Bourque out indefinitely with a concussion


Rene Bourque in action last month in Ottawa.
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Canadiens forward Rene Bourque is out of action indefinitely, having been diagnosed with a concussion.

Habs head coach Michel Therrien told reporters at the team’s practice in Mississauga., Ont., Tuesday at noon-hour that Bourque doesn’t know how he sustained the concussion. He’s missed the past two games with what was advertised as flu-like symptoms. That obviously has changed.

Canadiens medical personnel have done tests during Bourque’s absence and have diagnosed the concussion.

“Sometimes you get these things and it doesn’t show up for a week or two,” Therrien said. “It’s a tough break because he’s been playing very well for us.”

Bourque has five goals and five assists in 17 games, playing on a productive line with Tomas Plekanec and Brian Gionta.

There will be no lineup changes for the Habs vs the Toronto Maple Leafs Wednesday night in Toronto. Carey Price will start in goal.

The Canadiens held a 45-minute workout at suburban Mastercard Centre, having chartered to Toronto Monday night following their 2-1 shootout loss to the Senators in Kanata.



  1. Sportfan says:


  2. Chrisadiens says:

    Whoa I’m stunned. Maybe Cole requested this?

    Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

  3. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    Remember when we were discussing buying out Cole’s contract? Guess MB was thinking the same thing…

    • The Dude says:

      Cole for Ryder….we don’t need a goon ,WE NEED A BRAIN.noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

  4. ed says:

    Cole for Ryder!

    Obviously Cole did not get along with Therrien.

    That is the only logic for this.

  5. donmarco says:

    I doubt very much that tomorrow’s game will be a goon fest. The points are too important for both teams, especially the Laffs, to have a player lose a game by taking a stupid penalty. I’m looking at you Whitey.

  6. piper says:

    Fire Sale already???

  7. Thurston says:

    Cole for Ryder… didn’t see that one coming.

    First big trade of the Bergevin era.

  8. Hobie Hansen says:

    Habs traded Cole for

  9. Hoegaarden says:

    Holy smokes, Cole to Dallas for Ryder…..just announced on RDS.

  10. SmartDog says:

    Cole traded for Michael Ryder!

    Wow. Cap relief move. Ryder is heading for UFA.

    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

  11. EsseV says:

    big news from Bob Mckenzie on twitter, Erik cole traded for michael ryder in dallas. Ryder will be ufa at end of the year

  12. Ozmodiar says:

    Of course a goon won’t prevent injuries, but it might deter a situation like what happened the last time they played the Leafs. Nobody knows whether or not Orr would have still taken a run at Pleks or punched out Bourque had we had a goon – but, I’m guessing the chances are a bit less if there’s a crazy bastard on our bench willing to take a run at Kessel or Kadri.

    I’ve heard interviews where former goons have said things like “we used to say ‘leave our guy alone, and I’ll leave your guy alone'”.

    I don’t see the problem in having a guy as the 13th forward to play once in a while, in games like this. Let’s not forget, Armstrong would sit in the press box for these games, not Pleks. The downgrade isn’t huge.

    • piper says:

      From what I’ve seen of Armstrong in the past, that’s what I was hoping to see from him.

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      The Habs are paying other reserve players who are never going to play so why not?

    • Whatever says:


      You can’t necessarily stop Orr from doing what he tried to do with Plekanec if we had a MacIntyre. Although, having the last change I would hope our token goon would be on the ice at the end of the game if Orr and McLaren were. But, you can bet Kessel is a little worried the next game. I say it affects his game. If I’m Kessel I’m pissed at Orr for trying to do what he did. Have White all night long bother Kessel knowing that MacIntyre will take out the trash.

  13. Mavid says:

    what a bummer that Bourque is out..hopefully he will recover quickly..he was playing so well..on another note..the Sens fans are surprisingly humble today..they actually realize that they got lucky..I am still in shock…now on to the Leaf’s GO HABS GO

  14. The Dude says:

    A quick fix: 1) Steve MacIntyre
    2) Brian McGrattan
    3)Zack Sortini
    GAME ON!

    • piper says:

      I’m pretty sure #1 sitting on the bench for 55 min. a game would be suffice.

    • Whatever says:

      Just one of 1 or 2.

      Doesn’t have to change the whole philosophy of the team. Doesn’t have to be goon squad against goon squad.

      Just someone who is one of the best at what they do, that you can dress against certain teams. Doesn’t make a huge difference roster-wise. And the team will feel more free to play their skilled game with confidence.

      I wouldn’t be in favour of it unless the teams we play the most didn’t try or even achieve to intimidate us.

      • piper says:

        I don’t see why most people on these boards don’t see this. Maybe it was Laraque.

        • Whatever says:

          All I heard from the players when we got Laraque is that we feel a few inches taller and a few pounds heavier. The players get it.

          The unfortunate thing is Laraque didn’t do his job. He didn’t come to the aid of his teammates. They didn’t feel all that secure knowing he would only fight the biggest guy on the other team based on an agreed upon time.

  15. The Cat says:

    You don’t have to be big and tough or a goon to know how to fight.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

    • piper says:

      But you do have to be tough and know how to fight.

      • Lafleurguy says:

        I give Tahir “Tie” Domi lots of credit for developing his unique fighting style that worked for his short stature. Have a strong grip of target’s jersey, lean head away from target’s fists, use windmill left hook.

        Chris Nilan was fascinating to watch too; have a steel jaw, eat a lot of punches, then pow, a killer uppercut. Season after season, Nilan would seek out KIngs’ and later Sabres’ 6’7″ Larry Playfair and eat a lot of fist and be stymied from connecting an uppercut or anything else. Finally in one game, consummate teammate Chris Chelios stepped up and was the one to eat a lot of Playfair’s fists. You could sense the fear or at least respect Playfair had of Chelios’ strength ’cause the big dude was backing up during the whole fight.

        Best small guy fighters: Stan Jonathon and Tim Horton.

        “May you live in interesting times.”

        • piper says:

          Only saw Horton at the end with Sabres (no fights). But Jonathan and Domi were beasts. Poor Pierre.

          • Lafleurguy says:

            Funny how at the time, we didn’t get news in Winnipeg about Pierre suffering a fractured orbit. Effectively ended a loyal foot soldier’s career. Didn’t hear about him after “banishment” to Washington.

            “May you live in interesting times.”

  16. frontenac1 says:

    Sortini is in Hamilton to protect the kids. He will have a go with anyone but he can’t fight. Check out his portfolio on youtube.

  17. 24 Cups says:

    Re: goon comments from below.

    In Toronto’s game against the Flyers (last night), Carlyle used MacLaren for 5 minutes and Brown for just 3.5 minutes. That basically means you are going with 10 forwards. No real 4th line, no extra PK team and little flexibility if the neeed arises.

    The key to having size, grit and sandpaper is to keep the other team honest. The only way to do that is to have players who can take a regular shift, both up front and on the D.

  18. Lafleurguy says:

    I sit on the fence on the fighting issue, with brainless fights like Orr started against Panthers’ George Parros for personal revenge having absolutely no place in the game. Parros wasn’t going to run anybody that game. Got to admit that Burke finally put together an effective truculent team with this year’s edition of the Leafs. Too bad for Burke that some well-pedicured Rogers’ exec disliked him and his bombastic style and deprived Burke a chance to enjoy the fruits of his labour.

    “May you live in interesting times.”

  19. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    I think we can agree that one of the most effective players is a bruising two way forward who can stand up for himself. The Habs acquired one this past summer, Brandon Prust. He has already become one of the team’s most effective forwards. He has also taken the role as the primary defender of his teammates.

    The Leafs know Prust’s value to the Habs. Randy Carlyle is not as dumb as he looks. He will put Colton Orr on the ice every time with Prust. Even if Prust ignores Orr’s advances, Orr will do something to force an engagement. Don’t forget, we have a coach who wants players to stand up for each other. The only way the Habs win in this scenario is if Prust knocks out Orr and they gain a psychological advantage. This is very unlikely going to happen as Orr is an animal. In the end the Habs will lose in this scenario as one of their most effective players ends up in the box with the other team’s stiff. At worst, Prust get injured and the Habs lose one of their leaders.

    This is where I see some value in having an enforcer during the regular season. He prevents valuable players from having to fight goons. For me it is like a game of chess. Often you trade pawns to free up space to let the “real pieces” attack. The enforcer will not prevent a cheap shop but he will sacrifice himself and take the obligatory coincidental 5 min that is unfortunately a part of our game.

    Fighting should be banned but, unfortunately, I didn’t write the rules. I just feel that sometimes we don’t just have to shield our soft players, but our rugged ones as well.

    • Whatever says:

      I respect and admire Prust for what he does, and it’s not scoring goals. And, I’m not even on the ice. You can see how his teammates love him and with good reason. When it comes to guys twice his size, why is it so much to ask to give Prust some help? His teammates would be thrilled.

    • donmarco says:

      Your analysis makes sense. Prust is more valuable to us than Orr is to them. Therrien should consider having Prust start on a line with White. Let White play that role. He’ll probably be pummeled but we’d keep Prust in the lineup. Should be quite a game. Both teams playing well.

      • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

        Not a bad suggestion about White but I even think he is more valuable than Orr. White can win right handed face offs, kill penalties and draw penalties.

        • donmarco says:

          But Prust brings more speed, offensive skills, and he makes his line mates play bigger. He’s a top 6 forward on this team right now, and White isn’t. I would just hope he doesn’t get suckered into another stupid penalty.

    • Lafleurguy says:

      Gainey thought the same when he signed an over-the-hill Georges Laraque to a three-year contract. Loveable Georges put out more hits in one road hockey commercial than in all his games with the Habs (three I think). If only Georges was able to average three minutes a game – we would have celebrated our 25th Cup by now.

      “May you live in interesting times.”

      • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

        Agreed. Laraque was brutal. I can only remember one game where he did his job. It was a Saturday game against San Jose. Right off the bat, he drilled Dan Boyle which forced a San Jose player to engage him. Georges pounded him and the Habs went on to upset San Jose that game.

    • piper says:

      Correct. It would be nice to get a Chara or a Lucic that are heavyweights and can play the game but they don’t come along very often. Therefore a legit heavy that aint a good player is needed even if for only 3 or 4 min. per game. If Habs play the Leafs in the playoffs and they don’t dress their goons then Habs don’t need to either.

    • New says:

      I disagree only in that fighting should not be banned. Yoho’s who take exception to legal hits (did I white that correctly?) need to be taught that temper can be channeled. But there is a time and a place where you say no and push back hard. Likely a reason Gionta is Capt is because he will push back and ask others why they are taking this or that. Heck he would have a whack of fighting majors if he could reach the other guy but they don’t give you five for waving.

      • boing007 says:

        Pity that Gionta isn’t 3 inches taller and twenty pounds heavier. He’s one tough cookie just the same.

        Richard R
        Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

  20. frontenac1 says:

    Great read in todays Whig of Passing the Habs Torch throughout a family.

  21. Bill says:

    Sucks to have Bourque out, but in reality Eller is filling his spot pretty admirably. It’s an opportunity for him, and he’s seizing it. When Bourque is healthy again, Armstrong or White are going to the pressbox, and we will be seeing a pretty good player on the 4th line. I’m not happy about any of that.

    Full Breezer 4 Life

    • powdered toastmann says:

      I think, though, that the one thing we often overlook when discussing the value of heavyweight(s) is the impact their presence has on their team mates (as opposed to just considering whether or not they serve as a deterrent to the other team’s tough guys).

      We saw during the last leaf game how skilled (dare I say smaller) players like Grabs and Khadri were emboldened, and more aggressive/effective? than ever. How would Gallagher, DD, Pleks, etc. react, or how would their play be affected?

      We also heard from Calamari and others (during the Goat/Count years) wistfully mention how tougher teamate(s) presence eased their apprehension against tougher teams.

      • punkster says:

        I hate it when mold becomes a factor in a game.

        ***SUBBANGIN’ NOW BABY!!!***

      • New says:

        Those things are true. That type of player will play better when someone covers their back. They will slash, spear, elbow, chirp, and high stick knowing they are safe. Then, when the chips are down or the protector is injured, they are useless. Guys like that never win the big one because their courage comes from someone else.

        • powdered toastmann says:

          Well…I don’t know about you, but I saw Khadri, Grabs, and a host of like players, being more aggressive on the fore check, and it almost seemed as if they were skating a teeny bit faster (but who knows)

    • donmarco says:

      Injuries are inevitable so there’s no guarantee Bourque will be a fourth liner. Besides, I’m sure it’s a problem Therrien would like to have. And if you read the comments on HIO Price and Subban will be traded by the weekend.

  22. commandant says:

    Answer me this.

    How does a goon sitting on the bench stop Colton Orr from punching Rene Bourque?

    Sure he can go get retribution and beat up Orr… but thats just revenge. It doesn’t do a damn thing to stop the initial injury from happening.

    Look no further than Patrice Bergeron’s serious concussion, the career ending injury to Marc Savard, and the hits suffered by Nathan Horton, to see that even a team full of big tough enforcers like the Bruins can’t protect their players. They just get some revenge after the fact.

    Say what you want about them not being heavyweights but Prust and Moen are the best two fighters on the team and both play over 10 minutes a game. Neither was on the ice at the exact moment that Orr hit Plekanec and so Bourque was forced to step in. What makes you think that some goon, who plays 4 minutes per game, would have been on the ice at that exact moment?

    What makes you think that some goon who plays 4 minutes a night will be on the ice at the exact moment to stop the incident the next time one of our top 6 forwards gets run by a big player on another team?

    You can’t play these players on your top lines, unless you want to play 4.25 on 5 all night

    Go Habs Go!
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    • Bill says:

      How people fail to accept the very simple facts that you are stating is pretty damn baffling.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

    • New says:

      You nailed it. People forget that Nilan and Ferguson played other roles on teams where everyone would go. Neither was a huge individual. But their teammates would stand up for each other. That is what tough is about, not dreadnoughts.

    • punkster says:

      You’ll get push back on this issue as long as the league and fans play ostrich when presented with the facts.

      ***SUBBANGIN’ NOW BABY!!!***

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      I’m not a supporter of enforcers but in fairness – having our own goon might well neutralize Orr. First, our goon might fight him in the first period and hurt him a bit. Second, once the score is 5-0 our goon would be on the ice every time Orr is on. That means Bourque doesn’t have to fight Orr.

      It won’t stop cheap shots or concussions. It won’t prevent a Matt Cooke from doing his thing. But it might keep Orr a bit more quiet.

      Orr was benched this weekend but Carlyle obviously thinks going after Plex and concussing Bourque were good things since he is recalling Orr for tonight.

      The notion that a team needs a useless lug to counter another team’s useless lug is revolting of course. But there it is.

      • New says:

        Can Georges St. Pierre skate? More damage has been done to the Habs by Grabs cheap little shots to the knees than Orr has ever caused. Carlyle knows the Habs can play small. That is mental and won’t be cured by big players thumping little players. It is cured by little players thumping big players. Then big players play like giants, and everybody wants to buy the next round.

  23. The Dude says:

    So, mark down all the Avatars of the supposed fans of Les Canadiens who feel the Habs are tough enough and when we get a beat down again tomorrow, call them for the Hockey Dunces they are!

  24. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    Just heard Ted Bird’s latest Don Scarry skit…he had one good line:
    “Habs using Betty Crocker stategy…lots of icing” LOL…(if you haven’t figured it out yet, I like bad jokes…)

  25. Danno says:

    Is there any incident you can point to as the possible reason Bourque got his concussion?


    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

    • AlexTheNextOne says:

      We shot up the standings too quickly?

      • Welks says:

        How has Zack Stortini been doing in hamilton? When he was with the Oilers he was an 8 or 9 minute a game guy who killed some penalties. I would rather have a guy like that on the 4th line than Armstrong. If he can still play I think he is only 28. I would at least give him a shot if he is playing well in Hamilton.

  26. HabFanSince72 says:

    In a ten year NHL career Colton Orr has played all of 12 playoff games (0 points in case you are interested).

  27. Bill says:

    It’s too bad the Habs are so small and wimpy and don’t have an enforcer and get pushed around all the time. Obviously this is the reason they are in last place in the conference.

    Full Breezer 4 Life

  28. 123456 says:

    How about the first place team in the East put out their best team and try to earn 2 points?

    Do the Patriots worry about who is dressing on the other team?
    Do the Miami Heat worry about the other team.

    Let’s start thinking like WINNERS !!

  29. The Dude says:

    So ,because of the 20 year denial by fans and managment with the Canadiens concerning the truculence dept ” And 1 heavyweight is not the answer ..try 3!” my prediction is we are going to lose two players tomorrow due to injury”season ending?” and a 6 game losing streak till we play a combination of mediocre teams more to the style of play the Habs do well with.

  30. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    Hypothetical question…If the Leafs dress Colton Orr, which of the following options would you prefer:
    a) Armstrong on the fourth line
    b) an enforcer on the fourth line who plays as needed. His remaining shift time will be taken by double shifting the forward whose playing the best that game.

    Just curious…

    • mrhabby says:

      b.. i am getting tired of seeing some of our guys getting pummelled by meat heads. its a bigger issue for me.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      Get McGratton (sarcasim) so this can happen…:

      Mcgratten gets his ass handed to him and sits in the box for about the same as his time on the ice for the evening.

      The team doesn’t benefit on the scoreboard either.

      If the habs just try and play tough against the leafs they will not be playing their game and will have already lost.

      The habs game is not the same as Boston, or Toronto… is speed and aggressive forecheck

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

    • Bill says:

      I don’t want to be double-shifting anyone in a compressed season like this one.

      I don’t remember Colton Orr ever being the difference in a hockey game, which is probably why you don’t see Therrien making his game plan around how to deal with him, lol.

      Armstrong on the fourth line.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

      • powdered toastmann says:

        Don’t want to come off as a smart ass but it kinda looks as if he made a bit of a difference wrt Bourque’s availability/effectiveness over the next several weeks/months? (arguably one of the Hab’s better players

        • Bill says:

          Injuries happen. Hard to say if Orr is responsible for Bourque’s concussion, but any player can concuss another player as well. Pacioretty put Letang out for a while, as I recall, so it’s not a case of a goon making a difference there.

          Hypothetically, let’s say Orr had succeeded in taking out Plekanec’s knee. The Habs season is screwed. So you could say he made a difference, but again, any type of player can take out a knee.

          What I mean is, the special skill that Orr brings to the table – punching out goons – has never and will never make the difference in a hockey game. It doesn’t matter which goon wins the fight, it’s a side-show.

          Full Breezer 4 Life

  31. adamkennelly says:

    the chance that we do anything to our line-up before Wednesday are slim to none but we should…given how the last game ended, and the fact that we have now lost twice to the Leafs with Orr running at Pleky and likely concussing Bourque- time to step up and deal with it. Otherwise I can see Prust and/or White trying to handle the situation and coming out on the wrong end. Orr, McLaren and Fraser are all out of their class.

  32. mdp2011 says:

    Flyers have re-acquired Simon Gagne for a conditional 4th round pick.

  33. krulmadden says:

    I hope that Therrien is going to bench Diaz and Armstrong tomorrow. With Bourque out as well, that’s 3 spots that can be filled with some big boys from the Bulldogs.

    Consider Zack Stortini (6-4, 219 lbs, 180 PIM) taking over Armstrong’s position. Mike Blunden (6-4, 214 lbs, 72 PIM) taking over Bourque’s. And Jarred Tinordi (6-6, 218 lbs, 49 PIM) taking Diaz’s spot.

    We would match the Laughs in beefcake totals. And our scorers are 2 for 1 (3 lines opposed to the Laughs’ one line). Worth a thought or two

    • Gerry H says:

      Yup. Let’s bench our most effective Dman. That’ll learn ’em.

    • Habilis says:

      Bench Diaz? What are you smoking and where can I get some?

    • frontenac1 says:

      Hmmm….. I kinda like that. I really think Blunden deserves a shot. He likes being physically abused in front of the net and he”s got pretty good wheels.

    • bwoar says:

      I have a thought or two: Nope and hell no. Blunden could maybe do a better job than Armstrong some nights, but not against the Leafs. Armstrong was the only Hab to show up against them last game.

      The idea of benching Diaz is terrible, period.

      The idea of playing Stortini in the NHL is worse. He can’t even fight anymore.


    • shiram says:

      Stortini, the new Alex Henry, but with less skill?
      Tinordi is not ready for the NHL, there’s more to playing a regular NHL shift than just being big.
      Blunden could be a decent callup, but there’s just no need right now to call him.

    • Whatever says:

      Stortini is on an AHL only contract…and is as useless as a fighter as he is as a hockey player. Blunden would be manhandled by Toronto’s fourth best fighter.

      • frontenac1 says:

        So then Orr would tire himself out beating up Blunden ,then Diaz could finish him off. Problem solved! I wonder if Diaz can fight? Maybe he”s just holding back waiting for the right opportunity. Maybe he really is a tough guy. Maybe he…… Ah Chr#st, I’m not drinking my wife”s Gin anymore. That”s it!

    • mrhabby says:

      makes no sense…

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      Habs will get power plays…why bench one of their best power play players in Diaz???

    • AlexTheNextOne says:

      Not a hope in hell of Diaz being benched, and I certainly wouldn’t want that, either.

      Armstrong though, I dunno. Yes, he “showed up” at the last Leafs game, but look at his play in general, like, on all nights. I don’t think too many would be bothered with Blunden over Armstrong as an experiment.

    • habs-fan-84 says:


    • Mr. Biter says:

      If Blunden would have been more physcial last year he might have stuck with the Habs this year. Tinordi ,not ready for prime time fighting. Don’t want to ruin him aka Komo. Stortini, yeah put him out with Orr and neutralize him with both being in the box.

      Mr. Biter
      No Guts No Glory

  34. Ian Cobb says:

    Bourque was the key this year, for that line, driving to the net and getting off quick releases.
    Can you believe that we only have a 20 year old kid that is willing to get his nose in front of their net and do battle. Prust as well.
    Cole and Patches have bailed so far this year.

    Don’t know how we are going to manufacture goals against a very large team in Toronto, without getting in front and competing.

    Sure don’t want to go down 3 games to 0 to the stinking leafs!
    Should be a good one, I better go and get a bottle of single malt.!

  35. 24 Cups says:

    Would it not have been easier to just flip Winnipeg and Columbus and then wait for expansion before revamping the whole thing?

    If I understand the new format correctly, Montreal could finish 4th in an eight team division and still miss out on the playoffs.

  36. Sportfan says:

    Anyone else not liking the new division format ? I understand why they want Detroit in with Montreal and Toronto cause of History etc etc, but I’m still not a fan. What do you guys think?

  37. jrshabs1 says:

    Theeeee most important game of the year is tomorrow…the Habs are going into the game with a zero line up change(minus Bourque), in regards to the last game played against the maple leafs. Randolph Robert Carlyle has stated just this week that he wants his team to intimidate the opposition right from the opening face off..he also went on to state that fighting and intimidation are a huge part of success at the NHL level.
    Everybody reading this knows what’s coming tomorrow night. Who’s going to step up a full weight class and fight the leaf heavy weights when they come calling? Are the Habs going to let Kadri score goals and run around the ice hitting every Hab he see’s? Will Brendan Gallagher have to fight again?
    The leafs are going to be ready for a fight….they just like their fans hate the Habs and aren’t afraid to show it. Theeee biggest game of the season is tomorrow night.

    Go Habs Go!!

    • bleedhabs81 says:

      Would you say this is a measuring stick kind of game?

      wait, what? are we done with that now? Oh, sorry.

    • mrhabby says:

      as much as i hatem..carlyle is right. some players play bigger or maybe the word is they feel more secure with meatheads watching there back.
      the leafs will come out like knuckle draggers its a given.

      • powdered toastmann says:

        It’s been proven time and time again. I can understand that making necessary changes now is probably not an option (since we just learned of Bourqe’s injury), but given jr.habs1 statement (which I totally agree with) you kinda wonder why this need hasn’t been addressed at least in part before.

        It’s not like we just learned yesterday how the Carlyle lead Leafs planned to play, how the Bruins always play, (even how the Sens with Neil, Carkner etc. can play). I’m sorry, but as we saw during the Leaf beatdown game, Prust, Moen, White (and forget about Blunden and Stortini) is not going to cut it when we go against a team with more than 1 heavyweight.

        Nobody should be expected to turn on a dime…but this reminds me (only a little) of the Goat’s response a whole year after the Boston Beat down (along with several less spectacular ones, when he finally brought in 1 tough 4 th liner (Staubitz)…woefully too little, too late.

  38. Habsrule1 says:

    Ok guys….fess up.

    Who are the 7% that voted that Price should not be Team Canada’s goaile?!?

    I’ll understand if you’re ashamed to admit it. It’s rather ridiculous and you probably since changed your mind.

    Go Habs Go!!

    “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  39. BrianSkrudland says:

    I am always curious to see which players from other NHL teams are most coveted by HIO members..

    If you could add a player in the $3-$6 million range (any position) who would it be and why?

    Wedding Crashers Rule #71: No excuses. Play like a champion!

  40. CaliHab says:


    • Lecoach says:

      The Mastercard Centre is in Toronto (specifically Etobicoke) not Mississauga. To add to the confusion, Toronto’s Pearson Airport is not in Toronto it’s in Mississauga. Hope the laffs are just as confused tomorow night…These morons here have started having meetings to plan the parade route again.

  41. CaliHab says:

    re Laflurguy: OMG!!!!!!!!, MARY MOTHER OF GOD!!!! 13!!??!

    THAT’S VILE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I herd she was 15 from one source and 14 from another, which is still bad but, 13, wow what a terrible human being.

    no one is quite sure what went on there, weather it was rape or not.

    I cannot for the life of me understand what would posses someone to do something like that.

    • Lafleurguy says:

      Got the info from The Hockey News back in 1986. Wikipedia mentions the girl’s age as 14. There was intrigue surrounding the Blues on another front in those days. Ralston-Purina Petfoods were the owners but were tired of losing, get this $5 million annually. They relinquished the team to the league, and one consequence was being totally excluded from the 1983 draft. In the years following, Gilmour, a 2nd round pick from1982 was their best young player but evenso, they felt cornered into trading him to minimize PR damage. The league was able to sell the Blues to a TO businessman, Harry Ornest Jr. who may have been the dude to sell the Argos to Bruce McNall/Wayne Gretzky/John Candy before Ben Affleck bought the movie rights.

      “May you live in interesting times.”

  42. savethepuck says:

    Too bad about Bourque. He’s having a bounce back season. This may be another case of a player playing anyway when he knows something may be wrong. No matter how minor the head injury, playing through it can be disastrous. It doesn’t take much of hit then to put you out for a long time.

    “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
    Carey Price

  43. AlexTheNextOne says:

    Whoa, okay, I must have been living under a rock the last day or two, this is news to me.

    Also, about the proposed realignment, does anyone else here think Montreal gets kinda screwed in the Central division when it comes to travel time for away games?

    Also, why throw Florida and Tampa Bay in there (who are both far east coast teams), when both geographically, and for travel, it would make more sense to replace them with the Rangers and the Islanders? Unless there’s another factor here I’m missing.

  44. habsnyc says:

    What do people think of Marian Hossa? Since he entered the NHL in 1998 he is third in goals, sixth in points and third in plus minus. He was a key player on three Cup finals teams, winning once. He has seven seasons of 30 or more goals and 10 seasons of 29 or more goals. Every player in NHL history, except for Shanahan, to have 10 or more 30 goal seasons is in the Hall of Fame. At age 34 Hossa is 74 goals from 500 and 81 points from 1,000. His contract runs through age 42.

    Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

    • Loonie says:

      One of the most underrated players of his generation.

      • habsnyc says:

        Yes, it does not feel like he is second only to Selanne and Iginla in goal scoring since he entered the NHL. Another Cup run and a few more goals and he should end up in the Hall of Fame.

        Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

    • BrianSkrudland says:

      Heck of a talent. By all accounts – at least that I am aware of – a clean player. The incident resulting in Berard’s eye injury was a fluke that could happen to any player.

      Hossa is a big body that was born to score.

      Wedding Crashers Rule #71: No excuses. Play like a champion!

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      He snubbed us.

      • krob1000 says:

        HE snubbed us? Gainey had the deal all but done….then Waddeell took a phone call from Shero at the eleventh hour…Shero put him on hold so long that there wasn’t enough time before the deadline to call Bob back…it was the Penguins deal or no deal. Shero outfoxed Gainey…and Waddell.

    • krob1000 says:

      I really thought he was going to be a HAb….he was supposed to be…that would have made things vry different..he is as good defensively as a winger as Pleks is as a center and a better scorer. He is by all accounts a great teammate and a team first guy too…he should have been a Hab.

  45. Bripro says:

    Still on hockey, but a little off-topic.
    Has anyone heard Doug Gilmour in the Alarm Force commercial?
    Thanks Dougie, for cramming 7 minutes worth of information into 30 seconds…. wow.
    Someone give that boy a valium!

  46. Sportfan says:

    Wow that sucks about Bourque, for obvious reasons this sucks, but for hikm its even worse because he has been having a good productive season. I hope he comes back soon, but completely healthy!

  47. Lafleurguy says:

    About to listen to Colby Armstrong being interviewed by Tim and Sid, on TO’s FAN 590. (Trivia, Ben Scrivens was on earlier, and he also went to Cornell)

    “May you live in interesting times.”

  48. Loonie says:

    The issue of player safety and concussions is simple.

    The players have collectively decided that they’d rather sustain a concussion than a separated shoulder or broken collarbone.

    The equipment that they lobby for is produced to protect them from checks and the boards, but in turn that same equipment damages their brains.

    The focus should not be on producing helmets that better prevent concussions but on producing equipment that doesn’t inflict injury.

    • Whatever says:

      It’s hilarious when watching the old clips of players in fights losing their jerseys and seeing these child like shoulder pads made out of taped together feminine hygiene products.

      In the 70s, I had my brother’s hand me down elbow pads when I first played and they were made out of leather. I don’t even think there was padding.

    • dano58 says:

      Here here! Cudos to the man with the brilliant idea which the league and players will probably reject or overlook.

      GO HABS GO!!!

      “Opinions are like assholes and everybody has one.”
      Hopefully the Habs brass only takes the best ones!

    • Chris says:

      I think you have to avoid making it an either/or scenario.

      The players deserve to wear equipment that protects them from serious shoulder or collarbone injuries. And that is what modern equipment does.

      But there are other factors that contribute to the violence of the checks that are occurring. Until recently, it was commonplace to hook, tug or grab forecheckers bearing down on a player retrieving the puck. With that being cracked down on, the forwards have free reign to drive into their opponents.

      Coaches teaching junior players right through to the NHL teach their players to “finish their check”. This is nonsense…if the puck is gone, there is no reason to check that player. Any bodycheck can lead to an injury…checks should be used to obtain the puck, not wear down your opponent. This demonstrates a complete lack of sportsmanship, but unfortunately it has become accepted and even desirable to play in this way. But it is completely unnecessary.

      Finally there is the manner in which players check. In every other contact sport, you are taught to get your centre of mass low. In hockey, players are actually taught to drive upwards on the check…the infamous “explode into the check” line that you hear all the time. This is completely idiotic behaviour. Exploding into the check is a high risk (of personal injury) and low reward (the player is no more neutralized on the play when you hit them high than if you hit get in their way).

      But with split-seconds meaning the difference between exploding into their chest versus exploding into their chin, you have the end result that these guys get their hands, forearms and shoulders into the heads of their opponents on a nightly basis. That is a mentality thing.

      One of the books I read (can’t remember who) had an ex-player blaming this sea-change in checking philosophy on the overwhelming influence of video coaching in today’s NHL. When they started, they could lay off a guy because the puck was gone. But now that every shift is dissected for every player on the ice, the players are expected to compete hard and finish every possible check all over the ice (even if there is no hope of getting the puck) to earn their next shift. Coaching leads directly to poor decision making, as everybody is fighting for lucrative paycheques.

      There is nothing simple about player safety and concussions. It is a combination of equipment, huge improvements in player size and speed, rink sizes that have not kept up with the players, new materials (seamless glass, less forgiving boards) used for the boards and coaching philosophies.

      There’s no easy fix here. But that should stop us from trying, because the costs are far too great.

      • Loonie says:

        On your point about high checks Chris. I noticed a long time ago that kids were not being corrected at the minor hockey and junior levels when putting their hands up into an opposing player’s face when being checked.

        I really think that’s been the catalyst to all of this.

      • deuce6 says:

        Body checking has no relevance to Bourque getting s sucker shot from that knuckle dragger, Colton Orr..Which, IMO, is where he sustained the injury..

        Body checking is a part of the game…getting rocked on the chin by an unsuspecting goon isn’t…


        Yes, I’m a Hab fan..Wanna fight about it?

        • Chris says:

          Bourque is one concussed player of approximately 15-20 currently out of the lineup with concussion symptoms after ~ 20 games of an NHL season.

          Body checking is part of the game. But it can evolve to minimize injury while remaining a viable way of taking a player out of the play.

      • Mr_MacDougall says:

        you are forgetting another major factor, players are taught to get their hands up to protect themselves from hits. This leads to “the hitter” coming into contact much higher. NEVER is a player receiving a check called for roughing when he fills “the hitters” face with gloves and elbows.

        Also, charging is not enforced as strictly as it should.

        Hard shelled upper body gear could absolutely be made softer while still providing protection.. how much hard plastic is in a goalie pad?

        • Chris says:

          Charging is a huge problem, even when the player actually does have the puck.

          Like you said, the fact that so many players get their hands up is really poor coaching, as is the coaching of players to use their bodies to protect the puck along the boards. This leads to guys spinning into the boards and turning what should have been a harmless check into a potentially catastrophic check from behind.

          There is no question that hard-shelled upper body gear could be made softer. But I don’t blame these guys for wanting the hard shell when they go down to block a shot, which many are expected to do.

          A goalie pad does not have much hard plastic, but goalie shorts, goalie upper body equipment and goalie blockers often do have hard plastic in them.

          Postition players can’t wear 6 inches of foam on their upper body to replace the hard shelled equipment.

  49. Mr_MacDougall says:

    I apologize for last nights loss. I was in Alberta working and could not watch every game, I have since returned home to PEI and there is a serious trend occurring.

    Games I was able to watch in AB. Opening shutout loss to TO, Ass whooping by Sens, Ass whooping by Leafs, Almost blowing it VS TB, stinker (but win) against NYR…

    To watch the team lose or celebrate victories while watching highlights..
    decisions decisions

  50. BrianSkrudland says:

    Has anyone noticed that little punk Kadri seems to consider himself to be a bit of a tough guy of late?

    In the game versus Ottawa he was jabbing away knowing that his loose-cannon teammates would jump in if things got too hot in his kitchen.

    Doug Gilmour used to pull that kind of nonsense all the time. Start trouble and then allow enough distance so that Leaf tough-guys could clean up his mess.

    It was a sad day in my house when Gilmour donned a Habs jersey. I’m still seeing a psychologist about it to this day.

    Wedding Crashers Rule #71: No excuses. Play like a champion!

  51. Lafleurguy says:

    Reading Chris’ post below about concussions along with several others’ posts brings to memory John Kordic. Because Serge Savard or Irving Grundman fleeced the Leafs by getting Russ Courtnall for big John, Kordic is rarely mentioned as a very good past Habs fighter which he was. He was like Rick Chartraw, and like Chartraw, the Big M, Shayne Corson, and the Golden Rookie, wore no. 27. In his day, little was written about concussions, but it was written that Kordic hated his enforcer role. He was a competent scorer in junior ranks. He died alone in a motel room and there were innuendos of cocaine to go along with the boozing. Too easily forgotten is the recent summer of Rypien/Boogaard/Belak followed by Cherry calling Nilan/Grimson/Thomson “pukes” for speaking out against fighting.

    “May you live in interesting times.”

    • Habfan10912 says:

      It’s funny that today’s concussions seem more to do with hockey plays as opposed to fighting. Hard plastic elbow and shoulder pads, improved skates and conditioning (ahem ahem) increased the speed of the game have all contributed to the modern day increase of concussions. Seems to me a couple of these issues could be easily solved. I wonder what the wait is? Certainly play safety should be at the top of the NHLPA and the BOG, no?

      • Lafleurguy says:

        I was thinking the same thing J. But other than reshaping and increasing the padding of “Pacioretty’s Stanchion” I don’t think there has been movement to making the “workplace” safer for the “worker.” Hey Jim, was a pit crew member killed in a recent year in a NASCAR race? After 13 year old Brittany Cecil was killed by a flying puck in Columbus, we now have fishnets in all arenas.

        “May you live in interesting times.”

      • Bill H says:

        Sadly, no. BoG top priority is only one thing – $$$. Everything else is several notches below that.

        As for the NHLPA, its hard to understand why they are not taking a firmer more proactive stand on concussions. Perhaps the players themselves have the same priority as the BoG. Players, afterall, still get paid if they are injured. This is not my view on it, just my best guess at why the NHLPA is not more aggressive about the issue. Seems like a major deficiency to me.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      Kordic may not have liked being an enforcer but he was never a prolific goal scorer in jr. He was a tough guy then as well.

      His highest goal total in jr was 17.

      If he wasn’t a scrapper he wouldn’t have been in the NHL. I am not pro fighting or anything but if he didn’ t want to fight he could have taken a job not playing hockey. That was his style and choice

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

    • TheLogician says:

      he was #31 in montreal.

  52. Dr.Rex says:

    With regards to realignment, does anyone else not like that idea of having two more teams in the East then the west? Also adding Detroit to our division?

    • Dr.Rex says:

      Easy answer is to fold Florida and COlumbus at the end of the season.

    • Loonie says:

      I can’t remember the last time this league did anything that made sense so when they do something nonsensical it makes sense.

    • B says:

      They should stick with 2 15 team conferences. If it was up to me, for now I would move Winnipeg to the NorthWest, move Nashville to the SouthEast and move Minnesota to the Central:


      –Go Habs Go!–

      • BrianSkrudland says:

        How about 15 conferences of 2 teams each instead? lol

        I don’t envy the poor buggers that are responsible for coordinating conferences and/or schedules. What a thankless job.

        Wedding Crashers Rule #71: No excuses. Play like a champion!

  53. Mattyleg says:

    Har har.
    Had to laugh looking at the proposed realignment of the NHL.
    Putting TB and Fla into our division is hilarious.
    The only reason for doing this is because those teams rely so heavily on Quebec snowbirds to fill their arena.

    That’s a pretty pathetic way of blindly, bullheadedly, and unimaginatively keeping dead hockey markets just above flatlining. How typically sad and embarassing.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  54. HabinBurlington says:

    This morning I heard Ron Maclean on Sports Radio show, he was preaching how much better Kadri is playing now that he is on the team in the NHL leading the NHL in fights. He compared it to how much better Richards played last year when Rangers led league in fighting.

    And for the record, he wasn’t saying this as a bad thing. When hockey’s foremost spokeperson (I hate to say it, but he is, I think) is out preaching the goodness and wonderfulness of fighting, you know the league has a problem.

    • Mattyleg says:

      You also know Maclean’s been sitting next to a certain meathead for too long.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Maybe it is from the time Cherry whacked him on the head with the Kevlar elbow pads.

        In all seriousness, I realize he has been influenced by Cherry, but you can tell by listening to him, that he now believes half that crap.

      • BrianSkrudland says:

        I had to get a larger television, because MacLean’s swollen head wouldn’t fit in my old screen.

        That guy drives me nuts! He loves the sound of his own voice. And don’t get me started on his poetic offerings before games.

        See what you all have done? I was having a perfectly fine day until I started thinking about that egotistical jack@$$.

        Time for a rum to soothe my nerves.

        Wedding Crashers Rule #71: No excuses. Play like a champion!

    • otter649 says:

      Fighting is one of the ways NBC is marketing NHL Hockey to their viewers on their NBC Sportsnetwork by their instudio commentators when ever the opp comes up by talking about fighting as well showing fight low/highlites…….

    • krob1000 says:

      so why is Giroux off to his slow start, Columbus is dead last yet second in fighting majors….Montreal is actually sitting 7th, Buffalo 5th ..I see absolutely no correlation Ron is off his rocker

      The Leafs had truculence before and no skill…they are now a pretty fast team…they have Frattin at a point per game, Kadri is now experienced and old enoguh too step up and JVR has 11 goals….that is how they changed….

      • ed says:

        Giroux was playing last season with Hartnell, and many said he played with tremendous confidence knowing Hartnell had his back.

        • krob1000 says:

          Hartnell is a great hockey player and a wingnut…but having Hartnell’s goal scoring helps more than his craziness…the guy scored 24 and 25 in NAshville, he scored 30 in Philly before giroux and 37 with him…I think any center would be missing their 37 goal winger…having nothing to do with the physical side…

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Maclean is a ditz. He repeats whatever he’s told. If he hears Cherry and Carlyle praise pugnacity he just goes along with it. He’s the Waylon Smithers of HNIC.

  55. The Dude says:

    I think Deharnaise is the “King of the Shootout” and best in league.

  56. CaliHab says:

    as I recall, Borque took a pretty hard punch from Colton Orr in a fight during the Toronto game, could this be the cause??

  57. Kooch7800 says:

    Just doing my hockey pool for this week, Benny Pouliot is playing quite well in Tampa this year.

    “Keep your stick on the Ice”

  58. shiram says:

    Too bad, I guess we can’t buy him out now.

  59. mark-ID says:

    So we lost in the shootout yesterday….big deal. Had the game continued in regulation, which team would have probably came out on top considering the play of both teams? Most likely the Habs. There are no shootouts come playoff time.

    Of course we still have to get into the playoffs….but as of right now, we are essentially half way to the amount of points we will need to get in at 8th spot(around 54-56pts)

    Overall this team has improved in a lot of facets of their game over last year….there 5 on 5 play has been great… is a really good thing that we are keeping the other teams shot totals down. I would be shocked if they fail to make it, after the fantastic start to this season.

    Habs 4 Leafs 1

    “I think I may have found a way for us to get Griffey and Bonds, and we really won’t have to give up much” -Costanza

  60. habsnyc says:

    The NHL and NHLPA should call an emergency meeting. Malkin, Nash, Hossa (hopefully recovered), Landeskog, Anisimov, Vladimir Tarasenko, Skinner, Ranger, Bourque and Latendresse are among those with concussions this season. Not to mention many players who are on long term IR from prior year concussions and the many undisclosed incidents. Fans do not want to see the players concussed. And we are not including the players like Thornton concussed during fights.

    The obvious things that should be done immediately are increased research into helmet and board safety, changes in elbow and shoulder pad construction and more frequent testing of players. The NHL is taking on huge liability. The NFL liability is estimated over $10billion. The NHL can go bankrupt if they do not better address these workplace issues.

    Bleu blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

  61. Loonie says:

    Let’s add a guy who can play no more than five minutes per game and because of that is no deterrent whatsoever.

    • Like I said down below, I’m not generally a fan of tough guys who can’t do much else. But this particular tough guy, aside from being a decent -1 in Nashville last year who can throw with anyone in the league, is a character tough guy.

      Maybe I’ve just got a soft spot for people who brave the criticism and get the substance abuse help they need — especially those who then help other people battle their similar problems. But four years of stubborn sobriety shows he’s more than just a pair of fists. At the very worst, he’d be another Stortini in Hamilton, whose contract is up in a couple of months anyway. At best, he pummels Colton Orr. So win-win.

      Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

  62. Timo says:

    While unfortunate for Bourque, I doubt it will have much impact on Habs either way. His last few game he looked liked he was settling into his last year self (could have been that concussion was catching up with him already) and even if not, I doubt he’d be able to sustain same level of play he displayed first 10 games or so.

  63. Habsrule1 says:

    Brings the whole fighting thing to the forefront. I think just by how hockey is played, it lends itself to fighting. It’s fast and physical, more than other sports. Football is physical but nowhere near as fast, and there are no boards to slam your opponent into. All this means there is more emotion in hockey at almost all times because you are being crashed into on a regular basis.
    I personally think without fighting, the sport would likely be much more violent.

    What do you guys think?

    Go Habs Go!!

    “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    • shiram says:

      About the exact opposite.

      Those players have been given leeway towards fighting as it’s believed to be something that sells the game, or for other nebulous reasons.
      But they are professional, they should be able to keep their wits and remain level-headed, even when faced with adversity.

      If the League would put on it’s britches it would do something to make fighting a rarity, not something to expect from every other game.
      Right now it seems pretty clear to me that neither the players or the League want to do anything about fighting so we remain with the statu quo.

    • Mike Bone says:

      With respect, that’s a crock. Nobody will convince me that players need to fight as a safety valve for their emotions. When the stakes are at their highest, in the playoffs and in the Olympics, where’s the fighting? You’d think the biggest fight-fests would be when emotions are running the highest, but that’s just not the case. In the same way, the Red Wings have been the most consistently good team in the league for more than 15 years and they rarely feel the need to goon it up.

  64. habsfan0 says:

    Bourque says he doesn’t know when this occurred.
    Is it possible to sustain a concussion from a very, very hard sneeze when one is suffering from the flu?

  65. jedimyrmidon says:

    Hope he recovers fully.

    He was playing so well this year, it’s a real shame.

  66. habsnyc says:

    Terrible that Bourque sustained a concussion. Even worse that a player can be concussed and not even realize it. I hope he has a full recovery.

    This is one reason why I am hopeful that Prust fights less this season. There is no point to risking injury more often than absolutely necessary.

    Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

  67. commandant says:

    The Kings have recovered from the Cup Hangover?

    Go Habs Go!
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  68. Habshire says:

    The injury plague reaches the shores of Montreal.

    Changes to the proposed new alignment…

    • B says:

      I hate the idea of sticking FLA and TB in the North East division.

      Why go to 2 unbalanced conferences? They should stick with 2 15 team conferences until they (if ever) add 2 more teams to make 2 16 team conferences.

      If it was up to me, for now I would move Winnipeg to the NorthWest, move Nashville to the SouthEast and move Minnesota to the Central:


      –Go Habs Go!–

    • voyageur9 says:

      Will create an oddly unbalanced schedule, especially for teams — like the Habs — in eight-team divisions.

      28 games against the 14 Western Conference teams (one home, one away).
      24 games against the eight teams in the other Eastern Conference (two home, one away or vice versa to be rotated every season).
      30 games against the other seven teams in the Habs’ own division; (five games against two teams and four games against five teams four times)

      So every western team will visit the Bell Centre once, all eastern teams will visit once, some twice, and every divisional rival will visit twice and one team will visit three times.

  69. SynysterDiablo says:

    This really sucks, Bourque was really finding his groove this season. Hopefully he won’t be out too long!

    Nice to know though that we have other players, like Prust that can step up in his place and not make the injury such a downer…

  70. krob1000 says:

    I think there is a very real possibility that concussion started with Colton Orr on feb 9th…that would be my bet….

    • Ali says:

      good call, I’d wager on that with you.

    • Whatever says:

      Maybe we should have someone else do the protecting for him.

      • krob1000 says:

        how exactly do you protect from that? do you think MCgrattan sitting on the end of the bench would help?

        • Whatever says:

          It was a home game. McGrattan would have been on the ice when Orr was. Especially late in the game when the other teams coach is a total dick. I’d be fine with him playing only against dick coaches. Unfortunately, we play two of those teams the most.

    • Chris says:

      Agreed. That was a pretty solid punch to the head that he took.

      People don’t understand just how damaging fighting can be. One of my acquaintances played a long OHL career and suffered numerous concussions as he was asked to fight fairly frequently as a role player. He didn’t particularly enjoy it, but it was expected that he stand up for his teammates and star players.

      The big thing I notice is how mangled his hands are. It is absolutely insane that these guys rain punches down on hard protective plastic helmets. 22 year olds should not have hands that look like that.

      • krob1000 says:

        double edged sword…I remember when players used to take their helmets off… now they keep their helemts on as long as they can (concussions likely driving force) but they mangle their hands….and hands are kind of handy as a hockey player….that is what is amazing about some these guys …it isn;t an easy game with battered fingers, jammed wrists,etc,etc

        • Chris says:

          Concussions are a big part, but the juniors aren’t allowed to take their helmets off either the way NHL players can and often do.

          Fighting is just the most ridiculously inane thing in the sport of hockey.

          • krob1000 says:

            They used to…I remember a game as a kid with Lindros vs the Fronts…a kid I used to hang around with at the games threw a drink and hit Rob Pearson square in the face…he tried to run up the stairs after us….Lindros hauled him down and it got a littlle crazy. The Fronts were getting creamed and once the Generals started trying to get intot he stands after the kid I was with (who deserved it by the way)….fans started throwing stuff,etc….the Generals had to leave the ice and Carl Lindros was involved,etc,etc…it was crazy. They left the ice and would not resume play until the police arrived….for the last two minutes of that game..every time the puck dropped two guys squared off….it went on about 10 guys deep for each team until the game finally ended..but EVERY one of thoese pairs dropped their was a crazy atmosphere! IT was the norm here around then (early 90’s and all junior players took their helmets off before they fought) …I stopped going to games in the mid 90’s but that was how it used to be done.

    • jedimyrmidon says:

      Just saw on TSN that Colton Orr will be back in the lineup tomorrow after missing out on the last few games.

      You can bet that Randy Carlyle is planning on letting Orr play dirty – not intimidation in the traditional sense, but trying to deliberately injure other players (i.e. the close knee-on-knee with Pleks) and intimidating the team that way.

      • krob1000 says:

        Well we have Ryan White who is as crazy and impulsive as anyone out there in the game…..if Orr does that with White in the lineup all bets are off because he will hurt someone with no regard for the rules…he normally is not an instigator but if someone does something that flips his switch he gets a wee bit squirrelly and I would not want to be in an enclosed area with him….

        • Timo says:

          White is under a close watch by Michael Therrien and he knows that should he get an extra 2 minutes for trying to stand up for a teammate, he’ll be back in the press box. I wouldn’t count on White doing much in tomorrow’s game. I also forsee at least one more injured Habs player from some leafs BS.

        • jedimyrmidon says:

          White will respond for sure.

          But I don’t want him to have to respond to anything because that would imply that something bad happened. As I said before, I bet Carlyle is going to have Orr running around like last time not to finish checks, but to injure. Most teams don’t have that mentality for obvious reasons, but I have the feeling that that’s what Carlyle is aiming for tomorrow.

          When the Habs destroyed the Leafs 5-0 on Mats Sundin night, they did so in a “business-like” manner whereas Toronto’s 6-0 win was overshadowed by the extracurriculars and close injury calls for the Habs.

      • Scotty90 says:

        Orr is probably responsible for Bourque’s concussion. Until we get someone that can dance with Orr be ready to lose more of talented players. Fight fire with fire. What I would like to see tomorrow is new Hab McGrattan re-arrange Orr’s face and then maybe Cube could do a number on Kessle’s ugly mug…. I have not yet digested is laughing at Goerges getting manhandled by a 6’7″ idiot. Once we can get rid of the intimidation/physical factor the Habs are a force ro reckon with. Unfortunately Prust (who is becoming a favorite of mine) can’t do it on his own. If the Habs of the 70’s could win several cups and ice a team that could not be intimidated….. why can’t the 2012-2013 Habs edition not do it!

    • VancouverHab says:

      My thoughts exactly.

  71. Les-Habitants says:

    Damn, that sucks. That line was awesome for us, and it was great to see Rene emerge after recovering from last season.

  72. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …Man !!! …these concussions are frustrating
    Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY

    Campaign to Retire Toe Blake’s Number 6 !!!

    …and, last, but not least: FREE PK !!!

  73. Whatever says:

    Put McGratton with Plekanec and Gionta 🙂

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