Canada’s team?

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The Vancouver Canucks played the best 20 minutes any team has played in the postseason to go two up in their Western Conference final.

With a one-goal lead in the third period, the Canucks scored four times on 11 shots and held the puck for what seemed like eternity. It was an awesome display of dominance.

Kevin Bieksa (a pending UFA, Pierre) had the Gordie Howe Hat Trick – and his winning goal was set up by a great play by Christopher Higgins.

And no matter what Don Cherry may say, Ben Eager is the biggest idiot in the playoffs.

Cam Cole on Kevin Bieksa

The Eager sanctions

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Yvon Pedneault on Pierre Boivin

209 Comments

  1. Muckbringer says:

    anyone know how much tickets will be torrow in hamilton? im thinking of surprising my dad

  2. Muckbringer says:

    to say that a team is canada’s team when they reach the conferance final was debunked last year. we are canada’s team because we incorperate the best of what canada is. a little bit of a, pinch of b, and a dash of c.
    im as anglo as they come, but as far as hockey goes, the french have done more than their share. i say canada’s team should have the most fans worldwide.
    thats us.
    heres a good read;

    http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/2009/8/1/972138/debunking-the-canadiens-french
    Bleu, blanc et rouge; pour toujours

    go habs go forever!!!

  3. b_whalen13 says:

    According to the fourth period, the Habs are already in contract discussions with the wiz.
    http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/mtl110519.html

  4. Jdub1985 says:

    I’ve said it 10 times – I’ll say it another 10 times

    one word for the off season: BIESKA

    Besides PK – the entire D squad could be sold for this man!

  5. HabFarmer says:

    Hey you know what, the Thrashers is a great name, and the name of the best AAA Midget team in Canada. I could live with that. I hope you have a great family reunion. Ours is at the farm. Drinks will be had.

  6. MTLForever says:

    last night i went to the dogs game
    it was unreal
    goals, fight, tension
    the crowd was really into it

    crowd was more into it then the game 7 i went to last series
    the dogs are alive.

  7. HardHabits says:

    I have to confess I cheered when Vancouver scored last night. I’d love to see Vancouver win the Cup.

    My golden rule is this. I either cheer for the remaining Canadian based team or the team with the most Canadian players on it.

    A Tampa Bay – Vancouver SC Final would leave me conflicted a bit but in the end my support would fall behind the city north of the American border.

    *RM is a closet Bruins fan*

    • CHsam says:

      Here’s where I’m at:

      Want Tampa to crush Boston.

      Want Vancouver to win cup.

      I feel sorry for Leafs fans if Van wins… they’re never going to hear the end of it LOL!!!!

  8. AK_PK_Usay says:

    Vancouver is the last canadian team left in the playoff, as such it is Canada’s team.
    Bitter people can’t appreciate, they can only be jealous.
    Vancouver is an awesome city, as much as Canada is an awesome country.

    when all think alike, no one is thinking very much

  9. Sean Bonjovi says:

    I could never cheer for any team endorsed by HNIC.

    * Ville Leino would make Sergei Samsonov look like Alex Kovalev *

    • OneTimer says:

      Exactly right. First Toronto and the Bruins, now we can add Vancouver to the list. Oh, and this little bit of McMartin smugness will look very stupid should the Canucks fail to win the cup.

  10. RetroMikey says:

    No friigin way Vancouver is Canada’s team I am rooting fo,no friggin way!
    I’m going for the team closest to my city near Hamilton and that’s the Bruins which everyone should root for if they live in Eastern Canada and root for an original 6 team!
    Bruins all the way baby!

    “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

  11. Canada’s Team? Never.
    I’m cheering for anyone But Boston and Vancouver. Actually I hate TB, and SJ can go pound Salt so….

    Go Habs Go

    How many more weeks until training camp?

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    • LA Loyalist says:

      Just curious. As a Manitoberer, what would YOU call the Winnipeg Jets?

      They have lots of opinions in Toronto (best one I heard was the “Winnipeg Pooh” (after Winnie, The). But maybe the locals should get to pick.

      :)

      • Kooch7800 says:

        Call the team “last resorts” might as well tell it like it is. The NHL is doing anything they can including losing 35 million in phoenix to keep a team out of Winnepeg.

        • HabFarmer says:

          You know what, that’s just so funny! I’ll have to tell my friends that one – real knee slapper.

          If we need to be “Manitoba”, I’m good with the Falcons. If we’re going “Winnipeg”, I’ll take Jets. Either way is good by me.

          “No, I see. The monkey’s out of the bottle now!”

          • Kooch7800 says:

            I hope the peg gets a team. They had a loyal fan base. I just think the name last resorts would be a nice shot back at the league and even players like Shane Doan who would refuse to go. If the players complain they should get paid for the market they are in. Why should someone playing in Phoenix with no pressure to win get paid the same as someone that is under the microscope in other citys. If the team was breaking even or was even close it it I would be ok with it but when you have dumping cash on a losing cost move the team. Can’t have your cake and eat it too

            I have friends in Arizona and they are not happy their tax dollars are just being wasted on the Yotes. I would be too. I think the tax payers are paying like 25 million a season of 35 million debt. That is 25 million that could be used elsewhere in the city.

        • HabFarmer says:

          Ok, I get your meaning. Generally I don’t really care what people think of the city I live in. Winnipeg is like that kid in your class who everybody writes off, but then surprises you a bit when you get to know him, or when suddenly he goes all ape sh!t and kicks the snot out of the class bully. Like that kid. Yeah.

          Phoenix deserves the Yotes and vice versa – they’re perfect for each other…… .

          “No, I see. The monkey’s out of the bottle now!”

          • HabinBurlington says:

            I would like to see it Jets again. HabFarmer I am with you, bud, winnipeg is a great place, looking forward to coming home this summer for the big Family Rebellion.

            My only concern about going back to Jets, it is a different franchise with different records etc…… Kovalchuk not Hawerchuk hold the single season records etc…

            I have said before, but given the farming in Manitoba call them the Manitoba Thrashers and stick a pimped out John Deere Combine on the front with a massive Thrasher on the front of it!

            Great Effort Boys, PG get to work this Summer!

          • issie74 says:

            Even if Bettman does let the Thrashers move and I doubt it,the NHL owns the JETS Logo and it can’t be used.The NHL might sell it back to Winnipeg for a lot of money.

  12. SeriousFan09 says:

    I still just don’t get the hype around Bieksa, first time he’s really doing something in the playoffs but this time around he’s doing it after VAN stacks their defence up. In previous years when he had to be ‘the guy’ he wasn’t much for them. In Montreal, who does he replace? Gorges, hahaha, leadership man and our best defensive defencemen. Markov? Not with Yemelin on the books and he’s still better on one leg than Bieksa on two. Gill? Our PK expert and another giant voice in the room? No. Besides, if we make room for his salary level (3.75) would we really sign him, or bring back the Wiz who we know fits with this team? Or neither because there’s this defencemen who’s already better than him called PK Subban we have to extend next season?

    Oh and the Red Wings are losing another assistant coach, Brad McCrimmon will be leaving the team to angle for a HC position. This is after Todd McLellan left in 08-09 to take over the SJS bench. I guess Ken Holland should be fired for letting these guys walk.

    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
    SF09 on Twitter

    • Mark C says:

      I don’t get it either. Ehrhoff would be the best fit for Montreal if they got one of Van’s D’s. Left hand shot for the PP, 5 or more PP goals in 4 out of 5 years.

    • pat s says:

      you are comparing a guy that has not 1 game in the NHL to a guy that if he does becomes a UFA, he will be proboably one of the high profile UFA

      I’ll take Bieska before Georges(I like goerges) anyday of the week

      Bieska would put yemlin right through the boards–for you, he is already a star when he has not played 1 game in the NHL–holy man, I heard it all

      if you don’t like how he plays that is fine but please with your comparisons

      • SeriousFan09 says:

        Pat, there’s this thing called the salary cap. Yemelin is costing MTL less than a million dollars this year and that’s why we have him, we’re almost certainyly bringing Markov back to ease his transition and b/c when healthy he is an elite talent. Gorges is a shutdown defencemen and you can’t win without them, he’s solid for the locker room and this team needs leaders.

        Highest profile UFA is also subjective compared to the year you’re a UFA, being the top of the heap of middling UFAs isn’t that impressive.

        I don’t Yemelin is a star, but he was one of the best defencemen in the KHL over the last two years and at his cost, it’s silly not to give him a shot and we have no proof of whether Yemelin would drive Bieksa right through the boards or vice versa since he hasn’t played here.

        I don’t find his overall play that impressive and I don’t see why we’d move heaven and earth to take on a 3-4 defencemen when we could drop an offer on the Wiz, plus we have this need to make sure we have room in 12-13 to keep Subban and Price.

        – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
        SF09 on Twitter

        • bwoar says:

          I think Wiz and Bieksa are likely to get pretty similar contracts, and there’s no question I’d take Bieksa first of those two. Neither will get an offer from the Habs. The emergence of Subban does make me pause for a second to consider Bieksa over Markov for toughness reasons, but overall that’s a step down so no dice there.

          I’m interested to see how a physically small D with lots of speed and puck skills makes out in a playoff series – we have yet to see a healthy brigade back there to test this philosophy.

      • LA Loyalist says:

        Pat we HAVE to roll the dice on guys like Yemelin (who hopefully will not be Lemon-ilin) partly due to cap but also because we don’t have high draft pix and we don’t have the depth to trade for anyone of substance and our kids are still too young. We have to buy a year or two until JM and Gomer are gone.

        Remember – Markov, Halak, Streit – all under the radar guys, and that’s who we have to find. No choice unless we want to sit here in the middle forever.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          I still would love to have Bieksa on my team thought. Very gritty, not a defensive liability. However, with this playoff success he has just written himself a 5mill. per year contract with someone (I hear Brian Burke calling, Jeff Finger is off the books soon)

          Great Effort Boys, PG get to work this Summer!

    • Kooch7800 says:

      I like Bieksa, he only had really an off year last year. He is physical and can add offense when needed. He is a great top 4 on any team in my opinion.

      Bieksa will not be leaving Van City. They will resign him. Montreal will have no shot at singing him and really now we don’t need him unless we get rid of some players in a trade.

      • pat s says:

        First, I would like thank all for not getting personal eventhough some of you don’t agree with what I say about Bieska. I understand emotions come into play when discussing the habs. At the end of the day, we all want the samething “The Stanley Cup”

        Yes, emelin is a minor gamble, I hope it does workout but I know he is not the answer to our prayers. Just remember one thing, playing tough in the KHL is very different than playing tough in the NHL–it is not even in the same ball park.

        For the past 5 -7 years, we counted to much on this speed, finisse, play nice hockey, and it didn’t work–I have no more tolerance for that argument. We need to play angry, we need to play with hatred, by that i don’t mean goon hockey but good old fasioned tough hockey. Bieska can be the start of bringing in that element. If we want a player like that it can happen. No excuses or stories, just make it happen. Sure, we need our finisse, talented players, but we need mean,angry players to allow them to work their majic. It the 3rd and 4th lines that bring a team to the promise land. So Bieska is just the start.

        Somehow, we need to change the chemistry of this team. I’m not going to pretend that I have all the answers,or I know all the players we need, but I do know this, we focus too much on a European model and that European model does not work in the NHL. The KHL is no comparrison to the NHL. To be tough in the KHL is probably not that easy but I gurantee you, to play tough in the NHL on a game by game basis is on another level.

        For me that data speaks for itself. We lost to boston/flyers 4 years in a row, I don;t care about overtimes, 1 game wins, 7 games blah blah blah–we still lost. We are just not mean enough(again not goon hockey) to play against these teams. We would get hammered if we played vancouver or san jose right now.

        Just my take.

    • CHsam says:

      Word. Agree with SF09.

      The way I see it, down the road as of now:

      Subban, Emelin, Markov, Tinordi, Diaz/Weber, Gorges, (fill spot)

      That’s alright in my books.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Bieksa is only 28 and he’s at his peak. Was always a leader and a very good player at both ends. He slowed down in the past three years because of bad injuries.

      His breakout season was 2008 and since then he’s been a 0.5 ppg player in regular season and playoffs.

      I love Josh Gorges but Bieksa is in an entire different league. In fact even when he was going through a rough patch in October I was hoping we would sign him.

      • SeriousFan09 says:

        So sign a guy who’s potentially injury-prone? That’s a fantastic idea. Isn’t that why people said we needed to lose Markov? I’ve seen the guy in the playoffs, I’ve never seen this great defensive end ability he supposedly has.

        It’s not that just that we can’t keep Gorges either if we take Bieksa, it’s we have to lose Gorges and somebody else, he won’t sign for under 4 million considering he’s at 3.75 going into free agency and Gorges is maybe costing 2.5-3 mil. He’s not the best offensive defencemen there, or the best defensively. He’s needed VAN to stack their D since last year to start looking good again by taking away the need for him to ‘the guy’ b/c either he’s not capable of playing to that level or he can’t elevate himself. If we’re taking a guy on in that salary range, take Wiz, we know he fits on the team and will give it all he has.

        – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
        SF09 on Twitter

        • HabFanSince72 says:

          I wasn’t referring to signing him. You said you didn’t get the hype and I’m responding to that.

          He’s a very good player who came into his own about three years ago, was outstanding in the playoffs two years ago, and whose career was interrupted by injury. He is now back to his pre-injury level.

          Also why do you say he is injury prone? He had an injury.

          • SeriousFan09 says:

            Well he was injured for 3 straight seasons and if people can hang that on Markov over 2 seasons than logically that makes Bieksa even more injury-prone. As I’ve said before, I don’t see the two-way game that makes him such a valuable commodity, two years ago his team got hammered by CHI after a walkover of the St Louis Blues, same as last year and this year they were a bounce away from the ultimate humiliation.

            He is a 3-4 defencemen who isn’t that solid in his own end. If it comes down to it, I don’t see why he’d get more hype over Wisniewski, who we at least know fits with the team.

            – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
            SF09 on Twitter

  13. Graceland says:

    Why can’t the broadcasters for the CBC pronounce simple 500 year old Canadian names. Last night, this guy Marek, could not pronounce Claude, nor Julien, but has no problem with Khabiboulyn or Lucic. If an american did this with San Joseé (pronouce hosé) he would get his pink slip by 9:00 am the next morning. H

  14. homerbowen says:

    I agree. Send Gomez away. With his insane contract he will be a cancer on this team until it expires. What a great example to our younger players watching him skate around doing diddly dick and collecting $8M. Sending him down after 2 years of doing nothing makes sense and sets the bar. Go for it.

  15. JD_ says:

    “Observe due measure, for right timing is in all things the most important factor.” – Hesiod

    Just read an obit piece on American physicist Maurice Goldhaber who passed away last week. He was almost as young as the Habs are old. Mau distinguished himself through his extensive study of neutrinos, ubiquitous subatomic particles with almost zero mass.

    In other news, Ben Eager’s brain.

    Seems to me Marleau willingly got into it with Bieksa and, in fact, admitted as much to reporters after the game, “I haven’t fought too many times, but I know when to drop my gloves. It was my decision to.” And then Marly proceeded to take his face and rock Bieky’s fist with it a number of times.

    This is why Eager’s subsequent run at D. Sedin doesn’t quite add up; it’s like avengin’ Marleau’s poor decision-makin’ skills.

    Whatever the case, I liked the way Dan didn’t make a big production of the whole thing and just kinda sproinged right back up. And he looked energized. So did his bro, who later gave Eager’s leg a little stick tap as they skated off, probably thankin’ the meathead for the dose of adrenaline.

    Then the ‘Nucks proceeded to absolutely, mercilessly demolish the Sharks.

    Admittedly, pullin’ for Van-C, if only because I’ve got family and friends out west who are rabid fans. Moreover, I don’t have any particular attachment to San-J and, frankly, don’t feel like seein’ a duplicitous whiner like Heatley win anythin’.

    Besides, it won’t change the fact those Sedin dudes are a hair unsettlin’. They give me the willies, followed by the heebie-jeebies, then a solid dose of the jim-jams. Someone earlier mentioned David Cronenberg’s Dead Ringers; that same film has crossed my mind many a time when I see those matchin’ beards.

    Who knows? Maybe they’re destined to be ringers.

  16. Jan_pronounced_Yan says:

    What do you guys think it would take to pry Andrew Ladd away from Atalnta/Winnipeg?

    This is purely speculation/fantasy, but if Ladd wouldn’t want to go to Winnipeg, maybe he could be available. What would you trade?

    Keep in mind, I think it would be best to not trade Ak46, as getting Ladd without giving up AK would allow us to play AK on the Eller line and give us more scoring depth.

    Can it be done? Speculate away.

    • HabFarmer says:

      I’ve said this before. I think owners who are actively trying to sell a team are unlikely to sell assets before they actually sell the team. The players are the assets – you won’t deal them and diminish the value of the team. Andrew Ladd is an asset. Now what you might get for him after the potential deal is done is speculative, because I think the new owners won’t be wheeling and dealing until they know what they’ve actually purchased.

      “No, I see. The monkey’s out of the bottle now!”

      • Jan_pronounced_Yan says:

        But, he is an RFA, and has already rejected a contract extension. If he doesn’t want to sign, knowing that there is an uncertain ownership situation, the GM’s hands could be tied, because he could very well be signed to an offer sheet on July 1. If that’s the case, why not trade him for some assets that you can control?

        I’m not saying it will happen, but I think it’s possible. If Ladd is available, the Habs need to get in on it. I thought they should have gotten him last summer too. He is just what we need. A winger with some size and grit who can score and has won 2 cups with two different teams. Perfect player for the Habs.

        • HabFarmer says:

          That’s right, he is an RFA-forgot about that. But I still think the Thrash will be in a holding pattern until the whole situation is worked out. If he gets an offers sheet then that might be a chance they take while they’re dealing with other issues – really big issues.

          Still, Ladd’s certainly not chopped liver – nice to consider it.

          “No, I see. The monkey’s out of the bottle now!”

      • issie74 says:

        I agree and in order for Bettman in get in to Atlanta and find another sucker…like he did in Arizona…they need all the assets they can get and when is Bettman going to stop using Winnipeg as bait.

        • HabFanSince72 says:

          I’m willing to bet that when Gary Bettman babysits his grandchildren, if they misbehave he threatens to send them to Winnipeg.

          “If you’re not in your jammys, teeth brushed, and under the covers in ten minutes I’m sending you to Winnipeg.”

          • issie74 says:

            Bettman keeps on saying we have a buyer for this team(whichever team he is trying to sell at the moment)Truenorth will buy them and move the to Winnipeg then lo and behold another sucker shows up to plunk down his millions and take a chance.

    • habs365 says:

      My opinion the best thing for the habs to do send Gomez to Hamilton. this would give them an opportunity to add some size to the top two lines. again just my opinion size made a difference for their recent playoff loss to Boston…..

      • Jan_pronounced_Yan says:

        How did size make a difference in the Boston loss exactly? I’m not saying that we don’t need to add size, but I don’t think it was a problem in the Boston series. We were one goal away in overtime from sending them to the golf course. If Halpern doesn’t get waived out of the circle, we might still be playing.

        • issie74 says:

          Boston scored 17 goals Habs scored 17 goals,you can’t get any closer than that.

        • habs365 says:

          Jan: if we had more size it probably would have been over in 5 not 7 and the Habs on the winning side

          • Jan_pronounced_Yan says:

            I somwhat agree. If Pacioretty, Markov and Gorges were there, we would of dispatched them quickly. Pacioretty would give us the power forward element we were lacking to score more and Markov and Gorges would have given us better overall defense.

            I’m just saying that even with our lack of size, that series could have been ours and almost was, so it wasn’t really the determining factor in our demise against Boston.

          • habs03 says:

            Maybe we if had Max, Markov and Gorges, it would be over in 4, size is not the problem. People just want to find excuses to complain.

        • LA Loyalist says:

          It’s easy to say size because it’s hard to say fur balls.

          We choked up a fur ball against ‘Ruins because we turtled in our own end when we had our skate on their throat 2-0 coming home!!!!

          We didn’t attack in their end, we waived the white f*cking flag, played “prevent” defence and the responsibility for THAT is with our genius general Jacques Martin who is so freaking smart he’s sitting at home while punk kid Guy Boucher is still coaching.

          Am I still bitter? Hell yeah.

          Wait till Boucher gets Tampa to the final, you’ll see some posts around here.

          • issie74 says:

            I feel you pain,I have not been able move on.

          • Mark C says:

            Guy the Great’s team blew two leads in the last game, might have won had his team not chocked on a three-goals-in-six minute fur ball. He’s letting an 19 year old rip his team apart with his speed, can’t Guy coach his D to defend against a 19 year old who hasn’t played in over a month?

      • kirkiswork says:

        It’s funny how the little Habs were one goal away from advancing yet the much bigger Flyers couldn’t even win one game.

        Guess size does matter ?

          • J_P says:

            So what phillys best defenseman was injured? Our two best defensemen were injured and we put up a much better fight against boston than philly did. Not to mention that we dont have the depth at forward that philly has.

          • HabsFan2 says:

            To which teams?

            There are those on here that say the Habs shouldn’t use injuries as an excuse, then turn around and use it for teams like St. Louis.

            So again I ask, which team gets to use that reason?
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            I have come home.” – Patrick Roy

          • HardHabits says:

            Zepper, you’re going to use an argument trotted out by E1? Shame on you!

        • habs365 says:

          Kirkiswork: How people forget the pumbling we took in a game during the regular season from boston and they say size doesn’t matter.
          I’m not saying it’s all about size, but 3 or 4 big boys on this team and Chara would not have done what he did to pacioretty and gotten away with it. that’s all I’m saying.

          The much bigger Flyers didn’t play as good as the Habs did against Boston. If The habs had phillys size I don’t think Boston would be still playing.

    • habs365 says:

      Ladd top 6 player

      • Jan_pronounced_Yan says:

        Really. That seems like a fairly ridiculous statement to make.

        Ladd has more grit than Higgins ever showed. Ladd has been captain on an NHL team. Higgins has not. Ladd has won 2 cups already with two different teams. Higgins has not.

        How is he no better than Higgins exactly?

        • habs365 says:

          in scoring, I thought that’s what we were looking for more offence…Ladd had a good year this year, never a 20 goal scorer before, guess he’s better than our bottom 6

          • Jan_pronounced_Yan says:

            Ladd and Higgins have had different career paths. In Carolina, Ladd was never a top-6 player. In Chicago, he was not a top-6 player, but on both team he was a contributor. He won cups on both teams and got good experience. When he was traded to Atlanta, Ladd was given much more responsibility (and the captaincy) and had his best scoring year.

            Higgins was put on the top 6 and did reasonably well early, but couldn’t keep it up. He has since bounced around and has had his work ethic questioned at pretty much every stop. He was down to his last chance in Vancouver, and luckily for him he is on a stacked team where he doesn’t have to produce much. Good for him.

            Ladd seems to be rounding into the player that he was projected as (former 4th overall pick), whereas Higgins is finally in the role he should have been in all along, which is 3rd-line energy player.

      • Jan_pronounced_Yan says:

        Nice edit.

        Ladd could play on the first line with Pleks and Cammy or the 3rd line with Eller and AK. Point is, he would add some more scoring depth and give us some size, grit and leadership too. Great player to pick up.

      • Jan_pronounced_Yan says:

        Haha…good one. Damn edit function.

      • issie74 says:

        Anyone remember last years playoffs Chi vs Van.Ladd had a running battle with Kesler.Kesler called Ladd a coward in the press…very next game,Ladd beat Kesler up…again
        Andrew Ladd has been one tough hombre since his days in junior.add that to 20 goals a year,gold.

    • bwoar says:

      Andrew Ladd is from Maple Ridge, BC so I doubt he has a problem with playing in Winnipeg. It’s funny that people in Montreal would bring up that angle.

  17. EricInStL says:

    Please Canada take the Canucks as your team. I really cannot stand them. Not because they are a very well assembled team. Nope, it`s because the CBC who NEVER cheers for the Canadiens, cannot control their juices when it`s Toronto or for now the Canucks. And to add insult to injury, I have to listen to Jim “west is the best” Hughson. Aurghhhhhhh

  18. Kooch7800 says:

    I saw on the fourth period rumours that the habs are trying to sign wiz. Not sure how that rumour could be true. With the addition on Yemelin we dont’ have the cap space unless we are considering dumping Gomez in the minors/trade

    • Bryan says:

      Keep in mind that Hamrlik’s $5.5 million salary is also coming off the books. Assuming that we can get Wiz for around $4.5 million, then Emelin + Wiz = Hamrlik’s cap hit. Plus the cap is going up a couple of million.

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      • HardHabits says:

        I think PG has come to realize that the extra scoring is going to come from the defence rather than the forwards.

      • Tony McLean says:

        No way the Wiz would sign for under 5.

        Pete Mahovlich record season: 1974-75 80 GM 35 G 82 A 117 P 64 PIM

        • shiram says:

          No way does he deserve the kind of money Markov was getting on his last contract either.

          • Jan_pronounced_Yan says:

            Wiz will go to the open market (unless we trade his rights and he signs an extravagant deal with the team we trade him to) and some team will throw big money at him.

            He and Ehrhoff are the two best UFA d-men out there. Wiz finished 5th in D-men scoring last year. He has a gritty side that teams will like. He played hurt in the playoffs, which shows his heart. He will get paid. I would love to keep him, but not at the price he will command.

          • shiram says:

            For sure he has great value, and he will get rewarded for his work.
            Some think that with Hamrlik’s contract up we could just offer him that money, and I guess that would work.
            I just don’t feel he warrants a long term deal at above 5 millions.
            For comparison, Kaberle got 5 year deal at 4.25million per, after he had a season of 67 points. Now market has changed and cap increased for sure, but I just don’t feel he is worth a deal of say around 23 millions for 4 years.

            His defencive play, his history of suspension and injury comes into play as well.

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        Subban and Price will be up for contracts this time next year, that’s partly why they can’t afford the Wiz….

    • HalifaxHabs says:

      we’ve all been assuming they will keep Gill… but if they find a way to squeeze Wiz under the cap, I’d say that’s probably the end of Gill. We would have 8 d-man under contract(assuming Markov and Gorges get signed).

      but you never know what PG is brewing… is it July 1st yet?

  19. Bugs says:

    Just read the Boivin article and not that I’m trying to undermine his accomplishments in any way but would it be fair to say that the lock-out helped in a great deal rebuild the fanaticism in the club that had been waning?
    A lot of it centred around the Artiste as well if I recall, who wiped out Boston after the slash to the hand beforehand, who signed with the club during thereby giving Saku the “winger” we’d been promised for so long, and who attracted awed crowds everywhere he went in this province after.
    The lockout deprived us of kraft dinner for a year. Crap food or not, we were starvin. But they came back with boeuf bourgignon and that’s what we’ve been eatin since. Sure, it’s not the best dish in the world but it’s better than kraft dinner.
    Marketing helps fersure, but a better product helps even more. Coming back with a better product, alot of it focusing on the Kovy acquisition, after the lock-out, imo, is what put the gleam back in the team.

    Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

    • issie74 says:

      Good win last night by the Bulldogs!!!

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      The other criticism of Boivin is that he has brought US style circus antics to the temple of hockey.

      I’d eliminate the fitness trainers dancing during timeouts, shooting t-shirts into the crowd, the big horn sound after each goal, the piped in fake crowd noises, the white towels, all that crap that we found so lame when other teams did it.

    • LA Loyalist says:

      You are right on the button, Monsieur Bugs. Too bad it didn’t have a happier ending.

  20. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    I have to laugh at the people saying Higgins was a terrible trade. I mean rotflmao not just a chuckle. Let’s see, he SUCKED so bad here in Montreal for so long he was was traded to New York. He SUCKED so bad and for so long in New York, he was traded to Calgary. He SUCKED so bad in Calgary he was traded to Vancouver. He finally gets his game going a bit and there are some numbskulls claiming it was a bad trade by Montreal management???? Really have to laugh at some of the complete nonsense that gets posted here on a daily basis.

    • HardHabits says:

      Yes. But is he better than Gomez?

      • _Habsoloutly_ says:

        The Gomez trade was a terrible trade. But it had nothing to do with Higgins, Higgins was a crappy player nobody wanted who was a throw-in on the Gomez deal. The Gomez deal was a bad deal because we gave up McDonough for Gomez. Everytime we play the Rangers for the next 10 years we will be reminded how bad the Gomez trade was.

        • issie74 says:

          McDonaugh looked pretty good last year for the Rangers…he made mistakes…as rookies will…but don’t forget he was a prospect…just as Tinordi and Nash are they look good but time will tell.

          • Duracell3 says:

            He’s no longer a prospect after having played half the season in the NHL. He may fizzle out, but lets be honest, he won’t and would have been a top 4 d-man for us for many years; .

            NYR get Gaborik and McDonaugh, habs get Scott Gomez, what a GM.

            Also in response to below, Nash has already played 2 games in the NHL and had a good year with the dogs. possible 5/6, but certainly nothing you couldnt buy on the open market for near the league minimum.

          • HabFanSince72 says:

            Nash will never play in the NHL.

      • issie74 says:

        You are entitled to your opinion.

      • Shiloh says:

        The Gomez trade was as bad as a trade can be. We took an anchor that was drowning Sather – and we coughed up McDonagh and Higgins for the privilege of getting fleeced. A brutal, horrific deal – right up there with the sneering, alpha-male Mario Tremblay embarrassing Roy and setting into motion his departure.

      • habs365 says:

        Higgins the better scorer – Gomez The better playmaker
        take it for what it’s worth.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      Higgins had one bad season with the habs cause he was injured and missed over 24 games. I wouldn’t say he sucked. he had over 20 goals three seasons in a row with the second last season here he had 27. He hasn’t played well since he left Montreal until this year.

      Not sure what happened to him but he is a decent PP, PK and third line player who can play on the top two if needed.

      Regardless i can see why he was traded as he was declining in the role he had here but I wouldn’t say he sucked.

    • Malreg says:

      You missed a step… He was traded to New York, then New York Traded him to Calgary, then Florida signed him as a free agent, then Florida traded him to Vancouver.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      You forgot Florida in there but basically you are right. He is a player who has had a rebirth in the playoffs.

    • 44har48 says:

      Guys, Higgins just plain sucked…he had so many chances to score over 30 a year here and continued to shoot right into the goalies chest protector everytime. I love how he thought he was a top 6 forward and felt insulted when he left Montreal…lmao…I guess NY, Calgary, and Florida felt the same as I, or he would not be in Vancouver today. That deal was essentially MacDonough (who at the time had regressed in his development), and a russian defencemen that looks unimpressive with the Connecticut Whale, for Tom Pyatt and Gomez. We could debate all day here on wether Gomez was needed to obtain free agents that refused to play in Montreal for years. I do wish that we still had MacDonough like many other D men we have let go, but I have the luxury of reviewing this trade in hindsight. Gainy didn’t have the beneift when he pulled the trigger – not sticking up for him.

    • Tony McLean says:

      Monday morning QBs who just wanna beat their breast and say ‘I told ya so.’ Tiresome.

      Pete Mahovlich record season: 1974-75 80 GM 35 G 82 A 117 P 64 PIM

  21. habs365 says:

    Higgins is a 2nd or 3rd liner at best, we never gained anything regards to trading him however he is playing well in the playoffs and good luck to him. Laps means well and he gives his all, he’ll always be a 4th liner good luck to him also. at least they have a chance to win something that won’t be happening in montreal anytime soon. The Habs have a good team but you have to be better than good to win a cup.

  22. Bugs says:

    Now that the Nucks are headin off to Cali, I’ll watch their games.
    Cuz in Couver, with that half-azzed singer (yeah we KNOW the crowd is singing; can’t you still do your JOB?), the childishly stale announcer treating the fans like kindergarteners, the clueless crowd chanting looo after every save not realizing how stupid they look when it goes in on the rebound, even the green guys, they pay big money so that they can’t eat or drink all game, wear spandex, and clown around the box so they can be on TV every night…for what exactly? I mean…everything about Couver’s hockey-fêting rubs me the wrong way and…ugh, I can’t, I just can’t do it. I can’t be a part of a moron-fest, I just can’t do it.
    Sorry about that but there it is. Dump the singer, dump the announcer, change the goaler; we’ll talk again. Green guys can stay; I can be accommodating, but the rest is so lame, it’s gotta go.
    Look at San Jose, San JOSE, ferpetessakes: They play the music from “Jaws”.
    Boom.
    Simple. Efficient. Exponentially more clever than anything Couver’s come up with.

    Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

  23. sidhu says:

    This is a question for SeriousFan and anyone else who closely follows the Hamilton Bulldogs:

    Do you think Palushaj may earn a roster spot with the Habs out of training camp? Or is it more likely that he will start the season in Hamilton and be a call-up?

    Thanks

  24. Bash says:

    We should never have traded for Denis Savard!

    “If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.” (anon)

    • issie74 says:

      Or Patrick Roy!!!

      What does that have to do with now.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Watching Seguin play so well last game made me feel for one day what Bruins fans must have felt like for the decade of the 70’s. Pollack’s brilliant trade to get Lafleur. Now we watch as Boston perhaps pulled off a similar move in getting Seguin through the Toronto Golden Seals. The only piece missing was Boston trading someone to Edmonton in order that they then get the 1st choice.

        Great Effort Boys, PG get to work this Summer!

        • issie74 says:

          Brian Burke is a good friend of the Joseph family who own the Bruins.
          Just saying,

          • BsFanforLife says:

            ooooo…… I love a good conspiracy

          • issie74 says:

            Hey Bs…your back…what brought you out of the woodwork.

          • BsFanforLife says:

            Im in school fulltime and working fulltime so Im not around to weigh in as much as Id like to. Sorry guys.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            I am guessing the Bruins most recent win had nothing to do with the coincendental return of the B’s fan for life. I am sure the school/work schedule has nothing to do with wins for the Bruins either.

            Seguin did look great last game, speed to burn.

            Great Effort Boys, PG get to work this Summer!

  25. JF says:

    Higgins and Lapierre are both having a good playoffs for Vancouver, which naturally makes a lot of fans feel ready to trash the Habs for trading them. But it was clear during Higgins’ last year here that he no longer wanted to be here. On a couple of occasions he made disrespectful comments about the fans; and in the second half of the season, when the team had fallen apart, there were reports in the French media that he turned up at practice “dans un état épouvantable.” He has since been shunted around to three other teams before being traded to the Canucks. If this has made him rethink his career and decide to turn things around, well, good for him. But there’s no guarantee it would have happened here.

    As for Lapierre, my understanding is that he was dissatisfied with his role and ice-time and asked to be traded. And I think Gauthier wanted to clear a roster spot to bring up Desharnais. Lapierre was a valuable player for us in last year’s playoffs, but he didn’t do much in Anaheim. If he and Higgins have found their niche in Vancouver, at least they won’t be hurting us (much) next year.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Vancouver is also a very well balance talent laden team. Role players on really talented teams always shine even brighter. Other teams concentrate on shutting down the Sedin line or the Kesler line and suddenly the 3rd and 4th lines get alot more open ice to play on. It is a product of a really good team. Looking back at the great RedWing teams of the past decade and look at the 3/4th role line players that became stars/well known players as a result of being on a good team.

      A more recent example is Kris Versteeg. 3rd line winger on Chicago, becomes a big name, goes to Toronto with no depth and cannot play big line minutes.

      Great Effort Boys, PG get to work this Summer!

    • issie74 says:

      Sometimes it’s a good thing to get what you ask for,Alian Vigneault said it all.’Maybe they have figured it out(Lapierre and Higgins)this could be their last chance.

  26. Old Bald Bird says:

    That ROC article is ridiculous.

    — formerly notbigbird –

    • HalifaxHabs says:

      unbelievably arrogant article.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        Telling themselves their city is the most “livable” is how Vancouverites console themselves for the constant rain and relative lack of culture.

        Montreal is probably poorer and dirtier, with higher taxes, but it’s a much nicer place to live.

        Still Vancouver is pretty nice. Great Asian food. Great outdoor activities. Beautiful scenery. I can imagine moving there. Can’t imagine anything making me want to live in Calgary.

        • JD_ says:

          The threat of Winterpeg.

          • HabFarmer says:

            Right, there we are. The inevitable jab at Winnipeg. My morning’s complete now…… .

            “No, I see. The monkey’s out of the bottle now!”

          • HabFanSince72 says:

            Poor Winnipeg. Someone who used to live there tells me that summer is almost as bad as winter because of the bugs.

        • Trisomy 21 says:

          What deters you from Calgary?

        • coldness81 says:

          Have you been to vancouver or BC? i rank it above montreal to live. and about the rain, well hasn’t stopped raining here for a while.

          no lack of culture by the way. they just a lack of french people who think poutine and speaking french means they are a nation….

          • HabFanSince72 says:

            I dare say few people think poutine is what makes Quebec a nation.

            As far as language goes, it’s not an unreasonable classifier if you were going to have to group people into ethnicities. Not that I roll that way.

          • Duracell3 says:

            I fail to understand why you don’t cheer for the Leafs.

          • Drew42 says:

            I live in Vancouver and have for about 6 years now (originally from MTL), and I do find Vancouver lacks culture and class. It is FULL of stuck up pretentious people who care more about the type of car they are driving and how much higher above others they are.
            Obviously this isnt the only type of people out here but its pretty pathetic.
            I scoff when someone says it is the “best place on earth” or its the best city in canada to live in. Its nice, but MTL has such a life to the city such a mix of cultures and not such a segregated feel to it as Vancouver does.
            But still thats my 2 cents… if you like it who am I to try to change your mind. :P

    • shiram says:

      What I dislike most is the implied facts they spout, I know of alot of people cheering for the Canucks since the Habs went down.
      And I’d say Vancouver is the province I have the most interest in visiting as well.

  27. JayBee says:

    So we traded Lapierre because he wanted PK time and for whatever reason, JM didn’t agree. He’s played great this playoffs and I’ve always been disappointed by the trade because he’s a good bottom 6 player.

    Kinda annoys me how many quality players that have been dumped because of JM. Hope Max gets his cup this year.

    Higgins is playing great. Wish we kept him but I don’t feel that bad about trading him. Glad to see him playing some good hockey.

    One day the Habs will win a trade… I think the last one they won was the Max/Gorges for Rivet trade. The rest of either been even or a huge loss.

    Going forward we need to model our team after Vancouver. Skilled, puck-moving defensemen, big, skilled forwards in the top 6..a gritty bottom 6….who hits and can fight.

    Vancouver’s the most complete team in the NHL.

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      I always thought Laps was a good penalty killer before JM arrived. Am I wrong?

      — formerly notbigbird –

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        On day 1 of training camp JM decided he didn’t like Laps and Lats (not without reason), and he never wavered.

        JM has his good points. Finding a role for slightly wayward sheep isn’t one of them.

    • Malreg says:

      “Kinda annoys me how many quality players that have been dumped because of JM. ”

      Your definition of “quality player” is definitely different from mine, if you include Lapierre in that category.

      A 4th line player/agitator who averages 12 minutes of ice-time per game yet demands a trade because of a lack of playing time is not someone I want on my team. He was never even made a healthy scratch, but I guess that wasn’t good enough for him.

      I’m glad they got rid of him and his sense of self-entitlement. At least with Gauthier and JM it’s clear cut, if you don’t have the team mentality then we don’t want or need you. No more primadonna’s that think they should get whatever they want.

    • jon514 says:

      You realize of course, that we traded Higgins, Ryan McDonaugh and Pavel Valentenko for Gomez… Kinda makes it harder to swallow.

      “Let’s be clear on the facts…”

  28. Marc10 says:

    It’s their year and they’re getting it done. Good on Vancouver. It’s going to be a nice pay day for Bieksa this summer.

  29. Thomas Le Fan says:

    They’re not my team and Hewson’s referring to the Sedins by first name only is just bush league, as far as I’m concerned. Speaking of the dorkie twins, isn’t there something creepy
    about grown men looking exactly alike. I mean, you’d think one would grow his hair longer or wear his beard differently. Is mom still dressing them in cute little matching sailor suits?

    • kempie says:

      I’ve heard stories of people meeting one of them and not knowing which one it was. Honestly, I’m sure I wouldn’t know which one I was talking to. So yeah it does seem a little strange.

    • Clay says:

      Your bitterness belittles only you…the Sedins are great players, and personally I would love to have them play for the Habs.
      And it’s Jim Houson, not “Hewson” BTW, and many announcers call them by their first names – it’s the only good way to call a game with twins playing. Mike Emrick called them by their first names for the past 2 games on the VS telecast.
      __________________________
      The only interesting answers are those which destroy the questions. ~Susan Sontag

      • HabinBurlington says:

        minor technicality, but actually Hughson not “houson” or “hewson”

        Great Effort Boys, PG get to work this Summer!

        • Clay says:

          Right you are…just think a guy should know a guys name if he’s slagging him. I was defending him. ;)

          __________________________
          The only interesting answers are those which destroy the questions. ~Susan Sontag

          • HabinBurlington says:

            I figured so Clay, CHeers!

            Great Effort Boys, PG get to work this Summer!

    • eric says:

      I heard that Daniels kid looks like Hendrick

    • HabFarmer says:

      Ever see the movie “Dead Ringers”? Maybe the twins are into that sort of thing, you know? I thought it would have been hilarious if they switched places after they got picked for the All Star teams, just to see if anyone figured it out.

      “No, I see. The monkey’s out of the bottle now!”

  30. HabinBurlington says:

    Someone on last night’s thread asked if Eager really got flashed in the penalty box. Well……
    http://ca.deadspin.com/5803385/heres-your-keepsake-nsfw-photo-of-a-canucks-fan-showing-her-breasts-to-the-penalty-box-world-updated-with-video
    Apparantly in Vancouver you are rewarded when going to penalty box. The question what would you rather
    1) 2 green men
    2) 2 boobies

    Great Effort Boys, PG get to work this Summer!

  31. pat s says:

    Now if Gauthier wants to do something with substance in regards to UFA signings, he goes and gets keven bieska–no excuses, no stories, if you want him that bad you will get him

    these are the kind of players the habs need—

    I didn’t realize he was UFA—this is crazy, sign Bieska gauthier

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Bieksa is so under the radar – well done for sniffing out this great opportunity.

      • habs03 says:

        Issue is, Van wants to keep him, they have the money to keep him, and he wants to stay there.

        • pat s says:

          than make trades, do whatever it takes but get him on montreal–you want to beat phili/bruins in the playoffs, you need players like him—no stories,no excuses

          • habs03 says:

            Ok, it would start with Jarred Tinordi +, would you still do it, for a guy thats played over 70 games in a season only twice in his career?

          • SnowManHabs85 says:

            This is the kind of playoff performance that raise one players trade value. I don’t think PG is going to make a big trade just for his performance.

            He already made a trade for Halak and we all know he hasn’t really started a whole season as number 1 before that, and look how he struggled after the playing the 1st few games.

            “Responding to the media , or playing to the media, or listening to the fans is the quickest way to start losing” – Sam Pollock

          • pat s says:

            SnowManHabs85–I guess you have not seen Bieska play before the playoffs b/c its not just one game–I watched him play many times this year, and everytime I watch him I say why doesn’t Montreal get him–keep your head up if he is on the ice–thats all i got to say

          • Malreg says:

            Patty, I can’t tell, do you like Bieksa? :P

            Unfortunately this isn’t NHL11, and it’s not that simple. If he’s as good as you think he is, then why would Vancouver trade him to begin with?

        • Ayan_SB says:

          I think Vancouver’s going to have to choose between signing either Kevin Bieksa or Christian Ehrhoff, and I assume they’ll go with Bieksa.

          • pat s says:

            No, I would not trade Tinordi but I really have not seen tinordi enough to make a complete assessment on where he is developmentally. Definitely, I would have a meeting asap with my head scout and see where he is b/c no option is off the table for bieska–he can play, he is intense, and do not go in front of the net, i don’t care who you are b/c he will make you pay the price–this is a player that well tell Lucic or thorton or anybody for that matter”you try me”

            Forget the excuses,if you want a player that badly you will get him.. Of course i would not sell the farm but i definitely would be whealing and dealing to get him—i think if you are going to trade, well than trade players we have and drop salaries and don’t resign some of our UFAs–Bieska should be a priority–he would put character on our team and at least we have a mean streak with him–I LOVE THE WAY HE PLAYS HOCKEY

      • HalifaxHabs says:

        LMAO… zinged with subtlety. Classy.

    • issie74 says:

      If we are going to dream..we might as well go big how about Shea Weber and as log as we are at it how about Evgene Malkin?

  32. Bill J says:

    So apparently, the Montreal “Canadiens” are not a Canadian team ? I mean the article cites all the other CDN teams, not a mention of Montreal.

    Edit: apparently the Flames don’t count either.

  33. 24 Cups says:

    Brett Festerling and a 5th rounder, my ass.

    It will be poetic justice if Laps wins a Cup in Vancouver this spring.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Why?

      Lappy is probably the 19th most important member of that team.

      • The Cat says:

        A 3rd liner that outduels his counterpart is as crucial if not more than a first liner that gets outdueled by his opponent. Its not just about points.

        [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

      • HalifaxHabs says:

        because everytime an Ex-Hab ever produces for another team, a lot of people around here moan about how we shouldn’t have moved them. Standard fare for Habs I/O.

        • 24 Cups says:

          HalifaxHabs – I stated my dismay at the time of the trade, too.

          I realize we can’t always keep everyone, but let’s at least try and get a decent return. The Ribeiro trade being another prime example.

          The fact that Lapierre asked to be traded means nothing to me. I would have told him to shut up and work his way back into the line-up. Habs management needs to work on fitting round pegs into square holes.

          • pat s says:

            I mentioned the riberio trade a few years ago on the website but i had about 20 replies going at me b/c of their loyality to Gainey–that trade was and is one of the biggest jokes–we got taken to the cleaners on the trade

            the best was a few posts stated that he had substance abuse problem and thats why gainey needed to trade him–yeah, i know, in dallas there are no substances

          • issie74 says:

            Pat…you know Mike Riberio came on national T.V between periods of a Dallas game and thanked Bob Gainey for the 2nd chance he had given him, by sending him to Dallas.He and Theodore were traded but the coach lost his job too.Mr Gillette who owned the team had a big part in the decision and Claude Julien told the story that the Gillette family and Bob Gainey took no pleasure in the decision.

        • pat s says:

          Issie–they are just being political correct and riberio is saying thanks for making me look good on this trade

          enough is enough with these excuses in regards to gainey’s mistakes–i don’t want to hear it no more–he made the habs into the softest team in the NHL while convincing the majority of hab fans that he was a genious–

          the only thing gainey loyalists did was chase a dream

  34. HabFanSince72 says:

    That article on Vancouver versus the ROC is pretty lame, although Vancouver is the one Canadian city I would leave Montreal for.

    Never got why Pierre Lebrun is considered smart. Yes he is one of the most thoughtful pundits on Hockey Night in Canada, but this is good analysis?

    “We’ll say this about Eager: Yes, he took a few dumb penalties, but he was one of the few players on his team with the stones to try to do something out there Wednesday night.”

    And finally, remember those days back in December when Bieksa was on the trading block and we were a possible destination?

    Sigh …

  35. Haligonian-Hab says:

    Higgins! What a pass! What a TERRIBLE TRADE!


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