Brière takes Desharnais’s spot at practice

Following Sunday’s 4-2 victory over the New York Islanders, the Canadiens returned to the ice Monday morning for a practice in Brossard.

Daniel Brière, who has been sidelined with a concussion, was skating on a line with Michael Bournival and Rene Bourque, while David Desharnais was demoted to a fourth-line rotation with Ryan White, Gabriel Dumont and George Parros. Desharnais, in the first season of a four-year, $14-million contract, has only one assist in 17 games, with only 17 shots on goal and is minus-2.

Brière could return to the lineup Tuesday when the Canadiens face the Tampa Bay Lightning at the Bell Centre (7:30 p.m., RDS, TSN Radio 690). A decision will be made following Tuesday’s morning skate.

Alexei Emelin was in New York to visit with a doctor Monday to check on his knee, which underwent reconstructive surgery last season. Emelin has said he is 100-per-cent healthy and after practice coach Michel Therrien told reporters the club had been in touch with the doctor and that the defenceman could be back in the lineup on the weekend.

After facing the Lightning on Tuesday, the Canadiens will visit the Blue Jackets in Columbus Friday night and then play host to the New York Rangers Saturday night at the Bell Centre.

Douglas Murray took a therapy day Monday and Travis Moen, who is battling the flu, also didn’t practise.

Carey Price will start in goal against the Lighting. Price has a 7-7-1 record with a 2.20 goals-against average and a .929 save percentage. His save percentage ranks ninth in the NHL, while his GAA ranks 14th.

Meanwhile, Max Pacioretty was among the Canadiens players upset by a tweet from new Montreal mayor Denis Coderre during Sunday’s game against the Islanders. Tweeted Coderre: ”Hello? Can we get a one-way ticket to Hamilton for David Desharnais please…”

“I’m very, very upset about that,” Pacioretty told reporters after Monday’s practice. “What, do you think he’s gonna coach our team tomorrow? That’s embarrassing…

“To bring down a player — such a great person, such a great player, such a hard worker … Davey’s a true competitor and he’s a great player and a great teammate, and that’s just so uncalled for… It’s only going to make matters worse.”

Here’s how the lines and defence pairings looked at Monday’s practice:

Pacioretty-Plekanec-Gionta
Galchenyuk-Eller-Gallagher
Bournival-Briere-Bourque
Desharnais -White-Parros-Dumont

Markov-Subban
Diaz-Gorges
Bouillon-Pateryn

(Photo by Allen McInnis/The Gazette)

Reinforcements on the way for Habs, By Brenda Branswell

Three games in five days for Habs, Canadiens.com

Post-practice locker-room video, Canadiens.com

Even Denis Coderre wants to dump Desharnais, by Dave Stubbs

New Montreal mayor has public tiff with Habs, montrealgazette.com

Power-play goal lifts Habs over Islanders, by Pat Hickey

Kid Line bags eight points against Islanders, by Pat Hickey

Reunited line adds punch to Habs, Canadiens.com

Canadiens vs. Islanders photo gallery, montrealgazette.com

Chelios followed friend’s dream to Hall of Fame, montrealgazette.com

Lightning’s Stamkos leaves game on stretcher, NHL.com

677 Comments

  1. Bill says:

    @Steve: you are correct that a little basic math reveals that Diaz is not as horrible as some say. I myself have never considered him bad watching him.

    You do need to take into account quality of competition though. Because Subban may be on the ice for more goals against per minute than the others, but clearly there is no way he is worse defensively than Murray, for example.

  2. Bill says:

    MRonn: Maybe it’s more fair to say that Bouillon being used the way he is is the problem, but in any case he remains a problem. We should have a better depth defenceman.

    As for Murray, sorry, he is brutal. He is not contributing a single thing.

    I’ll concede on Gorges I guess. He does a decent job. But like Bouillon he is overused and playing over his head.

    On a good team I just see Bouillon and Murray not being there at all, and Gorges on the third pairing.

    • Strummer says:

      Gorges on the 3rd pairing @ $3.9 million not good salary cap management

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  3. Bill says:

    SteveO, I love that idea for measuring scoring. Except there is too much history in the NHL to actually change how the scoring race is tabulated.

    However, I definitely think you have discovered a new and very valuable “advanced stat”. You should patent that and tabulate it and then sell it

    • SteverenO says:

      Hey Bill,

      Not sure I would call it an “advanced” stat. I simply divide the TOI by goals scored and allowed. I am often surprised, shocked even, that many NHL teams and coaches don’t pay more attention to the most basic and important (GF and GA) of all the performance indicators.

      What is the point of advanced stats and analysis when the most basic and obvious analysis is not being utilized ?

      Corsi, Fenwick and other advanced stats have a place for those that want to do advanced analysis of player performance, but why would someone who does not pay attention, or act on, the most basic analysis be interested in advanced analytics?

      I refuse to believe that the huge anamolies that show up using my cursory analytical research can be explained away by digging deeper into the data . If the team is not scoring with any frequency when player is on the ice, it doesn’t really matter how “well” he is playing. the same can be said for goals allowed- If the puck is frequently going into the teams net,while a player is on the ice, he cannot be said to be playing all that “well”.

      regards,

      Steve O.

  4. Bill says:

    Cal, Murray hadn’t been a problem defensively? Alex Steen would probably say that too, but he would mean it in a different way.

    What’s the goal differential when Murray is on the ice? Versus when Diaz is on the ice?

    • Cal says:

      Price calls him Big Doug. Think he’d rather have another tiny tot trying to clear his crease, like Gorges, who couldn’t budge Turris in the Ottawa game last week? Or Diaz, who left Okposo all alone in front of the net on a penalty kill Sunday?

      • punkster says:

        “Murry hasn’t been a problem defensively”

        Come on Cal, your MOAR BIGGER petticoat is showing.

        ;)

        Still SUBBANGIN’ BABY…
        but…
        ELLER IS STELLAR!!!

        • Cal says:

          MOAR BIGGER like Murray works. He’s not flashy, but things calm down very quickly when he’s out there.
          And,yes, I’d much rather see Pateryn and Tinordi with the Habs playing and making mistakes than watching wee veterans Gorges and Diaz (who isn’t so wee but plays like it).

          • SteverenO says:

            You can say what you want about Diaz size and stature, but you cannot discount the fact that in 290 minutes of even strength play the opponents have scored only 7 goals while Diaz has been on the ice.
            an averae of one GA every 41 minutes:

            Here’s the rest of the defensemen’s averages:

            Subban: one GA every 25 minutes
            Bouillon: one GA every 25 minutes
            Murray: one GA every 26 minutes (limited time 76 mins TOI)
            Markov: one GA every 28 minutes
            Gorges: one GA every 31 minutes
            Diaz: one GA every 41 minutes

            youngsters:

            Tinordi; one GA every 30 minutes (limited time 60 mins TOI )
            Beaulieu: ZERO oals allowed -0 GA in 47 minutes TOI

            regards,

            Steve O.

          • Cal says:

            @SteverenO-
            Watch the game and see what Diaz does in his own end. How every time he is pressured a little he delivers the puck onto opposition sticks. Watch how he and Gorges can’t get the puck out, time after time.
            Without Price bailing those two out, their numbers would be terrible.

  5. Bill says:

    Punkster, post some Ornette Coleman free-form stuff to set the tone for the absurdist nature of today’s posts!

    I’m talking early sixties free jazz stuff my friend. Then the crap I’m reading will make more sense.

  6. Bill says:

    DeadEnd, have to agree that Jagr could have been signed for less money than Briere and would produce a hell of a lot more. And Jagr is no slouch in the playoffs either.

  7. Bill says:

    Habcertain, Plekanec is not a natural third liner, that is absurd.

  8. Bill says:

    Players who are not part of a problem: Eller, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Plekanec, Gionta, Bourque, Pacioretty, Bournival, White, Prust, Moen, Subban, Markov, Diaz, Price, Budaj.

    Players who are part of a problem: Desharnais, Briere, Parros, Gorges, Murray, Bouillon.

    Most of the Habs’ losses have been by one goal. There’s a slim margin here, and I think better defence would help towards eliminating that single goal on most occasions. Better production from the third line would obviously also help, as right now only the top two lines are producing anything. Finally, we will not win games when Parros is on the ice: he’s a consistent -1 every single game. There’s your one-goal loss right there.

    • Eddie says:

      Desharnais, Briere, Parros, Murray, and Bouillon, were ALL JUST SIGNED in the last 9 months or so.

      What does that say about Bergevin, because I think it says a lot.

    • Cal says:

      Murray hasn’t been a problem defensively. Watch when Diaz is out there which side of ice the other team dumps the puck to. Watch when Murray is out there where the puck is dumped to. Never on his side. Why? Because Murray exacts a price from the incoming forward. Faster and smooth skating Diaz has it thrown in on his side all night long. Wonder why that is?

      Agree on Parros, but they did need to see how he fits only against certain teams.

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      Bouillon is not part of the problem. He is an inexpensive guy playing way too many minutes because of unforeseen injuries.
      Murray has played all of 7 games and is finding himself. Do you notice how Price gets run over when he’s on the ice? Now compare that to last year…..

      To say that Gorges is part of the problem is so wrong. Look at Habs goals against and PK.
      Gorges is a warrior and wears the “A” for a reason

  9. SteverenO says:

    Here are the lines I would like to see for tonite’s game:

    Bournival, Plekanec,Gionta
    Gallchenyuk ,Eller, Gallagher
    Bourque, Briere, Dumont
    Pacioretty, Desharnais, White

    Would prefer Leblanc over either of White and Dumont.
    Ideally, when healthy Prust and Moen replace Dumont and White and we can roll 4 lines.

    I also think it may be time to split up Markov and Subban in preparation for Emelin’s return to the lineup.

    Here’s the Defense pairings I’d like to see:

    Markov, Emelin,
    Gorges, Diaz,
    Subban, Beaulieu/Tinordi

    Are team best asset is our speed. Murray does not “fit” our lineup.
    I like Murray and Bouillon both , but I see them as “insurance” or depth players.

    The fact is that we have NOT scored goals when Murray or Bouillon are on the ice.

    Murray has played 76 minutes at even strength, and the Habs have not scored any goals while he has been on the ice.
    Bouillon has played 270 minutes at even strength and been on for only three Habs goals, an average of one goal every 90 minutes.

    In my opinion, there is no one that is good enough defensively that they deserve to play when their team never scores when they are on the ice.

    I would rather we give up 2 and score 3, than give up 1 and score none.

    regards,

    Steve O.

  10. Ozmodiar says:

    Looks like DD and Parros will be scratched tonight.

  11. The Jackal says:

    Guys… MT jinxed the Habs during the father-son road trip.
    In the 24Ch episode, they show the team members introducing their dads/guests. In this case MT is the dad so he brought his son, and MT says that every time he has done a trip like this, he has not lost. He quotes he is 4-0 in father-son road trips, effectively jinxing us.

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  12. DeadEnd says:

    Just throwing this out there:

    Jaromir Jagr:
    6 foot 3 inches, 240 pounds.
    Last 10 games = 10 points (on a bad Devils team).
    2013-2014 salary = $2 million.

    Oh, and he really wanted to play here.

  13. bigshooter says:

    Greetings loyal Habs fans!
    As part of my Movember fundraising efforts, I am selling a pair of tickets for December 2nd against the New Jersey Devils. The seats are in section 123, front row right against the glass. Tickets will go to the highest bidder and every single cent will donated to my Movember team – http://moteam.co/mosemite-sam

    Feel free to contact me via email if you have any questions or offers at michael@fpdeast.com

    So you’re tellin’ me there’s a chance

  14. HabinBurlington says:

    With 9 of the top 13 teams by points in the entire NHL located in the West, why is the West so much better?

    http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-1112-elliott-nhl-20131112,0,4282679.column#axzz2kR7pjvDu

  15. CHicoHab says:

    We are ranked 2nd for PP and 9th for PK

  16. HabinBurlington says:

    Looking for that special Christmas gift for someone you love? This could be exactly the gift.

    http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/11/11/rob-ford-bobbleheads-set-to-go-on-sale-to-support-united-way/

  17. Ian Cobb says:

    WEEKLY STATS COMPARED TO LAST WEEK.
    With Stamkos out for tonight’s tilt against the Hab’s, will be able to improve on these stats?

    And will Briere be a liability? or is he in shape enough to compete with the slick Tampa club. We are up against a very good team that will not be in a good mood after losing to Boston and their captain last night.

    How we sit with the other 30 NHL Teams.

    Total Points—19. For 15th place. Last week 16 for 16th place.

    Goals For——48. For 18th place. Last week 41 for 14th place.

    Goals Against-40. For 8th place. Last week 31 for 3rd place.

    Goal diff—— +8. For 12th place. Last week +10 for 10th place.

  18. HabinBurlington says:

    I wonder if Tampa being without Stamkos may consider bringing Drouin back. Not a common move, I am not sure the details of how this works, but they may really need his offensive creativity.

  19. habfan100 says:

    Hopefully Briere is still money in the playoffs. Although he is 36 now, hopefully he can still average a point per game in the postseason.

  20. montreal ace says:

    I don’t have to mute the NHL video, it has gone silent and I hope it stays that way.

  21. veryhabby says:

    Anyone miss the “old” Mac PAc? you know the one of previous seasons as opposed to the one that MT has decided to reinvent this season. He spoke yesterday about his “new role” on this team and adjusting to it. And we wonder why he isn’t scoring? I know the talent is there to be our best sniper on this team this year. He should score 30 in a healthy season. I think him now “working on” other aspects like PK, or shutting down the other teams best players (those are his words yesterday) is taking away from him scoring. I know logically it shouldn’t. Talent is talent. But we all know when a player is asked to change things on the ice, to change how they play….things will be effected.

    I miss the old Max Pac on the a team that has difficulty scoring 5 on 5.

    • Cal says:

      When a scorer isn’t scoring, he better be doing the other things that keep him in the lineup night after night. Patches realizes this and mentioned it yesterday in an interview with CTV Montreal yesterday.
      Patches is a streaky scorer. Between those streaks he must play better defensively so as not to be that minus player.

    • SteverenO says:

      Nice point, Habby.

      It seems like Therrien is trying to get the players to play “his” way.

      Some coaches are good enough that it could be a blessing for the players and the team that a coach tries to modify a players style of play.

      In other case, a coach will adjust his team’s style of play to “fit”, or capitalize on his players strengths and “hide” their weaknesses, The really good coaches get the most out of their players.

      The whole debate about Subban’s ice time is a great indication of Therrien’s coaching style. Personally I think that the team, and the players would be better served if the coach adjusted to fit their strengths, rather than the reverse.

      If there is something about the way that Subban plays does not “fit” the coaches game plan, I would rather he change his game plan than change Subban’s style of play.

      regards,

      Steve O.

      • habcertain says:

        that’s not in MT’s DNA. I think we have lost some of our creativity from last year and have become a one-trick pony, if the EGG line doesn’t produce we struggle to win. PK needs to be PK, and at the risk of breaking down our one producing line, Chucky needs to center a line and get the experience. Pleks is a natural 3rd line center and DD has no place on this team, lets get the future moving.

  22. WindsorHab-10 says:

    Good for the mayor of Montreal. MT & Max Pac are reacting as if it was the crack smoking mayor of Toronto that suggested DD go to Hamilton. He’s a fan just like the rest of us & we happen to agree with him. Perhaps DD, MT & Max Pac should go to the Bulldogs as a Xmas package deal.

  23. bwoar says:

    So, will Briere’s line be Killer B’s, or The B List ?

    Prediction: meh

    “thoroughbred”

  24. jeffhabfan says:

    We have a better chance to win tonight without stamkos and salo. We need to play our game all night long and not let up.GO HABS GO.

  25. Eddie says:

    Steve,

    Or how many times do you see excellent backchecking, tenacious, leading directly to a give away by the opposing team at the offensive zone blue line?

    The backchecker, having given every last bit of energy he has for the team, rushes to the bench for a line change, as his team now has the puck and they are heading up the ice.

    Just as the backchecker sits down, his team scores!!

    Not on the ice, the back checker gets no credit according to the stats offered below – the player must have his skates touching the ice when the puck enters the net.

    Should the backcheckers work be considered valuable to the team nevertheless?

    Of course.

    • Caesar says:

      How many times does Max draw the best defensive forwards on the other team leaving other lines open to playing lesser defensive lines and thus allowing them a better opportunity to score or draw a penalty

    • DJ says:

      This is all true but in Max’s case he is a minus 5. that means while he may not be getting creidt for a goal on a shift after he forces a offensive zone faceoff, he is one for goal against. Fact is he is just not playing well enough.

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      Wouldn’t it all average out over time? Sometimes you’re on the bench when the goal you helped create is scored. Sometimes you hop on the ice and a goal is scored that you had nothing to do with.

      • twilighthours says:

        If Plex backchecks really hard and helps spring Ryan White and Travis Moen on a 2-on-1, I’m doubting he’s going to miss out on a +1 for that.

        So I’d say “no” they won’t all average out.

    • savethepuck says:

      You can add re +/- to that when 4 players are on the ice killing a penalty, the penalty expires and the opposing team scores before the player in the box has the opportunity to get back into the play. The 4 penalty killers and the player that was in the box are charged a – on the goal. This happens a lot.

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      Carey Price

    • SteverenO says:

      You make a valid point , Eddie.

      There are many cases where a goal is scored because of individual effort, the opposing goalie screwed up, yet all the players on the ice are credited with a “+” 1– despite the fact that they didn’t do anything to contribute to the goal. There are also many cases where a player did everything right yet one of his teammates “screwed” up, and all 5 players on the ice get credited with a “-” 1.

      In the long run, I believe it safe to assume that those things even out.
      Much like in baseball, a 300 hitter sometimes gets a “fluke” hit where he almost completely missed the ball but it trickled down the third base line and he beats the throw to first. Sometimes a .220 hitter clobbers a pitch and hits a frozen rope, directly at the centerfielder standing 375 feet away, resulting in just a “loud” out.

      AT the end of the season the .300 hitter is normally assumed to be a better hitter than the guy who batted .220. Nobody cares how many of the .220 hitters outs were strikeouts versus line drive; and no one cares how many of the .300 hitters hits were texas leaguers versus line shots in the gap.

      In other words , yes, in any one shift, or any one game, a player’s plus/ minus ratio may not be indicative of how well, or poorly, he performed.

      That does not in any way discount the value or reliability of using the most important statistic, (in fact the ONLY important statistic) goals scored and goals allowed to measure player’s performance and value to his team over the course of a season.

      When a player goes on to the ice for a shift he has TWO and only TWO objectives; The first one is to do whatever he can to prevent a goal be scored against his TEAM, and the second is to try to help his TEAM score a goal.

      After a shift in which no goals have been scored you can “rate ” them as good shifts or bad shifts, but in reality it doesn’t effect the outcome of the game.

      On the other hand a shift that leads to a goal scored ALWAYS has a positive impact on the scoreboard and a shift that leads to a goal allowed ALWAYS has a negative impact on the scoreboard.

      I guess it comes down to what the teams, and coaches objectives are: is it to win games, or to “look good when losing”?

      Here’s another good example;

      Let’s say you can only play one of two wingers, Winger “A” has looked good, averaging 5 scoring chances a game for his last 10 games, But he has been unlucky and only been on the ice for 2 goals scored and 5 goals against.

      Winger “b” has not “looked” as good, His line has only averaged 3 scoring chances per game over the last 10 games but they managed to score 6 goals while allowing only three.

      Which player would you play?

      Would you rather have a player who gets tons of chances but rarely capitalizes or a player that gets fewer chances but buries them more frequently?

      In my opinion, at the professional level, the ONLY thing that matters is results. Like the late great Vince Lombardi once stated , “winning isn’t the most important thing, its the ONLY thing”

      regards,

      Steve O.

      • Eddie says:

        Again, winger b in your example is not doing anything other than being on the ice? You don’t say he’s getting the goals or the assists, because that would be a different stat.

        And baseball is more like the shootout in hockey, one on one, then it is live hockey action.

        So if you want to talk about shootout scoring percentages, then yes, it’s like baseball batting averages.

        But a 5 on 5 game is not comparable to 1 pitcher throwing 1 isolated pitch to 1 batter. It’s not at all the same, and therefore, any statistical comparison between a batting average and the time a player is on the ice is statistically flawed at its source.

        • SteverenO says:

          In my experience, hockey is a team game. It takes all 5 players working together to defend against a goal AND to score a goal.

          One player out of position, not covering his man, or missing his check, allows the other team to get out of their zone and play “offense” instead of defense. One bad pass, or failure to hustle and occupy the offside defenseman, turns a potential scoring chance into a wasted rush.

          i believe everyone on the ice should get a “point” when a goal is scored and lose a point when a goal is allowed.

          In fact of it were up to me, I would modify the current method of counting points ,one for a goal and one for an assist.

          To three points for a goal, two for the primary assist, and one for all other skaters on the ice. Players on the ice when a goal is scored against their would have a point deducted from their total.
          that way the scoring race would actually be meaningful.

          Regards,

          Steve O.

        • SteverenO says:

          You are missing the point. I was not comparing baseball to hockey, I was demonstrating that the “stats” even out over the long term. The better player will end up with better “numbers” than the inferior player.

          The “problem” in hockey is that players numbers can be influenced by who they are playing with and against. In reality, the same thing exists in baseball, the guy batting eighth (in front of the pitcher) will not get the same pitches as the guy batting third.

          The key is to remember that the statistics are only one part of the story, and not the be all, and end all.

          That does not mean that theyy should be ignored , or totally discounted.

          Paciorettys “numbers” ( 1 even strength GF 5 GA by team in 118 minutes) are no less indicative of his contribution than Desharnais, ( 3 GF and 5 GA scored in 225 minutes).

          Based on the numbers, Pacioretty should be criticized/benched/ have his ice time reduced, etc., as much, if not more so, than Desharnais.

          Regards,

          Steve O.

  26. JM says:

    Don’t let the standings fool you. The Habs can play as good as Tampa Bay if they play their best. Tonight will be a test for them. Stamkos may be out but Tampa Bay won’t roll over should be a good one …without Stamkos I give the edge to the Habs.

    • RetroMikey says:

      ummm,,,, should it not be…..The Habs cannot plays as good as Tampa Bay.
      Plain and simple, we are an average team at best so far in this young season.
      I don;t see any improvements except for Gallagher and Galchenyuk to name a few,
      Plekanec is supposed to score, Markov playing way too much ice time, and Gionta a playmaker if that.
      I say start trade talks for Plekanec, Markov and Gionta.
      We are 3 years from being a Cup contender so why linger on to these guys when you can get some prospects or draft picks in return?
      Too much optimism over the years for the Canadiens leads to bitter disappointment and agony for us fans!

      “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

  27. slyCH says:

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  28. montreal ace says:

    I don’t know what has happened to DD, but I do not think he went to bed one night and lost his talent after waking up. The team has been patient with him, and I think his mates have tried to make up his lack of production. In the games I have seen DD play, he has had chances, but he has not had any luck at all. I fully expect DD to turn his game around, and when he does he might pick up some slack for someone else. I don’t mind him sitting as we need wins now, but the injury bug might be back and I don’t mind him waiting in the wings.

  29. DipsyDoodler says:

    Interesting tidbit I just read: the four worst teams in the league (Buffalo, Philly, Edmonton, Florida) all fired their coach in the last 9 months.

    Maybe it wasn’t the coach. Maybe it’s the players.

    • Maybe? :) I pick What has the GM done for me Lately Alex?

      Can’t blame the players either (well you can for their performance on the ice) but when a team fails, it’s the GM who put them all together.

      In Montreal I blame the beer prices for the team’s performance. If the beer was cheaper I would drink more at the game and then wouldn’t care. haha

      You heard it here first Mr Molson, lower the prices and you can do whatever you want with the team.

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    • habs-hampton says:

      Generally, firing the coach is a buffer to buy time for the GM. Sometimes it buys him enough time to right the ship before he is fired himself… but usually not.

  30. SteverenO says:

    Further down this thread in response to my post about Pacioretty having been on the ice for only one even strength goal in 118 minutes of ice time, markc wrote:

    **************************************************
    By the way, there is so so so much more to hockey than just how many goals are scored when while one player is on the ice.
    **************************************************

    What exactly are you referring to Mark? What is more important to hockey than goals scored and allowed?

    Is there a better way to judge a player’s value to the team than by the number of goals that are scored and allowed while the player is on the ice?

    I don’t remember a single game in over fifty years of watching hockey where the winning team scored less, and allowed more, goals than the winners.

    I guess if you are happy with the type of “moral” victory, such as we had against the Senators, when we outplayed them, and “out-chanced” them badly, but lost the hockey game 4 goals to 1- you can point to shots on net, or scoring chances , or some other important factor that we “beat” the Sen’s at,and say that we won the game. Personally , I prefer that the team win on the scoreboard, the only stat that really matters.

    If you know of any other performance metrics, that are more important than goals Mark, please share.

    regards,.

    Steven

    .

    • montreal ace says:

      Steven, I really like the stats you come out with, as I find them find them interesting, while making me rethink certain aspects of the game.

    • Eddie says:

      Hockey is a game of emotion, of momentum, good shifts, bad shifts, big hits, cross bars and goal posts, huge saves, and dirty hits.

      Max jumps on the ice. He creates chances. He moves to the scoring area and SHOOTS!, but a brilliant save stops the puck from going in!

      We get an offensive face off because of Max’s efforts. But Max leaves the ice for a line change.

      Face off won, shot from the point, goal!!

      I would say that Max contributed to that goal although he’s not on the ice when it was scored.
      Things happen in hockey during the 95% percent of the 60 minutes when no goals are being scored.

      The game is decided by more than just goals for and goals against.


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