Canadiens announce camp roster, sign Trotter

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Canadiens first-round pick Nathan Beaulieu.

The Canadiens signed Brock Trotter to a one-year, two-way deal on Monday, and also announced the 12 players who will take part in the second part of the club’s development camp, which runs July 6-8 at the Bell Sports complex in Brossard.

In 2010-11, Trotter registered 26 points (nine goals, 17 assists) in 49 games with Riga of the Kontinental Hockey League (KHL).

Trotter, 24, played 172 regular season games with the AHL’s Hamilton Bulldogs from 2007-08 to 2009-10, recording 135 points (57 goals, 78 assists).
A native of Brandon, Manitoba, Trotter joined the Canadiens as a free agent on February 7, 2008 after three seasons with the WCHA University of Denver Pioneers. He led the team in scoring with 40 points in 40 games in 2006-07.

For the development camp, the list of prospects includes all seven players chosen at the 2011 NHL Entry Draft last month.

The Canadiens prospects will first take to the ice on Wednesday, July 6, from 4 p.m. to 6 p.m. The development camp consists of two on-ice training daily sessions at the Bell Sports Complex. All practices are open to the public. Off-ice conditioning sessions are also scheduled each day.

CAMP ROSTER
Nathan BEAULIEU
Mac BENNETT
Josiah DIDIER
Darren DIETZ
Magnus NYGREN
Greg PATERYN
Colin SULLIVAN
Olivier ARCHAMBAULT
Étienne BRODEUR
Daniel PRIBYL
John WESTIN

448 Comments

  1. emann_222 says:

    One heck of a list … Bealieu, Nygren, Archambeault, and above all – Pribyl! Some amazing talent for the coming years.

    I’m really happy with what PG is doing, and it will pay dividends for us over the next 5-7 years.

    Add in what he’s doing for us now. Many aren’t happy with the Cole acquisition – but I’m thrilled to see a second large forward in the top 2 lines.

    Read more of my thoughts regarding the “Habs Free Agency Depth Plan” here: http://dlvr.it/YyHJ3.

    Can’t wait to hear your thoughts!

    Visit me at http://www.bleedbleublancrouge.wordpress.com and http://www.thehockeywriters.com

  2. HardHabits says:

    Gomez is very replaceable. With Brandon Dubinsky. Offer sheet Brandon Dubinsky 4-4.5M and trade Gomez. Simple.

    • Bugs says:

      If it’s so simple, like I keep sayin, why don’t we go for this Crosby guy?
      I saw some highlights of him once and he plays hockey pretty good-like.
      I think he would be good on our team. I think he could play good with Brian Gionta.
      You guys should check some of his highlights; he’s pretty good.

      Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

      • HardHabits says:

        He’s pretty good. I heard of him too. But he’s not a UFA until 2013-2014. I want the Habs to get somebody now.

        • TomNickle says:

          But he’s 5’11 and 200 pounds. The irony is too fantastic to ignore.

          • HardHabits says:

            5’11 is the size of many elite forwards. Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Plekanec. The list goes on.

            You also know I do like small players. Henri-Richard and Yvan Cournoyer were two of my favourite Habs. I always liked Thereon Fleury. I touted DD while he was in his 1st AHL season.

            It’s the abundance of small players that I am against. That even simplifies it way too much. Think outside the HIO narrative please.

          • TomNickle says:

            I am thinking outside of it. But adding a 5’11 forward to the roster we have that is stocked full of them runs contrary to your ideology for the Habs. And thus the irony in you wanting a player who is 5’11 and 200 pounds.

            Take a chill pill and enjoy it Dave. It was intended humour. I don’t know any sane people who would refuse having Crosby on their team.

    • Stuck_in_To. says:

      I was curious about offer sheets and looked at this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NHL_players_who_have_signed_offer_sheets) the other day. I noticed it stipulated being “players who SIGNED offer sheets” and not Teams that made offers.

      In any case, I think it shows seven successful offers made out of 30 in the past 25 years.

      If they still work the same way, the team matching is not the real problem. It’s what they might demand and get in return.

  3. Bugs says:

    You know what? Let’s get down to brass tac’ks over here: who’s better, Soobie or the Priceberg?
    No more sugar-coating, no more love, no more excuses, who do you take first, who do you build around first, who is more the friggin dynasmo most likely to show you the fabled marmalade sky of beautiful victory? Who is THE phenom? Cut to the chase; no more bullspit.
    Put me down for Soobie.
    Unnnhh!

    Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

    • deuce6 says:

      Price..

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      Yes, I’m a Hab fan..Wanna fight about it?

    • pmaraw says:

      seems to me whenever soobie has a defensive lapse, they score on price. i think they may actually share a brain.

      • Bugs says:

        Or is it that Soobie has more of an effect on our goals-against ratio than the Priceberg does?
        Mull THAT one over…,
        Rover.

        Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

    • TomNickle says:

      Subban. I don’t think there is a defenseman in the NHL who can combine Subban’s offense, defense, physical game, compete level, leadership, cool attitude and maturity well beyond his years. I think we have the next version of Lidstrom on our roster. Except he’s Subban, and he’s got more charisma, is outrageously faster and may have even more upside. I think the kid’s gonna rip off Norris’ like nobody business.

      Price, as much as I love the guy, is comparable to more than a few, like Rask, Miller, Ward, Mason, Rinne and Quick. And let me add that there isn’t a young goalie in the entire league that I would rather have.

      There have been endless debates about whether or not you need elite goaltending to win the Cup.

      But there is no argument against the simple fact that nearly every team that has won a Stanley Cup has done it on the shoulders of an elite defenseman.

      The Penguins did it without one, but they had Crosby and Malkin. So they get a pass.

      • Everlasting1 says:

        Subban has nothing on the younger Alex Pietrangelo. Almost tossed my cookies when you carried on about his maturity, cool attitude.

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        ” There were giants on the earth in those days; and also after that (The Deluge), when the Sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bore children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.” Genesis 6:4

        “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

        • TomNickle says:

          Has nothing on Pieterangelo. Except speed, a better shot, better ability to use his size and a superior work ethic(from what I’ve been told). Pieterangelo moves the puck a little bit better.

          But you think Halak is the NHL’s best goalie so I won’t bother continuing to debate the merits of NHL players with you. Have a good night Sergio.

          • Everlasting1 says:

            Maybe speed, but Alex racked up more points, was +18 compared to Subban’s -8..not better defensively.
            9 of Subban’s 14 goals were on the pp, and logs many more pim (no fighting majors either).

            I won’t debate goalies but I don’t see Price equalling or bettering his numbers this year. I can see it for Halak though.

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            ” There were giants on the earth in those days; and also after that (The Deluge), when the Sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bore children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.” Genesis 6:4

            “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

          • TomNickle says:

            Did you just say that Subban had no fighting majors? Because he had four. Bogosian, Sutherby, Letestu and Lupul were the players if you’re curious.

            Nick Lidstrom was -2 this season. You gonna tell me that Pietrangelo is better defensively than he is?

            EDIT: Pietrangelo was on the ice for 74 goals against. Subban was on the ice for 68. So much for your Pietrangelo is better defensively argument.

            You could try by using statistics like hits and takeaways. Where Subban had 110 and 37 respectively compared to Pietrangelo’s 57 and 40 with two more games played.

            But no, lets not use stats that actually measure defensive abilities, let’s analyze the plus/minus stat that only tracks goals at even strength or shorties.

            Didn’t I say I wasn’t going to get into this with you? Yeah I did, I lied.

            Oh and on Halak, after November he posted a save percentage below .900…..OUCH. I guess it would be difficult for him not to improve on that wouldn’t it.

          • Everlasting1 says:

            It is to laugh calling those ‘fights’ where it’s nothing more than instigating, showing his ‘mettle’..er, I mean maturity/cool attitude lol
            The rest of your post is W E A K.

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            ” There were giants on the earth in those days; and also after that (The Deluge), when the Sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bore children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.” Genesis 6:4

            “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

          • TomNickle says:

            Nice recovery from the “he had no fighting majors” comment. If the rest of my post was weak you would have picked it apart.

            Happy trolling Sergio.

          • Everlasting1 says:

            I won’t bother to check but I’m sure Alex was busier on the pk. Yes, he’s better defensively with great hockey sense.

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            ” There were giants on the earth in those days; and also after that (The Deluge), when the Sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bore children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.” Genesis 6:4

            “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

          • TomNickle says:

            I checked for you. Subban had 2:32 shorthanded toi/game and 11 goals against were scored while he killed penalties.

            Pietrangelo had 1:58 shorthanded toi/game and had 16 goals scored against while killing penalties.

            So with significant more time on the penalty kill, Subban allowed less goals while killing penalties. Seems to be that defensive ability is an area where he’s got Pietrangelo dominated……NEXT?

            Not a good night for you Sergio. Try again by all means.

            Edit: I guess that’s it for this one eh Sergio. Hopefully this puts your Hab bashing and Blues promoting to an end for a week or so.

          • Everlasting1 says:

            Excuse me if I don’t trust your skewed figures..getting ridiculous with the variables.
            Is that why Alex was +26 better overall? Oh right, that meaningless +/- is irrelevent. Gomez is vindicated.

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            ” There were giants on the earth in those days; and also after that (The Deluge), when the Sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bore children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.” Genesis 6:4

            “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    • Bill says:

      Subban. Showed what he had with that super-late tying goal in game seven. My kid and I were freaking OUT. That’s clutch-superstar stuff. Price is great, but … Subban has that ineffable thing.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

      • TomNickle says:

        And everything else ;)

        I said the kid’s gonna score about ten seconds before he did on the goal you’re referring to. He loves the pressure and thrives in it.

        • Bill says:

          I was so sure they would win after that. The OT winner was so anti-climactic. Actually, if we’re comparing the two, Price looked pretty vulnerable on the last two Bruins’ goals. And of course … Hamrlik …

          Plekanec was pretty great in that game too.

          Full Breezer 4 Life

          • TomNickle says:

            Yeah well. A lot of people think we need rough and tough, big ass, bad ass forwards.

            I kinda think that our defensemen need to adopt that mentality, not necessarily the physical attributes. Just the nastiness. Too many heartbreaking goals being scored on Price from the blue paint and surrounding areas. Too much puck watching from Hamrlik and Sopel in the playoffs.

            Just my opinion.

      • Bugs says:

        He didn’t just score that goal.
        He scored it DECISIVELY.
        Really is a shame the Priceberg couldn’t pull one out in OT though.
        Not his fault, mind!
        Just sayin…

        Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

    • t1tan5 says:

      Let me first say that it is ludicrous to compare these two players. Thaet being said, if I had to start a team, I would build it around Price. He’s on the ice 60 minutes a game, after all.

      • TomNickle says:

        It isn’t often that you can find a defenseman who can play close to thirty of those minutes as a rookie. Just sayin.

        • Trisomy 21 says:

          And what tune will everyone be singing if he has a sophomore slump? It was one good season, give it time before we start giving him handjobs.

        • Stev.R says:

          We’re lucky to have both. I predicted last summer Price would get nominated for a Vezina this year, and win it the next. He got robbed this year and I still expect him to win it next year. We got the best goalie in the league for years to come.

          As for Subban, I don’t know how many players are as fast as him, have as hard a shot as him, and as smart offensively as him. Not to mention the guy is an absolute brick-house who can hit, back check like no other, and was the best defensemen in the first round of the playoffs last year. AND he is still getting better!!!

  4. habstrinifan says:

    Babchuk re-signed in Calgary.. dont know if it is old news.

    Which means my boy is still on the market PG.. get him before anyone else does.

    You do that, sign Gorges and then go fishing.. you would have deserved it.

  5. HABSGUARDIANANGEL says:

    does anyone have an idea of what the line up in hamilton will look like?

  6. petefleet says:

    The Habs now have a glut of small centremen. Trotter included. Could it be that PG has made this this way so as to trade Gomez? Maybe demote him in the first ten games if he does not perform. If that’s true, DD, Eller, and Trotter all have a legit chance at being the second line centre. Of the three, I’d say Trotter has the best chance based on his numbers from the AHL and the KHL. Eller would be the best case scenario if he has gained some bulk and can build on his progress this year. He might actually be the big centre that the Habs have needed for years. That may be wishfull thinking but who knows.
    Lets start the season in August. I can’t wait.

    ***Habs Forever***

  7. HABSGUARDIANANGEL says:

    the erik cole or was it eric kole lol thread had over 1,000 comments is that a hockey iside out record??

  8. Un Canadien errant says:

    One of the more delicious plot twists in the NHL free-agency period, one which is being overlooked as we wrangle over Mr. Pouliot and Mr. Konopka, was Jaromir Jagr’s decision to sign a contract with the Philadelphia Flyers, the arch-villain rivals of his former team the Pittsburgh Penguins. The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and its readers are having an aneurysm over it.
    Mr. Jagr had stated two years ago, while playing in the Russian KHL, that he, for the honour of rejoining his original team and out of respect for his idol, mentor, and current Penguin owner Mario Lemieux, would go so far as to sign a Collective Bargaining Agreement one-year minimum contract. In this last month, while Mr. Jagr was hard to pin down or even locate, his whereabouts being as uncertain as Schrödinger’s cat, Mr. Svoboda did profer that his heart was in Pittsburgh. After all, he still owned a home there.

    On June 30th, various rumours surfaced from Pittsburgh that there already was a deal with the Penguins in place, that Mr. Lemieux and Mr. Jagr had spoken and the contract only needed to be signed.

    Fast-forward to yesterday, with Mr. Jagr unable or unwilling to face cameras and deciding instead to take part in a conference call. He variously states that it’s difficult to explain his joining the Flyers, because his English is rusty, and he would have an easier time in Czech or even Russian (there is no word as to whether an interpreter was offered by a dogged Pittsburgh media scrum), and also that he had a good conversation with Chris Pronger, the now undisputed top dog in the Philadelphia kennel, after abrasive pups Mike Richards and Jeff Carter were shipped out. That heart-to-heart chat with noted wit and confidant Mr. Pronger, and murky existential leanings too tenuous to grasp with his rudimentary English, a language he only started picking up twenty years ago, are the only reasons we are provided.

    Of course, the Flyers will pay Mr. Jagr $3.3 million this season, as opposed to reported offers from the Penguins and other teams in the $2 million range. This detail was not mentioned as a contributing factor to his decision, despite Mr. Jagr’s well-known gambling issues and problems with the U.S. Revenue Service. There were many other offers from many other teams for more money, he claims.

    He is not made of stone however, and is foggily aware that this turn of events may not play well in Pittsburgh. For this he made the quarter-hearted faux-apology that transgressors make nowadays, seemingly baffled that their conduct wasn’t appropriate. They ask pardon not for their actions, but for the fact that these, however impenetrably, ‘may have offended others’.

    The Canadiens were reportedly ‘in the race’ for Mr. Jagr’s services, although Pierre Gauthier flatly denied that he was interested. When the smoke clears we’ll find out whether we did make an offer or not. As it stands now, he is to be congratulated for not getting sucked in to this charade, only to be used to spur the bidding war.

    I was one of the suckers who opined in these pages that signing Mr. Jagr for a one year $2 million contract was a ‘no-brainer’. I bought into the new, improved, more mature Jaromir, one who had come to cherish his legacy and wanted to polish it before being inducted into the Hall of Fame. I believed that he had a good rapport with Tomas Plekanec and that he wanted to build on the good work they started in the international arena. I believed that he thought Montreal was a special place and the Canadiens were a special team. I thought there was no downside, that we would be getting a talented winger who would score at least 20-25 goals (but hopefully 30-40 goals) (I know, I know, I’m embarrassed as I type and admit this), and improve the threat of our power play, without having to give up any assets to obtain him. I did in one post offer the disclaimer that he might upset the chemistry, but I glossed over that and plowed ahead.

    We need to be thankful that we do have careful, cautious Mr. Gauthier at the helm. He stated during the press conference at the end of the season that he liked the team as currently constituted, and repeated that it is a ‘new’ team, with few players that were on it prior to two years ago. He also was very complimentary on how the players fought through adversity during the season and playoff, how they played hard and fought. All this implies that he thinks it hasn’t yet reached its potential. It also implies that he doesn’t want to mess with it, or mess up the dressing room. Jaromir Jagr never had a chance here.

    ———————————
    Let’s do something like this again: 1) Mike Cammalleri 2) Brian Gionta 3) Hall Gill

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

    • Harry says:

      Gauthier considered Jagr, Martin was opposed……in any case things also soured with Svoboda also handling Hamrlik……that was the real loss, because we can see that the Caps were not stupid and got it seems exactly the players they wanted plus a bonus goalie for a bargain price…..
      If the Habs want a veteran that can help for a year, they should not rule out Kovy….they wanted him to stay…now they might get him for a really good price

      • PureGuava says:

        Totally agree – I think Kovalev would be a great ‘Rover’. Martin could use him on the wing on any of the top 3 lines, and could have him on the pp. It’s a no-brainer.

        “Of course I’m crazy, but that doesn’t mean I’m wrong.”
        - Robert Anton Wilson

    • Stev.R says:

      Jagr said it would be difficult to explain in english why he chose Phili? I think I could help him out: “More Money”

    • Andrew65 says:

      Best post I’ve seen all week. Well done.

      Same applies for Konopka, albeit on a much less significant scale. I liked him for about 5 minutes, but then actually thought about it. My most fervent wish is that someone signs him soon, and we can stop talking about him (after a couple of days of inevitable PG bashing).

  9. HABSGUARDIANANGEL says:

    what was trotter reason fro leaving to the KHL anyway? he was putting up really good numbers, and even had a call up.

    • Harry says:

      Despite his great numbers, the Habs offered him nothing, money wise or making the team…Riga is a beautiful city and he took the best opportunity he could……this time the MTl management may have given him a decent offer( if they even did give him anything much last year except they had his rights)…Habs just lost two recent aquisitions to Europe- Boyd and Dawes…..this is not a management that that inspires those on the border of making the NHL team….all for a few dollars or hope….Maxwell went too because he would have cost the team almost a million in a minimum offer…..all with it seems no return…management thinks costs before assets, though Trotter may bring them something from another team in return for their investment
      I am still upset they let Hamrlik go, but that’s me….the defense is very vulnerable and not deep at all

      • HABSGUARDIANANGEL says:

        so youre ssaying you think montreal wouldnt have offered this guy 1 million or slightly under to keep playing in the ahl, he finsihed 4th in scoring with 36 goals 2 years ago?

        I think it was more of a trotter desicion, either way he must be pretty upset, he didnt have a very good productive season and no is only making half a mil.

        as for boyd and dawes, Its was kinda weird to see them go, hope it works out, they were never gonna break the habs lineup. but now that pyatt gone lol, maybe boyd could have been giving a shot, i liked him i think he scored out first goal of the season last year agaisnt the laughs, or was it the GW?

        anyway, just weird, glad to have him back, guess he;ll be playing with avistin, any one know what the lines might look like in hamilton this season?

        • Harry says:

          I don’t know about a million dollar offer….Riga is nice but not if the Habs had made that as an offer….
          Brock Trotter’s AHL salary before he left was $65,000…He is now reported to be getting a raise above the amount before he left to $105,000 in the AHL, which is an increase more than slightly above inflation

  10. HABSGUARDIANANGEL says:

    KOVAAALEV SIGNS IN MONTREAL!!!!!

    1 year/ 3 million
    got cha!!

  11. HABSGUARDIANANGEL says:

    I think we should offer Mara one year. I saw a video on this guy, miced up on NBC i think it was. hes so funny, I;m sure he a great guy in the locker room. PLus he really like montreal, and he stood up with alot of fights when he played in the line up last season, I dont know if they are willing to keep him as a 7th Dman, incase it dosnt pan with some younger players, we can get him for less then a mil probably aas well.

  12. Harry says:

    Gomez at 100% healthwise is an excellent hockey player, great passer and ice reader and since we fans don’t pay the salaries it really is not a big problem ….esp when Gauthier manages always to be under the salary cap even with so-called overpaid staff…
    ….who knows…. Maybe Cole is the linemate of choice for Gomez…they both have the speed and despite all the talk of Cole’s size, Gomez in physical shape is only 3 pounds lighter than Cole….and with Max’s size nd speed they may be a dynamite line…
    Whatever, Gomez is going to no other team this year without a breakout season….I predict cheers not boos if Scott stays in shape….

    • HABSGUARDIANANGEL says:

      Question, what do you think Gomez is doing right now??

      • CHsam says:

        He’s training with Pouliot in a dark cellar in the Old Forum.

      • Everlasting1 says:

        Debating where to build his second vacation home.

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        ” There were giants on the earth in those days; and also after that (The Deluge), when the Sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bore children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.” Genesis 6:4

        “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

      • Harry says:

        I agree that the Habs would do well to get Mara back….Gomez is doing what? probably fishing in Alaska…along as he isn’t eating too much fatty meat and many other foods with calories….and doing some portages…..

        • HABSGUARDIANANGEL says:

          you know more then anything I wonder, if Gomez is pissed that he had such a bad season production wise, and wants to prove he can be an elite player in this league again, he cant blame the wingers cause we have 5 solid 20 goal scoring wingers. ITs up to him, I hope hes coming to camp in phenomanl shape, he owes it to the city!!!!

      • _Habsoloutly_ says:

        counting his money.

  13. Robert L says:

    Smart Dog, if you’re still around, I’m trying to answer your Richards conract question. I posted something below, but I’m still on it. I’ll have to check the CBA to see the distinction between Talbot and Richards circumstances. It may take a while!

    • Robert L says:

      50.7 “100 Percent Rule” for Multi-Year SPCs. The difference between the stated Player Salary and Bonuses in the first two League Years of an SPC cannot exceed the amount of the lower of the two League Years. Thereafter, in all subsequent League
      Years of the SPC, (i) any increase in Player Salary and Bonuses from one League Year to another may not exceed the amount of the lower of the first two League Years of the SPC (or, if such amounts are the same, that same amount); and (ii) any decrease in Player Salary and Bonuses from one League Year to another may not exceed 50 percent of the Player Salary and Bonuses of the lower of the first two League Years of the SPC (or, if
      such amounts are the same, 50 percent of that same amount).

      • SmartDog says:

        Woah. Couldn’t sleep and so signed on to see if there was anything interesting. Maybe it’s me but this reads like mumbo-jumbo. I’ll try again in the morning. Thanks for it!

  14. habstrinifan says:

    Hi Bill,
    I like your fair-minded post re Gomez, especially the observation that he produced at a rate of a point per game WITH Pacioretty/Gionta.

    Whiich is why I cannot see any better line combination, to start the season for Gomez.. than back again with Pacioretty and Gionta.

    If you put him with any other player you run the risk of losing the effectiveness of the other players.

    Until proven otherwise PUT GOMEZ where he had his BEST stretch as a hab… with Gionta and Max Pac.

    All other permutations not only failed to spark Gomez but negatively affected other lines. And risking the same with Cole is a no starter.

    • Bill says:

      It’ll be Pacioretty-Gomez-Gionta. Cole only makes sense with Plekanec, because he gives that line size and hitting that Plekanec and Cammalleri don’t. So I’m not worried about JM messing up the line combos at least …

      Full Breezer 4 Life

      • habstrinifan says:

        I would love Cole with Eller and DD and rejoin Cammy/Pleks/AK ..

        Cole can play anywhere, but having Eller and DD roaming around as spare parts this year as we did last year, will not provide any true indication of how good (or not) they are.

        Cole on a line with them will certainly give us a true evaluation if these two players are top 2 lines calibre.

        And if DD isnt on your top 2 line, then frankly he wont be of use as a 3rd 4th line checker etc.

        If AK46 cant step up and be the size for Cammy and Pleks then we have the sam eproblem as last year and will either have to insert someone from Hamilton or make a trade.

        Essentially I am seeking the best player to team Eller and DD with for their development…. and it is Cole.

        • HardHabits says:

          People. JM loves to go with the vets. So it’ll be:

          Cole-Gomez-Gio
          Cammy-Plex-AK46
          Eller-DD-MaxPax
          Moen-White-Darche.

          • Harry says:

            Cole is suited right side for sure

          • habstrinifan says:

            Actually I dont mind those lines. I trust Max Pac so I think he will be good for Eller and DD.

            As you see I am very anxious that we get good line partners and playting time for those two. We gotta start putting out ‘skill’ player sin the roles they were signed for… and then let them succeed or fail.

          • Stev.R says:

            Like Pacioretty said last year, he’de rather be in the AHL on the first line, than in the NHL not in an offensive role. You gotta play Pacioretty on at least the second line. He’s still developing into the power forward we want him to be and we got to give him the opportunity with the right guys to do it.

      • Harry says:

        We’re not the coaching staff but stats wise AK is bigger than Cole and was the number one hitter on the Habs….Plek, Cammy and Ak worked although Gomez, did with Max and Gionta…..Cole will fit on one of those lines but it might take some shifts to test out

  15. b_whalen13 says:

    Here is the latest from Eklund

    “Anyway…two names tonight who I am hearing could be Habs soon.. Alexei Kovalev (e4) who minutes after signing his big two year contract in Ottawa 2 years ago, announced how he wanted to return to Montreal after the contract.. Kovy loves Montreal, and Montreal loves Kovy..

    another name, JP Dumont. Dumont brings much less to the Habs, but if healthy he can bolster the power play…”

    Now I know nobody reads or listens to anything this guy has to say, but out of curiosity, what do everyone think about these players with the Habs this upcoming season?

    • _Habsoloutly_ says:

      If Kovy was willing to sign on the cheap, I’d take him on a one year contract.

    • deuce6 says:

      LOL and LMAO..

      Those are my thoughts on these 2…

      ——————

      Yes, I’m a Hab fan..Wanna fight about it?

    • t1tan5 says:

      I’d love to have Kovy back, just for old time’s sake. But I really don’t think he would fit in under JM’s system and that is why we for sure won’t sign him. But hey, he did have chemistry with AK. Maybe AK-Eller/DD-Kovy could provide us with some much needed secondary scoring.

    • ProHabs says:

      Let’s sign them both and then official tank the season. HardHabits would be proud.

    • habstrinifan says:

      Funny thing but I am almost ready to say yes for Kovalev.. and I would have NEVER ever believed myself wanting Kovalev back.

      I am assuming he is UFA now?

      So if he signs for 5 to 8k for 1 yr I may be ok trying him. Anything over 1 mill and NO NO NO.

    • Harry says:

      Kovy would be a good signing…not Dumont…Kovy with Eller and Ak would be a potentially good third line

    • Trisomy 21 says:

      I doubt he’s hearing shit. He’s speculating

    • Stev.R says:

      No room for Kovalev. Too many better players in the roles he could fill. I’de rather have Dumont because I could at least see him maybe fitting into a defensive role.

  16. Bugs says:

    For the record, I think that hockey pose (edit) Beaulieu is doing is ridiculously contrived and a fitting testimonial to the lack of imagination either the photographers have or the marketing boys have cuz…
    That’s high-sticking. I know high-sticking when I see it. You can’t slip high-sticking past me. That pic says “Look at me; I take idiotic penalties!”
    It’s stupid.
    Why don’t they hold the stick horizontally in front of’em and pretend to limbo?
    Cuz that would be just as relevant to the game as that stupid pose is.

    Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

  17. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    I could be wrong, but IMHO, if you give Eller and/or DD the same amount of minutes Gomez saw, 5 on 5 and PP, both would put up better numbers than Gomez did last season. I mean, I’m not just hating on Gomez, I’m just being realistic, the guy was horrible last season in every aspect of the game. I just love this team too much to watch that again this season.

    • t1tan5 says:

      Firstly, I highly doubt Gomez will repeat last season’s performance. Something like 50-60 pts will be satisfactory. Secondly, there’s no way Eller or DD are even close to being able to handle Gomez’s ice time. Hate him all you want, the guy plays in all situations (PK, PP, 5 on 5, 4 on 4, 3 on 3).Besides Plek, we do not have another centre with the ability to play all of these roles. Eller and DD could be great, but anchoring a top six line would be too much too soon for them. Now if we were to pull a trade with a appropriate replacement in mind, I would be interested. Dumping him for nothing and having no replacement would really hurt us IMO.

      • Stev.R says:

        Yes, as bad as Gomez was last year he still does a few things that may remind people why he was once considered a 7 million dollar player. He’s quick, he is one of the best at taking the puck through the neutral zone, he gains the offensive zone better than anyone (he needs to learn to dump the puck in the corners instead of coughing up the puck if either A) he gets stood up by 3 guys once he gets past the blue line or B) nobody enters the zone with him), he is real good at cycling the puck in the offensive zone, he is good at getting puck control if there is a scramble, he is usually solid defensively (maybe not backchecking), and he is good shorthanded. That doesn’t justify 7m, but he is not a useless player.

    • deuce6 says:

      We won’t see Lars until, at the very least, November…So dumping Gomez, at this point, is NOT the way to go…

      ——————

      Yes, I’m a Hab fan..Wanna fight about it?

  18. HABSGUARDIANANGEL says:

    gomez salery is pretty horrible for value. but it seems like every team is screwed some how these days. All teams do overpay at least on eplayer, and have buyouts of over a few million, just a couple things that make you kwno the grass isnt so much greener on the other side of the fence.

    Gomez’s one intagible, which I love and hate, is that hes easy going, love all, joke about anything attitude, he gets respected, and is a proven “star” in the league. howver saying that, sometimes I wish the guy would get a mean streak, play with some passion, and even give some nasty attitude to the media! come on Scott! we wanna see you succeed! shoot the puck too!

  19. Everlasting1 says:

    I’m liking the latest signing by the Blues – Brett Sterling. This 5th round Gionta-sized half pint has been a prolific scorer in the AHL with 316 points in 319 games (171 goals, 145 assists). He’s seen limited action in the NHL, but looks to be a producer. He definitely gives the Blues some depth at forward.

    ps. Spare me the anti-Blues fan comments and suggestions of where to blog on a HOCKEY site. Get over it :-P

    ——————————————————————-
    ” There were giants on the earth in those days; and also after that (The Deluge), when the Sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bore children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.” Genesis 6:4

    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    • Trisomy 21 says:

      Why don’t you just go and marry Halak!
      jk but St. Louis is a great place for him, he’ll get the ice time he needs

    • Bill J says:

      “ps. Spare me the anti-Blues fan comments and suggestions of where to blog on a HOCKEY site. Get over it”

      Read the top left corner on the web page.

      Says something rather clear about the purpose of this site.

      • Everlasting1 says:

        ‘Absolutely everything about…but not limited to..’ is how one should read the fine print. The site has evolved if you haven’t noticed.

        ——————————————————————-
        ” There were giants on the earth in those days; and also after that (The Deluge), when the Sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bore children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.” Genesis 6:4

        “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

  20. deuce6 says:

    Meh, I am in the boat with keeping Gomez for one more season……

    He was a -15 last season, yes, but is that a real reflection of his defensive abilities seeing he had a career low across the board in production?…Put it this way, he played 1st/2nd line minutes, only had 7 goals, but he was only a -15? I don’t think it reflects his defensive play, but rather his scoring inabilities…

    I am all for “dumping” his salary, but we have to find someone that can play in his role..A top 6 center..DD and Eller aren’t there yet, IMO…

    ——————

    Yes, I’m a Hab fan..Wanna fight about it?

    • HABSGUARDIANANGEL says:

      not so sure about gomez defensive ability, He is great at going end to end gaining the zone, and having to take the 5th player back on back on the rush!

    • Harry says:

      Gomez at 100% healthwise is an excellent hockey player, great passer and ice reader and since we fans don’t pay the salaries it really is not a big problem ….esp when Gauthier manages always to be under the salary cap even with so-called overpaid staff…
      ….who knows…. Maybe Cole is the linemate of choice for Gomez…they both have the speed and despite all the talk of Cole’s size, Gomez in physical shape is only 3 pounds lighter than Cole….and with Max’s size nd speed they may be a dynamite line…
      Whatever, Gomez is going to no other team this year without a breakout season….I predict cheers not boos if Scott stays in shape….

  21. EastCoastJoe says:

    Look, Gomez is going nowhere. Maybe at or near the trade deadline or next off season, a team that has capfloor issues will take him to hang onto for the final two years of his albatross contract. A cap hit of 7.3 while getting paid 5.5 and 4.5 might be very attractive to a few teams. But his 7.5 salary for this year has those teams saying ‘No thanks’.

    So, here’s hoping Gomez produces more than a few good interviews this season (too bad funny doesn’t put points on the board), because folks, he’s with us to stay.

  22. maiolola@comcast.net says:

    Call me a fool but if I’m paying a guy $7+ large per season (Gomez) I would want a little more production. How many of us would have a job if we produced the numbers Gomez did last season, relative to our own jobs? Has anyone in business really become successful by severely over paying for medicore talent? I would have cut my losses months ago. Screw this bounce back stuff. Is he going to bounce back some of the money he stole last year?

    L Train

  23. Don Carnage says:

    Bla bla bla Gomez, Bla bla bla Gomez, Bla bla bla Gomez..

    Yawn

  24. ProHabs says:

    Anyone else think that Pouliot is as big a puss as Komisarek for signing with the Bruins. I mean, how can a REAL Habs player from last year even considering walking into the Bruins dressing room with those bunch of morons.

    How will Pouliot ever fit in with Krekji or Boychuk. Maybe Pouliiot is truly a Hab and is going to Boston to poison their dressing room and turn their team upside down.

    • Mike D says:

      Komisarek had options of where he wanted to sign and chose the Leafs. I doubt Pouliot had many (if any) other options.

      - Honestly yours

      • ProHabs says:

        There must have been at least 1 other team willing to give him a chance. Even if he had to accept less money, I really don’t see how a Hab from last year would want to go and join the Bruins after all that happened. Maybe that is the perfect example of his real character, no heart.

        • Mike D says:

          He’s a professional hockey player, keyword there being ‘professional’. If a team offers you a job as a player, you take it and play your hardest for them. If you have multiple teams offering you a job, you take the one you like best and play your hardest for them.

          - Honestly yours

        • habstrinifan says:

          See Mike D’s reply. But I am sure that after second thought you will put aside you ‘fan(atism)’ and concede that it shows no flaw in his character that he ( his agent) accepted the best offer as a professional.

  25. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    Why do people on here say we can’t find someone to replace Gomez? I mean, are you trying to tell me that they can not find a center anywhere that can score 7 goals? Really? People make him sound like he is a 30 goal scorer who just can not be replaced.

    • Jordio-oh says:

      People make him sound like he is a 30 goal scorer in a similar way that all you give him credit for is his 7 goals. Would you rather have Tim Brent from the Leafs? He scored 8 goals this year, he must be better. I am not saying Gomez is a 30 goal scorer, nor am i saying he is irreplacable, but i know i am being more fair in my evaluation of him than you are.

      • _Habsoloutly_ says:

        Oh gee, I’m sorry, was I not being fair in my evaluation of Gomez?? Let me see, he doesn’t score, doesn’t hit, doesn’t back-check. Boy, we’d never replace him and his seven goals huh? Excuse me if expect a little more from a second line center for the Montreal Canadiens that gets 7+ mill per. What was I thinking?

        • Habonic Plague says:

          The point is not to replace Gomez’s 7 goal production, but to replace Gomez’s designated role as a 1st / 2nd line centre. When looking for that replacement – it is much more difficult to find a such a player. As mentioned above, almost any centre can score 7 goals – but for his EXPECTED role on the team (and salary) he is not producing to that level. I haven’t checked, but are there any centres available that would fit his expected role?

          • SmartDog says:

            Well if you’re discussing what would happen if he was traded, one part of the argument has to be not just replacing him and his 7 goals and whatever else he brings, but also that if you put say DD or Eller in his spot, you’d have a lot more cash to build your other lines. So could Eller or DD (or someone else) fill his spot nearly as well or better and THEN could you add to that equation with some guys who help us have four strong scoring lines. And the answer has to be yes.

            Personally, I think Gomez’s contribution last year was so pitiful – remember he was -15 while most forwards were on the plus side – that replacing it is not just a question it’s a NEED. Unless Gomez makes a MAJOR turn-around, he’s not helping this team win a cup anytime soon.

        • Jordio-oh says:

          -’He does not back check’ – unfair generalization
          - i just stated above that i felt he was not irreplaceable- what is wrong with you?
          - i expect more from him too, but like i said before, i am more fair in my evaluation and i also understand we cheer for a team that is not part of EA Sports NHL GM mode on PS3. There are many factors at work here. Besides, the season has not started yet and it has been documented that PG is exploring his options. Take it easy.

          Perhaps _Hyperbolesoloutly_ is a more fitting user name.

      • Trisomy 21 says:

        Tim Brent would have had at least twice as many goals had he been on our first line and played as often as Gomez. This is not hard to figure out.

    • Bill says:

      In defense of Gomez (my heart isn’t it) you could say he needs to be replaced by a centre who can play 18 minutes and produce with Gio and Pacioretty. You could then add that Gomez was nearly a point per game over 20 games with those two guys until Pacioretty got injured. I would even agree that Eller and Desharnais aren’t ready for top-six minutes.

      That said, he absolutely sucked for three quarters of the year and was worse in the playoffs, so …

      Full Breezer 4 Life

  26. SmartDog says:

    5 YES/NO QUESTIONS (cause I know you like it easy…):
    1. Would you have liked to trade Cammalleri for Heatley if the offer was made?
    2. Will Spacek and Gomez both be Habs in October? (I’m asking your brain, not your heart.)
    3. If Gauthier has only one more big signing left, do you think it’s a top 4 defenseman?
    4. Would you give Gauthier an A- or better on his performance as GM?
    5. Has Boston unequivocally taken the Leafs place as the most hated team in the NHL for Habs fans?
    SD

    • Mike D says:

      1) No. I’d much rather have Cammy.
      2) No, not both.
      3) No
      4) Tough one, but no. I think to get an ‘A’ you have to rip off another GM in a trade, which Mr. Gauthier has yet to do.
      5) Weren’t they always?

      - Honestly yours

    • thehabsfan29 says:

      1. No
      2. Yes cause no one is dumb enough to take them
      3. No it will be a forward
      4. No i would give a B+ at most
      5. Yes

    • mike3131 says:

      No
      Yes
      No
      No
      Love the Leafs compared to how much I hate the B’s

    • Stev.R says:

      1. Absolutely not
      2. Probably
      3. No, if he gets a top 4 dman then he still has one more signing to make.
      4. Yes. What exactly has he done wrong?
      5. They’re a close second

    • Bugs says:

      1) If we could get him back for the playoffs, yes.
      2) My brain has to wait for more data from Mr.Gauthier.
      3) I think I would be more confident us taking the Conference if he did that.
      4) No one gets an A until I see a num1 ctr up in this b*tch.
      5) No, they were just pizz-lucky. We’ll see what’s what when we get our full complement back. Caners still most hated. Philly next. Then leafers, for being offensively deluded more than a thorn in our side.
      Don’t hate the Beaners. Why should I?
      We OWN them.
      And we always will.

      Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

    • Bill says:

      1. No, what the hell for? Cammalleri is playoff CLUTCH, Heatley is playoff SUCKS.

      2. Yes, because my brain says there is no real replacement for either available.

      3. No, I don’t think there are any more Top Four defensemen available as UFAs. Might trade for one though.

      4. No, I give him a solid B at this point. Some good acquisitions but a lot of picks, prospects, and solid players tossed aside for nothing.

      5. I have always hated Boston more. But I only recently started hating their fans more than Toronto fans …

      Full Breezer 4 Life

    • TomNickle says:

      1. No
      2. No – I think Spacek will get traded to Detroit
      3. No
      4. Yes
      5. Yes

    • GrimJim says:

      1. no. Heatley doesn’t appear (IMO) to be good in the room
      2. yes. Hab mgmt likes D depth and Gomez has no sure replacement in the pipeline
      3. No. Depth D only.
      4. No. He’s a B or B+
      5. Yes but only cause it’s hard to hate and pity at the same time…

    • Rugger says:

      no
      yes
      no
      yes
      always have been

    • RobertAlanFord says:

      1. No
      2. Most probably
      3. Maybe not an offensive Dman but a Dman nonetheless.
      4. A- or B++, I’m a little ticked about Wiz.
      5. Most hated team everywhere and by everyone. Dumb brutes with an attitude problem. They have ZERO class. They play dirty hockey and say you’re faking but are the first ones to cry wolf when someone pulls similar crap on them. I still cant get the image of Marchand trying to rap “Black and yellow, black and yellow” at the parade out of my head. It was more nauseating than watching Chara lift the cup to me.

      -When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro-

    • t1tan5 says:

      1. Absolutely not
      2. Yes and Yes
      3. No
      4. No (B+)
      5. Yes

    • Talik Sanis says:

      1) No. Heatley has been let go by three teams due to issues of character/a lack of clutch performance. We have a good player and a great man in Cammalleri. I wouldn’t care to move him.
      2) Yes. I could see them both going to Colorado, however, in exchange for Stansny and Duchene. That is assuming, of course, that Sherman hasn’t already used up his store of insanity. He seems to draw from a limitless well.
      3) Yes. If there is a big move, it will be for a defenseman, but Gautier isn’t going to make any more big signings.
      4) No. As someone else said, a GM has to pull of a steal to get an A rating, like Bruke did getting Franson or moving Kabrele. Of course, a GM would also have to avoid the insanity of the Kessel trade or the Leafs’ moves at the draft.
      5) Yes. Before this year I never disliked another team in its entirety, as I felt it was somewhat childish, but the Bruins have have taught me how to hate.

    • habstrack says:

      1.no-Cammy’s a leader
      2.yes…unfortunately
      3.no
      4. B to B+
      5. I sometimes feel sorry for the Laffs, but the Bruins…never!

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      1. Good God, **** no, not in a million years. Cammalleri cares about winning and shows up in the playoffs, Heatley’s never given a damn about his team.
      2. Yes
      3. No
      4. Give him a B for now.
      5. Oh yes

      - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

    • Icey Matt says:

      1.No, Cammy has more to offer in the playoffs.. isn’t it what it all comes down to?
      2.Yes, unfortunate but I see no way of ditching their enormous contracts.
      3. Not a chance
      4. Closer to a B- C+
      5. B’s are by far my least favourite team, then again I was born in the mid 90′s; so meeting the Leafs in the playoffs has not been a factor enough as it should be for such a rivalry.

      https://twitter.com/#!/IceyMCMatt

    • GenerationYHabs says:

      1. Never. One of the most clutch playoff players of the last couple of years vs someone who completely disapears.
      2. Spacek has a better chance of getting traded then gomez so maybe not.
      3. No. If we sign georges were pretty stacked on D but our forward dept if still a bit on the shallow side
      4.A solid B+
      5.Hard to hate a team that you pity.

  27. SmartDog says:

    Interesting little canape from over at TSN. Apparently Talbot’s new deal with the Flyers may violate league rules because:

    “The final two years of Talbot’s deal are reportedly worth $1 million per year. This would violate cap rules as the final two years of the contract can not be worth less than half of either of the first two years of the deal.”

    Which begs the question, what of Richard’s new deal where he goes from 12 million to 1. What’s being said is that 10 of the 12 million is a ‘signing bonus’. Can you imagine anything more ridiculous?
    And if this can work, is there really any rule to follow anymore?

    • Mike D says:

      The answer to your last two questions is ‘No’. Just pathetic, isn’t it?

      - Honestly yours

    • gauver says:

      I suspect that one of the concessions owners will want from players is that the annual cap hit equal the actual salary. In exchange, owners, players and agents can structure a deal any way they want as long as the team stays under the cap. I am alright with this going forward. To allow the Richards deal is just the latest evidence of a lack of integrity in the NHL.

    • Robert L says:

      They are quoting the wrong CBA stipulation. The rule is that a contract from one year to the next cannot drop by more than half it’s value. Talbot’s salary in year three is $2.5M, then $1M for the final two years. The fix is a simple adjustment, subtracting a quarter mil from year five and adding it to year four.

  28. JohnBellyful says:

    For the old-timers, allow me my belated contributions to hockey players whose names and sobriquets suggest they’d be suited for stardom in porn flicks (drawn from the Original Sex era, of course):

    The Pocket Rocket
    Camille ‘The Eel’ Henry
    Boom Boom Geoffrion
    Bill Hicke
    Dickie Moore
    Jack Bownass

    As for Pouliot landing in Boston – that’s one huge slide – it’s a not-so-subtle move by the Bruins’ GM to embarrass Montreal: To make a silk purse of a sow’s ear. Having won the Cup, he can afford to invest a huge amount of resources to teaching Pouliot how to stay on his feet and prove his former employer wrong. If the experiment proves a success, Chiarelli ensures himself a spot in the Hall of Fame. If it fails, well, he’ll always have the Cup.

  29. lukas-joshua says:

    Josh McFadden
    Defense
    Born May 23 1991 — Guelph, ONT
    Height 6.00 — Weight 200 — Shoots L
    Regular Season Playoffs
    Season Team Lge GP G A Pts PIM +/- GP G A Pts PIM
    2008-09 Mississauga St. Michael’s Majors OHL 47 1 6 7 8 -9 6 1 0 1 6
    2008-09 Mississauga Chargers OJHL 7 3 1 4 32
    2009-10 Mississauga St. Michael’s Majors OHL 16 2 4 6 2 6 — – — – —
    2009-10 Sudbury Wolves OHL 45 2 22 24 26 -8 4 1 2 3 2
    2010-11 Sudbury Wolves OHL 67 19 53 72 74 -31 8 4 2 6 8

  30. ed lopaz says:

    I would like to ask one of the DOG type questions, something that has been bothering me.

    if Martin is so against taking penalties, which its obvious he is, and the coach believes that staying out of the box and having an effective power play are huge factors in any NHL success, which is true,

    then why do the Habs take so many g-d damn penalties??

    1) because the coach and his message are not getting through

    2) because the players are out of position and forced to hook, trip, hold etc to defend

    3) because the Habs do not have enough possession of the puck

    4) another reason not listed here

    • CanadienFanTrappedinNiagaraFallsNY says:

      Though we do have a lot of dumb, retaliatory or senseless penalties, my answer is still option THREE. A RESOUNDING 3 !!!!!

      • FishOutOfWater says:

        well we wont take half as many now that poulio is gone.

        but srsly we have very little offensive pressure and overall puck possession. we lose alot of battle on both ends on the ice. the ones in our own end we loose we take penalties to avoid being scored on. thats not to say we dont take penalties in the offensive side either.

        i think these things will change with cole arriving and patches coming back, heck gionta battles pretty darn well for his size so does desharnais. eller has shown brilliance in taking on the entire opposing team at once. well have some guys back on the d end too that arent too fragile to battle. although, ill miss hammr.

    • Bugs says:

      Because we still get stuck in our zone MUCH too often (more so than the team we had before this two years ago).
      Get desperate.
      Get tired.
      Get frantic.
      More penalties.

      Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

      • habstrinifan says:

        True!

      • Rugger says:

        Actually, 2 years ago we had 495 penalties vs 428 this year.

        • HalifaxHabs says:

          don’t mention facts around Bugs, you could throw him off.

          just buggin Bugs!!!

          • Bugs says:

            Especially if those facts have nothing to do with what he was talking about.

            Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

        • Bugs says:

          Never said we took more penalties than the team we had previous, Ruggie.
          Me, I was talking about our team spending more time in our own zone than than the team we had previous as an answer for Eddie as to why we took so many “goshdang” penalties.
          Never said we took more penalties than the previous team.
          Correct?

          Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

          • Rugger says:

            I stand (actually I am sitting) corrected. That being said, I was quite surprised to see the decline from two years ago in penalties, it is just that the rest of the league has declined more, so it is clear to me that the league has backed off from calling the types of penalties the Habs do not usually take (interference, charging etc, you know all those “Hockey Play” calls).

          • clubdehockey says:

            But if the reason we take so many penalties has to do with the amount of time we spend in our zone, and the current team spends more time in our zone than the previous one, wouldn’t you expect the current team to have more penalties than the previous one?

            Or does that just show inconsistency in reffing from year to year?

          • Bugs says:

            It’s the reason THIS team takes so many “goshdang” penalties, Clubbie.
            The previous team took so many for different reasons. In fact, if I recall correctly, we seemed to specialize in the o-zone penalties, the tripping-and-hooking-once-we-lost-possession type of calls.
            Or maybe, like you say, inconsistency of reffing; who knows?

            Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

    • TomNickle says:

      Puck possession and plug ins on defense.

    • habstrinifan says:

      I have stated many times before, what, in my humble opinion, is the main reason why Canadiens are so penalized.

      It is their style of play, lay back and defend, where they wait for the opponents to attack or carry the play and then they try to ‘thwart the play’ through the chintzy trangressions that you mentioned… hooking, tripping, holding etc.

      Officials, in most sports, are inclined to focus their ‘punitive eye’ on the player who is defending, “trying to thwart” the play.

      It is one reasin why I would like JM to tweak his system.

      I will see if I can find a resource (url) I can use to breakdown the Canadiens penalties. May be a good exercise to pass the time.

    • Rugger says:

      Interesting question. I looked at pm per game this year vs. last year when the Habs were 8th best in pm and the difference is only one penalty per game. However, it seems many teams are now getting much fewer calls against. The B’s are the anomoly, 10% less penalties than the Habs but more minutes due to the 5 minutes & 10 minute misconducts, which I feel do not hurt as much since the 5′s are quite often matching and the 10′s do not leave you shorthanded.

    • BobDobbs says:

      4) Other – because the defense were too old and slow (no longer the case this year)

    • Bripro says:

      I think it’s a combination of issues. Bobdobbs is right about our slow defence, which is better now.
      Size had a lot to do with it also. But I think the primary reason is playing time. Vicious circle…the more the same players are on, the more they make mental mistakes, which causes them to take silly penalties which causes more fatigue…and more mistakes.
      Rugger talks about the Bruins taking fewer minors…that’ll change with daddy Campbell gone….. I hope.

    • The Cat says:

      A mixture of 2 and 3 but mostly 2 I think. They play positional defense and basically the habs are either too slow or too small.
      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

    • Selkie says:

      some times i wonder whats worse taking dumb penalties or man games lost, cause i think the HABS have that record for that as well from a few years past. just can’t wait till they can all play a full season and show where they can reall go!! i do agree with the penalty factor but at the same time for me i hate the new NHL (the cause for most dumb calls these days). but were not debating that just threw that out there. but i also can’t wait for the season to start, few camping trips and the cottage and hockey will be back :) ahhhhhh

    • Propwash says:

      To be no. 1 in penalty killing stats?

    • Nina76 says:

      I would say #3 is the answer & 1/2 of #2

  31. kevin m says:

    Anyone think there’s any way of stealing Dubinsky, Callahan or Boyle from Glen Sather’s Rangers?

    • TomNickle says:

      Dubinsky or Boyle yes, Callahan no. There were rumblings that Callahan would be their next captain. Dubinsky probably doesn’t fit into their long term plans now with Richards and Stepan on the roster, ditto for Boyle.

  32. punkster says:

    Long way to October 6. Even longer to October 29.

    So many line combos, so much time to kill.

    ***Subbang Baby!!!***

  33. HabFab says:

    For all those calling for John Scott. This is his AHL fight with our own Bulldog Captain Alex Henry.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AvYL79Wm70&feature=related

    • TomNickle says:

      And this is John Scott more recently against George Parros.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qx5WwrlVsUk&feature=related

      • Rugger says:

        Much rather have players like White that punish with hits and occasionally jumping in to defend a teammate than another heavyweight doing staged fights.

        • TomNickle says:

          Me too.

        • Bugs says:

          Plus, White looks like a psycho. He looks like a gamer.
          I love that guy.
          I want the psychos, dagnabbit! If we’re gonna DO this, we go all the way, that’s what I say. If we get a bruiser, I want a friggin maniac. A loose-screwed barbarian…who can skate a little, maybe hold on to the puck a bit and complete a decent pass now and again. Other than that, he drops’em whenever someone looks at’m funny, the rookie, the goalie, the assistant-coach, whoever.
          Major penalties be damned if we put the fear of god into our opponents.
          If he’s not a total degenerate who has total contempt for human misery, he’s just a door-stop and I don’t want’m cuz we got plenty of our own.

          Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

          • HabFanSince72 says:

            Trevor Gillies.

          • Rats says:

            To the moon as we know
            from here to there as they go
            they once called their home Montreal
            but PEI is where they now call
            THE ROCKET bugs is the one so.

          • Mr. Biter says:

            Go to the same you tube and watch Scott destroy some Canuck. I just dreamed it was Lucic but he’d have jumped into the Bruin bench before Scott caught him. he could be what we need to protect the skill players and take on the goons who try to punish them. Highly doubt there would have been a “beatdown in Beantown” with Scott on the ice.

            Mr. Biter

  34. mike3131 says:

    To anyone with knowledge of our prospects (SF09 in particular):

    What’s your take on Greg Pateryn? I hear he’s a big/physical d-man and a decent skater as well. Will he play with Hamilton this year? Does he have a shot at making the big club in the near future?

  35. JIMVINNY says:

    I’m not a huge fan of Yandle. Great regular season numbers, but TSN showed a sequence during the playoffs where he totally, TOTALLY gave up on a play which resulted in a game-winning goal against. It may have been a snap shot taken out of context, or it may have been a closer look into a player who doesn’t get very many close looks due to his place of employment.

    Either way, I’d be fine with Gomez going the other way to get him, as long as some measures are taken to replace Gomez. Because as bad as he was last year, he was still a better second line center than anyone else we have in the pipeline.

  36. HabFab says:

    Why does Jerred Smithson name keeps coming up to be signed when he is under contract with Nashville for this and next season?
    Keep it real people….

    • TomNickle says:

      Was he not one of the RFA’s who didn’t get a proper tender?

      I was away for a few days. I must be missing something.

      Edit: I see that he’s signed for the next two seasons. I was under the impression that he was a UFA or headed to free agency. My mistake.

  37. mike3131 says:

    Sorry about Babchuk, HH!

  38. HardHabits says:

    The surest route to getting along with somebody at HIO is having at least one argument with that person first.

  39. Kooch7800 says:

    Max P – Plek’s – Cole
    Gio – Gomez – Cammy
    Kostitsyn – Eller – ???
    White-DD-Moen

    • TomNickle says:

      Cammalleri – Plekanec – Cole
      Pacioretty – Gomez – Gionta
      Desharnais – Eller – Kostitsyn
      Moen – ????? – White

      NOW WE’RE TALKING

      • Hey Tom, I’ll do you one better:

        Cammalleri – Plekanec – Cole
        Pacioretty – Prospal – Gionta
        Kostitsyn– Eller – Desharnais
        Moen – Konopka/White – Darche

        Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

        • TomNickle says:

          No thanks to Prospal. I’d rather have a pissed off Gomez. And I’d really rather the Habs sign Jarred Smithson than Konopka.

          • Stev.R says:

            Everyone should hop on the Smithson bandwagon

          • Mr. Biter says:

            Lets get our hands on Scott from Chicago. He BIG , young, knows his job and what to do to stay in the NHL, not a VEGAN. So he plays 40 games a year. We had lots of guys who sat in the press box and played less than 40 games, however when certain teams come to town (Boston, Boston Boston etc ) he’s on the ice and our teams trips to the infirmy drop dramatically. Guarantee you when Chara crushed Max either Chara or another Bruin would have felt retribution the next shift.
            BTW why sign 2 goalies for 2 mil.(espically one we ditched laat year) when we had AA for 1mil. and we got our money’s worth out of him. Also as much as I like Darche I’d rather have Halpren.

            Mr. Biter

      • Greg says:

        Exactly Tom. Put White in the middle (he’s a natural center, i think) then you got Darche on the wing and that’s a hard working high-energy 4th line. Desharnais-Eller-AK46 could be a very, very good 3rd line.

      • nick says:

        AK is better off with Moen, or someone who can add a physical dimension. AK plays best when he isn’t the one having to make all the hits or play the tough guy on his line. When someone else can lay down the hits, it provides him with a little space for his spontaneous brilliance.

        I would look for someone who puts over 150 hits a season with 15-25 points. I know that sounds like Moen… I dunno, he seems to have gotten softer since he first got here.

        • TomNickle says:

          Andrei Kostitsyn, I find, is at his best when he’s the guy crashing and banging down low. He doesn’t really have the foot speed to be the guy trying to find open areas in the slot.

      • solomio says:

        Neidermeyer?? Sounds Greek to me.

        “I figure PG has one or 2 moves left to bring the Habs that extra step closer to perhaps being the best in the league.” – Einstein

      • solomio says:

        double post
        “I figure PG has one or 2 moves left to bring the Habs that extra step closer to perhaps being the best in the league.” – Einstein

    • Rats says:

      Thats exactly what i want to see, 2 big bodies to play with pleks…..um that didn’t sound good, never mind.

  40. krob1000 says:

    Here is a question…with the way the cap floor has jumped…with all of the icnreases…knwoing who really makes the money in the NHL, which teams really drive things….was this last season a bone being thrown to the big boys to duke it out for one more cup before the CBA ends??? We all know a lockout is inevitable…but revenues are up, things are going well…for most teams….time to let the big spenders spend big before we enter the enw CBA? Give them the advantage they ..rightfully deserve?
    I get as frustrated at the Yanks and BoSox like everyone else but let’s be realistic…they make the money to do it….the Rangers always sucked and still spent…doens;t always guranted success and I understand the idea of growing the game,etc…but c’mon.,,,,the cap floor is more than double what it was at the beginning of the CBA……they gave the small markets some hope but clearly in the last couple of years they have said to heck with it and the scale has tilted back to the bigger budget clubs….no?

    • TomNickle says:

      It’s the players. They exercised their option at raising the cap again.

      Not the owners or league’s doing.

      • krob1000 says:

        yeah but the owners knew where things were headed all along…it would escalate and now it is a free for all for the wealthy…not even necessarily by amrket as Pegula is spending big bucks as is Florida…and they have no taxes…

        • TomNickle says:

          You’re right. That’s why I laughed at people who said the cap would go down. It may be frozen, the floor may be dropped. But it won’t go down from where it is today. Won’t happen. Revenues increase, and the owners dictate that.

          I think the current deal works well for everyone. They should cap the cap at $70 million and take the floor down to $45 million.

          • Stev.R says:

            Revenues are increasing but the major reason for the cap rising is because of how bad the economy is. The dollar isn’t what it used to be. We pay 4.5 a year for Cole where 5 years ago we would have paid 3. It’s a difference of 1.5m but in relation to the value of the dollar, it is the same thing. It’s exactly the same thing that happens to products like bread; bread used to be 50 cents, not it’s 2 bucks.

            Alot of teams were somewhat smart and they signed players to long term deals with a cap hit around 5-6m. Five years later, 5-6m dollars really isn’t alot for a top line guy when compared to the value of the dollar. However, the problem with these long term deals is that within the next ten years, one of two things will happen. Either the economy crashes (which leads to a great depression and maybe no more professional sports), or the economy gets fixed. Which will lead to a strengthening of the dollar, and prices going down, and teams getting stuck with outrageously high contracts to pay.

  41. songles says:

    Phoenix only has three roster positions left and they need to make up $8M. Gomez would do it in almost a single shot. The problems are: 1) Gomez’s contract doesn’t actually become a good deal until the following season, when his salary falls below the cap hit and 2) he will probably list Pheonix as one of his three places not to be traded to.

    But if they could move him, I’d take Yandle and trade a defensive prospect.

    • He might list Phoenix, but he only gets to list three teams, and NYI is very likely one of them. You’ve got to think Edmonton would be in there too, and possibly Winnipeg, Florida, Tampa…

      On that note, there’s something really great about knowing that your local team is never going to be on any player’s “3-teams-you-can’t-trade-me-to” list. :)

      Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

  42. Hobie Hansen says:

    I had to laugh because I’d never heard of John Scott before. I heard the Habs and hawks were talking trade so I looked at their roster and saw John Scott.

    I doubt the guy can even shoot a puck and I woudn’t want him on our team but I’d love to see the look on some of the Bruins faces if this guy was in our lineup next season.

    6’8″ 260 Lbs. I’d love to see him go after Chara.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=985bd9nTDGA

    • TomNickle says:

      Raffi Torres misplaced his cojones after Scott was put into the Blackhawks lineup in the playoffs.

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        The standings and the score is what counts but there’s always that little voice in the back of my head that wants retribution.

        Lucic drives me up the wall. From him beating up Komisarek back in the day, to him running Spacek and taunting our guys after the whistle, I’d love top see someone in a Habs uniform beat the living %$#@ out of him.

    • _Habsoloutly_ says:

      and people here say Konopka can’t play and is a “plug”. If Konopka is a plug then I wonder what this guy is?

    • I dunno, if we get a one-dimensional goon like that, better than he be a forward and not a defenceman, because if the Blackhawks only saw fit to use him for six minutes a game, I’d hate to have to share the rest of the D’s time between just five guys — especially aging guys like Spacek and Gil, and even more so if someone gets injured. Also, we’ve already got more defenceman than we can use, and I can’t see sending any of them to Chicago in exchange for him (unless he comes with some nice picks or prospects).

      That’s why I’m all for Stortini — defensively responsible, dirt cheap, doesn’t mind sitting out, works his butt off, and completely expendable. : )

      Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

      • kempie says:

        I’d pay this guy $500k to sit in the pressbox until he hears his name called. And yeah, I’d only ever insert him if we needed to, on the 4th line. A few times this past season, he could have been called upon. If that’s how the league wants to roll, then this is our guy. 6’8″, 260 and a healthy dose of penitetiary-bound batshit crazy. And, no, he can’t play. He’s not here to play tonight. He’s here to take one shift, chase you down (Chara, Lucic, whomever), punch your ******* lights out in the most humiliating, nationally televised beatdown ever posted on Youtube, take his suspension or charges or whatever and go back to the pressbox. Repeat as necessary.

        I shouldn’t have said that out loud I guess.

      • HabFab says:

        Chicago generally played (sorry! should read dressed) him as a winger. However, perhaps Bieska of the Canucks said it best when asked what he would do if challenged by Scott to a fight…” Skate around him.”

    • Chuck says:

      111 NHL games, 1 goal, 3 assists. At a $512,000 cap hit, suit him up for 40 games, including all of the ‘necessary’ ones.

  43. krob1000 says:

    What would it take to sweeten the pot and get Doan out of PHX?
    Could Cammi play center?
    If we had Doan and Cole along with Pacioretty, Eller, Andrei…are we that small that Desharnais could not be a second line center?
    How good would the D be with Subban-Yandle-Markov…what insurance if one went down. bealieu and Tinordi make the future bright and Bennet and Nash look serviceable also.

    We have several guys in the system who are in positions that afford us time….our time to make a run with this bunch is now and for the next 2-3 years with this core group.
    Could we possibly move Gomez, Spacek, Gorges, Weber and a 1st for Doan and Yandle???
    PHX would be 7 million closer to the floor, with Spacek coming off the books and two promising young dmen in Weber and Gorges. They would get a decent center in Gomez with 5 million in real savings, they would be deep enough to make it to the playoffs which means more revenue and is realistically PHX’s objective anymore…to make the playoffs, make the team more attractive to prospective buyers, etc. I think this deal may just do all of these things for them. We happen to have the luxury of depth on D and just stocked the cupboards again…which begs the question…why? why did we do that when it appeared our needs were up front?
    With Subban/YAndle moving forward we are set along with Beaulieu for when Markov’s days are gone.
    We are very gritty and scrappy up front with Cole and Doan….while also adding some size, speed and actually increasing our offensive output IMO. We would be instant contenders IMO and actually have cap room to fill out the d with O’Brien/Mara types too with room to pick up a checking center at the deadline.

    It would never happen and my valuations are probably waaaaay off but man….wouldn’t it be nice?

    • Hey krob, you’ve got to think the nine fans that actually show up to Coyotes games would be pretty ticked if Doan were dealt though.

      But what the heck. I’d proposed Gomez, Gorges and a 2nd for Yandle down below, and this isn’t such a stretch from that. Subtract Weber from that deal, and it works for me, and it works out to Doan for Spacek and an upgrade from a 2nd to a 1st. That’s not actually soooo crazy… : )

      Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

  44. SeriousFan09 says:

    Just in from Canadiens.com:

    They have invited OHLer Josh McFadden of the Sudbury Wolves to Camp: The 6′, 200lb Left-hand shooting D had 19G, 53A in a breakout campaign in 67GP this past season after a total of 5G, 32A in his previous 108GP. McFadden also added up 4G, 2A in 8 playoff games this past year.

    His going undrafted may have had something to do with his -31 this past year. Defensive improvements will be a must if he’s signed.

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
    SF09 on Twitter

  45. Bugs says:

    Is it ok if I wait to see him in action for a FULL YEAR before certifying Pac-Man’s status as a “power-forward”?
    Cuz Chris Higgins was a “power-forward” too.
    And José Théodore was a Hart Trophy winner.
    Half a season, folks. Is it too much to ask for confirmation afore leapin off the rooftop with Pac-Man wings?

    Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

  46. lukas-joshua says:

    I would trade Gomez and a 1st for Turris

  47. SeriousFan09 says:

    Disappointed to see only one undrafted player invited to this camp, MTL could have done better about checking out the scrap heap, still say LW Justin Thomas out of the OHL Sault St. Marie Greyhounds deserves a look.

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
    SF09 on Twitter

  48. Hobie Hansen says:

    Bottom line for me right now guys; I’m pretty excited to have two power forwards for the top six!

    A year ago at this time Cole obviously wasn’t around and Pacioretty was just a hopeful…

    I’ve done a lot of grumbling about being bigger and tougher but now that we have Cole, Pacioretty and two guys with size in kostitsyn and Eller looking like they’ll play together on the third line, I’m happier.

    Moen and White have hearts of a lion and we should be ok with them but either of them are in the super heavyweight class. If Gauthier brought in one more monster you’d never hear a complaint about our roster from me again!

    Screw the summer – is it October yet?

  49. Shiloh says:

    Trotter, if I recall correctly, was a real up-and-comer in Hamilton at one time. Maybe we’re due for a breakout season from one of our own guys, instead of having to take a flyer at free agency or a trade. It would sure be nice.

  50. CMAC1978 says:

    Not too sure if anyone mentioned it. But, if we were planning on trading Gomez and some decent prospects to Phoenix. Would asking for Kyle Turris over KY be outrageous? Turris could end up being that big center that we’ve been dreaming about for years. Would also be on the cheap in terms of cap space, leaving tons of room to re-sign Price and PK next year.

    I’d like to see our lines look something like this

    Cole/Plecks/Cammy
    Gionta/Eller/Max Power
    AK46/Turris/??

    Mind you this would mean including DD in the trade, but you have to give to get.

    • I don’t think they’d want to lose Turris — especially seeing as they’re so thin at centre. The talk around Yandle is because he’s an RFA who looks like he may not want to re-sign with them, potentially forcing them to deal his rights (or wait for an offer sheet, I guess).

      Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

  51. DrA says:

    PG is very methodical and conservative in his approach. Notice how most of the contracts end within 3 years. The only long-term contracts should be for Price and PK. How long should they be?

    • TomNickle says:

      He gave Plekanec a six year deal. Cole got a four year deal. Markov at anything more than one year was a risk.

      I don’t think his approach is conservative at all. He traded Halak after all. Trading Price would have been the conservative move.

      • DrA says:

        I did say “most contracts”. I meant financially prudent. Also, any thoughts on length for PK and CP?

        • TomNickle says:

          Even still, the money Markov and Cole got isn’t peanuts. I really don’t think he’s conservative at all. I would agree with methodical, but not conservative.

          • DrA says:

            I do not completely disagree, but he still has 8M is cap space! Quite remarkable really.

      • JayBee says:

        How was that a risk?

        He had a 5th overall, blue chip goalie who was big and quick…who had an average season…but was very young. On the other hand he had a smallish, goalie who played very well in the playoffs but got burnt out every 4 games and was getting pushed around in his crease.

        I would have done exactly what PG did and so would a lot of people. IMO, it wasn’t much of a risk. It’s not like Price was ever awful.

        But you tend to ride with PG and Gainey so I’m not surprised by your response. PG is VERY conservative….so is Gainey.

        • TomNickle says:

          Uh huh. Yep. No risk in trading away your playoff hero that an entire city adored. None at all.

          • JayBee says:

            I don’t think it’s that big of a risk to tell you the truth. I could understand if they won the cup with him, but they won 2 series and got throttled in the 3rd one. I really don’t think it was that big of a risk. GM’s in almost every case will pick the blue chip, younger goalie.

            I like Halak, but I saw a number of holes in his game that I didn’t like. He played great in a couple series and that was pretty much it.

            Kovalev had a bigger following and so did Koivu and management had no issue with walking away from them.

          • TomNickle says:

            I’m sorry Jaybee but trading Halak was a risk that would have gotten Gauthier fired if it blew up in his face.

            I understand your point. And I wouldn’t trade Price unless a phenomenal package were on the table. But moving Halak was a big risk nonetheless.

    • Even for the most dependable players with the brightest futures, I’d say 5-6 years is a maximum reasonable period for any contract at all. Even a guy like Ovechkin — a can’t-miss superstar who’s likely to stay one for a long time — could get badly hurt (especially the way he plays) and go the way of Rick DiPietro. Every player out there is just just one ugly hit away from the end of his career, or at least a greatly diminished potential.

      Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

  52. TomNickle says:

    I think this whole looking to trade for a defenseman thing is a bunch of media fabrication.

    If Gauthier was so dead set on acquiring a high end defenseman who can contribute offensively. He would have signed Wisniewski.

    I find it much more likely that he could be looking for another Erik Cole type. So if he’s talking to Phoenix, maybe he’s after Doan. Makes more sense to me than Yandle.

    If he’s talking to Chicago, maybe it’s about Hossa, Sharp or Frolik.

    I can’t see it being a defenseman when he could’ve signed Wisniewski without trading assets.

    • adesbarats says:

      I would agree with this except for one crucial point – we haven’t signed Gorges yet. The delay in signing Gorges has me wondering – are they having difficulty coming to terms? If so, a trade including Gorges to Phoenix for Yandle is not far fetched.

    • JayBee says:

      Then why would he offer Hamr a contract? PG will go after another Dman.

      • TomNickle says:

        Perhaps Weber was a backup plan and Gauthier intended on trading him prior to Hamrlik turning him down.

        • JayBee says:

          And maybe you’re completely wrong.

          • TomNickle says:

            Of course, we’re speculating. Which means that your opinion is no less speculative than mine. Hamrlik getting an offer when two other defensemen are restricted free agents isn’t a definite signal that Gauthier needs or wants another dman.

  53. joeybarrie says:

    So as we are all anxiously awaiting news about a possible trade with Chicago…. I think we should be looking to steal a player from Washington.
    500k in cap space and has yet to come to terms with Karl Alzner (their 5th overall choice in 2007). They have yet to come to terms with Brouwer (trading away their first round draft pick this season). And have yet to come to terms with Perrault (however he may be signed to play in the AHL this season).

    But to me they are ripe for a trade. Eric Fehr, Jeff Schultz, and maybe even Semin… (long shot I know, but they are left without the ability to sign some good potential- and he is a UFA next year)

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  54. Hey folks, I haven’t posted in ages, but those of you who know me know I can’t resist playing armchair GM, especially on a slow news day, and especially this time of year. And sorry for the double post — I’d put this up on another thread not long before this one got created. :)

    So here’s what I’d try to get done — no wild and crazy Heatley-for-Havlat stuff, just a few low-risk high-potential-reward moves that I think are reasonable.

    - Swap Gomez, Gorges and a 2nd for Yandle: Yandle is a great big budding defenceman who doesn’t want to sign in Phoenix, where they’re also paper-thin at centre and could use a high cap-hit guy with a lowish cost to meet the cap floor without breaking their itty-bitty bank. Plus a rare player with Mexican heritage could be a marketing boon for a team that can’t sell tickets in a state where 29% of the population is Latino. Gorges and Gomez together aren’t as attractive in a trade as Yandle, but that’s what the 2nd-rounder is for. I’d hate to see Gorges go with his work ethic, youth, great stay-at-home potential and low cost, but you’ve got to give something to get something. Best-case scenario: Yandle is a top-2guy when Markov retires. Worst-case: he ends up about as good as Gorges does except more physical, and we basically give up a second-rounder to free up $7.4M in cap space for two years. Not good, but not bad as far as worst-case scenarios go.

    - Sign Prospal for $2.5M: Sure he’s 36. He also got 23 points in 29 games after his injury last year, and we’ll need insurance at centre in case Eller and Desharnais don’t work out on the 2nd line. Give him two years to seal the deal — at his age and with his injury history, he’ll want the insurance. Best case: he works great with Pax and Gionta and he gets 50 or 60 points. Worst-case: 30 points on the 3rd line centering Desharnais and Kostitsyn, for not a lot of money and only through next season. Sounds like a low risk to me.

    - Pick up Stortini, now that Edmonton has officially cut him loose: Keep him in the press box when we’re not playing the Bruins/Flyers/Leafs/etc. Cup contenders have guys like this: can drop the gloves, works as hard as anyone on the team, doesn’t mind sitting out, defensively responsible, and dirt cheap. Best case: he sticks up for our guys through 40 or 50 games and ends the year with an even plus-minus. Worst case: he turns vegan, joins the Green party and refuses to fight, so we put him on waivers. We can’t lose here.

    - Sign Konopka: Might be easier said than done, because he’ll be getting a lot of offers, but with Gomez gone, we’ve got tons of room to throw an extra $200k or $300k at him to sweeten the deal. He’s not perfect defensively, but he blocks shots like a fiend and will give everything he has to help the team win. Best case: he protects his teammates, takes clutch faceoffs and ends the year with an even plus-minus. Worst case: Ryan White is a natural centre and can fill in on the 4th line for him.

    So we end up with:

    Cammy-Pleks-Cole
    Pacioretty-Eller/Prospal-Gionta
    AK46-Prospal/Eller-Desharnais/Darche
    Moen-Konopka-White/Stortini

    Markov-Subban
    Spacek-Yandle
    Gill-Weber/Yemelin

    Here’s how it all works out capwise, with $6.8M to spare: http://www.capgeek.com/cap_calculator/roster.php?id=4053

    Whaddaya say? Am I crazy? And if you know Gauthier, feel free to pass him my cell number. : )

    Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

    • SmartDog says:

      You have my vote! The rationale for the Yandle trade is really good!

      Gauthier is calling you now! Pick up! Pick up!!!

    • habs_r_us says:

      phoenix wouldn’t part with yandle and if they did they would get more back then gorges and gomez,

      id have to think that we could pack gomez with kostitsyn to phoenix and they would accept that. gomez is easily replaced with desharnais and kostitsyn can be replaced with a free agent such as langenbrunner we would have all the cap space in the world after that so we could even throw an offer sheet at a skilled forward on a cap tight team

      • Phoenix surely wants to sign Yandle, but it’s sounding more and more like Yandle doesn’t want to sign with them. I don’t blame the guy — given the choice (and a guy like him has lots of choice), who’d want to sign with a team with no ownership and no fans, and play in an empty arena until the team moves to Kansas City/Las Vegas in a year?

        Re: AK, I’d happily replace Gorges with AK in the deal (he costs more, is less consistent, and has a potential that’s harder to gauge) but if I were Phoenix I think I’d rather have a solid young defenceman coming into his own to replace a better one going the other way, rather than a player like AK who’s more of a gamble. Still though, either one works for me, and I like AK, but I’d be less sorry to see him go than Gorges. : )

        Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

    • natethegreat says:

      “Worst-case: he ends up about as good as Gorges does except more physical”-about Keith Yandle

      you do know Keith Yandle had a grand total of 30 hits last year??? (not to mantion twice as many more give aways than take aways) Georges had 55 hits in only 30-odd games! and georges(6’1”, 200) is a bigger player than Yandle (6’1”, 195)

      needless to say i disagree with your statment. also, that trade wouldn’t happen anyways.

      as for stortini, if he sucks sooo bad that he can’t even play for edmonton, then why would we get him. he can’t play a regular shift!. the boston players will just laugh as he rolls around on the ice trying to skate!

      i really hope PG stays away from Stortini!

      i will say tho, that i like the prospal and konopka ideas.

      • Hi Nate,

        Hmm, my bad, I’d thought Yandle hit more than that. Still though, he’s an offensive presence who still had one of the best +/-’s on his team, and he’s only going to get better.

        I don’t know what happened with Stortini in Edmonton, but he was a respectable -2 on a terrible team, and the worst that can happen is he ends up on waivers. I say give him a shot.

        And yeah, I’d love to see Prospal in particular, for all the reasons above. Thanks!

        Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

        • Stev.R says:

          My friends a huge Oilers fan and this is his scouting report on Stortini: “He fights every game, and gets his ass kicked every game”

  55. Hobie Hansen says:

    With mention of Yandle in a possible trade and Gauthier possibly looking at Nashville’s defense, I wonder why he hasn’t made an attempt to sign Shane O’Brien who’s a UFA?

    O’Brien seemed to be blamed for a bunch of defensive break downs in Vancouver but I’ve heard nothing but good things about him after a solid season and playoff in Nashville last year.

    I thought the Habs would be set in terms of offensive defensemen with Markov and Subban but I guess he’s looking for a 3rd guy who can chip in. probably incase an injury occurs.

    Makes sense I guess?

    • HalifaxHabs says:

      sort of, but the only thing I’d say is the Habs consider Yandle a much greater value than O’Brien.

      Yandle would be a key cog for the future top 4, where as O’Brien would be 3rd pairing, IMO

      Maybe he’s waiting to make his trade before adding that 8th defenceman. Maybe he still takes a run at O’Brien after this trade happens(if it ever does).

    • TomNickle says:

      I think it’s BS Hobie. This looking for another defenseman thing. I keep thinking about what defenseman he would move out or demote to make room for an acquisition on defense and can’t come up with one. I suppose if an elite defenseman were available Gorges’ name could pop up. But usually when you trade an rfa you have to sacrifice a bit of return because the player isn’t under contract.

      I suppose something like Gorges, Gomez and a high pick or prospect could get you an excellent defenseman but who replaces Gomez?

      Also, on Yandle. There are a lot of other teams who could offer better packages and still pay him than we can.

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        I could be wrong but I can’t possibly see Spacek playing regularly?

        So that leaves Weber and Yemelin as the last paring.

        I was thinking maybe Gauthier would try and sign one more solid defender…

        Maybe not?

        • TomNickle says:

          I just think he would have signed Wisniewski if he was looking that desperately for a defenseman. Why give up assets for a defenseman when he could have signed Wiz ya know?

          I think he’ll trade Spacek to Detroit and sign a couple of depth defensemen, perhaps O’Brien will be one of them.

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            Wizniewski was pissed, by the sounds of it, that he wasn’t resigned either.

            That comment he made about being used by Montreal…he sounded angry.

          • TomNickle says:

            He’s off base saying that in my opinion. He just used Montreal for a lucrative contract too. He was doing well on Long Island but there’s no way he would have received the media attention there that he got playing for the Habs.

            He also enjoyed a significant talent upgrade when he came to Montreal. It’s a two way street.

      • Gomez’s job on the 2nd line would be Eller’s to lose, and and if I’m PG I give Prospal $2.5M for 2 years as an insurance policy.

        Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

    • I don’t think PG would want to add another defenceman, but I can definitely see him wanting to upgrade what we’ve got. If Markov gets hurt — let’s hope he doesn’t but it’s still something a GM needs to plan for — our PP will have just one D-man with proven NHL offence in Subban, and two unproven ones in Weber and Yemelin. I like Spacek, Gill and Gorges, but they contribute very little offensively.

      Yandle does both, has more upside than O’Brien, and is young enough to be a lot better still in a couple of years — right around the time Markov is ready to hang up his skates or play a diminished role. But if he comes to Montreal (or any top-4 defenceman does for that matter), at least one of our defencemen is going the other way, otherwise we’ll just have too much of a logjam on the blue line.

      Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

  56. Thomas Le Fan says:

    Who the hell would actually want Heatley? The guy’s poison.
    Anyway, do any of you “fans” who constantly whine about the one that got away and wimper about who we’re left with and bemoan that we can’t just have a ninety man roster with every good player in the league and endlessly complain that Gauthier and Martin are morons for not doing this or that … ever actually take the time to read your posts and think about what you sound like? Whaaambulance callers! Sheesh.

    Go Habs!

  57. AK_PK_Usay says:

    Is it me of Washington got Vokoun for peanuts…

    • TomNickle says:

      It certainly was an interesting move. Apparently they’re planning on keeping Holtby or Neuvirth in the AHL. Or trading one of them.

      • Chuck says:

        You think that the Flyers are feeling like they overpaid a little on their goaltending?

        • TomNickle says:

          Not necessarily. After all, they’re a team who have been looking for an answer at that position for more than two decades. I’m not a huge Bryzgalov fan and think that Dave Tippet helped him out quite a bit. But at the end of the day, they really did need a goaltender who can give the rest of the group confidence.

        • Duracell3 says:

          I don’t think so, Voukun is taking a 1 year deal nowhere near what he could have got long term, I think philly would like some consistency for years to come, at least that kind of thinking may help them sleep at night.

          I see the Caps trading either Voukun or Neuvirth under a number of circumstances.

          • TomNickle says:

            If I was McPhee and I got a 1st and 2nd round pick for Varlamov. I’d be looking to trade every one of my goalies.

    • ManApart says:

      They really did. Barely more than we got for Budaj. Mcphee really did a beautiful job upgrading his team. They had all the skill in the world, but were missing some key playoff role guys like Ward, Brouwer, Hamrlik, Halpern and a real top goalie like Vokoun. We all know, they finish tops every year in the regular season, now I put them as favorites to go to the Cup finals, along with Philly.

      • TomNickle says:

        Really? Philly eh?

        That team is really a house of cards in my opinion. They really need them to hold together to do any damage. I guess you could say the same of anyone but I think their risk of imploding is a lot greater than most now.

        I thought Washington was a Cup contender this year. Another year of Carlson and Alzner developing probably would’ve meant an easier workload on whatever young goalie they wanted to go with. But Vokoun wasn’t expensive. Much better contract than Bryzgalov’s.

    • JF says:

      That signing makes the Avalanche’s trading draft picks for Varlamov look worse than it already did. The Caps have made a number of good moves, but I still think they need a different coach.

  58. Psycho29 says:

    Is that a picture of a young Stephen Harper in a Habs’ sweater???
    :-)

    Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

  59. HardHabits says:

    Nice to see that Daniel PRIBYL is going to attend.

  60. Bugs says:

    Here’s Marco Pierre White on Trotter:
    Pt1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-D8Wzqs-xc
    Pt2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59wk8G9QVaE&feature=related
    (there’s a young face in the crowd you might recognize)

    Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

  61. habsfansince91 says:

    For those that don’t know, the reason we don’t have our other prospects (Tinordi, Leblanc, Kristo, etc.) attending this camp is because they already went to the first development camp that was held. Prospects are permitted to attend only one of the two and not both.

  62. HabFanSince72 says:

    Anyone going to see the B-52s tonight?

  63. HABSGUARDIANANGEL says:

    its 2012, the end of the world is upon us, only fitting montreal wins its 25th cup

  64. TommyB says:

    11 players, 2 on-ice sessions daily. And they are all young prospects, mostly drafted this year? I’d like to see it just to witness how creative the coaching/training staff can be with only 11 bodies on the ice…twice a day. Hope your skates are sharp, boys.

  65. shaunshaunthehabricon says:

    Missed a great chance for this headline:
    Welcome Back Trotter

  66. NDGhabsfan says:

    The Wild get Heatley and we get Trotter. Sometimes BG PG pragmatism is exhausting.

    From failing hands…

    • HABSGUARDIANANGEL says:

      i’m not a heatley fan personally

      • HalifaxHabs says:

        agreed Habsguardianangel

        we had a little spat this weekend Guardian, but I’m man enough to get over it if you are. If you’re going to be a regular poster we might as well get along, because I’m here all the time, lol.

      • NDGhabsfan says:

        He’s inconsistent but dangerous and a true marquee player. Erik Cole is badass but nowhere near the same level as heatley or havlat. He DOES have a ring though. Then again so does Gomer.

        From failing hands…

        • ZepFan2 says:

          He’s “dangerous” alright.

          Especially if you’re a passenger in the car he’s driving.

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    • HalifaxHabs says:

      And the Wild gave up Marion Gaborik for Heatley, and we gave up no one for Trotter. I know it’s fun to hate on PG, but this is kind of a ridiculous compairison.

      Who would you have given up that’s at least as valuable as Gaborik on the Habs? would you move Cammy, Subban, or Price for Heatley? Stupid question I know… sorta like compairing the Habs signing Trotter, with the Wild trading Gaborik for Heatley.

  67. Feraco says:

    If the Habs were looking to acquire a big name player in a trade, examples – Keith Yandel or Brian Suter of Nashville, what kind of package would that require? Also, would anyone be willing to move (a package of) Pactioretty, Georges, Weber, + picks or prospects to land them?

  68. Hoegarden says:

    For all you lucky folks in Montreal;

    Re; The Montreal Canadiens announced Monday that 11 players will participate in the second part of the Club’s development camp, set to take place from July 6-8, at the Bell Sports Complex, in Brossard.

    I hope we get lots of posts from those of you attending on how Pateryn and Pribyl do at this mini camp.

    • Feraco says:

      Thats the thing…if Pacs, PK and Price are off the table, leaving Cammi, Gio, Markov…moving one of those players for another such as Yandle or Suter would be a wash, so I wouldn’t see it happening.

      Which answers my questions of whether MTL could put together a package for Yandle or Suter at the same time making them an overall better team. My answer is no.

    • Feraco says:

      Thats the thing…if Pacs, PK and Price are off the table, leaving Cammi, Gio, Markov…moving one of those players for another such as Yandle or Suter would be a wash, so I wouldn’t see it happening.

      Which answers my questions of whether MTL could put together a package for Yandle or Suter at the same time making them an overall better team. My answer is no…sad but looks to be the truth!

      Not alot of players on the team I would trade. When its all said and done we have a good team.

      All respect to Spach but would rather have Hammer in his place for 2 yrs at 3.5m.

  69. Chuck says:

    Oh, and maybe it’s just because I’m in a pissy mood today, but I’ve also had it with the Booins championship swag that keeps getting advertised on here.

    I don’t care if the Habs win the cup this season. Their sole mission should be to ensure that those disgusting Beantowners don’t repeat.

  70. Chuck says:

    By the way, I’m kind of tiring of the “I pretending that I’m a nasty S.O.B. and am going to carve out your eye with my stick” pose in which all young players seem to be photographed.

    • HalifaxHabs says:

      I’m going to make a new suggestion

      The Habs hire cheerleaders(for photo’s only, not for games), and then all player pictures feature the player standing between two half-naked models in bikini’s.

      Call me crazy, but it just might work.

  71. HABSGUARDIANANGEL says:

    I doubt he’ll make the team, but you never knowing barring injuries, either way he defiantly strenghtens the bulldogs line up, good signing, I’m really curious to see if any prospects , and if so which join the dogs this season.

  72. HABSGUARDIANANGEL says:

    why arnt we inviting all out prospects ??

    • Feraco says:

      Straight speculation, but perhaps they want to focus attention on guys who they have not had the opportunity to sit and talk to + watch them play.

      Having the big boys – Kristo, Leblanc, Tinordi, Diaz, Emelin, Trotter etc would overshadow some of the lesser known prospects.

      Again, speculation.

      • HABSGUARDIANANGEL says:

        yea you are probably right, i was reaaly kinda hoping to have beaulieu, meet and play with his future team mates, guess he;ll have to wait a year

    • mbplekfan says:

      This appears to more of an orientation type camp. The players will be evaluated and introduced to the habs system of development. They will be given goals and expectations, as well as training programs they can follow.

      This isnt a hard core make the team camp.

  73. HalifaxHabs says:

    I know Louis is still recovering from surgery, but why isn’t Tinordi going? because he already went to first one?

    Robert? Tom?

    • HabFab says:

      The Habs started splitting their Prospect camp in two last summer. This is for the new draftee’s and those that couldn’t make the first camp.

      • HABSGUARDIANANGEL says:

        would have like to see all prospects together, get the team chemistry going on early in their careers.

        • HabFab says:

          That happens at Rookie camp just before the regular training camp. The Prospect camp tests them and allows the Habs to develop training programs, nutritional guide lines etc and area’s they want each player to work on over the summer.

          • HABSGUARDIANANGEL says:

            yea cept without our fresh new talent, ahh well next year well see beaulieu, tinordi, archambault lebanc kristo, sick starting 5

      • HalifaxHabs says:

        thx HabFab

  74. Sean Bonjovi says:

    Does anyone know if Trotter eligible for waivers?

  75. avatar_58 says:

    I liked Trotter in hamilton and rooted for his callup. However since he left I honestly have a bad taste in my mouth. I hope he wins me over again this season

    • Feraco says:

      I think he left on good terms in the sense he would get more playing time in the KHL. Having him back after a year with older players to have him better prepared for the NHL was probably always in their plans.

      • avatar_58 says:

        How so though? He would have been in the top 6 in hamilton. When players went down he might have been recalled over Dawes or Palushaj – so what exacty did he accomplish by going over?

        To me it sort of screamed of “I don’t wan to play in the AHL” and now he has the mark of a guy who will bolt if offered more money. I don’t like players like that.

  76. GenerationYHabs says:

    Unless by some miracle PG knows somethign we don’t and is working on a deal to unload Spacek.


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