Camp … and more

P.K. Subban says he’ll have to earn his spot on the roster – Dave Stubbs

• Pat Hickey on Max Pacioretty and Ben Maxwell, facing long odds of making the team

Red Fisher thinks the players should pick their captain

• Will P.K. join the Canadiens’ list of Rookie All-Stars?

• The Gazette’s Don Macpherson on the Canadiens and francophone players

• Not hockey, but our man Stubbs has a nice feature on a Terry Fox fundraiser

Last shot for tryout goalies

Sheldon Souray not welcome at Oilers’ camp

• Roberto Luongo surrenders the C

Goodbye Columbus? Jackets’ tickets tank

• Damien Cox on the Kovalchuk penalty

Réjean Tremblay’s rebuttal to Yves Boisvert

90 Comments

  1. otter649 says:

    Jason Spezza misses playing against Souray……lol

  2. alestar says:

    I loved Souray when he played for the Habs, but aside from being made of glass, he takes the dumb penalties at the worst of times. My buddy is an Oilers season ticket holder and he basically summarized Shelly as “a broken down penalty pylon”…we’d be better off re-signing MAB!

    XXIV…and counting

  3. G-Man says:

    Have the Avs won a Cup without Roy?

  4. G-Man says:

    Pacioretty believes he is top 6 material- he is at his best a 3rd liner.

    Souray is a pylon that has been run over by too many truck wheels to be of any use.

    Souray would be more embarrassing than being pushed around a bit.

  5. scrowe21 says:

    I was also hoping Max Pac would have a better chance at making the team this year but hes probably better off playing more minutes in Hamilton for one more year..I just hope they dont trade him or give up on him.

    Id rather let O’byrne develop more then have Souray get injured as soon as he throws a punch.

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  6. Mattyleg says:

    So Dave Stubbs put me straight on the fact that players have always voted for the captain on the Canadiens (with the possible exception of Gainey), but it would be cool to find out how the other teams in the NHL do the captain-picking.

    Are there teams that ALWAYS have management do it?

    Are there teams that NEVER have management do it?

    I’d be curious to know.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  7. Mattyleg says:

    Huh! That’s cool. Wasn’t aware of that.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  8. HabFanSince72 says:

    The whole point of pro sports is to extort public money from politicians afraid of losing votes.

    You think those 24 American NHL owners are all hockey fans?

  9. Chorske says:

    HELL no. Crazy. Mad.

    You think Souray is worth AK and Hamrlik?! I wouldn’t even make that trade when Souray was in his prime. Which, by the way, is behind him.

    Hamrlik logged responsible, effective, superhero minutes for us last year. Souray had a hard shot, and some points, and… uh… yeah, defensively he was a disaster and certainly not an enforcer (at any rate I question the wisdom of asking a guy who is worth 10% of your payroll to get into fights).

    You haven’t been paying attention to AK. On most nights, he is better than any of the guys you list. He is not playing to full potential, but even a half-asleep AK is better than Max Pac.

  10. Chuck says:

    Now where have I seen that avatar before…?    🙂

  11. Hobie Hansen says:

    In regards to a couple of the above articles; in my perfect world Pacioretty and Souray would both be playing for the Montreal Canadiens this season.

     

    I know that Souray’s contract is absolutely ridiculous and I’m glad we don’t have any part of it, but it was nice having him there to protect some of our star players, not to mention having the best blue-line shot in the NHL.

     

    I know the final score is what counts most, but it sure gets embarrassing when the Leafs and Bruins push us around and we can’t do a thing about it.

     

    And Pacioretty sort of fits in to that topic as well. I’m keeping my fingers crossed that his big frame will one day consistently score 20 goals and bang some bodies around for us in the process.

  12. mtl8 says:

    Question:  Seeing Souray’s situation, would anyone do a Souray for Hamrlik straight up?  or, seeing the Oil’s cap space, maybe unload some addtional salary in the form of AK and Hammer for Souray and prospect/draft pick?

    It would probably help the PP more than MAB did and not hurt as much on D.  We’re losing Hammer next season anyway…Also, on most nights, AK might easily be substituted for a Pouliot/Eller/MaxPac/Maxwell.

  13. ZepFan2 says:

    Lol I agree.

    They’ll also use Roy as the reason the Nords/Avs won the cup. It took a Francophone to win the cup, they’ll say.

    Still sounds like insecurity to me.

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    After admiring the Stanley Cup: “This is the only thing that has seen more parties than us.”
    – Steven Tyler

  14. forskis says:

    I really do not see the reason why there needs to be government funding…if owning a sports team is a generally considered a rich man’s toy, Peladeau has more than enough money to build it himself, he has enough good credit to borrow the money if he does not want to use his cash up and as the one and only builder, he can claim as much from concessions as he wants and does not need to deal with partners or government share or whatever arrangements are possible.  Plus he can set up the terms on how to integrate it into his empire and recoup his money at a very reasonable rate over time.

    If I recall correctly, at one point, the provincial government promised money for an Expos stadium in the form of a loan to be paid back over 20 years with interest.  If that is the case, at least the government gets their money back and some more (not including the effects of inflation, of course)…that would be an arrangement I think agreeable to all because the money will be paid back instead of given away.

    “I am guilty of using elipses…”

  15. riazp says:

    *cringe* i had a nightmare about that

  16. forskis says:

    They may say that the first time around was not done properly and thus the lack of success during several of those years.

    “I am guilty of using elipses…”

  17. forskis says:

    Plenty of idiots in TO…expect these idiots are just annoying and not anger-producing….annoying can be dealt with or tolerated.

    “I am guilty of using elipses…”

  18. Rudy says:

    I live in D-dot C-dot now. Definitely lots of idiots. But my kids go to English schools, we have English doctors and can go to any hospital regardless of where we live, or the language we speak. Both kids are in French down here, by choice.

    Like the other guy said, this just gets me irrationally angry.

    Can’t wait for the golf tourney coverage 🙂

     

  19. thorandresson says:

    I’ve been looking around the web through the various journalists and bloggers who cover the Habs for an article that shows their thoughts on the players at camp, and I only found one by Matthias Brunet.  There was a lot of coverage on PG’s press talk in which he didn’t really say that much.

     

    By the way he says he was very impressed with Avtsin and Tinordi.

     

    Speaking of PG’s press talk, he mentioned a few times that Larry Carrierre seems to focus a lot on defensemen, will be interesting how he changes the look of the Habs D in the coming years.

  20. ZepFan2 says:
    “That’s
    why Quebecers wanted a second National Hockey League team in Quebec
    City, so that “we’ll have a team that will be our team, that will
    resemble us
    .”

    Ah, the, us vs them syndrome.

    From 1971 to 1991 the Nords had 11 – 1st round picks. Only one Francophone was picked (Goulet).

    Of their top ten franchise players, only 2 are Francophone (Goulet and Alain Cote).

    So who exactly are the “us” in this equation,  Europeans and English North Americans?

    Tinfoil tuque…I love it!

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    After admiring the Stanley Cup: “This is the only thing that has seen more parties than us.”
    – Steven Tyler

  21. riazp says:

    Wow am I ever sick of all this anglo/franco stuff. Its hockey, not a political statement. The canadiens want to build a winning hockey team, not a team that will please the pq. I personally dont think francos will be complaining if the Habs win a cup with no francophone players on the team, as long as the team is proud to wear the CH. I dont care if your english french russian or italian/jewish…put the puck in the net, win games and bring home a cup…Thats what i want from my team.

     

  22. nick says:

    The best part about all this… My tax dollars are paying his salary… while he looks after my anglophone interests. I think thats all I’ll say on the subject… Heh – this just makes me irrationally angry.

  23. sprague cleghorn says:

    Pierre Turgeon?

  24. sprague cleghorn says:

    All true, but the trophy for worst GM must be named after Mike Millbury.

  25. SeriousFan09 says:

    Yet still people are ready for vote for PQ… it astounds me the xenophobic madmen they put in that party and people still vote for them.

     

    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  26. OneTimer says:

    There’s always going to be idiots everywhere. Have you not found any in T-Dot?

  27. otter649 says:

    Souray got lucky when he signed with The Oilers because he did not sign until almost two weeks into July and still got a great contract as usually the farther you get away from July 01 the lower the contract (with Kovalchuk being an exception) but The Oilers (Kevin Lowe) were desperate to get a high profile player & had to over pay and it was a good spin that Souray signed with Edmonton to be close to home if that was the case he would have signed sooner but it appeared (according to rumours) he wanted to sign with a California team to be closer to his daughter(s)? but had no takers………….

  28. Rudy says:

    I have already printed it out. When my kids ask me why I moved them from Montreal, THIS nonsense wasn’t a reason we left, but it is definitely a big reason why we haven’t gone back. Pathetic.

  29. RGM says:

    Some, but probably not too many. Kovy’s agent dithered in the hopes of getting more out of the Habs, who had to move quickly that date and we ended up getting Cammalleri & Gionta and the rest. Komisarek simply followed the money and boy has that ever worked out well for both sides.

    For me, I was a little disappointed about the Kovalev thing but it wasn’t really his doing – his agent played the field and got the most for his client, which is his job. Komisarek, though, man did I ever give a glare of death to the TV when I saw that news.

    —————————————– Josh Gorges for Captain!

  30. Jordio-oh says:

    According to Robert L:  “it has been the Canadiens players themselves who vote for the team captain. One exception was made in 1982 when the GM Irving Grundman, unwilling to take any chances, broke tradition and named Bob Gainey as team leader.”

    http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/2009/4/2/819730/the-revolving-door-of-the-1990s

  31. Fant-HAB-ulous says:

    I am completly bothered by it. It is so backwards in thought and logic that I can’t believe he hasn’t had to resign. I hate that people like Curzi are given a platform to spread hate.

  32. Mark C says:

    I think Hammer got $100K more per year, but his contract had one less year, which is looming very large at the moment. BG did well to draw the line with Souray and move on to plan B, thank goodness plan B worked out better than plan A.

  33. Jordio-oh says:

    Yeah i think the habs ended up signing Hamrlik to the identical contract they offered to Souray, once they realized they weren’t going to get him.

  34. Chorske says:

    The comparison with the MSO is ridiculous. The MSO is not a for-profit enterprise- the musicians get paid peanuts given their level or training and ability- Tremblay makes a big deal about Nagano’s 1 million, but that is an effing entry level contract after bonuses in the NHL. A hockey team exists to make money- to turn players into millionaires and owners into multimillionaires. And any tax subsidy would be mostly benecificial to one person: the team owner. Now, if Quebec goes the Green Bay route, I would say, oK, yeah, MAYBE there is some public benefit there. But if the team is privately owned? Forget it, might as well dump a billion bucks into Pierre-Karl’s pocket.

    Lastly, as I said the other day, the Nords never were the Great Blue Hope for the Quebec people. Heck, the best guys on that team in their NHL phase were Sakic, Sundin, and the Stastnys. And Forsberg! Ricci! The best years of that club were not the Goulet or Tardif years, something the pure laine types keep forgetting.

  35. Aerobiz says:

    Regarding the Don Macpherson artical: How is it that a man (and I use that term loosely) like Pierre Curzi is not arrested and charged for hate speech?

     

    I’m glad that Macpherson called Curzi out for what he is and echoed some of my own feelings about what a team in Quebec City would turn into, but unfortunately that kind of truth will have no impact until it starts to come from the francophone popluation.

     

    “The brick walls are not there to keep us out. The brick walls are there to give us a chance to show how badly we want something.”- Randy Pausch

  36. 24 Cups says:

    C – Some Hab fans also forget that G&G offered contracts to Kovalev and Komisarek before they signed elsewhere.

  37. SeriousFan09 says:

    Wasn’t Gainey named captain of the team by the coach for his tenure?

     

    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  38. nick says:

    Anyone  else bothered by how racist Curzi’s comments are? I mean this guy is part of the National Assembly… Suggesting less access to health care for english speaking Quebecers?!

    I feel like I’m living in the 1940’s.

  39. Say Ash says:

    Sutter looks like a promising up and comer, though.

  40. Clay4bc says:

    I agree with most of your point…but, the habs actually tried to sign Souray…I believe he went to the Oilers for the same money that we offered him – he just wanted to play closer to home.

    Huge case of mismanagement by the Oil, though…and classless as well. Makes them look really mickey mouse.

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  41. HabFanSince72 says:

    Kevin Lowe may well have been the worst GM in the league. At any rate, tied with Glen Sather.

  42. HabFanSince72 says:

    I don’t think the issue is to subsidize or not.

    It is (1) the amount ($400M) and (2) the fact that pro sports like the NHL make thie rmoney essentially by extorting money from public officials (hello Glendale City Council).

    I don’t think many people whould have any problem with something like an interest free loan to be repaid over 20 years, or a tax break, or the like.

  43. forskis says:

    Well…Curzi is jumping at shadows…evil federalist plots everywhere countered by evil separatist plots everywhere.  Whenever the language/culture and hockey issue comes up, the interviewers always go to the non-Quebecer players for their opinions, I would think the hometown players’ opinions would be more poignant and can be spun more.

    “I am guilty of using elipses…”

  44. Dave Stubbs says:

    Saku Koivu was voted captain by his teammates. This will be the first time perhaps in the history of the franchise that the captain has been named by management, save the rare occasions when the C went temporarily to a player in time of injury.

    Dave Stubbs
    Habs Inside/Out
    Sports Columnist/Feature Writer, Montreal Gazette
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  45. j2w4habs25 says:

    Maxime Lap for “C”

  46. RGM says:

    All too true. Just a bad romance all around with this one.

    —————————————– Josh Gorges for Captain!

  47. j2w4habs25 says:

    yeah I was reading it and it was weird to me they even posted that.

  48. Mattyleg says:

    Yeah, I don’t know when the decision shifted to the management.

    Or why. I guess it has to do with “global overviews” of the team or “market strategy” or “another BS piece of management-speak tripe”

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  49. Mattyleg says:

    I’m with HFS72 and finding myself bemusedly agreeing with Réjean Tremblay (even a stopped watch tells the right time twice a day…)

    He makes good points about the sorts of things subsidized by federal, provincial and municipal money. Which is what I was trying to say (in a hamfisted roundabout way) a while back when people were talking about hospitals.

    All’s I’m saying is it’s a good argument.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  50. Mattyleg says:

    Sadly, the Oilers didn’t do their homework AGAIN on this one… we all knew that Souray, for all his strengths, is a walking hospital ward. Which is why we didn’t sign him (money came into it too, yeah, but even still) and now it looks like management are trying to hang him out to dry for their own lack of judgement.

    Souray didn’t help himself either when he said that he wanted a trade, so he’s sucking up some of his own bad karma too.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  51. Fant-HAB-ulous says:

    That Gazette article that outlines Curzi’s CRAZY makes me pure mad. There are too many English people in Montreal? The Candiens are a Federalist team? Can he get more primitive in his ideologies? I hate that people give him a microphone. This is exactly why I don’t want a team in Quebec, it won’t be good for hockey, it will become a political weapon.

  52. derfab says:

    Could be. I think the Oilers are being unwise to not have him in camp though. Injuries happen, scouts are present. Who will want him if they can’t see him in action? They would seem to be just undermining whatever value he may have, hoping he walks away.

  53. derfab says:

    No one has come close to Orr, who was a dominant player at 18.  Though I’m hoping he can be spectacular, I’d be happy if he turned out to be as good as Eric Desjardins turned out to be with Philly. 

  54. RGM says:

    That pretty much locks it in for Souray’s fall from grace. It’s not his fault that the Oilers paid him an obscene contract and he couldn’t live up to it, but you have to wonder what his future holds. Maybe he’ll end up over in Europe like Huet? He did have a pretty decent year with Farjestad in the Swedish Elite League during the NHL lockout year.

    —————————————– Josh Gorges for Captain!

  55. RGM says:

    I would say no, they did not pull an Eddy Guerrero and cheat to win. The reason the Hawks went over the cap was primarily (but not solely) due to the bonuses that were built into the entry-level contracts for Toews and Kane. Those deals were negotiated in good faith. The UFA-level contracts handed out to Versteeg et al. were done in good faith, but had to happen due to the incompetence of a GM now down in Florida because he didn’t file the paperwork to submit qualifying offers. The latter pushed the Hawks up to the brink of the cap, but they were still within the rules. Bonuses pushed them over the top.

     The Devils and Kovalchuk clearly sought to circumvent the salary cap with that obscene 17-year contract – that’s not negotiated in good faith vis-a-vis the CBA. It has also pushed them over the $59.4M cap that’s in place to start the season, so they’ll also have to dump a contract or two to get back under the limit or they’re going to be in further trouble.

    The Hawks have already been punished in the form of having their cap for 2010-11 lowered by the same dollar amount that they exceeded it for the 2009-10 payroll. Unlike most of the rest of the NHL they’re presently playing with a cap that’s in the $55M range for actual salaries.

    —————————————– Josh Gorges for Captain!

  56. derfab says:

    Though I have no idea, I am hoping that it somehow turns out to be Markov because I’m guessing the team will rally around him, though I think Gomez has earned some stripes and become a strong second choice.

  57. Ian Cobb says:

    Wow.! PK is the talk of the town already.!

    I
    told you on here how good and well rounded this kid was three years
    ago. I had said he was a Bobby Orr and a Brad Park rolled up in one. I
    still think that, but I am getting a little nervous for him getting all
    this attention without putting in a season in this league yet.

    Don’t
    forget, he is still a young kid yet. Mistakes will be made, just be
    ready to enjoy the progress. That goes for Carry Price also. By the end
    of the regular season they will both arrive as more seasoned pros’s.

  58. habinypsi says:

    I gotta say that if the captain turns out to be Gionta or Georges or Markov or Cami or Gomez or Gill, Ill be happy.  I also think that if any of those players are chosen most people here “except trolls” will also be fine with it.  But the waiting is the killer. Also wow who would have thought the options for Capt would include 3 yanks.

     

  59. PrimeTime says:

    So with the NHL penalizing the Devils for the circumventing the spirit of the CBA, is it safe to assume that the Hawks “cheated” in winning the Cup with similar contracts on their roster???……………………………….

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  60. mchab33 says:

    I don’t always agree with Red but I can’t find an arguement against letting the players decide the captain.  No one has a pulse on the team and who their leader should be like the players themselves (IMO)


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