here or Count Chocula?

    The best fun for HIO would be Habs-Tampa in the playoffs. That would be worth hoisting a few Molsons.

  211. LA Loyalist says:

    Boy, that’s hitting below the belt. Now Haley Wickenheiser, that would have been a different story!

  212. The Cat says:

    I agree. Its the same way Scotty Bowman is considered a good coach, lets not kid ourselves, a guy like byelsma could have led those MASSIVELY stacked teams to cups.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  213. The Cat says:

    Any coach would have…Except JM of course lol

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  214. Mark C says:

    I agree that its too early to evaluate a draft pick, but Stevie missed on Skinner. Skinner already has 11 goals and 28 NHL points. For all the crap we hear about missing out players like Grouix, can you image if Timmins’ passed on Jeff Skinner?

  215. ManApart says:

    It’s more than that. You’re being to simplistic. Stamkos and Hedman were already damn good last year. It’s Boucher’s coaching and the depth guys Yzerman brought in that can support Hedman and Stamkos/St Louis. There is still work to be done, but for just half a season on the job, you gotta really like what you see from Yzerman, Boucher and that organization as a whole. 2 years ago it was in shambles. You look at Montreal and after 7 years of our crappy management, we are already behind Tampa and I don’t see any great improvements coming. I know I’m a broken record, but BG, PG and all that come with them must be fired ASAP. It’s already too late, they should have been fired after 5 years. This team will never ever become a contender with those guys in place.

  216. SeriousFan09 says:

    6th overall is pretty much blue-chip territory in 9 out of 10 drafts, the 20th overall pick is far less certain than that. It’s a golden opportunity to get an NHL-quality, Top-3 D, Top-6 F into your system. I am saying is I can only imagine the firestorm if the Canadiens had drafted a player who not only had questionable health in his draft year but absolutely refused to let doctors evaluate his condition before he was drafted.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  217. HabFanSince72 says:

    Sorry, Serious, but you  can’t really evaluate that draft pick, or any other, for another 4-5 years maybe more.

    Plus,  as ManApart says, since before you were born we’ve had an atrocious record in the 1st round of the draft.

    (I seem to recall that you are under 30 and therefore were not alive to hear Irving
    Grundman mouth the words “Doug Wickenheiser” to widespread shock and

  218. LA Loyalist says:

    Where do you think we’d be if Bob G had landed LeCavalier instead of Gomez. Would he have been rejuvenated here or would it have been a disaster. You’re a pretty objective analyst, love to hear your take.

  219. SeriousFan09 says:

    Lecavalier would have been a giant mistake IMO, he’s not shown he can be a very durable player in the last few years with his off-season surgeries and his cap hit would have hamstrung the team for a decade. Much like I’m glad Kovalev and Komisarek rebuffed Gainey’s offers, the Habs are better off today because Gainey had to go to backup plans.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  220. Mark C says:

    Thank goodness Vinny didn’t end up here. Not that Gomez is better, he isn’t, but that gap isn’t as wide as some think. At least Gomez’s contract ends.

  221. Hammer says:

    JM would have put Lafleur on a checking line with Jim Roberts and Rick Chartraw, centred Doug Jarvis with Steve Shutt and told Larry Robinson not to get caught rushing the puck.  This would all be done in the name of defensive responsibility. Give me back my 12 inch black and white and the 70’s habs, and you can have my LCD and the entire roster from today. I rest my case.

  222. VancouverHab says:

    Francois Gagnon’s midseason grades?

    • Scott Gomez : 55 %
    • Brian Gionta : 75 %

    C’est completement ridicule.

  223. MathMan says:

    From what I’ve seen Gagnon evaluates players based on personal preference first, place of origin second, boxscores/counting numbers third, and actual on-ice performance beyond scoring rarely factors in very much. And he really does not like either Gomez or Kostitsyn.

  224. Psycho29 says:

    One less thing for CKAC to feed the rumour mill with: “Bergeron a Montreal”

    Good Riddance MAB….Rather see him in Tampa than here in Montreal.

  225. matraque says:

    I don’t think they ever said he was going to play in Montreal….  But they are french media so i guess it’s legit to bash them right?

    In fact, they were the first one today to report he was a lightning.


    Canadien en 5!
    Never go Full Retard

  226. punkster says:

    Timo’s gonna go ballistic.


  227. avatar_58 says:

    GOOD LORD….are people suggesting MAB should have been resigned? Am I reading this correctly?

  228. Danno says:

    It’s a MAB. MAB world


    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  229. GrimJim says:

    I figure Timo is in a corner somewhere, curled up in such a tight ball he’s now omiT…

  230. Mattyleg says:

    Meh, off he goes. No big worries here about MAB. Good luck to ‘im.

    Never a huge fan.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  231. coachdoug says:

    MAB…in the right role he is a bargain…golfing is way better in Tampa too…

    “Six more years…God Bless You Turtleneck Man!”

  232. JasonM says:

    Great commercial with Ovie.

  233. Ian Cobb says:

    MAB cannot play this year at all. Injury to severe.

  234. HabFanSince72 says:

    Hyperbole on both sides of the MAB debate.

    He was a good addition last year as he saved the powerplay when Marky was injured, but he does have a lot of  difficulty in his zone especially against big and fast teams like Washington and Philthy.

    He was top D scorer on the Habs last year despite playing only 60 games (34 points). Easily outscored Spacek and Hamr for example.

    That being said, thanks for last year and good luck in Tampa, is as far as I’d go on this one.


  235. Omit says:

    I seriously doubt that it could happen.

  236. HabFanSince72 says:

    didn’t work

  237. Everlasting1 says:

    Judging by the All Star voting results, I’d suggest rabid fanatics with impaired judgement should refrain from voting. Make it so.


     “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  238. twocents says:



    ’nuff said

  239. punkster says:

    Epic fail.

    DO IT PG!


  240. twocents says:

    Mark my words.

    (but don’t really okay?)

  241. TripleX says:

    Exclaiming that a first year GM and coach have won nothing yet is a little disingenuous don’t you think?

    The only people comparing Stevie Y to Bowman and Boucher to Burns, are those like you.  Objective observers note their excellent pedigree and fully expect them to do well. 

    Your comparisons are faulty in reasoning.



    “I don’t like to keep kids like that out of the lineup. They need to play; that’s how they’re going to get better.” Jacques Martin

  242. HABZ24 says:

    three wins in last 12 games? seems like since subban was benched for having too much confidence and gusto we have been struggling big time. i dont get that, ok subban made a few risky minor league moves that cost us a goal or two but benching him three games squashed him and made him second guess himself. it shoulda been the opposite martin shoulda put subban on a pedistal in the room and said to his team i want the rest of you to play like pk. the vets cry hey hey you cant play with gusto like that pk ur a kid newbie and ur showing up us overpaid entitled crybaby vets. get lost. where are cammy,gionta and the big guns? pleks doing what he can but we need GOALS!! Maybe lappy had a run in with pk and lappy was a ship disturber in the room and needed to get shipped out. this has got to turn around now, big series of games comming vs teams in east. luv this wizz kid pickup,hope his work ethic rubs off on the rest. now we need a backup like halak during the dog daze of winter to give price a mental break. auld held his own but…GO HABZ GO

  243. CanadienBoy says:

    Mab Who care GM did the best move in years trade for Wiz, before everybody, 26 years old and ready for prime time ,well done enuff with  Mab looser .The Wiz is way stronger

  244. HabFanSince72 says:

    If Boucher is like Burns he’ll get canned soon, and we can finally sign him.


  245. OneTimer says:

    Yeesh, I like Francois Gagnon but he’s a hard marker huh??

  246. punkster says:

    I said it at the beginning of the season.


  247. GrimJim says:

    Objective observers don’t expect them to do anything, positive or negative, but wait until a suitable sample of data has been collected and then evaluate that data without bias.

    People who expect them to do well have already developed an opinion of the test subject and, hence, are not objective…

  248. punkster says:

    My dog has an excellent pedigree. He’s still a dog.


  249. HabFanSince72 says:

    Not just hard, a bit flighty too.

    90% for the Wiz? 55% for Cammi?


  250. newbrunswick troy says:

    Since it is report card time i thought i would throw my marks in:

    As far as work ethic goesthis team does work hard for the most part with some exceptions;  Gomez (now doing a little better)  Kostitsyn ( never pushes at a 100%) Cammalleri (i,ve seen him just go thru the motionson many nights)

    A+ for effort: Plecs(always goes hard) Gio as well, Gorges(heart of lion),

    Anyone i,m missing???????

    For rest of team, i,m afraid our coaches system may not be prfectly suited for them…hence it may look like the don,t put it all in…when in fact the system may be overlooking there true tallents

    I believe coach Martin needs to have the players play to there strengths!!!!this he has not done  and for that i give him the only F-      

  251. LA Loyalist says:

    Amen, amen, amen. Hallelujah with a steamie on the side.

  252. LA Loyalist says:

    You use terms like “disingenuous” around here? Now that’s optimism!

  253. 24 Cups says:

    CapGeek has MAB’s projected cap hit at $521,000.

  254. A. Berke says:

    But a good dog I suppose.


    Ali B.

  255. Corporate says:

    I laugh at comments over here. everyone seem sto be dissing MAB. I will be the firdt to admit he was not a great defense man. But he gave us a pretty good year. He helped to win in the Washington series cause of his goal in Game 7. Moore scored also but without those 2 goals, we wouldn’t have won. 

    Also, he had a severe knee injury and has gone on record as playing hurt. That would have explained his shaky play in the Philly series. 

    Yes he wasn’t a great D, but he did do his job. The same as the Wiz this year. His is a rent a player. He will not resign here as 3.25 is too dear considering we have a few people to sign on defense. 

  256. Habifornia says:

    I don’t comment very often but wanted to echo something I saw mentioned in an earlier post.

    One of the best “characteristics” of a coach (in any sport) is the ability to take the personnel that you have at your disposal and mold them into a team, playing a style that is best suited to those individuals and which brings out the best in them. Frankly, I’m not sure that JM is playing the best system for the players we have now. I will preface this argument by saying that I am actually happy the Habs hired JM… I was one of the people who wanted an experienced coach to step in and bring some order to the mess we had created by hiring a bunch of new-to-the-NHL coaches. And JM’s record suggests that he knows how to bring stability and discipline to a team, and make them play a defensive system he has developed. However, this “strength” of his is now also one of his biggest weaknesses.

    It is clear to most that the current Habs roster is not suited for a grinding-em-out, defense-only system. JM has already done the hard work of selling them on the idea that they need to be defensively responsible, for the forwards to track back and help the D etc. But we have a small team (top six) that should be playing a run-and-gun style using their pace to outskate teams. The fact that JM still refuses to tweek his system to give the skilled players some freedom to be creative offensively reflects poorly on his ability to adapt… and untill he does that, I’m afraid he will remain one of those good (but not great) coaches in the NHL, and may not be able to win a cup because of this. 


    “Mr Gainey, you will not regret picking me”.
    – PK Subban

  257. SmartDog says:


    A further addition to that is that players who do not back-check or support defensively are the ones that should be punished… and that Moen doesn’t belong in the top 6… and, and… 


  258. Sportfan says:

    Im sorry but the allstar game format looks so crappy atm i mean sure the drafting is fun and all but i dunno the NHL still seems to fail with this gimmick what they shoulda done is let the fans vote for one player per team what ever spot is left the league fills it and then the captains pick from there

  259. SeriousFan09 says:

    Wow, WHL team Kamloops Blazers have banned reporter Gregg Drinnan because he wasn’t giving them rosy coverage for having 40 points in 40 games this season. No warning or anything, just pulled his media access.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  260. Omit says:


     You can’t compare coaches from different eras. The players back then were treated like chattel.

  261. Jar Jar Binks says:

    mesa told yousa so

  262. jrshabs1 says:

     Why does anybody care about MAB anyway? He’s sat on the shelf since May collecting dust and nobody cared and now TB picks him up and people are acting like they wanted him here. Here’s a term we haven’t heard in a while. The Wiz’s “upside” is greater than MAB’s. We all remember “upside” right? MAB is sitting in TB right now telling his new teamates about his nice memory in Montreal.




    Go Habs Go!!

  263. HabFanSince72 says:

    Actually he had knee surgery, which is why he wasn’t playing.

    But don’t let the facts stop you.

  264. krob1000 says:

    Subban a long time since I heard people this MAB about a free agent signing in January…oh well…I gotta take a Wiz…then play hockey see ya. 

  265. Frank2468 says:

    Just as a side note the vote is in and the results for the starting lineup for the all star game is and the Fans vote Crosby, Malkin, Toews, Letang, Keith and Fleury the first six All-Stars for the 2011 All-Star Game.

    HMMM just seems like a couple of years ago there was this hewn cry throughout TSN and CBC on how nasty those pesky Hab fans are for stuffing the ballot box and out voting the rest of the fans across the league.  Guess it’s OK because it’s Sid and company, no one has said anything negative as of yet.  It was announced by TSN with actual pleasure as apposed to disgust when voting was in favor of the Habs.  I’m not saying that they are not deserving of the votes.  But where are all those sports writers and reporters now complaining on how the all star weekend is just a joke and is nothing but a circus and that the top 6 starting all star players should be voted by their peers and not the fans because the fans are not realistic and just partisan.

  266. twocents says:

    Have you been mulling that over all day?

  267. jrshabs1 says:

     Facts haven’t stopped me yet.  Did you note the term on the shelf? In athletic terms it means hurt. Ignorance is 9/10 of the law. But don’t let that stop you.




    Go Habs Go!!

  268. punkster says:


    Mr. Murdoch, kindly order the boats over the side.


  269. Just A Guy says:

    Anyone know exactly where the habs stand in terms of the cap? They are listed as slightly over the cap right now, but how can that be with Markov and Lapierre out/gone, which is equivalent to 6.4 mil of cap space or something like that. Georges was put on LTIR as well no?


    Good game in Washington right now, it looks like its the kidn of game that would go to 5 rounds of overtime if it were a play off game, which it kind of looks like right now.

  270. PeterD says:

    MAB???  Who really cares other than the French media…he was good for a powerpoint shot only…Poor defensively, couldn’t keep the puck on side in the o-zone and kept running into our goalies…gooed rediance and thank you to Tampa for shutting up the debate by taking him off the market.

  271. joeybarrie says:

    So on one hand we have the bashers saying JM is not a good coach because he has not won anything. On the other hand we have people saying Steve Yzerman is the next coming of Bowman in a GM, yet yet has never won anything, NHL wise. He picks up MAB and he is a genius. PG is so very much inferior to Stevie Y and its incredible to see some on here acting like he is the best and most experienced GM in the world… Boucher, same thing. Next coming of Pat Burns and then some, and of course he has no experience, but still so vastly superior to JM…

    Wacky Wacky Wacky…

    I will say this though. MAB on the PP only is not a terrible move. Problem is the whole league now knows how to play him cause of Montreal. A little pressure and he loses the puck.

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  272. HabFanSince72 says:

    I don’t think any H I/O contributors are “The French Media”, yet here we are talking about it.


  273. punkster says:

    Couldn’t have said it better myself. Well, I could have, but, well you know what I mean.

    (That’s not meant to be a knock on you Bernard…your English continues to improve. Well done.)


  274. larisalapointe says:

    I’ve only sworn at the TV twice during games (well maybe more). At that useless call to give Stamkos a penalty shot the other night and at MAB.I don’t want to bash players but please!

    Sorry MAB fans, but one of the worse defenseman I’ve ever seen. Wiz has the power shot and the ability to go to the net and give energy to his team, and Subban will follow in no time.  No comparison.


  275. TripleX says:

    What do you propose as an adequate sample size?

    PG and BG have had SEVEN years.  JM has had less than TWO years here but TWENTY-FOUR years as a coach.

    The ONLY evaluation as far as I am concerned is, did they win the Cup.

    I think since Stevie Y and Boucher are just beginning their careers that they have a greater chance of reaching that goal.

    I expected Team Canada to do well at the WJHC because of their track record as individual players and of the team at this competition in previous years.  Past history of success can be one indicator of future success.  Both Stevie Y and Boucher have that pedigree.  To expect them to continue to excel might not be completely objective, but it is a reasonable assumption.




    “I don’t like to keep kids like that out of the lineup. They need to play; that’s how they’re going to get better.” Jacques Martin

  276. Corporate says:

    That is actually false Ian. he was cleared by doctors to have full contact practices. The only thing he needs is conditioning,  but he can play. 

  277. A. Berke says:

    “martin shoulda put subban on a pedistal in the room and said to his team i want the rest of you to play like pk.”

    With all due respect, JM can’t even come close Dick Irvin Sr., even in his dreams esp. for passion not to mention coaching.

    Ali B.

  278. habs001 says:

    our forwards have not overachieved in goal scoring but they have not underachieved either…most of our forwards that have now played a few years in the nhl are scoring goals pretty well at the same pace per game  as their career avarages…beyond eller and maybe maxpac the goal scoring we see from our forwards is what it is…the present forward line up will struggle to score goals ..this is why goaltending, team d and special teams will be vital…

  279. punkster says:

    Boone better crank up his JM love a bit. Just in case.


  280. larisalapointe says:

    I guess I’m one of the dissers you talk about.  :)    If his injury happened at training camp, then I retract my comment. But his injury didn’t take him from being the best to the worst. The problem with MAB was his lack of good hockey decisions.

    I don’t get you criticizing the dissers and then turning around and saying this “I will be the firdt to admit he was not a great defense man”  The playoffs are only a snippet of a player’a ability. Pleks wasn’t that great during them but still a great player none the less. Cammy was the man during them, but not quite the same so far this year.

    And yes, Wiz can end up being a rental, but blame the cap and not his abilities.

  281. HabFanSince72 says:

    $1M/yr salary in that case.

  282. GrimJim says:

    Is the statement “Objective observers note their excellent pedigree and fully expect them to do well” wrong or not, given that an objective observer does not have a pre-formed opinion?

  283. idle says:

    Sorry, I don’t buy the argument that Martin stifles players creativity or is too defensively minded.


    The team was playing great and entertaining hockey for the first month and a half of the season, right up there near the top of the league playing fun, fast paste hockey.  Even lately despite losing they have still played a fairly up beat style of play.

    Vs Thrasers on Sunday – 49 shots in regulation

    Vs Florida on Friday – 46 shots in regulation

    Vs Tampa Bay on Thursday they outshot them 28 – 23

    Vs Islanders last Sunday they outshot them 39 – 25


    What the way Gomez or Cammalleri break down the ice and they do pretty much whatever they want.  P.K does when he feels like too, despite those that say he is on a leash (and it may be his teammates as much as anyone who wanted him to tone it down a bit)

    This team gets plenty of chances.  The problem is we don’t have enough players who are finishing.  Moen should have at least 10 goals based on the chances he has had.  Pouliot should have at least 15.  Gionta was snake bitten for the first quarter of the season, Eller has played nicely but needs to develop a finishing touch.  How many times do our point shots miss the net??  It’s not Martins fault that no one on our D (until Wiz) can hit the net to save their life.

    What’s more troubling to me is that all of your fowards are shooters and predictably so.  When is the last time a Hab scored a goal on a deke?  Every break away this year (Pleks, Cammy, Gio, Pouliot) have all be shots.  They try to pick the corners or just inside the post and they wind up missing the net a lot.  That’s not Martins fault.

    I don’t say too much about the coach either way.  I’m not a big fan of Martin but I don’t dislike him either.  A couple of weeks ago when Price was playing big and the team was second in the league in goals against and 1’st in the league in penalty killing I don’t remember too many fans complaining that the Habs were too much of a defensive team.

  284. idle says:

    OMG, did I just say they were playing fast glue hockey??  The brain works in funny ways…

  285. habs001 says:

    i agree…as mentioned before our forwards stats are pretty well the same in goal scoring as it was in previous years even when they played on other teams…we are very limited in goal scoring talent

  286. Ian Cobb says:

    Did not know he was cleared to play.

  287. TripleX says:

    An “objective opinion” is one free of any personal prejudicise but also has basis on factual information.  Past success by an individual and the pedigree ( the hockey background and training ) is factual information and NOT SUBJECTIVE OR PREJUDICED.

    Sorry, wrong again GrimJim.  “Pre-formed opinion” is not equal to an informed opinion based on facts.



    “I don’t like to keep kids like that out of the lineup. They need to play; that’s how they’re going to get better.” Jacques Martin

  288. TripleX says:

    Poor Punkster always backing the losing horse. 

    Ouch indeed.



    “I don’t like to keep kids like that out of the lineup. They need to play; that’s how they’re going to get better.” Jacques Martin

  289. HabFanSince72 says:

    Maybe that’s what you meant, but on the shelf implies unwanted, not injured.

  290. Everlasting1 says:

    His two-way contract stipulates he gets $1M/yr at the NHL level, or $105Gs if sent down to minors. 


    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  291. 24 Cups says:

    Therefore the 521000 would be pro-rated in terms of games played (assuming he stays for the entire year).

  292. Chorske says:

    Also. He’ll have to stop saying “OVER” every time the Habs go down by two.

  293. Chorske says:


  294. 24 Cups says:

    Ron MacLean is alive and well and living on HI/O!

    You can’t beat a good old boy from Kingston:-)

  295. otter649 says:

    MAB still has to pass his physical before he signs/joins Tampa………..

  296. le_vrai_jacques says:


  297. GrimJim says:

    But there are no facts in the future. The future hasn’t occurred yet. So how can you observe actions and interpret those actions based an informed opinion when those actions haven’t occurred yet? You can’t. Therefore your statement “objective observers note their excellent pedigree and fully expect them to do well” is inherently wrong since it is a prediction of future events, which is a belief that something will occur, and all belief is subjective not objective.

    Secondly, your statement “Past success by an individual and the pedigree ( the hockey background and training ) is factual information and NOT SUBJECTIVE OR PREJUDICED.” is technically correct but an inherent misinterpretation of the whole gist of the argument. The facts of their past success are the items such as win-loss record, winning (in Boucher’s case) a Calder Cup or a Memorial Cup as a coach, or in Yzerman’s case a Stanley Cup as a GM. Assuming that Yzerman or Boucher will win an SC in the future is an OPINION of events that haven’t occurred yet and therefore are not facts but guesses which makes it subjective not objective opinion.

    In fact by using YOUR criteria for judgement “The ONLY evaluation as far as I am concerned is, did they win the [Stanley] Cup” then neither Yzerman or Boucher have achieved that level of success,  the only level of success you deem worthy  ((Yzerman was behind Detroit GM Ken Holland AND asstGM Jim Nill in Detroit’s org chart therefore giving him credit for Detroit’s 2008 Cup is spurious and illogical). Therefore using their past success, which by your own criteria is none, to predict their achievement of future success is an erroneous interpretation. How can you say they will be successful in the future based on their success in the past, when they have achieve NO level of success you deem worthy?

  298. GrimJim says:

    double post 

  299. GrimJim says:

    You should wait until the last salvo is fired before you claim victory, child…



  300. jrshabs1 says:

     On the shelf means injured as in…the player has been on the shelf since May with a knee injury. It’s all good Brother!




    Go Habs Go!!

  301. punkster says:



  302. Mad Habber says:

    With the possible exception of Letang most of those guys belong there. I wonder what they’d have done if Mike Komisarek got voted in again?

  303. forskis says:

    You really got to take it easy on the French bashing paranoia…CKAC has repeatedly said that the Canadiens SHOULD sign Bergeron…you are parsing words “should play in Montreal” vs. “is playing in Montreal”…fine they never said that Bergeron WILL play in Montreal. but they kept pushing the idea that he SHOULD play in Montreal.

    “I am guilty of using elipses…”

  304. Psycho29 says:

    Actually I prefer CKAC’s hockey coverage to Team-990 (especially when Marinaro is on 990 :-). The only issue I have is when it gets political.

    I heard more than once they suggested back in Oct and Nov that the Habs should go sign MAB as soon as his knee was better. Usually on the afternoon show.

    Of course they are entitled to their opinion, but back in the summer when Jeff Halpern signed here, I heard on CKAC that Eric Belanger should have been signed by the Habs, and “C’est quoi ca un Jeff Halpern?….pas $600,000 pour lui????”…..

    And then as I mentioned in an earlier post this week, Gabriel Gregoire saying on Monday that he watched the weekend games against Florida and Atlanta HOPING the Habs LOSE because they traded Maxim Lapierre….

    I feel the very same way when the English media pulls similar crap…

  305. Mattyleg says:

    I agree, I hate that nonsense.

    But maybe they wanted MAB back for his shot from the point. Now we have Wiz, it don’t matter no more.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  306. CharlieHodgeFan says:

    The disease of sports radio is that even when there’s nothing to be said, you have to say something. Talking crap is better than dead air in that world (Marinaro anyone?).

    So if you take anything they say seriously, it’s too easy to get irate. Sports radio is rarely thoughtful opinions, it’s entertainment. All dead horses are to be flogged, endlessly, in all languages.

  307. HabFanSince72 says:

    From what I’ve seen Gagnon evaluates players based on personal preference first, place of origin second,

    He must have a thing for BC then since Price and Gorges get the highest grades.

  308. VancouverHab says:

    Sounds like you hit the nail on the head.

  309. MathMan says:

    Even with the recent dip, Price’s performance level has been too high for the media to criticize much — especially since the narrative this year has been “the Habs need fantastic goaltending every night to win” (which is untrue) and the Habs are still in a playoff position and still well above .500.

    Gorges I think gives off that hard-working blue collar ethic vibe that Gagnon likes. Not that a high grade isn’t deserved, but Gagnon focusses on the “warrior” narrative of Gorges and I don’t think he quite realizes how effective he really is — or how talented, unless effective defense is not actually a talent. Then again you don’t really see it on the boxscore…

    In retrospect, though, perhaps I was somewhat unfair with Gagnon — maybe he just goes with the prevailing narrative over reality, in which case he would hardly be alone, and I’m just over-exposed to him. In the Montreal media place of origin does factor in a lot into the narrative, so that might explain this tendency as well.

  310. JD_ says:

    Just caught Team Canada head coach Dave Cameron on TSN, you know, the network that failed in not helpin’ transform the WJC from a quaint l’il tourney into a veritable beast. At least, that’s what I’ve been told is the case: TSN totally effed up because it helped create a commercial success that a meaningful TV audience tunes in to watch.

    It’s just so wrong. All those Canadians buyin’ up tickets or watchin’ the games on TV without even realizin’ they shouldn’t be interested.

    Next thing you know, TSN will dedicate an entire day to somethin’ as banal as the trade deadline and, despite the fact nothin’ really interestin’ ever happens, all sorts of people will be tunin’ in throughout the day, drivin’ up viewership and, in the end, network revenues.

    Those TSN execs are sooooooooo st00pid.


    Back to Cameron. Talk about a serious cat. Even when he’s bein’ kinda funny, he isn’t really. There’s somethin’ so utterly Canadian about him, except for the bizarre accent. I simply cannot place it, mostly because it seems to change over the course of any given sentence. And it most certainly is not Charlottetownian.

    Dave played 168 NHL games, pottin’ 25G, 28A, and goin’ -33. Spent a fair amount of time in the box. Was part of the Rockies franchise that was forced to relocate to New Jersey after some Colorado locals finally realized Don Cherry was head coach. At least that’s the way I recall things goin’ down.

    And those kids have totally bought into him. Whatever it was he did to wake them out of their SwissSlumber, it worked. The unfairly overrated US kids were utterly owned in almost every aspect of the game, particularly on D.

    Should Canada play with this kinda disciplined physicality tomorrow, it’ll be over before it starts. And Canada can reclaim Juniors supremacy after a one-year hiatus from havin’ won 385 consecutive titles. Should make for good viewin’.

    Now back to more engrossin’ topics like marginal rentals and which players should be punished and humiliated.

  311. 24 Cups says:

    JD – Word on the street is that you won’t be sending Lapierre a congratulatory card welcoming him to his new home in Anaheim.

    Regardless, it sure beats freezin’ your arse off up in Montreal.  You also break even in terms of the babe watching (money for nothing and your chicks for free).

    BTW, I’d give a bottle of Drambuie to see the look on Kovalev’s face if the Sens happen to appoint Carbo as their new coach.  My bet would be on the Murrays squared if Coulston falls on his sword.

  312. Chorske says:

    The TSN coverage has been generally good. Only thing is, they have populated the media booth with the most embarrassing set of homers ever. I swear “THATS A HIT TO THE HEAD” McGuire makes his O face every time he says “Brayden Schenn”.

    I have to disagree with the “disciplined physicality” comment, mind you. I think we got away with murder yesterday. JOhansen throws an elbow to the head on TWO USA guys in one shift. No call. Two Canadian guys shove a USA guy into their bench- with Cizikas PULLING the guy onto the bench. SHould have been interference or roughing, with a major to the bench. No call… and McGuire chortles away about how great it is that Cizikas got involved, and says WOO THAT’S A LOT OF BODY ON ONE GUY. I’m just juvenile enough to find that line REALLY funny.

    Cameron sounds kind of downeasty to me.

  313. novahab says:

    Ok I am through complaining about the refs now I am going to prove it. Now our Habs are hardly the rough and tough take a lot of penalties type of team. Now with that said I went on the NHL .com and check the box scores. I did 32 games in those game 19 game the Habs were given more penalties than the other team. Three were even and 10 games the Habs had more pps. So almost double the Habs come out on the short end of the pps. In total the Habs had to kill 162 penalties and the other teams 132. Well maybe JM should look at this and explain why this team is taking so many more penalties than the other teams. There is some thing wrong I know there are people on here that think the world is beautiful and everthing is fair. Well I am here to tell you wake up this team is being shafted for some reason. Facts don`t lie.

  314. Chorske says:

    Which seems more likely to you:

    1) there is a league-wide conspiracy to shaft the Habs

    2) the Habs are prone to lapses in discipline

    If you answered 1), you’re crazy.

  315. HabFanSince72 says:

    That “moron” who coaches the Habs figured out how to stop him, and now the whole league is copying that startegy.


  316. TripleX says:

    New acquistion Dwayne Roloson wins 1-0 over the Capitals in OT.

    Watch out for the Lightning with a decent goalie.  Way to go Stevie y and Boucher.



    “I don’t like to keep kids like that out of the lineup. They need to play; that’s how they’re going to get better.” Jacques Martin

  317. Mark C says:

    Did you watch the game, I’m interested why Stamkos only got 15 and half minutes of ice time, was he hurt?

  318. Everlasting1 says:

    Nice career move..Roloson jumps from a 14th place team to a 2nd lol And earns a shut-out to boot on the opener.


    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

     Don’t pollute the water.

  319. AH says:

    XXX, you’re so right. I expect Tampa to do some serious damage in the playoffs. In spite of his age, Rolie is a solid goalie, without him, the Oilers don’t go on that run a few years back. A lot of people also say if he did not go down prior to game 7, (thanks to MAB), they win that cup. He kept the Oilers in many a game.

  320. Everlasting1 says:

    Don’t you wish.


    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  321. zerolegel says:

    and he did not play that well in those 15 minutes. St-Louis played with Vinny and Gagné – who were not impressive either, except for the winner – so maybe Stamkos just got second line minutes.

  322. Mark C says:

    Thanks for the info.

  323. Chorske says:

    If Carbo does get the gig, it will be yet more evidence that there is a God, and that He or She has a really nasty sense of humour.

  324. Everlasting1 says:

    Are you questioning JD’s business acumen?


    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  325. JD_ says:

    I thought Laps was an ok guy. Left like a pro. Not quite as classily as Metro nor OB – the latter should be given due consideration for a Nobel Peace Prize – but he was mostly thoughtful.

    Havin’ said that, Chubbyplump McDouche in Minny set the bar so low, no departure will ever be quite cantankerous enough to limbo dance its way beneath it.

    As for Murray, Milbury better keep a close eye on the unofficial record books. The race is tightenin’.

    And it’s actually quite balmy in the big city these days.

  326. Chorske says:

    Even Mickey Ribs didn’t do the sour grapes thing as bad as Guimauve LaGoodRiddance.

  327. Bill says:

    Was looking at the Oilers’ roster to see who might be able to be pried away come the deadline … and the main thing I noticed is what a scary good bunch of young players they have. Plus they’re going to have a high pick this year: if they get another great player in the draft they’re the next Penguins.

    Anyway, I don’t even know if they’d consider moving anyone, but the best looking candidates are Horcoff or Penner. Horcoff is out with an MCL until February at least, and also he is their captain, so perhaps not all that likely. Penner is enigmatic, but he’s definitely huge and can score from the slot. His work ethic is not highly esteemed …

    If either goes on the market the bidding would be prohibitive. We could always dangle Subban, since JM doesn’t like him anyway and is here for another 2 and half frigging years.

    Full Breezer 4 Life

  328. SeriousFan09 says:

    Horcoff, hmmm, Steve Caroll can you help me out here?

    On contract for 5.5 million a year until 2015, the only thing he could do while he was here would be distract people from complaining solely about the Gomez contract. Penner is another case of a lazy player. Whatever EDM is pitching to clean out their roster, we sure as hell shouldn’t be buying.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  329. J_P says:

    Penner and Jacques Martin? That sounds like it would be a good sitcom.


  330. avatar_58 says:

    I rather like that Hall character, or perhaps that Eberle chap. They don’t want them right?

  331. Duracell3 says:

    If Gauthier got Omark I’d give him an old fashioned.

  332. JD_ says:

    Given the sheer volume of body flingin’ that was goin’ on, you have to assume some of it was on either side of the margin. If the refs had called it tightly from the outset, Canada would presumably have backed off. But, that wasn’t the case and with the tone established, Canada stuck to the game plan.

    We’ll see how the first ten minutes goes down tomorrow.

    As for McGuire, when it comes to watchin’ the WJC, I find I’m able to just tune him out because, as you point out, he’s beyond over-the-top. Background noise. Even when he’s on-camera one-on-one with Gord Miller, I don’t really hear what he’s sayin’ anymore cause I’m too busy appreciatin’ how strange he can be. If that doesn’t work, try combinin’ his round headphones, round glasses, and round head, to create a livin’, breathin’ Olympics logo. It’s like a stereogram; just pops right off the screen, you can almost hear Nikki Yanofsky singin’.

  333. Timo says:

    I disagree, C. I think refs have done a pretty good job for a change… they are letting the players play. There are some odd calls that make you go hum, but overall I think officiating has been pretty good. Games have flow, there isn’t a parade to the penalty box and players are allowed to battle. 

  334. J_P says:

    What about ramage hitting a canadien, who was nowhere near nor even close to touching the puck, in the head from the blindside?

    No call whatsoever. 

    There was missed calls on both sides.  The refs let them play.


    THe NHL networks broadcast (my friend has US satellite which doesnt get TSN) seemed much more objective than any of the TSN broadcasts I watched.  Didnt catch the TSN broadcast yesterday, but mcguire is generally a huge homer.

  335. Chorske says:

    I agree that the pace of the games has been fantastic, but I’d chalked that up to the generally high quality of the players and teams involved.

  336. Chorske says:

    Haha, I picture him as a muppet. We all deal with adversity in our own ways.

    My McGuire muppet looks a bit like Beaker and Dr Bunsen Honeydew had a baby. A noisy, bald baby.

  337. Timo says:

    PG is the most useless GM in the world. Not getting MAB is easily equivalent (and actually much worse) than Patrick Roy fiasco. Than Kirk Muller trade. Than John Leclair trade… all combined. Sigh. Habs will be paying for this mistake for years to come.

  338. billylove says:

    Please, way too much angst about MAB!!! He is not the sollution to what ails the team.

  339. avatar_58 says:

    I agree. I’ve been crying all night. What a goddamn travesty. HOW COULD THEY DO THIS?

  340. Bill says:

    Don’t forget the Chelios trade. That has nothing on losing Queen Mab.

    Full Breezer 4 Life

  341. ManApart says:

    For once you are right about something. I totally agree. The last thing we need is overpaid, underperforming players. We have enough of those.

  342. Chorske says:

    “for once”?!


  343. AH says:

    Thanks for doing my work for me SF, I was going to respond to Bill…Horcoff is an absolute overpaid bum. Ask any Oiler fan; Kevin Lowe crippled them for years with that brainless signing. He has one of the worst contracts in the league, (right up their with Nomez’s). He’ll be out of the league when that contract is done. He is right about Penner though, skill and size, but no work ethic. Alas, we have some of those types too, and certainly don’t need anymore.

  344. Bill says:

    Well, if they could somehow get rid of Gomez, I’d much rather have Horcoff until 2015 than Gomez. Especially with the 2 million in cap savings. Horcoff is big and hard-working. His numbers have suffered playing with the Oil, but he should be good for 20 goals/60pts, and would complement Pleks nicely.

    Penner … I know. But the Habs could sure use 6’4″ 250 lbs in front of the opposition’s net, couldn’t they? He manages to score despite his alleged laziness.

    Full Breezer 4 Life

  345. Bill says:

    BTW, laughed my ass off at that Steve Carell video, HAHAHA!

    However, Horcoff is still better than Gomez.

    Full Breezer 4 Life

  346. avatar_58 says:

    Reffing has been terrible this year regardless of the team. So many missed obvious calls or just plain retardedness (the Orr goaltender interference, bad penalty shots, etc)

  347. billylove says:

    Right on!!!

  348. SeriousFan09 says:

    With Bettman hushing up everything that might sound like controversy and HNIC performing hatchet jobs on players who question officials integrity because Ron was a minor, minor league ref once upon a time, they have no accountability and now find it easy to not hold themselves accountable on making the tough calls.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  349. avatar_58 says:

    It’s funny once upon a time I liked Ron, but he’s such an underhanded little sneak when he gets an agenda. It’s also really annoying watching them interview Bettman whenever he gets the chance, he takes jabs yet pulls back whenever Bettman shows his claws.

  350. Duracell3 says:

    Nothing beats last year’s playoffs, nearly every series, nothing.

  351. Jonson says:

    man, if JM sratches Eller again im gonna freak out , this coach is a Bleeping idiot. Does he not realize how well Eller is playing? does he not realize that the third line has been awesome everytime time eller darche and pouliot play together? im sick of his BS, is his sole intention to disrupt the development of young players?  If you want to play DD then take out Halpern,  i really dont care but just  let ELLer play the kid is AMAZING.

    MAn i hope PK is playing……

  352. avatar_58 says:

    They can’t scratch Halpern, he’s the PK guy when Plek is off. He’s also the ace in Martin’s sleeve when he needs two centers in the dying minutes to win the faceoff.

    Eller is the odd man if you want DD playing center, and Eller isn’t much of a winger. It’s not a punishment, it’s just a test to see if DD can spark the scoring.


    It won’t last if DD can’t help, Eller will be back and DD will be sent down.

  353. ManApart says:

    Eller is amazing? What are you watching? He’s been ok, not more than that. 2g 4A, 6P, -1. Pretty typical 4th line stuff. Halpern has been a lot more valuable than Eller has. Losing Eller doesn’t change anything team wise.

  354. W35T5ID3 says:

    I know.Eller rules!He skates excellent and hes slippery fast ….and slick.Once he has a year or 2 under his belt and feels comfortable in the NHL he’ll adjust and mature and round into form and i think be a pretty good NHL’er.Pk also will be a stud.Defense is difficult to learn especially in this league.He will mature,adjust and adapt with 2 or 3 years under his belt and both eller and pk will form a decent nucleus for the habs for years to come.

  355. Timo says:

    YOu know who should be sparking the scoring? The guys who get paid 5, 6, 6 and 8 mil respectively, not an AHL call-up.

  356. avatar_58 says:

    Hey, no arguement here. I love me some Cammy but he’s not doing his job lately. Gionta also seems to have forgotten how to shoot at the net.

  357. Bill says:

    No no no. Those guys get automatic, unquestioned top line status and power-play minutes. And they don’t have to do anything, they already proved themselves, which is why they make so much money.

    Instead, if the Habs lose, let’s bench Eller. Or AK. Or Pouliot. Or Subban. It shows respect.

    Full Breezer 4 Life

  358. AH says:

    Timo, I’ve had it with your comments!!!! The accuracy and truthfulness of them make me sick, just stop it ok!

  359. kempie says:

    He hasn’t forgotten how to shoot at the net. In fact, that’s all he ever seems to do.  He has, however, forgotten how to shoot at the open parts of the net.

  360. Fool of Chu says:

    That holds true even for wide open nets without being pressured by an opposing d-man. He could easily have 25 goals by now if he’d bury a slight percentage of his quality scoring opportunities.

  361. avatar_58 says:

    Ouch. Edmonton has outplayed Detroit in the 3rd, but a goal off a foot took away momentum. Then Helm basically decided to deke the whole team and put it out of reach.

  362. Everlasting1 says:

    I wouldn’t say’s hard to sustain momentum against Det, they can turn it around so quickly. But yea, that was one flukey goal.


    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  363. billylove says:

    Eller certainly has upside potential down the road, but you are right, he’s not amazing by any objective measure.

  364. ManApart says:

    Eller has potential to be a good 3rd liner in my opinion. He doesn’t have the scoring talent to be a top 6. I’m convinced he’s only with the big club because PG doesn’t want to look dumber than he already does for only getting him in return for Halak. I think Eller would have benefitted more, by playing one more year in the AHL, playing top minutes and PP,PK duty. But as we know this organization isn’t so swift, when it comes to young players.

  365. Timo says:

    Either way, that is some trade PG pulled for Halak.

  366. ManApart says:

    Pretty awful stuff. Blues are happy though.

  367. Jonson says:

    sorry everybody but i would rather have eller anyday over halpern.  This kid had been amazing in his own right, he is strong,physical, is great one on one, he back checks, the kid does everything. He may not have the points but he plays 11 mins a game. thats with no pp time. What have i been watching? thats the key right there, i have been watching him specifically and from what i see its not gonna be long till he is our number 1 center. 2-3 years max.  He is up because of PG doesnt want to look stupid? lol we are so lucky to have a player at the age who is so good. that was a great trade.

  368. Jonson says:



  369. AndyF says:

    I think we should make a distinction between “4th-line stuff”, and a developing player who needs ice-time to become a first- or second-liner.  I’ve seen some moves in Eller that I have not seen in very many career 4th-liners.  


    You know they often talk about players needing to sacrifice their short-term stats for the good of the team.  To be a good team player you need to sometimes give up those precious scoring opportunities in favour of a safer “system”.   Well the same goes for coaches.  Some coaches are unwilling to give up their precious win-loss record in favour of developing  players for the long-term benefit of the team. 


    In other words, there’s such a thing as a coach who’s not a good team player.   JM is just such a coach.




  370. Jonson says:

    couldnt agree more


  371. ManApart says:

    This isn’t a developmental league. This is the NHL. A player can develop in the NHL, but not to the detriment of the team. You don’t sacrifice team goals for one or two players maybe/hopefully development. Not unless you are in a complete rebuild. The AHL is for players to develop to the point where they can step in and help the team. If they can’t, they don’t belong in the NHL.

  372. ManApart says:

    As of today, you take Eller over Halpern, you aren’t as good a team as the other way around. If your preference is to play your favorite players, then fine. Most of us rather just play the better player. The kid does not do everything. How many points again? He doesn’t seem stronger than any defenseman on opposing teams to me. He does play a little physical, but nothing more than other 3rd, 4th liners around the league. How is he great one on one? Datsyuk is great one on one, not Eller. He does play a pretty decent defensive game for a youngster, I’ll give you that. He’s no Halpern though. He’s ok at some of the things you mentioned, but excels at none of them right now. To say he’s going to be our #1 center in a few years is pretty laughable. He has shown none of the skills even close to being an upcoming #1 center. A young man named Taylor Hall has in Edmonton. Eller has not.

    I’m not saying he’s garbage. He looks like he can be a very nice 2-way 3rd liner. Maybe score 20 one day. That’s a pretty valuable guy to have. To suggest he’s an amazing first line prospect is just bias. Also, if you think trading a top #1 goalie, for a 4th liner as we speak, maybe a good 3rd liner in the future, is a great trade, you’re completely fooling yoursef. But that’s your perogatve.

  373. J_P says:

    I agree, but than the habs should leave these guys in hamilton if martin is going to have no patience for their inevitable rookie mistakes.  Giving eller 3rd and 4th line minutes right now is not only not doing squat for his development, I would say its hurting it. 

    I would say one of the biggest problems with the habs is organizational dissoray.  We dont draft players that fit the style of the team, and we hire defensive coaches only to go out and spend big money on offensive minded players.  It seems like the players we draft are so busy trying to learn to play habs hockey, that they forget how to play hockey.  Same thing with Cammy, Gionta and Gomez.  They are so busy trying to adapt to martins defense-only system, that they forgot how to do the things that made them succesful throughout their careers.

    Another classic example is bryan murray.  Why sign gonchar and kovalev, two enigmatic russian players who dont bring 100% every game, and stick them with a no BS coach like clouston? Doesnt make sense.  You are putting the players you selected/signed/traded for in a position to succeed.  With guaranteed contracts, especially at kovalev and gonchars age (considering the millions they have already made), do you think they care to take cloustons crap?

  374. J_P says:

    Maybe eller looks like that because that is the role hes being forced to learn? Ever consider that?

    Honestly, the molsons have disappointed me.  This teams mandate is and always will be to squeak into the playoffs to get some playoff revenue.  Present mediocrity that still generates some playoff dollars will not be sacrificed in the name of future success.

    Its no coincidence that all our young players come up brimming with confidence before looking lost 5 games in.  Boucher and now Cunneyworth do great work with the youngsters only for them to come up and be destroyed by Martin.  In a sport where confidence is everything, Martin seems to do a great job destroying everyones.

  375. mbplekfan says:

    People who cant see past the end of their own noses would believe you but seriously thats a dumb thing to say. Players cannot develop NHL abilities by playing in the AHL. They can totally dominate that league and still require two years of NHL ice time to start to fullfil their potential.

    Young teams dont win very often. They struggle and make rookie mistakes, but over time they get better. Chicago and LA come to mind. A few years ago they had young players finding their way in the league while New Jersey relied on veterans.

    Chicago wins the cup, LA is a great team and the devils suck.

    In todays NHL you have to develop and stick with your draft choices as they improve. Relying on free agents and veterans is a sure fire way to mediocrity.

    The NFL isnt a developmental league either, but Michael Vick sucked really bad his first year. Fortunately for him the coach didnt bench him in favour of a journeyman QB.

  376. W35T5ID3 says:

    No, ManApart….you are amazing.Amazingly stupid.

  377. Jonson says:

    you must be blind my friend. and Eller is on the 3rd line not the 4th. Halpern is the 4th line center. one behind Eller. A guy like Halpern helps sometimes but we dont need Jeff Halpern.

  378. avatar_58 says:

    Maybe not the *whole* period, but I thought they were getting the better chances and had good puck possession. Once you let up though….

  379. Everlasting1 says:

    Yea, they were buzzin’..especially Taylor Hall.


    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  380. Fool of Chu says:

    I am irritated by your doubt, young padawan.

  381. Nina76 says:

    QUESTION ??????????ARE MY HABS WATCHING THE JUNIOR GAME??????THAT IS THE WAY TO PLAY guys. How about it??? Go Habs Go !!!!!!!!!!!

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