Canadiens camp winds down

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Another day of practice today, and HIO will be there.
The Canadiens roster is inching down toward what we will see – via the miracle of television – on opening night at the ACC.

Gabriel Dumont was a late cut on Monday and will join the Hamilton Bulldogs at their practice in Brossard.

New guy Campoli paired with Gorges

Pat Hickey on Raphael Diaz

Boone on bloated lineups

• François Gagnon thinks Brendan Gallagher might stick for a while

• Red Fisher’s Top 10: Toe Blake’s last team

No sanction for Simmonds; Bruce Arthur’s take

105 Comments

  1. slychard says:

    Awww Jesus, Campell stepped in for Shannahan to handle the long queue. Is that how it’s gonna be? Campbell may no longer be the disciplinarian but he still works in the office and still has some pull. At this stage of the season you can be strict all you want but the real test for Shanty will come during the later part of the season with teams involved in tight playoff spots ( and especially Campbell’s bruins ) and see if he remains bias and consistent. Let us hope.

    • Psycho29 says:

      From what I heard COLON Campbell is supposed to work the video replay room in Toronto this season.
      So I guess every those calls will go Boston’s way this season….

      Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

    • ClaytonM says:

      He only made the ruling on Simmonds, which was the right call anyways. It’s not like there were any hand gestures or microphones that picked up what was said, and besides, if he did use a homophobic slur, it was the heat of the moment. I’m not saying it’s right, just that it will take a generation for those comments to go away.

      As long as Campbell is sent back to his 5 martini lunches when it’s time to make a ruling on illegal hits and deliberate attempts to injure, it’s all good. Looking forward to Boston losing 50+ PGP to suspensions still.

      Ken Dryden For NHL Commissioner

  2. HabinBurlington says:

    Wrong spot. Double post.

  3. Stev.R says:

    I like how Hickey writes that it’s “very unlikely Markov will be in the season opener,” when the only actual credible information we have is PG saying it is likely he’ll be in the season opener. Whether you believe PG or not, you can’t go publishing lies based on basically nothing. Site a source Hickey

  4. HardHabits says:

    However you look at it. No amount of verbal abuse will ever be as damaging as a shot to the head. I don’t want this suspension process to be another side show circus. My hope is that by year’s end NHL hockey becomes that fast pace and exciting game, without removing the hard hitting aspect, that it should be.

    Recommended viewing: Shanahan’s explanations of his suspensions

    http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/console?catid=60

    I really hope Shanny stays on and continues with his disciplinary actions. I can’t wait to see when a Leaf or Bruin gets suspended and I hope that the Habs stay away from this kind of nonsense.

    The Wiz shot to the head of Clutterbuck was brutal.

    Further Edit: IMO no way Chara wouldn’t have gotten a suspension for his hit on Pacioretty under the new regime.

    • krob1000 says:

      I have visions down the road of guys hiding behind each other on the bench using their thumb and index finger to secretly “crush heads” Kids in the Hall style … Sid’s coming “cover me…I’m going to crush his head”….that said I prefer it to watching star after star and kid after kid get clobbered and suffer brain damage….which leads me to a question….in the NFL those big round super tight helmets must work…I see head collsions all the time that look brutal but guys get up and walk away as if nothing happened…there must be something to those things….It seems hockey helmets have a lot of flat surfaces that don’t deflect blows as well no???

      • HardHabits says:

        Part of what they’re doing is looking at the equipment as well. I am stunned by this turn around. The next thing they need to do is have better accountability for the on ice calls and refereeing. If this trend continues the NHL will be more exciting than Olympic hockey.

      • G-Man says:

        There are many concussions in the NFL. Those helmets help, but not that much. It’s the brain inside the skull that moves and it’s very hard to design something to prevent that from happening after a major collision.
        NFL players do not have the boards to contend with either. NHL players are in a fishbowl environment with no “out of bounds”. Until this season, they were working against a “disciplinarian” that didn’t care about you unless you played for the Gooins, like his son.

        • GrimJim says:

          But there is also technology that is used in the NFL helmets that isn’t used in hockey helmets. For example, didn’t the media report last week that Michael Vick was getting a teflon insert for his helmet to help absorb the impact of future hits? And I heard the Calgary Stampeders equipment manager on the radio here a few weeks back saying the pro helmets have inflatable air bladders to do the same. Hockey helmets still use foam.

    • V says:

      Love what Shanahan is doing. Long time coming.

      But for those who like fighting, look out. I can’t see how a league that moves to ban head shots out of a concern for brain damage can keep bare-knuckled brawling in their game. It just does not wash.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        If they could at least for starters get rid of the staged goon show fights that would be a huge step. The next fighting I would like to see gone, is when a team delivers a clean big hit, yet immediately the need is there to have a fight.

        While I am not a fan of fighting, if the only fighting left in the game are the ones like when Vinny and Iggy got together I would be quite accepting of that.

        • HFX-HabFan says:

          Totally agree, I hate when a guy gets jumped because he threw a perfectly clean hit. Players need to man up and learn to take a big hit without seeking immediate retribution.

          Now if it’s a dirty hit, or an attempted dirty hit, I’m all for jumping the guy who tried the dirty hit (IE White pummeling Boychuk after he tried to take out PK’s knee). But when it’s a clean hit, you answer back with a clean hit of your own. Fighting after a clean hit suggests that you can’t take the big hit.

  5. punkster says:

    I see a few comments again today regarding the quality of this site and I just wanted to chime in with my views.

    Pay to Read – Media outlets survive via profits hence they charge for subscriptions. There are simple ways for readers to get around this which have been described, daily, by posters who are far more technology savvy than me. Learn how and this issue goes away.

    Look and Feel of the Site – I view this as a personal opinion. Mine is, yes I liked the old familiar site and features. I also like the new site. I would like some of the old features ported to the new and I’ve sent my suggestions via email to the site gurus like Boone, Mio and Stubbs. Have you?

    The New Site Name – Again, a personal view. Call it Tomato Inside/Out for all I care. I know what it is and I understand that the league has its issues with trade marks so no big deal to me.

    News Appears Late Versus Other Outlets – Somebody has to be first with the news, correct or not (Marinaro, Steve Simmons, Don Cherry, Ekland, most small time blogs). The rest prefer to wait until news is confirmed. My preference is to hear facts not wild speculation and rumours. Hearing Simmons say “Chara was skating backwards…”when he hit Max, reading Ekland’s trade drivel or listening to Cherry’s sadomasochism promos gives me the creeps.

    Info Quality in Articles – Agree, though I don’t find Gazette or HI/O any better or worse than most major media organizations. Improvement required, certainly.

    Self Expression on HI/O – This one bothers most people. Immaturity, ego and just plain idiocy (as in trolls, real trolls, not just hockey trolls) are evident on every blog or site which invites comments. We either have to live with it or go elsewhere for our Habs news. It’s the interwebby thingy baby so deal with it.

    Other than that…things are cool and I tee off in about 90 minutes. Chill.

    ***Subbang Baby!!!***

  6. krob1000 says:

    Does anyone here have a kid playing hockey in the OMHA? The headshot rules are over the top…but I like it. On average in our first 7 or 8 games there are about 6 or 8 headshot infractions called per game, taller kids are at a complete disadvantage, hitters or guys being hit have to keep their hands down and they are calling it extreme….it ruins the flow of the game…BUT…I know that this being the first year (and my kid being MInor Peewee which is the first year of bodychecking being allowed),,…I know that the game is going to change moving forward…and for the better.

    These kids will not be instinctively trained to clobber anyone fom the blindside or with their head down…and if they do they will know it cannot be done with a direct blow to the head….which is fine by me.
    They are shifting the onus from the hittee to the hitter…which again is fine…the hip check is quickly resurfacing I am noticing as you know it is legal. If you think about it…guys didn’t used to wear helmets…so they never targeted the head…in a sense the onus used to be on the hitter (with personal safety in mind too)….we should be able to get back to the pre Scott Stevens era where hip checks, clean hits,etc are the norm and the head hunting is a thing of the past.

    I love what Shanny is doing as it coincides perfectly with a time where most junior and amateur, minor,etc leagues are taking hardline stances…..it at least lessens the confusion for kids watching their heroes on tv and wondering why their rules are so diff’t. I am all for Shanny and the method behind the madness that is headshots right now…and I will tell you first hand…it is madness and ruining games right now…but they will learn….and as a parent and hockey fan I am all for it….

  7. HabinBurlington says:

    Given the link above takes me to the Globe&Mail and not to Bruce Arthur’s column in the National Post I have attached.
    http://sports.nationalpost.com/2011/09/27/on-homophobia-nhl-slowly-waking-up/

    FYI not complaining just providing…

  8. krob1000 says:

    Geez erveryone…what is the big deal?Swedish or Swiss? Canadian or American?…he is a defenseman…..in the Habs organization …does his nationality really matter in an article? We know he is Swiss…the writer probably knows he is too…a simple mistake…big deal. Wow…..we need some real hockey to gripe about…and fast….it’s not like this is a permanent tattoo with a spelling mistake ..it is a simple article

  9. Thomas Le Fan says:

    Can the morons who run the NHL be taken seriously, at all. Break necks? No problem. Bad names? Will not be tolerated! WTF is the matter with these people?

  10. Thomas Le Fan says:

    Swedish defenceman? Geez Hickey, get it together. JournOlism at its finest? No wonder people believe so much nonsense these days. How are those arctic ice caps doing, by the way?

  11. Timo says:

    “All players, coaches and officials in the National Hockey League deserve the respect of their peers, and have the absolute right to function in a work environment that is free from racially or sexually-based innuendo or derision,” Colin Campbell, the league’s senior executive vice president of hockey operations, said Tuesday in a release.

    Really? Daddy Campbell is still alive and kicking?

    • avatar_58 says:

      But hey – if it’s subtle like against subban? Go for it. Just don’t use the n-word and we’re all good.

    • Cardiac says:

      So according to Colon, you can practically splatter someone’s head open all in the name of “oh boys will we boys”, but the moment someone throws a banana on the time or calls someone a fairy, oh no, no, no… what have we become???

      Talk about getting your priorities straight…

      “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
      - Jerry Maguire

    • Cardiac says:

      Take someones head off and splatter their brains all over the ice… oh well, boys will be boys!

      Throw a banana on the ice and call someone a fairy… Oh no no no, what has our game become???

      Colon Campbell, looking out for players’ interest est. 1998

      “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
      - Jerry Maguire

    • Cardiac says:

      Take someones head off and splatter their brains all over the ice… oh well, boys will be boys!

      Throw a banana on the ice and call someone a fairy… Oh no no no, what has our game become???

      Colon Campbell, looking out for players’ interest est. 1998

      “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
      - Jerry Maguire

  12. HabinBurlington says:

    http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Tim-Panaccio/Utter-Nonsense-With-Avery/2/38412

    Tim Panaccio is a regular Philly blogger who i read very regularly to get an idea what is happening in Philistine. Interesting today, he is discussing the whole Avery/Simmonds mess that was. However, he seems to completely miss out on the fact that a Flyer player Tommy Sestito started the whole mess with a completely illegal hit. Those poor Flyers, so hard done by. No matter they got rid of Carcillo they always have another idiot fresh out of their village.

  13. Old Bald Bird says:

    Four of the six links are directly about the Habs, one is about Habs history, and another is about hockey in general. Seems like a reasonable sampling to me.

    It’s the same site as it always was; the name and software change didn’t affect the content. Naughty posters and juvenile arguments have been a problem from the get go or at least since the site became popular. People need to bite their metaphorical tongues and just move on when someone is posting silliness. But they won’t; the temptation to bash, baitch, and argue for the sake of it is just too much to overcome for many.

    • Ronin says:

      Not sure where you are going with the links comment, but I didn’t scroll down very far so there may be a point I missed there…..

      As for the rest I’m afraid I too heartily agree. I read the articles and the blogs, but rarely post due to the sheer weight of juvenile stupidity I see on a daily basis….too little real discussion.

      Moderators…if you are listening….many boards have “actual” moderated discussion areas (doesn’t need to be you but can be “approved” members so it wouldn’t take up your valuable time)…the duds can post whereever whatever and a moderated board kicks out the tools and let’s the useful and interesting discussion take place.

    • PrimeTime says:

      “…since the site became popular” is the key phrase. I enjoy coming here a few times a day for updates and get my Habs fix. My complaint is when i have time to scroll through the comments to read some opinions all you get is the same guys saying the same thing everyday, “debating” with one another (as HH puts it) and polluting the site. It must be enjoyable for them but it sure can’t be for the majority.

      • Old Bald Bird says:

        I do understand. It makes me want to chime in, but then I’d be adding to the problem. I have fallen into temptation once or twice though — just a little bit.

      • HardHabits says:

        You know PT. I am a very reasonable person when approached respectfully. I know my views on tanking upset you but apart from the excessive shtick it was about driving home the idea that drafting was an oft over-looked element in the Habs organization’s past strategy of team building. It also shed light on how difficult it is for the team to build a contender when they always just make the play-offs every year. As well it was in sheer frustration that teams like Pittsburgh and Chicago built champions that way while the Habs continued their tail chasing in the middle of the pack.

        So yes, it sucks that teams can tank and rebuild on the fast track while the Habs are condemned to at the very least ice a play-off team year in and year out and don’t have the luxury of picking out of the lottery.

        As much as you might not like to admit it the whole exercise opened up a new debate here on other ways to build a contender with the Red Wings and Devils as oft cited examples. If you look at the Habs organization since then there has been much more effort put into building via the draft and into development. I’ve also dropped the tanking strategy, thanks in part to the wisdom of others here, most notably SF09.

        There is a method to my madness.

        • PrimeTime says:

          Are you saying you believe that you initiated a debate here that influenced the direct of the organization? Wow!

          • HardHabits says:

            I never made that claim. I will contend that the organization’s new direction has a had an influence in my changed my view.

            I am saying that I influenced the debate here.

  14. nutcase_j27 says:

    Since when did HIO move all articles to Gazette and then limit how many you can rread in a month?

  15. BJ says:

    I’m in agreement wth posters below. This site has gone down hill. The look and change being one issue. Secondly as Prime Time has clearly indicated below, I would ad to that, a lack of respect for various perspectives and opinions. There is to much one-upmanship. Someone expresses an opinion and it suddenly becomes personal? I don’t know if its a lack of maturity, big egos’ or just the way people express themselves now? For what its worth I use to visit several times a day, now its more like several times a week or longer.

  16. PrimeTime says:

    @HabsFanInNashville. Your right, this site has changed the past couple of years. Used to be the place to get Habs news 1st and also tidbits from the posters that added great flavor. I still like the in-depth coverage of the team, can do without the personal opinions of some writers (Red and Todd) but what has really changed is “the flavour”. You don’t read from posters anymore interested facts they learned about the team or players without having to navigate through the “full timers” here and their personal agendas and redonkulous “debates”. What I really don’t understand is why some come here to post the same opinion day after day after day thinking it’s going to change anything or their opinion will be “proven right” and all will hail thee. Very strange!

    • huge_polar_bear says:

      I totally agree with your post, but don’t you think the Habs need to get tougher and that Gomez need to be traded??? You heard it here first…

      Bazinga

    • HardHabits says:

      Never miss an opportunity to take a dig at the people who frequent this place eh, PT.

      I think you’re missing HabsFanInNashville’s point and instead piggy backing on his post to promote your agenda.

      He was talking about how HIO used to be about up to the second reporting on anything and everything Habs. Now, as he clearly states, news here is outdated. He wasn’t talking about the comments.

      You however tend to show up once a month only to categorically dismiss everyone here as not a true fan and then belittle their arguments?

      I used to come here for insights about the team from fans, because a few years ago I got fed up with the mainstream media’s perspective. Then I started reading bloggers like Robert L and after finding Habsworld.net I stumbled upon this place. Once here I found that many of the comments contained valuable tidbits and information. Not so any more. Now I come for the recipes and information on where to get the best poutine or steamie.

      Habs news? Not so much these days. But PT. You’re part of the problem. You don’t debate. You’re smug with your know it all demeanor and at many times take things personal.

      I look forward to you starting to communicate and debate with others here civilly rather than always getting on your pulpit to preach your views.

    • What an amazing bunch of projection. Can anyone on this site remember the last time, or even a single time in 3 years where PrimeTime has posted about hockey?

      http://twitter.com/andrewberkshire

  17. Marc10 says:

    Interesting read on Kuklas today…

    http://www.kuklaskorner.com/index.php/hockey/comments/how_much_rope_will_shanahan_get/

    Looks like one ‘influencial GM’ doesn’t like Shanny… I wonder who it could be?

    • --Habs-- says:

      Not sure who it is but I’ll bet is isn’t Shero of the Pens! Maybe its Chiarelli who wants Campbell reinstated after stepping down (new word for “fired”)

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I heard Scott Howson GM of Columbus this morning on sports radio, and I wouldn’t be surprised if it was him quoted either. The first time a Leaf gets suspended (if that’s possible) I think you will see Burke be very careful in his wording but will bring up that this is a contact game.

      Interesting how the NHL’s code of rules work. As in society uttering racial slurs and slurs of sexual preference are not allowed. However, often has a player been called a Motherblanker. I am not saying the latter has to go, but it is very interesting how lines in the sand are drawn in this league. Of course this is the same league that encourages player to directly approach another and beat the living snot out of the other. In fact Sports Television stations like Sportnet have their episodes of Friday night fights. This is an NHL licensed station endorsing and promoting what on the streets would be charged with assault.

      Again, I am not disputing that the slurs deemed unacceptable by the league should be unacceptable, but it is very hard to accept that the league isn’t actually being quite disingenuous as it relates to matters of human moral conduct/standards.

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      It’s a good point to raise, Shanahan may not become well-liked by a league that has been fine with ignoring player safety until now and owners may want him removed if they think his attempt to enforce the rules is hurting them.

      - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Have to believe our owner and GM in Montreal are ecstatic with the new regime.

        • SeriousFan09 says:

          Yes but the issue is what’s the balance of owners happy with Sheriff Shanahan versus unhappy? Boston can’t like the idea that their players might be held accountable for their behaviour and their scumbag owner arranged Bettman’s new contract. Burke won’t be happy the second his Truculent buffoons get a 5+ suspension.

          - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
          SF09 on Twitter

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Agree 100% Serious. When I start to see Grade A players from Boston/Philly/Toronto get suspended I will know Bettman and Shanahan are in this for the long haul. I already have intrepidation in how the Simmonds situation was handled. Why wouldn’t that be a Shanahan call? Rather they bring Colon in whenever it is a tough call and need the issue to be made fuzzier rather than more transparant.

          • Garcia129 says:

            Toronto has Grade A players?

            In Price we Trust

        • savethepuck says:

          I think this may of all stemmed from after the Chara hit on MaxP when Molson made it clear to the NHL that things had to change. Once Colie’s Boy made the decision on no suspension, people wanted a change. Well we are getting it now. I bet if someone sticks a mic in MaxP’s face, he’ll say he likes what he’s seeing in the way suspensions are being handed out.

          “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
          Carey Price

    • savethepuck says:

      I have no problem with what Shanny’s doing. I’m just wondering how long it’s going to take the idiots to realize that it’s not going to be toleratated if a player does something that could potentially end the career of another player. Why should anyone have a problem with that. Speculation as to who made the comment, but if Columbus GM, then how will he feel if he loses Nash to a career ending injury. How about if Chiarelli loses Bergeron, Krejchi, or Lucy. It’s been made clear that cheap shots will not be tolerated. The offenders just have to use their heads and play with a little respect for who they are playing against.
      I say keep throwing the book at them until they get the message, we don’t need anymore Crosby’s, Savard’s, Perron’s etc…

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Just last night Chris Neil took complete liberty in hitting Grabovski away from the puck with a shot to the head. Shanny is going to be busy for a long time before these knuckleheads get it.

    • avatar_58 says:

      Who gives a sh*t. I hope it’s Burke or the bruins GM. It’s about damn time they found a guy who has a pair and will enforce the rules.

    • Mats Naslund says:

      There is no way Shanahan cares what people thin about him.

      His mandate is to hand out punishments that protect players from careless, reckless hits that often are the cause of serious injury. His recent suspensions have already shaken many players from the previous status quo – where nobody was held accountable unless they committed the most obvious and devious of offenses.

      My guess is that it won’t be long before most of the league is playing the game in a way that is much less reckless which is fantastic. The old boys club won’t like it – and we’re already hearing the rumblings from those who benefited from loose application of the rules. Too bad So Sad!

  18. Brinkley says:

    SIAP: Any one know the (injury) status of P.K.?

  19. PrimeTime says:

    If Boone wasn’t the site master and was a member of the commentariat, do you get the feeling he would be labelled a troll?

  20. NL_habs_fan says:

    I now have to pay to read a gazette article???

    I used to like this site. . . . well actually I used to like HABSinsideout.com

    • Brinkley says:

      If you have trouble logging into a Gazette article it will likely appear in ‘faceoff.com’.

    • HabsFanInNashville says:

      This site has gone downhill since the change. The motto should be changed to “Absolutely everything about the Montreal Canadiens…about 6 hours after you heard it elsewhere”.

      This used to be my first stop each time I got on the internet.Now I am asking myself what the point of even visiting the site is; the “news” is badly outdated, and now you have to pay to read an article? Um, no thanks. Can’t see myself stopping by much longer, but I’m sure that HIO will continue to trot out their marketing stats about how the site is growing, despite using every cheap tactic to inflate those numbers…

    • savethepuck says:

      Simply clear your browser history and that subscription won’t pop up again for a while.

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

  21. jo_maka says:

    So………Diaz is swedish now…….missed that memo, Pat. Thanks.
    Not only we will give him the ticket for Hamilton, but bundled up with a brand new passport. The Habs are so generous :)
    _________________________________
    Open-mindedness is not a skull fracture

    • Cardiac says:

      From the Campoli article:
      The No. 3 pair had veteran Jaroslav Spacek alongside Swiss newcomer Raphael Diaz…

      and from the Diaz article:
      And then there’s Swedish defenceman Raphael Diaz…

      Both articles written by the same person… They are actually charging people to read this rubbish???

      “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
      - Jerry Maguire

  22. DadidolizedDougHarvey says:

    P.K. Subban should just keep on being P.K. Subban. Boring old farts like me have no right to tell him to tone it down.

    • habsfan reduxit says:

      … I absolutely agree. Everyone should let him be who he is, colour and/or age notwithstanding.

      “Whenever you have the puck, and don’t know what to do with it, put it in the net.” – Toe Blake

    • avatar_58 says:

      He’s challenged my raging Price boner for top spot. I just don’t understand how someone could hate the guy

  23. Sharks9 says:

    Campoli is 6 feet 190 pounds. Not huge, but he’s not a shrimp either.

    25 before 14


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