Busy week begins

Calgary Flames v Montreal Canadiens

Rookie camp opens Monday afternoon in Brossard.
The Canadiens annnual golf tournament tees off Wednesday morning at the posh Laval-sur-le-Lac club.
Thursday is an off day, then training camp starts Friday.


At last.

HIO will be at rookie camp. Check back for late-day updates.

Red Fisher on the hockey family reaching out

Boone’s debut sports column

Season can’t start soon enough

Globe & Mail assesses Canadian teams

Michäel Bournival: five goals already

HabsWorld on prospects

Hab fever at the Toronto Film Festival

Doughty rejects latest Kings offer

Some deep goaltending stats

Dennis Kane on the great 1978 season

Today’s pump-up video:


  1. Un Canadien errant says:

    The only two reasons I can come up with is for Drew Doughty turning down the Kings’ contract offer is that either he wants to force his way out, which is not supported by any evidence, or that he must be asking for it to be so front loaded that the team is balking. With a lockout looming next season, he might be asking for a huge signing bonus this season, that would pay him two or three years’ worth this season and comparatively little over the next two seasons.

    How about it NHL? No fighting, just hockey?


  2. Bripro says:

    On the rules (re:Marc Savard) for having a player’s name engraved on the cup, from NHL.com:
    Prior to 1977 only players who had completed the Stanley Cup playoffs were eligible. Today, players appearing in 41 regular-season games or one Stanley Cup Final game for the championship team have their names engraved on the Cup. Since 1994, the NHL makes exceptions for players who do not meet the standard because of injury or other extenuating circumstances.

  3. Old Bald Bird says:

    From Engels: “Marc Savard remains sidelined by concussion issues– and it’s been announced he will miss the entirety of the 2011-12 season. Though his salary counts against the Bruins cap, they do have the flexibility to replace him on the roster with a player(s) of lesser or equal value (in terms of salary) without penalty. “

    Put me down as one guy who didn’t know this is how it works. I thought an injury was cap space right off the books. But you have to replace him to get that releif?

  4. habs-hampton says:

    On the Mac Savard discussion… Didn’t Cam Connor score an overtime winner in the semi-finals in the late ’70s, but didn’t play a game in the finals, so no name on the cup?

    I could be wrong, but if this is correct, then how can Savard be on the cup?

  5. On the Poutine topic, there’s a little restaurent here in south Florida that was opened up by a couple from Quebec called the Dairy Belle, and the food is out of this world. Great poutine, milkshakes, burgers ect. I highly recomend if you’re ever in Florida for vacation.



    • shiram says:

      So how are the curds?

      If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

      • awesome man. this place is a must if you want a taste of Quebec while in Florida. I’d eat there every day if I was closer.

        • shiram says:

          I’ve already been to Disney, and I’m not old enough to be a snowbird, but it’s cool to hear poutine is spreading over the globe.
          My sister saw a poutine stand while visiting Vietnam, but it was not great poutine.

          If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

          • Wow, Vietnam. Thats crazy.

          • HabFanSince72 says:

            It’s all the rage in Tokyo.

          • shiram says:

            I can believe that, it seems alot of Asian countries really like the North American culture.

            If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

          • clubdehockey says:

            In Melbourne, there’s a fries chain called Lord of the Fries (about 4 locations, all in Melbourne) that serves all vegetarian food including veggie dogs, veggieburgers, and of course a long list of different types of fries. One item on the list is called The French Canadian, and it is basically French fries with vegetarian gravy and mozzarella cheese. Not real poutine, but if you have a craving while in Australia, it was still very tasty. The dogs and burgers were also excellent.

          • shiram says:

            If it’s not curds it’s not poutine, more like disco fries if it uses mozzarella.

            If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

          • clubdehockey says:

            Hence “Not real poutine, but if you have a craving while in Australia, it was still very tasty.” 😛 It was the closest thing I found to poutine during my brief stint in that part of the world, though. Also, as a vegetarian, it was definitely a most welcome treat!

      • LA Loyalist says:

        not well. Since the iraq war they are getting a lot of hostility from turks and the western border of turkey is in dispute. On the upside, the curds have their own oil and a fairly advanced culture compared to the rest of… what? Not those curds? Oh crap… sorry…

  6. Bripro says:

    You can’t tell me that Sean Burke should be on a high-ranking goalie list that doesn’t include Ken Dryden. I think they need to modify their criteria.
    As for the T.O. festival, I had found Keira Knightley overrated in the Pirates movies, but she’s in my books now. She could put on a few pounds though.

    • eff that noise, the winner is the thinner

    • shiram says:

      Kiera had no clue about the Habs, it’s Viggo that got her to put on the Habs jersey to annoy their director.

      If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

    • Natrous says:

      We all love Ken Dryden for what he did for the Habs, but if you actually read how the list is assembled, it’s based on goalies who won games for teams. Next, read Dryden’s ‘The Game’ and realize how little he had to actually do to win games on the teams he played for. If anything, this list is the only way Burke’s name appears on the same sheet as Roy.

      • Bripro says:

        You’re right. An oversight on my behalf. And I did read The Game. In my opinion, the best book on hockey. And as always, Dryden is very humble in his view of his performance, always gracing his team. But if you saw him play…..unbelievable. In an era where the butterfly didn’t exist, and standing on stilts, he was simply amazing. Personally, he’s the best goalie I’ve ever seen, and they’ve won 14 cups in my lifetime (although I vaguely remember the victories when I was a newborn, and 1, and not much more when I was 5 and 6 years old.)

      • savethepuck says:

        Ken Dryden is far too humble. There has never been a better goaltender at being able to follow the play for 10 minutes at a time without a shot, only to then stop a breakaway. One of the hardest things for a goaltender to do is to watch the other goalie getting peppered with shots while you do nothing. It is a rare gift to be able to maintain your concentration and focus on the puck in fear that when the puck finally comes in to your end, you will let 1 in and be the goat. Dryden was great at at. Although not always busy, he made the big saves when called upon.

  7. HabFanSince72 says:

    OK, since there’s no hockey news and the poutine debate has run its course (I still say Frite Alors for regular poutine and Au Pied de Cochon for out of this world), how about best Portuguese grilled chicken. Chez Doval, Portugalia or Romados?

    For me its Portugalia (Clark and Rachel) which has maybe the best chicken I’ve ever tasted, although there’s a bistro in Paris that supposedly has the best in the world but I’ve never eaten there. The problem is you need to order a good 60 min in advance. Romados (De Bullion and Rachel) is a good backup option.

  8. Chuck says:

    Apparently Marc Savard’s name will be inscribed on the Cup. It this the right thing to do?

    • JD_ says:

      Given we don’t live in a world of absolutes, and notin’ there’s all sorts of room for discretion when it comes to this stuff, it doesn’t seem the wrong thing to do.

      In particular for a talented player whose career was cut way short.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      I understand why they are doing it but I don’t agree with it. Reason being why not put a players names on it that were traded half way through the season. They would have played more games than Savard did.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Normally I would say this is the right thing to do. However, given it involves the Bruins and this is another example of special dispensation to the Bruins organization from NHL Head Office, I am completely against it. Sorry Mr. Savard, nothing personal but I hate the Bruins, and hate even more that Gary Bettman is often seen under the desk of Jeremy Jacobs.

      Also, doe this then mean that Richard Peddie will now get his name on the cup if the Leafs ever win it, even if it is Year 2067?

      • Kooch7800 says:

        +1 – Totally agree

        He was taken out by a cheap shot and I do feel bad for him but he shouldn’t have his name on the cup.

        This is just all for PR

      • Timo says:

        I don’t feel bad for any bruins out there. They get what they give. As for Savards name on the cup… couldn’t care less. He knows that he had nothing to do with it, so does everybody else. The fact that his name is on it won’t change the fact that he contributed nothing to getting that cup. Daddy Colin did, but not Savard.

        • Kooch7800 says:

          I have no problem with Savard or Bergeron for that matter. Yes, they are on a goon team but I have never seen either player cheap shot anyone on purpose and they don’t yip to the media either.

          I have met Savard a few times and he seems like a decent guy and I wouldn’t wish what happened to him on anyone

    • shiram says:

      So his name will be on the cup, but he did not experience the playoff runs, the emotion, fatigue etc along with the experience.
      So yea his name’s on the Cup, but he did not live it.
      I don’t think his name should be on there…

      If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

    • Bripro says:

      If it was Marchand, I’d say let him rot. But seriously, Savard is a classy individual. And the circumstances are unusual.
      I know this is not acceptance criteria, but had the Pens won the cup, should Sid the Kid’s name appear on it?
      He’s a contributing player to the Stanley Cup winning team (I’m going through convulsions writing this), so it’s simply a question of due respect. Let him have his moment. It doesn’t change things in the grand scheme.

  9. JD_ says:

    Good stuff on Michael Bournival. At 19 years old, 6′, 190lbs, left-shootin’ center, and off to a torrid start with the Shawinigan Cataractes. Huge work ethic, projected as a third- or second-line center with a strong two-way game.

    As it stands, a good depth move by PG. I liked OB and thought he had a great attitude – the anti-Guimauve of exit interviews – but can’t say the Habs’d be better of with him on the roster.

    Les Glaucomes de Joliette?

    I didn’t read the Kukla’s Corner link on goaltendin’ stats, and therefore didn’t take the time to interpret what career Goaltendin’ Point Shares (GPS) means, I just noticed Patrick Roy was #1 all-time, so it’s pretty clear to me that the article must be 100% bang on.

    The Grope & Flail’s piece on Canada’s eastern teams isn’t really news to anyone around here, just a broad-brush overview for mass consumption. I get that. What I don’t get is this summary statement regardin’ the Sens’ outlook: “They could surprise and do well, or could all go horribly wrong and end up with decent odds in the Nail Yakupov sweepstakes.” Awkward syntax aside, my read on this is things will be good if they’re good and bad if they’re bad.

    When did Red start writin’ season projections for the G&F?

    Yakupov will wear jersey #10 for the Sens next season.

    And the G&F story’s picture is Halak in a Habs uni, you know, “Halak who?” ‘n’ all that witty stuff, like referrin’ to the vacuum cleaner as a hoover.

    Man, I can’t believe the Kings have such a spoiled jerkoff on their roster.

    But I’m not hear to talk about Mike Richards. The Drew Doughty saga is interestin’ but just smacks of brinkmanship by Don “Brinkmanship” Meehan. My money’s on a one-year deal, just to let the dust settle. Meehan or not – who had Nabokov hold out on Lombardi in San Jose – I can’t believe Doughty will hold out. Imaginary Deity help us all if Poindexter Bentley has an epic season.

    Congrats Mike Boone on yer broken Gazette Sports Section cherry.

    And as a father of three, the return of B.C.’s three year-old Kienan Hebert to his otherwordly relieved parents is the right kind of story to end an otherwise very wrong week.

  10. Mattyleg says:

    Hey there all, been away for a while; new job started up.
    Missed Habs tix again… gutted. Have to spend a bunch to get myself to the Bell again this year.

    Something I just read to add to the ever-increasing pile of head-injury evidence: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/story/2011/09/12/quebec-bishops-football-player-brain-injury.html

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  11. In other news


    yeah we like to rag on the devils for having no fanbase but i didnt realize it had gotten THIS bad

    holy caca

  12. habaddict_andy says:

    I was getting pumped watching the video until I saw 2 goals by Lapierre. Lapierre’s been gone for awhile and there were no other scorers available?

    But I still like to watch any Habs video Though.

    Go! Hockey! Go!

  13. Timo says:

    Still pissed off for not getting 2 tix for the laffs game, with ton of them available at StubHub. (save it Punkster!)

  14. shiram says:

    Bought tickets to an Habs game, will be the first time I see hockey at the Bell Center, they are crappy Molson Ex Zone, against a crappy Panthers team, but they are Habs tickets.

    Went to Patati-Patata, there was a line once again, so I’m losing hope on this one, 3rd try, and no luck.
    Went to Ma’am Bolduc instead, and it ranks below Chez Claudette, but better than the Banquise.

    Ma’am Bolduc has a nice place, good ambiance, and a nice “terrace” to eat outside. The menu are great and there seems to be alot of great stuff there too. I went with the poutine, and my budd the pepper sauce poutine.
    Small is 9$ and big is 12$. I could not finish mine, though I got the big one.
    Fries are great, but I prefer mine a bit sweeter, they we’re nice and golden. Sauce was alright, but not as thick as I like. Cheese was better than Chez Claudette, it seems like it was fresher.
    Overall a good experience and a better decoration and ambience than Chez Claudette.

    If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Banquise had about 50 people in line at 8pm last night!

      • shiram says:

        Well they are the most talked about poutine place in town for sure, and it’s not that it’s bad poutine, it just was not top for me. I will go there again to make sure my reviews are correct.

        If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

        • HabinBurlington says:

          So I have never been a big Poutine fan, of course there is virtually no good poutine served in GTA, or more specifically Burlington/Oakville.

          But after reading all your reviews, I think I will be having poutine at Summit! Enjoy reading it, thanks.

          • shiram says:

            Poutine is not for everyone, that’s for sure, it’s hard on the stomach too! But I’d definately try either of Chez Claudette or Ma’am Bolduc, if you get the chance, I gotta say I’m quite happy in having found those place.

            If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

          • 5 guys fries, bell pro cheese, saint hubert sauce… i wanna make it happen

          • shiram says:

            Neber went to 5 guys, always thought they we’re only in the USA, but there’s one on Mcgill apparently.

            If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

          • theres also one beside the habs practice facility in brossard (i saw maxpac there)

    • HardHabits says:

      For raw unadulterated and non fancy shmancy poutine try:

      Salle de Billard Chez Paul
      2425, rue du Centre, Montréal, QC H3K 1J9

      No line-ups. Just straight up poutine.

      This is the real deal. They’ve been serving poutine since the 50’s. All dressed hot dogs are mustard, onions and cabbage. If you want relish also, you gotta ask for all dressed plus relish.

      My fave is the hot dog speciale. Don’t ask for a chien chaud.

      • shiram says:

        C’est quoi un chien chaud??? Un chien saoul? Un chien qui sue?
        I’ll try to keep that place in mind, but it’s ways aways from where I usually hang out.

        If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

        • HardHabits says:

          I once, in my younger and naive days, asked for a chien chaud vapeur at a French-Canadian greasy spoon, as it was written on the board.

          I got back the most dumb-founded expression I have ever witnessed in my life. After I repeated my faux pas with possibly the thickest English accent ever, the lady replied, “oh, un hot dog!”

          Then she asked me, “ton hot dog, steamé ou toasté?” Which threw me off for a second.

          When she asked how I wanted my haut dawg garnished, I looked back at the menu board which clearly stated “tout garnie” but instead I sheepishly answered, “all-dressed” with the best French inflection I could muster at the time.

          It was the correct response!!!

          True story.

      • Stuck_in_To. says:

        17 years old and stopped at a restaurant on the 117 North of Val D’Or I ordered my first poutine … only I pronounced it putain to the hilarity of my travelling mates. Luckily, the waitress had a gentle soul. I also learned there was no such thing as a chien chaud or hamberquois.

    • Mike D says:

      shiram, don’t know if you’ll even see this, but there’s nothing wrong with the Ex Zone. Yes, they are the cheapest seats in the house, but the experience there more than makes up for it. You will get to enjoy the game with a bunch of rowdy (see: inebriated), loud, extremely passionate Habs fans.

      When I went to the Ducks-Habs game last year, I sprung for a good seat (Red B Corners on the side where the Habs shoot 2x). Great view of the game, but fairly quiet. I could hear the fans in the Ex-Zone all game long (my cousins and gf were also seated there as they didn’t want to drop $175 for a seat) and they were on the far side of the building from where I was. Next time I go to a game, I’m gonna choose that section just so I can be surrounded by Habs as loud as I am when I watch my Habs.

      All the pandemonium you hear when you watch a Habs home game on TV comes from the cheap seats.

      – Honestly yours

  15. DadidolizedDougHarvey says:

    Waiting for someone to do a Bruins video using the Boston song “The Man I’ll Never Be”, starring Chara, Marchand,Lucic, Horton, and the rest of the miscreants. I’d do it myself, but there’s more capable peole out there.

  16. HabFanSince72 says:

    If Doughty really did turn down 6.8M/9 years he presumably realizes he won’t get much more than 7M. That’s fine. A short holdout in order to get an extra million or so. If I was his agent I’d suggest not taking a one year deal as mentioned in the article. With the current incidence of serious injuries, that is very risky.

    The real problem for us is that Doughty might be setting the bar for PK next year. I think they have the same agent.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      I just read that article as well…that is insane. There must be more to the story than what is in the article. Why would he turn down a 6.8/ year for 9 years? It doesn’t add up.

      If PK goes for that kind of dough next year I would show him the door. You could get two decent players for 7 mill a season.
      PK and doughty are good but not that good

      • Malreg says:

        I’m sure he would sign for $6.8 million if it was short term. He’s going to be the best defenseman in the league for a very long time. 2 years from now he could be making $8.5 million a year, so why would he want to lock himself into a deal at $6.8 million for 9 years?

      • The Dude says:

        Let’s be clear here ….Insane is the Gomez contract !

      • Bob_Sacamano says:

        Right, let´s show our biggest talent the door because he wants 7 million after we have been paying 7m+ for a center whose worth is not more than 2. Right, you get two decent players for 7m but not great ones. PK and Doughty are among the world´s five best dmen under 23. Both will probably be among the NHL´s ten best dmen for the next decade. These are 7m Dollar players if you like it or not.

        • Kooch7800 says:

          Do you honestly think PK is worth 7 mill a season already? After under two seasons? PK is a great prospect but still has to work on a lot of things in his game.
          Doughty isn’t worth 6.8. He didn’t have that great of a season last year. a 9 year deal at 6.8 million is a pretty significant contract. There is a lot of risk on the players side taking a shorter contract as well. If he signs a two year deal and blows out his knee or gets one of the famous headshots bye bye money.

          The 9 year deal at just under 7 million is pretty generous in my opinion.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Based on the logic of using Scott Gomez as a benchmark for contracts we will have a roster of 9 players next season all making 7 million per year .

    • HabinBurlington says:

      You know what is funny about all these contract holdout type scenarios, is after the player has extracted all the money he can from the team and the cap is screwed over the player then says he really wants to win the cup with this team.

      I am not expecting these guys to play for free, but don’t feed me the BS of winning is the most important. Just admit making the most money is priority #1 and playing on a winning team is #2.

    • slamtherimtim says:

      show him the door and start planning what first picks you will get , 7 million for a D a retarded , or for any player for that matter ,

    • Mike D says:

      The PK implications are what have me so heated over this too I think. That, and Doughty really is being a douche about this IMO.

      – Honestly yours

    • I’d say he wants out of LA.

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  17. G-Man says:

    Now is the time for the youngsters to shine for a week before reality arrives at camp in the form of the vets. Let’s hope they all keep their heads up and perform well, leading to ill-deserved controversy as is usual here. 🙂

  18. Ian Cobb says:

    Mike Boone

    Thanks for your article this morning, you have been given a great gift of bringing pictures to us by your special way of grouping your words.
    Boone’s debut sports column

    Thanks for inventing this HIO site for all of us, with Dave Stubbs and Hickey. You already know what this site and people on the site have done for me over the past 5 years.

    You have built a fantastic community of friends here. My way of showing appreciation for you at the Gazette and the members posting on HIO, is by organizing our HIO summit each year.

    Thank you again Mike and I am very much looking forward to another enjoyable Hockey Inside Out year and parade in the spring.

  19. Habs24 says:

    Not sure what makes Doughty and his agent think he is worth, but turning down 6.8M for 9 years is just plain greedy…

    Drive for 25!

    • PrimeTime says:

      IMO Doughty and his Agent are looking to cashing huge before the next CBA is negotiated. Agents only look to the best interests of their clients (and in turn themselves of course) and could give a rats ass of anything else, as they rightfully should. It’s their responsibility in their hired role. A good agent will have a little insight or a prognosis to how the next CBA will affect their client and will take all precautions to circumvent any possible negative impact it may have. How the latest offer from the Kings is not acceptable to a 21 year old player is beyond me….not that age has much to do with it but the “big” contract typically comes next. I think they are trying to rush the line to be safe. Unreal how our sport keeps getting greedier and greedier.

    • G-Man says:

      Remember the headline said “reportedly” and that Nick Kypreos is the one coming out with this. This is nothing but a speculative piece and is NOT real journalism. It’s as if Eklund has “reported” this, ffs.

  20. Neutral says:

    The top 6 has improved over last year by adding cole the bottom 6 has has to step it up to have a chance at the cup if they can do it this is gonna be a very good team and could go all the way, the “D” looks good but injury’s is the scary part…

  21. OneTimer says:

    Nice article, Boone, and congratulations on your new beginning. 🙂 But would Lafleur have committed that ugly red card against lovable underdogs Ghana like that rat-faced footballer did? I don’t care how good he is, to me Suarez will always be muy antipatico.

  22. pierre lapuck says:

    Congratulations to Mr. Boone on his initial column which I read with a sort of smile on my face. I don’t know why I feel proud for something I had no role in and for an outcome that I had no idea was pending. But proud it is for Mr. Boone and for HIO posters and trolls who may, like me, feel as though we had a small part in this development.

  23. ooder says:

    sole survivor of the russian plane crash has passed away today.
    sever burns to 90% of his body.. poor guy
    The 2010-11 Stanley Cup was not won, but given

  24. HabFanSince72 says:

    ” A sports event is three hours during which you can put your feet up, crack a cold one and forget about money, cancer and Republicans.”

    I’d have said Montreal winters, hair loss and Tories, but that’s a minor quibble.

  25. mfDx says:

    Ten things to expect from the Montreal Canadiens this season.

    – A loss to the Maple Leafs Oct 6.

    – Sergei Kostitsin will have a 5 point night on Nov 11th.

    – Jeff Halpern has a four point night on Feb 4th.

    – The league’s 2nd best power play.

    – Tim Thomas and Zdeno Chara will conspire to allow Max Pacioretty to dangle through and score during their first head to head matchup.
    “Listen Z. We do this… Yeah, there’ll be a blip on my
    save percentage… But their fans’ll believe the kid’s healthy…
    …. Stop throwin s##t at you…
    Those 100 Montreal reporters’ll stop asking us about
    the hit… Maybe the cops’ll even drop their charges…
    Win- win. Right?….”

    – P.K. Subban goes 0-1 in fights this season. Misses 6 games due to fight related injury.

    – Hal Gill and Ryan White go 3-8 combined in fights intercepting P.K.’s agressors.

    – Scott Gomez will legally change his last name to Koivu.

    – Geoff Molson has a mid season “spend to contend” moment.

    – A regular season sweep vs 2 eastern conference teams.

    Sent from my chPhone

  26. HabinBurlington says:

    Boone, nice first column good re-introduction of yourself. Only thing you are going to struggle with is that it appears most of the games you watch may be a tad boring with that Left Wing Lock you have going on . You need the odd great right winger if you are going to challenge for the cup!

    Cheers Bud!

  27. ADMartin says:

    Sad stuff..sole surviving player from the KHL crash passed away this morning in the hospital 🙁 RIP


  28. Thomas Le Fan says:

    Congrats on your first sports column Mr. Boone. I agree the New Year’s Eve contest was a great game as far as excitement goes. However, as a Habs vs Tretiak event, it was also probably the most one-sided tie in hockey history. We was robbed by a masked man!

  29. stephen says:

    Mr. Boone,
    After reading your final city column, I realized your first year writing it (2000) was also my first year at McGill and first year living in Montreal. In that sense, the column was a sort of primer on the city that would eventually enthrall me, so thank you for the ‘tour’!


  30. Here are some salaries being paid to other D’s;
    Shea Weber 7.5m
    Brian Campbell 7.14m
    Zdeno Chara 6.9m
    Jay Bouwmeester 6.68m
    Dan Boyle 6.66m
    Dion Phaneuf 6.5m
    Kimmo Timonen 6.33m
    Nicklas Lidstrom 6.2m

    Where does Drew Doughty fit into the above mention D?

    • Mike D says:

      Not sure he “fits in” with any of those guys. Weber and Phaneuf are the youngest guys on the list at 26 years old, where as Doughty is only 21. Your age and years in the NHL typically have some bearing on what your salary will be. Skill-wise, Doughty fits in with the above list. He’s better than some, on par with a couple, and worse (slightly) than a couple.

      If that report is true, Doughty was a stupid to turn down nearly 7mil/year for 9 years.

      Salaries are getting ridiculous again and I fear there will be a strike or lock-out next year. If we lose a season again, I’m gonna freak out.

      – Honestly yours

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Seems like the new NHL now thinks players coming off their entry contract are now to be paid like 6 year veterans if you have had any success in those first 3 years.

        These second contracts getting handed out are really starting to get crazy.

        I don’t think he deserves it yet, but think Doughtly will end up at $6Mill per season or higher on an average cap hit for his next contract with only 3 years of term.

        • Mike D says:

          Totally agree man. He hasn’t put in the time yet to justify that salary – not by a long shot.

          The funny thing about that list is the players who, like Doughty, had excellent seasons as youngsters in their first few years in the league then fell off dramatically. Jay Bo and Phanny in particular stand out, Brian Campbell too but to a lesser extent.

          Remember when people thought Jay Bo would soon be the best Dman in the league and Phanny was projected to be patrolling the blue line for Team Canada for years to come? Yeah, I do too and neither made team Canada at the 2010 Olympics. I doubt either of them were even given consideration TBH. Incidentally, both of them have what are considered “undesirable contracts”.

          – Honestly yours

          • Cardiac says:

            Doughty was a stud in the Olympics, though. I kept thinking to myself, this guy’s career is going down the tubes playing in LA. Even though the Kings look much better this season, he could pull a Weber and play hardball to get out of there.

            “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
            – Jerry Maguire

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Great examples Mike, Bowmeester and Phaneuf were completely overpaid based on some early success.

            I do think Doughty will be the real deal, but there is no guarantee.

    • DearyLeary says:

      Hard to say, I’d take Doughty above everyone on that list save Lidstrom, and maybe Weber.

      Is Doughty worth 6+ million as a first go-round at RFA status? Unlikely.

      Also, the salary figures were reported by Nick Kypreos… I wouldn’t put too much weight on that.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        Agree (except right now I would obviously take Doughty over Lidstrom on a longterm contract). I also agree that a rumour reported by Nick Kypreos needs an entire salt shaker.

  31. 24 Cups says:

    Here’s MB’s final city column (from last week) for those who may have missed it.


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