Canadiens acquire John Scott as Jarred Tinordi goes to Coyotes; Alex Galchenyuk back on wing

Jared Boll, John Scott

STU COWAN
MONTREAL GAZETTE

The Canadiens have added an all-star to their roster.

But before you get too excited, that all-star is John Scott.

Scott, a 6-foot-8, 260-pound forward with one assist and 25 penalty minutes in 11 games this season with the Arizona Coyotes, was acquired by Canadiens GM Marc Bergevin on Friday afternoon, along with minor-league defenceman Victor Bartley, in exchange for defenceman Jarred Tinordi and minor-league forward Stefan Fournier. Scott will report to the Canadiens’ AHL farm team in St. John’s, while Bartley will join the Canadiens in St. Louis, where the play the Blues Saturday night (7 p.m., SN, TVA Sports, TSN Radio 690).

Scott was voted by fans — obviously with a sense of humour and/or mischief — as one of four captains for the NHL All-Star Game on Jan. 31 in Nashville, which will be a three-on-three tournament. If Scott stays in the AHL, the NHL could rule him inelegible for the All-Star Game.

P.K. Subban is the only other Canadien named to the All-Star Game.

The deal puts an end to the Tinordi saga that dragged on throughout the first half of the season as the former first-round draft pick was made a healthy scratch night after night, playing only three games for the Canadiens while being held pointless. He was sent to St. John’s for a conditioning stint at one point, picking up two assists in six games. Tinordi was selected 22nd overall at the 2010 NHL entry draft.

“We are fortunate to have a lot of depth on the blue line and for that reason it became difficult for Jarred to earn a regular spot on our roster,” Bergevin said in a statement released by the Canadiens Friday night. “He showed great professionalism and kept a positive attitude. We wish him the best of luck with his new organization.”

Bartley had one assist in 14 games this season with the AHL’s Milwaukee Admirals. He has played 112 NHL games with the Nashville Predators, scoring one goal and adding 22 assists.

“Victor Bartley, 27, is a defenceman with good size with over 100 games played at the NHL level,” Bergevin said. “He adds depth to the group of defencemen of our organization. Steady on the blue line he has shown at the junior and the AHL levels that he can also contribute offensively.”

As for Scott, Bergevin said: “At 33, John Scott is a seasoned veteran with 285 NHL games under his belt. He will be bring experience to our group of forwards with the IceCaps in St. John’s.”

While it doesn’t seem like much of a return for a former first-round draft pick, the deal was easier for Bergevin to make since Tinordi wasn’t his pick. Pierre Gauthier was general manager when the Canadiens selected the 6-foot-6 defenceman, who should now finally get a chance to play with the Coyotes.

When asked after practice last week if he had received any message from the Canadiens about what the future might hold for him, the 23-year-old Tinordi said: “No. Like I said, I’m just taking it one day at a time, working hard in practice. I thought I did a good job when I got my opportunity in there, played some strong hockey, so we’ll see what happens.

The focus now will be on whether Scott will play at the All-Star Game. He was voted in by fans as captain of the Pacific Division team, but the NHL and the Coyotes had asked him not to attend. He said he was going to play.

“It’s one of those things where I don’t want to be made a joke of, I don’t want to be an embarrassment, I don’t want to embarrass the game in that way,” Scott told Fox Sports Arizona’s Todd Walsh after being voted in as an all-star captain. “I talked to some people, I talked to a lot of former players and everyone just said ‘go have fun with it and it’ll be a good experience.’” 

Scott has been a healthy scratch for most of the season and was even placed on waivers at one point by the Coyotes.

“I talked to a lot of guys in my position throughout the last few weeks and it’s kind of nice,” Scott said after the all-star announcement was made. “I’ve grinded out a career here. It’s not easy being the odd man out (or) the odd man in. You never know where you stand, you never know if you’re going to play or not, you get sent down, you’re a forward or (defenceman).

“It’s one of those things where it’s a grind and just to get a little recognition is fun. I hope all the guys, who have been in my position, can take a little grasp of this and say ‘we did something.’”

In 285 career NHL games, Scott has five goals, six assists and 542 penalty minutes.

As for Tinordi, he should now finally get a chance to play with the Coyotes.

“Long story short, we think he’s a young player with upside,” Coyotes general manager Don Maloney said on the team’s website. “Jarred’s style of play is attractive to us. I know the league is going to mobile and puck-moving (defencemen), but you still need somebody in front of the net to protect your goalie and somebody with a little jam to his game. That’s what he has.”

(Photo by Ross D. Franklin/The Associated Press)

• John Scott becomes latest character in As the Habs Turn, by Stu Cowan

Growing pains continue for Galchenyuk

What does Alex Galchenyuk have to do to become the No. 1 centre with the Canadiens?

That was one of the questions put to coach Michel Therrien following Friday’s optional skate in Brossard before the team headed to St. Louis.

Galchenyuk finished Thursday’s 3-1 loss to the Chicago Blackhawks at the Bell Centre playing at left wing on a line with David Desharnais at centre and Paul Byron on the right.

“For us, you got to make sure you’re really responsible,” Therrien said. “For him as a young centreman, depending against who you play — and he was playing with young kids, he was playing lots of time with Danny Carr or (Sven) Andrighetto — those are young kids.”

Carr and Andrighetto were both sent down to the AHL’s St. John’s IceCaps on Friday morning, while Jacob de la Rose was called up. Therrien explained that he wanted more size on his fourth line and de la Rose is 6-foot-3 and 214 pounds.

“It’s tough for young players to play against top players in the league,” Therrien said about Galchenyuk as a centreman. “So it’s a process. They got a lot of responsibility, but yesterday playing with Desharnais I felt a little bit less responsibility defensively and he could concentrate about trying to generate more offensively. I think they had good scoring chances in the third (period). I thought those two together they were good.”

Galchenyuk logged 16:21 of ice time and had four shots on goal. However, he really struggled in the faceoff circle, winning only two of nine faceoffs. Desharnais picked up an assist on Byron’s goal and logged 18:24 of ice time with two shots on goal.

“I really like what I saw from those two together, David and Chucky,” Therrien said. “Those two guys played together on the power play and yesterday we’re trying to push. I like what I saw. So we’re going to continue the experiment. I haven’t taken a final decision yet (as far as the lines for Saturday’s game) but we’ll see tomorrow.”

When asked about putting Galchenyuk back at centre on the No. 1 line with Max Pacioretty and Brendan Gallagher, Therrien said: “We tried the experiment for three games and, honestly, they didn’t have not one scoring chance.”

Mr. Positive

Dale Weise, who has been sidelined since suffering an upper-body injury during the Winter Classic on New Year’s Day (it’s to his right hand or wrist), took part in Friday’s optional practice and will be back in the lineup Saturday night if he gets medical clearance.

Weise was asked what he learned by watching the last four games from the press-box level.

“When you watch the game, everything looks extremely slow and everything looks extremely easy,” he said. “It’s easy to pick things apart. I see from a media’s perspective how you guys see the game now, it looks very easy.

“You can pick up some things when you watch the game,” he added. “When you get on the ice, things happen quite fast.”

But Weise added that he liked what he saw from his teammates Thursday night against the Blackhawks.

“I liked our last game … I liked the way we played last night,” said Weise, who has 11 goals and nine assists in 40 games this season. “I felt we played great. I thought second and third period the ice was tilted in our favour against a club like that, who’s obviously the hottest team in the NHL right now.

“You got to feel good about yourself,” Weise added. “You got to find ways to be positive and feel good about yourself in situations like this. Watching from the outside, I loved our effort yesterday. I thought we had some guys really step up and I thought we had good depth throughout everybody. I feel good about our game.”

With Friday’s player moves and with his status still uncertain, Weise was asked what the lines might look like against the Blues.

“I have absolutely no idea what the lines would be,” he said. “I think the only line that would be for sure is our top unit (of Max Paciorety, Tomas Plekanec and Brendan Gallagher), and I thought they played good yesterday. I think that’s the only line that would probably stay together. Other than that, I don’t know what the combos would be. We have a couple of guys coming and going.”

When asked if he’d like to be reunited with Desharnais and Tomas Fleischmann, Weise said: “I’d love to play with those guys, obviously.”

A little goalie advice?

With the Canadiens struggling to score goals — they’ve averaged less than two goals per game since Dec. 1 while posting a 5-14 record — Mike Condon was asked if he has given any scoring advice to his teammates from a goaltender’s perspective.

“Not really,” the 25-year-old rookie said. “I’ve only been in this league for four months now, so these guys have played in the NHL for a long time and I think everyone here is an accomplished goal-scorer in their own right. But sometimes if we see something, (goalie coach) Stéph Waite or Benner (goalie Ben Scrivens) or myself will give guys opinions on where we think goalies are vulnerable.”

Right now, any kind of advice might help.

1,343 Comments

  1. boing007 says:

    I’d like to know how good MB is playing poker.

    Richard R

  2. Kythehabsfan says:

    Congrats to JT and the whole Tinordi family. I hope you you have a long and successful NHL career; you will most certainly now receive the opportunity.

    For the Habs this is a loss and displays a huge mismanagement of an asset from both the coach and the GM. Bring on more 4th line grinders and journeymen D!

  3. FenceSurfer says:

    Back to Carr’s demotion for a second, or two, why on earth do you send down the only worthwhile goal scorer on the team, why?
    If I hear it’s a process from the coach again my head will implode!

    • Max_a_million says:

      Is there a trade coming, and this is a cap saver to make it happen???

      De La Rose doesn’t score, and Montreal hasn’t been scoring. Something is up right?

    • Huh says:

      Because MT and apparently MB are big f’n morons.

      Unless there is more to come…..

      Then how big of a bunch of morons they are is tbd…..

      • FenceSurfer says:

        Honestly, how do you nurture the rooks, how? If MB claims to be a teat provider for the young ‘uns, why do you send them down after a slight slip in production even after out producing the majority of the so called high payed vets on the team. How do you, in a right mind, quantify this action. HOW?

    • D Mex says:

      Was Carr outscoring Desharnais ?
      Cuz, I can see how outscoring our #1 Centre could be a problem.

      ALWAYS Habs –
      D Mex

  4. warped says:

    Does this mean Jarred Tinordi gets to go to the All Star game for the Coyotes? 😀

  5. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    I never thought I would see the day when the GM of the Canadiens would become the Arizona GM’s you-know-what.

    MB better have something good cooked up or his goose will be cooked with the fans and media.

    • D Mex says:

      Well, if you are the weasel Gary F Buttman, and are about to have egg
      cast all over that manly beard of yours, you want a solution – you need a solution, and a credible one at that.

      Where better to turn than to the most storied franchise in all of pro sports. If anyone can get you off the hook, they can. And, let’s be honest here :

      IT’s not like integrity or the appearance of integrity in the game has ever been a priority consideration to Mr Commissioner.

      ALWAYS Habs –
      D Mex

  6. doug19 says:

    Hey we have size with John Scott! He is 6 foot 8 inches 2 more than Tinordi!
    NO MORE SMURFS PLEASE! the ones we have are adequate.

  7. Max_a_million says:

    I don’t understand why we make this trade. A 27 tear old ahler, and John Scott. Tell me we got a draft pick.

  8. lizard ranger says:

    I guess you can have too many dmen?

  9. monmick says:

    Prediction: If Bartley makes it to St-Louis later tonight or early tomorrow, he draws in for Beaulieu. Nate was brutal last night.

    If not tomorrow, we see him Sunday. Then we can criticize the trade…

    ~~~> Mathematically eliminated…

  10. the habinator says:

    It’s not defense we need to worry about we can’t fxxxxg score.

  11. the habinator says:

    I think we just threw in the towel and called it a season. See you all next year.

  12. crane says:

    So Prust, Tinordi gets us Kassian and John Scott

  13. Paz says:

    So Bergevin agreed to take Scott knowing Arizona wanted to keep him out of the All Star game?

    Marc, why involve yourself in that nonsense?

    Why tarnish the CH ?

    It does matter.

    Even if Scott never plays a game for the Habs, it does matter that the Habs were involved in this deal.

    • RiverviewCanadien says:

      But is that true, will he be kept out of the All-Star game now that he is reporting to the AHL?

      “Too much of anything is bad, but too much good whiskey is barely enough.”

      • D Mex says:

        Believe it was reported that he had already been assigned to the Coyotes AHL Affiliate. So really, this only adds another layer to the laundering process.

        ALWAYS Habs –
        D Mex

    • The_Rocket_Returns says:

      Seriously. What a dick move. I hated the Scott write-in campaign … but then he embraced it as a chance for his family and himself to experience something they’d never have otherwise. Against all odds, it became genuine and special.

      But Arizona couldn’t stand that, apparently, and Bergevin played along. What a jerk.

      … Koivu to Zednik to Kovalev …

    • Phil C says:

      I read it’s because Arizona didn’t want to pay his salary in the AHL. His salary is $575K, which is a lot for an AHL player if you are a budget team.

  14. LeaveTheCoachAlone says:

    Top 3 prospects Habs gave away.

    LeClair, McDonagh, and Beauchemin.

    Top 3 veterans, Roy, Chelios, and Desjardins.

    Come on guys help me out here, how many other greats did we get fleeced on.

  15. tonyhabsfan says:

    So I was waaay off, Tinordi is the reason we’re not scoring, so by mangling his career and them trading him for a breathing chunk of fertilizer, we will now average 5 goals a game and make it #25..I cannot believe this took more than a brief conversation between bathroom stalls, and at the end of the day Desharnais comes out with a promotion, what the heck have we done to deserve this?? pass the Kool-Aid…

    Habs fan- the very definition of insanity for 20+years…..

  16. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    I don’t know who likes scraps more, my dog or MB…

  17. B says:

    For anyone wondering who Jeremiah Addison is, Montreal’s 7th round pick last summer is playing with the 67s vs Ice Dogs at 7:00 pm Eastern on Sportsnet tonight.

    –Go Habs Go!–

    • tonyhabsfan says:

      Don’t know anything about him, but for his futures’ sake I hope he’s 5’4″ 125lb. center with the stick-handling skills of a jackhammer operator or else we have no need for the boy

      Habs fan- the very definition of insanity for 20+years…..

  18. RiverviewCanadien says:

    Really? This was so far out in left field, worse than suggesting PK should be a forward.

    I digress, is it true that since Scott is to report to the Ice Caps, he no longer will play in the All Star game?

    “Too much of anything is bad, but too much good whiskey is barely enough.”

    • tonyhabsfan says:

      I thought it was a good idea to TRY Subban on the right wing, and since then he is the only player we have who actually tried and sometimes succeeded in carrying the puck into the offensive zone, not just dump&change, unfortunately the rest of the guys just kinda stood there and watched, so I was WRONG. Sue me, trade me for the 3 Arizona Coyotes season-ticket holders…..

      Habs fan- the very definition of insanity for 20+years…..

      • RiverviewCanadien says:

        What?

        I have no idea who wrote what I read, but no, I don’t agree a Norris Trophy winner should play winger…

        Anyways, is it true that if a player is playing in the AHL, he won’t play in the NHL All-Star game?

        “Too much of anything is bad, but too much good whiskey is barely enough.”

        • FlyingFrenchie says:

          I agree…However our Norris Trophy defensemen could barely crack a decent AHL team with his play lately. If not forward perhaps a stint as stick boy might do the trick.

  19. New says:

    This zoo only gets better and better. Galchenyuk gets less ice than DD and Galchenyuk gets kids and Eller to play alongside. Galchenyuk gets more points than DD who is either number 1 or 2 depending on the hour but DD has been playing like DD can, doing nothing again. So they ship Galchenyuk’s wingers, who were also scoring, back to the minors and put Galchenyuk with DD so DD can help him. Meanwhile Eller can dig out the puck but once he has it doesn’t know what on earth to do with it.

    Why don’t they just do it? Trade or waive Galchenyuk so he can get on with winning somewhere. He obviously doesn’t fit into their plans. His style is totally at odds with a fourth line grinder.

    The top scorer from his draft year compelled to play spare for posers.

    Gosh I love this team. Never a dull moment.

  20. The Puckhound says:

    This just in:
    GM Bergevin gets traded for ‘Common Sense’ and a draft pick..OMG!

    Forever #4

  21. boing007 says:

    Gong Show. Anybody got a cane in their closet they don’t need?

    Richard R

  22. warped says:

    I don’t understand this trade at all, I don’t understand putting chucky back on the wing. NOT good for any confidence he has…or had…
    What’s next MB? Carey Price for Andrew Hammond? Chucky for Chris Neil? Gallagher for Jordin Tootoo?

  23. zak says:

    They didn’t want to put Tinordi on waivers and lose him for nothing so they traded him for nothing

  24. NCRhabsfan says:

    Was the whole point of this trade to distract us from the awful fact that MB has no idea and no plan to actually improve the team? Did he purposely make a crappy but inconsequential trade to deflect criticism from the obvious fact that the team he has built isn’t close to wining a Stanley Cup, which is the only measure that matters.

    • New says:

      No, he worked very hard for two weeks to construct this trade. He couldn’t take the two on waivers or they’d be on his roster and he’d have to waive someone else. (Which is ok because no one else wanted them either. Whew, close one.) He couldn’t send Tinordi down because someone would take him on waivers. Because he is bordering tripping over his contract limit he had to throw Fournier into the deal. A young minor and a young NHL player for two older former NHL players in the minors. Now no more stupid questions about Tinordi. He is gone.

      Admittedly it may be that MB has something interesting in the works, like finishing last, which would exceed the accomplishments of the Gauthier regime by two positions.

      If you see MB or MT walking towards Price with a squeegee handle in their hands at least warn the guy they’re pulling a Harding on him.

  25. --Habs-- says:

    Now we have 2 players at the All Star Game

    “Habs” Watch and learn….! Or Not!

  26. fitzy56 says:

    Well I guess this is rock bottom. Honestly other than Petry and Vanek the only thing MB has done is exchange useless player for useless player. As well he has made several trades for guys that just go straight to the AHL and never see the NHL. Or sign UFAs that no one else wants and have his coach not give them a chance anyway. Way to improve the team.

    On a side note…..Good Luck and all the best to Jarred.

  27. Huh says:

    The whole Scott thing just exemplifies how everything is corrupt.

    Not that I’m surprised.

    Not that I care.

    Just tellin’ it for what it is.

    • scarboro_habitant says:

      was thinking the same thing.

    • D Mex says:

      Many, including members of the media, believe there is more to this that is yet to come. Then, the idea has been floated that the NHL needed a way of putting distance between Scott and the All-Star Game after he refused, voluntarily, to do so.

      Sitting here now, my recollection is that non other than that pillar of hockey integrity, Gary F Buttman, recently waxed on about how fan voting exemplified closing the gap between ” our game … and its fans. Make that, its US fans. And, at about the same time his head was bobbing and weaving its way thru that same Gary-showcase piece, fans were ramming it up his corporate behind by voting the poster boy for marketing ” our game … to those exalted non-traditonal markets.

      In need not only of a solution, but a credible solution, my fear now is that he picked up the phone and called Geoff who, instead of telling him to stick it where the sun-belt don’t shine, agreed to have a word with his GM and put the fix into motion. And the thought of that very possibility really ticks me off.

      ALWAYS Habs –
      D Mex

    • New says:

      The thing is that I still care. Gonna have to stop that.

  28. dexterthebeagle says:

    I’m getting sick of MB and his philosophy of “You can never have too many defenseman” philosophy. This effin team can’t effin score. Trading Tinordi for another dman sucks

  29. haberoo13 says:

    Only way to make this fiasco look good is to dress Scott vs Bruins next week…

    Haberoo13

  30. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    How did the classiest organization in the NHL end up doing the dirty work for one of the worst organizations in the NHL? How desperate could MB have possibly been to do crap like this for Arizona? Unreal. I’d love to know what guys like PK and Max are thinking now.

    • fitzy56 says:

      Max and P.K. are probably just as perplexed as the rest of us. Also when did we become a joke and a laughing stock.

    • FenceSurfer says:

      Obviously they were not enamored with Tinordi’s play. Fine. Tinordi was not a draft pick in MB’s regime. Fine. They held him in the big fearing losing him for nothing. Probably told him they would make all efforts to accommodate him in a trade. Asked for the sky and held on too long.

      This is the end result.

    • Lapointe says:

      I think PK is still high about that absolutely ridiculous contract he was awarded by MB…..Max is watching the clock and wishing the time away until he signs his new 10 million a year deal. Unless MB trades him for Tinordi then. This team has managed to dash hopes of even the most optimistic of fans I think. To think the praise this GM has gotten on here in the past.

  31. Rosieman says:

    Chilli

    Let’s just go no further than if his job is to win – he’s failing. Miserably.

    And Carr has the most goals in the last month – and gets demoted to 4th line then down to farm.

    Don’t get me started on DD being better or good etc.

    Explain your rationale please???

  32. CaliHabFan says:

    So all of you thought that the levity of the Chucky affair could not be topped. Well ladies and gentlemen, MB was not to be outdone. Now we know what was discussed in the MB/Chucky/DSP meeting. It ended with “Don’t worry Chuck, I won´t trade you, I’ll bring in some top notch protection. How is the nose?”

  33. Bash says:

    John Scott – embarrassing!
    And the other guy?

    Bartley is a serviceable depth defenseman more geared to the defensive side of the game. While solidly built, he is not a particularly physical or naturally gifted defender, instead relying on a work ethic to carry out his defensive duties. he has generated some offense at lower levels of the game, but that won’t be his ticket to the NHL. (Hockeyfuture)

    Tinordi got very little in return.

    “If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.” (anon)

  34. chilli says:

    @Kooch7800: “tinordi will play in the NHL next year. How about the two guys we picked up ? Do you think they will?”.

    Doesn’t matter.
    Tinordi will not be playing for the Habs next year and was never going to play for the Habs. He’s not good enough. He may make the Yotes or the Leafs or ….
    The same way Gomez, PA Parenteau, Renee Bourque and Travis Moen still played in the NHL after they weren’t good enough to make our team.
    Doesn’t matter, they were not good enough to make our team.

    @70’s – The coaches job is not to develop players that are not NHL caliber players. He’s done a fine job developing PK, Gallagher, Chucky, Lars, DD, Beaulieu, Pateryn, Emelin,…. and he’s doing a good job developing Byron, Sven, Carr, JDL, Barberio and a few others by giving them ice time and opportunity.
    They are all better than Tinordi at being NHL players.
    His job is not to develop guys that aren’t good enough.
    His job is to win.

    • NCRhabsfan says:

      I don’t agree with your statement that he has done a good job developing any of those players. If anything he has retarded their development. MT has certain talents, developing young players is not one of them, nor is giving TOI to players that deserve it.

    • C.B.Barbarian says:

      I’m with you, Chilli. Tinordi was done. His value was zip. He was just a press box seat warmer. And everyone is up in arms ’cause MB didn’t get a Stamkos or Ovi in return. Makes no sense.

  35. Habitant in Surrey says:

    According to McKenzie Bergevin is in transit. In an airplane.

    I suggest He stay up as long as possible.

  36. NCRhabsfan says:

    This franchise has totally lost its way. Everything they have done today is awful. Totally classless. Trading a first round pick for a lousy AHL defence man is dumb, I hope Tinordi dominates the Habs the way Chara has for years. I thought this was a franchise that didn’t bother with talentless goons like Scott. Galchenuk to the wing, DD gets more time at centre? Really? Someone thinks success lies in that direction? There is finally no hope. The tank is on. Time to dump this bunch of front office clowns. They can take MT when they go.

  37. monmick says:

    If the Habs don’t start winning soon, my signature will quickly become very relevant…

  38. FlyingFrenchie says:

    A first round pick for John Scott?
    MB must be working for the Leaf’s under the table.
    On the other hand with 5 goals in 285 games, Scott will fit in nicely on our first line!

  39. monmick says:

    Regarding Bartley being a FrankyBoo clone — maybe MB has realized that it is useless to acquire players that MT simply won’t play — Sekac, Vanek, Brière, PAP, Semin. I don’t agree with it but if you are going to stand behind your coach, you need to give him players he will actually use…

  40. Habitant in Surrey says:

    So, according to McKenzie, the ‘deal’ was Brantley for Tinordi. Scott included only because NHL does want Scott to play in All-Star game.

    Does not sound credible to me.

  41. haberoo13 says:

    I understand that Scott HAD to be part of the deal but why another #7 dman? And 27 years old to boot….A 6th round pick would have more value.

    Haberoo13

  42. rabidhab says:

    I had hoped Tinordi would have worked out with the Habs, oh well. I thought he would have brought more in a trade too, but I ‘m biased .

  43. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    It seems that anybody who gets extended on the Habs worsens right after:
    DD…nosedive
    Markov…nose dive
    Pleks…nose dive
    MT…nose dive
    now MB…nose dive
    who the heck is next? Youppi? LOL

  44. adamkennelly says:

    I lost a TON of respect for the Habs and for MB today – a ton.

    taking John Scott to bury him in the minors because of the All-Star game…pisses me off to no end…this is a person who fights for his teammates, practices hard, rides the pine..he has a wife, kids – pretty close to unacceptable from a “classy” organization.

    • Habitant in Surrey says:

      Unfortunately I have to agree.

    • FenceSurfer says:

      Why does MB make the trade. Why? Does Bettman have compromising pictures of Bergevin and Molson at Galchenyuk’s condo or what.

    • POPS says:

      Totally agree! Why? Why did Bergevin have to cover for the NHL? Awful! Unexpected. Mind you the organization completely screwed up with the whole Tinordi situation. Starting to doubt the management team and I don’t like it! Reminds me of the Ed Ronan days. Ronan up, then down. Belanger up, then down. You have to wonder what is going on? They are messing up Galchenyuk too!

  45. Qikdraw says:

    Unbelievable. Tinordi wasn’t never given a fair chance and his salary was not high enough to avoid the syndrome of being a healthy scratch that MT so painfully uses to punish the teams untouchable stars (sic). So it would seem that the players who demonstrate the most heart and will to play are quite often the lowest paid players on the team and mostly likely the victim of MT style of coaching.

  46. monmick says:

    I, for one, am willing to wait and see what Bartley has to offer. I know absolutely nothing about him. I remember the media criticizing Josh Gorges when he was acquired when it was clear they knew nothing about him. He ended up being a useful player with the Habs…

  47. 24 Cups says:

    Agreeing to include John Scott in the trade so the NHL could bounce him from the All-Star game is a total bush league move by Bergevin. It looks really bad on him.

    It puts him right up there with Beaulieu, Thomas, Galchenyuk and DSP. I guess now we can all be judgemental just like MB.

    How could something so right now be so wrong? What a mess.

    148/82/26

    • Ghosts of the Forum says:

      It wouldn’t have been Bergevin, it would have been Maloney insisting that Scott be part of the deal to get it done.

      • 24 Cups says:

        For sure, but Bergevin fully understood what the ramifications of the situation were. Arizona saves money, Scott gets kicked out of the All-Star game and MB gets SFA out of an investment of a 1st and 2nd round pick (it doesn’t matter if MB didn’t draft Tinordi, it was still on his watch).

        148/82/26

  48. boing007 says:

    What’s in a name? A De La Rose by any other name …

    Richard R

  49. HabFab says:

    Scott brought in to protect Galchenyuk…

    Humiliating!

  50. FenceSurfer says:

    I’m dying for MB’s press conference. He’s been stealth since “la degringolade” started. Normally when a trade is done he would face the press.

    Or has he moved to Vermont?

  51. Marc10 says:

    I’ll admit I’m dumbfounded. What the…?!

    So much for an in-demand first rounder… (Tinner was at some point anyway…)

    John Scott… WTF?! That’s just embarrassing. I hope the kid we picked up in exchange is the second coming of Duncan Keith!

    And Carr goes down and we bring up JDLR. That must mean there’s another deal coming. Just plain weird.

  52. GVZ says:

    I guess it’s that time of season again. GO HAWKS GO!

  53. CJL says:

    This team is trying to make a steak dinner out of table scraps. You can juggle the lines anyway you want, at the end of the day, you have a team that lacks, has lacked and will continue to lack scoring power.
    This is not new. Since before the Therrien era, we relied on Price and shot blocking to win games. It was exposed last spring against Tamps and even more so now.
    But how do you fix it?
    Bonafide young talent comes through the draft and we have not finished low enough to get the picks like Chicago, Pittsburgh, Washington or even Tampa have had. We have always finished middle of the pack and that gets you middle of the pack players.
    So we either do it through a trade or free agency.
    Who do we trade that anyone wants? Price, Subban, Max, Gally and Galchenyuk. They will get a decent return but you are robbing Peter to pay Paul.
    The rest either have a contract that is immovable either because of the term ( Markov,Pleks,Emelin), worth ( Deharnais) or they are simply 4th line players with minimal return.
    Right now it is up to the coach and the GM to get the most out of their players. Unfortunately Therrien is not Babcock and he is not the right man for this job. He overelies on veterans and will not trust youth, hence development is stalled.
    But he is signed for 4 more years, so our only hope is that this crash continues ala the Leafs of 2015. This will serve two functions- we will get a new coach and we will get a high draft pick.
    Other than that MB has to spend, but we are tight against the cap.
    I am afraid it will be more of the same.

  54. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    If MB wants to try another career later, he should try working in a mortuary given his experience picking up stiffs.

  55. Un Canadien errant says:

    Just to pile on, Louis Leblanc couldn’t hack it in the KHL, he’s now going to play in Lausanne in the Swiss League.

    ———————————————————————–
    So my resolution for this season is, taking Hal Gill’s injunction to heart, to “let P.K. be P.K.” I’m not going to try to hold him to the standard of Raymond Bourque or Chris Chelios, I’m going to allow him to be himself, with all his glory and his little foibles. (…) I’m celebrating P.K., not trying to improve him. Anymore.

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

  56. Captain aHab says:

    people ask why he wasn’t waived to try to get him through… The answer is simple :they wanted to be rid of him and thought he would not be claimed. Maybe his dad was making Bergevin’s life hellish.

    —————-
    Prepare to be boarded!!

  57. trade_centre says:

    If you guys can stop frothing for a moment, what essentially happened here is that the Habs gave Tinordi what he wanted: a chance to make it in the NHL.

    That’s all that this is.

    They could have waived him, but it seems they like this Bartley fellow. So in order to get him they took Scott off the Coyotes’ hands. Scott is irrelevant in all this.

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      Maybe instead of maneuvering like crazy to get an 8th D-man, MB should be angling like this to get a top-6 forward. Bartley will have ZERO effect on a Habs playoff run.

  58. Un Canadien errant says:

    I posted a week or two ago that if our team is going to consist of Brendan Gallagher and David Desharnais and Tomas Plekanec and Daniel Carr and Sven Andrighetto, and have Charles Hudon and Martin Reway and Arturri Lehkonen and Daniel Audette in the system, then we need to have the Three Towers of Jarred Tinordi, Zack Kassian and Mike McCarrron to counteract that, to right the balance a little bit.

    I’ve kissofdeathed two out of three of those guys already.

    ———————————————————————–
    So my resolution for this season is, taking Hal Gill’s injunction to heart, to “let P.K. be P.K.” I’m not going to try to hold him to the standard of Raymond Bourque or Chris Chelios, I’m going to allow him to be himself, with all his glory and his little foibles. (…) I’m celebrating P.K., not trying to improve him. Anymore.

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

  59. The_Rocket_Returns says:

    Good heavens. Is Bergevin just trolling the fans now? This is embarrassing, and not just because he traded Tinordi for nothing. It’s because he felt it was more important to roll out Douglas Murray, Francis Bouillon, Mike Weaver, Sergei Gonchar, Bryan Allen and Greg Pateryn (inexplicably thought to be a decent defenseman despite his career of 0 points in 31 games) rather than develop Tinordi.

    One could argue, “He didn’t think Tinordi would ever be able to hack it.” In which case, why not trade him last year, or two years ago, when they’d have got *something* back?

    Maybe it’s not a big deal in the grand scheme of things, but here’s a near-complete list of players MB has brought into the organization who’ve played at the NHL level:

    Michael Ryder, Brandon Prust, Francois Bouillon, Colby Armstrong, Davis Drewiske, Jeff Halpern, Thomas Vanek, Dale Weise, George Parros, Christian Thomas, Daniel Briere, Alex Galchenyuk, P.A. Parenteau, Jiri Sekac, Sergei Gonchar, Bryan Allen, Tom Gilbert, Manny Malhotra, Devante Smith-Pelly, Drayson Bowman, Eric Tangradi, Brian Flynn, Travis Mitchell, Tomas Fleischmann, Jeff Petry, Paul Byron, Daniel Carr, Sven Andrighetto, Alex Semin, Mark Barberio, Peter Budaj, Mike Condon and Dustin Tokarski.

    Except for Galchenyuk and Petry, that is pathetic.

    … Koivu to Zednik to Kovalev …

  60. theflukester says:

    I called the Tinordi trade a long time ago but the hope at least for me is they get someone of worth. Instead they got a pylon. Bergevin is useless as is his buddy Therrien. Molson is the biggest idiot of all of them to let this trash heap of a GM continue to wreck this team. You wonder why the team won’t perform. Well you got your answer. Crap management and a clueless owner. Christ and I though Gauthier and Gained were bad. Hahahhahaaha.

  61. JohnBellyful says:

    Oh, great, with Tinordi going to Arizona, it’s one more NHL team with inside info on how the Montreal system works.
    Shouldn’t MB stick to dealing with one team only, two at most?
    I find it sad that I have to point this out to him.

  62. SmartDog says:

    5 QUESTIONS:
    1. Does today mark a low point in Bergie’s time as GM?
    2. Does it make you question his abilities?
    3. On a ten point scale, how do you rate the Habs overall handling of Tinordi as a person and as a resource?
    4. If today’s trade was “weeks in the making” as has been reported how long would it take to land a player who might matter?
    5. Habs seem intent on keeping the core 20 or so players of this team intact. Why?????

    SD

    ————————————-
    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

  63. ooder says:

    ladies and gentlemen. Calm down.
    This trade is completely insignificant. The only reason we even remotely care is because A: we are in a slump and B: it was Tinordi going the other way.
    Scott and whoever, will never play for the habs.
    Tinordi wasn’t going to either. Why? Is it mismanagement or does he suck and has never ever impressed the habs staff?
    I guess we will see if Tinordi turns into an actual NHL player in Arizona, and with a coach like Tippet, he just might (IMO one of the top coaches in the NHL)

  64. FenceSurfer says:

    What happened to MB’s promise of nurturing the prospects, was it relegated to feeding them hotdogs in the pressbox?

  65. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    Chucky moving back to the wing. That was obvious after they inexplicably sent Carr down. I have been calling for this for two months…finally.

    • piper says:

      I don’t agree with sending Chucky to the wing. IMO they should live or die this year with him between Max and Gally.
      That being said, I wanted Tinordi in the lineup so WTF do I know.

  66. Habitant in Surrey says:

    Some Habs Fans whom live west of Quebec may want to distract their frayed minds to the following: http://www.montrealgazette.com/entertainment/trial+looms+baseball+fans+already+dispute/11654552/story.html

    Relevant to My Petition last year protesting Rogers and the NHL’s regional black-out policies.

    One issue I addressed within the Petition was that, in the United States, fans were suing Major League Baseball to allow the right to purchase single team packages, instead of Centre Ice/Game Centre Live all or nothing products.

    Well, as per The Gazette’s story, ‘a Manhattan federal court judge ruled that (MLB) fans will be able to buy the new packages this season if they don’t live in their favourite team’s market. In the past, consumers were forced to buy the games of all baseball teams, because individual teams were not sold separately.

    The lawyers noted in the court papers filed publicly last week that the desire for single-team packages seemed to be the driving force behind the 2012 class-action lawsuit brought on behalf of fans.

    The decision to enable single-team TV package purchases came after lawyers for the National Hockey League last year settled their side of the court case. The NHL also agreed to let fans buy single-team packages.

    The new packages have not yet been publicly announced by baseball and pricing information about them has not been released.’

    This ruling only pertains to the United States. Relevant to the NHL, apparently the NHL already have settled out of court with understanding they will vary previous national black-out restrictions and fans will be able to purchase single-team products even if they do not live in the city/state the team is based.

    As of now, in Canada, the regional NHL black-out rules still are enforced.

    Yet, the American precedent, will hopefully be pursued as well in Canada, to allow Rogers be creative in developing single team television options for Canadian fans not living in the vicinity of their favourite teams.

    Could a Habs Channel be far away ?

    At least this US court decision should lend some hope of a similar court finding (if necessary) in Canada.

  67. marvin20 says:

    who could they possibly trade for a top 6 forward?

  68. rabidhab says:

    A little write up on Victor Brantley on sportsnet.ca

  69. Ozmodiar says:

    @UCe, regarding the Cube.

    Ozmodiar
    JANUARY 15, 2016 AT 2:54 PM

    FRANKIE BOUILLON 2.0 !!!!

    MT’s gonna love this!

    😉

  70. Un Canadien errant says:

    Renaud Lavoie ‏@renlavoietva 1m1 minute ago

    John Scott ne jouera pas à MTL cette saison. Les Coyotes voulaient absolument s’en départir pour compléter la transaction. #tvasports

    I don’t know what they expected when they signed him this summer, if they wanted to get rid of him so bad.

    ———————————————————————–
    So my resolution for this season is, taking Hal Gill’s injunction to heart, to “let P.K. be P.K.” I’m not going to try to hold him to the standard of Raymond Bourque or Chris Chelios, I’m going to allow him to be himself, with all his glory and his little foibles. (…) I’m celebrating P.K., not trying to improve him. Anymore.

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

    • Ozmodiar says:

      All-Star game embarrassment.
      They want someone else there. … guessing.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Renaud Lavoie ‏@renlavoietva 3m3 minutes ago

      John Scott won’t play in MTL at all. It’s really the Coyotes who insisted to include him in a trade. They didn’t want to pay him in the AHL.

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      This looks like a mob move. Scott refused to bow out of the All-Star game so they shipped him to St. John’s. Ouch.

      • Prop says:

        Yup, that’s a pretty low blow by the league. Fans voted Scott in, and the NHL decided later that terms and conditions apply.

        ____________________
        DOOOOOOOOOOOOMED!

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          It’s more accurate to say that fans trolled the league by voting in John Scott, the worst player they could think of, to make a point about how things are run. And the NHL couldn’t face up to it head-on, they had to go behind the curtains and move the levers.

          • FenceSurfer says:

            They may be raking in the bucks but they remain bushleague. I love the sport but the NHL has been losing me bit by bit, year by year, under the Bettman regime.

  71. --Habs-- says:

    Rumor is they’re going to make a Dman out of Scott

    “Habs” Watch and learn….! Or Not!

  72. Saintpatrick33 says:

    Total asset mismangement. I’m so done. I’ve lost all faith in this organization. I hope Tiny flourishes and this trade comes back to bite these morons on the butt but good.

  73. Chuck says:

    Pretty soon more people will have commented on John Scott than actually saw him play in Phoenix. Gotta love HI/O!

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Honestly, what do we need to see to know more about this player. I saw John Scott live, and like with Derek Boogard, he’s the kind of player who stood out like a sore thumb, so far behind the play, so incredibly slow.

      All we need to do is look at his record, his stats, and stand comfortably on that.

  74. savethepuck says:

    I am embarrassed to have this meathead in our organization. The days of the 4 minute goon are gone. I want a team with toughness, but I want that toughness not to be a liability when they are on the ice.
    Unfortunately Tiny was a victim of the CBA. 3 years to be waiver eligible is not enough time for some players to have time to develop in the AHL. Zdeno Chara was a big guy that took a long time to develop into a competent NHL defenceman. Jamie Oleksiak is taking time to develop in Dallas, he’s only played 11 games this year. Hulking tough defensemen may be something that are a risk to take in the 1st round due to the CBA.
    “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
    Carey Price


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