Rene Bourque in action last month in Ottawa.
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Canadiens forward Rene Bourque is out of action indefinitely, having been diagnosed with a concussion.
Habs head coach Michel Therrien told reporters at the team’s practice in Mississauga., Ont., Tuesday at noon-hour that Bourque doesn’t know how he sustained the concussion. He’s missed the past two games with what was advertised as flu-like symptoms. That obviously has changed.
Canadiens medical personnel have done tests during Bourque’s absence and have diagnosed the concussion.
“Sometimes you get these things and it doesn’t show up for a week or two,” Therrien said. “It’s a tough break because he’s been playing very well for us.”
Bourque has five goals and five assists in 17 games, playing on a productive line with Tomas Plekanec and Brian Gionta.
There will be no lineup changes for the Habs vs the Toronto Maple Leafs Wednesday night in Toronto. Carey Price will start in goal.
The Canadiens held a 45-minute workout at suburban Mastercard Centre, having chartered to Toronto Monday night following their 2-1 shootout loss to the Senators in Kanata.
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Bourque doesn’t know how he got the concussion? Try a Colton Orr right hook to the noggin 10 days ago. Orr should be in a bush league fight league with Donald Brashear.
I hope they are going to reach out to Carbo for tips on coaching Ryder.
Next trade, Paccioretty for Higgins
Does anyone know who Ryder was playing with last year that helped him put up his best season since his rookie year? Anyone similar on our team?
Gonna guess Ribeiro.
P.S. Based on compilations by daily faceoffs.com,, lst line centre Ribeiro, 2nd Jamie Benn, 3rd Vernon Fiddler. Ryder spent most of his time on the first line. Surprisingly, the 1st line left winger was Steve Ott, and the very good Loui Eriksson was the 2nd line left winger. Don’t know about this year’s linemates.
And who was he playing with this season?
Ok….which one of you armchair GMs called this one?…..I’m going to stop reading you guys for legit trade rumours; I’m goiing to Eklund instead…….
“May you live in interesting times.”
A few numbers for comparison (don’t know if anyone else has done this – if so, I apologize). I was a bit surprised when I saw them.
Which player is which over the last 5 years?
Player A: 336GP 104G 99A 203Pts 0.604Pts/game +51
Player B: 286GP 91G 71A 162Pts 0.566Pts/game -1
Which player is which for their career?
Player X: 721GP 222G 235A 457Pts 0.634Pts/game +15
Player Y: 650GP 203G 207A 410Pts 0.631Pts/game +27
Ready for the answers? Play A is Ryder and Player B is Cole. Ryder has played more games than Cole over the last 5 years (worst season 74 GP) and has been a more consistent scoring presence. He is scoring more points per game. And check out that ridiculous +/- differential.
Player X is Cole and Player Y is Ryder. These two are more even on career stats (Cole’s totals are higher since he has been in the league longer). Their points/per game are almost identical.
In short, given Ryder’s lower salary, younger age, better play this year (and just as good #’s last year as Cole), this isn’t a lopsided trade. The biggest unknown is contract status. Cole is under contract for two more seasons past this year while Ryder is an UFA after this season. Depending on what happens, this may be an advantage or disadvantage for Ryder.
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Pink Floyd?
Loved Ryder when he was with Mtl last time. Lots of heart. I’ll miss Cole though….
OK, in the interest of curiosity. What would it take to trade for Perry? He is just a rental after all..
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Michael Ryder and a 3rd
Kiddin!
Who has been a big trade before losing to upcoming UFA lately? Drawing a blank here, keep thinking Richards, Parise, Suter but they were all UFA signees, no?
Not really Gausted either…
Someone mentioned off-ice issues the other day.
Ryder had a reputation for late night shenanigans of the sleazy variety when he played for the Canadiens. His character has been called into question numerous times, and he is often unmotivated.
Last year of his contract. He will be plenty motivated.
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What is his salary?
Mr. Biter
No Guts No Glory
3.5 mill.
So if nessarry we could pick up a player with Truculence who is a UFA next year if needed without hurting our cap for this year. Could lead to another interesting move.
Mr. Biter
No Guts No Glory
Was it Ryder the one with off ice issues? I only remember Higgins, D’Agostini, Ribiero, O’Byrne and the Kostitsyns with off ice issues. Anyways, he’s 32 now and still scores
Don’t forget Komisarek, Price and Georges.
Price and Georges have grown up since then. I hope Ryder has too.
That makes 6 picks in the first three rounds
If the 3rd rounder is for this year.
it is
And we get a 3rd round pick?
Thanks Bob.
The views are mixed but I like this trade. Agree with most that, although Cole was showing signs of last year, his best years are behind him.
Max will surely miss him though.
If Ryder can benefit from MT’s energy push, and also taking into the fact that the Habs also picked up a third round pick, this deal could turn put to be a steal for the Habs.
I wonder if BG influenced Dallas into doing this.
I’m guessing Gainey had more than his share of input.
Habs get a third as well
Edit: Wrong place.
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Michael Ryder and a 3rd
Lol
Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.
That puts a smile on my face.
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Dallas was looking for a forward who’s tougher to play against. They see that in Erik Cole and give up the upside of Ryder to get him.
Since Bergevin and Therrien also want to be a tougher team to play against and they just traded Cole, I doubt Dallas is getting their man.
He is tougher to play against when he is playing his game. I saw it last year. I haven’t bought this stuff about Cole just having a slow start. Too far into the season. Just seemed disinterested. Kinda how Ryder looks, but somehow puts up the points.
If anything, ryder’s another shot on the pp which has pretty predictable of late.
Not a big fan of losing Cole. But it looks like a small step back to make a big leap forward.
But how does it make sense for Dallas to send a pick back for salary? This seems like a move Bob Gain-
Ohhhhhhh……
he he
Who is the Goat advising?
Chi-town!
a salary cap move? i don’t get it. something must have been off in the room or there is another move coming. no need to worry about shedding salary now when you’re 1st in the division and not stressed about money.
Must admit I wish it was Gionta going the other way instead
I was a little surprised to just find out that Ryder last season had a duplicate year to our much heralded career year for Cole.
And so far this year Ryder is doing much better. Two years younger and isn’t talking retirement.
Hope the money saved is well spent. Must be the main reason.
Good riddance, Cole played like he did not want to be here. Just clearing some space for that big Perry boy.
The Flying Freshmen plus Ryder?
Richard R
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The play of Gallagher, Galchenyuk and Bourque (before concussion) made Montreal more able to make a trade like this. Swapping Ryder for Cole is not a huge deal in the grand scheme of things. Plus we save a lot of cap space and have a lot more money to spend this summer!
Buying out Kaberle and having the option to make an offer to Ryder or walking away gives us a lot of flexibility to sign some Bergevin style UFAs. Gauthier gave Cole that contract and it wasn’t a very good one.
Good move by Bergevin.
Molson is probably thanking him!
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Pros
Ryder scored 35 goals last year, has 6 goals, 14 assists this year. Tying him with the team lead.
His contract is up at the end of the year freeing up $4.5m
Cole was playing bad.
Cole appeared disinterested.
Some fans still like him.
My gamertag ‘NightRyder’ is relevant again.
Cons
Cole played well for us last year.
Cole appeared to be a strong leader.
Pro
third round pick
Didn’t know Ryder had 35 goals last year. Makes the trade look better.
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No Guts No Glory
How about trading the Captain for something in return as well maybe Patrick Elias as he is a ufa after this season so another 5mil free up and we send Gionta back to his Devils where he started and he gets to play with his brother. Win win for all sides.
GO HABS GO!!!
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Hopefully the Habs brass only takes the best ones!
Something about Canada and Cole haha at least he stayed here longer than in Edmonton
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Taxes?
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No Guts No Glory
The Cole Train had one wheel in the ditch and one on the track. Bergevin saw the signs that this wasn’t going to get any better and made a wise move and preventing a train wreck.
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I just googled “ryder cole”
Not good!
haha did the same thing on my phone driving home
not good at all,
images were great though
Hahahah I was curious so I googled the same.
Not good….
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I know a few H I/O posters who would enjoy that google search.
we just got A LOT smaller, and lost Cole’s physical presence.
I could tell he was coming around in the past few games.
The fact that we acquired Ryder (whom I have never liked) makes it that much worse.
MB’s first really bad trade…….
Smurfs.. just shed 2 inches and 5 pounds. SMURFS!
I’ll gladly give them 40 lbs if Habs pay for liposuction.
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“Everyone is on notice”
Bergevin wasn’t kidding…
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Ryder UFA at year end. Cole had 2 more after this. We had his best year. Thanks for teaching Patches stuff.
Bye.
Tre
agreed.
Cole’s days were numbered when he said he was going to retire. With that statement he quit on the team. He has a history of disappearing every second year so this year was right on par. Glad to see Ryder back in the fold!
I thought the same thing when he came out with that. Sorta had a feeling he didn’t like it in Montreal.
Love this trade, this is what our power play needs. I’d love to see Ryder play on a line with Chucky and Eller. This guy has a better shot than anyone on our team.
DD’s passing and Ryder’s wrist shot could bring nice dividends. We’ll see in 4 or 5 games how this pans out.
WAIT a min. What is this nonsense about Cole and Ryder.???
Someone’s fantasy going out of whack??
GREAT! I can dust off my Ryder jersey although he’ll need a new number! I hope he’s gotten over his fixation with paper airplanes!
LOL!
This is a steal by MB. Save on cap. (Possibility of signing a star free agent) Brought back a better scorer (temporarily). We have bourque, and max pac that can do what Cole couldn’t anymore, which is cutting to the net. Ryder’s a clutch sniper. Gonna help our pp.
I guess the Bergevin express left the station while our slow starter was still packing his toothbrush!!!
Hopefully Dallas will be able to throw him a good retirement party!
+1
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he funny thing is Ryder is a natural goal scorer who isn’t 5’5 with a right handed shot probably to compliment plek with Bourques injury
with cole we lose a guy who went in front of the net and was waking up finally
if Cole never regains his form, and Ryder manages to help this season then the Cap dump could be good
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RYDER??????
OMG HOLY RETREAD!!!
baaaad move…..
Next move…trade for and sign Corey Perry…
Depends on the cost. I would much rather entice him with $$$ as a UFA then give up much for him in a trade.
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Weird. Not sure I like that.
Cole has looked uninterested and slow this season… but maybe a little slack for being so good last year?
There was obviously something else at play here behind the scenes. Cole was clearly not getting along with someone… my guess is Therrien.
That or he really misses Carolina and might be retiring in the end?
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WOW love this trade. Talk about a turn-around….Last year, the ghost trades for Kaberle and his horrible contract, while giving up Spacek who was set to become UFA. This year, Bergevin trades a horrible contract for a guy who is younger, and a UFA this summer.
I like the trade, and if we get a pick that’s a bonus
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Further to @TSNBobMcKenzie, the Ryder-Cole trade still awaiting trade call. The Habs also get a draft pick in the deal. Cole waived NTC
Cap flexibility, a guy who was actually scoring this season AND a draft pick? Wow.
I dunno, maybe Cole had a rider in his contract that if he ever got kicked off the top line he’d be traded.
Zing!
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Er!
Looks like Cole lost his job with DD and Max and was willing to move on.
Cole had a NTC, so he had to approve this trade, and from his past comments he probably wanted out of Montreal.
Was it a limited NTC or a full NTC?
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No clue.
We are apparently also sending a pick to Dallas?
I think we’re getting the pick. MB is quickly becoming my hero.
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other way around i think, we are getting the pick
Off-season cap flexibility, folks.
This is great.
Contract dump!
NorthTOHab
Dominos!
Next year the RW’s can be Gionta/Gally/Leblanc …or maybe add Perry in there! …or a resigned Ryder.
The 1st option opens up possibilities elsewhere.
Maybe a young goon prospect from Dallas in the deal? LOL!
Both Lavoie and G.Therrien (RDS) claim that Cole’s attitude in the room was more divisive than unifying.
I don’t listen to RDS “analysts”…
Ah the “Bad in Room”. If Cole was still bitching over the NHL/ Players contract deal, then it was time for him to go. He seemed really bitter about the settlement and it was effecting his play.
Also Texas has no “State Income Tax” compared to the taxes paid in Quebec.
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No Guts No Glory
Michael Ryder, 19games 6G 8A +4 PIM-8 TOI:16.22
-eighth round pick 1998
-gotta love the ’98 draft for the Habs:…..1st Eric Chouinard…..2nd Mike Ribeiro….3rd Francois Beauchemin….6th Andrei Markov…..8th Michael Ryder…. (thanks for lending me your style Steve in Surrey……)
Ryder is 32, Cole 34. Both have a Stanley Cup ring.
Ryder’s contract, final year $3.5 million. Cole year 2 of 4, $4.5 mill.
Both had career high 35 goal seasons last year. Ryder has three 30 goal seasons, Cole two
And the Habs get a 3rd round draftpick (this edit feature makes it look like I’m first in mentioning the draftpick!)
Love this trade
I STILL say Ryder’s goal in Game 4 of 2011 playoffs was offside.
http://youtu.be/0QE0wD3aYW0
3 blind mice…3 blind mice…see how they ref…see how they ref…
I wonder what, if any, input former Habs GM and special advisor Bob Gainey had in this trade for the Stars?
For some reason I had come to the conclusion that we were moving away from perimeter players! Max Pac for Samsonov!
Corey Perry may be a Hab this summer or sooner.
The very 1st thing that crossed my mind!!!!
great minds….
Exactly. Nobody seems to be looking at the big picture here…the Habs just saved 4.5 million off the cap for the next two years.
Thought the same thing Burly. Tons of cap space next year….around 20 million.
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closer to 14.5.
i did a quick calculation yesterday, factoring in a Cole (and Kaberle) trade.
Thanks bud. I was way too lazy to plug the numbers.
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Between Cole/Ryder and Kaberle’s buyout that gives us an extra $8.75m in cap space with the only RFA of note being Deharnais.
It would seem that Marc can go shopping this summer!
Shop til you drop, Marc!
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Therefore….I’m going to post here. That is all. (Ozmodiar’s “great minds”)
WHAT THE HELL?????
This proves that this management doesn’t fk around. They felt like what Cole was giving for the money hes making was simply not enough. Bad trade by Dallas.
Cole is slowing down. And he’s under contract at a cap hit of $4.5 million for another 2 full seasons after this year.
Michael Ryder is just as good and he is a UFA this summer.
Bergevin just got rid of a contract before it started to get ugly. Cole looked off this year.
I had a feeling Cole would be traded at the deadline, but with the team playing so well I guess it’s better to make the deal now.
I hate this move.
Cole has a history of being a slow starter.
The only way that this may make sense is……… I dont know.
never mind
Cole looked apathetic many nights and seemed to be unhappy playing here. His heart just wasn’t into it like it was last year and so it’s for the best that he has been traded.
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Hope MB shopped him around a bit first and didn’t just pull a PG.
Along with the retirement comments I believe he also mentioned his kids not liking Quebec school. If he did request a trade keeping the whole thing quiet is all class.
Is Pasta not permitted at the Bell Center??
Quebec’s language cops are turning Quebec into a global joke.
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We’re paying government employees with pensions to conclude that “pasta is not a French word”…pathetic…
How about le clutch?
Richard R
Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.
Love the trade. Don’t worry, Erik, it doesn’t snow as much in Dallas as it did today in Amarillo. Maybe Bob Cole will learn to love the Habs just a tad more with a Newfoundlander back in the fold. Finally, I’m sure that MT will make MR a better person.
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Mind is blown. $$$ move. Wish we could have gotten someone younger
saves capspace and ryder has been a consistent scorer through out his career, although we do lose net presence. will be interesting to see how this pans out
is it a straight up deal or are we acquiring ryder and some picks
This is my fellow Newfoundlanders dream, Ryder was treated poorly by us. Newf dawg (Ryder) will be welcomed back, cole seems like one of those guys that show up on your beer league team and whines who he is playing against
Not a big fan of this move.
Cole is a slow starter who was coming around. He’s a big body who hits a lot when he’s on his game. Ryder isn’t that.
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Don’t like it either. Is the Tank on already.
It’s clearly a salary cap move for the next two seasons.
I just traded him two weeks ago in my hockey pool.
Also Ryder is a right-handed shot which the Habs needed…good move by MB. Clears cap space for next two seasons…
Was it not Ryder that save the Bruins two years ago in the first round by making that glove save against us? I been hearing that the Bruins wanted Ryder back
If he doesn’t want to play here then good riddance…goodbye 4.5 million cap hit…hello ryder with your amazing wrist shot…he’s also a UFA at the end of the year which means more cap space…all we got to do next is trade Gionta and with the gomez 7, gionta 5, and the cole which is now the ryder 3.5….that’s 15.5 million cap space we get to work with….can you say? WOOOHOO!!
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Add in Kaberle’s 4 million. Is it possible MB is dumping salary to go after Perry as a UFA?
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Quiz of the day. Who leads the Habs in scoring this year?
Answer:Michael Ryder.
LOL!
I guess 14 points for Ryder does not equal the 14 points for Max?
Mr. Biter
No Guts No Glory
But Ryder has more goals so he’s slightly ahead.
Ryder’s played 4 more games.
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The trade makes sense for us. Cap issues for next year. This saves a lot of space. Also Ryder is having a better year than Cole so far.
What I don’t understand is why Dallas would have done this.
Ryder was tied for the Stars team lead in points with six goals and eight assists for 14 points in 19 games. Cole had three and three assists for six points for the Habs.
Question now is who gets #73? Does Gallagher keep it or give it back to Ryder? Using the return of Bouillon as an example, I say Ryder goes for the new number.
As a big Michael Ryder fan and a Newf I am so pleased. Hope it is true.
Oh its true lol this isn’t an overreaction
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Holy Shit!
Amazing.
Someone on here today was just saying that trading him was a big mistake, and I agreed (in my mind).
—Hope Springs Eternal—
That’s too bad – I really liked Cole.
Then again I always liked Ryder.
That being said, Cole was having trouble this year. You got the impression his body couldn’t handle the hard knocks anymore. Even recently when he was playing better he would fall down a lot and avoid running through people like he did last year.
So long Erik. We’ll miss you.
I would be willing to bet that Cole asked to be traded.
Don’t think so. Family is in New York…
Wow, Cole for Ryder. Totally out of left field…
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Someone PLEASE TELL ME THE COLE RYDER TRADE IS A JOKE!
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