Canadiens acquire enforcer Parros from Panthers

The Canadiens have acquired enforcer George Parros from the Florida Panthers in return for forward Philippe Lefebvre and a seventh round pick at the 2014 NHL draft (previously acquired from Florida during this year’s draft).

Parros, 33, posted 1-1-2 totals in 39 games with the Panthers in 2012-13 while accumulating 57 penalty minutes. He had 53 hits and averaged 6:36 of ice time.

Since his NHL debut in 2005-06, Parros has 35 points (18 goals, 17 assists) in 452 NHL regular season games. The 6-foot-5, 228-pound forward has served 1,007 penalty minutes. Parros has added 35 penalty minutes in 19 career NHL playoff games.

A native of Washington, Pa., Parros was selected by the Los Angeles Kings in the eighth round (22nd overall) at the 1999 NHL draft. Prior to joining the Canadiens, he played with the Kings, Colorado Avalanche, Anaheim Ducks and Panthers during his NHL career.

“I’m excited to play in Montreal for certainly one of the best markets around for hockey,” Parros said on a conference call with media on Friday at 6 p.m.

“I’m not afraid to still mix it up,” he added.

“I know the type of player that I am. And hopefully I can produce offensively and be a benefit defensively for the team. But certainly I’ll try to bring my brand of hockey to the Habs.”

You can hear more of what Parros had to say by clicking here.

Lefebvre, signed as a free agent by the Canadiens on Sept. 15, 2009, played 23 games this past season with the AHL’s Hamilton Bulldogs, posting 4-3-7 totals. He added 16 points  in 28 games with the ECHL’s Wheeling Nailers.

Parros has spent most of his career as a fourth-liner, but Canadiens GM Marc Bergevin told reporters he brings “an aspect of respect, not only on the ice but with his teammates.”

The GM added: “He’s a guy that we did our due diligence … he’s a good person, he’s a high character guy that’s well-liked by his teammates and protects his teammates. At the time where we are right now with the Montreal Canadiens, I felt there was a need that we had to look at. And if you look around the teams near us, they all have that aspect in their lineup. It’s something that we need, and we all know what Brandon Prust does for our club … he stands up for his teammates … and now he’s going to have the help.”

Bergevin added that Prust has got “the heart of a lion.”

“He’s a warrior, he stands up for his teammates,” the GM said. “We saw what he did in Boston, what he did in Toronto, just to name a few. He’s always there for his teammates. It’s a hard job to do and you could tell him just not to do it, but he just can’t help himself. He’s just a warrior.”

So is Parros. 

(Photo by Joel Auerbach/Getty Images)

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1,208 Comments

  1. Fansincebirth says:

    I honestly believe that there are more moves coming from MB before the season starts. There are some pretty top $$$ heavy teams right now and they are going to have to shed some players and salary to make cap. This is where we are going to benefit and MB knows it. This man isn’t stupid by any means…patience.

    • mksness says:

      maybe he should have had some of this patience before signing briere

      • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

        I think MB really likes Briere the player (plus he’s you know what). Unfortunately, he has to put him somewhere. It is sort of like going to the store and buying something you really like. You then come home and there is nowhere to put it. This why another small-ish forward has to go…

        “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

    • Habfan17 says:

      So do I. There are some RFA’s that will not want to sign with their clubs, clubs like Philly needing to get under the cap, and then there are still some UFA’s and the unsigned players currently in development camp. MB does not have to rush.

      Habfan17

  2. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    If this is all Bergevin is going to do, I won’t be happy. Not going after this poor group of free agents was fine with me but I thought he would have dealt some guys already. One of Plekanec, DD and Gionta have to go…

    “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

    • mksness says:

      I’m with you on this but think of it for a second:

      – gionta is coming off bicep surgery and hasn’t been cleared to play yet. i don’t even think they can trade him if he’s injured nor why would a team trade for an injured player. regardless you would be selling at a very low point.

      – Pleks is your best center on the team(2 way play). Don’t give me the whole eller and chucky are better. they haven’t proved it yet.

      -DD come on…. i think that’s an un-tradable contract, especially after last years production.

      all in all i don’t think there is very much for the habs out there unless they are willing to move their younger players or prospects. we can’t ship out our junk for gold kinda thing.

      • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

        I know that DD won’t be traded this year (too soon after contract extension). Gionta with one year left, being the captain and injured, won’t be traded. Plekanec is the obvious trade candidate. Eller can replace him. Will Eller be as good? We won’t know until he plays the minutes but he does have the skill-set.

        The only free agent I would liked was Iginla to play with Max and DD. A one year deal was reasonable.

        “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

        • mksness says:

          why have iginla went you can have briere…

        • Ed says:

          I would definitely trade Plekanec if the RIGHT DEAL presented itself, and we can never know that.

          Most people understand that Plekanec is our most tradeable asset, and what we would insist on getting back are players that are:

          younger, bigger, more power – but skilled.

          Maybe 1 excellent young player and a 1st round draft pick would do it for me.

          We have added Briere, who can also play 1st line or 2nd line center. We have Eller, Galchenyuk, and yes, Desharnais as a 3rd line center.

          So there is tons of depth there, but only really Plekanec who can bring us back the type of players who we can ADD TO OUR CORE.

          Subban, Price, Galchenyuk, Max, Eller, Gallagher, Tinordi, is our core.

          The object is to add to this core in any deal involving Plekanec.

          • mksness says:

            ya lots of depth, all at the second line center position. If you trade pleks, you’ll add to your core very quickly because this team without him will have a terrible PK and just about no one capable of defending against top end talent..resulting in a high draft pick.

            also you’re not trading pleks for a all star 6’2” center unless you give some more in the trade. if you trade pleks and get size in return that size won’t be very fast…

        • Habfan17 says:

          I would say it is improbable that Mb trades DD but not impossible. Just look at Alfie, and it has been done before. To me it hinges on what other teams need to do to get under the cap and if a trade would make the Habs better long term.

          Habfan17

      • 1010 says:

        I think that if we had a list of the 5-6 million dollar junk that has been traded and signed around this league then a 3.5 million guy who puts up decent numbers can be traded. No problem at all.
        GO HABS…

        • mksness says:

          did you watch him play last year?
          – we was weak on the puck
          – horrible in his own zone
          – and his skating was terrible
          – production was terrible
          – and he’s half hobbit

          sure you can trade him, but for a 4th round pick not for a top six forward or even prospect

      • habstrinifan says:

        Lets start looking at our prospects then in trades before they all turn out to be Pribyl. Remember what HIo wrote about him. Same they are witing about Collberg now.

    • Rugger says:

      Really think that Gionta will be spending first half of season on LTIR. Don’t think anyone will trade for him until he comes back and shows his arms will not fall off.

    • Andy says:

      MB is just waiting, he knows that teams are spending money on these iffy ufa, they will have to trade away contracts to get under the low cap and hopefully we will be able to pick up some steals.

      Lifelong Habs Fan

      • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

        I think he’s waiting to see what goes down after RFAs are signed. I do believe the Colburne/Talbot rumours. Habs have plenty of young defensemen to deal to a team needing cap space..

        “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

        • Andy says:

          Very true, that is why I was wondering if we were in on Bobby Ryan, offering some them with pick or picks.

          Lifelong Habs Fan

        • habstrinifan says:

          I hope we were at least in on Iginla … seeing not too many were and he signed for a bonus loaded contract. Alll the big monies are based on what he does.

    • Sportfan says:

      I agree with you too DDO that DD, Gio or Plek might have to go, although I prefer to keep Plek over the other two for obvious reasons.

      The thing is with Plek I know we’ll trade him one day and hopefully we get a decent return and I know the earlier we trade him the bigger the reward, or at least thats what it should be. So I have come to terms finally that yes we should at one point trade him, before he has no value, or leaves as a UFA BUT I rather see the shorter guys (not gally) go first.

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    • Strummer says:

      DD and Gionta are bad contracts and are not trade-able
      Plek is still valuable.

      Bergevin’s problem is the legacy of bad contracts from the Gainey/Gauthier era.

      He had to use his 2 compliance buyouts on Gomez and Kaberle though I would have kept Kaberle and bought out Gorges.

      After buyouts He had $9 million in cap space-as opposed to Nonis in Toronto who had $24 million- big difference.

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    • Habbergasted says:

      I like the Parros signing, best mustache in the league. While I do believe Gio and DD will end up the odd men out, I also agree with mks, and trading Plecs isn’t an option at this point. The season hasn’t started yet and there’s still time for moves.
      Pacman-Plecs-Briere — Subban-Gorges(Emelin)
      Borque-DD-Eller — Markov-Tinordi
      Prust-AGally-BGally — Daiz(Gorges)-Boullion
      Moen-White-Parros — Drewiskie
      Imo, top two forward lines should look like this. Plec and DD are switchable, but I prefer to see the Hobbit inbetween two towers. Maybe Eller on RW is a long shot but if Gio is out I would try it. Eller and Bourque are great friends and could build chemistry, DD benifits more with them then Briere on his line and Eller HAS earner top 6 time. Not to mention Plecs and DD can cheat like hell on FO’s and when they get tossed their RWs step in.
      As for the 3rd line we all saw the brutalizing of BGally stop when Prust was on that line, And AGally gets much needed FO experience. I just downright like the 4th line, Moen looked good with Parros in Anaheim but he will still need to turn it around this year.
      Our D pool speaks for itself, Gorges plays with Pk untill emelin returns, and then replaces Diaz… who can just be traded. Let Tinordi learn from Markov a bit, might help him gain some finesse. All in all most of our D will change when our prospects are ready. Untill then theres our habs boys. Not too shabby, with room for MB to still shake things up.
      Habber.

  3. Ian, consider it done…..and eaten my friend :)

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  4. Old Bald Bird says:

    I guess the presser by The Mouth was not too revealing since I have read almost nothing about it.

  5. 1010 says:

    I`m starting to come around and maybe even like what MB did this week. After the Briere signing I wondered what the point was of adding a small sniper to the team. But -of course- the addition of Parros will help these other guys play bigger. If Moen can return to form all of a sudden the team isn`t so small.
    And best of all, no long term contracts to overpaid and overhyped free agents. So this shouldn`t affect the overall development of the young guys.

    GO HABS…

    • mksness says:

      moen is done… the game is too fast for him
      parros can barely play hockey. he’ll be a scratch more often than not
      briere.. well i dunno i’ll give him time but not liking it so far

      why is it that you love these moves? the team hasn’t really improved at all from last year. If anything the habs are banking on improved production from eller, gally, chucky, DD, patches and price. that’s a lot of hoping

  6. The Dude says:

    Ok ,so who else feels this Habs team won’t make a full season before the wheels fall off the bus. An over-payed and played Goalie who can’t catch a Nerf ball wearing a suit of Velcro… An Undersized and mismatched group of Dmen = if Subban gets injured it’s over! A lot of small ,overpaid forwards. A lot of prospects who aren’t ready and are a crap shoot at that? As it stands like always ,the Habs will start great and then “THE TANK IS ON”….But hey ,we got two guy’s who can fight,lol

  7. WhatUp says:

    RE: the playoff argument: hey I know a little center that played for Philly that has light’s out playoff points stats (perhaps one of the best in past 4 -5 years). comes from Gatineau…can’t remember where he signed…he just may perform better than Clarkson..let’s just hope his injuries are behind him

  8. Andy says:

    Visit the site all the time for up to date info and love reading the comments, thought I would join.

    From Ontario, in between Toronto and Detroit, so I an surrounded by Red Wings and Leafs fan. So it is good to converse with like minded Habs fans.

    Lifelong Habs Fan

    • bel33 says:

      Welcome! There’s lots of us around you (I’m in Toronto)… and you’re right.. this place is a nice break from the pro-Leafs bias we get everywhere else here.

      I guess it’s to be expected, but nice to get away from it.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Welcome aboard Andy. Look forward to reading your post.

  9. CharlieHodgeFan says:

    Freeze frame, as things are still evolving. Here’s what I see:
    Ottawa: strengthened short term, severely beaten in the trade longterm. They have a good club and will be a threat, but they gave up way too much to compensate for the fan letdown of Alfredsson moving to a city;
    Toronto: marginally strengthened, but did not address their fundamental weaknesses;
    Montreal: on par with Toronto – stronger, but with glaring needs unaddressed. I like what was done, and see the team in the top four of the division;
    Boston: curious. I think weaker, in the over-all quality of the team. But that is still very strong;
    Florida: weak;
    Tampa: weakened;
    Detroit: Look out. I think we are going to see some things we aren’t used to from the Red Wings. It might take our minds off Boston and Toronto a little;
    Buffalo: dangerous sometimes, but not really standing out;

    I see Florida, Tampa and Buffalo as also-rans right now, but all have enough talent to win games against the Habs. Detroit will be a wild-card, and Ottawa will be Boston’s main competitor at the top. The Habs are in the middle of the mix with Toronto.

    But all teams are thin enough that one or two major injuries (like Spezza for Ott last year) could unravel everything. Boston has the best depth in the division, but every other team is scarily fragile. That across the board fragility due to thinly spread out talent is a huge part of every team’s profile now. A lot of guys who should be AHLers are on NHL teams now, and the more a team has to call up, the lower they drop.

    • Rugger says:

      Agree with your assessments. Boston got weaker and I think took a big hit to their depth with Ference and Paverly (spelling?) leaving besides Seguin and Horton. Maybe the new guys from Dallas (besides Erikson) can help the depth but that is an unknown. Didn’t they also lose the B/U Goalie?

  10. Chuck says:

    I’m pretty sure that I read a post below saying that we shouldbuild a team specifically for the playoffs even if it means that they aren’t good enough to make the playoffs. .. huh?!

    • punkster says:

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        That may be true…but I live in Shanghai, where at any time of night or day you can say to someone walking down the street “Those are some nice pajamas you’ve got on there”
        My point? Don’t really have one: I just wanted to mention that.

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  11. HabFanSince72 says:

    Is it just me or did Ottawa make a serious mistake in giving away three #1 picks for Bobby Ryan (2 years left on his contract)?

    The Sens aren’t really a tweak or two away from contending and they’ve just partly mortgaged their future for a guy who might only be there for 2 years, and in any case isn’t THAT good.

    Next year’s pick might be a good one too. I can see them missing the playoffs.

    • Bill J says:

      I think in Ottawa they think they have a perennial vezina winner, and thus believe they belong in the finals every year.

      Thus this bold move.

      I agree with you, when Anaheim gets a high pick and the Sens fail to resign Ryan, that will be the end of Murray in Ottawa.

      Go Habs Go!

      • Mavid says:

        they are too busy crying and setting Alfie pictures on fire to notice anything that was done after that..and yes Bill your right just like every other goalie this one is “the one” who is going to lead them to the promise land….it was Norris winning Karlsson, now they have switched to Jack Adams winning McLean..how come we don’t do that..its not PK Subban its, Norris trophy winning PK..and Masterson winning Max..

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      Murray seems to make some bold moves, but they usually seem to pay off. I think Ottawa is better than some give them credit for on this site.

    • mksness says:

      well unlike in montreal how all of our prospects are golden… some times it makes sense to trade for a 30 goal scorer even if it means trading away some prospects

      they didn’t give away 3 #1 picks
      – next years’s first round
      – Silfverberg was a second round pick
      – Noesen was a first round pick but saw a drop in production in the ohl.

      bobby ryan is an elite player in this league. but if he’s doesn’t stay past his contract… then it will really hurt.

    • Savardian Spin-o-rama says:

      Isn’t that good? Tell that to Habs midget dmen when he comes busting down the wing with fellow behemoth Spezza and Michalek in tow. Somehow, I don’t think it’s the same feeling Sens dmen will have when the Habs top line is coming down on them.

  12. Scotty90 says:

    This from a Bruins Blog site: “Montreal trades for Parros….get Thornton some help already…! LOL

    Word getting around… no more liberties to be taken with Habs….party is over!

    Welcome to Montreal George! while you are here, work on your former team mate Travis and get him back on track.

    • ZepFan2 says:

      I was thinking this could be the move that helps Moen get motivated.

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      • mksness says:

        Moen is pretty much being payed to watch hockey not really play. he doesn’t score, move the puck, hit or fight…

        but i bet you he has character:-p

  13. gordon bombay says:

    Anyone think we could ditch Moen for some picks and go grab Morrow? I am sure Carbo’s daughter wouldn’t mind coming to MTL for a couple years.

    • Ron says:

      Yesterday it was twitted that he had finished the playoffs with a split kneecap. If so how long will that take too heal. Can’t see him being very productive this coming season.

      • gordon bombay says:

        That’s nothing duct tape can’t fix….even on one leg Morrow > Moen, if Moen doesn’t imrpove over last year.

        • Ron says:

          Parros and Moen were on the cup winning team together. George mentioned yesterday he will be glad to get back together. It is possible Moen was playing hurt last season. If so then I think George MIGHT beable to light a fire under him. Parros makes it possible for any player to play with abit more spunk.

          • habstrinifan says:

            You had me until the “it was possible Moen.. hurt”. I dont mean to be abrupt but HABS has to start thinking less ‘possibles’ and facing up to the ‘stats’ they see in front of them. A player like Moen just shouldnt be in our plans pass the 1st mth… unless he has a huge rebound accompanied by the team doing well. If he is playing well and the team isnt playing well then even that wont deter me from saying move him.

            Remember how we couldnt get rid of AK46 cause he was always to be counted on to score a certain numbee of goals and make a certain number of hits etc (I may even have been among those who thought what.. u cant risk losing this guy). Meanwhile our team kept getting worse and worse.. We have a few of those type players.

  14. Bill H says:

    As many here have noted, we need one or two big, strong, scoring wingers and a tough hitting stay at home dman. However, those 2 commodities were not available for a reasonable price.

    So MB signed Briere and traded for Parros. At least the Parros deal is for the right term (1 year on his contract) and right cap hit ($937,500). It is a stop gap measure while we develop our own talent.

    Briere, on the other hand, will get $4M for 2 years. That’s relatively short term and the cap hit isn’t too bad. We’ll have to see how that works out. If he hasn’t lost too much and stays healthy, then everyone is happy. Well, maybe not Timo, but you can’t please everyone.

    We have used our two compliance buyouts on two players that were brought in that were meant to be a quick fix for the team. I hope MB does not cave into pressure for quick fixes because they rarely work out.

  15. Ian Cobb says:

    We finished 1st in our division and 2nd in the conference last year, if I remember correctly.
    Our kids have another year of development under their belt and our management and coaching staff now knows how to use our talent better, that are in our organization.

    This years roster will be a stronger and faster club than last years.
    We will do just fine, and be well entertained again.
    And besides, they have all of us here at HIO cheering them on.
    We are in for a fun season for sure.!

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    Bergevin is sticking to his development program, and I think it is just great. Our roster is stronger this year with kids making the jump from the development program. Going to be another fun year!!

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    • habstrinifan says:

      “We finished 1st in our division and 2nd in the conference last year” Very likely misleading. Shouldnt factor in heavily in our preparation/decision making for this season.

  16. Ozmodiar says:

    MB stands pat during the frenzy! Good for him. Crazy contracts, for the most part, with terms that spell trouble down the road. We don’t even know which players were willing to sign with Montreal, so it’s tough to criticize what he didn’t do.

    What I don’t like is the one significant move he did make – Briere. A small, aging, injury plagued center addition to a team that is already small, injury plagued, and complete with 4 centermen. It doesn’t make sense.

    Having said that, there’s still time for MB to fix this, so, benefit of the doubt for now. However, if they start the season with DD, Gionta and Briere in the top 6, we’re in for a long season.

  17. Habfan17 says:

    MB should sign Greg Zanon, he looks like Joe Leduc from Grand prix Wrestling…lol What a beard!!

    he should also sign centre Travis Morin and then find a right wing named Travis The the 4th line could be the T line…lol
    Habfan17

  18. lakechamplain says:

    Guys, I think we’ve pretty well exhausted all the ramifications of the free agent signings. But I think what’s more important to the Habs future isn’t happening in the free agent frenzy but out at Brossard the last several days.
    The first day someone had a great post with thumbnails of all 56 skaters(!) and it was great. Has anyone else here been out there to see the future and have any thoughts? That is where the heart of this team is going to be in a few years. Great teams build from the inside and if some of you guys could take some chill pills and lay off every move MB makes once in a while lets see what is there. Would appreciate any observations people that were at Brossard have….

    • habitunts1 says:

      Thanks so much for your input Lakechamplain I don’t have any heartaches over our recent signings in fact signing them short term was prudent and wise. Parros was a good signing, we needed another enforcer without a doubt and signing Briere will bring us more goals. The younger guys in the system will be up in no time
      How many Goals do you people thing Danny Briere will get in 2013-14? I’m thinking between 10 and 15

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  19. habitunts1 says:

    Is MB all done with the Free Agency Frenzy because I would of hoped he would of signed Mikhail Grabovsky.

    #10

  20. Hobie Hansen says:

    The one thing people are missing about the deal given to David Clarkson, yes it’s a lot of term at a high price, is the impact he’ll have in the playoffs.

    I can just see it now, people will be laughing and calling the Leafs suckers when he scores 18 goals next year for $5 million. But then the playoffs will start and he’ll be banging and smashing his way to the front of the net and that’s where he’ll earn his money.

    Look at Bickell in Chicago, during the regular season Toews, Kane and Sharp get all the attention but then a guy like Bickell is just as important or even more important on some nights during the playoffs.

    I’ve said it a couple times over the past few days, the regular season means squat.

    • Chris says:

      The argument that the regular season means squat is fatally flawed: the regular season can prevent a team from making those playoffs, as Clarkson found out last season.

      Handcap your cap situation too much, and you run the risk of being a team that doesn’t have the horses to make the dance.

      I don’t think Clarkson is a bad signing. But the Leafs’ offence was not a critical issue last season: their defence was. And like Montreal, they did nothing to fix their most glaring weakness, but signed contracts that make it harder to bring in the type of impact defender they so desperately need.

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        Fatally flawed, give me a break.

        Take a look at Boston, they looked terrible during the crap shot that is the regular season, with all the stupid penalties handed out and all the chaos.

        Then when the real games started the real Bruins molded into form and showed up.

        It’s a balancing act for sure but I’d much rather have a team built for the playoffs than a team hoping for PPs all regular season to pad their win totals that will get creamed when the games get tough.

        Even if it means finishing lower in the standing or possibly missing the playoffs altogether.

        • Chris says:

          No question. Balancing for the playoffs is the successful model.

          But arguments that 82 game regular season don’t mean squat are inane. New Jersey found that out last season. Los Angeles very nearly discovered that the year they won the Stanley Cup. It is great that you can grind out 2-1 wins in the playoffs. That is how you win championships.

          But grinding out 2-1 wins for 82 games is a quick way to wear your team down.

      • Ozmodiar says:

        I think Hobie just means that success in the regular season means squat if you fail miserably in the playoffs. You know, in the final analysis. I’m sure he’s dialed in to the fact that a team needs a decent enough regular season to make the playoffs.

        • Chris says:

          I’m sure he does too.

          But here’s the issue: you can sign high-priced talent to build a playoff team. That is precisely what Tampa Bay did, and that talent got them to a conference final when they made the playoffs last.

          The problem is that that high-priced talent handcuffed them so badly against the cap that they simply have no depth to survive an injury to their big guns. In Tampa’s case, they couldn’t over come the injuries to Ohlund, Lecavalier and Malone and the weak goaltending that they have.

          Success in the regular season can mean a lot of things: home-ice advantage, which is huge for some teams. It can mean favourable match-ups. Montreal saw what happens in 2009-10 when they took out the Capitals and then the Penguins and then simply ran out of gas against the Flyers.

          Signings like Clowe and Clarkson are great if you make the playoffs. But they are also the kind of guys that carry a higher than average risk of breaking down and making it harder for you to get there.

          I think Montreal has too many small forwards, and not enough grit. I think we all believe that. But UFA is not the right place to go get that type of player unless you are a legitimate Stanley Cup contender. The 2013-14 Montreal Canadiens are not, and the addition of Clarkson or Clowe was not going to change that assessment.

          • kalevine says:

            just to point out, Habs had a VERY mediocre regular season in 2009-10 and barely made the playoffs in 8th spot. The result was matchups against top seeded regular season opposition in rounds 1 and 2 who were apparently even less built for the playoffs than the Habs. When they finally played the 7th seed, who WERE built for the playoffs, it was all over

          • Chris says:

            I think the “built for the playoffs” thing has always been a bit overstated.

            I agree that teams that are geared solely around the PP are not in good shape come playoff time. You need 5 vs. 5 scoring and you need to be at least three lines deep.

            But there is also a rock-paper-scissors aspect to the whole mess: the Habs have never matched up well with the Flyers. But the Flyers get their rear ends handed to them by some other teams.

            Montreal beat Washington and Pittsburgh by good team defence, timely scoring and excellent goaltending. The scoring and goaltending fell back to Earth in round 3, and so did the Habs.

    • ont fan says:

      And yet the leaf fans are unhappy ’cause they didn’t address a big top 4 defenseman or no. 1 centre. Wing fans seem to be the only happy campers.

    • Mark C says:

      5 goals in 44 games, the guys a killer in the post season.

    • Thomas Le Fan says:

      Clarkson has had one very good season. Certainly good enough to be a potential piece of the puzzle on a winner but the Leafs are overpaying him for that and his contract is too long. Can we say future compliance buy out?

      There is no crying in baseball, “i” in team or “chuck” in Galchenyuk.

  21. Thomas Le Fan says:

    At a glance, GMs once again over paid and in many cases WAY overpaid for puzzle pieces and over aged stars. The lockout was a joke. I did enjoy the shortened season however so there’s that. I give Bergevin an A for, whether accidentally or on purpose, mostly staying out of it.

    There is no crying in baseball, “i” in team or “chuck” in Galchenyuk.

  22. thehammer says:

    Anyone hear of any legit rumour talks?

  23. Ian Cobb says:

    Now with the Canadian $ dropping like a stone, and it will continue to do so for a couple of years, it is going to be even harder for the Canadian teams to compete with the USA based teams.

  24. otisfxu says:

    Great, we have someone who can beat up Colton Orr. There that took two minutes,,,,next shift and rest of game Clarkson and company are running over DD and the rest of our sweethearts and are up 3-0.

  25. Captain aHab says:

    So you’re Marc Bergevin and the Habs call you about their GM position. You look at the situation:

    1) Team sucked and gets a top three pick in the upcoming draft
    2) Team is up against the cap so is likely to suck some more

    You say to yourself:

    I get to draft a top line talent
    I get to blame the previous admin for having my hands tied and can’t make a huge improvement on the team
    Team will likely suck again hard for another year
    I get to draft another top tier talent (kinda like the Toews/Kane situation)
    After the team sucks hard in my first year as GM, I can tell people that the goal next year is to make the playoffs and I can slowly build from there
    Where do I sign?

    Then the team goes out and flat out surprises everyone by having a great regular season, thereby:

    Depriving Bergevin from getting the second top tier talent he thought he would get and now putting pressure on the team to go further into the playoffs, instead of just making them. But Bergevin’s hands are still pretty much tied because of the cap.

    Pretty sure he wasn’t expecting this.

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  26. Marc Bergevin didn’t trade any of our young talent, that’s great work by the man. I don’t understand signing Briere, but I will support it just like every other move this club has made over the last 41 years. Sometimes it pays off, sometimes it stinks. But I’m not gonna get angry over anything the club does. Life’s too short.

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  27. JF says:

    Missed all the frenzy yesterday, but after taking in the full extent of the idiocy that went down, I’m wondering why the NHL bothered staging the lockout. A year after crying poverty, the owners are flinging money and term around as though their pockets have no bottoms. Seven years for Clarkson and Horton? Five years at nearly $5 million for Ryan Clowe? Insane. I’m certainly glad Bergevin had the sense to keep a cool head and his hands in his pockets. There were a couple of guys who might have looked good with the Habs, but not at the prices being paid. The Briere deal looks even better by comparison. He plays bigger than his size, he’ll help the powerplay, he’s clutch in the playoffs, and above all, his contract won’t become an albatross.

    As for Parros, I can imagine the smiles on the faces of the Habs after that trade. Hopefully we won’t have to watch our team being humiliated by the Leafs, Bruins, or Senators next season.

    But, while we might be a little tougher in the sense that we have someone who can intimidate, we don’t have any more muscle spread throughout the lineup than last year – less with Emelin’s absence until late November. We still need a big, tough winger and a physical, stay-at-home defenceman, and I can’t imagine how or where Bergevin will get these players. This may be a very tough season, especially since the Redwings have joined our division and both the Leafs and Senators have improved.

    • Maritime Ron says:

      Morning JF

      Here’s believing that MB is far from finished.
      There are still several UFAs on the market and potential trades are not out of the question once camp and injuries arrive.
      Some teams may also have Cap issues so just because we did little yesterday, doesn’t mean we’re finished.

      As for Detroit joining the division, several forget that Columbus is coming also. The Blue Jackets lost out to Minny in a tie breaker for 8th in the West, so they will be another big tough bubble team.

      • JF says:

        Not sure how playoff seeding will be done, but Columbus will be in the other division of our Conference. Does that make a difference?

        • Chris says:

          It does. Top 3 from each division make the playoffs automatically, and the remaining two spots are a dogfight between the rest of the teams in the conference and are based on total points. So in principle, one division could have as many as 5 playoff teams.

  28. Andy and the habs says:

    Cal, Edmonton’s unwillingness to draft top of the line defensemen have them sucking like that every year. It’s funny some people here want their only physical defense as a trade in for Gorges and DD. Canadiens, as they showed this year, are not 10 years away from being a really good team. Who did we loose to be set back to 10 years from competing for the cup?

    • Cal says:

      Look at the core of the Habs right now and the role players. They are nowhere near good enough. With PK, Chucky and Eller (notice how I do NOT include Price) with tiny tot Gallagher there are more holes than players on the roster. If MB is going to rely on drafting, we better be prepared as fans for the team to stink for a long time.

  29. Andy and the habs says:

    It was a nice read early on from very knowledgable posters and those who know reality MB face when it comes signing expensive UFA’S and the salary cap situation Canadiens management has to face. Now the broken record starts again which some here refer as entertainment before the actual game starts.

    • otisfxu says:

      Speaking of broken records – how about the one we hear from Habs management for the last 20 years,

      Yes teams did pay a price for some of these UFA’s, but that just may be what you have to do. Build through the draft?? How’s that working in Edmonton? How long is that going to take.

      I can guarantee there are Habs players right now who are disappointed that no positive additions were made. (also guarantee they are rolling their eyes with Parros signing)

  30. Ian Cobb says:

    Good Morning boys and girls.
    Under the new cap rules, G.M.’s spent a ton of money yesterday, trying to buy a CUP. But alas they still don’t get it. The only way to get there is through the draft and development program. Filling the odd hole with a couple is alright, until the kids are NHL ready.
    Bergevin is sticking to his development program, and I think it is just great. Our roster is stronger this year with kids making the jump from the development program. Going to be another fun year!!

    Once the new NHL scheduled comes out, I will be selecting the best HIO FAN SUMMIT game possible for all of us in late Oct.

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    Most of us stay at the Novatel hotel, who offer us special prices.

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    • Cal says:

      I wish I had your optimism, Ian, but I fear the shortened season was a three month mirage.
      The schedule should be released when the bigwigs make the deal for the Olympics. Hopefully, Monday or Tuesday.

  31. rhino514 says:

    Random thoughts:

    1) If a small market, Canadian team like the Sens are capable of getting a guy like Ryan, so are we.

    2) Is Parros still, at his age, that much of a better fighter than Staubitz (or other guys)? Because the latter could actually skate.

    3) Strange that they went after Briere so quickly, when Horton, for example ended up going to Columbus. And there are still other possible trades out there. Maybe the ex-bruin wouldn´t consider the habs out of loyalty to his former team. But man, he´s only about 1 million a year less than Briere and much more valuable.

    4) Why are people thinking Drewiske has the edge on Tinordi for a spot? Wasn´t Tinordi one of the more effective defenders in our short playoff run?

    • Maritime Ron says:

      1) We are not ready for a trade like that because we do not possess the depth of young assets that Sens have. We are still in transition and far from assured a playoff spot next year. The Sens gave up 2 great kids + a 1st rounder. If we do that trade and end up in the bottom 10……

      2) Parros is 1 of the top in the league at his job. Staubitz was destroyed in many of his fights.

      3) Columbus is stuck with Horton for 7 years @ $5.3M. Briere is at $4M/year for 2 years

      • Ron says:

        Of all the trades of UFA signings that had taken place yesterday I find the Horton one more than a head scratcher. The man is going for shoulder surgery and will be out for sometime. His concussion history also raises some flags. Briere has some concussion issues as well but on a 2 year deal he is somewhat in and out. Horton is there for the long haul.

        • Maritime Ron says:

          Columbus is not a bad team as they finished tied with Minny for 8th in the West.
          Horton does have issues, yet maybe his intangibles of leadership and a Cup ring also have huge value to a young and upcoming team

          • Ron says:

            Horton was never a in your face player in Florida. It was his time in Boston that changed his style. I think it was a forced style which he took on because of the supporting thug cast. Imo I think he left Boston to get away from that somewhat crazy crap that transpired. Yes, sometimes you can put a cup ring in a kids face and they will respond for a while after that it becomes moot. I don’t think he has leadership qualities and 7 years is a long haul for CBJ to hold that contract. Since they are now in the East most teams he plays know all to well his play. Good luck to CBJ.

    • SlovakHab says:

      Horton clearly stated that he left Boston to live in a smaller city and play in a less crazy hockey market. There was a 0% chance he’d sign with Habs.

    • Cal says:

      1. Agreed. But why pay for quality when you can have Briere?
      2. Staubitz can’t skate- neither can Parros.
      3. Attracting excellent UFAs is always tough here in Montreal. Players may actually be recognized on the street, causing them to panic and go hide in their hobbit holes.
      4. Drewiske was a waste of a trade. Soft as butter in 90° heat. But he can move the puck (insert sarcasm font here).

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    • ont fan says:

      Horton said last night he pursued Columbus. He wanted to go to a small market for him and his families sake. Why they gave him 7 years when no one else was bidding is beyond me. Clarkson also stated Edmonton, Ottawa and Toronto were the places he wanted to go. Vinny was never interested. Complain all you want, but until you have drafted a contender, Montreal isn’t the destination for free agents. When asked about the heat Clarkson may take if they are in a prolonged losing streak, he said, I realize it’s part of the business in this market. Bring it on.

  32. Hobie Hansen says:

    The big question with the Canadiens next season will be their ability to keep the puck from going the other way. That’s why the size issue is so important.

    When there’s a loose puck just inside the other team’s blue line and you have Desharnais trying to recover or Gionta or Briere along the wall, that’s a battle they’re going to lose against larger forwards or defencemen.

    Or when the puck is bouncing around in front if Price and Diaz, Gorges, Bouillon and Markov are scrambling for their lives against a bunch of 6’3″ forwards. That was evidently painful towards the end of last year and in the playoffs.

    What absolutely has to happen for the Habs to improve is that Emelin returns healthy and better than ever, Tinordi improves and makes the team out of training camp and Gorges regains what he had in previous years.

    Eller, Pacioretty, Bourque and Galchenyuk are also going to have to use their size to recover lose pucks in the other team’s end, along the wall, in the corner and in front of the net.

    And when the likes of Prust, Moen, White and Parros are out there, they’ve got to pin the other team down and punish them!

    The Habs real needs this off season are/were another big scoring forward and a big physical defenceman. It hasn’t happened so far.

    • Maritime Ron says:

      Unfortunately, the ” big scoring forward and a big physical defenceman” do not grow on trees.

      UFA Market? You know the obstacles with a Canadian team + the crazy price and term it costs. (see Clarkson-Crowe)

      Trades? Seldom do these guys come up for trade and if they ever do, the other team wants Galchenyuk, Eller, Tinordi….all of our core moving forward. They don’t want our scraps that shall remain nameless

      So what’s left? Draft and develop….

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        I agree 100%. But as a result of the high prices for these types of guys and us refusing to pay it, we’ve got to suck it up, deal with mediocrity and hope for some luck. Like staying healthy and catching a team on their heals in the playoffs. The ability to roll four big lines and let the cards fall as they may won’t work for the Habs.

        Bergevin will get there one day, he knows what he has to do. I’m glad we didn’t overpay or trade away a bunch of young players but I was hoping we’d take a step towards being in that group of five or six elite teams. Instead we’re a bubble team that will need a lot of luck and magic to go anywhere in the playoffs, the common theme of the last 20 years. The regular season means nothing.

        • Maritime Ron says:

          Hobie, I love our Habs , yet would not be surprised if we did not make the playoffs this year with realignment…and that may not be a bad thing in the BIG picture.

          If it looks like we won’t make it, we get rid of Markov/Gio and maybe a few others at the trade deadline and stock up on draft picks and prospects (see Ottawa).
          Then we draft in the Top 14 where good prospects hang out.

          If we are close, those type of trades can almost not happen

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Good (Irish) afternoon, Hobie and Ron,
      Excellent discussion. The way you arrive at the current situation is the way I see it also.
      It got pretty stupid in here last night, so thoughtful — as well as insightful — dialogue is a relief and a pleasure.
      Wow it’s a hot, cloudless, Canadian-style summer day here. Gotta make hay!
      Mike

  33. habstrinifan says:

    OK folks.. I’m done! MB didnt listen! Some ahyou folks got mad! We start play like what next week. So no more get, trade, sign, extend, bench,bring up, send down, whatever.

    Even I am fed up of some of my ideas.

  34. Maritime Ron says:

    As the dust has now somewhat settled, a tip of the hat to MB and team for not getting caught up in the idiocy of the day and not panicking.
    There are still several players looking for jobs and some signings in the next days/weeks could surprise as to low cost.

    Rest assured there are some GMs waking up this AM and saying, ” What the hell did I just do?” ( See Nonis-Toronto)

    A quick look at Cap Geek makes it appear that they are fine with 17 roster players signed and $10.8M left, yet closer scrutiny shows big problems on the horizon.

    In reality, they have 10 NHL forwards signed and have to deal with RFA Kadri (at least $3M) and Colbourne ($1.5M)
    The D is a mess. They have 3 NHL Dmen signed and need to deal with 3 RFAs that will cost then at least $10M + they need 2 more roster contracts.

    *A GMs body of work needs an evaluation period of 10 years according to Kenny Holland of Detroit.
    Even if one is impatient (is that possible?) MB deserves at least 5 years.

    • Cal says:

      Not addressing the need for D with some size is a problem. (If no team wants Weber, why not release him?)
      The lack of trading demonstrates the Habs have a lot of role players no one else wants.
      Thus far MB has replaced Cole with Ryder and now Briere. That’s a step back. Briere is small and will get banged up and maybe play 50 games per season.
      MB has found help for Prust. Will Parros do the job or be Laraque II?
      Lots of Summer left, but a discouraging start.

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      • Maritime Ron says:

        Hi Cal

        Perhaps you missed the Weber news in all the frenzy but he signed with the Canucks for $650K.

        As for trades, besides the core guys moving forward, we have litttle that other teams want.
        The only way to build up assets is via the draft

        • Cal says:

          Thank heavens his roster spot is open.
          He should have been released two years ago.
          There is a balance to drafting, trading and UFA signings. Relying on the draft only (where one in three or four actually make the NHL team- and maybe one choice every two to three years actually makes an impact- sets the team up for a 10 year build) is going to mean years of sucking. Look at Edmonton. Their sucking hasn’t finished yet and they’ve been at it for 6 seasons now.

          • Maritime Ron says:

            Agreed Cal, but we need assets that other teams want in a trade. That is built via the draft.
            Remember, MB was left with a just about a bare cupboard.
            Our time will come for key strategic trades, and once we have a serious Cup contender, those UFAs may start showing greater interest

  35. Fransaskois says:

    @Trini

    You were asking about Magnus Paajarvi…. I would do whatever I could to snag this player. His development’s been all over the place in Edmonton and this could be the year he gets a real chance at a consistent stretch in the NHL. He’s got excellent tools but needs to put it together, similar to Eller last year. He used to be a bit of a cream puff but he’s worked very hard on that and is now bringing a bit of physicality and is using his frame quite well.

    Now, speaking of RFAs….. There’s a large, young, NHL-ready, French Canadian player stuck on a team with very good depth and very little cap room. Based on who he’s playing with, I would have no problems sending over an offer sheet. He’d be perfect for our bottom-6. Guess who?

  36. SlovakHab says:

    Habs Development Camp Report – Day 3
    http://www.allhabs.net/canadiens-prospects/habs-development-camp-report-day-3/

    Good read for Habs prospects junkies like me! :D

  37. habstrinifan says:

    Marc Bergevin’s biggest questions are probably not who to bring in but who to let go. If he doesnt we will have the same players, under the guise of responsible veterans, taking up the prime TOI.

    If building from within is how we need to go then ‘culling’ the team is a big part of that. There are players that if they stay on this team for next season will deminish the development opportunities of younger players while not advancing the prospects of the team down the road.

    • Maritime Ron says:

      Good Morning Trin.

      Perhaps it’s just a question of time and TRUST before any culling commences.

      Take Eller as an example.
      He finished great, yet sat out a few early games.
      While there is great belief he is the real deal, we’ll find out this year in an 82 game schedule.
      Same type of scenario for Galchenyuk, Gallagher, and 2 or 3 of Tinordi-Beaulieu-Pateryn.

      We need to know exactly what we have first before moving the Plex-Markovs of the team.

      • Hali_Hab says:

        Hey Ron where about on the South shore are you? I am up in Chester Basin. I read your post about the heat as I made the mistake of mowing my grass in that heat. After all that rain it took me the better part of 5 hrs. I felt like a piece of bacon when I was done.

        • Maritime Ron says:

          St. Margarets Bay!
          You are a brave man as I can’t ever remember that type of heat along the water. How the heck did you stay hydrated?
          I don’t know if you were out last night but it was spectacular. Rarely do we see the Bay that calm and there wasn’t a touch of breeze. Did you guys have the same down there?

      • Habfan17 says:

        Hi Maritime,

        What you say makes a lot of sense. We may not see any significant moves until training camp. The rookie and training camps should be very interesting this year. Last summer, the Habs held two development camps, I wonder if they will this summer.

        Habfan17

      • Cal says:

        49 games + 5 playoff games isn’t enough to know?
        That’s plenty of time. The culling should have begun after the last playoff game.

    • Habfan17 says:

      Morning Trin!

      If you recall, Bergevin did say in one of his earlier press conferences, he wants the young players to force him to put them in the line up. I do agree with you, some of them need more ice time and there are still a couple of holes to fill. I am glad they didn’t over spend on any of the free agents that were signed yesterday. I would not mind if MB could trade Pleks for Stewart, but not Perron, I think Collberg will be better than him. Nygren may also be ready to take a spot making Diaz expendable. I also think Pateryn is ready and will add size and grit. I would like MB to package DD and Gorges to get a true first pair defenceman with sandpaper.

      Habfan17

  38. Andy and the habs says:

    The signing of Parros as Maritime Ron points out is putting a smile on Canadien players faces for sure. Remember the game against Toronto and Carlyle had a comment in regards to the attend to injure one of the Canadiens player? This has been in MB’s mind all this time. He is the one with a little more peace of mind. When he said that is what the division has, he was specifically talking the stupide Leafs.

    • SlovakHab says:

      If Parros plays against teams like Leafs, that helps heaps.
      Leafs do not roll 4 lines because of Orr and other goons, so he will be very useful there to fight without putting us in disadvantage.
      Can also play against weaker teams like Florida, Tampa…

      But please keep him off the lineup versus skilled teams like Detroit. They will ice 4 strong lines and will bury us in our zone if we play players like Parros and limit ourselves to 3 lines playing big minutes.

      • Maritime Ron says:

        That is probably the plan,

        • SlovakHab says:

          I liked the way we rolled 4 full lines in 2012-13 without 5-minute players. If that stays the same over the coming season, I won’t complain about this signing. But at the same time, I don’t ever want to see us embarrassed and beaten up like Leafs did in that 6-0 game. Parros could help.
          Also Prust is a decent 3rd or high-end 4th liner and I’d rather have him on ice than penalty box.

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        Good points, Slovak. I don’t know how Florida deployed Parros, but I think what you describe is pretty much how Buffalo was using John Scott.

  39. SlovakHab says:

    I just looked at Habs and Bruins current rosters and realized one thing: Habs have more players on current roster over 200lbs than big bad Bruins.
    Advantage Habs 11-8.
    If we want to talk about players over 210 lbs, advanatage Habs 8 – 5.
    For example Plekanec (at around 196 lbs) is much lighter than only 3 Bruins forwards: Lucic, Paille and Thornton.
    Source:
    http://canadiens.nhl.com/club/roster.htm
    http://bruins.nhl.com/club/roster.htm
    (Iginla isn’t there but I counted him, over 200 lbs)

    Bearing in mind that Horton is gone, Chara/Thornton are aging and Habs size in Tinordi/Pateryn/Bealieu is still growing into their frames, we might see ourselves not being physically intimidated very, very soon.

    Very likely subtractions in 2014 are Desharnais, Gionta, Bouillon and one of Markov/Gorges.

    I think 2013/14 is the last season we hear & read about “small” Canadiens.

    • Ncognito says:

      Great post – hit the nail on the head. Habs have size coming in the immediate to near future. That’s why the smaller forwards just drafted is not a major concern. They drafted size early this year and since they are earlier picks they *should* be NHL ready earlier.

      • SlovakHab says:

        People are concerned because we have Gionta/Gallagher/Briere/DD situation in top-9 and Bouillon/Diaz/ on D, but I believe most of these players will be replaced soon, when our youth is ready. No reason to push them while they are still growing. And no reason to sign 3rd liners to 7-year, 35-million contracts. Briere might not be ideal, but could be good for 40-50 points, might fetch an asset in a trade and has experience and versatility (C/RW). Yes, he is a defensive liability and won’t intimidate physically, but should be a good teammate and add depth to our team. There will be injuries for sure. Just look at Gionta/Emelin being out to start the season. You need some depth not to go 3W – 7L to start the season. Injuries are way too common in NHL and we currently have nobody in AHL to be a better replacement option for top-6 than Danny Briere.

        • Cal says:

          The reason you have to push them is because we fans will have to pay to watch these tiny tots fail to compete. This normal regular season will demonstrate what I’m talking about. After the first forty games, this team will be gassed and will be hard pressed to be a .500 club.

          • SlovakHab says:

            Look, I admit I spend $0 per year to watch Canadiens and have other things on my mind than just hockey, so I can wait for 1-2 years to improve the team
            But “gassed”? Are you talking about the lack of conditioning?
            They are professional and will do okay in 82-game sched. Like I said before, they are all around 200lbs, they are not tiny and will do just all right. They are not Tampa/Florida territory for sure.

          • Cal says:

            @Slovak
            I’m talking about relying on small players to score. Gio, DD, Gally and now Briere. That’s 4 of the top 9 that are too small. One, ok. Even two, maybe. But half? Nuts.

          • SlovakHab says:

            Yeah, you just repeated my first sentence from above.

            “People are concerned because we have Gionta/Gallagher/Briere/DD situation in top-9 and Bouillon/Diaz/ on D, but I believe most of these players will be replaced soon, when our youth is ready. No reason to push them while they are still growing. And no reason to sign 3rd liners to 7-year, 35-million contracts.”

            Let’s wait for 2-3 years, shall we?
            There is no immediate solution.

    • Maritime Ron says:

      Right on
      Thornton turns 36 in a few weeks and his days of idiot brawling are coming to an end…and unless Chara was hurt, both the Leafs and Hawks exposed him as they dumped the puck to his side – forced him to pivot and skate hard, then hit him.

      As for size, that can sometimes be misleading.
      There was no softer NHL Dman than Kaberle. yet he was listed at 214. Then you have the ever despised Andrew Ference that plays big and mean yet only weighs 190 lbs.

      Perhaps it’s more about strength, toughness, and will to compete. When that becomes packaged in a big guy such as Lucic, then we hit the jackpot

      • SlovakHab says:

        Yeah, Chara got exposed by Leafs/Hawks speed for sure.
        There’s your recipe.
        He also gets upset easily and you can throw him off his game.
        Bruins are still a contender, but I think their times of dominating Northeast are over. Bots us and Ottawa will give them run for their money and Leafs should be half-decent for 2 years before Bozak and Clarkson contracts cripple them.

  40. Andy and the habs says:

    JarryPark, he is soff

  41. Andy and the habs says:

    Good morning Habfan! Funny the Igor comment there are so many of us here. I agree Marc B has a plan in place and he is not biting on these expensive UFA’s thankfully. Hopefully it turns out well.

  42. JarryPark says:

    Wasn’t Ryder’s camp expecting more Term/$$$? I’m confused as to why he was given so little (no raise). That would have been a nice easy contract for the Habs.

  43. Maritime Ron says:

    Good Morning morning crew

    Unbelievably hot yesterday for south shore NS and a continuation today of +34C-35C. Winds are from the west, so no cool ocean breeze happening.

    While I dislike the ‘staged fight’, the NHL ‘is what it is’ and we MUST protect our little guys and we MUST protect Prust.

    Flashback to the game last year when the Leafs were at the Bell Center. The 2 goons of Orr and McLaren were running around with no answer looking to hurt people.

    This year, McLaren will get it on with Parros early, maybe Prust with Orr….then we can play hockey – and when we play hockey, we can beat anyone.

    There are a lot of Habs with HUGE smiles on their faces today!

    As for the rest of it, we’ll have to wait it out a few more years.
    To make trades, a team has to have an abundance of depth and prospects that other teams want.
    Bergevin was left with nothing and that pipeline needs to be built. Another year or 2 should do the trick.

    As for UFAs, Montreal will be problematic on some items, yet one of the best ways to attract these guys is putting a team together that has a chance to win.
    If MB does that, they will come a knocking….

    • JohninTruro says:

      Your comment of the weather in NS makes me think of a retweet by PK this morning from Yannick Weber as Yannick says “Going coast to coast, so happy to play in Vancouver” pretty sure Quebec is not part of NS or maybe he thought the Habs played in NS…can’t stand that ignorance!

  44. Fransaskois says:

    Still-sort-of-worth-looking-into Free Agents:

    Jack Skille (Size, offensive ability, youth, physicality, inconsistent)
    Mark Fistric (Our Emelin replacement)
    Daniel Cleary (Still a good role player, not as physical as I’d like)
    Douglas Murray (He’s painfully slow but still physical)
    Brenden Morrow (Get this man on a short term deal, Leadership, size)
    Peter Mueller (Offensive wizard, size, concussion issues)
    Ryan Jones (Decent role player, size, physicality)

    • SlovakHab says:

      Peter Mueller to replace DD in exploitation role with favourable zone starts might not be a disaster, depending on what asset DD brings back (probably just cap space, hahah).
      Morrow/Murray/Fistric are interesting suggestions.
      Morrow is a LW and although not very tall at 5’11, LW is our weakness right now and on 3rd line, he could very nicely complement DD and Briere, both weak defensively.

    • habstrinifan says:

      Fistric will be a good pickup for defence grit.
      Personally dont like any of the forwards there. But what do you think of making a deal with Edmonton, providing we can sign this player, for Magnus Paajarvi. This was a highly touted player who has size and skill and may fit up front.

      • Habfan17 says:

        I would like to see if Mb could trade for Paajarvi, as long as the cost was a comparable player, maybe Holland, he is a western kid and Edmonton do not have many right wings in their system. I would not want to give more, unless they would take DD.

        Habfan17

  45. Habfan10912 says:

    Good morning morning people. Another hot humid one here.
    First thing first, to Haboroma, congrats on being a Grandpa. It’s the best job I’ve ever had and I’m sure you’ll love it too!

    Just a comment on some of the comments. I know we a passionate fan base and at the same time very knowledgeable about our team. Sometimes I picture us (yes, me included) like that Igor character on Winnie the Pooh just prodding sadly along waiting for the other shoe to drop. After yesterday I think I understand what Bergevin is trying to do.
    I didn’t like the Briere signing but when you look at it from the standpoint as a relatively risk-free, temporary stop-gap measure it’s allright. Who knows, maybe he’ll be a bit rejuvenated and contribute more than I think he will.

    When Prust hurriedly responded with sounds of joy in hearing of the Parros acquisition, that was good enough for me. At least we have someone who can protect Prust from going at it night after night after night.

    Bergevin (Mark the mouth if you prefer) has told us he believes a Cup Champion is build from the draft and that’s what he’s doing. I’m glad he’s not a weather vane and changing direction at every free agent or trade opportunity. He has a plan, right or wrong, and he’s going to stick to it. That is sound management and I think a winning formula.

    • Fransaskois says:

      Good Morning! I agree with what you say. It’s the boring thing to do but, it’s the most stable and sure-fire way to improve the team.

      However, I hate to see the team stagnate. If we are to go into the season with this roster (unlikely) then we need to be assessing how best to build around our core moving forward. It’s quite obvious we are not a win-now team, we need to find our cup window and prepare for it. To me, that means moving Markov, Bouillon, Gionta and potentially even Plekanec at the trade deadline if we are not in the hunt for the playoffs.

  46. Fransaskois says:

    Good morning, Morning Crew!

    6’2/219lbs – 5’7/177lbs – 5’9/178lbs
    6’2/213lbs – 5’11/196lbs – 5’10/179lbs
    6’1/196lbs – 6’2/209lbs – 5’7/174lbs
    6’2/218lbs – 6’0/194lbs – 6’0/195lbs
    x
    5’9/170lbs – 5’9/170lbs – 5’11/179lbs
    6’4/214lbs – 6’0/178lbs – 6’5/228lbs

    Pacioretty-Desharnais-Gallagher
    Bourque-Plekanec-Briere
    Galchenyuk-Eller-Gionta
    Moen-White-Prust
    x
    Thomas-Dumont-Bournival
    Blunden-Leblanc-Parros
    ———————————

    6’1/203lbs – 6’0/219lbs
    6’0/204lbs – 5’11/197lbs
    5’8/197lbs – 6’2/220lbs
    x
    6’1/182lbs – 6’6/205lbs
    6’2/214lbs

    Gorges-Subban
    Markov-Diaz
    Bouillon-Drewiskie
    x
    Beaulieu-Tinordi
    Pateryn
    ————————–

    Now, I think the problem is really quite obvious. 4.5/9 of our top forwards are weak defensively (Patches, DD, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Briere), 5/9 of our top forwards are undersized (DD, Plek, Briere, Gio, Gally), 2/6 of our top defenceman are relatively weak defensively (Markov, Diaz), 3/6 of our top defenceman would be considered undersized or weak (Diaz, Bouillon, Markov), and 4/6 of our AHL callups/extras are undersized.

    Our biggest weaknesses are IMO:
    Ability to control the front of the net
    Inability to establish a strong forecheck
    Winning puck battles along the boards
    Controlling physical play
    Forwards as defensive liabilities
    Lack of “bottom-6″ callups
    Lack of LW depth
    Lack of elite forward talent
    Poor defensive depth
    Physicality
    Coaching scheme

    Strengths:
    Special teams
    Youth
    Goaltending
    Puck moving defenceman
    Skill and speed in our forward group
    Transition play and offence off the rush

    Ideas on how we can improve? Realistic, cheap players we can acquire? Players left to sign?

    I’m absolutely choked that Winnipeg got Setoguchi for a 2nd round pick. I am all for building for the future but this is a situation where I would have been okay shipping off a pick.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Great post and good morning to you Fran! Bergevin is staying the course it appears. He used the Free Agent period for stop gap purposes. Right or wrong the man is sticking to his convictions, or so it appears.
      CHeers.

  47. bigjames says:

    GP kinda looks like Mike Mcphee

  48. Marc10 says:

    Character, grit, … Here it comes…

    Yes please. If this works I say thank you Philly for signing Vinny to that ridiculous deal…

    http://www.985sports.ca/hockey/nouvelles/maxime-talbot-et-braydon-coburn-a-montreal-250984.html

    Make it so!

    • habstrinifan says:

      Problem with this article I dont see any hint of what Philly wants back. So sounds like someone wishing for these players rather than hearing a real trade offer. Would be great though.

  49. jphk says:

    A goon! The Cup is finally on the way back. Clearly the missing ingredient.

    As much as this year was a surprise, I believe next year will be painful…

    • johnnylarue says:

      Next year will be painful because… we replaced Ryder with Briere? Signed George Parros? Got Price a new goalie coach??

      • Fransaskois says:

        I think we’re better than we were heading into Free Agency however, I still think we’ll see more of the Habs of the last quarter of the season than the ones we saw at the start.

  50. DAVE. N says:

    Not to be an arm chair GM (enough here already, and no seats left!)
    IMO, we have a young defense corp coming up, with Emelin out until Christmas at least, and Markov, IMO has never bounced back from knee issues, and I don’t think he will ever handle the regular ice time….so, that being said:
    Any particular interest in 2 older UFA’s, Joe Corvo or Douglas Murray? one year contracts ?

    • Ncognito says:

      I think Markov will be fine this year if his minutes are managed better. 18-20 minutes instead of 22-26 should help. Tinordi’s minutes will go up this season also. I’m not a fan of Corvo, but would take Murray for 1 year at the right price, and strictly as a stay at home D-man because he is has no speed at all.

  51. deuce6 says:

    Let’s add this one to the video montage..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pa6KpKfNlU

    ——————
    Brandon Prust doesn’t have hair on his testicles, because hair does not grow on steel….

  52. Sportfan says:

    Prust grows the big beard while Parros grows the stache!

    Sports and Entertainment in the link click and enjoy, clicking is fun!
    http://nickolaisblog.wordpress.com/

  53. Un Canadien errant says:

    It’s still bugging me. This should have been the Canadiens’ draft.

    (Note: picks with strikethrough are replaced with options in italics)

    1 25 25 MTL Michael McCarron RW USA 6′ 5″ 228
    2 4 34 MTL Jacob De La Rose LW SWE 6′ 2″ 190
    2 6 36 MTL Zachary Fucale G CAN 6′ 1″ 181
    2 25 55 MTL Artturi Lehkonen LW FIN 5’11″163
    3 3 64 NSH Jonathan-I. Diaby D CAN 6′ 5″ 223
    3 10 71 MTL Connor Crisp LW CAN 6′ 3″ 225
    3 27 88 EDM Anton Slepyshev LW RUS 6′ 2″ 194, or
    4 3 94 EDM Jackson Houck RW CAN 6′ 0″ 186
    3 25 86 MTL Sven Andrighetto RW CHE 5′ 9″ 175
    4 2 93 COL Mason Geertsen D CAN 6′ 3″ 199, or
    4 19 110 NYR Ryan Graves D CAN 6′ 4″ 220, or
    4 24 115 VAN Jordan Subban D CAN 5′ 9″ 175
    4 25 116 MTL Martin Reway LW CZE 5′ 8″ 158
    4 27 118 LAK Hudson Fasching RW USA 6′ 1″ 213, or
    5 18 139 DET Mitch Wheaton D CAN 6′ 4″ 228
    6 25 176 MTL Jeremy Gregoire C CAN 5′ 11″ 190

    Now hear me out. I know that’s the worst type of revisionism, second-guessing a team’s picks without their inside knowledge, their scouting reports, etc. I’m still going to do it. In most cases, I’m not hung up on a particular player, I’d have been okay with picking a player rated in the same cluster, but with different attributes (size and toughness) that earn them that grade.

    As you can see, I’m not touching the first three picks, since I feel the Canadiens were doing fine until that point, and were addressing some organizational needs with those players. I can’t argue, really, that one specific player would have been better than the incumbents.

    At pick #55 though, we’re starting to fishtail off the road. I really don’t discount that Arturri Lehkonen is a highly skilled forward, and I understand that he’s already playing with men in Finland. Still, I’ll believe when I see him scoring a goal while chewing on Dion Phaneuf’s VaporLite. Instead, the Canadiens should have picked giant defenceman and local kid Jonathan-Ismaël Diaby, as an adjunct to Jarred Tinordi in the medium term. While guys like Darren Dietz, Dalton Thrower and even Nathan Beaulieu play a physical style, they’d benefit from a bigger prospect who brings additional toughness to the ranks. It was a squandered opportunity to not add this guy to our system, as he’ll be difficult to match up against in the NHL; he won’t be just tall, but strong as an ox.

    The Connor Crisp pick at #71 is difficult for me to argue against, since I militate for a more physical prospect profile, but I’m going to do so anyway. Instead of a beefing-up reaction to the previous pick, if we already had the size of Mr. Diaby on board, we could focus on a big scorer like Anton Slepyshev, and take a second kick at the Alex Avtsin-Andrei Kostitsyn can, the undervalued (Bielo)Russian pick that could hit the jackpot. Or, to play it safer, we could take ho-hum Jackson Houck from the Giants, a bigger Brian Skrudland-type. He’d bring grit and hard work and leadership to the fold.

    #86, we’re launching off the road into the ditch. Why we take a chance on a short offensive player, when we’ve already got Mr. Lehkonen on the books, and Charles Hudon, Sebastian Collberg, Tim Bozon, and (at the time) Danny Kristo on the farm, is difficult to explain. Instead, we could have taken heart-and-soul tough guy defenceman Mason Geertsen of the Vancouver Giants, or PEI Rocket Ryan Graves. Yes, we’ve taken Jonathan Diaby in the second round in my parallel universe, but you can’t know which players will make it to the NHL eventually. We increase our odds of having a bigger defenceman to go along with Jarred Tinordi by taking a second d-man, whether Mr. Geertsen or Mr. Graves. If both big d-man picks pan out, that’s a great ‘problem’ to have.

    If we were to take a “homerun swing” on a smaller player, I would have preferred we take it on Jordan Subban, P.K.’s little brother, and see if he can make something of himself. Maybe by the time he’s ready for The Show in three or four years, with the expected turnover in personnel, we’d actually have room and opportunity on our blue line for a smaller offensive specialist, like the Bruins had for Torey Krug this playoff. That’s if we had to take the smaller player gambit. I really, really liked Mason Geertsen. Man he’d have worn the bleu blanc rouge proudly, like a bigger Lyle Odelein. In my parallel universe.

    Once we get to pick #115, with which we drafted Martin Reway, we’re upside down in the weeds with pond water slowly filling the passenger compartment. We don’t know if we can recover from this. He is the player-pick Trevor Timmins himself described as his “homerun swing”. The thing with swinging for the fences, instead of trying to make solid contact, is that you strike out a lot more that way. Especially since the howling wind of idiocy which is buffeting the NHL right now is blowing in our face and keeping the ball in the park. Mike Milbury and Don Cherry constant effluvia of argle-bargle makes it hard to connect with 5’9″ players. Instead, still on the board was Hudson Fasching, a big winger with the USNTDP with a cool story of how he had to mature quickly to help care for family members stricken with a genetic disorder. commandant had a glowing review, and compared his style to Andrew Ladd. We’re in the fifth round, this kid slipped down from a potential 2nd round pick, let’s take a cut at this pitch instead. It seems so easy to me. Or, let’s spin the Kelowna Rockets Big Wheel of Big Defenceman and land on towering project Mitchell Wheaton, see how he turns out.

    The obvious criticism of my re-draft will be that I don’t know the players, and I’m only focusing on size. And we can go back and forth. My point again remains that we needed to complement what we already have on the farm, take players with size to assist the smaller scorers like Sebastian Collberg and Brendan Gallagher, and the tweeners like Louis Leblanc and Michaël Bournival. And I think this re-draft demonstrates that there were talented prospects that would have served our purposes well but also were not as bafflingly small as Messrs. Lehkonen, Andrighetto and Reway.

    • jedimyrmidon says:

      To be honest, I really don’t understand why it’s bothering you to this extent.

      With Jonathan Diaby, it really seems like you are upset about missing this particular guy just like someone else was equally upset with the Habs not selecting William Carrier with the same pick. Lehkonen is a fine choice. Some may point to prior concussion issues as a risk factor, but behind Aleksander Barkov, I think he was the most productive 17yo in the Finnish Elite League. And for crying out loud, Lehkonen is slight in terms of mass, but he’s 5’11” and not <5'8".

      As for the rest, most 3rd round or later round picks have even less chances of panning out as useful players and so it makes sense to me that the Habs would draft guys they felt were most likely to become NHL players instead of also factoring in size and such. If, in this year’s draft, they mostly appear to be small, speedy, skilled wingers with *gasp* character (in the vein of Gallagher) then so be it. In past draft years, the Habs have drafted all manner of players, and I trust they will again in the future.

      The only truly surprising pick was Connor Crisp at #71.

      I don't see what sets this year's apart compared to previous years except for maybe 2012 where the Habs had the 3rd pick in every round. Selecting from the the 25th spot in each round really changes the landscape in terms of getting who you want, and it may seem that the Habs are not getting 'proper' value in such a position.

      • SlovakHab says:

        Yeah, Connor Crisp pick was really out of reservation.
        He probably could have been drafted in 5th round, considering that he was unranked. I will be extremely surprised if this guy ever plays in the NHL.

    • H.Upmann says:

      Very nice post! I don’t follow prospects in junior at all, so I’ll have to go on your word and what I read here. Unlike last season where we drafted at #3 and picks would be a homerun (at least the first two), I feel that this year’s draft revealed two aspects:

      1)tradeable assets
      2)organizational politics

      edit: of course, after a few beers, I’m probably a better GM than PJ Stock and his soon to be partner Friedeman LOL

      PPS: Nashville’s D is going to be CRAZY with Jones and Diaby

    • SlovakHab says:

      Nah, I’m definitely happy we drafted Lehkonen.
      The guy has top-6 talent, that’s pretty clear.

    • Chris says:

      The thing that you’re not taking into account is development spots in the organization. Since 2010, the Habs have drafted (draft year weights and heights listed…most are bigger now):

      2010, 22nd overall – Jarred Tinordi, 6’5″, 205 pounds
      2010, 117th – Morgan Ellis, 6’1″, 197 pounds
      2011, 17th – Nathan Beaulieu, 6’3″, 191 pounds
      2011, 97th – Josiah Didier, 6’2″, 202 pounds
      2011, 113th – Magnus Nygren, 6’1″, 191 pounds
      2011, 138th – Darren Dietz, 6’1″, 193 pounds
      2012, 51st – Dalton Thrower, 6’0″, 195 pounds

      Of the guys listed above, only Didier appears to be a certain bust. Tinordi is probably going to be in the NHL as of next season. The rest have or are going to graduate to Hamilton and will need to spend 2-3 years there before we can get a good idea of what they bring to the table.

      On top of these guys, you’ve got Greg Pateryn (6’2″, 212 pounds) who was acquired from the Leafs in the Grabovski trade and 2009 79th overall draft pick Mac Bennett (6’0″, 170 pounds) who will be moving up to Hamilton over the next two seasons after refining his game and bulking up in the NCAA the past three years.

      Hamilton can develop at most 4 kids at a time: the kids need power play and/or penalty kill time to hone their skills, and they need significant minutes. They’ve also got to keep at least one, if not two, “veteran” AHL defencemen there to help mentor the kids.

      By my count above, Beaulieu, Ellis, Dietz and Pateryn will be in Hamilton next season.

      In 2014-15, it should look like Bennett, Dietz, Ellis (unless they give up on him), Thrower and Pateryn will be on the farm, unless Nygren comes over from Sweden to play the second year of the contract he just signed.

      Diaby’s late birthday means that he is AHL eligible next season. At his size and weight, he needs to get playing against men to have any hope of ultimately making the NHL. Montreal simply doesn’t have the development space for him. I was hoping the Habs would not pick any defencemen in this draft (unless they were NCAA or Europeans) as they need to let some of the logjam in Hamilton clear out for a year after using a lot of their higher picks on defencemen.

      Lekhonen, to be frank, was not only the much safer pick but also the smarter pick this season. Diaby brings size and not much more. At almost 19 years old, he should have been much more dominant in the Q than he was.

      The Habs desperately need offensive talent depth. Leblanc and Bournival both project as third or fourth liners. Lehkonen is the type of boom or bust pick you don’t mind making at #55. Diaby will be a longshot to make the NHL, and his ceiling is third pairing defenceman at best. Lehkonen could be a top-3 forward.

      Andrighetto has two things going for him: character out the wazoo, and he can help Hamilton next year. I truly believe that he was drafted as a 20 year old for immediate help to give Bournival and Leblanc somebody to play with this season while we wait for Bozon, Hudon and Vail to make the jump next year.

    • habstrinifan says:

      I could read this post all day. It’s well written and looks like you know what ‘you talkin bout’. Chris’ rebuttal is also worthy reading cause it too is well detailed and he also looks like he knows what he’s ‘talkin bout’. I do admit, and Chris may take offense, that I think Chris is too optimistic about our prospect list all (but one) making it.
      Names like Atsvin(??) Palushaj(??) temper my enthusiasm somewhat.

      So I’m going with you, despite the fact that you threw my boy Connor Crisp under the bus and didnt even mention William Carrier, a sure NHLer by the way Mr Jedimyrmidon.

      • Chris says:

        Trini: I’m not implying that all the guys above will make it. I’m arguing that there is no development spots available in Hamilton over the next two years because of a logjam.

        The quickest way to ensure guys don’t make it is to have them playing third pairing minutes or playing in the ECHL. Very few players (and here we should praise Desharnais) can make the jump after toiling in the ECHL, where careers usually go to die.

        The Habs had a similar thing back in the early 2000’s. We ended up bleeding eventual NHL players like Francis Bouillon, Stephane Robidas, Ron Hainsey, Francois Beauregard, losing them in the expansion draft (Hainsey) or through waivers (Bouillon, Robidas, Beauregard) because the team simply didn’t had too many guys and still didn’t know what each could bring to the table. I’d rather see the current crop get played, evaluated and then either promoted or dealt. I’m tired of seeing 2nd and 3rd round picks disappear for nothing, as we saw with Yannick Weber.

        The Habs can go back to drafting defencemen or forwards for the next couple of drafts with the first four rounds worth of picks. By the time those guys get to Hamilton, we will know one way or the other what we’ve got and can start moving guys out (as was done with Brendon Nash, Joe Stejskal, Yannick Weber and Mathieu Carle over the past couple of seasons).

        As for Carrier, there is no such thing as a sure NHLer. He may, or may not make it. He’s got a lot of tools, but I’ve seen a hundred guys go through the OHL in recent years that had all the tools and never amounted to much (if anything) as NHL’ers.

        Crisp is such a long shot that I would frankly be shocked to see him in any other role than a designated goon.

  54. JayK-47 says:

    I made fun of Briere’s signing a bit here and there. Not too upset with it or with Parros coming onboard. I’d like to know if Parros can make a defensive zone start and get the puck out of the zone though.

    I am, however, only joyed with the draft but not, OVERjoyed. Glad we got Fucale, better the best 2013 draft goalie in our system than anyone else’s. But I will be keeping my eyes on Zykov’s career forever now.

    FOR. EVER.

    But overall, I’m pretty happy with the team and direction. Any of you guys work in engineering or maintenance? Anyone work in project management? Ever show up a new squadron, factory, plant, facility and fix everything overnight? Where do you even start? It’s a big job to turn a ship around and there’s a thousand little details to manage, critical paths to miss, people to deal with and you’re always fighting the budget, the client.

    MB’s doing a damn good job and everyone should appreciate that.

  55. Bradzerker says:

    There are certainly a lot of experts here who know what it takes to win at the NHL level. In the limited number of posts I have read there hasn’t been one person who has mentioned the date. It’s July 6th people. There is no guarantee the players on the roster today will be on the roster in October. Unless you work in the front office you have no idea what MB might/could be trying to do. Instead of moaning and griping about what we don’t have let’s look at what we do have and how those assets can be used to get better. Afterall, that’s what real GM’s do.

  56. HabFanSince72 says:

    Iginla to Bruins. Pathetic. Like dating your stalker.

  57. SnowManHabs85 says:

    How bout Penner? Still available, we need a guy to stand in front of the net, could still be a good 3rd line guy. Sign him 1 year and see where it goes…

  58. jedimyrmidon says:

    Another thing that many tend to do is chain multiple roster moves/trades/acquisitions together. The one-summer-plan-to-glory!

    Yeaaah… chaining moves together is probably impossible in most cases. Hard enough to get one move down.

  59. Steven says:

    Three thoughts:

    1) Brunner is still a UFA and no one’s nabbed him yet. He’s not overly big at 5’11”, but I don’t remember him being a particularly soft player in what I saw, along with being rather skilled. MB should contact him ASAP.

    2) Penner’s also still available. His 2-12-14 totals are kind of sad, but those were on a really good team. I imagine that lowers his value significantly. If he’s coming in on the cheap, MB should do it. He could become productive again with more ice time, along with being one of the biggest forwards on the Habs immediately. With his size, plant him in front of the net on a line with Pleks/Briere and Bourque and he’ll put in 30 garbage goals easily.

    3) Roman Cervenka’s a UFA. I remember hearing a decent deal of bustle about this guy when he ended up with the Flames. Shocking they’re done with him after 1 season.

    • jedimyrmidon says:

      Brunner is a RW. It’s crazy how many of those the Habs have.

      Penner is a much maligned forward for his lack of speed and work ethic (i.e. I think he’s pegged as lazy).

      Cervenka is back to the KHL.

      • Steven says:

        Didn’t realize the RW thing. Wonder if he could convert to LW cuz he’d probably make the team a little better.

        Heard the lazy thing about Penner, but you never know. If I’m in the driver’s seat, I probably don’t sign him unless I can get him for really cheap(like, less than 2M cheap but even that’s sort of high). So, unlikely, but I’d kick the tires at least.

        Seems that way. I’m sure a team like Minnesota would give him a shot though. Maybe a bad example, but I remember them having relatively poor center depth. Either way, some team must have bad C depth and maybe they’d take a shot on him, but KHL bound he certainly seems.

  60. jedimyrmidon says:

    So many contradictions in the opinions of folks here. Enough to drive me up the wall.

    Briere: Too small, old and small! Fire MB! We need toughness and size! We need a guy who can fight!
    Parros: Too old! What?! He can’t play hockey like a Top 6 guy?! Fire MB! We want some goals, grit and talent!

    OR

    Last year: BG and PG sunk the team with their UFA acquisitions and trading draft picks for big contracts for long term all in the name of immediate improvement, i.e., Gionta, Gomez, Cammelleri, Spacek, Hamrlik, Kaberle, etc.! FIRE THEM!!! We should tank! Don’t trade our 2nd rounders! Build through the draft.

    This year: MB isn’t making big name UFA acquisitions here and now! How dare he! Marc The Mouth, he is! Building through the draft? Character? He traded Kristo?! Ha! We, the fans, want big acquisitions NOW! Fire MB!

    • Steven says:

      Some just can’t be pleased. Only way MB or any future Habs GM is going to get a break is if they bring the Cup home. Even then, fans will be back on them after a month or so.

      • jedimyrmidon says:

        Pretty much.

        A Cup win would appease people for maybe a week. Then the nitpicking will begin again.

        • Steven says:

          Just up until the draft. Then it would be open season again.

          “They drafted that 6’4″ smurf?! Why didn’t they take that massive 6’5″ power forward?!”

          • jedimyrmidon says:

            The funny thing is, people were having aneurysms seeing guys like Andrighetto or Reway get picked, conveniently forgetting that McCarron and De La Rose were chosen with the Habs’ first two picks and also Connor Crisp. Lehkonen needs to put on some weight, but he’s 5’11” or so and yet people, again, forget and label him as 5’8″.

            Now sure, the McCarron and DLR picks weren’t as, I dunno, appealing in terms of apparent offensive skills as Zykov or other potential draft candidates, but I don’t have any problem with them. If they develop as the Habs hope they do, they will be very, very important to the team’s success so I’m fine with it.

            It boils down to his: they thought the Habs should go after their guys, and when the Habs didn’t, they were supremely upset.

          • Steven says:

            ^I don’t know much about Reway but I don’t understand the uproar about Andrighetto. He’s the real deal offensively(or so he seems). We need some talented offensive players anyway, and by the time he comes up, if he does, Pleks, Gio, Briere and probably DD will be gone, so the size thing is sort of moot.

            Zykov seemed interesting, but I heard he’s a poor skater, so I can see why Timmins may have had doubts. Despite everything, McCarron is supposedly a decent skater(I assume by comparison)

          • jedimyrmidon says:

            Yeah, I don’t see the issue with Andrighetto either. It’s not like 3rd round picks become Top 6 players in the NHL all that often. If he turns out to be great, then that’s, well, great! I’d rather the Habs draft guys they feel that will pan out than draft purely on organizational needs and guys that they think will go nowhere.

    • Seps says:

      People complain least when the temperature is exactly 23 degrees Celsius.

  61. ClutchNGrab says:

    Is there anything wrong with cam barker? I didn’t follow his carreer, but a 6 foot 3 defenceman selected third overall after ovechkin and malkin is not a big gamble considering he made 700k last year. That’s if there is not something wrong.

    • Steven says:

      I think he takes games off or something along that line. Two organizations have given up on him already despite the fact that he has the tools to be a solid 2-way D-man.

      If we got him it would be a reclamation project like Pouliot was, except without another enigmatic player going the other way. At league minimum I’d consider it, but that would take another roster spot up.

  62. The Dude says:

    Hal Gill… didn’t see that comming .

    • johnnylarue says:

      Stop messing with us, The Dude.

    • Clay says:

      1. comming

      A common misspelling of a word that seems so easy to spell that it hurts your brain when it’s actually misspelled in this fashion. Even if you sounded out the word “coming” phonetically, to try and spell it, you would not get anything resembling “comming.”

      Can be found most often on internet message boards and “Comments” sections.
      People’s obsessions with improper spelling are comming to an apocalyptic climax.
      (From Urban Dictionary)

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  63. habbernack says:

    Good signing, We needed a heavyweight.Brandon will be more effective.

  64. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …well, just learned about Parros …hmmm

    …I don’t know about Your eyes, but mine watching the above videos vs Orr and Scott, George t’wern’t winning either of those fights

    …but, on the bright side Parros was a tad more competitive in the avoidance of humiliation that Our current tigers Prust and White suffered last season from the super NHL heavyweights

    …the problem with Parros is Ya gotta be on the ice before Ya can break some heads …and, I am hoping We don’t see Him too much on the ice unless absolutely necessary

    …mostly Parros will make it harder for His Team-mates to squeeze some room on the Players’ bench with His big butt taking up inordinate room, and now and then will go out and do His duty playing ice polo with the heads of other teams bad-boys

    …His presence will be more psychological than physical, as most of Our key competitors will have more quantity and quality in the Cro-magnum man department

    …listen, Marc Bergevin is in the ‘process’ of changing this Team’s identity …the steps along the way will be perplexing and impatiently critiqued by the many morons among Montreal Canadiens’ Fans

    …let’s face it, Montreal is not a ‘preferred’ destination among many of the better players in the NHL …especially from those with a right to free-agency

    …maybe Montreal is ‘respected’ among most NHL players for the History of Our Past accomplishments, …but language, the taxes, the fish-bowl of merciless media and deranged Fans means Marc has to work harder and must get lucky to get what He really wants in a Montreal sweater

    …Cole was initially an exception …but even He quickly had His fill

    …winning and building Our asset base, asset by asset, in the draught will in the future allow Us to be able to entice home-boys and free-agents to Montreal in greater numbers than is possible today

    …I definitely do not like the Briere hire because I have pride, unlike some other Fans, yet I think Marc Bergevin is doing everything He can to turn this mother of a dinky Habs boat around

    …I see a lot of promise for the future, I see a lot of work still to do

    …in Parros, I think Marc got Him for nothing, …therefore Parros cost Us nothing …which is good for what He is worth

    …onward, I will believe in Bergevin, …I may criticize when appropriate, but over time My gut tells Me He WILL turn this rubber ducky into a swift battle cruiser …sooner rather than later

    • johnnylarue says:

      Good post, Surrey.

      I gotta say, I’ve had a mighty hate-on for Briere since he stiffed us in 2007–although in the long run he probably did us a favour by saving us from the ludicrous contract he was just bought out of.

      Anyway, he’s still got some bridges to rebuild before I’m onboard as a fan, but I’ll give him credit for agreeing to face the music and CHOOSING to sign in Montreal, especially with other teams like Jersey purportedly offering similar money and term. He obviously feels like he has something to prove, and that can only be a good thing.

      So I’ve managed to put my pride on hold and am now squarely in the “wait and see” camp with regards to Gatineau’s prodigal son.

      • Habitant in Surrey says:

        …I wish I was as ‘forgiving’

        …but, knowing Myself, I will likely soften up as the rubber hits the road

        …Team comes first :)

    • Habitoba says:

      Just wondering why pride defines liking the Briere signing or not. I have pride in the game and particularly the team. If Briere’s head wasn’t into playing for the Habs then but it is now, how does that affect pride in the team or simply in general? People can always learn from whatever decisions they have made in life, it’s called maturing.

      Let it go, it’s a game and it’s not personal.

      edit: I normally enjoy your posts, this one prompted a reply, however, so I hope I don’t come off harsher than I actually intend

  65. commandant says:

    All aboard the Toni Lydman bandwagon!

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  66. Mavid says:

    Parros the porn star..I like it

  67. commandant says:

    I keep hearing about Jarome’s contract being great because of the bonus structure…

    Here’s the thing though, it may only be 1.8 in salary, but its still 6 in cap hit.

    If the Bruins want it to count as 1.8 and decide to keep spending with the bonus cushion, they could really be setting themselves up for a hug cap hit penalty in 2014-15, if Iginla does anything for them.

    The reason? They is an instance where Savard’s LTIR actually works against the Bruins because of the interaction between LTIR and bonuses and future penalties, basically Iginla is going to force them to treat him as a huge cap hit, because if they don’t, and gamble with the bonus cushion and LTIR, it could backfire spectacularly if Iginla plays well….. as in screwing them huge in 2014-15

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    • johnnylarue says:

      Do you know off the top of your head what the penalty is for breaking the cap in a situation like this?

      • commandant says:

        You take the cap hit the next season.

        If you decide to use the bonus cushion and he hits his bonuses…. you would take that penalty the next year.

        if you don’t use the bonus cushion, you wont be able to maximize Savard’s LTIR amount.

        So its a rock and a hard place…. count Iginla as 6 million and give up the ability to use Savards LTIR this season…. or use the LTIR and bonus cushion and risk having up to a 4 million penalty in 2014-15 if Iggy hits his bonuses.

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        • Clay says:

          Still, not such a terrible idea if the cap goes up next season (as it likely will), AND the move is of great benefit to your team overall (as this one likely is).

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          • commandant says:

            The cap going up is already gonna be eaten by Rask’s raise, Bergeron’s raise, and Seidenberg’s raise or replacement.

            I’ve only seen one team get totally screwed cap wise, and that was 2010 Chicago… and the reason that happened was playing with LTIR and Toews/Kane’s bonus cushions… when Toews/Kane cashed in with a cup hitting their bonuses.. the Ladds, Byfuglien, Versteeg, etc… all had to go.

            The difference between that and this, is it doesn’t look like Boston needs to win a cup to trigger enough of Iggy’s bonuses to really create the huge penalty.

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          • Clay says:

            You forgot to address the ‘and’ clause – great benefit to the team. If the Bruins win the cup, any cap penalty will be a small price to pay. I’m not saying that Iggy will put them over the top, but he might. Time will tell.

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          • SnowManHabs85 says:

            Well it sounds like it’s good for Habs because it’s the BRUINS cap trouble ;)

          • johnnylarue says:

            Thanks for the info, commandant!

            Indeed, the bulk of Iggy’s bonuses (3.7 mil) are for “number of games played”, with only $500K allotted to points/goals.

            It’s certainly a ballsy move, but then I guess you can’t knock Chiarelli’s track record so far…

          • commandant says:

            Clay, of course if they win a cup the penalty is a small price.

            The problem here is that they can be hit with the huge penalty on games played alone, and do not need to win the cup. Thats a killer if you get hit with the penalty and don’t win it all.

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  68. SmartDog says:

    I’m not THAT pissed we didn’t get a lot more in the last few days. Most of the contracts are either idiotic, or they went to UFAs who had a specific destination in mind.

    Parros for 1-year was a good idea. It buys time to build up the team, get guys like Tinordi in the line-up, maybe make a trade or two.

    But it’s REALLY sad that:
    a) Toronto seems to have done well in UFA signings.
    b) Instead of a Jagr, or someone big and available on a 1-year deal we signed ANOTHER small forward (who just happens to be French-Canadian). Bergevin’s French-Canadian bias is looking like a problem. Sigh.
    c) We drafted a lot of little guys AGAIN this year. One giant doesn’t mean you’re drafting for size.

    Different GM, different sh#t (but still sh#t). I’m more discouraged about the team now than I was a week ago.

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    • johnnylarue says:

      Re: the draft, Crisp and De La Rose aren’t exactly ankle-biters either, SmartDog.

      And I’m really excited to see the “new look” Maple Leafs with their 30-points 6ft/200lb “mammoth” David Clarkson. I’m giving Leafs fans until, oh, say January before they realize what a boat anchor they just signed.

    • Habitoba says:

      How is this french-canadian bias and how is this looking like a problem again?

  69. johnnylarue says:

    So what’s up with Boston? Signing Eriksson, then Iggy, and losing Horton and Ference and that twerp Seguin… Are they messing with us? Are they deliberately trying to get MOAR likeable?

    Weird, wild stuff.

    On another note, I’m impressed at how little it took to pacify the red-faced MB haters on this site. Parros? Really?

    Briere sucks, Parros rocks??

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m happy to have “the thinking man’s enforcer” on board and all… just surprised at how easily quelled all that fiery emotion turned out to be.

    In any case, by the looks of some of the contracts that were given out today, I think we can agree on one thing: If Bergevin is an idiot, there are 10-15 other GMs out there who make him look awfully smart by comparison.

    • Just A Guy says:

      I had to leave when they were announcing the trade, only getting back now. Were people that impressed by this?

      If Moen was half the player he was last year we wouldn’t need to have done this. I’m not pissed at MB for signing him because it really looked like he was contributing before. So this trade is a “meh” for me as I’m really curious if Moen will bounce back, where Prust fits on this roster if it stays as is and where White will land on the depth chart.

      • johnnylarue says:

        Yeah, the first thing I thought when I read about the Parros trade was that Travis “E-Z Millions” Moen’s job just got that much easier…

        And yes, I definitely noted that it managed to shut up “Haborama”, who by himself probably accounted for about 230 gratuitous MB-bashing posts over the last 48 hours. I mean, in a way, getting Parros was worth it JUST for that! ;)

        • Just A Guy says:

          Well while this is no grey cloud, that certainly seems like a silver lining :)

          I just hope we don’t see how great it is that we signed Gorges Laracq… I mean Parros and that he will instantly make the team bigger and braver. How’s Parros’ back doing by the way? ;)

          • johnnylarue says:

            Ha! Indeed. I should think MB’s new scouting team had George 2.0 thoroughly examined by a chiropractor before approving the trade.

    • Clay says:

      Boston still has Lucic, lest anyone make the mistake of thinking them likeable ;)

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  70. SmartDog says:

    Hey, Gill is re-signing!

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  71. FuzE_gus says:

    He’s our modern day Pierre Bouchard!

    With Regards from FuzE_gus

  72. punkster says:

    Theme of the week here:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoXxdObGKuI

    ***SUBBANGIN’ NOW BABY!!!***

  73. BELIEVE IT OR NOT says:

    If the other 29 teams don’t keep getting better. We should win a cup in about 10-years. I think Edmonton with a few more good young players will be the next Rebuilding team to win a cup.

  74. Mattyleg says:

    Bergevin’s words:
    “It’s really hard to get size,” he continued. “When teams have players with skill who have size, they just don’t give them away. If we had one, I’m sure I wouldn’t be shopping him around. If you think you can go in the market and get one, you’re probably going to trade half of your team and I’m not willing to do that. We have to be patient and draft well and bring these guys along.”

    This guy, I like.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      I agree with MB but he should have drafted more big guys…

      “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

      • Mattyleg says:

        Gotta make sure the balance is right.
        Can’t draft all big guys one year, then all skill guys the next.
        Gotta go for this.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

          Balance? How many D-men did they draft? Zero. I am assuming they did this because they had enough already as there must have been some good ones available. All I am saying is that they had enough small-ish scoring prospects that they should have loaded up more on power forwards this year. I think there was only one at Hamilton (Qualier). MB can’t come out and say teams don’t give away their size (which is true) and then continue to draft smaller players.

          “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            I know, right.

            http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.ca/2013/07/a-critique-of-canadiens-2013-draft.html

            http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.ca/2013/06/liveblog-2013-nhl-draft.html

            If our pancake batter is too thin, we add a cup of flour. We don’t add half a cup of flour, but also half a cup of water ‘to maintain balance’. That gets us back to where we started. To get balance, to get the right mix, the recipe called for more flour.

            We didn’t do that last Sunday.

          • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

            Agree. Drafting McCarron was like the Chargers drafting Fluker. Not the BPA but no choice due to a desperate need.

            “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            Aaaargh…. Don’t get me started on the D.J. Fluker pick.

            We have the #11 pick in the draft, and spend it on the 4th best tackle in the draft, and 6th best offensive lineman? And a right tackle at that, when we already had a guy there who can muddle us through this year in Jeromey Clary? And when the best CB, LB, DT, and Safety was still on the board?

            The fact that he’s struggling at camp and we’re already thinking he’ll end up at guard shows how misguided that pick was. We should have taken a cornerback, and then come back in Round 2 or 3 and take a Tackle there.

          • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

            Oh God don’t get me started on Jeromey Clary…

            “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          Matty, to re-establish the balance, that’s exactly what we should have done this year is draft all big guys. Now we would have had balance in our prospect mix. Going forward, after that, I would have agreed that you need to pick a whole array of player types. This year should have been a hard pull on the wheel to rectify the current imbalance.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Yup. Trevor Timmins’ “homerun swing” should have been on a Dustin Byfuglien prototype, instead of being wasted on Martin Reway.

    • BELIEVE IT OR NOT says:

      He’s using Reverse psychology to keep the fans happy. Smart Man.

    • stevieray says:

      there where plenty of ” Big ” guiy UFA’s signed . MB says the price was to high .. My question to him would be ..who are the untouchables …?? I figure Price, Subban and Prust ..so either MB thinks we have more untouchables ..or .. the rest of the teams dealing figure we don’t have a lot to offer ???…I’m going with the latter ,,,, gonna be a long year ..again !

      • Mattyleg says:

        I think you didn’t read the quote properly.
        Yes, there were big guys available, but for too much.
        The issue of ‘untouchables’ doesn’t come into it.
        You don’t trade four guys from your team for a third-liner.
        Who will play the other 3 positions? Undeveloped kids?

        please…

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • SmartDog says:

      Yeah, like that Ryan McDonagh guy down in New York. Who’d be stupid enough to trade him?

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