Audio from Tuesday practice

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After a day off following their win over the Rangers, your Montreal Canadiens returned to the practice ice in Brossard Tuesday morning to prepare their first game of the season against the Washington Capitals.
Ryan White won’t play Wednesday but is getting closer.

Travis Moen and Tomas Plekanec are practicing after sustaining knacks against the Rangers Sunday night.

Lines: Gomez-Nokelainen-Darche, Cole-Desharnais-Pacioretty, Blunden-Plekanec-Bourque, Kostitsyn-Eller-Moen.

D pairings: Kaberle-Campoli, Diaz-Emelin, Gill-Weber, Gorges-Subban

AUDIO: Rene Bourque | Ryan White | Mike Blunden | Randy Cunneyworth

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Some good reading: Gare Joyce on the decline of the Canadiens and a literate blogger who takes issue

• Pat Hickey on Rene Bourque’s debut

François Gagnon talks to Jacques Martin

Pierre Ladouceur’s weekly report card

• Cam Cole: Crosby will never be the same

Jets shut out Ottawa in their own barn

• Jaro gets shutout, Blues unbeaten this year

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  1. aj says:

    What is this rumor that Luc Gelinas is saying that Gauthier flew to New Jersey? If that is true, is he going to make a serious trade (maybe or just another date w/ the GM Lou Lamoriello)?

    Who then? AK or/with Moen for probably Parise + a draft pick? Or what?

    I would gladly make a trade for Gomez with Gionta for Parise. NJ can keep their ol’ E-G-G line to give them success. Elias seems to be missing those two guys since back in the day.

  2. GenerationYHabs says:

    Jm on l’antichambre for anyone that didnt know.

  3. PureGuava says:

    Wow – Folino pummeled Phaneuf.

    “I think he’s had Phaneuf”

  4. HardHabits says:

    People looking at games hoping teams lose to help the Habs move up is loser talk. If the Habs want the play-offs they have to earn them with wins, not hope for other teams to lose.

    • Gerry H says:

      Says the guy who wants the Habs to lose?

      Spare me.

      • Bill says:

        If you knew HH, you’d know he doesn’t really want the Habs to lose. He just can’t handle the pain.

        Full Breezer 4 Life

        • HardHabits says:

          Bill. I have prepared for this already. I am taking it quite well. Heck finish 20th for all I care. Make the play-offs and lose in the 1st round. Lottery pick. Cup win. Bring it on. I have lived it all. It’s just that things like #1 picks and Stanley Cup victories seem like they were in another lifetime and that they might never happen with whatever time I have left. And I am not being melodramatic. I have lost complete faith in this organization. They have been doing the same thing for too long and it isn’t working.

          The Habs benefited greatly from Quebec and subsequently Montreal’s economic revival under Charest and Gillette;s brilliant handling of the club. The Habs hit nice pinnacles in the last 5 years.

          They have the parts to repeat. But not this year. Why not sell at the deadline? Look at how well Ottawa is doing. Philadelphia and Boston have used this method to great success.

          I am moving away from Tanking as per the Capitals, Hawks and Pens, do not think the Red Wing or Serge Savard Habs of the 80′s way is plausible as it takes great patience and luckier late round drafting. I like the middle road. The occasional Tank. Good trades. Players for picks. Prospects for better players. Build around a concept. Size and grit, speed and skill. Draft well in later rounds too, but nothing beats having a high pick for a 1st line forward that develops and evolves in a team’s system.

          By hook or by crook.

      • HardHabits says:

        I never ever said I wanted the Habs to lose.

        I want them to rebuild. I want them to contend.

        It has to do with the fact that Habs are never sellers. Since the Habs last won the Cup their average is 16th over-all. They finished top 10 once in that span.

        Spare yourself.

        Let me get this clear. I want the Habs to win… THE STANLEY CUP!

        And yes I want them to rebuild even if it means outside the play-offs if need be, even if it means not bringing up youngsters too early, even if it means finishing in the draft lottery once in a while.

        Top 5 teams win the Cup. That is the trend. That is the stat that is more important than Fenwick and Corsi. A back door team may win the Cup one day. It will be an aberration if it ever happens. An anomaly. Something rarely to be repeated as the trend will likely move back to top 5 (or 10) teams going all the way as has been the case since the Conference format was introduced.

    • zorro says:

      Habs can do it on their own merit.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Your right we can’t hope for them to lose we need them too. Currently those teams are ahead of the Habs, in order for habs to get ahead habs have to win and they have to lose, simple math, re read your post HH, u are starting to “dare I say” outthink yourself.

  5. Adidess says:

    Agreed Trisomy, the Habs need the hottest winning streak in the league in the second half to make the playoffs.
    If they don’t make it, the Lightning likely won’t be the team between them and 8th place.

    • HardHabits says:

      Lightning winning just means the Habs have to win to not fall behind them.

      • Adidess says:

        The point is where the Habs are now, they need to keep winning period. We’re talking double digit winning streak. Keeping pace with the Lightning, currently being them, isn’t even a consideration. It’s the very least you would expect for a team in this predicament who wants to make it to the dance.

  6. HardHabits says:

    I am diametrically opposed to the Habs trading Subban or Price. However if either gets a ridiculous offer sheet than by all means take the picks.

    • CanadienBoy says:

      Anybody than keep posting on this subject need to stop at that grey building on sherbrooke st.

    • PureGuava says:

      Nobody is giving those clowns an offer sheet.

      c’mon.

    • Bill J says:

      The only risk we run though, is getting 5 consecutive 30th draft picks… Maybe the odd 20-29th if both go.

      Yes the Habs would sink and get good picks, but probably not #1 picks.

      Is that really your wish ? Getting low 1st round picks ? Because the teams landing either of above will have better talent to surround each of them, making the picks not as valuable.

      Just my two cents, you’re not crazy for having your own two cents.


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      • HardHabits says:

        It would be highly unlikely that it would be 5 consecutive 30th draft picks. Are you expecting Price or Subban to lead a team to 5 Cup wins?

        If it happens the Habs would have to assess the team making the offer whether to match. They might get scalded either way. Probably a good reason to lock them up now and if a good offer comes like what Philly pulled off then pull the plug then.

        It is just hypothetical. I think the Habs would be better served building around them but not if they get crazy and crippling contracts. Neither has earned it. If somebody wants to gamble I think matching isn’t a given and the picks at the very least should be considered.

        • Bill J says:

          Well I will certainly grant you that every decision depends on the circumstances… And you’re not wrong to throw it out there. But in my humble opinion, it is a borderline last resort to wait for offer sheets to be served.

          btw, I was generalizing with the 30th pick, but I could see several low picks, that was ultimately my point…

          Price in Chicago ? Subban in Philly ? Not a good picture for me, and that’s just two examples that do not help the Habs win anything for at least 5 more years…


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          • HardHabits says:

            Not if Toews and Couturier are going the other way. :-)

          • Bill J says:

            Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm lol. Again depends on circumstances, but I would love that! And I’m a Pricebot ;) right ? lol


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    • otter649 says:

      Why bring it up it’s not going to happen (trade) – If Dougherty in LA did not get an offer sheet then Price & Subban won’t unless you want to be first in line with I told you so…..

  7. Mattyleg says:

    Dominic Moore just scored for TB
    I wish etc.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  8. Rickly33 says:

    I’d rather see zack p.

  9. Bill says:

    How quickly people forget. Subban had one of the most impressive rookie seasons in recent Habs memory. He’s having a not-unusual sophomore slump (still playing decent though). And this is when people want to trade him??

    Buy low. Sell high. But most of all, keep players like Subban, they don’t grow on trees.

    Everyone complains about the Habs drafting, then when they get a gem, people want to trade him. Bizarro World.

    Full Breezer 4 Life

    • mb says:

      Agree. As soon as a player is having a slump, it’s always the same thing.

      If it was of this fanbase, Carey Price would have been traded a couple of years ago. Luckily, he wasn’t.

      Now, people would trade PK in a package deal for barely anything. This player will be a great d-man someday, and I just hope that when this day comes, he’s gonna wear a Habs jersey.

    • TheMock780 says:

      It’s also typical of this management regime, they don’t allow young players to go through growing pains they need to be stars immediately to make people happy.

      I wasn’t alive back in the 70′s but whenever the Habs or there fans do this to a young player (PK now and Price before him) my dad likes to talk about how it took Guy LaFleur a couple of years to really settle into the NHL and hit his stride. He wouldn’t be given the time to develop today unfortunately

    • habfanacrossthed says:

      You think he’s a future norris trophy winner. Montreal does this time and time again. Draft a gem and trade them away (Halak), (McDonagh), now it’s (PK), or (Pleks). Part of tanking is throwing in the towel right. PG will trade away a good young talent in PK, Bealieu, or Tinordi. He’ll offer Price the world just to keep him here. It’s to bad but CP should get 5-6.25 million a year for a maximum of 8 (at the most).

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  10. HardHabits says:

    Holy ****. Boucher putting out 5 forwards on the PP and Boston scores short handed.

    Almost makes me miss the System™

  11. Rickly33 says:

    Why can’t we get the French interviews translated to english? Just a question, just because you speak French don’t make a bigger fan than me!

  12. hehe, OK how about this. I bring my Price gamer, and you can wear it for the night. …..don’t be silly, I wouldn’t do that. But we can all wear Matty’s jersey.

    Hurley’s Pub that Saturday afternoon. I’ll reserve the corner for us :)

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  13. habfanacrossthed says:

    AK, PK, and GOMEZ, Weber pick for Shea Weber and Hornqvist (maybe geoffrion or watson) pick

    GHOD – Go Habs Or Die

    • j0nHABS says:

      I hate hornqvist, he’s a bum

      • habfanacrossthed says:

        It’s obvious PG isn’t done shopping. AK will be dealt, he can go after a Parise come free agency time makes more sense. PG will deal AK, Nash would love to reunite the brothers! I would take Suter from Nashville but UFA don’t trade a 1st away to get him.

        GHOD – Go Habs Or Die

  14. kerrgte says:

    3 teams within Canadiens striking distance, Leafs, Capitals and Jets all lost tonite.

    There is a glimmer of hope at the edge of the tundra.

  15. habfanacrossthed says:

    Weber, Moen and a Pick for Prust and Rupp.

    GHOD – Go Habs Or Die

  16. Mattyleg says:

    Dominic Moore just scored for TB.
    Man, I wish we had a 4-goal-scorer…

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  17. HabFanSince72 says:

    OK here’s something to worry about.

    The Habs under Gainey have a history of getting rid of “problem” players: Ribeiro, Lapierre, Latendresse, Sergei, Cammy, Bouillon (complained to the media about his injury), Tanguay, Halak (Allan Walsh) and even Saku to a certain extent.

    What if they are starting to think of PK as a “problem”?


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    • ZepFan2 says:

      I hope not. And I’m not alone

      http://holikonhockey.com/bobby-blog/pk-subban

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    • powdered toastmann says:

      Scary as it sounds, I wouldn’t put it past this regime in an extreme case such as if PK said the wrong thing to the press. Hopefully common sense would prevail i.e. he’s still young/just in his sophomore year. Although you could have said that re Sergei…but I think PK has the potential to be in another player class. ie higher level than SK could ever attain…Hence, hopefully common sense would prevail.

    • VancouverHab says:

      I’m glad –extremely glad — that we got rid of all those players: except maybe Cammi whom I liked, but still glad id (a.) he was a source of conflict and (b.) Bourque works out.

      That list makes me feel good about our management culture long-term.

  18. jon514 says:

    Kesler spoke out against his coach. Trade him to Montreal please!

    “Let’s be clear on the facts…”

  19. The Dude says:

    If we could who would go for a Gomez for Avery swap?”being Avery’s so loved around here…

  20. naweed235 says:

    with all this talks of PK being shopped today and that PG was attending the Winipeg game… Would you trade PK straight up for E. Kane?

    • powdered toastmann says:

      I’m one to cut PK some slack and I think he shows a lot of promise (if teamed with the right mentor)…especially if that mentor was a reliable, steady, large, tough stay at homer.

      That said, my answer would be yes. (but reluctantly)

      • naweed235 says:

        I agree there with you… In my opinion, his attitude aside, he is probably one of the few irreplaceable players on this roster…even though everybody is ranting on him for what ever stupid reason it may be, they fail to realize the fact that he is leading all D on the team in pts and is the only one other than gorges that is not in the minus category ( +/-) …. He is having a typical sophomore year slump just like others … Myers comes to mind….
        But in my opinion and I am probably biased but even thought Kane was a 4th overall pick I would still ask for atleast a 2nd rounder coming our way if PK was to be traded for him…

    • Rainrocket16 says:

      No but Enstrom would be nice!

    • jmsheehy19 says:

      I love PK, but yes for two reasons.

      1) Though Beaulieu is the only one that could possibly replace PK, we have a surplus of Defensive prospects, a luxury that we don’t have with our forward prospect pool.

      2) As a Georgian, I’ve seen Kane play multiple times in person. This kid is Iginla’s heir apparent.

    • Habinator says:

      Let’s get Price locked up first before we deal his buddy

  21. Chris says:

    Given the uncertainty around Crosby’s health and the tarnishing of Ovechkin’s star, it seems like a good time to ask…

    What current NHL player would YOU build around if you were given the opportunity to take anybody?

    The obvious choices are not so obvious anymore. A lot of the league’s stars are getting long in the tooth, and a lot of the younger guys we thought were going to dominate are either struggling with injuries or consistency.

    I imagine I’d have to say Jonathan Toews, but I’m lukewarm.

    • Trisomy 21 says:

      I was going to say Stamkos but actually I like your choice better.

    • Rainrocket16 says:

      I know they are young but the Kids up in Oil country aint too bad… Eberle (although Injured), Hall, and Nugent Hopkins…. such potential there!

    • LL says:

      Toews for sure. He’s got everything. He’s been overshadowed by Crosby, but a terrific all-around player.

      One of those players that would look good in Habs’ Hall of Fame one day.

    • HardHabits says:

      I wouldn’t build around any single player but around a youthful corps of intrinsic pieces. The best teams have a few franchise players.

      Players like Jonathan Toews are acquired one way only. Unless of course you are Brian Burke or Sam Pollock.

      • christophor says:

        wow. Burke and Pollock mentioned together like this.

        Just wow.

        I guess missing the playoffs for several years and yet failing to stock up young talent qualifies as legendary GM-talent.

        Rethink that one, bud.

        • ZepFan2 says:

          “wow. Burke and Pollock mentioned together like this.”

          Yup, I almost threw up after reading that.

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        • HardHabits says:

          Burke did manage to draft the Sedin twins for Vancouver and Pronger for Hartford.

          He also put together a pretty good team for the Olympics from a limited talent pool. Face it. We were all staining cotton before Crosby scored in OT.

    • jon514 says:

      I would have to say Shea Weber. He’s got the size, the defensive acumen, the booming shot. He’s the best defense man in the league, and arguably one of the best players.

      “Let’s be clear on the facts…”

      • habs-fan-84 says:

        Good choice, I thought about Weber myself.

      • Phil C says:

        +1 on Shea Weber. Franchise defenseman can play more minutes than a franchise forward and have a bigger overall impact. A guy like Weber can improve your PP and PK, he can play a shutdown role or move the puck when trailing. He can bring an element of toughness for 30 minutes a game and can handle the biggest of power forwards.

        Pietrangelo is a little smaller, but younger (21 years old). I think he will be really good as well if you wanted to take a chance on a younger guy.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Toews, Stamkos, the Sedins, Giroux, Malkin.


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      • Chris says:

        Malkin and the Sedins were my first choices. The Sedins, though, are a bit too old in my mind to build around (they are now 31), while Malkin’s knee issues are a bit worrisome. When he’s healthy, he might be the best.

        Giroux is great, but I haven’t seen enough of him yet to get him to the top. Stamkos has struggled to be consistent…he got off to a hot start last season but really faded in the second half.

        On defence, I would also consider Weber, Edler, Karlsson (he’s young, but he looks so good…just needs to improve his defensive play) or Doughty.

    • J_P says:

      Jonathan Toews is a great choice.

      My second choice would be Claude Giroux. Another dynamic talent who’s a force at both ends of the ice.

    • habs-fan-84 says:

      Jonathan Toews. He does it all, has a great attitude and has Cup winning experience, and he’s only 23. Oh yea he’s also 6’2″ lol

      I think the Detroit model has produced the most modern day success (in not building around a single individual), however I’m not sure it could ever be replicated in Montreal. Players buy into a system of taking slightly lower pay but are rewarded with playing on a consistently competitive team.

    • jmsheehy19 says:

      My answer is Toews and has been for 2 or 3 years. LOVE that kid.

  22. I’m in. I’m thinking about flying in for the last game of the season. Could be a Huet Leafs matchup all over again. Only this time we have Price.

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  23. naweed235 says:

    is anybody watching the Tor. Ott. game? a friend of mine just told me Foligno just gave Phaneuf a beating? is he exagerating?

  24. I’ve ignored Hardhabits since November when he called me a fat douchbag because I shut Timo up.

    I never read his replies here, so whatever it is that you’re talking about it’s all on that member and the other guy I have never even heard of. I’ll checkit out later. But the mods are doing a great job keeping the trolls in chek.

    Back to the Sens game, I’m watching four games right now and all are important to the Habs making the playoffs.

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    • Bill J says:

      Well it seems your cyber fan, was HH … Judging by his being mad at you for calling him a re-tard…

      The Habs losing is causing fans to be stuck in a perpetual emotional vortex, all reason and logic goes out the door.


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    • HardHabits says:

      It wasn’t Timo. You attacked Chris for no apparent reason. You ignore me by calling me out every second post. Hilarious.

  25. j0nHABS says:

    There seems to be a lot of talk on many different twitter accounts that PG and Pearn are scouting the NYR and Preds game. Rumors are that they are shopping Gomez and Subban as a package.
    Who knows if any of this is true, but could get interesting.
    Seems though that the trade rumors are all around NJ and Habs.
    Probably just a bunch of speculation and nothing to it.

  26. hab_skill says:

    Just for fun, how about this:

    Habs get: John Tavares, 4th Rounder.

    Islanders get: Pleks, Gomez, Leblanc, Weber and 2 First Rounders.

  27. PrairieHabber says:

    Not sure if it’s been mentioned but according to reporter Jesse Spector on Twitter, Gauthier and Pearn are scouting tonight’s NYR-Nash game. Let the Gomez back to NYR for McDonagh rumours begin? Hey a guy can dream…

    • TomNickle says:

      Habs have been watching Nasvhille closely for nearly a year. Rumour last season was that they were hard after Ryan Suter.

      • PrairieHabber says:

        That would be awesome but sounds like a pipe dream. The fact they’ve been trading partners helps fuel the rumours. Maybe the Preds are trying to reunite the brothers. There are a lot of good young players on that team so would be good trade partners (we won’t talk about how the last deal worked out).

        • TomNickle says:

          I would imagine that since the novice fan can figure out that the Predators have talent issues at forward, they know it too. It’s also no secret that if they do decide to address their scoring issues, they’ll need to move one of Suter or Weber due to financial restraints. I wouldn’t be surprised in the least to see the Habs and Predators make a move. I don’t think it would be Kostitsyn though. Desharnais, Gill and a prospect seems about right for Suter. I don’t even want to think about what it would take to get Weber.

          • PrairieHabber says:

            I don’t think that comes close to being enough for Suter. Weber has more flash to his game but Suter is an elite guy who does everything well. Similar game to Hamhuis only a little more offensive skill. I’m a fan of DD’s but I don’t see a deal involving a tiny forward, UFA slow PK d-man and a pick getting that deal done.

          • Chris says:

            A prospect, a soon-to-be 37 year old UFA and a 7th or 8th defenceman for the rights to one of the more highly-regarded defencemen in the NHL?

            It’s possible, but I would be VERY surprised if that was all Nashville could get for Suter, even if he is a pending UFA himself. One of the teams loading for the playoffs (Ottawa?) could offer a much better package than that, I would think.

          • Phil C says:

            I think you are right about Nashville having to move one of them. But it’s hard to figure out what Suter is worth in a trade because he will be a UFA and is essentially a rental. Unless you have an agreement that he will sign now, why not wait until he is a UFA? Trading for him now is only throwing away assets unless your are loading up for a cup run, in which case giving up roster players makes no sense. Maybe they could do a deal with conditional draft picks and future considerations (i.e. prospects) if he signs.

      • boonie says:

        Scouting Rinne, To make a case against Price in arbitration.

  28. Added surprise, the Caps are tanking. Ovechkin 2.0

    Could be good for the Habs tomorrow night.

    Jets are losing.

    and the Leafs and Pens are still in coin toss mode.

    GAME ON!

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  29. Sean Bonjovi says:

    What happens if PG flips Kaberle for a defenceman like Anton Volchenkov? Not necessarily Volchenkov himself, but a large, defence-first defenceman like that. Would PG get a statue out in front of the Bell Centre?

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  30. HABZ24 says:

    now rumours pk on block bloody hope not the kids got raw talent ya hes a bit of a punk but price took a few yrs to mature pk needs time to mature grow up calm down do not give up on him habs

    • j0nHABS says:

      I have heard this rumor as well but I have a hard time believing that it is true. PG would be raving mad to consider it even if he is having a rough season. He wouldn’t be the first 2nd year player to have a slump. I do believe that he will be solid for years to come!

    • habstrinifan says:

      Please get PG away from New Jersey and crafty Lou A.S.A.P

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Maybe he is going to pull the wool over that “rookie” GM’s eyes from Wpg.?

        • Bripro says:

          Ha!
          You don’t really think PG can outsmart another GM, do you?
          I have my doubts.

          Hey Gerry, I picked up two sets of tickets today, one for tomorrow
          and one on Feb 21st against Dallas.
          I had to give the Caps’ tickets to a customer :( , but I’m hoping to hang onto the other set. I hope they’re on a roll by then.

      • otter649 says:

        Crafty Lou ? after signing Kolvachuk to that ridiculous contract twice…….

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Normally Habs have a pretty tight lipped group when it comes to rumours. No doubt PG is out about finding what he can or can’t get buy/sell, but rarely is there a leak from the Habs side of things.

    • I can’t remember a rumour ever having any legs coming out of Montreal. If anything this organization is, they don’t eat their own, and their men are loyal until the end.

      Unlike Leafville where the rumours start in the head office to get things worked up.

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  31. newbrunswick troy says:

    wow as i look at the lines from practice i can,t help but think ….our defence sucks, but we do have a good p.k so maybe not so bad, all the same i sure would like to see a healthy Markov back!
    By the way shouldn,t he be ready soon? i thought it was a six week set back from early or mid December?

    • mb says:

      PG said he’d be back after the all-star game. Thing is, he isn’t even practicing yet.

      • Habfan10912 says:

        I am such a pessimist I keep thinking we’ll be hearing about another setback soon

        • mb says:

          I spend most of my days in the rehab domain and I hate to say this but I’m not more optimist than you are. After several surgeries on one knee, I don’t even know if he can come back at all and if he does, I’m afraid it won’t last too long.

          I love this guy, but sadly I think expecting anything at all about his return is just going to make us more disappointed at one point.

          So for now, I’d rather not get my hopes too high about him (if hopes there are), and keep hoping the rest of the team improves.

          • Trisomy 21 says:

            what exactly do you do in the rehab domain? because Wizniewski has had 3 on the same knee.

          • mb says:

            I’m not saying I know everything about knees, and I’m not saying every case is identical (Wiz is a very good example that people may recover in a great way).

            Just pointing out that a knee hurt that long, that had so many setbacks and that underwent surgeries is very likely to become way more fragile than it was before, because of many physical and biomecanical reasons. For an “average” person, it is satisfying, but for a pro hockey player who will get hit and who will use his knees a lot, it can be a big problem.

            In the case of Markov, what’s the most troubling to me are the numerous setbacks. It’s never a good thing in a rehab process, unfortunately. Surgeries are not a big issue.

            And to answer your question, I’m on the verge of getting my diploma in physical rehab and I work in a physio clinic.

          • Trisomy 21 says:

            What do you think though if he’s been keeping up with rehab and giving it lots of time? Surely these should help heal his knee at the best of the ability. I’m hopeful about Markov’s return because it’s something the Habs really need.
            Congrats in advance on the diploma

          • mb says:

            That might be a long answer, but I think it is better for me to explain than just say I’m not optimistic about his return. (Just skip the long answer if you wish)

            Short answer:
            To keep it simple, Markov was supposedly fine and started skating very early this season. First setback, goes to see his doctor in Florida. Should be fine by december. Second setback, needs arthroscopy to get rid of the remaining inflammation in his knee. Should be back after the ASG, though hasn’t skated or practiced with the team lately… ??? Possible setback, again.
            ————————————————————————
            Long answer:
            First, this is pure speculation from me, since I don’t know anything more about Markov’s knee than everyone on this board.

            What I can say, though, is that what has been released is that Markov had an arthroscopy in his knee to eliminate chronic inflammation. Like I said earlier, surgeries are not the issue. (Arthroscopy is a not exactly a surgery, anyway).

            What worries me is the fact that there was still inflammation in his knee at the first place. Swelling is normal and it’s necessary in order for the knee to heal properly. That said, if the swelling / inflammation remains for weeks, then it is abnormal and the longer it lasts, the harder it is to get rid of it and the longer the setback will be.

            If Markov was just taking more time to rehab, as you stated, I would have no problem with that. But he’s not just taking his time, he’s faced setbacks. These setbacks can really make a difference in many aspects of the knee, such as strength and stability, both primordial if a player is going to get hit or change direction a lot.
            Plus, chronic inflammation creates, logically, a chronic problem in the knee that is likely to become recurrent and come back a lot.

            Therefore, that’s why I said that if Markov comes back (I’m not saying he weill never), I’m afraid it will not be for too long since his knee is probably going to be more fragile than ever, in a sport where physical contact is not avoidable.

      • j0nHABS says:

        I have heard on Twiter, but not confirmed from a creditable source, that he has no swelling in his knee and that he should be ready to start skating in two weeks or less.

      • powdered toastmann says:

        After the All Star Game eh?…hmm…1 day, 2 weeks, 3 months, x + 1 years…that’s not being very specific. Wouldn’t hold my breath.

      • arrybai says:

        PG said after the all-star game, that could mean any month after that. maybe july?

        “A game worth playing is a game worth winning”

  32. Selkie says:

    still waiting for the firing of PG. and way better scouting, not sure if i’m alone with this but i hate hearing every year about players we missed at the draft, correct your selves and start winning i know its easier said than done but seriously were the bloody HABS! i know this seasons a wash and i hate it!!! we’ve got to get better and i don’t want to keep waiting and waiting no more exuses! get people who care and start winning and not just a good season i and or us all want a 25th 26th 27th you get the point. was it boring when they were winning in the 40′s 50′s 60′s and 70′s? i went to 3 games last year and i’m in Kitchener Ontario, this year i’m not even jealous if someone is going to a game and i’m not. HABS organisation start caring and start winning. Thank you! HABS fan for life!

    • powdered toastmann says:

      There are a few of us…agree that PG still has to go, but it looks as if Molson has taken a wait and see attitude …Hab fan all my life…Been to 1 game…the OB game…ouch… (felt bad for the kid and the way the fans treated him)

  33. mike3131 says:

    I have been reading a lot of comments today about free agency and what moves PG should make prior to the deadline. In terms of who to keep and who to sell, I say…

    Keep (for long-term sake):
    Cole, Max, DD, Eller, White Gorges, PK, Emelin, Price

    Keep for short term sake – Don’t MAKE the phone calls to trade the following; RECEIVE them:
    Moen, Kostitsyn (unless we can get 1st rd pick or CLEAR upgrade), Bourque, Gio, Markov, Diaz, Budaj

    Sell:
    Weber, Darche, Gill, Nokia

    Get the F rid of if possible:
    Gomez, Kaberle, Campoli

    Re. Plek, I don’t know about you, but if it would take Plekanec and 2 or even 3 (non-2012) first round picks for an elite centre such as Getzlaf, E. Stall, etc. I would be more than willing to pull the trigger. A problem I have with the Cammy trade, is that I saw Cammy as a potential 40 goal-scorer (when was the last time we had a 40 goal-scorer?) and his loss represents that of a first line forward and PPG playoff performer. Aside from Plecks and Cole (if then), we do not have a dangerous scoring threat on attack that opposing coaches would match their best defenders against every shift. I say we either trade Pleks and the picks for that #1 centre or make room and go get Parise (sell Gio if we can land Parise). Such would force the 2 and a half men line to be the clear-cut SECOND line. Imagine!

    Parise – Plek – Bourque… OR… Bourque – #1 centre – Gio
    Max – DD – Cole
    Moen – Eller – AK

    Then we should sign a 4th line centre. I like Gaustad. If we can’t, then keep Nokia.
    White – Gaustad/other FA centre/Nokia – Blunden

    On D, if we keep Markov and Diaz, along with the “keepers” above, I think we are just that one “experienced, physical shutdown d-man” away from being solid enough on the backend. We can find him thru free agency (Sutter would be a HUGE, Sarich, Jackman, Stuart, Gleason, etc.) or thru packaging Weber, Campoli and Kaberle. That would make us left with: Gorges, Subban, Newly acquired D, Markov, Emelin and Diaz in the top 6.

  34. j0nHABS says:

    Bourque is most likely going to have to drop the mitts next game, good thing he can handle his own.
    I am so excited for when White is back, guy has a tone of grit and heart, the forth line will be awesome!
    Who will sit though,
    My money is on Nokelainen!
    Gomez will be center again.

  35. Bill J says:

    What am I missing here, why are you & Dave bickering ?


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  36. mb says:

    So… Apparently the Habs vs Caps game is an Optimum game. Yet the tickets are sold at the same price as a regular game. Having trouble selling tickets or what?

    https://wroom.centrebell.ca/eventShopper.html?lang=fr&preFill=1&skin=can1112&wr=40237175-6e42-47f2-bdc9-9d8030384373

    • jon514 says:

      Apparently they only sold 96% of tickets so far! I congratulate the fans on making Mr. Gauthier and Mr. Molson take notice that they won’t settle for what we’ve seen thus far. We do have power, and apparently we’re exercising it!

      “Let’s be clear on the facts…”

      • mb says:

        Sarcasm?

        I know everything will be sold, as it always is. But the fact that they lowered (compared to the other optimum games) the price of the tickets, just looked a little wierd to me.

        • jon514 says:

          I actually wasn’t being sarcastic. I believe the 96% is of tickets to date. Meaning that 4% of tickets for games played, have not been sold. These are all probably Uppers, but still, that money has been left on the table. Sucking has cost Molson about 2 million dollars this year.

          “Let’s be clear on the facts…”

          • mb says:

            I think I misread your post, I thought you wrote they only sold 96% of the tickets for THAT game, so far.

            I think it’s the first time in years that the games are not sold out every night, then. Hope that will get to Molson.

        • HardHabits says:

          It’s not weird. Very few fans here in Montreal think the Habs are going to make the play-offs and many are fearful that a major (and by that I mean debilitating) trade is in the making.

          Maybe one day the Habs will be in the business of building an elite team instead of being content with a few play-off games.

          Fans are not stupid and their patience is wearing thin. I envision soon there will be the first non sell out in years. Even scalpers are hurting.

          Why? Because the Habs management have been selling snake oil for too long. Many people in Montreal (and by that I mean Habs fans) would rather a high draft pick than another futile attempt at trying to make the play-offs and missing them altogether. Most wouldn’t mind if they made them but few have any hopes that this edition will go far.

          Think of. Boston. Philadelphia. Rangers. Pittsburgh. No Halak to save them. Price probably over-worked by then if the unlikely event happens that they make it to the post season.

          I’d like nothing better than for the Habs to go on a 10 game winning streak. I don’t have such lofty expectations.

          At one point this organization needs to accept that it needs to rebuild at least once in a while in its history.

          I call it Tanking™, because face it, for the Habs, missing the play-offs and being sellers at the trade deadline is akin to Tanking™.

          • mb says:

            I never implied that Habs fans were stupid, nor ignorant. But like I posted above, I’m pretty sure that it’s the first time in a couple of years that the Bell isn’t full every night.
            I think it was sold out even during the Jan Bulis days.

            I know fans patience is wearing thin, and I understand that very well.

            My point is that I think it is weird, because the tickets still available are mostly tickets released on the monthly sale (at the half of every month). So if they went on sale on Jan. 15, it means the Habs organization realized that they were not gonna sell the tickets at an optimum price.

            What is weird in that? Well, it’s the first time that I recall Molson / owner lowering the prices of the tickets. I guess he might feel the pressure, now.

      • newbrunswick troy says:

        i agree, breaking the sellout streak would send a real shockwave through ownerships “worry meter”

  37. HardHabits says:

    It case anybody missed it apparently Jacques Martin is going to join the Antichambre crew tonight on RDS.

  38. LL says:

    Well I’ll be glued to L’Antichambre tonight. All the fired ex-coaches and Frankie Gagnon will be on with JM. You think he’ll actually say something, anything?

    Or will it be like opening Al Capone’s vault? lol

  39. ProHabs says:

    Could someone give me a link to this Cammy-Lappy-JM prank story. Thanks.

      • ProHabs says:

        Thanks MB.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        This really makes Martin look bad. Both unjust to Cammalleri and counter-productive. He really is a bad manager.

        Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

        • ProHabs says:

          What exactly did Martin do HFS72. Can you translate please. Thanks.

          • mb says:

            Copy and paste for you guys:

            mbJANUARY 17, 2012 AT 4:58 PM
            One night, after a game, JM was mad and started pointing out at players. When it came to Cammy, JM said: “Instead of coming in my office and asking for a C on your jersey, you’d better work and earn it.”
            The guys in the locker room all looked at each other, ’cause asking your coach to wear a letter on your jersey is obviously not the best thing to do on a team.

            The anecdote:
            Later that year, the whole team, along with the coaching staff, was at the restaurant on the road and they had a gift exchange. Cammy’s name was picked by Lapierre. The latter gave a nice gift to Cammy; he gave him a big letter “C”, one of those that you sew on your jersey. Everyone was laughing, even JM, except for Cammalleri himself. He was in fact so mad that he left the restaurant, claiming that what’s said between the coach and a player should stay private.

            All season long after that, guys would make fun of him on that matter. During prctices, when Cammy and Laps would get in little “fights”, Laps would constantly tell him that “it wasn’t his fault if Cammy didn’t have a C on his jersey”.

            Pretty much it.

          • Trisomy 21 says:

            Wow that’s brutal. Thanks for sharing.

      • Trisomy 21 says:

        AWW Non parle Francais!
        If anyone has a link summarizing that video in English or has the time to paraphrase that would be much appreciated.

  40. HabinBurlington says:

    Spats makes the suggestion below about putting Gionta behind the bench if indeed he is done for the rest of the season. I really like this idea, I do believe Gio is a true leader on this team, and at the risk of overplaying the absence of Cammy, I think Gionta would do a great job helping out.

    Good idea Spats!

  41. VancouverHab says:

    To all the wise people here, how does Rene Bourque compare to John Ferguson–or is there no basis for comparison?

  42. krob1000 says:

    So if Cammi wanted the C is that such a bad thing? That story explains a lot about Cammi in Montreal actually….Cammi is a proud guy and sure he is alittle egotistical that is just him but he said and did all the right things at that time and looked like he wanted to “grow up” in the hockey world. If Lapierre and BGL and Martin…who combined made less money than Cammi and were a little …check that…very jealous had issues and embarassed him like it is a wonder he stuck around that long. That is the type of stupid prank and actions on JM and Lappy’s part that break teams apart…..if it were Spacek he were teasing it would be a diff’t story as he is the type who would have laughed it off…but you can tell by Cammi’s demeanour and the way he handles himself that it would have really bothered him…..it is really quite embarassing really that things went down like that. Why in the world a coach would do something like that…and then Lappy is beyond me…I will admit it is freakin hilariious…but if I actually think about things from Cammi’s perspective after that….things make a little more sense….

    • VancouverHab says:

      Lapierre & BGL are not in Cammi’s league, I agree. I was also very glad to get rid of both of them.

      Wouldn’t Lappy’s gift of a “C” at a team Christmas meal be the type of thing that a good-spirited team would do? Like a ‘roast’ type of thing?

      • krob1000 says:

        Like I said if it were Spacek or someone…yup…it is still hilarious but I just see Cammi as being way too proud and if you think back he did not come across at all selfish before, he said all of the right things, he seemed to really crave the attention in Montreal and he was a diff’t player from the guy we had heard about before…then something changed…we all speculated he was ticked about the c thing because it really felt that way…..his demeanour seemed to change…but in retrospect I can see him being really bothered by that…and then deflecting the ridicule onward…hence Pk being Primetime,etc…it was a bad thing in general…I don;t think it helped at all and especially coming from guys who could probably clean Cammi’s clock….if they were Junior age it would be bullying…with adults it is just plain child like IMO. For those saying it was unprofessional of Cammi to want to be captain? do you want your leader to not want the job?

        • VancouverHab says:

          Agreed. Cammi wants the C he should go for it all out: that can be good leadership indeed. Can’t fault him for that. I remember the articles and interviews when he came — he loved the mystique of the Habs & was right into it.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Maybe a bad example but no one doubted that Gretzky was the best player on the Oilers, but Messier was the leader and never had to ask for it. Cammy is and was a talented player, but being talented and being a leader are two different things. Lafleur my favourite of all time, wasn’t a captain. To me Cammy just doesn’t strike me as a Captain. A Captain has to do some things which are not part of Cammy’s typical game. Having said that, when he fought Kreijci (i think) that was a great example of him doing something outside his normal game, that was impressive.

          • krob1000 says:

            I don’t think it is about being the best player….and the Cammi of the last year was in any way deserving…but if you go back in time when he was auditioning (now we know that) he was pretty damn convincing. He was an off ice work ethic and program that is unrivalled on the Habs according to what we know, he said all of the right things, he stepped up in clutch situations time and time again, for a while I remember him not being so much of a liability out there defesnively, he was pushing back physically, he was a diff’t player than we saw recently….I think he saw it as a real opportunity to change his legacy…that he had orginally left in LA and in Calgary he probably learned a lot from Iggy who reportedly lobbied for the deal back to Calgary. It makes sense and if someone like Lapierre and a coach like JM who would despise a goal scorer were to blame for our best goal scorer in a long times demise it is truly pathetic…

        • Chris says:

          The problem with Cammy is that while he might have wanted the captaincy, he wasn’t willing to lead by example.

          Cammalleri scored (and streakily, at that), but that was all he did. He did not hit, he did not backcheck, he did not block shots and he did not stick up for teammates. He also came to Montreal with a reputation, particularly from his Los Angeles days, as a selfish player.

          There was only ever going to be one “A” for Gionta, Gomez and Cammalleri in 2009-10, and Gionta was the natural choice. Gorges, Plekanec, Gill (because of his tenure in the league) and Markov were all ahead of those guys in terms of seniority, so the other 2 were going to come from that list.

          I basically question why Cammalleri thought he should have a letter. Was it simply because in his own mind that was the next step on the path (big contract, letter, then what?) for any star player?

          Cammalleri has always been a bit of a glib guy. He was definitely a good interview, but he was certainly one of the guys frequently cracking jokes at other players’ expense. If he got bent out of shape when a teammate made a joke at his expense, that basically cemented his status as an outsider for the players, and the team’s coaching staff probably didn’t have a lot of love lost for his floating when he wasn’t scoring.

          • krob1000 says:

            I would say youare describing Cammi since he did not get the C…before that I challenge the notion he palyed selfish in Montreal…I can remember us all shocked at hos much he did backcheck,andwork away from the puck back then. It is hard to defend his play after and throwing a Kovalevian tantrum (this story may bring some validity to the Kovy situation as well)…and I cannot defend his play or attitude after but when I think back to the time…some of us on ehre considered hima candidate…and his LA days are well documented but as I mentioned…Iggy wanted him back in Calgary and he probably came here wanting to rid himself of that image….I can see him not getting the captaincy…that is fine but I think if he ahd gotten it he would have been a diff’t player..whether that is good or bad..well I admit it is bad in general but I liken it to a troubled kid who smartens up and gets back on track after becoming a father..diff’t situations cause people to adapt and react and change.

            I think the coach bringing this forward was a terrible mistake and it says soemthing about the problems…for JM to do that..and then Lappy , as funny as it is…was not good and I am glad they are gone. I find it hard to believe that Cammi’s alleged teasing of Subban was not partly a result…if he was the guy being amde fun of all the time I am sure he saw a real opportunity to download it to PK….again not defening that…but merely pointing it out…things become a little more clear with this little tidbit….maybe not

          • Chris says:

            krob: I’ve been referring to Cammalleri as Montreal’s Dany Heatley since he first got here. So I was never shocked by how much he worked away from teh puck because I didn’t really see it.

            Cammalleri was great when he was on his game, but I found that more often than not, I didn’t remember seeing him throughout a game. And then I would look at a box score and see a point or two, just as I did with Heatley in his Senators days.

            I remember when a lot of people were pushing Cammalleri as captain and I was always frankly shocked. I simply did not see even a modicum of leadership in Mike Cammalleri. Guess others just saw something in him that I never did. Sort of like me and my little Higgins obsession… :)

      • habstrinifan says:

        NO! Especially after the manner in which JM used it.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      But, if you have played hockey all your life
      (referring to Cammy), you know that the Captain is usually picked by the players, and if not, and the coach has already decided it is not you, you don’t ask. A leader becomes a leader without trying, they are in essence born leaders. Just seems wrong to me, every team i played on, the players on their own figure out who the leaders are.

      • krob1000 says:

        I don’t know… all of the teams I played on until I waas 20 … it is usually the coach in most sports that either picks the captains or the candidates at least. After that I only played Rec and there are no captains…I have nothing wrong with a guy being willing to stand up and want the C in probably the most pressure packed place in the game….in fact I admire it and to me that is a sign of leadership and guts…..look at how they treated Koivu ….for Cammi to willingly welcome that to me is a plus for him…and if I remember correctly wasn’t the C “offered..not voted upon” to Markov and he declined? I think there have been other declines too if I remember correctly…

      • Trisomy 21 says:

        Captain picked by the players? So the Leafs saw Phaneuff turn up the radio and they all told Wilson “Hey, he’s the guy”

        Man they’re worse than I thought over there .

      • Bripro says:

        The leaders are accountable.
        They know it, they express it, and they don’t back away from it.
        When you throw your teammates under the bus, so to speak, you’re cowering from that responsibility, and IMO that’s what Cammy did.
        Too bad because if you consider what he did for us in the playoffs, if we get there, we’re going to miss him.

    • mb says:

      I posted earlier that it was unprofessional of Cammy to ask for the C, myself. Reading your post made me look at this from another point of view and I have to say that there are probably two ways to consider the whole thing.

      I think you have a valid point in saying that it tells much about Cammy’s pride and desire to be an important piece of this team. In a way, if anything it showed that he cared.

      However, I stand by my point that a captain gets the “C” not because he asked for it, but because either his coach or his teammates figured he would be the best leader for their team.

      What bothers me the most, though, isn’t what happened before he didn’t get the “C”, but what came after. After Gionta was named captain, it really seemed to me that Cammy was pissed and that it showed in his play. He looked like he had a lot less desire to win. I feel like his first year here, he was playing his as* off every game. After that, when he didn’t get his letter, it didn’t seem like he cared as much.

      In any case, this story made me laugh, if only because I can imagine the scene while the gifts exchange at the resto.

      (Oh and btw, I wouldn’t take BGL or Laps over Cammy, nor would I have wanted them as captain, either).

  43. Psycho29 says:

    RDS reporting that Pierre Gauthier is at the Winnipeg-New Jersey game tonight…..

  44. The Dude says:

    How bout the Habs offer Weber to the Nucks so we can bring Lapierre back home where he belongs!

    • Bill J says:

      agreed! and give him a letter too, just to piss cammy off more.


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      • longbow says:

        And to prove there are no hard feelings Laps could send Cammy 2 tickets to a Great Big Sea concert.

        “A constant smirk upon the face, and a whiffing activity of the body, are strong indications of futility.” Lord Chesterfield

  45. VancouverHab says:

    It’s “All Gomez All the Time” here as you know, but think about this:

    Would you rather have this team today, or the team that Bob Gainey blew up?

    For me, it’s utterly no contest: this team has spirit and identity and force. There has been tinkering, but this is still Bob’s team (Gainey naturally assumed that there would be on-going tinkering.)

    Realm of fact:

    - Cole is a huge plus.
    - Markov has the same injury that other players have triumphantly returned from with the same long recovery time. He can be massive still.
    - Kaberle can be a very useful luxury.
    - Bob’s central moves — Cammy, Gio & Gomez — still hold if you consider: 1.] Bourque for Cammi can (in principle) be a gritty edgy plus for us, 2.] Gio is a good addition, 3.] you drop the bandwagon-hate and see that Gomez is the NHL elite player that was acknowledged against the Rangers.

    IMO

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I hope Gomez stays healthy, I look forward to watching him play under RC. I personally believe JM’s system was very stifling for offensively creative players. If he can continue to make the 4th line viable, I then look forward to see what he will do with some of our “premiere” forwards.

      • Habfan10912 says:

        Still trying to figure out JM’s system but I don’t think its the reason for Gomez’s poor production Being a fan we are starved for him to turn it around. One good game and all is forgiven? Lets wait a month and see where he is. I don’t share your optimism but I hope your right.

    • SmartDog says:

      I was trying to be positive but it was wobbly all through this… and then I got here:

      “drop the bandwagon-hate and see that Gomez is the NHL elite player that was acknowledged against the Rangers”

      WHAT? Elite player? The guy had ONE good game. Blunden had a pretty good game the other night too – even scored a goal – so is HE elite? Eller must be REALLY elite, he has good games fairly often and scored FOUR goals once. I think our whole team must be elite!

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      • VancouverHab says:

        What was the wobbly stuff, SD?

        On Gomez, I meant that his two Stanley Cups, his Calder trophy, and his career NHL stats (superior to Cole’s, for example) establish him as an elite NHL player.

        To keep things unargumentative (for reasonable people like yourself) I wasn’t referring to his present season. (Although I can if you want ;–)

        • SmartDog says:

          Well I was starting to feel positive but a little wobbly, like on old Star Trek when the damaged spaceship is trying to pull out of some force field…. you know “will they make it or not” feeling. I think I was gonna get there and then you tried to sell me that Gomez was a keeper.

          He had one good game. You know the saying “one swallow doesn’t make a summer”? Or my granny’s favorite: “you can’t make a silk purse from a sow’s ear”? Rocket Richard has a handful of rings, I wouldn’t want him on this team. ;)

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    • HardHabits says:

      There hasn’t been much to like about the Habs since 1993. The only thing about the team worth mentioning are:

      Koivu’s return from cancer
      Theodore’s Vezina and Hart trophy season
      The East Conference title
      Halak and the road to the ECF’s

      The thing is. Teams play for the Cup. In that span there have been numerous players who have returned from cancer; Kessel and Lemieux to name a few. There has been a Vezina and a Hart trophy doled out to any number of players that wasn’t a Hab. 40 other teams or so made it to their respective conference titles and finals.

      The funny thing is the same stupid arguments are being bandied about here that have rendered the Habs to the sh!tp!le they are mired in.

      I just can’t wait until Molson cleans house and hires some modern thinkers. Roy, Damphousse, anybody but these ex-Senators. Some real Quebeckers who understand what this team means to Montreal.

      Who cares what a bunch of (im)posters from the ROC think. Put the Habitant back in the Canadiens.

      I also can’t wait for the Gomez and Gionta edition of the Habs to be history. That and the end of the Gainey era. If only to bury the thought of the loss of 11 UFA’s for nothing and the foray into a team of tiny blue smurfs. Gauthier may have impressed me with his latest press conference that he gave in French but his next few moves will decide whether he has a long term vision or is just pandering to his bosses penchant to sell more beer during play-off games.

      • VancouverHab says:

        But like I say, this is very much Gainey’s team. And Gauthier still gets a chance, imo, to make this thing work.

        Damphousse as coach? No experience? Roy? My guess: early success and then spectacular flame-out. What I would bet money on were he given the job after Cunny is that the Habs will turn into a soap opera of feuds, spats, recriminations: a francophone Mike Keenan.

        • HardHabits says:

          I was talking Vinnie D as GM.

          Hey if the Habs turn out to be a soap opera of feuds, spats and recriminations then it will be proof positive that sh!t trickles up as they would resemble the last few days of comments at HIO.

          • VancouverHab says:

            (Another “Ha Ha” there too ;–)

            What qualifications does Vinnie have as GM? I don’t remember the name but someone here a week ago brought up an elite francophone hockey man & managerial superstar currently with a team in the West who looked like qulity for he job here.

            (I have no axe to grind against Damphousse–I just don’t see any exciting qualifications for the job.)

    • Chris says:

      Like the 2008-09 Habs, everything has gone wrong for this year’s Habs.

      The 2008-09 Habs that Gainey blew up were actually not bad, as they showed the year before when they finally had a team that could score goals and play defence. They just hit the paper to their rock in the Philadelphia Flyers and Price wasn’t quite ready at the time. Re-play that series with the Price of today in net and the Habs win. I’m not blaming Price for the loss, but I think he has the capability to steal a playoff series now that he did not have then.

      That team, like this year’s, was also decimated by injuries. Komisarek, Higgins, Koivu, Price, Latendresse, Lang, Schneider…everybody was playing hurt or missing substantial time.

      My hope is that we learned our lesson then. Bad seasons happen…pick yourself up, and move on to the next season.

  46. Gino Reda just said on TSN that Rene Bourque should watch his back in the game against Washington. Just steering the pot. Washington needs to play hockey and not do something stupid in a big game for both teams.

    Go Habs Go!!!!!

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Gino Reda is a good “host” on TSN, but whenever I see him get involved in opinions on sport I often wonder if he really ever played much and was it ever at any competitive level, I highly doubt it. I don’t doubt some Cap’s will be keeping there eyes open for an opportunity to provide Bourque a greeting, but coming from Reda it just seems less than genuine.

      • Trisomy 21 says:

        I’m surprised people will jump on Gino Reda’s back for telling it like it is, but when Gagnon changes a player’s words around to make him look bad people let it slide.

    • The Dude says:

      Yep ,welcome to the Habs where you watch your own back….

  47. I can’t remember the last time I started team wacthing on Center Ice because our team needs all the help they can get for the remainder of the season. So here it goes. Cheering for the Sens to beat the Leafs. Carilona to beat the Pens, and NJ to beat Winnipeg.

    You know what will happen right?

    How on earth does a team with Ovechkin, Semin, and Backstrom end up as low as they are? If I were a Caps fan I’d be moving all three for real hockey players. I mean what’s their excuse? Mike Green’s injury? Crappy goaltending? They are the real joke in the East, them and TB of course.

    The Caps tanked to get Ovechkin and now they have a head case that can’t score. The Pens lost out on the lottery and end up with Malkin. You’re telling me the Pens were after Malkin all along. Talk about fluke. Wonder how Crosby and Ovechkin would do on the same team? One, a real hockey playe,r the other a pre-Madonna spotlight leader.

    The real losers. Picks 3 and 4. The Hawks tanked to get Barker, and Canes get Ladd. Barfmeabonealready.

    Fun Event of the day. Some idiot sent me a picture of a troll. I giggled because they couldn’t come up with something original and used my Troll hates Price jpeg. Some people are so stupid. They have no idea about email headers and the information they provide. Little ideas from a little man I suppose. Next time at least sign the email and don’t send to my corporation address, my staff thinks you’re a re-tard.

    Tanking is for losers. Strive for the playoffs. Go Habs Go

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  48. rhino514 says:

    I find it unprofessional of JM (and I was one of his supporters) for him to call out Cammy about his C in front of the players. Ultimately that type of thing hurts the team because Cammalleri probably lost respect in the room from that point on and that probably affected his production. Not saying Cammy should´ve lobbied for a C the way he did, but still, it shouldn´t have been made public. And JM laughing at Lap´s gift? Again, not very respectful. Maybe JM actually had some emotion after all.

    • mb says:

      Well, I find it unprofessional of Cammy to go beg the coach to have a “C” on his jersey. When the players voted, apparently he wasn’t a popular choice for captaincy, nor for an “A”.

      That being said, I agree that bringing that in front of the whole team must not have been the best thing to do.

      But still, you do not ask for a letter on your jersey, you deserve it.

    • habstrinifan says:

      Thank you rhino.That was my gut reaction too.

      It is easy to laugh at Cammy now and self-righteously invoke all the vindictive cliches to condemn him as selfish.

      Lobbying for the C may say a lot about a misguided self-importance on Cammy’s part. The flip side of that coin though is maybe Cammy, as has been widely reported, was one of the ONLY Canadiens who took it upon himself to study the history and cultural significance and who ingested the glory of this team and became in-love with being a HABS.

      Remember Cammy sitting by himself in the stands during the playoffs, visualizing greatness in the opportunity at-hand and willing from himself the determination to lead in the authoring of that greatness.

      JM’s public and snide betrayal of that visit showed a shallow mind who had no penetrating insight into profundity of trust reposed in his position as head coach. Also whatever message of on-ice responsibility he had meant to invoke and demand from his players that day became a parenthesis. JM, on that day made Cammallieri the future butt of many jokes from puerile minds like Lapierre, but in so doing, subtly became less of a leader figure.

      We have learnt a lot about Cammy and about JM from this story.

  49. rhino514 says:

    Blunden isn´t a top six player. He isn´t even a top nine player. With Gionta gone for the season the habs are short a winger on their top six which will make it unlikely to climb back into playoff contention. You can´t win if you don´t have a solid top six. You could put Kostitsyn back up there bu then you are left with REALLY weak third line.

  50. djb says:

    What’s going on with Markov? I don’t seem to hear anything about his progress anymore. And if I recall, the last I did hear–over a month ago–he ought to be due back soon.

  51. CF says:

    Canèt wait to see White on the ice. Perfect fourth line player.
    White, Moen, and we need to pick up someone for next year that can hit, fight, hit, and fight.
    Darche and Nokia should not be returning. Love Blunden right now too!
    Team toughness, seems to be important, too bad our GM had to watch our demise before he realised it.

    • ArmyFan says:

      Are there any guarantees that White even starts on the big team? Don’t get me wrong, I love what he brings. But who sits? Gomez? Darche? Nokelainen? Blunden?

      After the other night I am cautiously optimistic that Gomez is getting his mojo back. I’ve always liked Nokelainen – not a star, but steady. Have been really impressed with Blunden, as I’m sure the coaching staff have been.

      From where I sit, then, the decision is Darche vs White. For all the Darche-bashing, I love the guy’s commitment and heart. If the more talented players on the team had half the heart he does, we’d be first in the Conference (ok, maybe I’m exagerrating). However, White is a guy who, though not the ‘franchise’ player, could be that 3rd/4th line guy that is with the team for a long time, which is why I hope he gets the spot.

      • CF says:

        Itès all about who can bring the right type of skills to change a game. When healthy, White wins over Darche, itès not even close.
        Blunden has to be there right now for his size, and willingness to stick up for teammates, as he showed against NY.
        Bourque appreciated Blundens efforts as well, this stuff is very important, and does not go unnoticed.

      • Phil C says:

        If they play 12 forwards, my guess will be that Noki sits because Darche has not been scratched yet, while Noki has already been scratched a few times, especially since he is now the 5th centre.

    • CanadienBoy says:

      Darche keep digging no stop no pretension

  52. habs001 says:

    last 6 games habs 3-2-1 gained no points for playoff race…they need a 8-2 stretch for any significant gains

  53. HabinBurlington says:

    Thanks to MB and others for the translation from BGL video, much appreciated. Very interesting story.

    • mb says:

      Interesting, indeed. And like a poster said, it might explain the few scraps that occured between Laps and Cammy.

      Anyway, I like(d?) Cammy, but that little story speaks for itself, I think

    • Timo says:

      Just watched the clip. Good on Max.

    • Sean Bonjovi says:

      Cannot find link to video of which you speak, little help please.

      “Max Pacioretty could be our Phil Kessel”
      - Sean Bonjovi

    • vegas says:

      where is this BGL video? I’d like to see it

    • SPATS says:

      Just checking in and read your post which got me very curious about the BGL comments. I did a quick search and found the link.
      http://tvasports.ca/video/1387115497001
      To those who still pine for Cammy, this insider info suggests what many suspected. Cammy is unpopular for obvious reasons. He went looking for the ‘C’ and JM called him out in the room in front of the team. Lappy gave him a ‘C’ as a Xmas gift in front of the team at a steakhouse in Carolina. You can’t make this stuff up folks. His mom must have convinced him he really was the chosen one, despite his shortcomings and he’s eager to put it on display at every opportunity. A true legend in his own mind who only now seems to have a GPS for the net sewn into his Calgary jersey. And, by the way, you always had a C on your jersey Mikey… and you still do, just not a small one because you’re not the chosen one.
      The story aired just before the Boston game and the other panelists mention that his speaking out suggests he wants out. He got his wish and I for one am delighted. This sends a message to PK to get in line.

      While we’re at it, put Gio behind the bench for the rest of the year!
      They made room for Komo back in the day, with JM gone, and RC refusing to use the head coaches office, Gio should get to kick the can.

      OOH AAH – HABS ON THE WARPATH!

      • mb says:

        I liked the comparison between his handshakes + meeting with former Habs players and an electoral campaign.

        To me, it seems like in his mind, it was all said and done that he would be named captain, or at the very least assistant.

  54. matt jordan says:

    List of Restricted free agents.

    http://capgeek.com/free_agents.php?year_id=2012&team_id=-1&position_id=-1&fa_type_id=1

    Any of those players worthy of an offer sheet?
    -A number one center like Matt Duchene (struggling a little bit this year), who might be worth two first round picks, a second and a third?
    -A first line winger, like Evander Kane?
    -Using a second round pick to pry away from Minnesota, an un-named french canadien power forward who has struggled with injuries?
    -How about a team offering a big contract to an undeserving Tuuka Rask just to put the Bruins in a tougher cap situation?
    -How about the Chicago Blackhawks (with a middling tandem in net) signing Carey Price to a 8M a season offer sheet than paying the Canadiens four first round picks that would all be in the #20 to #30 range?

  55. price365 says:

    Markov: is done like dinner – the only place you’ll see Markov is at the bank – lots of mula to spend.

  56. ABHabsfan says:

    Couple off-night questions:
    If, on the 28th of Feb when the Habs are in TB, the Habs are 4 points out of 8th, tied for 10th with 1 team, let’s say the Leafs, in ninth, who is playing for the Habs on this night?

    2nd, same date, but the Habs are now 12pts out, tied with Car, 4 pts behind the Isles? Who’s on our team now?

    • thorandresson says:

      If 4 points our, I think we see pretty much the same team we have now.

      If 12 points out then, Campoli, Moen, Gill, Gomez and Kostitsyn are all shipped off for picks/prospects.

  57. boonie says:

    Sorry folks. As much it bothered me to read Joyce’s well crafted arguments, I was much more upset by “E’s beautifully written rebuttal for completely missing the point of Joyce’s commentary. The Montreal Canadiens USED TO BE RELEVANT to ALL HOCKEY FANS EVERYWHERE. For nearly two decades, were are relevant only to our fans, of which, I am a card carrying member.

    This will get me killed around here, but I respect people who find faults with a team that hasn’t lived up to the insanely lofty expectation of our history. That we have fallen from on high to mediocrity is statistically “relevant”, hell, it’s more sigmas of standard deviation than I can count.

    Yep, Mr. Joyce was way over the top. He used only a laundry list of facts to make his case in opinion piece lamenting the decline of our most hallowed franchise. You see, he presented an essay. It’s supposed to be pointed.

    That some of our fans are increasingly content with nearly 20 years of mediocrity is perhaps even more upsetting than being virtually irrelevant on any scale that matters. We don’t need to proactively defend this team and its management, we need to discuss the problems, identify them and have a plan (as another hated scribe, Mr. Todd said recently) to fix them — yep, we have more than one.

    Mike, sorry, Mr. Michael Cammalleri was shoved aside like used tissue paper for speaking up about the loser mentality that he believes pervades this team. A team in the bottom half of the standings should be able to deal with the people — insiders like Cammy and outsides like Mr. Joyce — who point out our faults.

    Instead, we get elegantly written PR prose that we are the third most valuable team. Big deal. We are the second largest hockey market in the most important hockey country. Where else should we be.

    We sell out the building. Yee-haw. 18,000 seats paid for largely by corporations to wine and dine clients in a metropolis of more than 2 million.

    Lots of draftees playing in the NHL, and yet, none in our lineup that we drafted that scored 80 points or won a major award since 1984.

    We even cited the tired, injuries played a part. I don’t see the Penguins missing Crosby et al for long stretches or the Flyers missing Pronger in our rearview mirror. One might even argue that Mr. Gauthier erred (darn, now I shall be banished to Western Canada) when he signed off-injured Mr. Markov to a lucrative three year deal with clearly no timetable to play even half the season contributed to our IR problem; and, until Mr. White plays like the second coming of Mike McPhee or Mr. Gomez starts producing, their injuries are just padding stats.

    I guess I liked it when our players went by Larry and Bob and Guy and we won. Now Mr. Gauthier refers to Mr. Gomez, fires assistant coaches before games, trades players during games and we lose.

    Yep. There’s a pretty big gap between where we were and where we are.

    • Sbah Reverof says:

      Amen.

      “I respect your opinion, but you’re completely wrong!”

    • ABHabsfan says:

      Jose Theodore, Hart and Vezina in 2002. Otherwise I agree with the rest. Though it is possible that Cammy was traded because he wasn’t scoring enough goals to justify his salary. Boring, but perhaps true?

      • boonie says:

        Went from memory and forgot Jose. Outstanding year. Absolutely agree. The timing looked bad on the Cammy deal. I would have liked him traded for “picks and prospects” or, at least, someone younger than him.

    • Mattyleg says:

      I don’t agree, unfortunately, Boonie.
      The Habs were never relevant for All Fans Everywhere.
      (whatever relevant means, which is something ‘E’ takes issue with)
      I know many people my father’s age who are not Habs fans because they were too strong when they were kids, and they didn’t like being associated with the smugness which surrounded the Habs in those days.

      And those were days when there were 6 teams in the league.

      It’s not fair, not by a long shot, to say that we’ve been satisfied with 20 years of mediocrity. Re-read E’s article and you’ll see the truth that no dynasty lasts forever. What team has a dynasty now? People sing the praises of Detroit. How many Cups have they won recently?

      My beef is with Habs fans who think that hockey owes them something. And it’s those fans who boo their team, and it’s those fans I don’t have time for.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • boonie says:

        You make two good points, MattyLeg. So, I’ll try to address as best I can.

        Relevance.

        I should have defined my version of relevance. I should start by saying it does not mean fan. The city of Montreal and the Canadiens were (I say this without evidence, so bear with me), synonymous with hockey for decades. The head offices were in Montreal. The draft was in Montreal. Any casual fan knew hockey meant Montreal Canadiens. Like baseball meant the Yankees, basketball meant to the Celtics and football meant the Cowboys or Steelers. We dominated the sport. Our stars transcended the game, nationally and internationally. Teams copied our style of play. Players wanted to play for us. Hell, they changed powerplay rules because we were too damn good at them. We owned the sport. We were relevant beyond the scope of our fans. I grew up in Toronto and the glow of Montreal Canadien-ness was impossible to ignore.

        We are no longer relevant by that standard.

        Of course, it’s easier to win Cups in a six team league, when we can control players for their entire careers, can buy leagues to subsume the game’s biggest star, have to win a half dozen games to win it all and have a monopoly on players from Quebec. No one can expect those results any more.

        However, I hope for teams like Detroit that are top third for decades. Or like the Patriots in football. There are teams organized to succeed by modern definitions in salary-capped, revenue-sharing leagues. Our management doesn’t seem to have that foresight or those skills. It goes beyond tanking. It’s scouting, player development, and more other aspects than I can speak to. But we don’t have it.

        Your second point, was about what hockey owes me.

        It owes me very little. A level playing field to ensure well played games are governed fairly. On the other hand, my Habs owe me a lot. They owe me professionalism, and pride and an ability to wear my Habs paraphernalia and not be ridiculed.

    • Grallis says:

      Hey Boone; if that’s really you, worried about losing your job?

      If I was the Gazette, I would hire “E” in a second and dump your sorry ass.

      Just saying.

      And on the 8th day the Lord said…..let there be the Canadiens

      • boonie says:

        Sorry, I’m “boon”-ee. A nod to Mr. Boone from someone out in “boonies”. Just some fan with too much time on my hands, not a well paid journalist with Pulitzer-class writing skills.

    • The Dude says:

      Boonie shoots and SCORES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • habaddict_andy says:

      If u can find a GM who will turn this team around please do so. I’m sure 20 other teams would need ur advise too.

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    • powdered toastmann says:

      +1.0

      The truth hurts (especially those of the delusional set…or the ones that view mediocrity as OK for this Franchise)

      It’s amazing how upset the delusional get when they hear the truth.

  58. Mattyleg says:

    I guess we’ll have to wait until Markov gets back from the slopes to see how he’s doing these days.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  59. Laramy87 says:

    Good news about White, I like his energy when he is in the lineup.

    So PG said a while back expect Markov around the All-Star Game time. Well thats one week away, why is he not even practicing.
    Im just curious is all, not even a mention of him anywhere

  60. gumper says:

    Could someone remind me how we got Blunden?

  61. J_P says:

    Sportsnet Magazine should fire Gare Joyce and hire the guy who just made him his biatch. What a well written and objective retort.

    Sick and tired of all these pundits coming out of the woodworks, using an easy opportunity to bash our team. I watch 82 games a year plus playoffs, and am a lifelong fan. I am more qualified to comment on the state of this organization, just like many diehard fans who post on this site, than most (if not all) of these pundits who are suddenly jumping on the “kick the habs while they’re down” bandwagon.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Mr. Boone, any chance you can make sure Bobcat and Brunt get an email with a link to the Blog by E? You know the fellows well, and I would be curious if Mr. Brunt would give this any airplay, what would be good is if Bobcat had the Cajone’s to have both E and Gare on for an hour or less to discuss this.

    • LA Loyalist says:

      I’ve read both the Joyce article and the rebuttal. They both make good points and they are both subjective in many ways.

      I would like to make 3 points:

      1. With respect to Koivu, I don’t object to his omission – within the context of the Joyce article – because Koivu was not a an archetypal Habs captain. He was not French-Canadian, and he was rarely on excellent teams. He was certainly heroic and beloved (and his reception at the Ducks game in Montreal last year certainly proved that).

      I am grooming my own kid as a center with Koivu as a role model, so that shows where I am about Koivu as a player and captain and man. That said, within the Pantheon, Koivu is more Odysseus to Beliveau’s Achilles, though certainly a far better captain than Gionta or Turgeon and some others. I would NEVER have given his number to Gomez, my blood still runs at the thought. Not to digress. Joyce’s point is that Turgeon was not a Habs captain and should not have been put in that position. That’s on management.

      Secondly, success and failure are rewarded in the NHL. Mediocrity is not. We are neither in heaven or hell, but purgatory, the vestibule of hell which in the current set up is almost impossible to get out of. Hell is preferable.

      My last point is where we should be focusing our attention. Ownership, and Management.

      We spend probably thousands of posts debating who should be the 6th or 7th D or on the 3rd or 4th line. That’s bread and circuses, guys. We need to focus on the big picture. The train-wreck that started with the dismissal of Jacques Demers and Savard was from the highest levels.

      Losing Roy was management and Corey. Losing Boucher and Kirk Muller is management. Will we get lucky and RC work out? Maybe… but do we want to rely on horseshoes?

      Montreal Canadiens do not present the image of having strong leadership with a plan and the balls and confidence to implement it. Losing out on coaches, the Pearn disaster, the sloppy handling of JM (who should have been gone after the 3rd game of the playoffs last year) the sloppy trade of Cammi… do these actions inspire confidence?

      M. Gauthier has a 5 or 6 week window to right the ship. And I don’t mean making the playoffs, I am far past caring about that.

      I mean dumping expensive losers, accumulating picks and prospects, and making it clear that playing for the Habs is like joining Arthur on the quest for the grail.

      I’ll share something with that my 8 year old’s Russian coach said in the dressing room after a tough 3-2 loss on Sunday. (My kid had a goal and set up the other goal :-).) Coach had the boys who had wet hair stand up. There were only 4 or 5. The rest weren’t even sweating.

      He said “This is why we lost.”

      We want sweat, and we want blood and we want tears. We want sleepless nights and vision and passion for winning and damn the cost.

      We want it in the boardroom and the front office. When we get that we will win again.

      • boonie says:

        I always like you stuff… Contrary but respectful.

      • J_P says:

        I wont dispute that Gare made some good points, but E made better points and asked some excellent questions. Like i said, my issue is more with all these pundits pouring it on all of a sudden, as if sitting there waiting to pounce on an opportunity where habs fans cant simply say “24 stanley cups” as a valid retort.

        I guess they find it amusing to kick the mighty while they are down. Habs are the yankees of hockey. I imagine if the yankees were mired in perennial mediocrity like the habs currently are, all of the baseball world would pounce as well.

  62. Flex Aarnell says:

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  63. WindsorHab-10 says:

    Do we have any beef in Hamilton that we can call up for tomorrow’s game in case the Caps try to get revenge by going after Bourque?

    • HabinBurlington says:

      The only Beef in Hamilton can’t skate fast enough to help in the NHL, Alex Henry, Schultz etc..

      But with Blunden in lineup and Bourque added, if Emelin plays and either Campoli/Kaberle/Weber sit, we will have as physical a lineup as we have had in almost 3 years.

      Add White when he gets back, and we are starting to resemble a team which other teams Dmen might finally finish the game saying, Wow, I am sore after playing montreal.

    • LEAF KILLERS says:

      i would like to see Shultz for one game to see if he has improved

  64. WindsorHab-10 says:

    Is it okay to ask about the status of Andrei Markov?
    Just wondering.

    • Bill J says:

      was mentioned today by RC, still not skating.


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    • He’s not coming anytime before the AllStar break, as per Pierre Gauthier.

    • LA Loyalist says:

      He ate lunch at Joe Beef today with a friend. They had a little portable chess set. They spoke only Russian.

      Markov had a small Alberta beef rib-eye with “Montreal” seasoning, a plain baked potato and salad laitue. Dijon vinaigrette on the side. He enjoyed one glass of a Village Burgundy, and a short espresso with a slice of lemon zest.

      After that he walked his dog, then got back into his car and went to a physio-therapy session.

    • mb says:

      Lol, I can imagine Lapierre’s face just too well, as Cammy recieved his “gift”… You know, a little cocky smile.
      But are you sure that story is true… ‘Cause he said that JM was smiling, too… JM smiling: That can’t be possible, can it :P

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Anyone care to provide a loose translation?

        • mb says:

          One night, after a game, JM was mad and started pointing out at players. When it came to Cammy, JM said: “Instead of coming in my office and asking for a C on your jersey, you’d better work and earn it.”
          The guys in the locker room all looked at each other, ’cause asking your coach to wear a letter on your jersey is obviously not the best thing to do on a team.

          The anecdote:
          Later that year, the whole team, along with the coaching staff, was at the restaurant on the road and they had a gift exchange. Cammy’s name was picked by Lapierre. The latter gave a nice gift to Cammy; he gave him a big letter “C”, one of those that you sew on your jersey. Everyone was laughing, even JM, except for Cammalleri himself. He was in fact so mad that he left the restaurant, claiming that what’s said between the coach and a player should stay private.

          All season long after that, guys would make fun of him on that matter. During prctices, when Cammy and Laps would get in little “fights”, Laps would constantly tell him that “it wasn’t his fault if Cammy didn’t have a C on his jersey”.

          Pretty much it.

          • Bill J says:

            Your translation was better then mine, lol… Again thanks for that link, awesome!


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          • mb says:

            Well, I didn’t provide the link, but I thank habs03 as well!

          • Bill J says:

            Oh ehm, lol

            I’m still laughing at Cammy about it all, and the best part the fights between Lappy and Cammy make sense now.

            I hope Lappy smiled a little when Cammy was traded…


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          • mb says:

            I guess there was some truth to the rumours that he was “pouting” about not getting the C. That’s what it looked like in my opinion, but it seems like his somewhat discutable attitude has something to do with it.

        • thorandresson says:

          Basically Georges was saying that Cammalleri was disapointed he didn’t he wasn’t named captain. He apparently had gone to JM to complain about that, and after a loss JM mentioned something about this, and Cammalleri was upset that the info had come out and the other players knew. A few months later, during their christmas party, they did a gift exchange, and Lappierre had to give Cammalleri a gift, so he gave him a letter (A or C) and apparently Cammaleri was so upset he had to leave, while the rest laughed.

    • Bill J says:

      OMG, thanks for finding that and sharing it.

      Here’s a abbreviated translation.

      1 one day, JM was reeming all the players telling each player what they could do better. When he got to Cammy he said, and YOU you could do better by NOT coming to my office all the time complaining about not getting a letter on your shirt.

      Later on, at a xmas party… They were doing a secret Santa, at the keg steakhouse. MaxLap had Cammy, he got Cammy a “C” . Almost everyone busted out in laughter, Cammy was pissed and stormed off.

      Also talked about Cammy as a egotistical player.


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  65. MiltonHab says:

    The Joyce article is out of touch with reality. The ” fall” of the Montreal Canadiens has more to do with reality of the NHL over the past 15 years, 30 teams, more parity and the influx of the european player. No franchise creates dynasties anymore…just doesn’t happen! Just an opportunity for Rogers to sell more magazines to appease the Hab Haters!

  66. LA Loyalist says:

    Please read the Gare Joyce article on the Decline… in fact, bookmark it.

    … I am not going to comment until I’ve calmed down somewhat, probably tomorrow.

    • Bill J says:

      I prefer the reply to Joyce. That in my opinion is worth the bookmark, why in the world would I want to be told lies and revisionisms ? I frequent this site to read that, I don’t need a double dose tyvm.


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    • G-Man says:

      Don’t blame you, LA. That article got my blood pressure up, too. In plain talk, it was BLEEP BLEPP BLEEP BLEEP, BLEEPITY BLEEP BLEEP BLEEP!

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      • Bill J says:

        The difference being, with you… You were likely angry, and wanted a few moments with Joyce in a dark alley.

        With LA, I honestly am not sure if he wants to hug Joyce or join you in the beat down of Joyce.


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    • issie74 says:

      If the Habs are looking to unload Gomez.I think it will be possible at the deadline,at 5.5 next year and 4.5 the following year,he is now downright affordable for a second or third line centre. just sayin ….

      NorthTOHab

    • 24 Cups says:

      I think you would have a great article if you took one half of each piece and combined them.

      Regardless, it’s been a tough go for the past 17 years outside of the conference championship and the trip to the semi-finals.

    • CanadienBoy says:

      LA May be u on the wrong website ,the Laff have miss the playoff 5 or 6 year in a row not the Habs and if they do i am happier today with Martin gone a more aggressive team by RC coaching and bigger and smart players like Cole, Max ,Eller ,Bourque and the next coming of the supper smurf DD so go cher for the Laff

  67. Dr.Rex says:

    How well would a team do with 12 Moen’s on forward and 6 average but hardworking defencemen. WIth a goalie who moves the puck well but is young and inexperienced?

    Cause this is the team Pierre McGuire would build.

  68. nunacanadien says:

    This is one playoff run where we could use a star like Halak. The Halak trade does not look so good, especially when Eller has not contributed except in one game in a meaningful way as Halak did towards a playoff run. Gauthier has demonstrated he is all about not making waves and you got to make a hurricane in the NHL if you want to make the playoffs, so Gauthier is in the wrong business. A GM like Robinson or Savard would have used the Halak/Price controversy to improve both players. Next time we get a potential developing superstar like Halak, don’t trade it away, use it to improve the team. Gauthier is all about trying to buy his way instead of using the existing skills of his team to improve. That is why in my opinion Gauthier must go before season end. Let a new GM rebuild before Gauthier re-signs Sergei Samsonov and ties up the cap space for a million years like he did with Kaberle. The Kaberle deal should have sent shockwaves of warnings to all…..

    • thorandresson says:

      Since when is 2 years close a million years? Besides, watch PG trade Kaberle in the near future and make you look like a complete tool…

    • LA Loyalist says:

      Kaberle was to cover up the mistake of not insuring Markov’s health by signing Wiz and then trading him as needed.

      Securing Emelin and the Cole signing were great, and the Cammi / Bourque deal was necessary and gave us cap room. Did it look bad?

      Very.

      The test will be the next few weeks. By March 1 we will have a clearer picture of whether PG can rebuild this team competently or we need to get down there with Pitchforks and Torches.

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      • Bill J says:

        You’re sounding more and more like Tony.

        Just sayin’


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      • thorandresson says:

        So you think signing Wiznieski to an even longer and way more bloated contract would’ve been better insurance?

        Campoli was the insurance, unfortunately he got injured. People seem to think that GM’s have this crystal ball and should know when injuries are going to happen. When it reality, s&*t happens.

    • Sharks9 says:

      Where were these Halak trolls in October and November?

      25 before 14

      • nunacanadien says:

        In November and October, Gauthier was not grasping at straws, his scoring multimillionaires suprise, who used to get hurt like the little china dolls they were before they came to Montreal, suprise continued to be the little china dolls that they are and still are. The defense has not been consistent and most of all lack size to stop a rush. Gill is not fast enough, Gorges is talented but not big enough to stop the Crash The Net NHL that the Montreal Canadiens happen to be part of….

    • The Jackal says:

      I lol’d

  69. 24 Cups says:

    In terms of re-signing AK46 or Moen, here’s the list of UFA left wingers. I guess there is also the option of moving Cole to the left side but that would put a ton of pressure on the kids trying out for RW next season.

    http://www.mynhltraderumors.com/2011/11/09/2012-nhl-free-agents-unrestricted-left-wingers/

  70. The Dude says:

    Happy 70th birthday Mohammad Ali. “I’m so fast I can turn off the lights and jump into bed and the lights will still be on!” You are still “THE MAN”

  71. HabsFanMTL says:

    i’m sure Blunden is playing with Bourque as back -up muscle against washington tomorrow night since Bourque has a target on his back

  72. habfan53 says:

    There are a few posts below regarding the trade that still question whether PG was honest in saying that he had been working on it with Calgary since LAST YEAR . What I would like to know from fans and media type is WHY are you not questioning Jay Feister’s honesty? he has said the same thing that they were talking back in late November yet nobody is questioning his honesty.

    to paraphrase Nixon: If the Bruins do it, it is not illegal

    • thorandresson says:

      There’s also all the trade rumors involving Calgary since last year. People thought it was for Iginla, but doesn’t look like the case.

      Here’s what I think happened based on the facts that the public knows:

      Montreal and Calgary had a deal worked out before the Bourque suspension, however they had to wait. Perhaps Cammalleri heard of this and showed his displeasure. Also recall, PG mentioning in one of his presse conferences how there were chemistry issues, which left us thinking who are the bad apples (now we know Cammalleri was one of them). Anyways, further to Cammalleri’s comments, he then plays a pretty poor game against Boston, and PG feels like he’s had enough and pulls the trigger then. Instead of waiting it out til Bourque is ready to play.

      • habfan53 says:

        Just a small correction. According to Feister and D.Dreiger (of TSN) the deal was held up till the start of the Flames game in L.A. so that the game would count towards Bourque’s suspension that coincided with the 2nd intermission of the Montreal / Boston game that is why he was pulled before the third. Because the league won’t / can’t authorize a trade while the player is playing a game

        to paraphrase Nixon: If the Bruins do it, it is not illegal

    • LA Loyalist says:

      They may have agreed on a story to save face both both GMs. There is no way to know the truth.

      The more important thing (and this is more important than the merits of the respective players) is the trade LOOKED bad – were I PG and I really had been talking to Feaster and Cammi shot his mouth off – I would have killed the trade.

      A Habs GM can not look like he is lurching from place to place.

      This is the #1 problem with the franchise since Bob “Blow Up” Gainey took over. His blow-up looked panicked, and many actions since have looked that way too. The Pearn dismissal, the JM dump (and I wanted him gone)… all look like black ice steering moves. And it ain’t Gilles Villeneuve with his hands on the wheel.

      I’m not saying that’s all true, I’m saying that’s the public perception. Was there bad luck or “force majeure” ? Of course. Who knew BGL would go vegan, that Gomez would lapse into a coma, that Markov’s knees were doomed. Of course there was bad luck.

      But you earn your luck. We need calm, methodical leadership from Molson on down to get back on track.

      Are we going to get it is the question.

      • nunacanadien says:

        Since when does making trades before the season end ever save a team except well anyone know of any teams that benefitted from this? We all know the laffs terrible history and the habs should be careful not to repeat that by signing players in hopes of making a playoff spot. It might make sense but I doubt the fans and the media would let Gauthier finish the trades I am sure he is trying to make. Havings said that, what hot prospect or what talented players wants to play for a team that has a weak defense? I am not saying the habs suck totally in the defense, but fans know and realize that when the other teams can basically skate into the habs end and fire shot after shot from the point and crash the net repeatedly when Gill is not on the ice, that you know there is something wrong with the other 5 or so D-men…..just saying. But Gautheir signed himself into this mess. Or did Gainey do that for Gauthier still, and is Gainey still running the show behind the scenes? We need a formal statement from Molson as fans that there will be no more advice from Gainey prior to trades or after trades or anything to do with the habs.


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