Can Canadiens trade Gomez?

Canadiens goaltender Price celebrates with teammates Gomez and Mara during their NHL hockey game against the Maple Leafs in Toronto

The Gazette’s Pat Hickey speculates – and many fans certainly hope – that the Canadiens could try and find a taker for Scott Gomez among teams that must make the salary cap floor and are looking to add expensive contracts.

Hickey says the higher salary cap makes trading away Gomez a distinct possibility if Pierre Gauthier can find a taker – and mentions Colorado and Phoenix as possible destinations.

Muller headed to AHL as head coach: TSN

Rising salary cap sparks trading flury: Globe and Mail

Busy week ahead for Gauthier, La Presse reports

Radical realignment coming? Globe and Mail

492 Comments

  1. HabinBurlington says:

    Here is Larry Brooks thoughts on Sather getting Richards.
    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/rangers/that_rich_CI52HqURuVUZeUKxfbGi1O

  2. TomNickle says:

    I think I would trust TSN to break that one before Eklund. But who knows.

  3. krob1000 says:

    Did Bieksa just sign in Vancouver or is Eklund at it again?

  4. HardHabits says:

    Cher SF09. Are you saying that a Muller Meltdown™ could possibly trump a Should I Trade the No Show Gnome? sing along.

    Join the chorus my friend.

    The armchair GM’s want to know
    Should PG trade the no show Gnome?
    They like to think that contract’s fine
    At least it’s not the end of time
    The armchair GM’s want to know
    Should PG trade the no show Gnome?

    It’s always shifts, shifts, shifts
    They’re happy when he makes assists
    One season’s fine, the next is black
    So now they want him off their back
    The armchair GM’s want to know
    Should PG trade the no show Gnome?

    Should PG trade the no show Gnome now?
    Should PG trade the no show Gnome now?
    If he goes there will be trouble
    An’ if he stays it will be double
    The armchair GM’s want to know

    Should PG trade the no show Gnome?

  5. JD_ says:

    * Don’t think Gomer’s headed anywhere this season. Simple reason bein’ if a team has cap floor issues, then they generally either have cash flow issues or tightwad owners. By 2012-13, however, with Gomer’s cap-salary gap at $1.9M, not to mention $2.9M the followin’ season, there’s a possibility he’s a goner.

    * The above reasonably assumes he doesn’t have a stand out 2011-12 and, as well, that we’re not all relegated to watchin’ World Series of Poker™ reruns in 2012-13. Moreover, Larry has to develop cause Poindexter Bentley Subban and Carey Price are ostensibly gonna chew up a solid chunk of the cap relief required to fill in the top-six hole.

    * Bettman’s proposed realignment – and by proposed, I mean fait accompli – kinda doesn’t mesh with my theory he eventually wants to take the NHL to Europe. Seems to me the only way the latter would work is with an even more unbalanced schedule, as opposed to a return to the potentially more balanced one he is suggestin’.

    * The Milford-Orange Bulletin is reportin’ that the Habs selected Avon Old Farms School – think Anne of Green Gables with a lot of sports – senior D, Colin Sullivan, in the 7th round of the NHL Entry Draft. Although Sully’s a great skater, I’m totally pissed off cuz Chex LeMeneux was available and…zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

    * Good for Kirk Is Work. Nobody is more deservin’ and it’s the right path for a man who wants to coach in the NHL. For obvious reasons, I have serious doubts Muller will ever be head coach in Montreal. Given 29 NHL coaches “lose” every season, there’ll be, however, plenty of placement opportunities when the time comes.

    * I recall attendin’ an oyster party some 17 years ago, right after Kirk was anointed the Habs’ captain. He was there, havin’ come at the behest of former Devils’ teammate and then-broker Doug Sulliman, now an assistant coach with Phoenix. In speakin’ to Muller, I mentioned he was fortunate to have just been given the second-best job on the planet right after the Pope. His face lit up and he quipped, “Oh yeah?” He was mobbed all night and never lost his smile.

    * Don’t think Kirk ever quite got over bein’ traded to the NYI after a relative handful of games in his new role with the Habs. His tenure with the Isles was a pout of epic proportions and I can’t blame him one bit.

    * Burkie sux.

  6. TomNickle says:

    I say keep Gomez and do your best to acquire Ryan Callahan from New York.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      i don’t know how we would get him, what it would take or if its doable, but Callahan is a really nice player, and would fit nicely. Do you think if they get Richards they need to move a guy like this?

      • TomNickle says:

        Well they’ve reportedly been dangling Dubinsky. Richards is a Ranger already, it’s happening. And he’s going to have to move salary out again.

        • Chips says:

          I`d take Dubinski!! He looked great last year. Dubinski for DD and Pouliot, and a pick.

          25 in 2012

          • JayBee says:

            With all due respect.

            This isn’t NHL 11 where you give a team a bunch of scraps and they give you one of their best players.

            Dubinsky will command a lot more than that…

            Something like a Leblanc, Webber and a 1st and I don’t even know if that’s enough.

          • TomNickle says:

            Leblanc, Weber and a 1st round pick for a player who hasn’t topped 55 points in his 4+ year NHL career. Now who’s being unrealistic?

            That kind of package is similar to what the Wild just got for Burns. Who is regarded as one of the best at his position with among the best upside heading into the future. Dubinsky doesn’t fit that bill.

          • JayBee says:

            Look at what Gomez got.

            Don’t compare Burns with Dubinsky. Burns had no intention of signing with Minnesota. They had to move him. The Rangers don’t HAVE to move Dubinsky.

          • TomNickle says:

            Jaybee, you’re comparing a player in Gomez who was a calder winner and close to a point/game player to Dubinsky who hasn’t been anywhere close to elite at any point in his career.

            You insulted somebody who proposed a modest trade package for Dubinsky and the funny thing is that persons’ suggestion is far more likely than yours. And you’re assuming that Burns had no intention of signing.

            Two first round picks and Yannick Weber for Brandon Dubinsky. Not in this lifetime pal.

          • HalifaxHabs says:

            JayBee likes to angrily call out all those who disagree with him. Par for the course.

        • Mike D says:

          Where did you hear the Dubinsky rumours, Tom? Someone else mentioned that and I asked for a source but didn’t get one. It certainly could be true but I have a hard time believing it.

          – Honestly yours

          • TomNickle says:

            Dave Pagnotta of Thefourthperiod.com posted that via twitter during the draft.

            And it makes sense with Richards going to the big apple. Also said Gaborik could be shopped.

          • Mike D says:

            @ Tom.

            Thanks for the info. I knew Gaborik would be shopped but I didn’t think Dubinsky would. To me it would make more sense for them to get rid of Wolski (assuming they find a partner) and keep Dub.

            – Honestly yours

    • Mike D says:

      Callahan would be nice on a line with Pleks and Cammy. Doubt it happens though.

      – Honestly yours

      • TomNickle says:

        Yeah there have been rumblings that he would be their next captain if Drury is bought out so I don’t imagine they’re in any hurry to move him.

  7. HabsRepresente says:

    if i was pierre Gauthier i would trade Gomez for a bag of ice and try to sign Richards. The problem is Richards has had concussion problems and what would we do if we didn’t sign Richards …..

  8. madmen says:

    (C/LW) Plekanec, Tomas(C) Cammalleri, Mike(LW/RW)
    $7,000,000.00 $5,000,000.00 $ 6,000,000.00

    Pacioretty, Max (LW) Gomez, Scott (C) Gionta, Brian(RW)
    $1,625,000.00 $7,500,000.00 $5,000,000.00

    Darche, Mathieu (LW) Eller, Lars(LW/C) Kostitsyn, Andrei (LW/RW)
    $700,000.00 $1,212,000.00 $ $3,250,000.00

    Travis Moen (LW/RW) Desharnais, David (C) White, Ryan(RW)
    $1,500,000.00 $850,000.00 $800,000.00

    Pyatt, Tom (1y)(C/LW)
    $625,000.00

    Markov, Andrei Gorges, Josh
    $5,750,000.00 $3,000,000.00

    Hal Gill  Subban, P.K.
    $2,250,000.00 $875,000.00

    Spacek, Jaroslav Alexei, Emelin
    $3,833,000.00 $1,409,000.00

    Weber, Yannick
    $900,000.00

    Price, Carey
    $2,750,000.00

    Auld, Alex
    $1,000,000.00

    CAP HIT: $62,829,000

  9. habstrinifan says:

    So many forecasts of bounce-back seasons for players and coaches returning as geniuses from stints in other organizations (conveniently subsidized to provide apprenticeship training for us) that I am giddy with optimism.

    So far… Gomez will have a bounce back year.
    Max Pac will be the catalyst as the ensemble cast of Gomez/Gionta and Max Pac, will after 30 games, be the rave of the NHL. Hope Boston and Tampa and and Philadelphia and Toronto were sent the memos to be mediocre during that 30 game stretch.
    Muller will be our head coach after a crash course paid for by Nashville.
    Boucher will somehow return to save us.
    Working on the theory that LESS IS MORE, a resigned Hammrlik playing 10 minutes per game will be the best darn 4th d-man and surpass the Hammrlik who played 17 minutes a game.

    It is only because of these assurances that I can overlook the enigma that is habs management.

    I am indeed giddy. Hoping that it is the optimism rather than the convolution.

  10. Timo says:

    So did HIO need a hits to the site boost? What possible other reason can there be for posting an article about trading Gomez?

    • TomNickle says:

      Because the reality is that there are two to three teams who would benefit from adding him Timo, and outside of Gomez the chances of them adding a player with a high salary without mortgaging the future are pretty slim.

      Colorado, Phoenix and Florida are in a position where they need to add multiple players at significant cap hits to get to the floor and be included in revenue sharing and not be fined for every day that they don’t satisfy the cap rules.

      Phoenix specifically makes sense even though it’s all speculative. He has roots close to Phoenix, they need more experience up front and he would be a personality on a team that lacks it with Bryzgalov gone.

      • Mattyleg says:

        Souray!
        Redden!
        DiPietro!

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • TomNickle says:

          Garth Snow loves Dipietro, he isn’t going anywhere, and they have no alternative.

          Souray’s been shopped for two years and they’ve found no takers because of his health and the two cement blocks that have been molded around his ankles.

          Redden would have to be included on an NHL roster to count against the Cap and I highly doubt that there are any teams out there would be open to including him. But it’s possible.

    • Ian Cobb says:

      You are always coming from the blind side TIMO and sometimes correct.

      Make a special effort to attend our Summit this year my friend. Come down with Grim Jim, he is in Calgary also.

  11. db says:

    The way I see it at least if PG wanted to trade Gomez he’s in a position of “strength” with this salary cap jump. Of course any team trading with us will be doing us a favour, which is why I was surprised at the package it took to get him in the first place.

    The one thing bothers me with Gomez is he never seems to “care”. His game face is so goofy lol. (It doesn’t really bother me). When he was asked about his 800th game he replied: “To be honest, I was happier when I hit 400. Pension!” Comments like that, even in jest, make it seem like he’s ok with the cup rings he has.

  12. SeriousFan09 says:

    Surprised the site hasn’t gone into absolute meltdown with Muller leaving the organization as of today.

    One should keep in mind though, Muller’s far more likely to end up back in Montreal as the HC after an AHL stint than ever stepping up take over the NSH bench. Trotz is there until he’s dead.

    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
    SF09 on Twitter

    • HalifaxHabs says:

      hopefully he can find a french tutor in Milwaukee.

      • ed lopaz says:

        I think “Le Petit Prince” Fielder might be willing to tutor Muller.

        Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

    • TomNickle says:

      Why are you teasing people Robert? We both know that won’t happen. He needs to be able to communicate in French to get this job. He can’t, and doesn’t have time to learn. He will not be the head coach here.

      Who was the last head coach here who couldn’t communicate in French?

    • Mattyleg says:

      I agree.
      It’s a very good thing that he didn’t go straight into the NHL.
      He needs actual coaching experience, where he’s the one making the decisions, and he’s the one with whom the buck stops.
      Then we’ll see how good he is, and yes, he might even come back to us!

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

  13. JayBee says:

    I wonder if Pouillot’s dad was around, if he’d be a superstar. It looks like his pops passing really screwed up his development.

  14. D Mex says:

    Interesting quote follows below from the previous (Gauthier loads up) thread, it was authored by HardHabits and directed at AB and an arguably distinguished audience :

    ” So rather than be a typical wishy washy Habs fan, why not man up a bit … ”

    Typical wishy washy … uhh, care to elaborate on this tough guy ?

    ALWAYS Habs –
    D Mex

  15. Chips says:

    I think these would be good defensive pairings for next year
    Markov-Emelin
    Hammer-Subban
    Gill-Gorges
    Weber
    25 in 2012

    • HalifaxHabs says:

      IMO, Subban will most likely be left with Gill because they worked so well together.

      Also Emelin won’t likely be on the top line, unless he blows everyones mind in camp/early in the year.

      So I would think it would look more like this:

      Markov Gorges
      Subban Gill
      Emelin Hammer(if the rumours are true)
      Weber

      • Chips says:

        I think Gill and Gorges will be reunited. I just don’t like Gorges on the first D pairing. So it could easily be Markov Subban, but if Emelin is half decent, Markov will make him better, or at least look better. I guess with Marky and Subbie on the ice together, opponents won’t know who to pick on!!! lol!

        25 in 2012

  16. Habitoban says:

    This Ottawa Valley guy has had plenty of chances to make it big but has always fallen short. Being a francophone can take you just so far in Montreal. Sure he had lots of promise early on in his career but hasn’t really done much recently.

    He is maddeningly inconsistent, brilliant at times, but other times his decisions make no sense. It’s even unclear whether he gets along with the players on the team. Sure his success has been affected by injuries on the team and the need to juggle the lineup, but that’s no excuse

    If only he would show a little passion for the game instead of looking like he’s in another time zone. No, I’m not talking about Benny — I’m talking about JM.

  17. New says:

    Can the Canadiens trade Gomez? Yes there are options to do so. The question should probably be “Do the Canadiens want to move Gomez?”

    Players like Gomez and (surprise) Pouliot have buckets of talent. Maybe too much talent. It carries them. Teams draft them, play them, develop them, and pay them. Some guys have to work really hard, not only to get into shape and stay injury free, but during practice and games. They work to get better, to keep their jobs or from something inside.

    I think Gomez is surprised to look back and see how bad he played last year. Always a step behind in the D zone; always zigging when a zag was needed in the O. I believe he inferred as much when the season was over. If he was serious then this year we should see the old Scott Gomez. Scott Gomez at 50-60 points and a + rating of 15 is a good guy to have around.

    Pouliot? So much talent. But he needs to be developed or he will end up playing in other leagues on the downslide. Boucher gets his hands on Pouliot and the rest of that crew he has, look out. For Pouliot a good thing, for the Canadiens another guy who fills the net only for other teams.

    In an ideal world or Columbus you would just put Pouliot with Gomez and take your lumps for 30 games until they got their act together and the league was raving about them. Then trade them if you really had that bug in your cap. Montreal is so set on winning “now” that won’t happen. So it is always buy high sell low with the Canadiens. Too bad.

  18. jimmy shaker says:

    Muller will be back as the next coach of the bleu, blanc et rouge after the season comes to an end. There’s a clause in his contract where he can return to the habs when JM moves upstairs , and Nashville/milwaukee were fine with that. That’s why he’s only signed for 1 year. So he’ll gain experience as a head coach, be really successful and come back up to the big club and bring the cup back home to canada namely montreal where it belongs!

    Cheers,

    Shaker

    • avatar_58 says:

      Martin fired/moved after a single bad year? He hasn’t had one yet statistically. ECF one year, losing to the champs the next. No sane GM would fire him.

      I’m not defending his asinine decisions, but people need some perspective here. He’d have to fail for 2 straight seasons to have his job in question.

      So you might as well get used to him for the remainder of his contract

    • TomNickle says:

      Muller won’t coach here until he can speak french.

      • jimmy shaker says:

        Ya I know, just thought I would stir the pot here today….Sucks losing coach’s and players that you want to stick around, but with departures comes the chance for someone else to come in and do well. This is the stance I’m taking with the wiz……..would love to keep him at about 4mill per, but he wants the big money payday and he’ll get it somewhere out there. Maybe a hometown discount before july 1st creeps into his and his agents head and he signs!!!

        Shaker

  19. nek25plus says:

    When a fan base / media group constantly berates what has been a very good player and diminishes the individual to the point of no return…it’s turns the player in into a self full-filling prophesy.

    Can he get back to the Gomez of old…not with constant negativity. Leave the speculation alone and let him work it out. He knows when he is good and when he is not…so do his teammates.

    We want great players to come to Montreal, and they won’t because they see what happens when the media and fan base sours on you. Players like Lecavalier, Briere, Gagne, Biron, And St Louis…were just beating down P.G’s door to join the club – NOT!

    Maybe P.G has very little to do with it…

    LET IT GO!

    • avatar_58 says:

      I sort of agree with this. Gomez can’t win now unless he puts up amazing numbers – a ‘decent’ season for a 2nd line centre won’t do because it still doesn’t justify the cap hit.

      Ideal situation sees Pacioretty having a career year and taking Gomez along for the ride as his setup man. This is what I hope happens…..but we’ll see

      • habstrinifan says:

        Here we go again.. asking a rookie to revive a non-performing VET’s career. How did that work out last time… oh yeah we found out that Gabovski(?) was better than the results and that Kovalev was … well washed up.

    • habstrinifan says:

      Now I feel like a heel.. to think that I am partly responsible for a guy making $7plus million sucking and not getting himself into shape enough to offset the ravages of time.

    • JustSomeguy says:

      Uhhhh …

      His offensive output stank.

      He was frequently indifferent defensively.

      The fans and media turned on him because he had the worst season of his career.

      His lacklustre play came before the online jeers.

    • RGM says:

      Four words.
      Carey Price: “Chill out.”

      Many people here were ready to railroad him right out of town a year ago at this time. Then he pWned everybody.

      During the long summer, we all get to be pretend GM.

  20. madmen says:

    Gomez will be playing in Montreal until June 30th 2014. Book it! He is the Captain’s wing men after all. You don’t want to mess with that.

  21. Chuck says:

    Montreal Candiens GM: You’re damned if you do, and damned if you don’t.

  22. Chips says:

    We don’t have anything to replace Gomer with. He was an important part of the team last year. When he was out with injury for a few games, his absence was very, very noticeable. That said he definitely had a very poor year, as did Gionta who did miss many good set-ups by Gomer! The best period of the season for both of them when Max played with them, so I think we need to let him try and have a bounce back year. Now Spacek would be very good to move, because I much prefer to have Hammer back for a couple more years at Spacek money, playing reduced minutes with reduced offensive responsabilities. Wiz is gonna be outta here unfortunately and let’s hope he doesn’t go to Boston!!! Good to have Marky back on board, let’s hope our loyalty doesn’t come back to bit us!!! We somebody to play with Markov that can keep the other teams from running him all the time, so I think Emelin may play with Marky for that reason and for communication purposes too!

    25 in 2012

  23. Mattyleg says:

    C’mon Li’l Gary,
    Grow a pair and drop two teams.
    Make it 28 teams.
    4 divisions of 7.

    North:
    Mtl, Tor, Ott, Bos, NYR, NYI, Buf

    SouthCentral:
    Dal, TB, Nsh, St.L, Car, Colu, Wsh

    NorthCentral
    Pitt, NJ, Phi, Chi, Det, Min, Win

    West:
    Cal, Edm, Van, LA, Ana, Col, SJ

    No stupid Pants, No stupid Yotes.

    Make it so.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  24. Propwash says:

    So, hypothetically speaking. If Gomez gets sent off, has a decent season, nothing extraordinary, will that make Gauthier an incompetent GM for getting rid of him?

    • issie74 says:

      That is what happened with Koivu.

      NorthTOHab

    • HalifaxHabs says:

      by H I/O standards yes, because pretty much all reviews of past moves, are totally revisionist. Most posters here, when evaluating past moves, can’t see past the current situation.

      for a good example of the reality of a situation when the move was made, Tom Nickle has a great post a few pages back in this thread about our situation when we traded for Gomez.

  25. kakey says:

    Probability speaking, Gomez can only perform better next seaon, since last season was his worst. It’s always wiser to trade or let go of someone who’s overachieving or peaking (Halak, Huet, Streit, Komisarek, Kovalev) than someone who’s not doing as well as he should with possible upside improvements (Grabovsky, borderline Sergei K).

    I would trade Gomez to clear cap space, but it would not be fair to blame PG if he rakes up more points than last season in another uniform cause he cannot do worse than last season.

    • V says:

      I hope Gomez is with us next year. Let’s try to get him back on his game.

      Agree that if he doesn’t, for everyone’s benefit – especially his – he should go.

      • Mattyleg says:

        I agree, V.
        He had a pretty good first season with us, then an abyssmal one.
        He owned up to it at the end of the playoffs, and I’d like to see if he can get himself back on track.

        Everyone was ready to hang Pleks out to dry after his season of Playing Like a Little Girl, but he’s come back and stuffed all the naysayers ties down their throats.

        Gomez deserves a chance. At least until Christmas. Then we’ll see.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • TomNickle says:

          Deserving the chance and getting it are two very different things.

        • kakey says:

          yap. We can add Price, Subban, even Gorges as those who rebounded from slumps. So if Gomer can rebound, it’ll just add to the characters already in this team.

          On the other hand if he is to be traded, he’ll fetch more approaching the trade deadline. No harm in waiting.

          • TomNickle says:

            The only way you move him out at the deadline is if you’re going to miss the playoffs. You don’t acquire a guy specifically because he has rings just to move him out when you’re on the brink of a playoff run.

          • kakey says:

            re: TomNickle

            “The only way you move him out at the deadline is if you’re going to miss the playoffs.”

            True that. Unless in the middle of the season DD or another C has effectively replaced Gomer’s spot with consistent results then he might be trade bait for another playoff berth team. Otherwise it’s better to have a “turn up a notch during playoff” Gomez during the playoff, as you can never have too many bodies going into it.

          • TomNickle says:

            Even then you don’t move him out because the potential suitors to replace him on the current roster have no experience deep in the NHl playoffs.

  26. NafSbah says:

    Pouliot is another example of classic Habs mis-management.

    Habs have to be the league leaders in giving up assets for other teams problems and getting absolutely screwed in the deal.

    It would be nice to come out ahead, just once!

    Timmins and the amateur scouts have saved PG, BG and JM’s asses for years.

  27. habsfan0 says:

    I wonder why Gomer’s play has deteriorated so much over the last few years. I mean, he’s not that old. Could it be that his enormous contract has diminished his desire to win?

    • Mike D says:

      If anyone knew the answer to that question, and the answer was something fixable, there would be no talk of trading Gomez cuz the skills are clearly there – it’s the results that aren’t.

      – Honestly yours

    • Mattyleg says:

      I, for one, would proably work significantly less hard if I had millions upon millions of dollars, and a guarantee for millions and millions more in the years to come.

      Look at kids: who works harder in Uni? The rich kid who’s going to inherit Daddy’s company (or possibly just live off the dividends), or the kid whose family has sacrificed to get him in there in the first place?

      Maybe that makes me a bad person, but maybe it’s just people.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • kakey says:

      He was kinda stuck in the style where he skates fast into the offensive zone with the puck and drops it off to a spooked winger at the edge of the blue line, then heads to nowhere expecting a play, instead of going straight in front of the net (he’s capable) and make a play there. All the other teams’ D have to do is just pin the wingers and the play is dead.

      If he does the above play 5 out of 10 times instead of 9 out of 10 then he gives himself and the team much more options to create offensively.

    • MathMan says:

      It actually hasn’t. He’s been getting 40 even-strength points like clockwork for three years before his infamous 38-point season. His underlying numbers have stayed level as well. He’s basically doing what he’s always done.

      PP scoring goes up and down, but the point of Gomez is five-on-five play.

  28. SmartDog says:

    Re. Pouliot.

    I agree with most below that he should be signed. But Hickey on CJAD this morning said he probably wouldn’t be. What’s the risk? The guy was a pretty good 3rd liner, threw quite a few hits, stood up for his teammates and will come cheap. Of course if he can be packed with Gomer… my blessings! But otherwise this is just another cheap young player who is a bit frustrating so will be cut loose before he realizes his value elsewhere.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I think the problem here is JM is fed up with him, and it almost seems personal between the two of them. Obviously just my distant fan observations. But the patience JM had for Benoit was virtually half of a shift by seasons end.

      • Timo says:

        Pouliot has his share of issues – one thing for sure, JM is not going to help him. Many people point that Subban turned out more than ok, but it’s despite JM not because of him that Subbie turned out to be a great dman and a key player for the Habs. Pouliot, while still salvageable, doesn’t have SUbban in him and if he gets better, it won’t be under Martin’s reign.

        • Mattyleg says:

          Wow! That’s amazing!
          Subban’s obviously tougher than everyone thought, that he had to fight against the detrimental work of his coach to become a great defenceman. Whadda guy.

          And yeah, Pouliot is really suffering under the poor coaching of JM. And that terrible coach in Minnesota. What was his name…? Something Lemaire..? They ruined him.

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • Timo says:

            Pouliot gets half a shift to not make a mistake. If he does, he is glued to the bench. Next shift he comes out (if he gets a chance) he doesn’t do jack because now he is afraid to make a mistake. So he will float, hopefully under the radar.

            Lets agree to disagree. You think JM is great, I think less than that, ok?

          • RGM says:

            LOL @ “Pouliot gets half a shift to not make a mistake.” And yet he still does find a way, doesn’t he?

            During the long summer, we all get to be pretend GM.

          • V says:

            Agree with you.

            Not fair to slag JM for the lack of success with SK, Latendresse, O’Byrne and others if you are not prepared to give him some credit for Subban, Price, Gorges and others.

            Unless the coach/player relationship is different from pretty much every other relationship (and it isn’t IMO), coach and player share responsibility in successes and failures.

          • ZepFan2 says:

            No Timo.

            Poo-poo gets a half a shift till he trips over the blue/red line, ice chip, drop of water and wind gust.

            He’s probably “glued” to the bench so he wont fall over.

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          • Mattyleg says:

            Timo,
            I don’t necessarily think that JM’s great, but I don’t agree with hanging him out to dry for underproducing players.

            Pouliot was given tons of leeway in the first half of the season, and it was only later on that he was kept under the regime that you describe.

            I’m happy to disagree over JM’s coaching style, but you’ve gotta admit that Pouliot lacks NHL-level drive.

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • issie74 says:

            Subban was already a good defenceman,he just had to learn JM’s system.

            NorthTOHab

        • ZepFan2 says:

          So, if a young player does bad under Martin’s reign, it’s Martin’s fault.
          If a young player does good under Martin’s reign, it has nothing to do with Martin.

          Gotcha’! :???:

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          • HalifaxHabs says:

            LOL Zep, that’s pretty much the long and the short of it on this site.

          • ed lopaz says:

            not exactly.

            There are different type of players and different types of young players.

            A young player like Subban could play for ANY COACH.

            Subban is self-disciplined, Subban is special, and Subban is able to take criticism very well, learn from it and bounce back.

            Pouliot is the exact opposite. Pouliot is fragile, lacks discipline and self confidence.

            Pouliot would do amazing playing for an “encourager” like Boucher in Tampa.

            A coach who “builds up” the qualities of his players and encourages them to succeed.

            Martin’s style works well for veterans and “CERTAIN” young players, who come to the team with very strong and confident character.

            Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

          • issie74 says:

            Fans just do not make sense.

            NorthTOHab

          • V says:

            Tried to reply to Ed below but system won’t let me.

            Ed… lot’s of speculation/guesswork in your post but it’s good speculation/guesswork. The only thing I would suggest is that JM’s style and it’s influence on players is probably exaggerated. Even if your speculation on his style is accurate, his style is going to be tempered by his assistant coaches – it’s a coaching team.

            Even if he were the hardass so many here think he is, others are going temper that impact depending on what works or does not work with a specific player.

    • shiram says:

      He’d get a raise in his qualifying offer, or is it any contract over a million does not get a raise?
      Pouliot as not worked consistently at the nhl level since he came to the nhl.
      Management might just be thinking they can get a better player to fill his spot.
      I am unsure if it’s worthwhile to keep him, but it’s an interesting thing to keep track of.

    • Mattyleg says:

      Poupou isn’t happy.
      He didn’t talk to the media at the end of the season, and hasn’t since.
      No “I’d like to come back, but I don’t know what the management’s plans are.” No “I’m going to have to work hard and pick up my game to stay here.” No “Honetement, je m’en câlisse pas!”

      He’s already out of here in his mind, I think. Hanging on to him would be detrimental to team spirit.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • SmartDog says:

        The most intersting post of the bunch here. Good point. But it’s up to Mgt to DO SOMETHING with him and not just let him go for nothing. If they can’t get anything for him, bring him back and put some effort into him.

    • ed lopaz says:

      I think the Habs would be foolish to let him go.

      He is 25, reasonably priced, 6″3 and 200 lbs with a crazy streak in him, and a PURE SCORER.

      You know, I’m not an NHL coach.

      But I would give Pouliot 20 games full shift with Eller as his center next season.

      And who knows??

      Eller is a hard working, great kid that is inspiring to watch.

      I would definitely keep Pouliot!!!!

      Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

  29. HardHabits says:

    My big question is this. Who replaces Gomez if he’s traded? Another UFA? DD?

    The Habs don’t have any first line potential centres amongst their prospects, and the other centres they have are not ready for the big show. As it stands the Habs don’t even have a #1 centre or any of the other components necessary to complete a true NHL #1 line. It’s 2a and 2b for the Habs.

    I’d hope that the Habs actually nab a #1 centre before they trade Gomez. And I don’t mean another over-priced veteran has been like for example Brad Richards.

    The Habs have to start thinking like champions again. Get this #1 centre, and not just one of them, via the draft. Or pilfer somebody else’s draft pick(s).

    The Gomez move was necessary at the time. It should never be repeated.

    I am excited about Subban, ditto for Price. Then I think about the lack of a #1 centre, a lack of a number 1 line fuelled by actual power forwards and the excitement dissipates.

    • shiram says:

      Well yea, Gomez is bad, but can do some ok work, and we’d need someone to take his place.
      Just have to ask how badly do you want to get rid of him, and if you do, who do you pick to fill his spot?
      If someone came inquiring about Gomez, and you’d have no one to replace him, would you be willing to try Cammy back at center? Could be someting like Pleks / Cammy / Eller / White as our 4 centers, with DD probably on the wing of Eller.

    • Timo says:

      Can you see anybody, I mean ANYBODY, doing worse than Gomez? I am sure DD will do just fine. Even Spacek centering the second line will get more points than Gomez.

    • ooder says:

      how do you replace terrible defensive zone coverage and 7 goals?

      ——————
      Gomez: 36 and counting!

      • HardHabits says:

        I am not pleased with Gomez’ play last season but the Habs would’ve be worse off without him because they didn’t have anything better to replace him with. So we’d be looking at a team that has less wins.

        Probably worse than 88 points and 47%. You don’t want to go back there ooder. Tony is sleeping. Don’t make me wake him up.

    • ed lopaz says:

      actually I think the Habs could get 80-85 points from Plekanec.

      and Cammy has shown he’s capable of scoring 34 in 2007 and 39 in 2009.

      so any combination with Plekanec and Cammy would qualify as a #1 line by any NHL standards.

      Plekanec is not big, but he is very effective and very smart offensively (and defensively)

      The problem is not “acquiring a #1 center” in my opinion.

      The problem is figuring out how to unleash more offence from Pleks and Cammy, while not sacrificing the defensive side.

      Playing Plekanec on the penalty kill, for example MUST STOP!!

      He is excellent on the PK, no doubt.

      But those minutes are very tough energy minutes, and they take a heavy toll on him throughout the game, and especially from March through the playoffs.

      If Plekanec’s role was modified, he could easily help us produce more offence.

      No way he should have 57 points.

      Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

      • HardHabits says:

        I agree with the Plex on the PK part. I said that while back. You’re top line guys shouldn’t be carrying the bulk of the PK minutes. That should be the responsibility of the 3rd and 4th liners.

        Plex IMO would be an excellent #2 centre but he’s no #1. He lacks the power forward grit. The Habs need a centre better than him to contend. With one look out. That player is not Gomez. The Habs don’t have that player.

        • ed lopaz says:

          do the red wings have a # 1 center with “power forward grit”?

          I totally admire the red wings as an organisation and they have succeeded in this league year in and year out without a center who had grit.

          But I understand what you are saying.

          Trade Gomez.

          Acquire Brandon Dubinsky as your replacement for Gomez.

          I believe that would make a HUGE DIFFERENCE.

          Make it so, Pierre. Make it so.

          Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

      • JayBee says:

        I really can’t see Cam scoring 35+ in this system.

    • petefleet says:

      With all due respect, trading Gomer has nothing to do with a 1st line centre. He hasn’t been that guy since he came to the Habs. Trading him will not leave a gap, a hole or even a shadow of a 1st line centre. His paycheck has nothing to do with his performance. If PG can get rid of him, then do it. Sianora.

      ***Habs Forever***

  30. Mike D says:

    Just had a look at the Panthers roster on NHLnumbers.com and it leads me to believe that there is an excellent chance we could trade Spacek to them.

    They currently only have 4 Dmen signed for next year and that group makes a combined total 10.04mil on the cap (which includes Campbell and his 7.14mil cap hit).

    I realize there are plenty of Dmen available this summer, but FLA is looking to make it to the next CBA in hopes the new agreement will serve them better. Spacek having only 1 year left on his contract must be attractive to them and it gives them a true vet Dman as well. As Tom Nickle said, GM’s would rather acquire an overpaid contract than sign one themselves.

    Fingers crossed……

    – Honestly yours

    • TomNickle says:

      I believe Tallon traded Spacek out of Chicago. I might be wrong though.

      • Mike D says:

        That’s possible. Do you think that would prevent him from re-acquiring Spacek if that was the case though?

        He’d really be a perfect fit down there considering his contract and the role they would likely give him.

        – Honestly yours

        • issie74 says:

          No. He re-aquired Campbell after giving him a ridiculous contract.

          NorthTOHab

          • Mike D says:

            Different situation though. Tallon didn’t trade Campbell away like he did with Spacek (assuming he was the GM at that time). I don’t necessarily think this would prohibit him from re-acquiring Spacek, but who knows if there’s bad blood there or something.

            – Honestly yours

  31. SmartDog says:

    5 QUESTIONS (FOR THE GOATMAN):
    1. Should Hamrlik be resigned for 1 year?
    2. Should Pyatt be resigned?
    3. Would it be a mistake to let Pouliot go?
    4. Will Gorges sign for less or more than 2.5 million?
    5. Will PG ship at LEAST one of Spacek and Gomez?
    SD

    • TomNickle says:

      1. Only if Spacek is traded.
      2. Yes, he’s grown offensively at each level once he’s had time to adjust to the league.
      3. For nothing, yes, for something, no.
      4. No.
      5. Yes

    • Rugger says:

      No
      No
      Yes
      more
      not until trade deadline

    • Hoegarden says:

      1. No
      2. No
      3. Yes
      4. more
      5. Hopefully both.

    • HalifaxHabs says:

      1) Only if a space for a d-men is left open via trade.

      2) They might as well qualify him… he can be a 13th/14th forward, or includedi n a trade.

      3) To let him walk for nothnig could easily turn into a mistake.

      4) I’m thinking right around 3 mil/yr, maybe we get lucky and it comes in around 2.75.

      5) If possible he will, but that’s a HUGE if. I’m thinking it won’t happen.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      1. Nooooooo

      2. Yes. Like the guy.

      3. Yes. He will be cheap. Let’s give him one last chance.

      4. More.

      5. Ship Spatch sign Wiz. I hope.

    • Mike D says:

      1) Maybe, if we can get rid of Spacek.

      2) Only if he plays in Hamilton. We have the space and the need for a better 4th line PK guy.

      3) Possibly – he does have potential and is still young. I’d keep him for 1 more year at the same salary unless we can get someone better who’s cap-friendly. I would also tell him this is your last chance in a not-so-harsh way.

      4) More. Definitely. Hopefully less than 4mil though.

      5) Yes. Spacek is the easier contract to unload so he’s the best candidate.

      – Honestly yours

      • HardHabits says:

        4 million? If Gorges gets a 4 million offer sheet I’d hope the Habs let him walk and take the draft picks. His last contract was 1.1 million. If he get’s a penny above 3M I’d be surprised. I think, I certainly hope, it will be more like 2.25-2.275M for 2-3 years. 4 million. Yikes. Dude!!!!

        • Mike D says:

          Easy there, HH. I didn’t say he’s worth 4mil or that I would give it to him if I were GM. I implied that he might get close to that. This is based on some recent signings of comparable players.

          There was article recently linked here on HIO regarding the situation (I think Arpon’s?) that gave the comparables, but I can’t remember them off hand.

          Also, don’t forget he’s one of the team’s leaders and an excellent shutdown/PK Dman.

          If you were looking for my opinion, then I’d try to get him for under 3mil.

          – Honestly yours

          • HardHabits says:

            I love Gorges. I just believe that players need to earn their pay-checks. Move up the ladder properly. Gorges at 4 million a gross exaggeration and IMO would be better replaced with picks. At 1.1 for the last 3 years I figure anything above 2.25 is gravy. Especially given the plethora of defence-men in the system.

            I think the Habs can sign him for under 3 million though. 2-3 years. Then after that if he’s really worth it he’ll get his pay day and I still think at that point the maximum will be 3.5-4M.

            – Respectfully

        • issie74 says:

          If anyone makes an offer sheet and the Habs don’t accept,there has to be compensation and he dosen’t go for nothing.

          NorthTOHab

    • HardHabits says:

      1. No. Not even id Spacek is traded.
      2. He’s a RFA. Sign him. Trade him.
      3. Yes.
      4. He made 1.1 million last contract. Anything above 2.2 is more than a 100% raises. 2.25M for 2-3 years is more than enough.
      5. Spacek I’d like to see moved. Gomez. Dream on and give it up. There is nobody to replace him. He’s with the Habs until at least next year’s trade deadline. He might be moved next summer, but I’d be highly doubtful it would even happen let alone before that.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      1. as others have said, only if Spacek gone
      2. only as depth player not to be a regular in lineup
      3. Yes
      4. between 2.5 and 3 with good term
      5. Hopefully Spacek

    • 1.No!
      2.No!!
      3.Difficult to say. He’s stagnated & he’s very inconsistent but he obviously has potential. I find that he disappears whenever we need him most, the opposite of what you look for in a role player.
      4.Not less, hopefully not more.
      5.He SHOULD trade Spacek.

    • GenerationYHabs says:

      1. Only if we move Spacek and can’t nab the wiz

      2. Yes, it will be cheap trade bait.

      3. Yes, we should take one more shot at him, there’s just to much potential there plus he’s cheap

      4. Probably a bit more

      5.Gomez won’t move but maybe Spacek.

    • savethepuck says:

      1. Only if Spac ids traded( or maybe Weber)
      2. Two way only
      3. For Nothing? Yes.
      4. 20 to 30 % more
      5. Maybe Spac, not Gomer

      “That beautiful bastard scored semi-conscious.” On the Rocket’s Game 7 game winning goal against the Bruin’s April, 1952

  32. HabFanSince72 says:

    In 2010-2011 the second worst Hab on +/1 was Hal Gill at -9.

    The worst?

    Scott Gomez: -15.

    Brian Gionta was a +3

    • TomNickle says:

      Koivu had a -21 season with the Habs in a year where he scored 75 points. Gonna start throwing him under the bus?

      • SmartDog says:

        He was playing on a line with Ryder (-25) and sometimes Lats (-20). So the story wasn’t just him… whereas Gomer is alone with his sad stats. And when he scores 75 points a season, we’ll forgive some of his horrible defensive play. But that wont happen. I’m taking bets.

    • SmartDog says:

      Gomez’s -15 wasn’t his fault.

      He kept stepping on the ice just when the other team scored and stepping off it just before our team scored. He really was the catalyst on about 20 goals he didn’t get credit for. And his defensive play was so strong that other teams would score when they saw him coming just to keep the puck away from him. And this morning I flew to the moon and back. My goldfish is next in line to be pope.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        What is your goldfish’s name? I have a bet with some people on the name of the next pope, any help or insight so i can win 20bucks is always appreciated.

    • MathMan says:

      Gomez couldn’t buy a goal at even-strength. Therefore his points total and his plus/minus both suffered.

      His big minus is largely due to lack of plusses though; his minuses were perfectly in line with everyone else (equivalent to Plekanec, for example).

      It all boils down to on-ice shooting percentage with him…

  33. twilighthours says:

    It’s rare that Hick comments on rumours, so maybe there’s some fire with the smoke on this one.

    It’d be nice.

  34. secretdragonfly says:

    So it’s official, Captain Kirk is head coach of the Milwaukee Admirals. I’ll really miss hearing his on-bench interviews with Joel Bouchard that always ended with “ya, merci”. Good luck, Kirk, and we hope to see you back with the big club before too long.
    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=370150

  35. Timo says:

    Hickey has quite an imagination.

  36. ffenliv says:

    If, in the fantasy universe where Gomez is a moveable item, he is moved, what would you do with the massive amount of cap space that would free up? I’m not much of an arm-chair GM, as I never have any idea who will sign for what. I’m just curious what you guys think.

    • TomNickle says:

      Sign Subban and Price to extensions and bank the rest for a rainy day. You never know who will become available in next year’s ufa market with an unconditional buyout period and potential ufas.

  37. MathMan says:

    I think a better question is: do the Habs *want* to trade Gomez?

    Gomez has an important role on the club — he plays second-line minutes in a power-on-power matchup scheme. That means he gets relatively tough minutes — minutes Eller is not yet ready to take on and Desharnais might never be. Centers who can take these assignments are rare; that was the reason the Habs got Gomez in the first place. On the UFA market, only Brad Richards is certain to be able to do so; then there are three of four ‘maybes’, such as Tim Connolly.

    While Gomez’s transient dip in production generates knee-jerk reactions and accusations of flaws in his game that simply aren’t there, I think the Habs’ brass is going to take a more circumspect view of this. Plekanec-Eller-Desharnais-Engqvist is certainly not the center line they will use in a year they expect to be competitive.

    (I assume we’re talking about the real-life Gomez, and not the goat’s horn fitted caricature too many people are talking about.)

    Keep in mind that the Habs are looking to have about 7-8 million in cap space with 21 players signed. And with the weak UFA market, they will be hard-pressed to find players worth spending that money on. The salary cap has gotten so high it just isn’t much of a limiting factor this year.

    The Habs aren’t going to trade Gomez unless they have a replacement solution in place. And if they do trade Gomez I’m actually more curious as to what that solution looks like than I am in what they might get in return.

    • ed lopaz says:

      just on the basis of his DEFENSIVE ZONE COVERAGE, Gomez should not be out there against top lines of the other team.

      I’m not discussing offensive production.

      Gomez was so out of position, so terrible in our zone, that Martin’s defence first strategy was unable to function with him on the ice.

      I will never bash a player for not producing points.

      I saw plenty of perfect passes, at least 10 maybe more, to guys like Gionta who were alone right in front of the net, and the wingers could not finish.

      But I will not tolerate defensive zone breakdowns from a veteran like Gomez.

      That is precisely why Gainey got involved late in the season.

      Enough is enough.

      Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

      • TomNickle says:

        You’re right and his breakdowns were a direct result of trying to cheat offensively due to the lack of production in that area Ed. I’m not going to play the blame game because Gomez is enough of a veteran as you say that he should know better than to start cheating defensively to create offense, but if Gainey had to step in I’m not too pleased with the way Gomez was handled in the room.

        • ed lopaz says:

          Is the room Gionta’s room?

          because I thought Gionta had a very close relationship to Gomez and the captain should be able to handle this.

          Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

          • TomNickle says:

            I think it’s more Gomez’s room than Gionta’s to be honest. The guy that lightens the mood in the room always has control. I think Gill and Gomez are the real vocal leaders of the team and that Gionta is the on ice leader, for what it’s worth.

      • MathMan says:

        Gomez’s defense could be better, but he was still on the ice for a number of goals per icetime virtually equal to Tomas Plekanec.

        Not arguing that Gomez is as good defensively as Pleky (strength of opposition being a big, big factor) but perhaps his defensive deficiencies are being overblown. Just one of the many things he’s being blamed for because he doesn’t score…

    • twilighthours says:

      Neither you nor I are GMs, MatbMan, but I can confidently say that the Canadiens would love to trade Gomez.

      • MathMan says:

        If they had a replacement ready, sure.

        Otherwise, they won’t. They can’t afford to. They don’t have the center depth to compete without him.

        Yet. Next year is a completely different animal.

  38. coachdoug says:

    Here we go…getting the fan base all excited. If the Albatross flies it will be a miracle. What would we get in return is the issue at hand…

    Go Habs Go!

  39. HardHabits says:

    I still can’t get over the NHL’s idea to create four divisions – the Pacific, Midwest, East and South.

    Hello?

    What about North? You Know. Where winter is. Ice. Snow. That sort of thing. Out-door rinks in the winter.

    Why not make it – North, South, Central and West.

    South. Hilarious. Rather, it should be called the Bettman’s Sun-Belt Strategy Division.

    • TomNickle says:

      Why go four divisions? Well, Bettman has always been an NBA boy. This will be his final symphony.

      And then hopefully we get somebody who knows something about hockey to change the division alignment back to the way it should be.

      • 21272andme says:

        actually — why go 4 divisions?

        because 30 doesn’t divide by 4 evenly, and 32 does. expansion fees from two new teams makes the owners (and the nhl as a business) very happy.

        pretty obvious to see.

        • TomNickle says:

          You think they’re going to expand to two new teams?

          There are only a handful of teams now who make money.

          • 21272andme says:

            which is why 2 new expansion teams that can perform strongly (e.g. hamilton) will not only inject a boatload of expansion fees for the owners to divvy up, but also inject additional revenue sharing profits to the under-performing teams. more money to go around; lump sum and residuals.

            also, its important to understand that owning a team that loses money isn’t a “bad” thing. these aren’t small business owners. they have multiple businesses and holdings, and if the teams are set up properly (they all are), the losses of one flow through to offset other tax liabilities they may have. it’s just important to cap & limit the losses appropriately (e.g. phoenix).

            do i think expansion is good for the league and product? no. but are these considerations when thinking of the business side of the operation? absolutely. and that’s one of the league’s core roles.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Yah, my fear is somehow someway Bettman will create the divisions such that alot of his struggling US Sunbelt teams get put together thus providing much better chance to get a playoff position. Not sure he works it, but it would be his “payback” to these teams to get them the playoff revenue they have never gotten.

        Brings back nightmares of the early 70’s alignment where all the best teams beat each other up only to face the St. Louis Blues in the Cup final every year.

    • SmartDog says:

      North would make Americans think Canada has something to do with hockey and Bettman wants them to think it’s their game so they will like it. The man is just so brilliant.

    • Duracell3 says:

      Time zones.

  40. BeeGee says:

    What I’m curious about is the impact the next CBA will have on GM’s during the UFA period… Will they be more cautious or go all out in the hopes that there is an ‘opt-out’ clause again…
    Also on the subject of Gomez, I don’t see GM’s taking on his contract not knowing what will happen next year. Like it’s been said here, GM’s who need to reach the floor will probably go for 1 year contracts if they can…

    • TomNickle says:

      General Managers by majority would far rather acquire a high salary player than sign a player to a contract way above market value. Acquiring a player doesn’t impact future salaries, signing a player to a ridiculous contract(Gomez, lol) does.

  41. TomNickle says:

    Gomez hasn’t performed up to expectations. Any fool can see that. But the hindsight in this place is running rampant yet again.

    First of all, the locker room following that Bruins sweep was a mess. Max Lapierre of all people was questioning the leadership and work ethic in the dressing room. Anyone think it’s a coincidence that Moen, Gill and Gionta were added after that?

    Second, Tomas Plekanec was coming off of a 39 point season. 39 points! Is that your #1 centreman of the future? Any General Manager who handed his first line over to a guy fresh off of a season like that would be fired if the player didn’t come back like gangbusters the following season. It wasn’t a risk that Bob Gainey was willing to take.

    So what did he do? He tried to land Lecavalier, and based on the alleged package I thank the big guy upstairs everyday that he didn’t.

    That failed, so he went out and got Gomez, who had scored 272 points in his prior 312 games. Koivu was off of the table due to a playoff meltdown and a few incidents in the locker room going back a few years involving Souray and Kovalev.

    Nobody else was available, and this team doesn’t tank much to the dismay of the bi-polar fans who are in desperate need of a superstar.

    There wasn’t much else that Gainey could have done, and considering the success this team has had since Gomez’s arrival and where it appears to be headed, it wasn’t a mistake. McDonagh being in an NHL lineup doesn’t make him a star, it doesn’t make him better than Gomez and it doesn’t make him a future star.

    If the right deal comes along I’d be okay with Gomez being moved out of Montreal, but his acquisition was not a mistake, it hasn’t prevented the team from doing anything that it has wanted to do.

    • BeeGee says:

      Excellent point.
      It’s just tough for a lot of people to rationalize because the guy is making 7.5M a year and seemingly dogin’ it…

      • SmartDog says:

        REPLY TO TOM ABOVE (posted one step too low)
        Okay so you went over the history of the decision and it looked somewhat better than then it does now that he’s had two declining years during which he’s looked lazy and out of sync.

        But to conclude “his acquisition was not a mistake, it hasn’t prevented the team from doing anything that it has wanted to do” denies the obvious. And it’s fantasy. We can’t know what it’s prevented the team from doing. Certainly it’s prevented us from having a strong 2nd line center.

        And his acquisition WAS absolutely a mistake. Jeez. Crazy.

        • TomNickle says:

          How was it a mistake? Please explain that myth to me. The team has been successful, he’s been one of our leaders, his linemate has been our leading goal scorer since his arrival and we will have more cap space than his cap hit when our free agents have been signed.

    • Rugger says:

      Good post. The Habs are headed in the right direction.

    • Disagree. Gomez handcuffed every single player JM added to his line except MaxPac. Because the UFA market is so thin it doesn’t make any sense to dump him for nothing & I sincerely hope he has a rebound season. I know he’s capable of it but IMO MaxPac, DD, Subban & especially the Wiz salvaged last year for us. It had little to do with Scott Gomez, who remains an albatross and a mistake. Maybe there were only mistakes to make that year, but we’ll never know.

    • thorandresson says:

      you’re making too much sense!

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      the big guy upstairs ….

      Gary Bettman?

    • HardHabits says:

      Excellent post. A little emotional. Dare I say, “Angry?”

      • TomNickle says:

        No, just frustrated. Bottom line is that he’s a good player who has definitely lost his way. And he does care. He scored a goal, I forget who it was against which is a surprise because he scores so few. I remember how pissed off he looked after he scored. He knows he’s been sub-par and I think he would give most of the salary back to get his game back.

    • madmen says:

      could’t more agree! Keep it up!

    • JF says:

      Excellent post.

  42. twocents says:

    Because of the jump the cap took this summer we are likely to see serious inflation in salaries during this UFA season. Markov’s contract will look like the bargain it is by next week this time.

  43. ooder says:

    if gomez is so useful.. then why was he, a veteran with “stanley cup experience” and 2 stanley cup rings, replaced by Eller to shadow bergeron in the bruins series?
    Gomez was out competed by everybody on the ice.. while guys like Eller, halpern and everybody else busted their ass on the ice, Gomez was just as bad defensively as he was offensively
    ——————
    Gomez: 36 and counting!

  44. 21272andme says:

    the carter, richards, and setoguchi trades are going to have a major impact on all players and their future contract negotiations — either as a totality or phildelphia and san jose really tarnished their trust and player relationship.

    i’m “ok with it”, since it plays by the rules. but then you can’t complain when a player does the same and isn’t willing to waive his ntc/mnc, etc (e.g. brad richards or mats sundin).

    carter and richards signed really long-term very cap-friendly deals because the GM asked them to help and show some loyalty. carter even turned down an offer sheet years earlier out of loyalty. how does he get repaid? traded to a horrible destination only to think back at how he had other opportunities (including hitting free agency this summer) but turned it down based on loyalty and promises that were now not kept. pretty big bummer.

    setoguchi signs with the sharks on a thursday — mutliyear, fair amount, and felt he was doing the organization that drafted and developed him a solid. then they trotted him out to the media and he went on record how happy he was to be in san jose etc etc. wake up the next day .. traded.

    the same way overinflated and bad signings change the free agency landscape and make other teams overpay by setting a bar, the san jose and philly moves just totally changed the landscape too. you think gorges or anyone is going to sign a multi-year home discount deal now? ya right, every player is now thinking they’ll only watch out for their own back or do the org a solid if they get a ironclad ntc/mnc.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Yah except the supposed offer sheet he turned down to sign, was an offer sheet his agent flaunted in Holmgren’s face a week before Free agency occurred. Therefore the agent was in violation of tampering. I recognize this happens alot, I just can’t get over the personal joy i saw in watching Carter/Richards get the rug pulled out from under them. You bring up great points though, gotta believe all agents will be using these examples in their negotiations and how they can’t trust GM’s at their word anymore.

  45. Chris F says:

    I’ll be shocked if PG adds a top six winger who is tough, and someone to center the fourth line.
    DD is too small for the job. Someone needs to center Moen and White down there. A true fourth line.
    I expect PG may only look to add a 13th forward or a 7th D.
    But I am still holding out hope that he surprises me.
    I will give him props for landing Wiz, he was a great pick-up.
    Otherwise, I fear we will be watching the 10′-11′ season all over again.
    Can’t wait to see Patches play again!!
    C’mon PG, get a big scorer to play with Pleks and Cammy.
    Ak Eller Darche Third Line
    White “Big Center” Moen Fourth Line.

  46. HabinBurlington says:

    Brooks Laich is on alot of good teams radar this summer. Not only will he get overpaid, but overpaid by a good team probably in the U.S. with better tax advantages for him.

    I am hopeful PG can try get Ville Leino. He could be a good fit with Cammy and Plex.

    Leino/Plex/Cammy
    MaxPac/Gomez/Gionta
    AK/Eller/DD
    Darche/White/Moen

    Markov/PK
    Gill/Gorges
    Spacek/Emelin
    Weber forward or D

    Price
    Auld

    I see something like that as opening day roster (have no idea how JM will pair the dmen)

    • CMAC1978 says:

      Hi Guys long time reader, only now starting to post.

      HabinBurlington as much as I would like to see Leino in a Habs uni, does he really fit the bill for what we need on our top line? I would see him in more of a second or even third line role. He’s proven he can get decent points playing on a deep teams thrid line, and that he’s clutch in the post season. He hasn’t really shown he can be that 50-60 point guy on a first line.

      I honestly think and a lot of you have the same idea that I do, is that we need to build our fourth line with strong players and move up that way. Our third is perfect, with a turn around year, our second will be awesome. We need that big presence on our first line. We can wait until next year for that piece. we can add talent to the first by actually giving Big Ben a chance. Will teams be worried about Thomas Flieshman? he could play will with Plecks and Cammy.

      adding Players like Rupp, and Konupka or Belanger hell isn’t Boyd Gordon a UFA?would shore up our fourth line adding some skill and a little toughness. Eric Goddard is UFA, can hurt people, but would also hurt our line up.

      In the end, we’re building our team from golatending up. We have two pretty good D prospects now in the juniors in Tinordi and Beaulieu, adding them to PK, Webber, Yemlien and Gorges we look pretty good. Starting next year we can start drafting the “bigger” forward. but, we’re pretty deep in that aspect.

      We need to be patient and wait for this team to be built, we have a lot of good pieces, if AK46 and Big Ben turn into what they should be… wow we’d look good up front.

  47. SmartDog says:

    Question: Timmins is the head of amateur scouting, but who is the head of pro scouting? After giving the thumbs up on the Gomez deal, do they still have a job?

  48. Hoegarden says:

    Gomer should talk to some of the players who spent a couple of years in Europe. Her would be a superstar over there, because of his style of play, and enjoy life like never before. I think Switzlerland or Austria would be a perfect fit for him.
    His name is on the big mug and he has moulah coming out of ears. Why not enjoy life and not have to deal with the “Montreal pressure”.
    I know I would.

  49. Mats Naslund says:

    Obviously PG would trade Gomez if he could.. but I think its more likely that Spacek gets traded. I didn’t think so a few weeks ago, but for a team that needs to bump their payroll – Spacek can be useful given that his contract expires next season. $3.83M for one season, and then next year you can take a bigger swing at a UFA when the market is deeper.

    • deimers says:

      I think this makes more sense as well. It would certainly help explain why they are trying to retain Hamrlik, who I definitely feel more comfortable with than Spacek. Hamrlik did an admirable job last year even though he was in way over his head regarding minutes played, and I commend him on his work-horse effort out there. Still, it doesn’t make sense to me to employ both him and Spacek; it’s gotta be one or the other so Weber can develop.

      I’d love to see Gomez traded as much as the next fan, but who are we going to replace him with this year? Barring a major (read: miracle) trade we’re not getting another ‘top’ centre anyways and don’t have anyone else in the system that’s quite ready imo, so why not wait until next year when he’s even easier to trade (salary drops to 4.5M I think). Maybe there will be a better C UFA available then or Eller/DD will have made the jump.

  50. Mike D says:

    FWIW my take on the Gomez-trade situation is that we won’t trade him unless we get something useful in return. That could be a player who can play 2nd line Center, or a winger decent enough to potentially play top 6 (an AK46 type), or a 4th liner faceoff/PK/gritty type of guy. If not that then maybe a pick or prospect, but I can’t see any team giving us that for Gomez with his current value being so low.

    I have a feeling PG and JM genuinely think Gomez will have a bounce back season. It certainly couldn’t be any worse than last year and with a hopefully healthy and productive Gio and Max-Pac, there is logic behind that assumption. I’m not saying he’s gonna get 80-some points, but a 60 point season is not unrealistic. Add in the fact that the FA market is very thin for top-6 Centers and forwards in general meaning we’ll have to overpay for any top-6 player and give them term to boot. Laich would be good, but he’s not worth what he’ll get this summer unless the Caps re-sign him and he takes a hometown discount.

    I think PG and JM want to hold on to Gomez so that he can build his value back up and then they will be able to get a better return next summer.

    The cap space would be great, but who are you gonna sign with it to play top-6 without overpaying and replacing one bad contract with another?

    – Honestly yours

  51. Ozmodiar says:

    If Gomez is paying attention, his 3 team no-trade list is: PHO, COL and FLA.

    The trade Gomez for ‘nothing’ scenarios won’t happen until next year when his salary is well below the cap hit. PHO, COL and FLA can reach the floor by signing free agents and/or trading for players with shorter term, slightly expensive but not awful, contracts (see Spacek).

    The only way to trade Gomez now is to take back at least 1 year of unwanted salary. Maybe it could play out if PHO wanted to trade Rozsival. They have some depth on D and have plenty of holes to fill up front.

  52. Mothstoflame says:

    We would be hard pressed to get him but imagine Brooks Laich centering Gio and patches. =)

  53. Viruk42 says:

    It’s kind of funny how many people talked about how awesome Max Pacioretty was doing before his injury, but also talk about how we need to ditch Gomez without getting anything back.

    Here’s the stats:

    Max Pacioretty played 37 games, had 14 goals, 10 assists.
    In those same 37 games, Scott Gomez had 3 goals, 21 assists.
    In the 45 games Max Pac didn’t play, Gomez had 4 goals, 10 assists.

    So let’s get rid of Gomez, right? A guy who clearly works well with Gionta (who had 15 goals in those 37 games) and Max Pac. Gionta and Max Pac scored a combined 29 goals in 37 games, while Gomez had 21 assists. Coincidence?

    (21 assists in 37 games put Gomez on pace for 46, which would have put him in the top 20 in the NHL, top 10 centers. Not bad for a piece of junk, eh?)

    So maybe we should wait until the season starts, and see how they do as a unit, before we throw Gomez away for nothing.

    • G-Man says:

      Stop making sense. Every year HIO picks its throwaway player. Gomez is the 2011 edition.

      • JayBee says:

        Yup. They have a whipping boy, want him off the team….he gets traded..plays well elsewhere and the whole fanbase is crying about it.

        Gomez is still a good player which is why I don’t want to get rid of him unless there’s a suitable replacement.

        He had a bad year last year and should be able to bounce back this year. People are all googoo gaga over Eller who had a disappointing season with 17pts but want Gomez dumped for a bag of chips. Silly

      • Chuck says:

        I think that every year the Habs should purposely sign a guy whose sole job would be to take the heat of the fans, thus deflecting it away from the guys who don’t deserve it.

        It would have to be a doughebag that Hab fans would boo incessantly, available for about 1 million. What’s Colton Orr up to?

    • punkster says:

      See now, this is exactly what’s wrong with this site; logic and facts. If you continue to use logic and facts in your comments the HI/O Negative Nellies and Realists will hunt you down like the dog you are ;)

      ***Subbang Baby!!!***

    • arcosenate says:

      Facts shmacts, you can prove anything with facts. We need more panic and shrillness here.

    • savethepuck says:

      Well said and agreed.

      “That beautiful bastard scored semi-conscious.” On the Rocket’s Game 7 game winning goal against the Bruin’s April, 1952

    • SmartDog says:

      You have to ask how important Gomez was to that equation. Out of the 3 guys on that line, I think he was the 3rd most important factor.

      And you have to ask what else you could do with 7 million. I think that DD could’ve produced as much or almost as much as Gomez, his numbers are as good – and with 6 million to spare… that’s a pretty sweet pile of change to pick up another forward or two and make all four lines stronger.

    • JF says:

      Very good post. Martin and Gauthier are no doubt aware of these figures and will expect a line of Gomez, Gionta, and Pacioretty to perform as they did last year.

      I’d love to dump Gomez’s contract, but, if we do, we’ll be demanding a lot of Eller and\or Desharnais, since we’re extremely unlikely to be able to grab another centre who could replace Gomez. If we do dump Gomez, there’s a good chance we’ll miss the playoffs altogether or, at best, be scrapping for eighth spot. Are we prepared to accept that?

  54. Trisomy 21 says:

    Great article…. The Habs CAN TRY to trade Gomez. No kidding.
    Good luck PG.

  55. BeeGee says:

    Gomez won’t be tradable to teams aiming for the cap floor until his cap hit exceeds his salary. So perhaps it could be done by the trade deadline, but I’d be in awe if it happens before.

    Also, I’d love to see all that cap space available, but who are realistic candidates for centering the 2nd line? And.. Gomez has never had so little value… does it make sense to trade him now?

  56. HabFanSince72 says:

    The Rangers will need to dump salary after they sign Brad Richards. They will also have way too many centres, and the rumour is that they are disenchanted with Brandon Dubinsky. They might also want to get rid of Marian Gaborik.

    If we ditch Gomez maybe we can help them with their cap issues again.

    • HalifaxHabs says:

      Dubinsky is one of those guys I love the hate when we play against… but if we could add him to our roster, it would be a major improvment.

      • JayBee says:

        I was hoping that was who we got when the original trade went down….I could see the call going like this.

        Sather: Hey Bob, I’m interested in McDonaugh and Higgins
        Bob: OK, we’d like a centerman
        Sather: How about Dubinsky?
        Bob: ……hold on a sec. Hey Glen, I’m not familliar with that guy. Who else do you have?
        Sather: Gomez? But I wouldn’t think you’d be interested in him..
        Bob: Done! Deal! No takebacksiesss!!! *hangs up phone*
        Sather: WTF just happened?

        *Bob and PG celebrate in unison*

        • HalifaxHabs says:

          Yeah that’s probably exactly how it happened.

          PG & BG could learn alot from you JayBee.

          • issie74 says:

            I am sure all NHL teams have Pro Scouts.

            NorthTOHab

          • JayBee says:

            Even for the koolaid sippers, how can you even defend that trade. It was simply awful, period.

          • HalifaxHabs says:

            who’s defending that trade?

            I’m just making a general statement, that cleary PG & BG could learn alot from you, based on most of your posts.

          • JayBee says:

            Thought you were being sarcastic….

          • Bill J says:

            JayBee: ? Seriously ??? IT WAS SARCASM, your imaginary trade talks between Sather & BG are crazyness.

            100% sarcasm, Everyone on the board caught it.

            BG & PG know more about hockey in their respective pinkey fingers then you will EVER know.

      • ed lopaz says:

        Dubinsky is 25, put up the same numbers as plekanec last season, had a 1.8 million cap hit, skates very well, plays with an edge, and goes hard to the net

        you think we could use a guy like that on our team instead of gomez??

        Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

    • Mike D says:

      Where did you hear they were disenchanted with Dubinsky? And why would they be? Not saying ths isn’t the case, but looking for your source as I have a hard time believing it.

      He, along with Callahan and Anisimov are some pretty good youngsters and a good 2nd line.

      – Honestly yours

      • JayBee says:

        It really doesn’t make sense. Dubinsky’s a very solid player. He does everything well and plays with a bit of an edge. What I like is he doesn’t mind dropping the gloves. Would love to have him here.

  57. twocents says:

    These are the players I hope are qualified today, the rest of the RFA’a should make way for new blood:
    Ryan White
    Benoit Pouliot
    Josh Georges
    Yannick Weber
    Matthieu Carle

    And for depth purposes I would like to keep Alex Picard

    • Mike D says:

      I’m also hoping Pics gets a two-way contract. I doubt he would get called up unless we had a LOT of injuries, but if nothing else, he’d be good person to have in Hamilton as he has adequate NHL experience and can share that with the youngsters.

      – Honestly yours

      • twocents says:

        I am not sure he can be qualified with a two-way at this point in his career. The organization can afford to pay him NHL coin for playing in the A.

        The insurance value would be worth it.

        • Mike D says:

          I thought any player could get a 2-way contract, but I could be wrong. Darche is in his early/mid 30’s and last year was his first 1-way contract.

          I also would mind the Habs keeping Mara and an extra Dman (who’d spend mist games in the press box) for insurance as well.

          – Honestly yours

          • twocents says:

            Darche was UFA, it’s different. They are totally free to sign whatever is offered.

            RFA status is more structured. I am not certain, but I believe an RFA over a certain age and with a certain amount of NHL games must be qualified with a one way contract or set free to be UFA.

    • Mothstoflame says:

      Josh gorges is an RFA, and we are not in a hurry to sign him. He WILL be back, so then i can go buy my Gorges jersey!

  58. Chuck says:

    I can’t see Gomez going to Colorado; they moved Liles to Toronto in part to get down closer to the cap floor. Adding Gomez’ cap hit doesn’t make sense.

    Regardless, even if you move him for nothing other than his cap space in return, who are you going to replace him with? We’d probably need to go the free agent route, and the only big-name centre out there is Brad Richards, whose cap space is equal to Gomez. Probably a talent upgrade, but he’d be looking for more money and longer term.

    Just looking at who’s available… Michael Nylander? Tim Connoly? Jason Arnott? Michal Handzus?

    • likehoy says:

      I’d really be interested in acquiring handzus to be our veteran centre this year and faceoff winner.

      prob between 2.5-3m

      – Gomez is holding down the “overpaid” button

    • twocents says:

      Chuck, I basically agree with you, but if it could work, I’d take Connoly for 4-4.5, over 4 years, lickety split.

      Then again, he’s been injured so much. Maybe not.

      What about move Cammaleri back to centre and grab a good winger with the cash.

      • Chuck says:

        I wouldn’t mind Connoly, either; but with so few quality centres available you’d have to be certain that you could land one of them before pushing the ‘flush’ button with Gomez. We’re already thin at that position, so I’d be hesitant to roll the dice and come up with nothing.

        • twocents says:

          Sure, so the goat has to hold the flush till after the first, I don’t think that’s much of a wrinkle.

          Whadaya think of Cammalleri back in the middle?

          • Chuck says:

            I’d prefer him on the wing, but if you could supply him with the right wingers it might be a back-up plan.

            But if your best plan is your back-up plan, that isn’t good, either. ;)

  59. JayBee says:

    This offseason will show some of the koolaid sippers that Gauthier is not the guy to take this franchise to the next level.

    Top 6 issue will not be addressed
    We won’t get a top 4 d-man (Wiz will sign elsewhere)
    We won’t address the lack of size and grit throughout the lineup

    Expect a bunch of timmid, uneventful moves…putting the team in the position to fight for the last playoff spot.

    This is the same guy who traded Selanne for frigging Jeff Friesen.

    • mrhabby says:

      we don’t have the (excluding the obvious few) players to make radical changes like the flyers did so on and so forth.

      • JayBee says:

        Precisely, and that’s because we have terribly poor asset management. You can blame PG and Gainey for that.

        With that said, good GM’s find ways to get things done. Gauthier has a lot of money. Lets see if he makes a splash or if he signs 13th forwards and 7th d-men.

        • mrhabby says:

          i am not into the blame game. its stupid. i would not say our asst management is great nor would i say its bad..its middle of the road like the 29 other teams.

          • JayBee says:

            It would really be nice to still have Guillaume, Sergei and Obyrne right now. Either they’d be able to play for us or could be packaged in a deal.

            We have nothing to show for these 3 guys who were discarded for scraps.

            Sergei was given up for nothing. We have nothing to show for that trade. So yes, I will blame managmeent. I’ll also blame them for taking one of the worst contracts in hockey and giving up a top d prospect…then having to replace that hole years later and looking to get rid of the centerman who put the hole there int he 1st place.

            Gauthier has a track record of poor moves. Why would he be any different here?

  60. mrhabby says:

    Gomez…i would not want pics. i would want somebody back. we only have pleks, eller and DD wow….were really thin down the middle with or without gomez .who we take back i have no idea..

    • JayBee says:

      You will get back a player with a bad contract and I doubt he’d be a centerman. Gomez will not get you anything of value. Period. So if Gomez is traded, PG will have to go ou there and find a centerman to replace him.

      People saying Gomez for Stastny? This is not NHL11. That will never happen.

  61. CMAC1978 says:

    As much as I want to see Gomez traded, I’m sure 95% of the people on this site do. I really don’t think that we should.

    Who is out there that can replace him? Jason Arnott? sure he’s big can produce has vet leadership and fits most of the needs that we have, he’s what 36?

    Maybe the guy is going to make a bounce back and play his heart out next year, with Max running all year with him it could prove benefical for us.

    The thing is, Campbell has a high cap hit like Gomez does, but Campbell has proven to be a producer, somewhat. where Scott has been on the decline over the past three years.

    Has anyone put thought into lending him to a European team much like the Hawks did with Huet?

    • habitual says:

      Exactly! If someone wanted to overpay for a center there are all sorts of other opportunities – and really, why would any GM want to try and reach the floor of the salary cap by taking one overpaid player, instead of having an overall strategy of getting as many decent players as possible, if slightly overpaying for them?

      It’s not a good day when HIO staff take a drink from the loonie cup.

    • NCRhabsfan says:

      Puhleese! The man scored 7 goals, didn’t win 50% of the face-offs he took, has no physical component to his game and was dreadful defensively. How can anyone be worried about who replaces him? Anyone can replace him! You would be hard pressed to find any AHL center that couldn’t replicate that pitiful performance. He is a waste of ice time and money. Eller already looks more promising than anything Gomez will give the team this year. Resign Halpern if you’re worried about depth. Use the money to get a new, solid third or fourth line center and let DD and Eller pick up the extra minutes. Anyway you slice it, dumping Gomez gives PG room to look at options Gomez’ contract has closed off to him for now. Even if it is only to secure the services of CP and PK longer term, that in and of itself would be worthwhile. Gomez is the past, and not a pretty one at that, lets move on!

  62. Yvan12 says:

    Wow, wish I could make 8 million to carry the puck up to the blue & either chip it in or trip over my feet like Gomez does. Please Gauthier, burry him in the minors

  63. Rugger says:

    I know I will get blasted, but I do not want Gomez to be traded (this year). With Max healthy, Gomez would have two potential 30+ goal scorers on his wings and will bounce back big time. I like DD & Eller but do not think they are ready this year.

    • likehoy says:

      you can’t imagine getting a better player to replace gomez? or is it more a loyalty thing that you’d rather keep gomez?

      – Gomez is holding down the “overpaid” button

      • Rugger says:

        Sure there are better, can we get them? Don’t know. I also think he will have a rebound year. Not loyalty as I never particularly cared for him before we got him or after, Just a gut feel that it will be a good one for him (mostly because of a full season of Max).

        • likehoy says:

          read my post down below. I think if there’s an option to get a better player, gomez will be moved. It’s likely he’s moved AFTER the player is signed or acquired, which has been done before.

          we only have to get below the cap by the start of the season.

          – Gomez is holding down the “overpaid” button

      • JayBee says:

        Better player like who? drop some names.

        Also, getting rid of Gomez means you will most likely have to take an equally bad contract…

        Some of you guys really need to start living in reality.

        • likehoy says:

          brad richards at the same value as gomez is already better value.
          Tomas Fleischmann may be the most ideal choice to replace gomez… 45-55 point player…czech and he avged a ppg when he was in colorado.

          Brooks laich isn’t bad, but he’s more of a goal scorer.

          Kopecky interests me.. in his first season in an offensive role he put up 42 points, but you could get him for relatively cheap (under 3m) and have room to add 1 or 2 more players. Such as Simon Gagne

          but what else could be interesting is adding kopecky, fleischmann AND Jagr, and we have team Czech lol.

          – Gomez is holding down the “overpaid” button

          • JayBee says:

            Fleishcman, Kopecky, etc…are not 2nd line centermen. I’d like Laich but as a winger.

            There’s really nothing out there unless you’re willing to take a hit this year and find a true centerman next year.

            IMO, Pleks should be #2 and Habs need to go after a legit #1 center..but of course those don’t grow on trees.

        • Hard4Habs says:

          Brad Richards, Tim Connolly, Jason Arnott, Michal Handzus, Tomas Fleischman, Brooks Laich, Tomas Kopecky, Petr Prucha, Alexandre giroux or overpay any rfa, you offer a 6M offersheet. Puts up 50 points for 2 M less = Gomez upgrade.

          • JayBee says:

            Richards is not coming here and IMO wants far too much money.
            Connolly is a good stop gap but injury prone
            Arnott would not play here….I believe it was said that he would not waive his NTC to come here.
            Laich….ok…but he will be the most coveted forward after Richards. He will get close to $5M Would you really want to spend that much on Brooks Laich?
            Kopecky is a 3rd liner
            Petr Prucha? LOL
            Giroux? LOL
            You can’t just look at points and then determine a player is better. You also can’t compare a player’s career year against a player’s worst season and then deteermine that the career year player will get better and the worst season player will get worse.

            Offer sheet? Which player would you offer sheet?

            Also, be prepared for Price and Subban to get offer sheeted next year if you pull that crap.

          • Viruk42 says:

            You do realise how many draft picks we’d have to give up for a 6mil offersheet, right? Are there any RFAs worth that many draft picks? Cause if they are, their team is going to match the offer, and if they aren’t, then we should keep the picks!

      • Hard4Habs says:

        Alexei Yashin at 3 M a year would be an upgrade to Gomez.

        • JayBee says:

          It’s always funny how easy it is to replace Gomez…yet when you ask people to drop names they can’t.

          Tell me what available 2nd line centermen can the Habs get to replace Gomez? It’s a simple question that not 1 person has answered.

          • Mike D says:

            Off the top of my head, Jason Arnott. I haven’t had a look to see who’s available but Arnott would be a good temp. replacement while Eller/DD develop. If memory serves, he’s also a bigger guy and a RH shot.

            – Honestly yours

          • HabFanSince72 says:

            Remember the old practical joke where one puts some feces in a paper bag, places it on someone’s front porch, then rings the doorbell and runs away?

            There’s one answer for you. A flaming bag of poo.

            A flaming bag of poo would be an adequate Gomez replacement.

          • issie74 says:

            Jason Arnott wsa offered a contract by the Habs comming out of the lockout. He chose Nashville.

            NorthTOHab

        • Hard4Habs says:

          I would spend 5 M on Laich if Gomer was to leave, this would give you the possibility of signing Wiz or pushing for a top 6 like or gritty bottom 6 veteran. Richards for 8 M a year over Gomez? Any day. Kopecky and Prucha on a 2nd line with Gionta and MaxPac would put up about the same numbers as Gomez IMO. And the case of Alexandre Giroux is an interesting one, at 6’3” and 210 lbs, with the numbers he’s constantly put up in the AHL, is it farfetched to think he is NHL ready? On a purely offensive line with minimum defensive responsibilities, at under a Million a year. Why not?

      • Viruk42 says:

        How would you get that better player? The trade is not going to give you one, since it’s more of a salary dump trade. So would you like to trade assets? Yes, let us give up a first round pick for a centerman we wouldn’t need if we kept Gomez for a year.

        There’s no one, other than Richards, available in the UFA market and he is unlikely to come here unless we give him Gomez’s contract. So let’s hang on to Gomez for a year, while his trade value (hopefully) increases as his remaining salary decreases. He can line up with Gionta and Pacioretty, and hopefully produce.

        It’s worth noting that when Pacioretty was called up, Gomez recorded 8 points in 5 games. He had as many points (24) as Pacioretty in the 37 games Max Pac played in, which would be on pace for 53, something that would be just below where we want him (60pts, I figure). Imagine the trio have a full season together, how much better they could be.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I know what you are saying rugger. Our team is very close, just a couple players away I believe. If indeed Gomez was to be traded an impactful centre must be coming back somehow. Eller is still too green, DD also. If we are going to replace Gomez it should be with a clearcut upgrade.

      This is not to say I wasn’t frustrated this past season by Gomez. He is a veteran who has won, he is apparantly good in the room (a very hard to judge intangible). As someone else pointed out, perhaps if Stastny were coming back the other way go for it. But not if we now count on either Eller or DD to work with Gionta and MaxPac. That combo of MaxPac/Gomez/Gio may be very successful this season.

    • NCRhabsfan says:

      Define “big time”. He’s 36 and his game is older than he is. What are we talking, 9 goals, 36 assists, -12? Are we going to be hugely optimistic and hope for 15 goals and 40 assists? It is more likely he will drag down those two potential 30-goal scores to his level rather than rising to theirs. And even if he does bounce back to get 55-60 pts, so what? At the end of the year we’ll have a mediocre multi-millionaire that will be 37 and who will never be part of a SC team in Montreal. Lets give the ice time to one of the young guys who may develop into a central piece in a future cup contender.

    • G-Man says:

      More sense on the same thread. Pretty good for a Monday. Especially the Monday before UFA Day.

  64. Hard4Habs says:

    I know I’d love to see Statsny in Mtl. And Avs could use the services of Weber. Possible trade of Gomez + Weber for Statsny make sense to anyone? Heck I’d trade Gomez for Peter Mueller if I could…or Hanzel even.

    Then we could push to sign a top 6 or start negociating with the Wis.

    • likehoy says:

      It wouldn’t change their cap problems
      stastny makes 6.6m a year, they would only improve a few hundred thousands.

      mueller is a different story cause he makes around 2.5-3m so they would increase their cap by 4-5 million by getting gomez.

      – Gomez is holding down the “overpaid” button

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Possible trade of Gomez + Weber for Statsny make sense to anyone?

      To me, yes. To the Avs, maybe not. Unless they want to tank again this year.

    • Desi says:

      I don’t think CO would ever go for that, but they might go for Gomez and Gorges for Statsny.

      I like Gorges a lot, but I’d give him up if this trade would fly.

  65. petefleet says:

    I hate to be the guy to point this out but, any centreman who can put up 30 points is a replacement for Gomer. He is a likable guy but he is not productive. His defensive work doesn’t save his ass either. Trade him for a sink full of dirty dishes if that’s all they can get. I seriously don’t see anyone giving much for him. Maybe PG can get some draft picks or a prospect, anything would be OK with me.

    ***Habs Forever***

    • HalifaxHabs says:

      exactly, all I would really want back is cap space. We can look to UFA, or look internally to fill his roster spot.

      getting an actual useful player for him might be too much to ask if anyone is willing to take on the cap hit.

  66. Rugger says:

    Do not like the sounds of the 4 division re-alignment. There are already too many teams in the Northeast alone. Toronto and one other team would need to go to the midwest and Washington to the South, leaving Mon, Bos, NYR, NYI, Philly, NJ, Buff and either Ott or Pitt in the “East” with only 4 teams making the play-offs. Last year, 5 or 6 (depending upon who stays, Ott or Pitt) made it. I have very little faith that Bettman’s gang can come up with a decent solution.

  67. Fansincebirth says:

    With respect to Muller, couldn’t we have kept him in the system by making him head coach of the Bulldogs and brought Cunneyworth up as an assistant? When JM gets the boot, we could have brought him back up as head coach…..just pondering.

    • JayBee says:

      Why? Why would he want to coach the Bulldogs when he would never ever ever ever get a chance to coach the Habs?

      If I’m him, I go outside the organization. There’s nothing beneficial about coaching in Hamilton.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Good point. Coaching the B-Dogs is as much of a path to the NHL as coaching the Milwaukee whatevers.

      One thing I don’t get is why everyone thinks Kirk Muller is a good coach. Maybe he is, but there’s an assumption on H I/O that all the good things come from Muller and all the bad from JM.

  68. likehoy says:

    there’s no point trading gomez if we’re just going to take back another bad contract (with some UFA).

    we need to trade gomez and be sure that we are able to fill the void.

    we could try a plethora of players in the 2nd line spot..desharnais, eller, pouliot, brock trotter. We could sign a player outside the organization such as flesichmann(~3.5m), richards(~6m), laich(~4m), kopecky(~2.5m).

    most likely I see Gauthier will have a deal in place if he’s able to negotiate a contract with said players. It could very well be dumping gomez in the minors if it means improving the team.

    I doubt we would trade gomez just for the sake of cap space without a player ready to play in the 2nd line. Molsons have the money to pay for the contract, it’s whether or not we can improve the team more than the money.

    – Gomez is holding down the “overpaid” button

    • JeffS says:

      If teams need to get to the cap floor they won’t likely trade back another bad contract as that move does not get them any closer to the cap floor.

  69. BeeGee says:

    If I’m not mistaken, today’s the deadline for qualifying offers… we should be set on the pouliot and pyatt situations by the end of the day I guess…

  70. Mothstoflame says:

    I would trade gomez in a heartbeat. Nothing at all against him. He even seems to handle the montreal media well. If he knocked 3 million of his contract, perfect price. Since this wont and cant happen, we should try to move him. Suitable replacements would be needed. just imagine what we could do with 7 million extra cap space. :)

  71. Garcia129 says:

    Now I’m not one of the Gomz haters, calling him out for every facial expression not deemed to be in the best interest of CH, in fact I kind of like the guy. But for the love of sweet baby Jesus, if anyone is willing to take this contract, ship him the hell out of here!!!!! We can find someone else to gain the zone on the PP (and promptly give it away).

    Then get into the B. Richards sweepstakes!!!

    In Price we Trust

  72. JayBee says:

    I’m all for moving Gomez, but you need a suitable replacement. Desharnais and Eller are not ready.

    • Bob_Sacamano says:

      A replacement for what exactly? They can´t score 7 goals, give the puck away and stay away from the net? I think both would look a lot better with MaxPac and Gionta than Gomez.

  73. HalifaxHabs says:

    Can you imagine, what an awesome shake up that would be… and I don’t care what we get back as long as we save cap dollars.

    3 things I’d like to see the Habs get done this week before free agency starts:

    1) Get Gorges contract done. It will give us a better idea of what’s left in the kitty this year and next.

    2) Get Ryan White re-signed. Just because I love the kid.

    3) Finalize the Pouliot situation. Qulaify him or trade him, or both. I’d just like to know if we are giving him one more year or not.

    I know these things don’t HAVE to be done by Friday, I’d just like them to be done by then.

  74. Tony McLean says:

    Put the champagne on ice!

    “I shall always remember Beliveau. Now there was a real captain.”

  75. HabsPEI31 says:

    We can dream, can’t we? Only problem is, we may have to take someone else’s crap contract in return. Doubtful we could get much for Gomer in the first place.

    “Only a goalie can appreciate what a goalie goes through.” – Jacques Plante


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