Canadiens back at work

Kaberle
The Canadiens return to practice Monday morning.
They’ll be prepping for a visit by the Islanders Tuesday evening.
Tomas Kaberle makes his first visit to Brossard.

Red Fisher on Kaberle

Jack Todd rips Pierre Gauthier

Price did his homework on Parise

Pierre Ladouceur on Kaberle

• The dismal home record

Stu Hackel on the MLSE deal

204 Comments

  1. adesbarats says:

    I can’t believe I wasted my time reading that Jack Todd article. Pure garbage. You guys better produce better stuff if you want us to continue visiting this site.

  2. ont fan says:

    Well oldhockey I understand..Im from the 60′s and 70′s era. I don’t think you can hoodwink the other GM’s like Sam used to do. Defensive hockey is being played by most of the other teams now mostly because there are so few teams with stars. I look at Tampa who retooled through the draft and they stink with a coach just like JMl.The old days are gone.As for the ones that have been traded, I don’t see anybody who went on to be that great. Even Mcdoughna logs big minutes but a star. A trade for Georges and Max Pax ended up pretty well for us. Too many teams have retooled and have gone no where.Until the league shrinks most teams are just trying to get into the playoffs and get a hot goaltender.If you have goalie you’ve got a chance

  3. Blah, blah, blah! That’s all I’m hearing about retrofitting bits of vets onto this lame duck team. MasterHab is right-on. Seems that the Montreal fan base has gotten dumbed down. Who wants to squeel into the playoffs every year just to get blown out in the first or second round? Do you? I sure don’t! I can’t stand watching every game for the past dozen years wondering whether the tank will empty in the third period, or if their veterans like Gill who should be more of a driver for moving the puck up, protecting Price and using his 6’7″ frame to punish anyone who crosses the blue-line, but he’s a big pussycat. Measure him against Charankenstein and he’d be pounded into mince meat without even being hit. Who else do we have to instill some fear into onrushing forwards? Anyone, hello? We had Subban, but his mojo has been tweaked out of him. So much for getting the fans going. That isn’t Martin’s style. Boring and weak. Defensive. Ain’t gonna win anything, individual or team without SCORING people! So until we get some players who can move the puck up without dumping and chasing, with great hands and a booming shot, we’ll be middle of the pack mediocre and won’t see a cup for another half century with the Francais requirement in a league that is language blind, except in Montreal. What a shame that I’ve watched the demise of such a storied franchise with all of the memories and that is all we’ve had for the last almost 20 years and it doesn’t look good moving forward. The JM debacle continues from the Gainey experiments on down to Martin. Other coaches get fired for destroying their talent like Subban (who cares what the Flyers say about him! They are the opposition!). Max-Pac et al. Let them wheel around the ice and make the competition dizzy. Let Emelin hit them silly and they won’t know which end is up, but noooooooo! Get into the system which stifles our own players not the opposition. Getting so fed up with watching and listening to late game losses, giveaways, short handed goals, injuries (cause other teams are beating us up, Bruins? Anyone go after Chara when he broke Max’s neck? Nope!) So if we can’t respect ourselves despite being laughed at as that French team which hasn’t changed much from the days of Maurice Richard, then what have we got? Our Czechs, playing their Czechs and so on. Why have so many other teams made our disappointments work out well when they didn’t perform with the Habs? Not because of the fans and the pressure! There is pressure in almost every market and certainly pressure on these athletes themselves. it’s the management and coaching staff. Too bad we lost Muller. Anyone want to blow daisey smoke up my you know what, I’d love to hear anything positive that is currently or going to happen to the Habs. otherwise, I am not going to spend money to see a pathetic team, lose to pathetic teams and put up a fight against the top teams. Cammy is fed up (you can see he’s lost his interest in performing), Gomez… well what can you say and that’s over $13 million right there. Sigh! So sad and such a shame that this is all we have left. A crest, the colors and we don’t even have the Forum anymore.

    Promote the Youth, Support From The Veterans and Remember the Heritage!

    • chilli says:

      This is the dumbest post I have read all year. And I am glad that you no longer plan to support this team because we don’t need an idiot fan like you anyway.

      But for fun, let’s just look closely at it:

      - “Who wants to squeal (k) into the playoffs every year just to get blown out in the first or second round?” – well, certainly not the Gainey/PG version of the Habs as we got to the final 3 two years ago and game 7 against the Stanley Cup champs last year. We were the biggest challenge they faced all playoffs.

      - “Gill who should be more of a driver for moving the puck up, protecting Price and using his 6’7″ frame to punish anyone who crosses the blue-line, but he’s a big pussycat” – Gill has never been a driver moving the puck. The player we picked up, has been playing the same game for 10 years. He’s not going to all of a sudden learn how to skate fast and power the puck up. He has figured out how to use his limited skills to be very helpful to a team. His nickname is ‘Skillsy” for that very reason. And he protects Price a plenty – by blocking shots and passes all night long. I’d like to see you lie down and block slap shots with no face mask. And for comparing him to the toughness of Chara – idiot – there is only one Chara. He’s the most feared guy in the league and for good reason. He’s a monster and NOBODY wants to fight him.

      - “So until we get some players who can move the puck up without dumping and chasing, with great hands and a booming shot, we’ll be middle of the pack mediocre”. So who would that be? Carter and Nash (last place), Getzlaf and Perry and Selanne (way below the Habs), Tavares (below Habs), LaCave AND St. Louis AND Stamkos (below Habs), Kovulchuck and Elias and Parise (below Habs), Kopitar and Doughty and Richards (below Habs), Iginla (below Habs), Ovechkin AND Semin AND Backstrom AND Green (Tied with Habs), Thornton AND Marleau AND Pavelski AND Burns AND Boyle whom many consider the Best in the West (one point ahead of Habs).

      - “with the Francais requirement in a league that is language blind, except in Montreal” – what are you talking about? There is no French language requirement ….and then you counter your own statement by discussing Price, Gill, Subban, Max Pax, Emelin and the Czechs. What French are you talking about? Martin? aka a top 10 coach in wins of ALL time? That dude? I think he’s the only one that actually speaks French in the locker room…. Oh, I’d like to meet the person out there laughing at us as ‘that French team’. WTF are you talking about?

      The league has changed since the Montreal dynasties. You can’t live in the past. No team dominates like that any more. It’s a very tough championship to win. The economics have also changed. Montreal is the most taxed team in the league. Players WON’T come here unless we overpay them. You’re living in the past. Do you miss getting postcards as well?… so do I – but we live in an email world.

      And you really think Cammy has lost interest in performing? Really? He’s a pro athlete that loves playing in Montreal and he is trying his hardest to get on the scoreboard.

      Go follow some other team. Have fun.

      Tre

  4. bellcentre hotdog says:

    Nice article Jack Todd.
    Writing the guy off before he’s played even 2 games.

    It’s no wonder free agents are reluctant to sign in Montreal with crap like that being printed.

  5. chilli says:

    Don’t let Todd’s article bother you. He knows nothing about hockey and sports in general because he never played. He wasn’t even a sports writer until someone handed him the open slot. He was a gossip writer. For him to question the hockey mind of Gauthier is ridiculous.

    During Kabs season of “misery” last year had same amount of points as camarro and thirteen more than subban…

    The only mistake PG made in the off-season was not signing Konopka for 700g. He has the same amount of points as Gomez. He has 4 points less than Eller…and he’s a monster. Big bad bruins not so big if we had Konopka.

    Tre

  6. moester says:

    Kaberle is a good vet with a big contract. No, he is not a fantastic blue-chip player but he is good at what he does. Spacek was is a good vet as well but is clearly losing a step every year. The only real advantage to Spacek is that he is very good positionally where Kaberle is very good offensively. I can’t say that I love the cap hit but we needed something to get our PP going. I think that people who are complaining that we could stunt the growth of our young D by limiting their time or sending them to the AHL forget the lessons we should have learned with Latendresse. I prefer to have a vet helping us win than a rookie learning his trade by making mistakes on the big club. it sure didn’t hurt Max to go play big minutes on Hamilton’s top line!

  7. db says:

    I just moved back to Montreal and saw my first Gazette today. I glanced at Todd’s article and saw sandpaper = Spacek. Ugh. I shut the whole paper and shook my head.

    I liked Spacek and if I were GM this was a no brainer trade. We have 20 mil (with Kabs) in cap space this summer and a bunch of guys to resign… not to mention a decent UFA crop. This can be the summer of the Goat! He can show his skills by dumping Gomez, keeping or trading Kabs (at least we got something for a pending UFA) and building a proper 4th line.

    I haven’t bothered commenting too much on here, since everything is covered daily, but Todd just pushed me over the top today. I used to like him when I was in high school… half my lifetime ago. As a straight up trade, this is a win. And hey.. maybe he has some secrets he’d like to share. Kabs hasn’t been treated properly for a couple of seasons now.

  8. HabsfanoftheHabs says:

    So, when (if) we get some players back on D a few things to consider:
    - how bout PK sits a few? Didn’t hurt last year and maybe he snaps out of his funk
    - can’t we let Gill take a few days off too? I want Gill on this team, he has value, but rest would benefit him through Jan/Feb
    - Weber is ready to go right

  9. hansolo says:

    Kaberle has played only 1 game for us but he did well in that game. He liked Montreal even before he he was traded here. I feel he’ll do his best for us. Pleks is a buddy of his and perhaps that will help. He’s no Shea Weber or Nikolas Lidstrom but over his career, he has a good tally of points and is + player. Whether the latter means he gets soft minutes and good zone starts, I don’t know, but one can infer that if you put him in a position to succeed, he more than likely will. Whatever your views on JM might be, he is good at sheltering people who need to be sheltered.

    I was a little worried about the term of Kaberle’s contract but plenty of people more knowledgeable than I have said it’s not a problem, either in the absolute dollar amount or in being able to move him in the future should we need to. Seeing that none of us is PG (unless he is really HH in disguise, and posts here to yank our chains), we can leave the worrying about that particular matter to him.

    For all the grief that PG gets here, he’s done OK this year. He got Emelin, Cole, and now Kaberle. I’ll throw in Diaz as well because some of you are fans of his; notwithstanding his play, I seriously doubt PG or JM meant for Diaz to be on the big club this early in the season. Injury forced their hands and I won’t blame PG for that.

    I can’t see PG ever ripping a player publicly like Burke and Rutherford did with Kaberle. That’s a great way to keep a player’s value when you want to move him, isn’t it? Or to make him feel weclome on the team? What were they thinking? All else being equal, I would rather have a GM with some class.

    Last night, I was surprised to see the fans in the high-priced seats at MSG — where Derek Boogard played — stand up and cheer during a fight between Barch of Florida and Brandon Prust. Prust lost and had a bloody face to show for it. It was a pointless fight. Florida was down 1-4, and there was no honor that needed defending. There hadn’t been any questionable hits or cheap-shots before that. According to the announcers, Barch “wanted to get his team going.” How fighting accomplishes that, I’ll never quite understand. It seems all the health-related concerns about fighting that were brought up when Boogard, Belak and Rypien died this past summer have been forgotten. At least, it’s good to know JM cares enough about his players’ health not to demand they be goons just “to get the team going.”

    • hansolo says:

      Unrelated point — was having trouble with html codes with that post. Despite placing the bold code before and after ONLY the phrase I wanted in bold, the rest of the paragraph became bold as well. Anyone able to tell me what I was doing wrong?

  10. kalevine says:

    My memory of last year’s excruciating playoff run by the Bruins was that, although Kaberle had a terrible start, he actually played as steadily as any of their other defensemen from the quarter finals on. He did contribute positively to their win, and he can help here too. My big beef is that we need more grit at the back end, not more finesse. But to say Spacek provided that grit is ludicrous. Spacek hasd also been VERY injury prone lately. I’ll leave the cap issues to the cap people

  11. gmd says:

    So what did Tim Tebow do to piss off Todd so he’d end up on his zero list?

    • HabsfanoftheHabs says:

      Was just going to write that!

      What a piece of junk story. How does this guy get printed??? There’s a ton of nonsense it his article. For a guy who I assume has a history of writing and more insight on the team than I do he comes off very ignorant. MDG?? the word cheat starts with a C Jack, you’d notice that if you proof read your shit.

      Shouldnt we all email him and provide our 2 cents?:

      jacktodd46@yahoo.com

      • gmd says:

        I think I might email him.

      • MasterHab says:

        Newspapers employ people to edit and proof-read stuff before it gets printed. Don’t blame the columnist if you see a typo. And if that’s all you can pick on then you don’t have much.

        We need more journalists like Todd and fewer cheerleaders for the Habs. Seriously, I read some of the posts on here and I wonder. Have the Habs been this mediocre for so long that their own fans no longer recognize the difference between spit and shineola anymore? This team is CRAP and it’s been CRAP for years now. And back in the days when Habs fans could tell the difference they wouldn’t pay good money to watch a team like this.

        It is apparent to me that the fan base has been systematically dumbed-down to the point where they’re just happy to show up, pay their $300 and blindly cheer for whatever 20 players our incompetent managerial staff deign to throw out there. Todd reminds us that we have a right to expect more than what we’ve been getting.

        What did Todd say that was inaccurate? Kaberle is a waste of money. It’s $12 million worth of cap space on a guy who isn’t going to make a difference. Oh sure, maybe he can help this bunch squeak into 8th place but so what? The raison d’etre of the Montreal Canadiens is supposed to be to win Cups, not merely qualify for the post-season. Maybe you’ve lowered your expectations and can be happy watching this crap, but both Todd and myself can still remember a time when the standards for this team were much higher. I see no reason why I should settle for less.

        Maybe you don’t like Todd because he keeps reminding you of unpleasant truths. You want to wallow in the ignorance of the nouveau riche fans who fill the Bell Centre to watch what passes for the Habs these days? Fine by me. Dream that dream. You obviously have more money than good sense. Just know, however, that it’s fans like you, the blind Leafs-like sheep, who ensure that things will never change. You forfeit your right to complain when you choose to keep feeding the beast. Todd reminds us that this team doesn’t deserve the fans it has.

  12. JF says:

    A lot of posts debating the Kaberle deal. 24Cups (Steve Kerley) rightly calls it a desperation move. It’s clear that if something were not done to get the powerplay working, the season would have been over long before Markov came back. So the real question is whether it was a mistake for Gauthier to try to save the season, whether it would have been better to play the team we have and let the chips fall where they may. The problem with that is that the result might well have been ninth or tenth place – i.e., no playoffs and no high draft pick. The addition of Kaberle should mean we now have a not unreasonable chance of making the playoffs, which at the very least will be good experience for our young players.

  13. Hab-Q says:

    Here’s why the Leafs (Burke) were desperate to get rid of Kaberle.

    When Burke came to the leafs his mission was to purge ALL of the players from the previous regimes. Big ego in play here.

    Kaberle was the last of those players. It was deadline time and Burke was able to parlay Kaberle into assets.
    Besides he had Phaneuf @ 6.5 mil a year for 3 more years,
    Komisarek @ 4.5 mil for 3 more years and Schenn @ 3 mil as a pending RFA who signed long-term @ 3.6 mil per year.

    There was no money to pay him after signing all of HIS (Burke’s)boys.

    Add it all up – and Kabbie had to go.

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    ~Rodney Dangerfield

  14. Everlasting1 says:

    Anyone care to, and bold enough to explain the difference between a typical Leaf fan to..oh idk, say..a Habs fan? The lines have become somewhat undefined as of late heh. Without gloating over the ancient past of prior accomplishments, of course.

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    “For I will go through the land of Egypt on that night, and will smite all the first-born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the Gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am the LORD.” Exodus 12:12

    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I do know that both groups of Fans are far more passionate and supportive of their teams than say ah… St. Louis Blues Fans.

      • Everlasting1 says:

        As a marketed product perhaps. The tides are shifting for St.Louis.

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        “For I will go through the land of Egypt on that night, and will smite all the first-born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the Gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am the LORD.” Exodus 12:12

        “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

  15. rhino514 says:

    O.K so now I am staring to see repeated posts suggesting that the organization sucks because….they try to make the playoffs! How do people come up with this? There is this murky notion that giving up on the playoffs for one or two years will win you a cup down the road. That just isn´t true.
    The playoffs isn´t just about making money. It´s about MAKING THE PLAYOFFS. It´s about playing hockey when most teams are playing golf. Making the playoffs consistently is its own reward. It is A GOOD FEELING.
    The thing is ANYTHING can happen once you make the playoffs. So squeaking in isn´t a bad thing to do. The Habs are not extreme this view, they are actually quite moderate. Most teams within striking distance of the playoffs would try and do something to up their chances. Getting Kaberle did not give up any long term prospects. It make the team better this year, because he is better than spacek even if he plays at sixty percent of what he has been and he may play better than that. Four million on a contract for a defenseman with some offensive skills isn´t much overpriced the way the league is. There are simply very few Dmen in the league that can consistently move the puck into the opponents zone and consistently dish it off to the right teamate. If he plays at anything resembling his past abilities, other teams will want Kaberle´s contract, if they want to get rid of it. Also, the young Dmen prospects will not be ready to make a place for themselves until after next year, and his contract isn´t long term so it isn´t really eating away at the kids opportunities. Also, there may not even BE hockey next year.
    Lastly, making the playoffs DOES add revenue and that´s important. Just because there is a salary cap doesn´t mean teams are forced to spend to the cap. A team that consistently makes the playoffs generates enough revenue to spend to the cap. you take it for granted that the Habs will always spend to the cap, but it rised ALOT last year, and will continue to rise in the next few years. Added revenue also allows an organization to put money back into scouting, drafting, and all kinds of things.
    And even if you give up on the playoffs for a couple of years, which is absurd, by saving four or five million in not going after a rental, it just won´t make much of a difference. You have a one in thirty chance to with the Cup every year. Saying no to seventh place in the playoffs and missing out and gambling that you may come in at fourth place in a couple of years just doesn´t make any sense whatsoever. You´d have to tank consistently for a few years in order to attempt to prove this theory correct; that you can come in at first or second place five years down the road. There is no way the habs or any other other decent organization would consciuosly do such a thing, unless they are a small market team and are forced to do that because of the economics. The habs aren´t in that position.
    If you want to use the example of a team that cosnsistently sacrifices future assets for quick fixes, look at the leafs. How many times have they made the playoffs in the last ten years?
    The habs manage their assets MUCH MORE efficiently than the leafs and are much more balanced regarding winning now and investing in the future that than the leafs. They are a responsible organization.

  16. Chorske says:

    Whoa. Spatch was great, but describing him as “a truckload of sandpaper” is pretty darned silly. More knee-jerk nonsense (accent on the “jerk”) from Todd

    • Everlasting1 says:

      An exaggeration.. point being he’s not as soft as Kaberle.

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      “For I will go through the land of Egypt on that night, and will smite all the first-born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the Gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am the LORD.” Exodus 12:12

      “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

      • Chorske says:

        Who gives a crap? Are we comparing toilet papers?! Which one is softer! Cottonelle or Charmin!! Come on. Both players come as advertized: Spatch was an underappreciated veteran workshorse and Kaberle is an apparently underappreciated veteran offensive defenseman who (like Subban…) has occasional defensive lapses. Neither was going to rock anyone’s world.

        • Everlasting1 says:

          Apparently, according to many here, the ex-Leafer has been granted the keys to the city.

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          “For I will go through the land of Egypt on that night, and will smite all the first-born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the Gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am the LORD.” Exodus 12:12

          “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Looks to me like you also have now used exaggeration. Keys to the City? Or hope he helps the Powerplay, two different things in my book. But I don’t live there, so I have no say in who gets the Keys.

          • Chorske says:

            So your issue with him is that he played for the Leafs back in the day? Why not hate on him for winning a cup with the hated Bruins, too? Or hate on Cole for the zillion times he buried us when he was a Cane?

            If he is half as productive as he was vs NJ for the rest of the season, I say HELL YES, give him the damn keys. Name a Metro Station after the guy- one of the lameass ones like Pie-IX or Lionel-Groulx.

          • Everlasting1 says:

            Ok, maybe not the keys..just a pass.

            ——————————————————————-
            “For I will go through the land of Egypt on that night, and will smite all the first-born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the Gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am the LORD.” Exodus 12:12

            “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

          • Everlasting1 says:

            Chorske, you sound desperate.

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            “For I will go through the land of Egypt on that night, and will smite all the first-born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the Gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am the LORD.” Exodus 12:12

            “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

  17. eric says:

    We need to start scoring 5 on 5 and not have to rely solely on the PP for our scoring. Nothing like putting all the eggs in one basket. Wasn’t Pearn the reason the PP wasn’t working? I don’t suppose it might be the coaching eh. Nah, it must be the players fault

  18. habs12 says:

    Jack Todd….SMH

  19. WindsorHab-10 says:

    Who the hell is Jack Todd? Is he aching for attention? Your column sir is a joke. You’ve already judged Kaberle after one game? Give us all a break & hand your pen because you’re clueless. This trade could go down as a bad one but at least give it time to judge it. But to compare Kaberle to Breezby? Not fair at all.
    Rutherford in Carolina is an idiot for saying what he did about Kaberle and no decent GM would rip on a player like that. Kaberle has a track record and is a very good player. He fills a need we have and I believe that this trade will go down as one of the best PG ever made.

    “Hate Bruins like a sickness”

    • ed lopaz says:

      Boone and Hickey also have gone on the record stating very clearly in their articles that the trade was a mistake

      This is NOT about Jack Todd – as much as I know Todd can be a complete JackAss.

      • patience is a virtue says:

        True. The almost universally negative media response has really blown me away. I will be happy to see them eat crow about Kabs (and hope I don’t have to :)

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Jack Todd is a very capable journalist who has worked at the Gazette for years. As I was learning English he and Michael Farber were two of the writers who I enjoyed reading the most, although I missed most of their humour at first.

      If you want info on him just google him, there’s lots on the Web.

      I judged Tomas Kaberle before he even played a game for the Canadiens, based on his play for the last five years. If the Canadiens traded for Brad Marchand, I wouldn’t have to give him 20 games before I could form an opinion either.

      Answer me this: if Mr. Kaberle is so good, why were the Leafs perpetually trying to trade him, for years on end? With his track record and all the points he amassed, he was the one they were flogging, at the draft, during pre-season, at the deadline, they were constantly talking up this slick puck-moving defenceman to try to deal him. Why was that?

      I’m reputed to be a Pierre Gauthier apologist, and I don’t support any talk of tanking, but I would rather have taken my chances with the crew of defencemen we had, with Mr. Spacek poised to walk the plank at the end of the season, and with a very real chance that we miss the playoffs, rather than take on three years of Tomas Kaberle.

      I’m not trying to be adversarial, just looking to discuss this, but the trade gives me the willies. I felt like I got punched in the gut when I heard the news.

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      • HabFanSince72 says:

        They were rebuilding and wanted to get rid of veterans. Kaberle was very well liked in Toronto.

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          Interesting. Maybe years of watching TSN pundits wonder when he was going to be traded gave me the opposite impression. I can’t remember another player who was shopped so relentlessly.

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          • G-Man says:

            Burke wanted Kaberle gone because Burke wanted truculence and Kaberle is not a proponent of that shite.
            Burke and Wilson kept dissing him in public while wanting a high draft pick for him.

        • Chorske says:

          Agree with this assessment: Kaberle was Toronto’s only movable asset. And they DID end up moving him, did they not? To a Stanley Cup team. And they got some decent assets back. But that doesn’t change the fact that the fans generally liked him.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Toronto after the dismissal of John Ferguson Jr. were looking for a complete culture change as it pertained to not only the roster but the upper mgmt of that entire organization.

        Fairly or not, Kaberle was judged to be a member of the Water Buffalo club, that is the Muskoka Five. This was Sundin, McCabe, Tucker, Kaberle and one other whom the name escapes me.

        It began with the hiring of Ron Wilson and Cliff Fletcher was instructed to clean house. Kaberle is a loyal player and loved playing in Toronto, perhaps to a fault but loyal nonetheless. Because he did not volunteer to waive his NTC, Wilson chose to publicly flog Kaberle. I suspect he wanted to embarrass Kaberle into asking to be traded. Burke then arrived on the scene and continued this charade by publicly stating he would not ask Kaberle to waive his NTC and that the player had earned it and was given it. However, I believe personally this was not the magnanamous gesture he made it out to be, but rather his way of asking Kaberle to approach him and offer to waive it. It didn’t work, it pissed off Kaberle and lines in the sand were drawn.

        His play since the arrival of Wilson began to wane, as well he was playing with a terrible team where they were not helping him in his pairings or with any forwards that knew what a backcheck was.

        Prior to this period of time, he was loved and adored in Toronto. Always with some defensive shortcomings, but also always with an offensive flair and a great first pass.

        But the decision to get rid of Kaberle was a complete culture chance to start with a new clean slate of Truculent players which fit BUrke’s mantra. Again these are my opinions.

        • Hab-Q says:

          Pavel Kubina was the 5th member of the Muskoka 5

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          “I went to a fight the other night and a hockey game broke out”

          ~Rodney Dangerfield

      • Da Hema says:

        I too was very critical of the trade when it initially was made. You have posed a good question, but I wonder whether it is based on facts. Did the Leafs “for years on end” try to trade Kaberle? I recall two years ago Burke publicly stating he would trade Kaberle, but the purpose for doing so was part of his re-building process. Clearly Kaberle didn’t fit the Burke mold. Yet the fact he didn’t get offers he felt were consistent with Kaberle’s talents indicates Burke was not willing just to dump him. And the Bruins regarded Kaberle highly enough to offer Joe Colborne, a first-round draft pick in 2011 and a conditional draft pick in 2012.

        In short, your question presumes Kaberle was not valued highly by other teams. The Bruins’ effort and ultimate offer to secure him indicates otherwise.

      • Hab-Q says:

        When Burke came to the leafs his mission was to purge ALL of the players from the previous regimes. Big ego in play here.

        Kaberle was the last of those players. It was deadline time and Burke was able to parlay Kaberle into assets.
        Besides he had Phaneuf @ 6.5 mil a year for 3 more years,
        Komisarek @ 4.5 mil for 3 more years and Schenn @ 3 mil as a pending RFA who signed long-term @ 3.6 mil per year.

        Add it all up – and Kabbie had to go.

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        ~Rodney Dangerfield

        • HabinBurlington says:

          And Jeff Finger at a significant contract as well which is currently being buried on the Marlies. At the time they hoped Finger would be part of the new team.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Thanks for the replies. Lots of good info, I feel slightly less nauseous about the deal.

        The panels on TSN were unanimous though, this is a panic move and horrible trade for the Canadiens. The old joke was trotted out about the Hurricane executive/coach/player who first hears that Tomas Kaberle has been traded: “Great trade! Who did we get in return?”

        I googled and found this link giving background on the Muskoka 5. I imagine the name is a reference to a vacation spot, to make fun of soft players?

        http://www.tmlfans.ca/blogs/4025-blue-and-white-beat-muskoka-five-era-ends-with-kaberle-trade

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    • hab1970 says:

      maybe we should think about moving Markov…

  20. Everlasting1 says:

    So PG devises yet another trade. This time to boost their troubling pp unit that’s not clicking this year. WHY? Worked fine last year. Then again, Muller and Pearn were gainfully employed here. What a tangled web Goatier weaves.

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    “For I will go through the land of Egypt on that night, and will smite all the first-born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the Gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am the LORD.” Exodus 12:12

    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Glad to see you can’t seperate your heart from caring about the Habs.

      • Everlasting1 says:

        My heart cares not, but still have an interest on their ‘progress’. This IS hockey.

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        “For I will go through the land of Egypt on that night, and will smite all the first-born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the Gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am the LORD.” Exodus 12:12

        “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    • ed lopaz says:

      I think losing Muller was a big blow for the players.

      Muller was the “go to guy” from the coaches office.

      Muller is a great leader.

      No guarantee that he will be able to turn around that Carolina team, of course,

      I am a big Muller fan since I met him in Northern Ontario when he was just named captain of devils at age 21 I think – in 1987.

      Met him again twice.

      Once at the Royal Vic when he was Captain of the Habs.

      And again at TMR arena when one of his daughters was playing minor hockey against my daughter.

      Muller is a winner.

      He is also a very easy guy to talk to and very humble.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Absolutely, he epitomizes what I want from a Hab Captain. And I hope one day he is back in the fold. I look at how Mr. Boucher was smart enough/patient enough to turn down the Columbus offer and go with Tampa. I wonder if Mr. Muller should have perhaps finished the year in the AHL and then looked to see what his opportunities would be. I suspect he believes in Mr. Rutherford and hopes long term that team will provide him a roster to work with. For now he has two great young forwards and a very good goalie, but not much else.

        • ed lopaz says:

          that’s why he took a 4 year deal.

          I doubt anyone else would have offered him that.

          Rutherford made a good move giving Muller the term he needed.

          I wish Muller the best of luck – except when he plays the Habs!!

      • Everlasting1 says:

        Muller was an inspiration in Mtl his whole career and did his job, yet he was made a scapeGoat, like so many before him.

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        “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

        • HabinBurlington says:

          How was Muller made a scapegoat?

          • Everlasting1 says:

            With the illusion that management and JM are actually doing a fine job. Worked on you. JM is an immovable object with that contract, and the brass are saving face.

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            “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

  21. joeybarrie says:

    Oh yeah, and i forgot to mention. Does anyone really think Markov is going to come back and lead our powerplay like he used to having not played in over a year????????
    Simply not having Markov in the ice is not the problem. WE NEED TO WIN GAMES IN THE NEXT MONTH.
    Markov will not be able to help immediately like we think he can. Plus i dont want to go to simply having to rely on one guy again…. they double team him and we are back to square one.
    The mistake was letting Hamr go. He was an offensive threat as well, thats what we are missing.
    I dont understand why we think once Markov touches the ice, this team will be perfect. It will take him 2-3 weeks to get back into the swing of things. To get his timing right.
    Do you really think we can afford to wait 6 weeks to start winning??????
    Worst case scenario we have a few guys to trade. And I know how much HATE we have for some of these guys. But Gomez, Kaberle, Gio, Cammi, etc are absolutely tradeable.
    And to be honest, PK is not looking like a 6 million dollar player right now.

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

    • gmur says:

      Markov won’t be the same player he was before the surgeries. Hopefully, his experience can help make up for his lessened mobility. He will be better than St. Denis and Diaz. It will be very interesting to see a defence corps with Markov, Campoli, Gorges, Kaberle and Subban. There are some good puck-moving defencemen in that lot. Should take some pressure off Subban, who is being asked to shoulder a lot in his sophomore season.

    • dh says:

      I think the main concern is whether this costs us Gorges and/or Andre K. Price will get what he wants next year and PK will be signed.

    • rogus says:

      Post of the year candidate! The Habs have relied on a saviour for far too long. We need multiple weapons to go deep. I was on the get Kaberle bandwagon before, and am still on it. He will help things out, and maybe can be a mentor to PK. Waiting for a player (that has been out too long) to turn things around is not good planning. Plus Kaberle for Spacek is a steal if he plays like he can, look what Boston gave up. Kaberle will return to form as a Hab, playing on a team with countryman turtleneck. This was a good deal by an astute GM that doesn’t get enough credit. It’s the penguin that I have a problem with!

  22. habfan53 says:

    So why go and get Kaberle??
    Markov still not back MAY miss another 18 games (till ASG 6 weeks)
    PK suffering sophmore jinx
    Weber not meeting expectations
    Diaz and Emelin still works in progress
    Gill has lost a step ( I’d still keep in on Penalty Kill)
    St-Denis has a bright future but not ready

    Kaberle is not a savior but he will steady the back end and WILL give a PP Q-back till Markov gets back (as I said 18 games)

    Just think if Montreal had scored 1 goal in 1/2 the games we lost in OT we would have 4 more points

    to paraphrase Nixon: If the Bruins do it, it is not illegal

  23. joeybarrie says:

    Wow, I have seen some ridiculous DUMB posts on this website. I have heard some STUPID things in my day…. But today Jack Todd has beat them all.
    PATRICE BRISEBOIS can do all the things Kaberle can do and for less???????? Really. Even if being ridiculously sarcastic, this has to go down and one of the dumbest things I have ever read from him. And to put it into print from a professional????? WOW…
    Kaberle while not lighting up the world with his past two teams was only on them for a few months each. Give the guy a break.
    The first thing I would like to point out is that Kaberle has as many points as PK Subban. So he is obviously doing terrible this season right???? So what do we sign PK for???? 2.5 million? Think about that.
    Second 6 points in his last 3 games with 2 different teams. Almost 50 points per season for the last 5 seasons. But all of a sudden after 30 or so games, he is USELESS???? How fricken stupid can you be? All those years on a non playoff team, leading this league in the top 15 year after year in points for a defenseman.
    At the very least give him a few games before we start bashing him.
    Especially after he has 6 points in 3 games. How STUPID does Jack Todd look bashing that???
    HEY TODD…….. REMEMBER WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT PRICE?????
    You would think he would learn his lesson.
    HEY MONTREAL MEDIA, lets bash a player after he get 2 assists in his debut for the team… Why would we want to actually support the players in our colours?????? No that doesnt make sense. Lets make it even harder for them. Its not like we actually WANT a winning team. Cause where would we be then. ALL EATING OUR OWN WORDS about how shitty a job everyone involved with the team is doing……… For GODS SAKE, why dont you just become a Leafs fan. Cause for once it would be nice to see some support. Especially when he has played one game.
    BUT no, this guy had 2+ season with more than 50 points. consistently a 40-45+ point player. He gets traded to a new city and after 30 games he is done… But of course its completely his fault not the coaches who coached him. YET SOMEHOW IN MONTREAL it is in fact the coach, the player, the GM, and everyone involved.
    Hey remember saying how BOUCHER was the next Bowman……. Where are the Lightning right now????? WHAT????? no comments on that. OH YEAH, we have to wait till they start winning before we can get on with that…. Oh and how many times have i heard Spach was too slow too old too everything, EXCEPT WHEN HE IS GONE, he was a GREAT SAND PAPER GUY and exactly what we need……
    WHAT A BUNCH OF BS…. For once I wish thinking before speaking or writing is something people were looking for.

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  24. ont fan says:

    Just love the comments here. Mentioning Bobby Orr in the same sentence with Kaberle..please. Desperation move..yes. But we need a powerplay..Kaberle can move the puck and gain the blue line..descent passer. .Never be a great defender. So what. We needed something.

  25. gmur says:

    One player I like watching is Desharnais. He’s got guts, speed and better hands than Gomez (there’s a leap…). Speaking of the best player in the NHL between blue lines, when is Gomez expected back? Hope Martin doesn’t move too many players around (read: Desharnais and Eller) to make room for Monsieur Gomez.

  26. habs03 says:

    IMO Gomez is as good as gone with off-season. 14.7 Cap hit, but only being paid 10M in real dollars, owners of teams looking to get to the cap floor are going to love saving that actually money. Even when PG was asked about cap space last year, him saying “you can always create cap space” was clear to me that Gomez is gone this summer.

  27. Un Canadien errant says:

    Click on the link and scroll down to read some good tweets about the MLSE takeover by Rogers and Bell.

    My favourite, from a Senators fan:

    On days like today, I’m glad the #Sens are owned by a half-mad billionaire. #MLSE

    http://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorials/article/1099732

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  28. ed lopaz says:

    what I can not understand about the Kaberle trade is the Markov connection??

    We were told it was a “scope” – which is very routine these days – and really 4 weeks for any good athlete to recover.

    So why take on kaberle for 4 weeks??

    Markov is so much better than anything else we have – including Kaberle – that he easily steps right into the QB spot his first game back.

    Then you have Kaberle as your 2nd wave QB??

    But why not continue developing Diaz or Subban or Weber as a 2nd wave QB??

    Would that not make more sense??

    And for those of you watching on Saturday before Kaberle picked up his 2 assists….one of which was his “only option” pass as he was leaning to the bench to make a change

    Kaberle was brutal in his defensive coverage – so bad that my son and I were laughing at the TV together.

    He does NOT move his feet – his skating (which I thought was his strength in Toronto) has left him – or he is so freaking lazy and disinterested that he just refuses to move his feet.

    He is a defensive liability, a nightmare really.

    watching guys take the puck right to the net without making any attempt to stop them.

    I would not have made this trade.

    I have spent the last 3 years on this site, and the best posters, I mean the guys who really, really know their hockey, have been
    laughing at Kaberle forever.

    Perhaps we will use him exclusively on the PP??

    Like a PP specialist??

    maybe that could work in the Habs favor, like we used to use MAB for his shot??

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      Markov’s recovery has now been pushed back to post-ASG break according to the Canadiens. Whether they are attempting to diffuse expectations of a speedy return and make it seem like a bonus if he plays in January at all I don’t know but right now it may be that the Canadiens do not have access to their PP maestro for the season the way this is going.

      - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

      • ed lopaz says:

        I thought they just needed to scope out some crap and drain a little fluid from the knee.

        anyway – I’m sure you would agree Serious – Kaberle is not a defenceman-

        he is like a designated hitter in baseball.

        a quarterback on the PP that should not play in the defensive zone.

        • SeriousFan09 says:

          I think pairing Kaberle-Gorges is the best way to diffuse the risk. Gorges can play the right side comfortably and balance out the defensive pairings as Emelin goes with Subban.

          Agree the situation isn’t ideal but where was the defence with Wisniewski or MAB often? When you go looking for PP fixes the number of PP QBs who can do it all are pretty damn thin.

          - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
          SF09 on Twitter

        • HabinBurlington says:

          If it turns out Markov is out beyond the 6 weeks (backdated to last weekend) then PG is caught with his pants down. He blatantly described the surgery itself as excellent and that scope was only to clean debris/scar tissue. If that is the case, 6 weeks is worst case recovery and he comes back in excellent shape. If it turns out to be worse than that then either Doctors have lied, or PG is lying. He is on record now, it hurts him to be caught in a lie now.

        • DorvalTony says:

          The glass is always half empty.

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        • patience is a virtue says:

          As this Boucher piece indicats: http://www.boucherscouting.com/2011/12/habs-kaberle-performs-as-expected.html, Kabs is more than a PP specialist. He is a puck moving defenseman, PP and 5-5. He is also, as you say, weak when he doesn’t have the puck.

          Why trade for him? Because the Habs were at serious risk of not making the playoffs despite being competitive and almost winning games, even when sucking. The PP was the key weakness. PG addressed that without losing much in the injury-prone 38 year old. The Goat is gambling that Kabs will fit in and produce as the 1PP QB and then as a bonus 2PP QB (nice thought that), and that he will be able to move salary and keep the young core intact this summer, one way or another.

          I liked the move from the moment it was announced as I strongly feel that this is the best group of Habs we have seen in well over a decade. Many accuse PG of being a sedate, over-cautious fub, but I think this proves once again that he wants to win and will be bold in doing so. That was an important message to send to the players, more so than the fans or media.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        I’ve heard Jacques Martin state that Andrei would be out until the All-Star Game, and I was puzzled by it. The official word was that he was getting his knee scoped to remove debris in the knee. The structure of the knee, the reconstructed ACL, were supposed to be sound and in good shape before the latest scope. Now I wonder if they found cartilage damage, which would extend the recovery period.

        I hate how we’re all having to play doctor on this one. There are posters who rely on 70′s era surgical practices (Bobby Orr) to confidently predict that Andrei’s career is finished, and pine for James Wisniewski, who also underwent two ACL reconstructions.

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        • HabinBurlington says:

          They haven’t changed the diagnosis from what i have seen, rather they are choosing only to describe the recovery time as the 6 weeks, instead of saying the 3 to 6 weeks. They have learned you cannot give timelines of 3-6 or everyone starts screaming after week 3.

          They are being cautious. This of course is just my opinion, I have no facts to back it up, just trust in PG’s words. (oh I can’t believe what I just typed.)

      • habfan53 says:

        I agree since the original announcement the he was GOING to have a scope we have heard he would be out 3-4 weeks, then 4-6 weeks and the rumours are post All-Star game. That will be between 9 and 20 games starting today.

        to paraphrase Nixon: If the Bruins do it, it is not illegal

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Ed, hasn’t the rumblings been that Montreal was after Kaberle for the past 3 seasons? My take is still that Markov will come back from his scope and be good. I think the Kaberle acquisition is for 3 reasons.
      1) He immediately makes the PP better and this was absolutely necessary or we continue to lose too many games and the season is lost before Markov gets back.
      2) When a mgmt team starts to fall in love with a player and chase them, they start to only see the positives in the player and vision is blurred. Agree with you Ed that Kaberle has defensive issues (puts it mildly) however, the love affair that I think PG and BG have had for Kaberle the last 3 years has overshadowed that. Add to the mix the fact it cost them virtually nothing (Spacek was not getting resigned and he has become an injury machine) and they are like kids in the toy store excited to buy that toy forgetting that the model they fell in love with is now 3 years older.
      3) They believe they will be able to move the player or other excessive dmen at trade deadline if indeed they have more the 8 healthy bodies.

      Ed, I don’t mind the trade because it only costs money and this team has plenty. If come summer they are pinched for cap room, bite the bullet send Gomez to Hamilton and your salary cap is cleared.

      As for Kaberle’s defence, because Montreal plays a very focused 5man defensive system this should help Kaberle. Hopefully he gets 3rd pairing minutes and becomes our MAB.

      It was a risk the team took to save the season. Real question is, does this team have enough goal scoring to justify trying to save this season. Gionta, Gomez and Cammy need to show they still have something left in my opinion to justify this deal.

      • ed lopaz says:

        a very good post from my man from Burlington, as usual.

        “it was a risk the team took to save the season”.

        yes. exactly.

        the Habs are ALL ABOUT HOW DO WE MAKE THE PLAYOFFS??

        I think this is starting to effect how they build a true winning franchise.

        the elite teams in hockey seem to build to win championships.

        we seem to be trying to save our season and make the playoffs every year.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Ed, while I am indeed calling it a risk, I am still twisted enough to believe that this team has the skill and chemistry to make a run. Fly in the ointment is the injuries, Gomez, Gionta, Cammy, AK. I just want to see this team play on all cylinders for a week and see what we got.

          I am so tired of saying if/when Markove gets back, but when he does, the person it helps the most is PK. Right now PK is being asked to play and do everything, we give him a break and all of a sudden PK gets to start develop again.

        • patience is a virtue says:

          From BG and PG’s points of view, this is year 3 of a rebuild. JM has had time to fully implement his system and the results can be impressive (league leading PK, solid 5 on 5 play, etc).

          Due to a truly ridiculous number of injuries over the past 3 seasons, we have yet to see the rebuild in full bloom. Yet Price is coming into his own. And with the luring over of Emelin and shrewd addition of Cole, plus the development of sophomores Max Pac, DD, Eller and PK, I actually think we have the horses to win championships right now. We can’t do it without a genuine 2C, but we have yet to really see if Gomer can bounce back this season. And we cannot do it with half the veteran defensemen injured.

          Trading for Kabs sends a strong signal – PG believes the Habs can win now, and he is willing to put his job on the line (by taking huge risks such as trading Halak, signing Markov, and, to a lesser extent, trading for Kabs) to prove it.

    • G-Man says:

      You keep laughing while the Habs start winning because of the PP instead of losing because they can’t score on the PP.

    • Lix says:

      Hey Todd is that you? I watched the 1 o’clock game against New Jersey where Kaberle was much better than the game I guess you watched. Why can’t people let things play out so we can actually see what impact it has on the team rather than ripping it to shreds before any proof is available?

      Right now winning percentage with Kaberle is 100%, but I’m not stupid enough to claim it was the perfect trade for them…..please try not being stupid in arguing the opposite.

  29. sane hockey fan says:

    Why is it when posters on this site rip PG on a daily basis it’s ok, but when Jack Todd does it, it’s the end of the frickin’ world?

    • gmur says:

      …because he’s a professional journalist who is paid by a newspaper to produce something other than drivel. Usually a newspaper requires some form of intelligent reflection before allowing its hired writers to launch a barrage of vitriolic, asinine opinion.

      • sane hockey fan says:

        Sorry you’re wrong. It’s because Hab fans go CRAZY when anyone criticizes the Canadiens, except when THEY are the ones making the criticisms.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          It would help Jack’s case if he was a little more realistic in his argument. As other’s have pointed out, when he calls Spacek a load of sandpaper, he immediately loses all credibility. Sandpaper rubs things out, when is the last time you saw Spacek rub a player out on the boards and get up aftewards?

          • G-Man says:

            It would help if he knew hockey at all.

          • ed lopaz says:

            I was NOT a Spacek fan his first 2 seasons here.

            But I have to admit he was playing better this season.

            He was quicker to the puck and he was more confident it seemed.

            compared to Kaberle, Spacek is a much better defender.

            also, Carolina put Spacek on the PP – where he played on Buffalo and put up a big season of points before we signed him –

            and Spacek also picked up 2 assists his first game back.

            And, I watched much of that game (I watch way too many hockey games on Center Ice),

            and Spacek made some brutal defensive plays as well.

            the 2 players in the trade had almost identical first games.

        • gmur says:

          You’re right, I am wrong. Todd is not a professional journalist and hopefully the Gazette doesn’t pay him any money to write. As for criticism of the Canadiens, not too many people would read this blog if they weren’t interested in other people’s criticisms of the team. I think most expect a certain amount of logic to underpin the ideas expressed here, though. In any event, I’m just curious to see how Kaberle does. As some have noted here, maybe the Canadiens system lends itself better to Kaberle’s game. We’ll see…

  30. DD says:

    An intelligent article from Jack Todd
    A Salad from McDonald’s
    A hug from a Hooker

    What do these things have in common?

  31. arcosenate says:

    I don’t know if Kaberle will continue to play as well as he did on Saturday afternoon, especially 5 on 5, but if he mans the point on the PP as he did everything is going to be OK for that deal. Think about it, if Cammalleri could actually hit something beside posts that game would not have been that close. If Cammalleri comes alive and Kaberle plays like that more goals will come.

    When Markov comes back, yes I do believe he will be back and play well, we might just put a few things together after the Christmas break that have been missing.

    Or Kaberle could suck, Cammalleri keeps hitting posts and Markov never comes back and the whole thing goes to hell in a hand wagon.

    That’s Monday optimism.

  32. Because from where we sit, it looks as though Gauthier just dealt a truckload of sandpaper (in the person of Jaroslav Spacek)….Jack Fraud.

    And that’s where I stopped reading. I mean, really? This guy has a newspaper job?

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  33. Un Canadien errant says:

    My take on the Bell-Rogers-BCE deal, reposted:

    So Rogers and Bell aren’t happy just being in bed with each other already, now they want to engage in unnatural acts involving the Canadiens and Maple Leafs? It will happen, but it shouldn’t happen.

    As far as the NHL is concerned, Bell’s share of the Montreal Canadiens should be easy to sell profitably on the open market, we’re not talking about the New Orleans Hornets or the Phoenix Coyotes here. Mr. Bettman should keep any appearance of impropriety (at least in those instances not involving Jeremy Jacobs and Colin Campbell) to a minimum by enjoining Bell to sell their stake in the Canadiens relatively quickly.

    In the wider view of the Canadian economy and consumer protection, the purchase of a sports and entertainment franchise like MLSE by the two great collusionists, er, ‘competitors’ of the telecommunications world is risibly indefensible. Rogers and Bell talk about how they’ll compete internally for the Leafs games among their broadcasters, possibly by using already established practices by which they set prices for mobile phone plans among themselves (“You want to raise prices 7%, we want to raise prices 9%, why don’t we settle on 10%?”)

    Two companies who are supposed to be fighting tooth and nail for customers, putatively by independently competing with each other to offer the lowest prices possible to customers, should have no opportunities to legally cooperate with each other in any area. We’re not talking about disaster management here or charity, where you can put differences aside for the greater good of the nation. They are trying to purchase MLSE to obtain valuable content for their telecom empires and get much much richer in the process. They are also trying to legitimize their de facto oligopoly in the eyes of Canadian society.

    The Canadian Competition Bureau, if it has any usefulness, should put the kibosh on this one immediately. While some might argue that it’s only sports, and therefore no big deal, in fact that in my mind makes it an even easier call to forbid this merger. This isn’t about being able to resist international competition or the survival of a company or saving jobs, as merger pirates always claim. This is about acquiring a cash cow and locking out competition, with no national interests threatened if the deal doesn’t happen. The Ontario Teachers’ Pension Plan simply can continue owning their stake until a better deal comes along.

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    • malmn says:

      Great post. Bell are traitors. Canadiens fans need to boycott them.

      GO HABS GO!!!

    • Everlasting1 says:

      All part of the NWO. This is what you’re all supporting..so-called free enterprise, a capatalistic society.

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      “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    • cuzzie says:

      Correct if I’m wrong but the NFL does not allow corporatios owning teams it has to be an individual.

      Mr. Bad Example!

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        You’re correct. Not sure that it makes a difference, except it allows megalomaniacs like Jerry Jones and Dan Snyder and Art Modell and Al Davis and Arthur Blank to bask in the spotlight and act like civic leader.

        The only exception is the Green Bay Packers, who are a community-owned non-profit corporation. I think every sport team should be owned that way, it would do away with threats and blackmail from owners to move the team unless the city builds them a new stadium.

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        http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

    • Jim Edson says:

      Normand, maybe this type of scare ie. losing its biggest cash cow would force the CBC and more pointedly HNIC to make improvements to its content by dumping its amateurish attempt at tabloid journalism!

      The deletion of Maclean, Cherry, Milbury, Stock, Boob Cole and the rest of the HNIC stooges would be a start.

      Have you ever contacted CBC sports over anything which you thought inappropriate, unfair or just plain wrong? Their responses highlight their arrogance and disconnect with their defacto owners.

      ———————————————————————-
      What does the Commissioner of the NHL do?

      In short, a league commissioner is the action man for the Board of Governors.

      They tell him what they want done and he works to make it happen through his subordinates while making sure that individual franchises play by the rules.

      ******** Translated if you haven’t won the Stanley Cup in 40 years your NHL team is becoming irrelevant in a sports mad city long behind MLB, NFL and NBA teams, you just tell the commissioner(who you gave a new contract at 7 plus million per) to make it happen and the rules are bent sufficiently to action the command.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        I’ve got no problem with Bell or Rogers owning the Leafs, I just want both to outbid each other to own the company, instead of overtly getting into bed with each other. It’s also distasteful that these guys are the pipeline through which the service (hockey) is offered. Talk about opportunities for gouging.

        People will squawk that if I don’t like it I don’t have to watch, but that’s not a proper response. Hockey shouldn’t be owned by the 1%, it’s the people’s game, not Bell’s. These guys had chubbies at the press conference talking about platforms and synergies, nobody said Darryl Sittler once.

        ———————————
        How about it NHL? No fighting, just hockey?

        http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Sorry, I got off topic there Jim, but I think handing the Leafs to these collusion artists to fix HNIC would be an example of the cure being worse than the disease.

        ———————————
        How about it NHL? No fighting, just hockey?

        http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

        • Jim Edson says:

          Normand, it’s pretty clear that BCE and Rogers will take a serious runs at the CBC’s contract with the NHL and unlike the CBC they each have the budget to outbid the people’s network!

          ———————————————————————-
          What does the Commissioner of the NHL do?

          In short, a league commissioner is the action man for the Board of Governors.

          They tell him what they want done and he works to make it happen through his subordinates while making sure that individual franchises play by the rules.

          ******** Translated if you haven’t won the Stanley Cup in 40 years your NHL team is becoming irrelevant in a sports mad city long behind MLB, NFL and NBA teams, you just tell the commissioner(who you gave a new contract at 7 plus million per) to make it happen and the rules are bent sufficiently to action the command.

  34. 24 Cups says:

    Jack Todd’s article is spot on. I’m glad somebody has the guts to speak up and call this trade for what it really is – an act of desperation.

    • malmn says:

      Let’s just say it’s an act of desperation…Who friggin’ cares? Our team is now better than it was before the trade.

      GO HABS GO!!!

      • 24 Cups says:

        Maybe it’s because after four years of desperate moves a person gets a little tired of it all.

        There are really two issues to consider here – why the team’s back was against the wall, hence the trade, and the return that came in that trade.

        Fans who lurch from game to game or week to week sometimes lose sight of where the team is really headed.

        It’s not totally all about Kaberle, but rather the panic and desperation taken to once again somehow squeak into the playoffs.

    • V says:

      Ha. Ha. Good one.

    • gmur says:

      Funny… before last trade deadline Kaberle was seen by many as a potential – albeit temporary – replacement for Markov heading down the homestretch… and Spacek was often seen as a liability who didn’t hit and couldn’t get a puck on net. A Spacek-Kaberle trade would have been celebrated. Now, Spacek is being mourned and Kaberle is being lapidated… As I said earlier, check out Don Cherry for more sound hockey insight.

      • Lawrencetown Liquor Pigs says:

        I’m thinking that many of us (myself included) didn’t want him last year either, for the same reasons. Last year we would have sold the farm to get him, this year we sold future considerations for him. Doesn’t make sense, especially as a stop gap.

        I hope I’m wrong, I want to be wrong.
        ____________________________________________________
        They lost me 2 quarts of rum, better make it up next year with a cup!

    • habs178 says:

      Did you see the same PP on Saturday? Did you watch the game? Pretty sure we’ve been waiting since October to see a PP exectued that well.

      “How would you like a job where, every time you make a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?”
      ~Jacques Plante

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      Jack Todd would rip Gauthier if he wore the wrong tie and plenty of people have panned this trade already for it being that of a GM looking to solve his back-end issues and a stagnant PP. Todd isn’t being bold, he’s jumping on a popular bandwagon.

      Granted, if Kaberle keeps consistency over the next 20 games, we’ll start to eat our words. Gauthier hasn’t done too badly with picking up the guys who always loved Montreal of late (see Erik Cole). I hate the salary cap implications of Kaberle (Gorges contract at risk) but I decided to get by my typical knee-jerk reactions on a trade I don’t like and wait for a decent sample size.

      - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

      • 24 Cups says:

        Robert – In terms of Erik Cole’s love for Montreal, one of the Gazette writers posted an interesting article when the deal was signed. He stated that Cole was already to re-sign in Carolina when all of a sudden PG upped the coin and gave another year of term. Bingo, the love of the CH for another 6M.

        The only other team interested in Cammy at 6M was Toronto. Nobody was going to give Gionta 25M after his career had stalled. Hamrlik and Spacek got the extra year in their contracts because that’s the only way we could sign them.

        Most free agents follow their pocketbooks, not their hearts.

        • SeriousFan09 says:

          Aware, but the team still recruited players who liked MTL for personal/professional reasons, there are examples of teams signing players who were purely for cash and it backfired (We’re carrying one of those contracts already) as they left markets where they’d seen their best success or had passion for the game.

          A player liking where he is can factor a lot in to him living up to his contract (not always, but it does factor at times). See Ryan Smyth’s season in EDM compared to anywhere he’s been outside of EDM since then. Did Tomas Kaberle forget how to QB a power play in Boston, or was it because his heart belonged in Toronto, or perhaps he didn’t like playing on a team populated by frankly, obnoxious a-holes. Olli Jokinen’s greatest moments were in Florida where barely anyone knew about the team or watched the games, under a hockey market’s scrutiny he has not fared nearly as well.

          - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
          SF09 on Twitter

          • HabFanSince72 says:

            Tomas Kaberle had the most powerplay points of any Bruin during the playoffs (including forwards and defencemen).

      • Hab-Q says:

        Kaberle’s cap hit is not an issue going forward.
        Gill and Campoli are off the books next year.
        He’s good insurance if Markov can’t go, and if he can’t, Kab and Weber are the only D you have signed for next year so there’s money for Gorges.

        ______________________________________________________
        “I went to a fight the other night and a hockey game broke out”

        ~Rodney Dangerfield

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        OK I’m confused – it’s bad to make a trade to solve your back-end issues and a stagnant PP?

    • dallyd31 says:

      Jack Todd is and always has been nothing but a bitter ignorant fool.

      And like I have said 10 times, anyone who assess this trade before actually giving Kaberle a 15 game audition is just as big a fool. How can anyone call this a win or fail before Kaberle has even played a game. Utter foolishness. It may be a disaster, it may be a coup. But nobody has a clue…me included.
      He had a good first game. If he continues to play like that, is he still a bust ?
      He had 47 points last year ( more than Cammy and waaay more than Subban). We could sure use a 47 point defenseman on this team. If he does that again I will be very happy.
      How about we all do what sensible people do…wait and see.

    • Ali says:

      How dare you. One game in (when teams have had no chance to scout our new PP and make adjustments) and you dare question the genius of Mr. Gauthier? You sir are unreasonable and are prone to rush to judgement.

    • G-Man says:

      Wow, Steve. Just….wow.

  35. LafleurFan says:

    For those not casting their gazes westward, the Minnesota Wild lead, are 3pts. up on Chicago (both played 29 games) and 4 pts. up on the sublime Red Wings (1 game in hand, Detroit)!

    “May you live in interesting times.”

  36. gmur says:

    Anyone who reads Jack Todd for anything other than a dose of aggressive editorial writing that is often non-substantive and outdated should also watch Don Cherry for subtly-crafted, insightful, pertinent hockey analysis.

  37. V says:

    When I clicked the link to the Jack Todd article, I thought to myself, ‘why are you doing this – it’s like watching a car accident. There are much better things to do and you already know what this sad, bitter man has to say.’

    I was stupid and clicked anyway. Now I feel dirty and stupid. I swear, that is the last time.

  38. habs03 says:

    All I hear is this sucks, he sucks, without anyone given any proof or example.

    We have a guy that writes that PK has been playing bad, and JM and PG are ruining him, yet another poster points out that PK plays about 25Min a guy and is a plus 4 after starting slow.

    We have a guy saying our team our forwards aren’t scoring but forget the fact that we are top 10 in the league in 5on5 play.

    The ONLY reason we are not a top 10 team in the league right now is our PP, we have 14 PP goals so far this year while last year, we had 34 at this point.

    With everyone health, Kaberle for 4.25 M as a 5th D-men on a 64M Cap, is fine by me. He isn’t great 5-5 but playing him vs other 3rd-4th line should be just fine.

  39. habs178 says:

    Well, I just got to watch Saturday’s game on the good ol DVR, due to having to wait until the wife is not around to enjoy the games.

    Although I knew the outcome, I had to watch Kaberle in his first game. What a difference our PP was! It was brought to life, seriously!

    I’m excited/hoping that this will continue, bringing more goals on the PP and thus more wins. I’m definitely all for seeing what the guy can bring, before trashing the trade.

    “How would you like a job where, every time you make a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?”
    ~Jacques Plante

  40. TommyB says:

    Ah, the weekend has passed, the Habs won a game on the road after 2 losses at home. Everything is rosy again isn’t it. Pierre Gauthier is a genius, Kaberle is the saviour, and start planning the parade.

    Such is the way the pendulum swings at HIO. My first thoughts on the Spacek trade were that it was basically a lateral move, and that Kaberle wasn’t anywhere near as bad as some posters here were making him out to be last Friday. Today, my thoughts are still the same. I haven’t raised him to god-like stature, however I am glad he was able to contribute immediatley on the powerplay. Certainly that was needed, and I think he can help out in that respect on an ongoing basis. But…Gauthier a genius for picking him up? Seriously, he had to do something, and playing the shell game with two veteran Dmen was no big deal. Especially considering that Carolina admittedly just wanted to dump Kaberle’s salary. The deal seemed to pay off for both clubs right away, and from my perspective, I hope Kaberle can continue his inital success. I think we got a better player in the deal, but there is work yet to be done with this club. Let’s see this team put a winning streak together, then we can maybe talk about genius and season-saving trades.

  41. Say Ash says:

    OT: My boss went on a tour of Rogers Arena over the weekend.

    This was on the whiteboard in the Canucks’ workout room…

  42. LafleurFan says:

    Sounds like many HIO posters want to trade Jack Todd for Carolina’s Chip Alexander; but I think to pull this one off, you have to throw in some La Presse reporters.

    “May you live in interesting times.”

  43. 4m3y2j says:

    HabsFanSince 72

    Well said,you hit a nail on the head regarding the fans.
    I myself have found myself overreacting on occasion.
    However I do believe that JM is not the right coach for us but a little levity would not hurt any of us.
    All the parts are there however a little more size on the #2-3 lines would not hurt,clearly DD,Cole and Max Pac have chemistry,hopefully JM won’t panic and tinker w/ that at the first sign of trouble…

  44. Bash says:

    We have had crappy cards since the beginning of the season. And now half way through the game, and perhaps in desperation we are making a move. Kabby opens the door to a set. And the ace is still in the deck and might show on the turn which gives us a full house!

    But we limped in against the Bwoons chip leader and now others have shown some strength. What to do?? Well we have to raise of course!

    Trade Weber and Campoli with a pick or prospect for a fit on Eller’s line.

    Or…go all in! Package Cammy or Gionta with the above for a stud winger and a big #5/6/7 D.

    Now “If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.” (anon)

    • Lawrencetown Liquor Pigs says:

      Throw money at the pot hoping we catch a card on the river? Too rich for my blood. We have a decent stack, lets save it for next hand.

      ____________________________________________________
      They lost me 2 quarts of rum, better make it up next year with a cup!

      • Bash says:

        It’s win it all and get the bracelet or finish in mediocrity. Markov is the ace and with or two additons we might have a chance.

        “If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.” (anon)

  45. HABitat4humanity says:

    PG & JM still need to be let go.

    The Kaberle move was a good one but we already knew that. Spacek although is good on D doesnt have the skillset of Kaberle and is a fragile player.

    JM doesnt have the ability to light a fire under the azz of all the non-prodcuers. He wont bench certain players and cant get the 3rd & fourth liners to produce.

    Unfortunately although the Kaberle trade was a good move, it probably will buy PG more time and ultimately will hurt the habs in the end.

  46. HabFanSince72 says:

    Reading this site for the last week makes me wonder what a fan is? Is it a synonym for “supporter”, i.e. someone who has a certain affection for the team and it’s players, and an emotional stake in their success? It certainly doesn’t seem that way for some.

    I get the impression that about 80% of the people here are just cheering for the logo. Their support is a kind of brand loyalty, which would make Pierre Boivin happy I guess. But there seems to be a real antipathy toward the people who make up the team.

    When a player has a slump he’s immediate trade bait.

    When the other team wins on the shootout the coach is a moron.

    When the team loses, scapegoat(s) are identified, and become the focus of an irrational anger (usually the coach).

    My favourite: when Price saved the game on Saturday it wasn’t really a good play, it’s just that Parise flubbed his penalty shot (which is clearly not the case – Price had the top part of the net covered too).

    Kierkegaard said that loving your neighbor as you love yourself was OK advice, except for those who hate themselves.

    • LafleurFan says:

      Sober insights which isn’t always the case on this site. Intellectual and emotional operating systems are different. It’s intriguing and entertaining to analyze fellow fans’ motives (emotional vs. intellectual) when reading their posts.

      Enjoyed a post yesterday that recalled the skilful actions of PG last year in acquiring Sopel and Mara last year which gave the team a fighting chance to even make the playoffs. Putting aside the salaries involved, I would take Kaberle over Sopel AND Mara, and I liked those guys!

      “May you live in interesting times.”

    • ed lopaz says:

      price did not have the top part of the net covered – he had stuck out his left pad and Parise puts that puck over that pad 9.5 times out of 10.

      the rest of your post, as usual, is intelligent and worth reading.

  47. SeriousFan09 says:

    Jack Todd ripped the Canadiens Front Office? Inconceivable!

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
    SF09 on Twitter

  48. montreal ace says:

    Player for player, no matter where we sit in the standings, I do that trade everyday of the week and twice on sundays, when possible. I have not read Todd very much in the past few years, and after his article I will go back to the norm again. The worst part of his piece, is when he says PG and JM are bitter about PK and his progression, the statement is hateful, and as far as I am concerned without reason.

  49. G-Man says:

    You know, if a Todd article was an F1 race, HH would reply to this! ;)

  50. JoaquindaPark says:

    Now that we’ve all crucified Mr. Gauthier, will anyone dare shed some doubt on Mr. Rutherford’s total revolving door opinion about Kaberle. How can you sign a guy for $4M for 3 years, and, inside of two months
    , get rid of him. Should a GM not expect a certain laisser-aller from a Stanley Cup winner? Look at the rest of the Bruins. They stunk it up for the first 10 games too. Ciarelli didn’t fire anyone and things turned around. Sould maybe someone look at Rutherford and have as much patience as he just displayed?

  51. adam76 says:

    The next game against the islanders – will define this team. Bold prediction time – if the habs win, they will squeek into the playoffs.

    Math is fun:

    http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL/Eastern/Northeast/Montreal.html

  52. VancouverHab says:

    I am on record as adoring Spacek as a Hab (blue-collar player, positive attitude, funny interviews, fist-bumped the mastcot kids, etc) and I posted my misery at the trade.

    But “Spacek = truckload of sandpaper” is proof of what I am also on record as stating: Jack Todd does not actually watch most Hab games, and those rare few only inattentively. My guess is that he actually believes that he is a “literary artist” and “intellectual” forced to slum for his bread in the sport section.

    • rhino514 says:

      That´s precisely it. He doesn´t write like a sports lover. He write like a wannabe intellectual. He was switched over to sports when somebody left, forget who it was…Farber?
      “Truckload of sandpaper for a bowl of ice cream”…i never saw such an obtuse statement regarding the two players alluded to. Hyperbole bigtime. Spacek is lovable but the farthest thing from sandpaper you can imagine. Kaberle was an allstar for how many years? He´s an offensice defenseman with some defensive holes, not his fault, that´s just the way his game is. He´s soft because he didn´t blend in with the bruins right away, and was a minus player like everone else in Carolina?

  53. Curtis O Habs says:

    “… a truckload of sandpaper…”, in Spacek. Really? What have you been smoking, Jack?

    • hoffska says:

      Seriously Jack Todd??? You write that about Spacek.
      He must be referring to very very fine grain sandpaper?
      Even then that makes me laugh.
      Where do we get whatever he is smoking?

  54. malmn says:

    Acquiring Kaberle is the smartest thing the Canadiens have done since signing Erik Cole. Kaberle is exactly what the Habs need. Our team is better today than it was last Thursday. Good job Pierre Gauthier.

    GO HABS GO!!!

    • CanadienBoy says:

      Souray will have been a better move and cheaper but considering the situation do or die for GM will see ,if Carolina GM can trade a free agent after 2 month may be the time to trade ours will finally come .

    • Kooch7800 says:

      I will wait to reserve judgement on this long term as I wasn’t a fan of the deal. I like what Kabby brings but like what more people are scared of is the long term effect on the team. We need to move some of our defense for some more sandpaper up front.
      I would also like to make sure that Emelin stays in the line up over someone like Campoli who really is the same type of D man as Diaz.
      Will be interesting to see what PG does

  55. montrealtilldeath says:

    Not what we need. Nice puck movement but no D. Mr. Softy on the NJ goal and a definite no hitter. We have plenty of those. Pathetic little poke check. Watched him very carefully. Will be on the ice for a lot of goals against 5 on 5. He has actually gotten worse since he came into the league. As for PK you can see they have stepped on his natural creativity. He is afraid to rush and looks like one of those dogs with the zapper collar on if they cross an invisible line. Bobby Orr would get stripped once and a while but no one told him to stop. Wrong coach as Mike Peca said. You let a player like PK run then slowly reel him in after he establishes his game. I saw some one comment about Giroux over PK. Just offer PK in a one on one trade for him and see how fast they would take it before you changed your mind.

  56. Rugger says:

    I do not believe Mr. Todd actually exists – it is a computer program that searches for the most negative posts on HI/O and then randomly selects sentences from them to create the column.

  57. Neutral says:

    Even if Kaberle don’t produce every game – He’s no worse than what we already have – That’s not to put any of our “D” down – They’re not all the problem – We have a lot of money tied up on the front end that’s not producing like they should that’s where our problem lies – the top 9 is not consistant – we have to fix that to become a playoff contender….

    • Kooch7800 says:

      we also have way too many d men. Markov sitting on the shelf has caused the major problems on our back end. They have been trying to plug holes all season. hence the campoli and Kabby additions. two players we wouldn’t have needed if Markov was healthy. that is an extra 6 million in cap space wasted.

      I hope Markov can come back or it really would have been a huge blunder by PG.

  58. HabFanSince72 says:

    Forgetting Todd’s argument for a minute, is this

    “What was Pierre Gauthier smoking when he pulled the trigger on this one – and where can we get some?

    good writing? How much effort does it take to type out lazy cliché after lazy cliché?

  59. JF says:

    The only valid point Jack Todd makes is the question mark which must still hang over Markov’s return. Would Gauthier have taken on Kaberle’s contract if he really thought Markov would be back in a few weeks? Otherwise the article is pure vitriol. Kaberle has played one game and has brought life to our moribund powerplay. Let’s give the guy a chance before we make any judgment. He was very good for years as a Leaf and, despite all the criticism of his play with Boston, he did get 11 points in the playoffs. As for Carolina, they’re a bad team this year and it’s quite possible that, as seemed to be the case with all the Stanley Cup finalists, losers as well as winners, Kaberle suffered a kind of hangover. He himself says he is in better shape now than he was at the beginning of the season. Let’s have a bit of patience. But in Markov’s case, it’s certainly reasonable to have serious doubts.

    • malmn says:

      “Would Gauthier have taken on Kaberle’s contract if he really thought Markov would be back in a few weeks? ”

      Probably not, and that would have been a shame. Our D will be quite good (and deep) when Markov comes back.

      Markov – Gorges
      Kaberle – Emelin
      PK – Gill

      Campoli
      Diaz
      Weber
      St-Denis

      GO HABS GO!!!

  60. rhino514 says:

    I really dislike the way Jack Todd writes. It just leaves a bad taste in my mouth every time i read one of his articles.
    I think if you have decided you just want to be controversial as a writer and write vitriolic in every sentence, you better be right with most of your slams. Do you remember how he slammed the organization following the Halak trade, saying they had made a terrible mistake? He constantly attacks people and lets his own morality seep into his articles enough to actually frame them, which a good writer doesn´t do. His attitude just seems to be one of holier-than-though.

    • DadidolizedDougHarvey says:

      Agreed.

    • Lawrencetown Liquor Pigs says:

      I don’t often read his columns, but it strikes me that he is following the American talk radio model, by which he decides “you’re either with me or against me, there are no passengers”.

      If it keeps 170 million Americans interested why not give it a shot I guess????

      ____________________________________________________
      They lost me 2 quarts of rum, better make it up next year with a cup!

    • The Cat says:

      I can understand the slams following the Halak trade, it was a tough one to swallow to see the guy that had captured the imagination of the fans shipped like that. Jaro united everybody and unless one was a very disagreeable person, everyone got behind him.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

      • Storm Man says:

        LOL… Yah what a bad trade. H-word is the back up on the Blues making 3.5 but don’t worry you can watch him in the KHL in 2 years.

        • The Cat says:

          Well until Price equals Halak in the playoffs, what does that say about Price? Price is good but hes not above the fray. Just cause hab fans continuously repeat that Price is in the top 5 goalies in the NHL doesnt mean its true. Plus how many goalies have Hal Gill goaltending for them also lol

          [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

          • malmn says:

            “Well until Price equals Halak in the playoffs, what does that say about Price? ”

            LOL! Another laugher. Man, people love to argue just for the sake of arguing.

            GO HABS GO!!!

          • montrealtilldeath says:

            Nonsense. Montreal lost to Boston who eventually won the cup. 3 overtimes. We would have won but JM (Mr careful) panicked in game 4 when we were up 3 to 1. He sat Eller in the 3rd period because of faceoffs capability. We see him do this BS all the time. My question is to JM “if you are shoving them out of the rink why change (Toe Blake)?” He did not see that the Bruins were having a very hard time containing Eller in that series. The puck was always in the Bruins end when he was on the ice which is ultimately the best defensive posture.. I wondered why there was such a dramatic 3rd period shift to the play being mainly in the Habs end then I realized Eller was being sat. The Bruins are too big on the forecheck and we lose every time to them if there is that much of the game in our own end. That was the turn around game. Habs win game 4 its over.

            ens-back-at-work?replytocom=554309#respond

    • Nojo says:

      I love reading Todd’s articles. He rarely leaves one feeling indifferent after having read a piece of his work. And I think we’d agree that this is why the Gazette has hired him.
      His writing is a change of pace from the typical, an everyman emotional point of view.

      You cannot spend your way out of recession or borrow your way out of debt

  61. The Cat says:

    Jack Todd is really going out on a limb and risks perhaps looking like a fool, its only one game Kaberle has played!

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  62. Habsrule1 says:

    Oh…My….God.

    HardHabits is Jack Todd!!!!

    Go Habs Go!!

    “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock


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