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I know it will sound dismissive, but man..look at the players we put out there on a nightly basis. The Habs must be in the bottom five in terms of actual, proven, “in their athletic prime” talent. It’s a bunch of kids like PK who some want to be the next Bobby Orr immediately, or aging vets like Gionta who are on their last legs as productive players with very little in between that is ready to help you win a division or even a playoff spot. Eller is a terrific prospect, IMO, but he should be playing in the AHL, logging lots of minutes instead of being underutilized by an increasingly predictable Jacques Martin (always err on the side of caution even if the results are bad..(ie) Pleks at the point on the PP long after any sane observer would observe it isn’t working)
I would be in favour of dumping JM if there was a French speaking alternative that made sense. I don’t see one on the horizon since the ideal guy is coaching TAmpa Bay at the moment.
I say we ride this season out with JM, try and deal a vet or two at the trade deadline and if the playoffs don’t happen…fine. This is the end of the line for the idea that this collection of vets can lead us anywhere..Get younger, take the hit that entails and stop trying to be the Toronto Maple Leafs who used to specialize in signing over 30 has beens to put them over the top whilst giving up draft choices like they were plugged nickles.
IT’s not going to happen of course. Montreal just won’t tolerate losing and non playoff years. But taking 2 steps back to eventually allow giant steps forward is the way to success in the NHL, unless you can go on a 10 year run of great drafting in the lower rounds like Detroit. Unlikely, even for Detroit at this point. I fear this team is going to look like Calgary by next year. One great player (Iggy, Price) and no future for them. I just don’t see with this management and coaching team..as well as ownership which seems stuck in a bygone past (they do a much better job of celebrating the past than they do of creating the future) the kind of success we all expect from the CH. I’m not really emotionally invested in this team and that bothers me as well. WE’ve had bad to mediocre teams at times in the past but I was “all in” with them win or lose. Now I look at them and wonder when the dregs of the system are leaving the ice so the shiny “real” product can take up their positions.
Is this team in crisis? It feels like a franchise adrift in mediocrity. I can’t even laugh at JM “notebook” jokes anymore…OK..that’s still plenty funny.
Leblanc – he looked ok actually, battled for the puck, made some passes, skated hard, plated on the 3rd line.
The whole game was a mess though…with all of the Pks and PPs there was no flow
Couldn’t catch the game due to a mustache auction that was a great success and raised a ton of money for prostate cancer.
Big thing I wanna know is how did Leblanc look?
Oh, and by the way. Darche is just simply terrible.
St. Denis……just too small, doesn’t add anything.
Weber……zero confidence. I blame the coach.
Diaz……..too small, doesn’t hit, doesn’t score.
Gorges……..a leader, but doesn’t hit, doesn’t score.
Gill……….kills penalties, doesn’t hit, doesn’t score.
Pk………gets caught with feet in sand, I blame the coach.
Spacek…………tin man. Good five years ago. Too small, doesn’t hit, doesn’t score.
Markov………..can’t remember him playing. I was at the game he got hurt, looked like he was shot. The hit wasn’t even that bad.
I believe that’s all folks.
You forgot one.
Gomez was completely invisible again throughout the entire game.
“Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”
Stop this insanity now. Get rid of JM right away.
Some fans on here are whining because they say “who’s better out there?”. What!!??
Right now, most anyone. My atom all star coach, used to wear his RCMP uniform to the game.
Anyone who has a different message, because JM’s is not getting thru anymore.
And we have at least three guys on the roster that should not be seeing NHL action.
It’s going to take more than Andrei Markov and his balsa wood knee to turn this season around.
Habs need an enforcer
Habs need a lot of everything at this point.
Come for Habs, Stay for Weird
Seriously, when is our “saviour” Markov coming back to play??? I hate to say I I told you so, but I told you so. We shouldn’t have resigned this guy who’s built like pottery.
Last night, with so much time before the game I was messing around with my NHL.com account before the live-stream and I stumbled upon a pretty cool feature that shows the goal-scoring trends for each team. (Icetracker>Goal trends).
Anyways, I was unsurprised to see that the Habs score 58% of their goals from the area in front of the net – most goals are scored from this position. What caught my attention was how small this percent (in front of the net) was in comparison to other teams.
Philadelphia – 66%, New York R- 73%, Washington- 62%, Buffalo- 61%, Florida- 64%, Tampa- 67%, Carolina- 67%, Colorado- 67%, Chicago- 65%
Not all teams were higher of course. Interestingly: Boston, Toronto, San Jose, Vancouver and some other teams also score between 50 and 60% of their goals from the front of the net. Like Montreal, these teams have players who prefer to attempt offense from the outside the faceoff circles. I imagine all of Kessels goals drastically lower Toronto’s percentage.
All of this on its own doesn’t amount to much.. but I can’t help but feeling as though the Habs are losing out on the “low hanging fruit” offensively by ignoring the high scoring areas in favour of far lower percentage of success offensive scoring chances.
One thing that I have remarked while watching Habs games is how few of our goals are scored off a rebound. It seems like nobody is ever in position for these tap ins.
Do find it curious that the Leafs can lose 6-3 to Boston (yes I know there was an empty netter, but there was also a complete horsecrap goal for the leafs) and that is a better played game than when the Habs lose to Boston by 1 goal in Boone’s opinion. Perception is everything I guess.
when the heck is markov returning get ur azz back allready.boooodie suxx trade this bumm.beaudreaus a great coach will do well with canards.
GO HABS GO
who’s in charge of firing people on the Canadiens?
we have to fire the person in charge of firing people cause he’s not firing anyone so he’s not doing his job.
– If the NHL was the Wizard of Oz, Cammalleri would be the Cowardly Lion.
Perry Pearns new duties with the Montreal Canadiens is head of H.R., I believe all firings (De-Pearnings) run through him now.
embarrassing to be fired twice by the same organization..but lets fire him!
“we need to fire the person in charge of firing people. Cause he’s not firing anyone, so he’s not doing his job”.
Kudos to you. That’s hilarious and so true!
I’ll crank my optimism up a notch and wager that the Habs go 9-3-1 in the month of December.
The schedule actually looks fairly good, with no back to back’s beside’s tonight’s second of two. They’ll probably lose tonight or Sat, and probably against one of Boston or Philly, but I see lots of winnable games with Carey Price playing every one of em and both Markov and Max Pac in the line up.
See dis guy? I like dis guy!
—Hope Springs Eternal—
You , you need to wear that Gomez shirt with pride for December, with that support Mr. Gomez will soar to heights never seen before! (I heard he is getting lifts put in his skates)
I’ll wear it tonight at home as a test-drive.
Then we’ll see.
My freakin’ hand is still swollen and I can’t make a fist. Did a real job on it.
‘Ware the turnstiles in the night! 🙂
That was a great story.
If we have Markov back for Dec. I am with you Patience, I am also still hopeful that a healthy Gomez will help the team. (Ducks from arrows shot at him).
Let’s solve this using a proven scientific method shall we?
Me: “Will the Habs go 9-3-1 in December?
Magic 8 Ball: “Don’t count on it.”
The Magic 8 Ball Oracle has answer to all the questions:
Me: “Will the Habs be above 500 in December?”
Magic 8 Ball: “Ask Again Later.”
Know why JM will not get fired on this road trip?
Goatier is too cheap to pay for a return commercial airticket from California to Montreal!
…..My empire is crumbling, my international sponsors are deserting me, my authority is questioned, I am held in contempt wherever I go.
Who am I: Barak Obama or Gary Bettman.
gauthier is VP operations?
Send him a Greyhound ticket then…
With his $2M severance package, he can find his own way home. Heck, we HIOer’s could pass the hat around if thats the only issue.
Time’s up, JM must go!
So, Martin has a go ahead fire me clause. Does that kick in if he is relieved of coaching duties, but given another job in the organization? Maybe they could re assign him as chief scout in Saudi Arabia?
Asked this question earlier, didn’t get a clear response:
Does anyone have any idea who is in charge of the PP?
Or is it a committee job?
…which would go some way to explaining why it’s so garbage…
Substitute guitar for hockey stick, and this pretty much sums up the PP.
This guy right here
He makes me happy!
(is it true?)
Yup it’s the truth. The problem is that he is always running around the stand during the game, so the players have no clue what to do.
then why is darche on the PP?
Thaaaaaaat’s why it lacks cohesion.
…and why do you keep putting Darche out there then posting on here that he sucks? Are you telling him to read your posts in the hopes that it will inspire him?
Seeing Darche on the PP over and over again is like a bad flashback.
Thus, I still think Timothy Leary is in charge.
Yeah pretty sure it’s Cunneyworth.
Well it appears that when I fell asleep midway through the 2nd last night, I didn’t miss much. I am hoping to stay awake a little longer tonight, thus the result should be better.
Game’s an half hour later though, you just realize it is futile!
Things are looking bleak my friend. Its hard to stay positive in these dark Hab days. I would almost prefer a loss tonight, if it meant JM would be fired.
Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.
Never cheer for the loss Chris, at least I shall not. Just think of that great song being sung by L’il Orphan Annie. The Sun did come out today and will tomorrow!
I hate the comment that
“As long as fans keep going to the games and buying merchandise and buying beer then the team is going to suck because all Jeff Molson cares about is making money”
If this was the case, the Habs would consistently operate with a team significantly below the salary cap. We are always at or near the top in terms of what we spend on players – but in a salary cap world our GM is limited in what he can do. Whether or not the current or previous GM’s have made the correct decisions is a whole different story, but to say that the team is bad because the Owners know they can make money no matter what makes absolutely no sense. I can guarantee the Molson’s would make a significantly larger amount of money in a season in which we win the cup than we would in a season where we don’t make the playoffs, and I can guarantee that the Molson’s want to win.
Good post. Im sure the playoff revenues are huge, not to mention merchandise sales going up after a successful season. Nobody buys a hockey team and doesn’t care about success, on or off the ice.
LOL, that was pretty funny.
People seem to be making fun of Gill’s 5 on 3 routine. Laugh all you want, but that sprawling move is DAMN effective.
True Dat. He should have been a goaler!
Can we make fun of it, because it looks so awkward, his legs just wiggling back and forth, but admit that the move works?
It doesn’t make it any less funny though 🙂
It looked like he was ‘presenting’.
I have paid money to see girls in the same position at Chez Paris
Why does something I have no control over have so much control over me….
All Gill needs for the 5 on 3’s is a perfumey blanket to spread out in front of the crease.
I would chuck toonies at Hal Gil for sure….maybe even a fiver if he really worked the goalposts…
Why is Paul Maurice in Montreal?
Where did you hear this, Ian?
I am just creating more noise! is all.
Awww, u got my hopes up Ian.
CHEZ PARIS IAN…..CHEZ PARIS
“Peter Mahovolich wouldn’t have taken that crap”
Or maybe Boul. St. Jean.
As long as he does not get near the Bell Center.
Im sure its nothing Ian. Gauthier is in Cali.
thx Ian….I already texted my son, who very likely has alerted the entire eastern seaboard by now…..crappers….gotta get back to him now…
that was mean Ian….not like you
Actually that’s very like him
He also said he had inside info that Crosby would never play again.
He knows french right?
Big no to Maurice. JM is a better coach than him, not even close.
Watching last nights game I heard that Eric Cole paid for Louis Leblanc’s parent to get to the game so they could see him play his first NHL game
There is still class in this organization.
That is a great story. Thank you for that on a rotten day. Especially as Cole is a new player.
“Play”. Louis was stapled to the pine. Absolutely no reason for him to be in the lineup instead of Palushaj.
He played 7:52
Restores some of my faith about Les Boys.
JM is still a donkey
Habs, OLE !
Against the grain:
Habs had a terrible start (8 games, 1-5-2) and then started to win and played near 700 hockey for a month (9-4-1). After 3 recent losses (0-2-1) the rabid fans at HIO are ready to throw JM under a bus and tank the season.
We are 2 points out of 8th and 6 points out of 3rd with our best player about to return from injury.
Let’s take Carey’s advice and chill out, eh?
They were playing well early in the year. Not playing well at all now. Some hot goalies stole games early, not the case now.
Darche on the Powerplay. Weber and Diaz on the penalty kill. Big problems.
I agree there are many concrete issues worth analyzing, especially the PP. The D in general is also a big problem – it’s been nice to see the young talent tested and profiled, but really, you don’t want more than 1 of Weber, Diaz or Emelin in line up, and St. Denis is an AHLer who needs to stay there.
I’m looking forward to something like,
Gorges – Subban
I’m just trying to counterbalance some of the insanity around here.
That healthy group isn’t very impressive to me anymore.
Our best player has not missed a game all year he is either in the blue paint or sitting at the end of the bench.
As for Markov You would think that we are used to playing without him for the last 2 years.
No, you never get used to missing your best offensive player. The Habs have persevered impressively without him, yahoos intermittently calling for JM and PG’s heads every time they’ve struggled.
But this season is different. The addition of Cole looks to be the best UFA pick up by any team. AK is defying his critics. Although struggling a bit Cam and Gio will be fine. Max Pac is maturing into a star winger, and DD and Eller are growing slowly but surely. We still look to have the best offense we have had in years.
But we can’t underestimate the importance of having experienced dmen who can get the puck out and up to the forwards successfully and creatively.
3 rookies and 1 mediocre sophomore (Weber) just won’t cut it. That is about to change.
Please stop blaming the players only for the POWER PLAY failure.
Review the game.
And then remember Camalieri’s cry at a practise before… “We are too separated we gonna be killed”
And then remember the TSN analyst couple weeks ago who said that HABS power play is so predictable… two defencemen stand at the point.. dont get involved in the passing…. but just firs at the net hoping for a ‘screened goal’ or some tip-in etc.
Subban is having a sophomore slump. And he and everyone ‘quit’ last night.
But to say he or any other ‘point player’ missed the net all night is wrong. The shots were MOSTLY ON NET. Even BOONE remarked in his blog..’at least they are getting shots’.
But that’s just it. Your power play CANNOT exclusively be ‘shots from the point’. NHL goalies and defnesemen are too good.
You must ,combine(all 5 players) to make the opponent lose their ‘box composure’ and to give your players see-ing eye wrist-shot opportunities from the imaginary scoring arch dissecting the fac-off circles…. and then your point shots become more unpredictable weapons.
But that requires individual skill and risks.
Review the power plays again.
Look at the separation of forward and defensemen ON THE POWER PLAY. I was amazed. The TV folks would have to get a ‘wide’ angle shot to capture the 5 players on our PP.
Look at how many ‘dump-ins’ around the boards were made on the power play from way outside the blueline..and how easy it was for the Ducks players to beat the onrushing forwards to the puck then or to at least not be at a disadvantage for puck possession.
The dump-in strategy is being uniformly used to get the puck and set up the point shot.
If the players are playing the PP contrary to the coaching, it’s the players fault and they should be rightly criticised. But if the players are following the coaches instructions, then…..
I watched the PP intently and drew these observations.
Cammalleri’s lack of effort affords him no entitlement to criticize anything related to this hockey team.
Missing the net from ten feet away and nobody to get in his way is unacceptable at any level.
Turning away from every puck battle and throwing a slash is not helping the team.
He is the biggest culprit in this losing streak, by a longshot.
One can come down on the side that all our players suck, have no motivation, no skill.
Or one can come down on the side that the systems employed by the coaches do not use their skills, do not INVIGORATE their spirit for the game, and deadens their intensity for battle.
I know the side I am on.
We have one player lacking effort consistently through the regular season since he was signed. And one coach mismanaging the team. I wouldn’t have a problem if both were sent packing. In fact, I’d prefer it to any alternative.
In Martin’s defense. St.Denis, Weber and Diaz aren’t NHL hockey players. You’re telling me that Jacques Martin is innovative enough to make Cammalleri play with passion? He’s a professional, if $6 million annually isn’t motivation enough I’d be happy to show him the nearest exit.
Cammalleri is a gifted sniper who can’t skate or check. In order for him to be effective he has to find open ice much more often . all the off season workouts and tweets about his ” monster season coming “… he needs to step up
If Gionta stood On Desharnais’ shoulders, and then they stood on Cammalleri’s, they might be able to muscle someone off the puck
Power play doesn’t work because it’s a static umbrella. The purpose of the power play is to create a close-in 2 on 1, not to pass around the perimeter hoping for the occasional point shot to bounce in somehow. 1 of the 3 at the top has to move in to keep the pressure off the points and create and open man down low. It’s not rocket science, ffs.
Finally Finally someone agrees. Mix the point shot weapon in with close 2 on 1 magic…
Greetings fellow H I/O spazzes,
I just uploaded the schedule for December – it’s on this page:
I save it to my hard drive then upload it to my desktop for the background so I don’t forget to PVR the games out here in BC.
I just switched from ExpressVu to Telus Optik TV and I’m paying an extra $5 per month to get the RDS feed (and 50 other channels in francais that I don’t need)
I’m beginning to wonder if I should cancel the divertissment package and pocket the $5 after last night.
I don’t blame anyone in particular. They’re playing the hand they’re dealt. However, at what point will management try to right the ship before this season is done?
Much to my surprise, the techno wiz who creates the calendars has sent management a message with his latest work. He’s created the ultimate sniper warrior with heart.
If only Cammy/Darche could be put into a capsule and merged for us for real!
One can dream, as this season turns into a nightmare!
Spats (the biggest Spaz) out!
OOH AAH – HABS ON THE WARPATH!
About last night. Ten notes, you guys have covered the train wreck already quite well.
1. The game was there for the winning. We had a 1-0 lead, came out skating, Ducks were tentative… then we blew 3 power plays in a row late in the first and of course the Ducks scored. (By the way Buddah was fine, I could not fault him on any of the goals).
2. In the 3rd period, down 3-1, we had another power play. Hagman, in HABS zone, tied the puck up by himself against THREE Habs, with another Hab watching, for at least 10-12 seconds. That pretty much says it all. We can’t battle for the puck 3 guys against one?
3. STUPID penalties. Sometimes, in the defensive zone, you have to take a penalty. Not these. PK trips Selanne when he doesn’t have the puck. What the f is that? Moen, who is either an idiot or a moron, I can’t decide, cross checks Koivu on the back, away from the play, in front of the ref. What the f is that? And so on…
4. We had a little bad luck, one Ducks goal came from PK stepping on a broken stick behind our net. It happens, but we don’t seem able to work through any adversity at all.
5. On our first period goal, Plecks made a Denis-Savard like spinorama pass the AK one-timed beautifully. After that, AK pretty much disappeared. Someone should tell him the game is 60 minutes.
6. I was in the 4th row in the corner, and there were about 4 babes in the 2nd row. TWICE Eric Cole came over during face-offs to check them out. It was pretty funny.
7. PK makes a beautiful first pass, crisp, decisive, some zip on it. But someone needs to take a walk in the woods with him and do a little mentoring, and it ain’t Gill, who is softer than the stuff I add to my laundry, for all his size. Why the hell do we not have a coach for the defense? Was Rick Green so bad? Why couldn’t Larry do that? Or would he just be considered a threat by the head coach… it’s very frustrating.
8. Saku and Selanne are on a string with each other. Oh that they had played together in their prime (outside of Olympics). Saku won most of his face-offs, drew two penalties, their line was just as good as the Getzlaf line.
9. Leblanc played with some zip, got into it with Fowler a bit. Obviously it is his first game, he played with energy but a little like no one had really told him what to do.
10. Moustaches… hockey players have go to let go of the 70’s porn star moustaches. Please. Hiller has one, thank god Price lost his. Lanny McDonald and Mike McPhee can have moustaches. It’s horrifying.
Summary. We could have won that game if we had kept the pressure on the Ducks and scored another in the first period. We are soft, small, tentative, not physical.
You can see Getzlaf’s and Koivu’s lines making quick, short, snappy passes to each other, very quickly, 3, 4, 5 in a row in about 5 seconds. Habs connect on two passes and dump it in, then they can’t get it back.
I was done with Martin before last night. I am beyond done with him now. Gionta was invisible. I thought Weber and Diaz were ok. Emelin is going to be good, he at least will hit someone.
Even though Ducks have had problems you can see the individual skill. You don’t see it on as many players on Habs. That’s the bottom line.
We have good kids in the pipeline, we must not rush them. We need to dump the expensive vets who are not carrying their weight and create cap space to extend PK and Price, and create opportunity for the future. I hate to say it on December first, but we are not going to make the playoffs if we play like last night very often.
Pathetic and sad.
OK Ok Ok….everyone needs cheering up……here’s Higgins running Chara
This took stones…. the kind of stones we could use on our team.
Wait until Chara “Hockey Plays” Higgins.
Which we used to have on our team.
Classless Mattyleg…repeating rumors.
Not really rumours, mi amigo…
And I probably should have drawn a little smiley-face à la 🙂 to indicate my light-heartedness.
Sorry…not in the best mood today.. stayed up late, game started at 11pm here in halifax. Just tired of seeing them put in a such a poor performance…I really thought when AK46 scored last night i was doing the right thing by cracking a beer at 11pm….BUT No……
Not communicating the best myself today either.
Accidentally picked a fight with my g/f by text because I didn’t adjust my tone accordingly.
Ehhhhh, live and don’t learn…
Crack a beer before the start of the first tonight, bud. Might help numb things!
Here is my assessment of the season. When you are playing like the team is now, where the coach isn’t getting the best out of his players (like Boudreau), then you either:
1 – replace the coach
2 – resign yourself to a lost season and “play” for a high draft pick.
Which one are we?
John Daly put 6 balls in a row in the water at the Australien Open walk to is partner sake hand and drive aways , wish Martin and Gomez would do that
my vote is both. Gives the new coach hopefully a good new player.
-Subban being replaced by Plekanec on the first PP.
-Eller being thrown on the wing when Gomez comes back (He didn’t even celebrate his SH goal a few games ago).
-Price who was always too cool for school is becoming noticeably more agitated at the end of games.
-Placing Weber on the 4th line and leaving St-Denis on defence.
-Not using Cole on the shootout on a night where he was on fire. (vs buffalo)
-Benching or demoting players after small mistakes
-With Pacioretty out, instead of changing 2 lines, he juggles all 4.
-Darche infront of the net on PP, even though he can’t finish or get the garbage goals we need.
-Using Gomez in the final minute of games.
JM has no confidence in his team and they have no confidence in him. Its time for JM to go.
The habs will never purposely tank to get high draft picks.
to Higman re Culture in California
There is no cultural difference between the teams beyond what is the team culture as created by management. I am most familiar with the Kings, as my kid is in their development system.
They are very strict in terms of image, even the young players (I would say 12 and up) wear white shirts and ties to games, all, including the youngest, wear the team jackets/coach pants/logo bags once they reach the travel team level.
In terms of Habs, and NHL teams – the days of French/English I think are gone. Look at LeCavalier — did he ever really want to play here? When even the French-Canadian players are hesitant to play in Montreal, why do we give a rat’s ass what the media think beyond basic courtesy that you would exercise in any language – merci, bonjour, salut… — look at any line up, you’ve got Finns, Russians, Swedes, Americans, Quebecois, farm boys from Saskatchewan… to me that is fantastic, it proves how great the game is and ensures a wide pool of talent and fans.
Soccer and F1 don’t give a rat’s ass where coaches and talent come from. Satan spawn Schumacher, a German, drove for Ferrari – as did my personal hero Niki Lauda — once they decided they wanted to win more than they wanted to be Italian, they made it happen.
To me it is more important to have a coach / players who understand the tradition and standard of excellence in Montreal. Unfortunately, we have tried that and it has not really worked, most recently Carbo and Gainey. The way I feel after last night I would take Carbo back in a heartbeat.
In summary, the important culture is the discipline and effort and sacrifice needed to win, that being competitive for the cup is what matters, not crawling into the playoffs and hoping our goalie will help sell some extra beer. Until that happens, from the top down, we are pretty much f*cked.
English is the language of the NHL.
Money is the language of the NHL.
Haha they deleted my non-sensical post!
Well yes, Matty you are quite right, money speaks the loudest, but terms are negotiated in english!
Je le sais bien.
Love the ferrari example. Ferrari’s formula for success was a german driver (schumacher), a french general manager (jean todt), and a british technical director (ross brawn). What did that combo bring? oh i dunno, 5 consecutive world championships?
Did the italians care that all the top talent werent italians? NOPE! Amazing the effect winning has on people.
Take a lesson geoff Molson! Enough with the french, time to go for the best front office talent, period!
LA – “who understand the tradition and standard of excellence in Montreal”.
That’s part of the problem that this team (and it’s fans) are facing. There hasn’t been a level of excellence for close to 20 years now. The great traditions of the Habs? A distant memory. In fact, it’s an albatross that hangs around the team’s neck.
Truth be told, we’re just another NHL team struggling to tread water in a 30 team league.
Here’s something more worth ranting about than losing streaks.
They are opening a David’s Tea on St.Viateur in my hood.
First, it’s a chain and I hate chains. Second, their tea sucks. They hide the fact that it’s 3rd rate tea with all kinds of stupid flavourings (like carrot cake – the world needed carrot cake flavoured tea did it?).
And I’m not a tea snob*.
(* Like the person in Beijing who, after I asked her where I could get good tea there, said “you can’t – you have to go to Fujian province and buy Iron Goddess of Mercy oolong tea directly from a grower” … Fujian is 2000km from Beijing).
You mean Davids Thé.
… man, is St. Viateur all hip now? I lived near St. Laurent and St. Viateur in the 80’s and the best things were of course the St. Viateur bagels, Luxe, and being able to get Souvlaki/pita at 3 am… I guess Luxe was the first hipster place, then whiskey bar… with the fountain that everyone thought was a urinal….
Those were the days… and the Habs didn’t suck, either.
St.Viateur is hipster central.
For the best tea in town go to Esprithé…
The franchise has nine regulation wins, 10 in total, in 25 games. They have one win in the 11 games where they have given up three or more goals. Those are hallmarks of a not good team. And they are not a good team. Half the roster does not belong in the NHL or is learning on the job with no margin for error. That is entirely the fault of a GM who was evidently unaware that he was in charge of an NHL team and not an AHL team.
Due to mediocrity of the entire league, Montreal is still in the hunt for a playoff spot. Welcome to the NHL where it does not matter if you have Gomez or Overchkin on your first line, you are always in the mix.
Montreal is incabable of winning enough to contend or losing enough to rebuild. The franchise is in permanent hockey limbo. Fans should be grateful that management does not blame them for the poor home record and punish them by raising beer prices to $20 a cup.
Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.
$20 a cup- don’t give em any ideas
Habs lose to one of the worst teams in the league and then that team fires their coach…………..? Why isn’t JM getting fired? I am so sick of watch his boring system that he puts on the ice every night! Enough already………….I’m Done with JM!
Carlyle would have been fired whatever the results, I’d say it was already decided before the game.
Which is why the Ducks played better than they did all last month.
Habs never get a break.
Sure…..not really my point though, JM in my mind is doing equally as bad as Carlyle, I know there are injuries but the team is still decent. I really think that they aren’t playing with the same intensity for JM as they have in the past.
And enough with putting Weber on the 4th and Darche on the PP………..They don’t belong in those positions!
We fired Carbo if I’m not mistaken after a win against Dallas??? talk about ironic. I’d much rather have JM fired and hire Randy for our coach!!!
“To you from failing hands we throw the torch. Be it yours to hold high.”
Dear JM, i offer you my assistance for free:
-PK cannot play the top point. cant hit the side of a barn from there. Needs to set up shop at top of LH circle and stay there. if stamkos can score 50 from the same spot, why cant pk score 10 from there?
-Pleks can stay on the right point if you tell him to shoot. no threat of a shot from the blue line and your pp is doomed.
-a big guy (cole/max) plays down low on right side. simple drive to the net from the goal line if the room is there or pass to pleks on the half boards. no more little saucer passes out front in hopes someone bats it outta the air.
-the only way darsh should be out on the pp is if he sits himself at the top of the crease. that is all. eller or even moen could probably get in the way even better. in fact, just take darsh off the pp
-no pp for cammy unless markov is on the ice. no one can get him the perfect pass for the one timer – and lets face it, thats all cammy has goin for him.
-gionta can play if you tell him to hit the net. maybe shorten up the windup on the shot brian….if i had a nickel for every time a d man got a stick on a gionta shot, i would have a pocket full of nickels
-no pp for gorges. he needs a break once in a while. i’d rather see spacek. he used to have a pretty good slapper didnt he?
-tell your players they need 5 shots per PP. they can be soft but have to get to the goalie.
all for now….will get to the other superstars on the team later
I have no advice for the PK…except maybe to get gill a cage for his helmet. its just a matter of time before he gets a puck to the nose while swimming in front of the net
Ask yourself: What is sustained pressure and how can i go about getting it?
Even in games where they dominate, they don’t really sustain pressure inside the offensive zone for very long. They get in, get a decent scoring chance (due to speed), goalie makes a save, and then the puck is dumped out. Habs retreat, gain puck possession and repeat the previous sequence. Very rarely are their long periods of play within the offensive zone with multiple shots.
In this league, you need to get follow up chances… goalies usually make the first save.
How does a team win and fire their coach, and we lose and Ears McGee is still behind the bench tonight. I know that we are a patient franchise, but this is ridiculous. 3 shots in the third…and you want a team to buy into that system? Brutal.
Enough already! Time for the Molsons to step up to the plate and start to build what they promised to build when they bought the team. Fire PG and JM. Hire Pierre McGuire as GM- let’s face it, he does know the league the players and he knows the juniors- and rehire Carbo to coach- the team still has him on the payroll- and see what happens. Better than the status quo.
Let’s face it, Pierre McGuire knows the league, the players and juniors? Are you kidding me?
Based on what exactly? Him reading a script that Scott Cullen prepared for him at TSN?
Pierre McGuire scares the hell out of me.
I keep having flashbacks of Matt Millen’s tenure with the Detroit Lions.
The thing that scares me the most about Pierre isn’t how annoying he is, or how much he does/doesn’t know. It would be total media ZOO with him. He’s quite the attention whore. Like Burke, but without the background of having at least built/been involved in a few winning teams.
Plus, he’s incredibly annoying.
His call on the Eberle goal with 5.4 seconds left in semi-final game vs Russia in 2009 has to be one of the worst calls, ever, in any sport. Miller nailed it with a great ‘can you believe it’ while the crowd was losing its mind, and Pierre stepped in…
Pierre *King of revisionism* McGuire?
No thanks…..no thanks.
Being negative has its advantages,
you’re never disappointed.
When someone pulls out the “hire Pierre McGuire” rant, I have to attribute it to McGuire himself posting here. Get used to being a commentator, Pierre. No one in the NHL with any brains will hire you.
So we are mostly playing with an AHL lineup with a few veterens. So we should fire the management and get a different result. Or trade the vets for draft picks and get only franophone management.
We hate our scouts and trade all our good prospects. What’s a fan to do.We have a ton of GM’s and coach’s on this site. Why doesn’t the owners see this. Just listen to us and the cup will follow.
I disagree, I don’t think we have a “AHL” team.
Markov (tonight?) -Emelin
Gill-Weber / Diaz / Spacek (when he returns)
The team is solid, they aren’t the problem. Its time for a change of mentality and that starts with a new coach.
Just putting it out there…but I’ll coach if they want. I speak french and I can fill out a line up card. The dollar store has those fancy note pads that JM is always writing in. I look good in a suit and love to travel. I’d park gomez in the press box and not use Pleks on the point during the powerplay. CFarey would always start when we really need a win… and diaz’s time would be reduce to the 7th defenceman he is. Anyone have Gauthier’s number…anyone…..hello…
I’d offer my services as well. I can be the assistant coach, for half the money. I can bring to the team all decisions made by HIO fans on this page 🙂
Mediocre teams work at their best; teams seeking excellence strive to do better.
Very cool, but you’ll have to love pizza.. cause when we bury #11 salary in the minors we’re having $7 million dollar pizza party.
Pretty whacked out suggestions here today and many extremes that simply won’t be implemented. Though I entirely understand the angst I don’t recommend panic.
and sure is funny watching the pack lose their minds over what?
Hurry up and wait.
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Since we’re all in such a happy mood, I thought I’d add to the fun. Below is a list of players who were drafted within one or two picks of our draft slots (or a few of our own) in the NHL Entry Drafts from 2001 to 2008:
Milan Lucic-Claude Giroux-Jeff Carter
Max Pacioretty-Tomas Plekanec-David Backes
Tuomo Ruutu-Artem Anisimov-Troy Brouwer
Lauri Korpikoski-Darren Helm-Tim Jackman
Mark Streit-P.K. Subban
Ryan McDonagh-Dennis Seidenberg
Alexei Yemelin-Ryan O’Byrne
All for the cost of $52.9 million, leaving over 11 million in cap space. You can look up each of these guys and their draft position and find a Habs draft pick taken one or two spots ahead of them.
I usually don’t bemoan our draft record, but looking at what this roster could be hurts a bit. I mean, just look at all those delicious power forwards we could have had…
Link to the roster is here: http://bit.ly/uyYYHY
And with lord martin coaching we would be still the same junk on ice..
Or you can have a team like the Ducks, loaded with talent, yet still at the bottom of the standing.
Looking at their D they aren’t loaded with talent.
They have 3-4 talented forwards.
I’m sure 30 other teams in the NHL would have a similar if not better looking lineup than that if they never made a draft mistake.
yes 30, they’d include another team in the NHL just to prove a point.
What a dreamer…everyone drafts where the players are slotted by central scouting. The only time you should say that a GM made a great choice is when you draft someone that is ranked alot lower than you picked the player. Otherwise it’s all luck.
No, that would be a horrible choice. If you truly want an undervalued player, the best thing to do is to trade down in the draft. That way, you get the player you want + bonus assets.
yeah, we know. it happens to every team.
bitching about it is like bitching about the weather.
Hindsight is 20/20. Drafting 18 and 19 year olds is a crap shoot, save for the top 3. And even then, there’s Wickenheiser and Daigle, right?
Got to say, lots of doom and gloomers on here today.
My choice for next head coach of the Habs.
What do you mean next coach… that is who we have now.
what happen to all the coverage of Louis Lebanc – how did he look lastnight? Yesterday there was 4 columes of him here and today I came back and there was ZERO – so am assuming he was slacking on ice?
He is playing tonight?
Carey Price #31
He played all of 7 minutes on the third/fourth line. No power play opportunity (not even the 6th one of the night, when all hope seemed lost) and was not put in a position to do anything remarkable.
GO HABS GO! 2011-12 is our year!
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I need to change my vote. I don’t think I’ll be staying up late tonight after what I saw last night. (and for me in NB its even later!).
If another big move is going to be made it needs to be wholesale change. A lot of people seem to believe that the Kovalev, Koivu, big ufa year was a house cleaning. It wasn’t. A house cleaning involves a change in philosophy. And that starts at the Team President or General Manager position.
And if that’s going to happen. You go strictly with youth and a small handful of veterans.
You know what you have with the veterans. Cammalleri and Gomez will crap the bed in the regular season and show up in the playoffs. Gionta and Cole will work their tails off and lead by example. Gill and Gorges will hold the team accountable for their play and behaviour.
So. Keep Gorges and Gill, keep Gionta and Cole. And purge the vets that you know have hit the wall.
Plekanec, Cammalleri, Gomez, Darche and Spacek.
Keep the young talented core and give them more responsibility.
Eller, Desharnais, Kostitsyn, Pacioretty, Subban, Emelin, Price.
Bring up the young kids that you don’t have a good feel for yet.
Avtsin, Leblanc, Palushaj, Fortier, St.Denis.
Evaluate from this point forward. Find out who has heart and wants to get better and get rid of those who don’t at the deadline and off-season.
Avtsin and Leblanc are not ready for the show Tom. They can be very good but dropping them into the NHL reeks of bad development. Fortier and St. Denis haven’t shown anything yet that they are able to play in the NHL. And Plekanec has not hit any walls.
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Of course they aren’t ready. But you can’t keep trending in this direction and giving them some full time work with the big club will reveal if they can elevate their respective games in the face of adversity.
St. Denis has been better than both Diaz and Weber.
As far as Plekanec goes. I like him. Always have. But we need to stop pretending that he’s something that he’s not. He is by no means a number one centreman in the NHL. He’s elite defensively and above average offensively with a skillset and supporting cast that should allow him to produce more. He isn’t because there’s no viable alternative for the coaching staff. That illustrates a lack of dedication.
Slow development has worked a lot better for the organization than trial by fire for unprepared players. I can’t agree with this.
Plekanec gets overworked every night taking every tough assignment because that’s how JM uses him every year, runs him into the ground and uses him as a cure-all. NO ONE in the NHL works as hard as Tomas Plekanec does in a defensive role and is even considered to lack dedication to what they’re doing or to their team.
No one in the NHL works as hard as Plekanec in the defensive zone. See him skating lazily toward his man who buried the Ducks’ first goal last night by any chance?
Jonathan Toews, Pavel Datsyuk, Jason Pominville, Patrice Bergeron, Mike Richards, Martin St.Louis, Sidney Crosby, Ryan Callahan, Antoine Vermette, Joe Pavelski, Saku Koivu, Shane Doan, Ryan Kesler, Shawn Horcoff, Mikko Koivu, Paul Stastny.
Can we please not get into who works harder than who.
Pleks is our best centre by leaps and bounds and I 100% agree he is over worked. We have a huge issue at Centre and with Gomez basically vanishing we are in even more trouble. Gomez at 60 points or even 50 plus would help us big time and I hate to say it but he is done. The size of our top 6 needs help DD, Cammy and Gio are all good but cannot all be on the same team and it was evident last night. They are getting grinded down.
It is absolutely ridiculous to accuse high-end defensive forwards of lacking dedication Tom, just quit, please. It is the opposite of how they must perform their duties and you won’t find a single credible NHL writer who would consider Plekanec not to be a dedicated defensive forward. Plekanec just works as hard as anyone you named, they all have bad nights in the NHL from time to time.
Of course he works hard Robert. But the number of players in the NHL that work hard greatly outnumbers the amount who don’t.
You’ve become highly speculative and that’s funny considering how much you used to jump all over people who were when I first came to this site.
This team needs an overhaul. Overworked or not, Plekanec isn’t what people here make him out to be.
So your answer is to absolutely clear out the team’s centre depth? Look what no able-bodied Cs are doing for the freakin’ Winnipeg Jets.
Plekanec should stay on, to accuse him of lacking dedication is ridiculous. He does whatever the team asks him to do, without complaint and with everything he’s got. Even if the team is rebuilding, it would help if we brought in a top prospect C who we didn’t throw to the meat grinder and make him a 1C right away in the NHL.
Oh my goodness. Can you see where this thing is going?
They are headed downward. We can debate all day the reasons for it and whether or not it will turn around but at the end of the day Plekanec is a second line centreman. If this organization can turn that asset into something special long term, it shouldn’t hesitate. That’s what I’m saying. And yes, he works hard, but in fairness. He quite often does lack dedication and my statement is no more outrageous than yours saying that he does whatever the team asks of him. You have no idea what they ask of him behind closed doors. None. K?
“Please Tomas, lead the team in TOI on the PK amongst forwards, lead the team in scoring and if it’s not too much trouble, match up against every top line in the NHL since no one else can handle the task.”
Which he does. He’s not even 30 yet and he’s had 5 straight 20-goal seasons, not a like of players can say they have that. You have got to be the only person here who thinks Pleks lacks dedicatation to the team and his position as well.
Robert. Gionta works hard, Eller, Gill, Gorges, Subban, Pacioretty. Other than Cammalleri and Kostitsyn there’s rarely an instance where a player on this team doesn’t work hard.
I don’t see excuses being made for these players that they’re overworked. And speaking of your point about Plekanec v. the opposition’s best.
Eller has been given that responsibility just as much if not more than Plekanec during home games this season.
That argument is innaccurate.
And by the way. Working hard doesn’t seem to work as an excuse for Gomez. Give it up.
Get of Pleks? No. The only reason he’s “hit the wall” is that he’s overplayed, cause he’s one of the few who bring it every night.
Other than that, I agree.
Get rid of Pleks? What you been smokin’, mon?
Tom, Agree with this strategy. I too would consider dealing Plex if the upside was high enough from a team that felt they were a C away from going all the way come the deadline. The only vet I would retain in addition to those you mentioned is Moen since we are so short on players who can hit and fight while still being able to play the PK pretty well, stay healthy/in the lineup, pot a few goals now n again, and skate reasonably well for a big man. Maybe Conboy and Tinordi will assume those roles someday but sounds like they are at least a couple of years away, best case.
OMG how did we lose that one? When are they finally going to fire JM. I feel this team isnt trying hard enough. Things can be better around here and I Wish It would change now! we need to start winning some games here or otherwise we can say goodbye to this season and look forward to next… seriously its so hard
I keep saying I am not going to keep up with the Habs and not watch them for awhile but its so hard ahaha.
Why the heck would anyone want to fire a guy who wears sweaters like these?
I did not watch the 3rd period against Philly and last night against Anaheim. I am not watching another habs game this year until Jacques Martin and/or Pierre Goucher are fired. I encourage fellow Habs/Inside Out posters to do the same. It is the only thing we can do to get change in this team, hurt their bottom line do not buy any merch. and don’t give TSN, RDS, CBC TV ratings. Do I still love the Habs of course and I always will but this is the only thing we as fans can do to stop this mediocrity. I will not watch any more games until this club gets serious about winning the Stanley Cup again and not just making money Mr. Molson.
– Robert J.
The Scott Gomez line………..where wingers go to die.
carefull jumping off the bandwagon, you might break an ankle.
I don’t seem to recall myself saying I was jumping off the bandwagon or not a Habs fan still. In fact if I could quote myself “I still love the Habs of course and I always will” People like you are why the team sucks right now. The fans in Anaheim, Tampa Bay, Pitt., Boston, Chicago, Washington all go away when their hockey team sucks this translates to less money for the owner who in turn has to do something different to make his money ie changing the team on the ice. But here in Montreal it’s the opposite the fans will still go to every game, buy merch, watch the games yet the product will never get better than just slightly above average.
So you ” still love the Habs of course and I always will””, but only when they win? You exemplify the exact meaning of bandwagon jumper.
So because I still support the team and watch the games, in good times and bad times, its all my fault, wow that’s amazing logic. I guess you are right, we should the show rest of the league what great fans we are by not watching anymore of the games.
Look, you do what you want to in your spare time, and I’ll do what I want to do with mine. Boycotts like the one your plannning is fine. Good luck getting hockey-mad fans like myself to stop watching, talking and posting about the Habs.
I didn’t say stop talking or posting just watching the games on TV or listening on the radio.
Fans watch or listen to the games themselves. All this posting would be kind of stale without seeing what’s going on during games.
I wonder if the habs have thought about putting Subban at centre? He has speed, has a genuine thirst for scoring, he isnt averse to crashing and banging like the other Habs centremen. Makes more sense than Plekanec on the point.
[Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.
Sure and we could put Price at right and bring Gill on the left.
And Price on his wing. They seem to have chemistry. Then we move Diaz and Weber to forwards with our biggest player, Gill, as their centre so he can fire seeing eye passes to take advantage of their speed. Oh, and when Max is back we pair him with Cole on D and resolve our long standing issues of not having enough big D men.
Hey Cat, I think this may work. We don’t need new players, just rearrange the seating chart 😉
No need to put forwards on D, theres enough depth on D in my mind. Just saying, the habs are thin at centre, its a problem and it will continue to be a problem. When I first said put Desharnais with Cole and that itd work, everybody ridiculed that also ^_^.
Washington fires Boudreau, the hopelessly inept loser, and Anaheim responds by firing Carlyle and snapping up Boudreau. Musical chairs anyone?
Only in the NHL does a Man get fired & the next day or two have another job.
If only it was like that in the real world.
“If you’re not the TOP DAWG, the view never changes”
BRING BACK HALAK!!!
to carry Price’s pads?
to back up Carey Price YEAH!
We have almost 28M tied up in players that aren’t producing at all. [Gomez, Gionta, Cammy, Markov, Spacek]
What’s the biggest problem here? Is it the coach, the players or injuries?
I’m guessing it’s some combination of of the three, but tend to lean towards the problem being an expensive core of overpaid and undersized players. Gomez, Gionta and Cammy have become our secondary scoring, and unlike secondary scoring on most teams, they are expensive and don’t bring a physical element to the game when they are not producing on the score sheet.
Of course, any answer is speculative because we haven’t seen this team play with a healthy line-up.
To hope JM is fired, one has to assume a new coach would get more out of Gionta and Cammy, and would overcome having the other 17M in the press box. That’s “Perry+Getzlaf+Visnovsky” money on the sideline. I just don’t see a coaching candidate that would get a lot more out of this group.
Unless they go on a nasty losing streak, i think management will wait and give JM a shot with a healthy line-up.
I could see something like this happening:
– By Christmas: the team should be reasonably healthy and comfortable playing with line mates.
– Christmas to early February: If they’re playing well and comfortably above .500, they will be in the playoff hunt and JM will stay. If they hover close to .500, JM will be fired.
– Early Feb to trade deadline: If JM is fired, the new coach will help PG evaluate the roster. Changes are more likely if the new coach can’t turn things around.
Is it time to fire another assistant coach?
Did we suck last night or did we suck last night? Wow. How sad. The Habs have been the same since they last won the cup: mediocre at best. As die-hard fans we keep arguing who should be traded, or fired, or sent to the farm or drafted, etc etc. But I really don’t think the problem is just tactical….but rather strategic. ie: attitude/approach/culture need adjusting.
As I have said before, and I know some of my fellow Habs fans agree, we can’t set our goal as making the playoffs. Sqeaking by, winning occasional games (mostly one-goal games) does not cut it. Frankly, when was the last time we dominated a season or even a great portion of a season? Granted it doesn’t need to happen all the time but it does need to happen. When was the last time we had a 50- or even a 40-goal scorer? 20 years ago? When was the last time we picked good prospects and worked with them to develop them into excellent players? When was the last time we didn’t have to totally rely on our poor goalies to drive us through the year? Should we be just happy that we’ve won it all a record 24 times???
To me the most important era is the last almost 20 years because it’s been that long since we won the cup. Our history is glorious? Of course it is, and I get goosebumps when I think about it however past glory and players don’t get us anything NOW!
We are in desperate need of revamping our strategy or we’ll always remain a “has been” type of team.
The current team is not inspired, motivated, coached, or hungry enough. Will it change with the firing of our mgt team? Will it change by pulling the trigger on a trade? In my humble opinion we need more than just one move.
By christmas with lord martin as coach most of us on here will be in AA.
I have a bad feeling about tonights game…. 6-2 Sharks could be what the score is.
3-2 Habs tonight. Price standing on his head with team sitting back protecting one goal lead. Gill sprawled along the ice to block cross crease passes.
care to bet?
Sure, why not? If I lose I will say something positive about the Habs. 🙂
sure and if they win… I will say something nice about lord martin.
yes they our.
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