Boston was better

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It pains Canadiens fans to admit it, but in Games 2 and 3 the Bruins have looked like a team headed to the Stanley Cup finals – and capable of making some noise once they get there.

The Lightning were shut out in their own Barn and face a must-win Game 4 on Saturday afternoon.

Bruins tighten screws and gain confidence

• Arpon Basu on Pierre Boivin

Stephen Brunt: Thrashers to Winnipeg

Quebec City still waiting

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Nieuwndyk has talked to Muller (and others) about Dallas job

445 Comments

  1. CHsam says:

    Hi everyone ! Hope yall doing well.

    Just wanted to post another late night ramble.

    I can’t believe I read posts about trading Subban or Price earlier today…….. I hope those who are advocating this are just joking. Players of such quality don’t grow on trees overnight. We may be lacking in some departments, but we have have several aces in our hand. Subban, Price…. Eller !….. maybe even Tinordi ? or Emelin ?

    Of course we all have a lot to bitch about on HIO. Gomez or whoever else is not Gomez. In any case, if we are still Habs fans, I think we should know that management probably know a great deal more than an average fan/ranter knows… probably knows more than Pierre McGuire knows……. and so I have hope for the next few years. The goal is to win he cup. And if it means doing that with the team we have…. then so be it.

  2. Everlasting1 says:

    Cherry is fond of big sticks.

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    ” That the Sons of God saw the daughters of man, that they were fair and took them wives all of which they chose.” – Genesis 6:2

    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

  3. 9the rocket says:

    so HabFanSince72 does that mean you think yemelin ain’t making the team? Cause I do not see the wiz in the habs future.

    I am a habs fan, players will come and go but the habs are forever.

  4. Mark C says:

    Zanette and Palushaj (I’m driving the bandwagon) have early goals and the Bulldogs are up 2-0, half way done in the first.

    Here’s a stream: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/pisf

  5. RobertAlanFord says:

    At least we can say that we were the only ones that went to the last drop with a cup finalist. I’m proud of that.

  6. Sean Bonjovi says:

    Memorial Cup starts tonight. If anybody’s got any info on the other teams in the tournament I’d like to hear it, but I’ll tell you what I know about the Saint John Sea Dogs.

    Their goaltending is pretty good but not spectacular. That’s their biggest weakness. Their next biggest concern is that two of their better players (Zach Phillips and Steven Anthony) got hurt in the LHJMQ final and might not play, or might be playing hurt. That is all. With a healthy lineup the Sea Dogs have three good scoring lines, a tough fourth line and a deep group of defencemen.

    Notes for Habs fans:
    Nathan Beaulieu and Jonathan Huberdeau will be long gone before the Canadiens pick in the draft, But there are some other draft eligible players to keep an eye on.

    #7 Zach Phillips – Can’t see him being available when the Canadians pick in the first round, but if they get him I’ll be unbearably happy . Keep in mind that if he plays tonight he might not be 100% healthy.

    #13 Tomas Jurco – 6 footer with Amazing hands! rated to go in the first round.

    #19 Ryan Tesink is a skill guy and #15 Scott Oke Is a big winger. These guys could be 3rd or 4th round picks.

    *Ville Leino would make Sergei Samsonov look like Alex Kovalev *

    • Ron says:

      Zach is playing tonight as per news here in Saint John.

      • Sean Bonjovi says:

        Front page of the telegraph. Just saw it, good call.

        * Ville Leino would make Sergei Samsonov look like Alex Kovalev *

      • habs365 says:

        you can point out the real Habs fans on this site….they’re the one’s who don’t be little other habs fans..real hab fans won’t do that…..

        Ian is a good example….seems like a real sensible guy

        • Ron says:

          Who’s belittling who ? I miss something.

          • Sean Bonjovi says:

            Nobody, I don’t think. Unless he was talking to me, then I still don’t understand. Maybe it was a reply meant to a different post.

            P.S. DeSerres makes me nervous. (I’ll cross my fingers and hope that you’re not Jacob DeSerres’ billet, or his uncle or something)

            * Ville Leino would make Sergei Samsonov look like Alex Kovalev *

        • Mike D says:

          This coming from you, habs365?!?! You gotta be kidding me! Laughable considering earlier today you lipped off another poster here about how much you know about hockey and said something to the effect of you had spent more time in skates than they had in shoes.

          Get real.

          You are correct about Ian though so I’ll give you credit for that much. He truly is a super guy.

          – Honestly yours

    • Ian Cobb says:

      What are the names of the coaches for the Sea Dogs. I believe I billeted one of them at my home when he played in junior. Unless he has moved on.

      • Ron says:

        Ian, the head coach is Gerard Gallant ( Played Detroit Red Wings ) from PEI
        Asst: Greg Leland, Marc Hussey, Mike Kelly, Yvon Vautour ( Saint John born ) played his carer with New Jersey Devils

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      Jurco is someone I liked earlier in the year, his puck skills are off the charts among junior players but he’s not kicking out the points like you would expect, I’m concerned he’d be too much flash, not enough hard work. Phillips could farther back, concerns are he is getting a lot of help in the stats column b/c he plays for Saint John.

      Still, could be players. Nothing’s a guarantee in the draft in reality and many can break out.

      – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

      • Sean Bonjovi says:

        Half my post got cut off and that half got posted twice. I give up.

      • Sean Bonjovi says:

        I’ll try this again. You express reasonable concerns IMO. Here’s what I think of these guys:

        1. Huberdeau > Phillips > Louis Leblanc

        2. Tomas Jurco scores BIG goals that change games!

        I think there is something to the theory that point totals are inflated because these players play for a good team. They Sea Dogs score a lot of goals and that sometimes leads to even more goals. The fat shooting percentages their top forwards have might also suggest a lot of tap-in goals that don’t happen without good line mates. I think Zach Phillips is Far more than just a passenger on Huberdeau’s line though.

        * Ville Leino would make Sergei Samsonov look like Alex Kovalev *

      • issie74 says:

        SF09…I googled mock draft 2011…they have Zach Phillips 25th overall.

  7. HabsFan2 says:

    @LA Loyalist

    “apparently after his recent election loss Dryden stood on a street corner in Toronto with a “thank you” sign.”

    I wonder if he really wanted a sign that read F-you? lol

    I’ve got a couple of decent stories about, Orr & Sanderson, Phil Esposito, Robinson, and Cournoyer’s wife.

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    RIP- K.C. – Jan.28, 1993 – May 19, 2011

  8. BigBird says:

    HardHabit : Wow, I’m guessing that you are unemployed and have no life by ALL the posts you have EVERY day ALL day long. Do you really need to post EVERY 5 or 10 minutes? Get out and enjoy some fresh air. Make some friends. Get a woman. Or go troll other websites. I don’t mind reading your posts from time to time but please take a break once in a while. This is a good site but posters like you make it annoying as we all know you are not a Habs fan. I know there are plenty of other trolls on here but you are just over the top.
    Just offering some friendly advice!

  9. Ian Cobb says:

    SUMMIT INFORMATION

    I received two letters pertaining to our Annual Hockey Inside Out Fan Weekend Summit. One from Anna Gainey thanking us for our donation of $1200 again this past year to the Gainey Children’s Foundation. Hockey Inside Out Hab Fans have now raised over $5000 in total for this charity. We are a very generous group!

    I also received a letter from Reg Houle thanking us for our continued support. And that he will see us all at next years Summit

    And below I received a letter reminding us that the dates for our next years Summit will be out at the end of July. I will pick the best dates that gives us a game Friday at Hurley’s and Saturday at the Bell Center.
    (give me your suggestions, early in the season or later ?)

    So pay attention to the site so you do not miss out on 2012 Summit tickets that have to be paid and ordered well in advance.
    Some disappointed HIO people missed out on tickets last year because they were on summer vacation when we collected for the tickets and ordered them.

    I will repost this a few more times so more people will be informed.

    Dear Mr. Cobb,

    On behalf of the entire Canadiens organization, I would like to thank you for your support during this past hockey season. Gathering a group of fans for a game at the Bell Centre requires a lot of time on the part of the group organizer. To that end, your involvement is greatly appreciated.

    Though our playoff run was unfortunately too short, it was nevertheless exciting from start to finish. Pierre Gauthier and his team are already planning for next season and we feel we can build on a solid core of promising young players and talented veterans.

    At the end of July, we will forward to you the official home game calendar for the 2011-12 season and all the details regarding group sales and our ice rental programs. The information will also be available at the same time on our Web site, canadiens.com.

    I would like to take this opportunity to wish you a great summer – I’m looking forward to seeing you in September. Until then, please do not hesitate to communicate with me or our group sales team.

    Regards,

    Pierre Constant
    Director, Group Sales
    Club de hockey Canadien

    • secretdragonfly says:

      Ian, that is awesome, you da man! Count us in, early or late in the season, doesn’t matter, we’ll be there with bells on (not literally).

      • Ian Cobb says:

        Summit would not be the same with out both of you there dragonfly.

        Dave Stubbs told me he is going to line up some players to hang out with us this year.

    • GrimJim says:

      Ian, my preference is to keep it around the same time as the past Summits, a November weekend works great for me.

      I’m also tempted to just send you a money order now and say “To heck with the date, I’ll be there. Give me the best ticket this amount buys and give any extra to the Gainey Foundation.”

      See you at the 2011 Summit.

    • punkster says:

      Great work Ian. Much appreciated by all of us attendees. I’m looking forward to the next gathering.

      ***Subbang Baby!!!***

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      Hopefully by then I’ll have details about whether I have vacation time this year, if I do, I’ll see about making sure I can hit up the Summit, that or just call in a case of Habitant Fever.

      – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

  10. HabFanSince72 says:

    I forgot to mention one thing about my BOLD Stanley Cup contender for next year.

    Boldness starts behind the bench, so we ditch JM who for all his qualities is not exactly a risk taker.

    GM: HabFanSince72
    Coach: Patrick Roy

    Forwards:
    Cammy-Pleks-Zajac
    MaxPac-Brad Richards-Gionta
    Huberdeau-Desharnais-AK46
    Darche-Eller-Moen
    (Pouliot)

    Defence:
    Subban-Gill
    Markov-Weber
    Wiz-Gorges

    Goal:
    Vokoun, AN Other

    Parade:
    Usual route.
    (Spacek)

  11. HabsFan2 says:

    @HH

    “cantankerous”
    That’s better.

    I see you updated it. I likey!

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  12. G-Man says:

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  13. HardHabits says:

    I have my new nickname for all of you. Mr. Can Tank’r Us.

  14. HabFanSince72 says:

    The draft rankings suggest that Zack Phillips will be available to us (17th pick). He is Huberdeau’s Sea Dog teammate.

    In that case I think we should offer NJ just Price for their first plus Zajac.

    Then we pick Huberdeau AND Phillips.

  15. HardHabits says:

    For the record I would like to point out my views about fighting and goonery.

    I think fighting should be banned from the NHL altogether. I hate goonery and dirty, chippy play which is why I loathe both the Flyers and Bruins. Always have, always will. Nevertheless both those teams stand between the Habs and the Stanley Cup and it is my belief that in this case fire needs to fought with fire.

    I also think the ice surfaces should be wider. However I am not in favour of taking out hitting from the game. By that standard I still believe the Habs lack enough size and grit to make it through 4 rounds of play-off hockey. The reality is that fighting exists in the league. Moreover hitting is a big part of the game.

    These facts mean that any team wanting to win the Cup needs ample size and grit coupled with speed and skill to go all the way. The Habs lack the former. Until they address this issue they will be a bubble team. Even if they do well in the regular season with the current line-up, trying to use only speed and skill only, they would eventually bow out in the play-offs to a team that has size and grit coupled with speed and skill.

    If people want to come here to read cheery post about the Habs I suggest they come back after they win the Cup. Until then as the Habs fail in their quest for NHL’s holy grail, be prepared to read criticisms. Some of you people just can’t handle the truth. Other’s would rather live in a fantasy land.

    • HabsFan2 says:

      Gee, I’m sorry. I didn’t realise we weren’t allowed to disagree with your OPINION.

      I can’t apologise enough. I can imagine how bruised you’re tiny ego must be right now. I mean, to write such an eloquent post, whining for those not to disagree with you. My heart bleeds!

      So, with that I say, good job trolling!!

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      RIP- K.C. – Jan.28, 1993 – May 19, 2011

      • HardHabits says:

        How do you get me posting the final game of the ’76 Cup Finals as a sign I am condoning goonery? I only wish it was game 1 where the Habs laid down the law.

        I posted those links to show people here how a real team beats a bunch of thugs. Size, speed, skill and grit.

        Stay tuned. I’ll bring a tear to your eyes yet. It’s all part of the watch my left hand while the right pulls a rabbit out of my hat.

      • LA Loyalist says:

        Are we still in the playoffs, HF2? Are we?

        No, we’re sitting on the sidelines because we couldn’t handle the Bruins.

        That’s fact. Read Dryden’s THE GAME – or read it again and pay better attention. Bowman kept a rotating platoon of 4-6 players whom he switched in and out depending on if someone was slumping or hurt or, to my point – DEPENDING WHO WE WERE PLAYING. PHILLY? In went a couple of tough guys and Larry would have some extra Wheaties that day for breakfast. That also is historical fact.

        Was Scotty Bowman smarter than you and JM?

        You think?

        So play your imaginary unicorn farts and pixie dust hockey league up in your head, but until we address reality here and now in the NHL incidents like Patches are going to happen again. No one is asking for goons. We’re asking for balls.

        • HabsFan2 says:

          He also wasn’t afraid to single out those who didn’t perform, no matter who they were …*Larouche*

          Btw, I was one of those kids in the book that Dryden asked what we were doing there on a school day.

          It happened right outside the parking garage on De Maisoneuve.

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          RIP- K.C. – Jan.28, 1993 – May 19, 2011

          • LA Loyalist says:

            That is a great story.

            apparently after his recent election loss Dryden stood on a street corner in Toronto with a “thank you” sign.

            Sorry if I was a bit harsh, I just don’t like the assumption that grit is gooning. It’s not at all. I mainly don’t want any more of our guys getting head shots and other teams laughing at us.

        • pat s says:

          LA Loyalist–you got the right–we are sidelines and we still have debate whether has the roster tocompete 4 rds in the playoffs–UNBELIEVABLE

        • issie74 says:

          In Scotty’s words “just to keep the flies off”

    • Propwash says:

      So it’s tank-a-thon time to get 1st round choices then? ;)

    • joshua94k says:

      These facts mean that any team wanting to win the Cup needs ample size and grit coupled with speed and skill to go all the way.

      The Flyers and Capitals were suppose to have those attributes and they were beaten easily.

      While on the other hand players like Cammalleri and Gionta battle hard and have played well in the play-offs for the Canadiens. Even Weber had a good play-off and he is not a big guy either.

      “It’s too much for one guy to shoulder. For us, we’re going to do it as a group. It’s about sharing that responsibility win or lose.” – Mike Cammalleri

    • coldness81 says:

      habs had a hard time scoring. it’s about balance man. but like many others have said i’ll take skilled players and a hot goalie over someone who can fight.

      cheap shot a 6’4” 280lbs guy from behind into the boards and he still gets hurt anyways. our issue is having an impact player with some size. i would love to have a jeff carter type of center but those are hard to find.

    • habs365 says:

      with justification tell me how did you expect the Habs to do well in the playoffs with three 20 goal scores…..

    • Sakus Evil Twin says:

      Fighting is a regular season sideshow.

      No answers, just opinions. Bite me. Och.

    • pat s says:

      HardHabits–i think we have our 1st disagreement—i say keep fighting in the NHL and I say take out the instigator rule also, it is part of the NHL and will always be. If people don’t like fighting in the NHL they should go watch the KHL.

      But you are definitely correct about Montreal not winning unless they incoporate more blue collar players

  16. HabFanSince72 says:

    Price plus our first for the Devils’ first and Zajac.

    We pick Jonathan Huberdeau with the 1st pick.

    Devils get their Marty replacement.

    We then sign UFA Tomas Vokoun (as an example) as a free agent.

    Vokoun

    Subban, Markov, Gorges, Wiz, Spacek, Weber.

    Cammy-Pleks-Zajac
    MaxPac-Gomer-Gionta
    Huberdeau-Desharnais-AK46
    Darche-Eller-Moen

    • OneTimer says:

      You’re crazy, man.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        The careful approach, tinkering here and there, making the odd trade in Feb, is not going to work.

        We need to go for it.

        • OneTimer says:

          Price and Subban are our two untouchables, my friend. We’re going to build around them for the next 10 years. Plus, have you seen the chemistry between the two? That’s just good locker room vibes you don’t mess with, man.

          • HabFanSince72 says:

            Price’s performance in game 3 against the Bruins (and to a lesser extent game 4) shows me that for all his skill he is not a fighter like Patrick Roy was, or Tim Thomas is.

            I don’t think he is the franchise. He’s a very good keeper.

          • Mark C says:

            Based on one game(!), and to some extent a second game, you have concluded that a 23 year old isn’t a “fighter,” for whatever that’s worth and therefore will not be a franchise player? What a load!

        • pat s says:

          I don’t want to trade Price but I’m in if the right deal came for PK subban=watch the bs he starts in that dressing room in montreal

          trade him and gomez to st. louis and get pietroangelo and somebody else–

          you are definitely correct, we need to gamble, you cannot win at the poker table unless you are willing to thow your chips in the pot

        • pat s says:

          anybody that compares price to roy has lost their marbles. You are so correct about this HabFanSince 72, but I do think we still need to give Price a few more years–lets try to give him a better lineup but I understand what you are saying

    • Bugs says:

      Sooo, first we dump our bird in hand, then pray for a few in the bush?
      Ummm… Pass.

      Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        We need to make a bold move.

        I mean check out those forwards. Fearsome!

        To make it even bolder – send Gomie to Hamilton and sign UFA Brad Richards.

        And plan that parade baby.

        • Bugs says:

          Well, to give The Franchise the ole’ heave-ho after the many debatable maneuvers made to keep him here would be pretty bold, I’ll give you that.
          Jumpin off the Jacques-Cartier is ALSO quite bold; I still would recommend not doing it.

          Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

    • SnowManHabs85 says:

      Hahaha, i guess some of us including me haven’t taken their vitamins or energy drink to vitalize the insanity of a trade. Vokoun was drafted by Habs and it would definitely set us up a big hole to fill once Vokoun retires which is sooner than Gill is to retire.

      Besides, there are other ways to go up in the draft than trading our best goaltender which he put up top 10 in about all stats in goalie stats. PG did it last draft and i’m sure he knows how to again this draft if Huberdeau is worth trade.

      “Responding to the media , or playing to the media, or listening to the fans is the quickest way to start losing” – Sam Pollock

  17. D for next year would shape up like this:
    Markov – Gorges
    Subban – Gill
    Yemelin – Spacek/Weber
    7th d spot – Picard, Weber, Spacek, Carle, Klubertanz(looks good) or maybe Brendon Nash (good size).
    Pretty much every D-Man with the Bulldogs have a chance at a job in Montreal.

    Habsnation is still standing.
    http://canadiensnation.wordpress.com/

  18. HabsFan2 says:

    @HH

    “Robinson didn’t give Schultz an option in ’76. Are you saying that Robinson is a bully?”

    Really…really??

    Big difference that I’m positive you’re aware of. There was no instigator penalty back then. No need to “invite” an opponent to get his face beat in.

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    RIP- K.C. – Jan.28, 1993 – May 19, 2011

    • HardHabits says:

      Did the instigator penalty stop the Bruins from mauling the Habs?

      • HabsFan2 says:

        No, but having daddy Campbell on their side helped.

        Why didn’t those same tough guys come to Savard’s rescue when Cooke decide to level him? Where were all their tough guys then?

        No where, that’s where.
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        RIP- K.C. – Jan.28, 1993 – May 19, 2011

        • HardHabits says:

          Savard, like all players needs to keep his head up.

          Nice work parroting SF09’s argument.

          BTW. Who mentioned Savard? I mentioned the Habs getting mauled on Feb 9th.

          Typical misconstrued argument and avoiding what I am saying.

          • HabsFan2 says:

            “Nice work parroting SF09′s argument.”

            What? The truth hurts??

            You seem to like to parrot arguments stemmed from the likes of Pat s and manapart. If you’re lumping me with SF09, then thank you for the compliment.

            You mentioned how the goons on Feb .09 jumped guys like Pyatt, Spacek and Hamrlik. I pointed out those same goons were nowhere to be found when one of their own was getting levelled. Is that too hard to follow?

            Why no mention of Pouliot decking Krecji? How about the noted tough guy Lucic skating away from Laraque when challenged??

            These are some of the reasons why we call the ‘ruins players goons. Since you seem to be admiring them, you must like the idea of goons. That makes my early original post lumping you with the rest of those who want goons on the Habs correct.

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            RIP- K.C. – Jan.28, 1993 – May 19, 2011

          • HardHabits says:

            Are you saying I’m cantankerous?

        • pat s says:

          Whether Cambell is on their side or not is irrelevant–the bruins play that way all the time–they don’t play that “play nice hockey”–it is in their philosophy on how to play hockey

  19. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    If Boston is so much “better” than the habs why did it take them till overtime of game 7 to beat us?

    • HardHabits says:

      Wow. More revisionism. Unreal how simplistic people’s arguments are. Timmy.

      • OneTimer says:

        What’s revisionist about what he said? It’s the truth ain’t it? Bruins won by the skin of their teeth. Habs gave them everything they could handle.

        • HardHabits says:

          Are you saying a team that almost won round won is equal to a team that is two wins away from the Cup Final?

          It isn’t even that black and white. The Bruins have more depth at forward, equivalent if not better goal-tending, a way more robust defence corps. They scored +51 more goals then they let in compared to the Habs +7.

          Play-off teams are teams that get better every round, as the Bruins give every indication that they are doing. The Habs by comparison don’t have the physicality needed to grind it out 4 rounds. The were up 2-0 and couldn’t close the deal. The Bruins by comparison came back from 2-0 to win.

          How anybody could think the Habs are as good a team as the Bruins is pure fantasy.

          The Habs are hopefully going to be a better team in the coming years but they need tinkering to get there. The Bruins are there as much as I hate to say it.

          Thankfully PG doesn’t agree with the pollyannas here. There’s no doubt in my mind that the Habs realize they wont win unless the beef up the team, as they are doing.

          • OneTimer says:

            Nice post, but it’s completely off-topic. I asked you in what way was Habsoloutly’s post “revisionist”. I’m starting to think you didn’t know the meaning of the word in the first place. You can accuse someone of being revisionist if they state something that is against the received view of history.

            The Habs took the Bruins to overtime in Game 7. That’s a fact, and there’s nothing you can do it about it.

            Still, nice post.

    • coldness81 says:

      well thomas helped extend that series in the first few games. and well montreal matched up well against them i suppose.

  20. HardHabits says:

    Boston was better, Habs fans are bitter.

    • shiram says:

      ” Yeah, well, you know, that’s just like, uh, your opinion, man.”

    • HabsFan2 says:

      Now you’re just trolling.

      You’re starting to out troll Tony and his many aliases. Congrats!!

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      RIP- K.C. – Jan.28, 1993 – May 19, 2011

    • punkster says:

      Look, “Tony”, there’s nothing in this for you but a pot stirring. Or maybe a piece of the HI/O bonus pot for increasing the hits ;)

      FYI, if you have followed anything I’ve said over the years you’ll know the last truly great Leaf and my childhood hero was Dave Keon. Once he was chased out by Ballard I abandoned all hope for that team. The last few years before Keon’s departure I was a student in Boston, managed to attend some Bruins games and discovered that the Montreal Canadiens weren’t really the anti-Christ. I hated the Bruins and Flyers equally and the only team that could hand them their balls on a platter back then was the Canadiens. That started my flirtation with the colours, a long distance love affair that was finally and irrevocably consummated when I moved to this fair city some 19 years ago. And after that statement I have a strong urge for a smoke.

      So, if you want to continue to throw down the Leaf challenge every time I disagree with you be advised that the commentariat now know the real story and will be obliged to call BS each and every time you drag it up.

      So…how ’bout those Blue Jays, eh?

      ***Subbang Baby!!!***

  21. stones says:

    Webber – he’s the key

    The way I see it, he is our most marketable and tradeable asset that can help solve a lot of the teams issues via a trade.

    Before you shoot me, hear me out (I’m a first time poster so I don’t want to get in a war over this. Nothing personal against any player, I’m just trying to think of ways for the team to get better).

    First, we are currently stacked on offensive defensemen (Subban, Markov, Wiz, Webber, Diaz..and some of the AHL guys are starting to show promise), so losing Webber is not going to kill us short or long term because someone else in the system will step up.

    On the flip side though, his “potential” allows us to negotiate a trade that can include a less valuable asset of ours (i.e. Spacek…I’d say gomez but it would take more then webber for that). I think most people will agree that no one is going to take Spacek off our hands alone….but what if you throw in Webber…then it becomes more interesting and doable. An NHL ready young up and coming versatile power play specialist that has a low cap hit…I’m sure some teams would take spacek for 1 year for the potential to get that. If I were montreal, I’d even ask for a 3rd round or AHL guy coming back our way with that salary dump.
    In addition to opening up cap space, we also open up badly needed roster spots for others to be able to grow and show case their skill. So with the savings on Spacek, we could resign wiz or a good forward long term (or other combos)…with the opening of 2 roster spots on defense we can also start preparing our next generation of players (like Diaz as a #7 – Why sign him if he wasn’t going to play in the NHL soon. Which won’t happen with Webber around). This leaves room and money for the following (ignore the pairings, because I’m not as focused on that)
    Yemelin –Markov
    Subban -Gill (or Hammer)
    Gorges-Wiz
    Diaz (or someone from the AHL team ready for his shot).

    That’s still a rock solid lineup that can put up a ton of points (Wiz, PK, Markov..probably Diaz) and have veteran leadership. IT also allows us the roster spots to be able to show case Diaz an YEmelin for next year, in case we need to use them as trade bait

    Btw, even if we don’t use webber for a trade this year, as long as he continues to progress, he will be even more marketable for us next year to potentially trade Gomez (if he doesn’t pick up his game this next season). Just a thought

    • Mark C says:

      It’s an interesting thought, but I don’t think it’s smart to move potential like Weber, just to clear $3.8M off the books. If Spacek can’t be moved (I think he can be) he still makes for a good bottom pairing D, albeit an overpaid one.

      • Mike D says:

        stones, welcome to HIO. I like your logic and think you make good points and a good argument. Another factor to consider is Weber’s current value and the speculation of what it could be in the near future. Also, when could a player like him yield the best return.

        Here’s what I mean: Weber has shown very good potential and is currently inexpensive. He is likelt to remain inexpensive for a while given our depth with offensive Dmen and his youth and lack of experience. If he does continue to develop, would he not be worth more in a year or two? Of course the opposite argument could also be made that he regress in his play and lowers his value. The other option is timing. Generally you get better return at the trade deadline than you do in the offseason so if we were to use him as bait, wouldn’t the team be better doing so in Feb.? Of course, you also must consider that if we did that, Spacek becomes less moveable this summer which means we likely couldn’t retain Wiz.

        Basically my point is that while you make a good argument, there’s a lot of options available to PG just with Weber alone and all must be considered to maximize either value in a trade, value in the players we retain, and the future best options for the team.

        – Honestly yours

        • stones says:

          I agree, it’s all about timing. Webber’s value now is good but could be better in a couple months (like at the deadline) or years (like next year)…the point to moving him now (With Spatch) was to be able to keep a known talent like wiz (45+ points) or be able to bid for someone else we want AND create some room for the incoming talent (there’s a log jam right now of offensive defensemen). Double benefit. Either way Webber is one of our only attractive nhl experience pieces that we have depth around…like I said he could be the key :)
          And btw, I really like webber so I’d prefer not to lose him….but I feel like he will eventually be part of a trade.

    • I can tell your right now that i think that we dont need Wiz. Just look, if we sign Markov and Gorges that’s about 8m+ between them and Wiz will ask for 4-5m no less. Forget Hammer he is out of the question he is done. Now We have Subban, Spacek, Diaz, Yemelin. Add Gorges and Markov that’s 6. Re-Sign Weber for something like 1m which you would take from Pouliot’s contract, I dont think Weber would look for more than 1m. And if someone from the AHL looks good and ready to fit a 7th d man spot why not bring him up, plus you can always sign Gill to a one year deal about 1.5-2m and maybe grab Picard again for about 600-700k. There is also lots of options for PG he will be looking in the FA’s for players who are bigger and more defensive than Wiz.
      For me i believe if you sign Markov and potentially Weber were good for offensive d-man cuz we got Subban that’s 3 d-man who are offensive and then you can get 3 defensive guys.

      Habsnation is still standing.
      http://canadiensnation.wordpress.com/

      • LA Loyalist says:

        A Quarterback type defender is really, really hard to replace, especially mid-season, as we have found out to our pain the last couple of years since we didn’t think Streit was worth the money. I don’t mind being overly deep like that, which is why Weber is useful as he can cover at forward as well and is not expensive.

        3rd and 4th line grinders and stay at home D are easier to come by, so we can afford to be a little thinner there.

        You are right as long as no one important gets hurt….

    • LA Loyalist says:

      Ok, Stones, welcome! A couple of tips to help your future posts fit in:

      Do’s

      1. start each post with a provocative hypothesis, i.e.: “What if we offer Gomez an extension?”
      2. make sure you frame opinion as fact – it’s an old legal trick called “muddying the water”
      3. wrap up with an insult, preferably to someone’s eyesight, the fact that they never even played PeeWee or, their alleged gender.

      Don’ts

      1. don’t post line combos unless absolutely necessary for illustrative purposes. There is nothing more boring.
      2. don’t use the words “Gomez” and “Offense” in the same sentence.
      3. never say anything good about the Leafs or Bruins

      That’s it. Relax and have a good time!

      • stones says:

        Thanks LA…great tips, I appreciate it.

        you must be a closet LEAF FAN!
        How’s that for wrapping up with an insult?….too harsh right?! Sorry, I’m still learning ;)

  22. shuttle-lemaire-lafleur says:

    Hate to say it, but the Bruins are the better team right now. Tampa is playing way too soft, the Lightning are just watching them do their thing,no resistance, gonna be a short series if Boucher doesn’t wake these guys up. Stir it up with them, Lucic and Horton, when prodded enough, will take dumb ass penalties,so will Marchand, they won’t win by being passive against Boston. Better make adjustments in a hurry Guy…let the offense loose !!

  23. HardHabits says:

    Gone are the good old days when HIO was split between the Halak and Price camps. Now it’s the Habs need more size and grit versus the Habs were 1 OT goal away from the Cup factions.

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      Don’t forget the “Feb. 9th BOS-MTL changed everything FOREVER” faction ;)

      – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

    • RGM says:

      It’s not really factions, it’s just you and people that disagree with you.

      During the long summer, we all get to be pretend GM.

    • punkster says:

      HH, you’re overly dramatizing this. And on top of it that’s an apples to oranges argument which I have yet to see appear anywhere here. In the first instance I don’t believe anyone here has stated that we do not need more size or grit. There are those who equate those two characteristics with “goonery” and it’s only against those concepts that some of us tend to bridle. Size or grit, yes. Bruins/Flyers goon tactics, no.

      As to your one goal away statement, nobody has said that. One goal away from the second round, one away from the ECF at a stretch, but nobody says one away from a Cup.

      And it’s “was” a Leaf fan ;)

      ***Subbang Baby!!!***

      • HardHabits says:

        BS. People say the Habs took the Bruins to the brink therefore if the Bruins make it to the Cup final then the Habs would have also if they won round 1.

        As for the goons, the only people who mention goons are the apologists. People say we need size and grit and then the apologists say we don’t need goons.

        Being a Leafs fan has Kaberled you.

        • SeriousFan09 says:

          There’s size and grit in a player like Pacioretty, than there is a goon in a player like Lucic who thinks he’s a tough guy when he picks fights with non-fighters.

          And looking at how poorly WSH played and seeing TBL struggle a bit against BOS (A team we split our season series with) it’s not impossible. I don’t think we would have made it to the Finals with our core players hurt or had a chance of winning but hey, BOS got damn lucky against MTL.

          – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
          SF09 on Twitter

          • HardHabits says:

            I agree Boston dodged a bullet, as did the Habs in the too-many-men-on-the-ice game. That’s sports.

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            I thinks Habs fans would be doing cartwheels if we had a couple players like Lucic and Horton.

            Instead of calling them goons we’d all be saying that they’re two of the top power forwards in the league…

          • Mark C says:

            Hobie: And if Subban, Max-Pac, Price, Wiz, Halpern, etc. played for the Bruins, Bruin fans wouldn’t call them divers. This is just how fans talk about players on their team.

          • SeriousFan09 says:

            I would never back Lucic to be a Hab. Maybe Horton, b/c he did much, much better than I thought he was capable of in the Clutch these playoffs (Florida has always seemed to cast a dark cloud on anyone who plays there for a stretch) but I just don’t like players like Lucic. Never have, never will.

            Everyone says ‘you’d love him if he were on your team’ RE players I dislike well I wouldn’t. My opinion has always been this, a thug is a thug.

            – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
            SF09 on Twitter

          • ed lopaz says:

            to Hobie:

            the Habs are missing PRECISELY the Lucic and Horton type of players.

            these are extremely rare, and I was disappointed the Habs did not get Horton when everyone knew Florida was dumping.

            next on Bruins list: yup, you guessed it: THE WIZ!!!

            He has the offence they need (they will unload that soft serve called Kaberle ) and the type of grit and nastiness that is ALL BOSTON.

            if Gauthier misses out on The Wiz for $500,000, and he signs with Boston……..let’s just say I will be extremely disappointed.

            I have been saying that we should have unloaded Spacek a long time ago.

            Now is the time.

            Spacek + Hamrlik = 9.3 million / 59 million; and not too many winning seasons in those great careers.

            There is not a team in the league that would have paid Hamrlik 5.5 this season, and Spacek at 3.8 is just as bad.

            The Wiz at 4 years and 18 million? I would sign it in a second.

            Otherwise, if I’m Boston, The Wiz is my favorite d-man come July 1.

            what a freakin disaster that would be!!

            Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

          • issie74 says:

            Daryl Sutter kept Lucic restrained when he was a junior.
            Claude Julien,has no such rules.

          • LA Loyalist says:

            I would be ashamed if we had Lucic or Bertuzzi or a thug like that.

            We need team grit and toughness, that is physical and mental. It has nothing to do with thuggin’ or head shots or cheap shots.

            And we need the nuclear deterence, though many of you will disagree. I’ll bet you my last puck that if we had had Chris Nilan in his prime Chara would not have tried to decapitate Patches.

            And I worry greatly, because of JM’s Mr. Softy hockey strategy we are looking forward to another year of thugs targeting our skill players.

        • Jan_pronounced_Yan says:

          Who said that? Where did they say that? Show me quotes.

          I can only speak for myself here, but I have not read anyone say if the Bruins win the cup or get to the finals, that means we would make it too.

          What I’ve been trying to say to you is that we are closer to being a legit contender, which you seem to think Boston qualifies as, than you have been willing to admit. A banged-up roster took the Bruins to the brink. A healthy roster probably would have sent them packing.

          I’m not saying we’re legit yet, but I think we are close. I think we are missing one or two elements that will make us a very tough team to beat.

    • patience is a virtue says:

      I don’t actually think most of us fall into such polarized categories. Fans with a little depth of thought recognize that PG made a very tough, and brave, choice between Halak and Price and that he bet right, so far. The jury will be out for a couple of seasons yet, despite some folks tendency towards pre-mature…

      I haven’t read a fool yet who believes that beating Boston during one of the three games they took in OT would have guaranteed even a single victory versus Philly.

      Hockey, and life, just don’t work that way.

      Most of us would rather engage in more complex and meaningful discussions about contract options, prospects, cap space, advanced stats, draft rankings, etc, etc, than get caught up in simplistic, extreme arguments.

      No, they don’t even qualify as arguments. They’re drivel.

    • MathMan says:

      The Habs needed more health way more than they needed more grit.

      As it was, without Markov-Gorges-MaxPac, they were probably not equipped to win the Cup (especially not versus those Western clubs!), but they were better than Boston.

      • HardHabits says:

        I don’t think they were equipped to win the Cup with Markov-Gorges-MaxPac either.

        • Jan_pronounced_Yan says:

          I don’t think anyone here has said that the Habs were equipped to win the cup with Markov-Gorges-MaxPac either.

          Going into this season, I thought we would have a much better regular season, but not do as well in the playoffs. I was pleasantly surprised by our performance in both, considering the key injuries.

          The Canadiens are getting close though. That’s all I’m saying. They have made improvements in the last 2 years. Stability and structure, as well as some good young talent, will do that for you. Now, PG has to take this team to the next level. It won’t be easy, but it is within his grasp with a couple more astute moves and draft picks.

          However, people need to also understand that nothing is guranteed, even when you have a legit contender. Look at San Jose. Look at Philly. Look at lots of great teams around the league. There is a substantial amount of luck/good bounces needed to win 16 playoff games. Skill and size are needed to build a winner, but it doesn’t guarantee you a Cup.

          • HardHabits says:

            Making it to the top 5 only gives you a 20% chance. It’s better than the 0% chance a team has finishing lower than 10th.

  24. SeriousFan09 says:

    Medical examiner in Derek Boogaard’s death reveals cause to be an accidental mixture of alcohol with oxycodon toxicity According to Michael Russo of the Minneapolis Star Tribune, who first broke the story about the passing of the NHL enforcer.

    Boogaard had been in the NHL’s Substance Abuse program. It should also be noted he was battling post-concussion syndrome for about five months, which may have led to the abuse of alcohol and prescription drugs in the first place. Speculation on my part of course, but it’s possible after months of dealing with those symptoms he wanted relief any way he could get it.

    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
    SF09 on Twitter

  25. habs365 says:

    habs03: everything is a gamble with injury prone players in todays NHL they play rough, so you pays your money and takes yer chances….

  26. RetroMikey says:

    The video link makes me proud to be a Habs fan. Even though most of you don’t understand much French, this video gave me the chills.
    One day Habs fans we will win the Cup, one day, but major changes have to take place before it gets better so let’ enjoy the video and rejoice!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seMX52RPuUo

    “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

    • HabsFan2 says:

      Pfft…I’ve met many Habs fans and you sir are no Habs fan!

      ———————————————-
      RIP- K.C. – Jan.28, 1993 – May 19, 2011

      • RetroMikey says:

        Check my e-mail or send me one and I’ll send you a pic of my house covered with Habs memorabilia.
        I may disagree with you and others, but I am by far one of the biggest Habs fans on this site, so please don’t accuse me of not being one. You don’t know me.
        I tell it like it is.

        “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

    • Bugs says:

      Ouch. If that gave you “chills”, don’t watch “The Natrural” cuz that’ll put you in a coma.
      Let’s recap: bad song (let’s be real: it’s a cheap, repetitive, no musical talent-needing chant), and crappily-filmed lip-dub. What, because they’re kids, their “cuteness” raises the appeal? Heck, no.
      That was terrible. Half of’em don’t even know what’s goin on and are just staring blankly and uninterestedly. Bo-oring.
      Go to youtube, type “Canadiens Comeback”, watch THAT video, compare it to your suggestion, then look us in the eye and tell us it was more (ahem) “chilling” than Kovy tying it. I DOUBLE-dares ya.

      Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

    • joshua94k says:

      You pick the Bruins to win the Cup because they play solid hockey as a team, have great goaltending and work hard etc….

      You say the Canadiens need major changes to win the Cup.

      Both teams just played a seven game series. If the Bruins who barely won the series in game 7 in overtime against a team that lost Markov, Gorges, Paccioretty to injuries and had several injured players in their line-up in game 7, are that good, how come they struggled to win three games in overtime ? How did they beat a team in a seven game series by one goal, against a team that supposedly lacks toughness, size and played with a depleted line-up?

      The fact is the Flyers and Capitals had players who failed to show up this year. Every one on the Canadiens showed up. The Habs don’t need major changes, if they play with a healthy line-up, they can beat anybody.

      Don’t count out Tampa bay yet though, they play hard and won’t give up like the Caps and Flyers.

      “It’s too much for one guy to shoulder. For us, we’re going to do it as a group. It’s about sharing that responsibility win or lose.” – Mike Cammalleri

      • HardHabits says:

        Without changes the Habs wont win 4 rounds of play-off hockey. Just because the Habs took the Bruins to the brink is no indication that they would have gone farther.

        You’re saying Gomez showed up? Dude!

        You make some great posts but that one is just revisionist prattle.

        • joshua94k says:

          I said the whole team showed up against Boston. Everyone from White to Weber gave a good effort.

          However Gomez did have 4 points in 7 games in the series against Boston. He wasn’t a dominant force but check the stats of the Bruins top line who struggled against Montreal.

          In today’s Cap era, there is no dominant team. That’s why any team can win when it has all of its players playing well. Sure Montreal, like any team can do with some changes but this team does not need a major overhaul like it did in 2009.

          “It’s too much for one guy to shoulder. For us, we’re going to do it as a group. It’s about sharing that responsibility win or lose.” – Mike Cammalleri

  27. coldness81 says:

    why can’t i reply to comments after 3-4 nested responses?

  28. JD_ says:

    He’s a great human bein’, but if the Habs can find a way to rid themselves of the final year of Spacecake’s contract, I’m all for it. $3.8M is a ton of capital invested in a D-man whose skillset and stamina are on the decline.

    Newsy isn’t nearly as defensively responsible, but his offense and grit – Lucic has 5″ and 10-15 lbs on the guy and won’t go near him – together with age, render him a more appealin’ add to the mix if he can be brought in for Spacecake money + ~$700K.

    But this is gonna take a master stroke. PG would have to be in full epic mode.

    Outside of the obvious challenge of findin’ a way to get a team to grab Spacer, even via an outright salary dump, the central issue with Newsy remains what competin’ GMs will throw at him; somebody out there is gonna offer $5M+ to the guy. That Komifarcek dude is a $4.5M waste of cap and Newsy’s leagues more effective than him.

    As for the Broonz…

    Eff the Broonz.

    Eff the team, eff the coachin’ staff, eff the GM, eff the prez, eff the owner, eff the media, and eff their effin’ fans.

    Eff ‘em all.

    Oh, but JD, we have to be good sports. See, the Boston Bruins are a good team…

    …nyaaaaaaaaaaaaa shadddddaappp.

    • punkster says:

      Effin’ eh, man. Effin’ eh!

      ***Subbang Baby!!!***

    • Propwash says:

      Right on.

    • Sakus Evil Twin says:

      It took a minute fo figure out who the eff Newsy is… but I’m all over that… and I’m not sold on the fact that the Caveman is more defensively responsible…

      Regardless – with JG back next year and, I assume, Hall Gill plus a 7th, I gotta figure that we’re good with shut-er-downers…

      I’m surprised that no-one has spoken about Joni Pitkanen… he’s a big ‘ol boy who’ll fill Hamrlik’s vacated stall very well. Maybe a little expensive at $4.5Mish but he’s got some years in him…

      And that’s the thing about the Emelin deal – he’s a big unknown. Don’t even know if he’ll play next year… sure he’s a big dude and he’s got that alleged mean streak in him, but all the other tough guys are gonna test that.. and those Russians seemto have a habit of fading from the NHL ‘test’.

      Am due to be in Boston in July for conference… am gonna try to secure a Red Sox ticket and am deciding whether to wear the Chara Sucks shirt or the more generic Habs one.

      Eff em.

      No answers, just opinions. Bite me. Och.

    • twocents says:

      Eff ‘em right to heck!

      Oh, and I think the Spacek dump is not quite an epic level hurdle. With only one year it’s a matter of fit. Namely, a young team, short on experience with owners who want to just squeeze above the cap floor. Not a lot of options, but ya never know.

  29. HabsFan2 says:

    @HH

    Who said this and who was he talking about…

    “The xxxxxx were the worst thing to happen to hockey,” said xxxxx. “The way they fight, the way they set the example for the young kids. To sweep them, maybe we put an end to all the crap they stand for.”

    Try not googling.
    ———————————————-
    RIP- K.C. – Jan.28, 1993 – May 19, 2011

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Ken Dryden or Scotty Bowman on the Flyers?

      • HabsFan2 says:

        Close.

        Right team.

        ———————————————-
        RIP- K.C. – Jan.28, 1993 – May 19, 2011

        • HabFanSince72 says:

          OK it’s a member of the Canadiens that swept the Flyers in 1976.

          I’m going to narrow it down to:

          Larry Robinson
          Serge Savard
          Yvan Cournoyer
          Jacques Lemaire
          Pierre Bouchard

          (And I know it aint Bouchard)

          • HabsFan2 says:

            Serge Savard.

            ———————————————-
            RIP- K.C. – Jan.28, 1993 – May 19, 2011

    • HardHabits says:

      You were using one of my favourite hockey quotes as a sig in the past.

      “Young people have seen that a team can play electrifying, fascinating hockey while still behaving like gentlemen.”

      So what’s your point? You think I disagree? The bottom line is no Savard and Robinson pounding out Schultz no Cup win for the Habs.

      What I witnessed February 9th I never want to see again. It wont stop until the Habs beef up.

      • HabsFan2 says:

        It was a of reply to your post at the bottom of the page. You brought up the Flyers. I thought it was kind of relevant to show the other side of the coin. Also, it’s the reason I could NEVER cheer for the ‘ruins.

        The point is, we may need bigger bodies, we don’t need goons. Never have, never will! Speed, skill, and discipline can beat a bunch of goons any day.

        Btw…you’re a lousy teacher. :razz:

        ———————————————-
        RIP- K.C. – Jan.28, 1993 – May 19, 2011

        • HardHabits says:

          I have never said goons in my life. Stop trying to misconstrue my arguments. I am talking skilled players with size and grit, and who can drop’em.

          • HabsFan2 says:

            Maybe not you, but others keep bringing up goons. Then I saw you post those flyers vids. Just thought you were joining the choir.

            ———————————————-
            RIP- K.C. – Jan.28, 1993 – May 19, 2011

          • pat s says:

            HabsFan2–people that like hard nosed hockey are not ignorant to the fact that talent is definitely needed to win–if you don’t like fighting that is fine but are you not tired of the habs getting bullied–do you remember that game in boston in the regular season where i had turn the tv b/c I was getting tired of our players taking beatings

          • HardHabits says:

            @HabsFan2: the people who bring up goons the most are people like you, berkie, punkster and SF09 who try to put words in other people’s mouths ;-)

            for the most part everybody says size and grit with skill and those that do bemoan the fact state that the Habs are a small team not built for the play-off grind

        • HabsFan2 says:

          “the people who bring up goons the most are people like you, berkie, punkster and SF09 who try to put words in other people’s mouths”

          Try again. I’ve NEVER. I’ll repeat it for you…NEVER said I wanted goons on our team. I’ve also NEVER seen any of those you mentioned ever say they want goons on the team. I’ve also NEVER said you do. Posting the Flyer vids as if that’s the way to go for the Habs was the impression I got from your post. Sue me.

          Just look at the reply from Pat s. In the immortal words of Gerryfromthementalinstitution…’nuff said!

          ———————————————-
          RIP- K.C. – Jan.28, 1993 – May 19, 2011

          • HardHabits says:

            I said you guys bring up goons saying that’s not what we need.

            Here is an example:

            HH: The Habs need more size and grit.

            Punkster, Berkie, Zepper, SF099Y: The Habs don’t need goons.

      • SeriousFan09 says:

        Everyone gets way too hung up on Feb 9th.

        That happened because the Bruins are bullies and cowards, led by a vindictive SOB behind the bench who sends out goons in games he has won or lost to start garbage brawls. It was a freakish game and that’s all it was, from the scoresheet to the PIM count.

        – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
        SF09 on Twitter

        • TomNickle says:

          I can only imagine what the Sports pages in the Boston Globe would have read if Wisniewski had pummeled Bergeron, Moen had beaten on Seidenberg and Subban had crushed Krejci? Habs would have been labelled gutless I’m sure.

          • issie74 says:

            I was proud of the Habs the next game blackeyes and all.
            No gutless guys there.
            I do remember Chara refusing Georges Laraques and telling Lucic to stay away from Georges and not to take him up on an invitation to go.
            That is the big difference between a fighter and a bully,the bully dosen’t give give you the option.

          • HardHabits says:

            @issie74: Robinson didn’t give Schultz an option in ’76. Are you saying that Robinson is a bully?

          • issie74 says:

            NO,but Dave Schultz was.

          • HardHabits says:

            And the way to beat bullies is to not give them an option, because deep down inside bullies are cowards, however you can’t beat a bully unless you are tougher or quicker and punch first without asking

        • RetroMikey says:

          I’ll take a Claude Julien than a Jacques Martin behind our bench.
          Bruins, bullies and cowards? I don’t think so.
          So we are the pussycats for not doing anything about it and the Bruins are playing hockey in the spring while our team is planting tomatoes this weekend.
          Face it goon hockey is here and will never change.
          But face it, Bruins are a skilled hockey team as well.

          “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

          • TomNickle says:

            I’ll put our skill up against theirs. Paille, Campbell, Thornton, Kelly, McQuaid, Ference. Four of those players would have a hard time making a team that didn’t pride itself on stupidity.

          • SeriousFan09 says:

            Lucic’s target for a fight after Chara breaks Patches neck? Ben Pouliot. Greg Campbell’s favourite dance partner with MTL? Tom Pyatt, with an assist from his elbow pad. Boychuk and Ference go after Spacek and Hamrlik. End of Game 1 in a TBL victory in the playoffs, They’re going after Victor Hedman and Dominic Moore. They don’t pick fights with those who might challenge them, just those they think would be easy to beat up and act tough about it. It’s called cowardice.

            – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
            SF09 on Twitter

          • Mark C says:

            Pyatt: first fight since 2005-06 OHL
            Campbell: 37 NHL Reg. Season fights

            Spacek: 3 NHL Reg. Season fights, first since 2003-04
            Boychuk: 5 NHL Reg. Season fights, another 25 in the AHL

            Hamrlik: 6 NHL Reg. Season fights, first since 2002-03
            Thornton: 86 NHL Reg. Season fights

            That’s 119 more fight between the between those six players, yeah nothing bullish about that.

        • HardHabits says:

          It was the turning point to the season.

          • SeriousFan09 says:

            Turning Point of the season was Chara breaking Max’s neck.

            Habs won 7 of their next 12 following the much-overhyped Boston Beatdown including a 5-game winning streak and lost two games that were decided by the Skills competition. After that, they started to struggle missing their breakout offensive forward.

            – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
            SF09 on Twitter

          • HardHabits says:

            @SF09: Feb 9th doesn’t happen, neither does the Chara on Pacioretty hit.

          • SeriousFan09 says:

            Complete speculation HH. Perhaps if we had not completely dominated the Bruins during those first two periods on March 8th Chara wouldn’t have been in a vindictive mindset and did what he did?

            – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
            SF09 on Twitter

      • RetroMikey says:

        Amen HH, Amen! Totally agree.
        We can’t whine what Chara did, the past is the past, move forward and do something so it does not happen again.
        If you get bigger and physical on this team, the Cup will come!

        “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

        • shiram says:

          Having bigger guys would not have prevented Chara from hitting MaxPac.
          SF09 has been posting for months now…

          • HardHabits says:

            How do you know it wouldn’t have happened? Feb 9th doesn’t happen it’s a whole new psychological ball of wax. I like how everybody here what if’s the future and the past. My take is if the Habs had not been humiliated that game Pax would never have been smashed into the stanchion. You guys need to watch more sci-fi or Star Trek.

          • shiram says:

            I love me some sci-fi, but I don’t see the corrolation between it and hockey.
            The main point is that Chara was alone with MaxPac, so having an enforcer/goon/gritty physical player on the ice at that time would not have changed anything.

          • SeriousFan09 says:

            That is ridiculous HH, maybe you should read science fiction if this is your line.

            What did the Habs having their non-fighters knocked around in that game have to do with the BIGGEST MAN THE NHL EVER SAW running Pacioretty’s head into a stanchion? A man that fears no one on the ice and knows he can’t be beaten up realistically without at least two guys tackling him? Chara did what he did b/c he could and Pacioretty had been a thorn in Boston’s side since he arrived in MTL during the season.

            – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
            SF09 on Twitter

          • HardHabits says:

            @shiram: my point was this, if the Habs had a team that didn’t turtle because they were too small to defend themselves on Feb 9th then the time line changes, there isn’t that cloud hanging over the team’s head, the Chara on Pacioretty hit doesn’t happen.

          • shiram says:

            HH: you are guilty of speculating just as well. How do you know ” a cloud hangs over the head of the team” ?

            And having different players would probably not deter Chara, as he is the biggest player in the nhl, and even when other players try to fight him, he can just wrestle them down, and not actually fight.

        • SeriousFan09 says:

          Marc Savard played for the Big Bad Bruins, he may never play again, didn’t Matt Cooke him stopping to think twice because of all those tough guys on Boston might go after him.

          No one in the entire NHL could have intimidated Chara into not doing what he did.

          – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
          SF09 on Twitter

    • Natrous says:

      I thought the answer was going to be “Europeans” and “Don Cherry”..

  30. RiverviewCanadien says:

    EDIT: Completely off topic from the BIO (Bruins Inside/Out) thread.

    You know what would protect players? Proper calls on the ice, from at least one of the TWO officials.

    Myself and a Capitals fan were talking about how the hits are so devastating now and how easy it is to injure on a check. So I brought up the point that charging is never called anymore, besides when the player leaves the ice.

    Bringing just THIS proper call back to the ice, would benefit the players health and endurance, IMO of course.

    Two examples of what I feel charing is:
    1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYwnBEme6Nc (ok this is cheesy…)
    2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfCFn8DJijc

    This one was not called, oh yeah he glides at the end…come on.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIyPjlqYAO4&feature=fvsr

    • LA Loyalist says:

      Excellent point. I would add that the refs are briefed each season on what calls to emphasize. I wish we had some stats on the decline of charging penalties, as I think your suspicion is correct.

      • TomNickle says:

        Officiating is a lost cause. Supplementary discipline is also a lost cause. Great veteran NHL officials have been retiring lately and it’s clear that the younger officials aren’t receiving the proper development. This is the case both with the referees and linesmen. Having two referees call a game remains the most ridiculous notion the league ever entertained. 38 players take the ice during a game and have to grow accustomed to the way in which an official calls a game. A perfect example would be Bill McCreary and Chris Lee. McCreary consistently lets infractions go unpunished and Lee consistently calls everything that sniffs the borderline area. As far as supplementary discipline goes, when Milan Lucic can cross check Dominic Moore in the face and sucker punch Freddy Meyer without suspension, the NHL’s executive offices are failing the league, players, sponsors and fans. It will not change as long as the old boys club is running the show.

        • SeriousFan09 says:

          They brought in two referees because of the speed of the game post-lockout, I don’t often agree with Mcguire but I do agree when he says you want to see missed calls? Go back to one referee. The AHL has some questionable officiating at times due to the 1-referee system they have.

          The issue we have with officiating is twofold, one the league doesn’t introduce a proper standard and two, the league expanded by nearly 50% from 1991 to 2000 when it went from 21 teams to 30. That meant a whole new slew of officials had to be brought in over a decade, than you had to double the entire officiating group five years later in post-lockout. Expansion and the two-referee system created a serious talent gap, much like it’s done to ensure there’s six to eight teams that might as well mail it in from Game 1 of the RS because they don’t have what it takes to make the playoffs.

          – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
          SF09 on Twitter

          • HabFanSince72 says:

            The two most powerful team owners are the owners of the Flyers and the Bruins.

          • TomNickle says:

            Mcguire is forgetting one thing in that analysis as are you. Post lockout rule emphasis meant an increase in penalty calls. It’s easy to justify the opinion that more missed calls would be the result of going back to a one official system when the post lockout rule emphasis has ensured that penalty calls would increase. The two official system ruins hockey games Robert. Player x is backchecking and got away with a couple of whacks on the puck carrier’s glove through two periods because official x was in his defensive zone. Player x in the third period does the same thing with official y in his defensive zone but this time around and gets called for a penalty while operating under the understanding that the action wouldn’t be called because it hadn’t been through two periods.

            How many times did you curse at your television this season because the Habs took the puck into the offensive zone and a player got hooked, interfered with, tripped, slashed only to have the other team come back, the Habs commit the same action and get penalized for it? Probably a lot. This doesn’t happen with one official. Players, coaches and most fans will tell you that whether an official calls a tight game or let’s the players play doesn’t matter to them as long as the officiating is consistent, more often than not in a one referee system, it was consistent if nothing else.

          • TomNickle says:

            @HF72

            While it wouldn’t surprise me if Jeremy Jacobs was influencing hockey ops decisions, it’s much more likely that Colin Campbell, I mean Mike Murphy is just trying to avoid upsetting the applecart.

    • issie74 says:

      Did you see MAB’s hit last night a good clean hit..Julien asking for 5 min.penalty.Boucher was going nuts.

      • RiverviewCanadien says:

        Nothing wrong with that hit when I saw it, leaned in, open ice, Krecji had his head down.

        As the saying goes, keep your head up.

  31. TomNickle says:

    Why would a report get out that Pierre Gauthier is negotiating a contract with James Wisniewski? First, it’s good business to negotiate with all of the free agents whose rights you hold that are impact players in search of the best value. Second, it’s a valuable leverage tool in negotiations with other free agents on your roster. If Don Meehan is looking for a contract figure and term that Gauthier isn’t willing to agree to, leaking out information that you’re negotiating with Wisniewski could go a long way toward getting Meehan to come down in price and term out of fear that Markov’s role will be filled. If the Habs don’t sign Markov it could serve as a red flag to the other 29 NHL teams that his bill of health may not be clean. Going to unrestricted free agency on July 1st is not an attractive prospect for Meehan. He’s unlikely to get the term and price he wants via free agency with Kaberle and Pitkanen set to be available as well. His best chance at maximizing his pay day is by getting Markov a new deal comparable to his prior contract with the Canadiens.

    Of course, the other possibility is that Gauthier is looking to keep Markov and Wisniewski and that Gomez and Spacek are on borrowed time.

    • LA Loyalist says:

      If we manage to keep Wiz and Marky Mark while divesting ourselves of Spacek and Gomez I will call in a free round at the next HIO summit for the gang.

      That plus getting Yemelin out of Russia. Yippee!!!!!

      • TomNickle says:

        I wouldn’t rule out the possibility. To keep core players like Subban and Price it’s going to take a lot of money. Price is looking at a minimum of $5.5 million on next contract, which doubles his current salary. And Subban at the minimum is looking at the kind of deal Jack Johnson got with a ceiling around where Markov’s current salary is.

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      I suspect PG is thinking that if he can sign Wiz to a good contract and get Markov down as well, he can just find a way to make Spacek go away and have the blue line stacked for next season with Markov, Gorges, Wiz, Subban, Gill and Yemelin.

      I think Yemelin coming on board means a deal with Markov is close as the Habs would probably like to have Markov around as a resource for helping Yemelin in coming to the NHL.

      – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

      • TomNickle says:

        I agree but I have a concern about this scenario. While Yemelin is likely to be a top 4 defenseman at some point in his NHL career putting him with Markov out of the gate would be a mistake in my opinion. Getting used to the speed of the NHL game is paramount and not being depended on heavily is a key to that transition. Placing Yemelin with Spacek on a third pairing is ideal in that the responsibility for Yemelin wouldn’t be too high and he would be able to communicate with Spacek easily.

        And if Wisniewski is signed, Gomez is gone. Mainly because Spacek’s money will be going to Subban next summer and the team will need $3-$4 million more to give Price next off-season.

        • SeriousFan09 says:

          Yemelin is Russian, Spacek is Czech, I’d say there is a language barrier there Tom. The thing with Markov is he may not start off as #1 D considering his lack of playing time over the last two seasons and concern over his knee issues so he may start further back on the D rotation as well. And the thing is it’s not just Markov is going to play with Yemelin but just help Yemelin out with living in a place where he’s unfamiliar with the language and fit into the team, it’s not just a question of on the ice adaptation, but off the ice as well.

          – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
          SF09 on Twitter

          • TomNickle says:

            The last time I glanced at KHL rosters, I saw a high contingent of Czech players. I don’t think the language barrier between Spacek and Yemelin would be nearly as troublesome as it would be with a Yemelin and Weber or Yemelin and Wisniewski pairing Robert.

          • HabFanSince72 says:

            Anyone who thinks a Czech and a Russian have a natural affinity for each other needs to read a history of the years 1945-1991.

          • TomNickle says:

            It isn’t that one is Czech and one is Russian. It’s that the Russian just got done playing in a league with a strong contingent of Czech players and a handful of North American’s.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Czech and Russian very similar in Language. My father spoke Russian and could understand my Brother in law and family who were czech. Spacek and Emelin would be able to communicate, not perfect but language wouldn’t be a big issue.

            Great Effort Boys, PG get to work this Summer!

        • coldness81 says:

          how do we know this yemelin guy is ready for the nhl? i mean i would expect it to take about 40 games for him to get used to the city, the system and the nhl.

          • TomNickle says:

            They signed him without needing bodies in Hamilton. There’s no evidence to suggest that he isn’t ready. He’s 25 and has been playing at an elite level in a professional league and has been good against NHL competition at World Hockey Championships. Much like Eberle’s performance at the WHC told the Oilers he was ready, the WHC and body of work in the KHL has told the Habs Yemelin is ready.

          • coldness81 says:

            alright. i’ll wait and see. i don’t think the khl is a bad league but it’s not the NHL either.

          • Mike D says:

            There will be an adjustment period for sure, but all indications are that he has the tools to succeed here. PK had a bit of an adjustment period at the beginning of the season, but by season’s end he was our best blueliner hands down.

            There’s no guaranntee of course, but the team does their homework and wouldn’t have tried for the third time to bring him over (which was a longshot to begin with) if they think he could do it.

            – Honestly yours

          • TomNickle says:

            Subban enjoyed immediate success because of his speed, plain and simple. He has the kind of speed that allows him to make up for mistakes. Yemelin isn’t slow, but he won’t be able to mask his errors with wheels. Then again, Yemelin is unlikely to take the kind of risks that Subban did and is probably more responsible defensively to a certain degree.

        • Talik Sanis says:

          I had always assumed that Markov would be paired with Yemelin (at least in part) in order to ease Yemelin’s transition to NHL style hockey. One of the key aspects of this would be (as you pointed out) communication. It seemed that Hal Gill’s pairing with Subban, and the constant on ice corrections that allowed for, caused Subban’s play to markedly improve. In much the same way, I’d assumed that Markov would be instrumental in developing Yemelin based on that same ability to communicate with him on the ice, something I didn’t believe any other team member could.

          Was I wrong in thinking that Markov is the only member of the team fluent in Russian?

        • coldness81 says:

          the price contract will be an interesting one. if he has another great year, wow 6-7 million i guess.

          • Mike D says:

            Not a chance he gets anywhere close to that unless he wins the Vezina and probably the Stanley Cup too. If he has another year like last year, then 5mil would be slightly generous.

            I’m not saying he isn’t great, but 6-7mil is way too much.

            – Honestly yours

        • Mike D says:

          The Habs might be in a position (possibly even if they can’t sign Wiz) where the gap between the D pairings might be negligent, IE the first pairing isn’t really any better than the second and so forth. Part of that will greatly depend of what happens with Spacek of course.

          The language thing between Czech’s and Russians has already been addressed so I’ll leave it at that.

          – Honestly yours

        • issie74 says:

          He is reported to be a good skater.

  32. habs03 says:

    I really really hope we get our hands on Tomas Kopecky July 1st!

    • Mike D says:

      LOL – funny, when I heard yesterday that the B.Hawks re-signed Crawford for 3 years at 2.66mil per, and knowing they are cap tight I immediately checked Cap Geek to see if players like Kopecky and Brouwer might be squeezed out. While it’s possible, I noticed that CHI also had over 4mil in penalties on their cap this past season from overages the year before, which will now be off their books. That alone likely makes it feasible they can bring back the guys they want to keep, plus the cap is supposed to go up a few mil as well.

      – Honestly yours

  33. MathMan says:

    Heh. Boston is so grievously overrated, it’s starting to become more funny than frustrating.

    Tampa actually dominated game 2 everywhere but the crease — but the Bruins capitalized on their chances. Game 3 was just a boring trap game where the Bruins scored first. Boston is winning the percentages game, again — but they’re not actually outplaying.

    It’s VERY clear to me they’re the second-best team in this series, but it hasn’t stopped them before. Boston is very shallow — their defense is weak behind Chara, their forward depth is very shallow as well (see how much trouble losing Bergeron is). Their recipe to victory really hinges on one, and only one thing: Thomas must stand on his head game after game.

    I could see them winning the Cup, which would be hilarious — they’d probably be the weakest Cup winner in a while, and I see them finishing third in the division next year.

    Of course, both Western team are real powerhouses, and Boston still has to get past a superior Tampa team, so that’s not the way to bet.

    • HardHabits says:

      I don’t know which game you were watching because if it wasn’t for Rolonson’s acrobatics this series would be over next game.

      Tampa dominated game 2? MM. Get a grip. Boston smoked TB in game 2. It was a demolition.

      • SeriousFan09 says:

        The game ended 6-5 HH. That’s not a demolition when they were hanging in by the end with their fingernails.

        – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
        SF09 on Twitter

        • MathMan says:

          Plus Tampa outchanced Boston over two-to-one at even-strength.

          Roloson had a tough game and the Bolts were so dominant they still almost came back.

          I know this will rock your world, HardHabits, but hockey is a game where the final score is not always indicative of how well the teams play. This goes double for blowouts.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      The Bruins defense has actually gotten much better as the playoffs have progressed. Seidenberg, Boychuck and McQuaid have all stepped it up from what I can see. Kaberle has looked better the last two games too.

      I hope Tamapa comes back, don’t get me wrong but you have to give credit where credit is due. The Bruins have tightened up a little and are really playing within their strengths.

    • Tremblant Habs Fan says:

      Boston looked like Montreal last night, holding on to a 1-0 lead playing boring hockey to protect it. Acording to some on this site, they have no chance at winning the Stanley Cup playing that way!

      • MathMan says:

        And in reality, they don’t. Well, not “no” chance, but the odds are long. This kind of game always ends up catching up with you — and considering how much better both Western finalists are relative to the Eastern finalists, I wouldn’t bet on Boston’s luck holding ’till the end.

  34. HardHabits says:

    For people who think the Red Wings are a small team or that the Habs are comparable in size, make the comparisons yourselves:

    http://redwings.nhl.com/club/roster.htm?srt=ht&type=roster

    http://canadiens.nhl.com/club/roster.htm?srt=ht&type=roster

  35. HabFanSince72 says:

    As I’ve said before, no team is moving to Winnipeg if the league can help it.

    They still think they could succeed in the south despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary (if the South was a woman and Gary Bettman a man he’d be charged with harassment and a court order would prohibit him from coming to within 150 miles of the Mason Dixon line). The Canadian teams don’t want to split the Canadian $$ 7 ways. And it is clear that Winnipeg would always need redistribution income.

    Winnipeg is being used to extort money from Atlanta just like they were used to shaft the Glendale taxpayer.

    In the Bettman family “I’m sending you to Winnipeg” is still a frequently used threat to get kids to behave.

  36. HardHabits says:

    If PG signs the Wiz we may have seen the last of Markov as a Hab.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      I hate to say it because I love Markov and I think he’s significantly better than the Wiz when healthy but it might be the right move for Gauthier to sign the Wiz instead.
      Just like in a hockey pool, you’re better off going with the healthy players than risking your season on a guy that has a decent chance of going down with injury.
      However, Markov loves the Canadiens and Montreal so I think that Gauthier will take the chance. I’ll be keeping my fingers crossed the entire season that he doesn’t get hurt again though.

      • mrhabby says:

        yemelin may not have signed without markov coming back…just saying.

        • avatar_58 says:

          Oh christ, is this the new “We needed Gomez to get Cammalleri/Gionta” bit?

          • Mike D says:

            mrhabby is right on the money here. Not gonna comment about the “Gomez brought Gio and Cammy” thing, but you can bet your @$$ this scenario applies in Markov helping bring Yemelin over.

            – Honestly yours

      • habs03 says:

        The thing is about the Wiz, is that he has had 3 ACL/MCL injuries to the same knee in a span of 2 years, this past year and half has been the only time he has been full healthy. The gamble on the injury goes to both of them.

        • Hobie Hansen says:

          Did not know that, hmmmmmm

          • habs03 says:

            Most don’t, the past 2 years has been the only time he has been healthy, that’s why many didn’t know much about him earlier on.

        • habs365 says:

          habs03: I like both Markov and the Wiz, I think their gonna want $4,000,000 each per year, that would be a big gamble for players with fragile knees, but who knows they could play for years to come. I wouldn’t take the chance for that reason I’d spend the money on upgrading our offence. our D is not bad Gorges will be back and a couple of good prospects on the way good things may happen in training camp, it’a a hard decision for PG.

          • habs03 says:

            I think we will only keep 1 so we can spend money on a forward, but I’m just saying if your going to bring up Markov having injuries issue, Wiz injuries have to be bought up too.

          • Mike D says:

            habs365, for a guy who posts here a lot, it seems that you don’t read a lot of the articles. 4mil for Markov?!?! Not even close! Maybe if they signed him to an 8 year deal or something. Marky’s gonna get at least 5mil, and I wouldn’t be surprised if some team threw that much money at Wiz too.

            – Honestly yours

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      Or it means the team will be looking to dump Spacek. I doubt Yemelin is being brought over if we’re letting Markov walk. We’ve already had a few messes trying to integrate European players into the organization without a good support system in place.

      – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        I would hope that PG is going to be aggressive and creative in designing the team for next year.

        It might not be possible in the end but he needs to really try to sign Wiz and Marky and dump Spatch – perhaps by trading him to a team in the Czech Republic. Or if not Wiz, then one of Vancouver’s free agents.

    • Clay says:

      We lose Hammer’s 5 mil contract, so not a problem to sign Wiz, no? Why is everyone so on edge with this? We have the cash to sign both. And burying Gomez where he belongs could buy the forward or 2 this team needs…just sayin’.

      __________________________
      The only interesting answers are those which destroy the questions. ~Susan Sontag

      • punkster says:

        They won’t bury Gomez. Bank on it.

        ***Subbang Baby!!!***

        • Clay says:

          Thus the ‘just sayin’ … ;)
          However, we can afford the Wiz and Markov, if my reasoning is sound.

          __________________________
          The only interesting answers are those which destroy the questions. ~Susan Sontag

          • punkster says:

            True. And it would be nice.

            ***Subbang Baby!!!***

          • Mike D says:

            Thing is Clay, your reasoning isn’t sound. I’m all for what you’re suggesting btw so it’s not that I wouldn’t like to see it happen, but your reasoning is flawed because although we could technically allocate Hamr’s money to Wiz, that’s only for this season. What happens the next year when we have to re-sign PK and Carey?
            If you think Wiz is gonna accept a 1 year deal, you are dead wrong. Wiz will get offers of 4-5mil on probably a 5 year deal. That’s what makes managing the cap so tough. You have to prepare for years to come, not just the current year or following year.

            – Honestly yours

      • avatar_58 says:

        I don’t get it either. As if Wiz is going to command a salary equal to a top 6 forward or something

        • Mike D says:

          He will. Assuming you consider 4-5mil the salary of a top 6 forward. I don;t think Wiz is worth that much because of his defensive liabilities and his past injuries, but that doesn’t mean he won’t get it from some team out there.

          Offensive defensmen who can quarterback the PP and have a rifle of a slapshot are at a premium in this league. Factor in his age (27) which puts him typically where Dmen begin approaching their prime and you’ll see what I mean.

          – Honestly yours

  37. habs365 says:

    This site is like been at a bar, every body is right and if you don’t allow me to be right I’m gonna call you names.

    By the way, the team that plays their hardest and their best will win the cup.. so far Boston—-Montreal in 7, Philly in 4, Tampa down 2 to 1.

  38. HardHabits says:

    NHL and Gary Bettman are denying that the Thrashers are moving to Winnipeg. I would bet anyone that the league would rather keep the team there and lose money than go to the ‘Peg and make some.

    • mrhabby says:

      atlanta is the 9th largest market in the states.
      if thrashers go to the peg they will reside in the smallest market in the NHL.

      I can’t wait for bettmans spin if it goes ahead.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      I’m not positive how all the financial aspects come together but I’ve heard a few people mention that because the arena in Winnipeg only holds 15,000 people and if the Canadian dollar ever drops 20 cents below the American, a team in Winnipeg could get into trouble.

      • mrhabby says:

        Salaries are paid in US funds. Revenue is generated in Canadian funds. if our dollar goes down all Canadian teams take a hit…called negative cash flow ..not good.

        • Hobie Hansen says:

          Correct, but Winnipeg, being the smallest of them all, would be hit the hardest…

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Richest man in hockey owns the team though. Question will be what are his motives. I think he plays there for 5-6 years and tries to move team to Toronto. Thomson has no ties to Wpg. Don’t get me wrong, i am from there and want the team to stay there. I just can’t figure out why all of a sudden Thomsen wants in on the NHL and in Winnipeg. Especially with the Maple Leafs for sale right now. Somthing don’t add for me.

            Great Effort Boys, PG get to work this Summer!

  39. LeeFree says:

    After reading most of the posts in here one could me paint me “sour grapes” or whatever as well; fact is, (1), I will NEVER cheer for a team that took over the reigns from Philly as being the dirtiest team, not being one of, but is! And (2) There is only one team that I have ever cheered for. No bandwagon hopping here!!!

  40. Psycho29 says:

    I have fallen a bit behind, just saw the clip of Ben Eager’s flasher in Vancouver the other night…

    So now HNIC has 2 boobs during play AND in the first intermission????

  41. secretdragonfly says:

    Not hockey related but good article by Mr. Boone in today’s Gazette on a Montreal cat rescue group; how are the allergies, Mike?
    http://www.montrealgazette.com/life/Shuter+shatters+lady+stereotype/4813560/story.html

    Oh, and GO ‘DOGS GO!!!

  42. SeriousFan09 says:

    Down Goes Brown checks in on rating possible relocations for NHL franchises.

    http://www.downgoesbrown.com/2011/05/rating-nhls-relocation-candidates.html

    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
    SF09 on Twitter

    • issie74 says:

      I am so happy for the City of Winnipeg.

      I have to admit,I didn’t think Bettman would let this team come to Canada.

      I was wrong and happy to be so.

      • Clay says:

        He didn’t really ‘let’ it happen – there’s nowhere else to go. It’s that or contraction, it seems.

        __________________________
        The only interesting answers are those which destroy the questions. ~Susan Sontag

  43. Hobie Hansen says:

    For anyone who still doesn’t believe size and toughness is a huge thing in the playoffs, they might want to get their head examined.

    As much as I hate the Bruins, they’re playing great hockey. When the puck goes deep in the opposing team’s end the Bruins big forwards bang and crash in the corners and in front of the net and it’s almost impossible to clear the zone. Then there’s Chara, Boychuck and Seidenberg who pinch along the boards and level people when they try to exit the zone. The pressure they put on other teams is incredible.

    The Habs don’t have to follow that exact blueprint but hopefully management can put together a line or two that can cycle the puck in another team’s end and not be pushed aside with ease. That’s the way to score some five on five goals, instead of always trying to score off the rush. We need people banging and crashing their way to the front of the net on occasion.

    We have some gifted offensive players, stars in the making with Price and Subban but we need some bigger bodies, some with a mean streak, to round out the team.

    • mrhabby says:

      most of the team is not built to crash and bang..our top six no way, even some of our bottom 6 don’t crash and bang . it would require another rebuild or whatever you want to call it. habs are all about speed through the neutral zone and skill with quick puck movement.
      don’t get me wrong ..i would like some nastiness in the lineup.

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        I’m afraid you’re correct. However, I’m not sold on the idea of relying only on speed and skill to get us to the promise land.

        The Habs can come out flying in the first round and put teams back on the heels but it seems that sooner or later, when the long grind of the playoffs sets in, Montreal’s smaller teams over the years begin to wear down.

        Maybe I’m wrong, but if you take a look at all the cup winners over the years, they all have hand full of big and tough players who elevate their game in the playoffs and are often the difference in winning or losing.

        • habs03 says:

          Size isn’t as much of a factor as it once was, size for the Center position is now almost irrelevant, while I do agree that you need some better big wingers to battle in the corner, size is not a huge issue for the Habs, look at Det, look at how Boston needed to win in OT in game 7 and needed 3 OT wins to beat an injuries Habs team, where was the size of Lucic and Horton(Horton was horrible, had a few OT goals that made it seem like he had a good seriers).

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            People forget that Detroit had some real big and tough players. Guys like Shanahan and Holmstrom were key factors in those cups. causing havoc in front of the net.

          • habs03 says:

            Shanahan played one season with Det since the lock-out, Wings have 2-3 big bodied forwards

          • HardHabits says:

            Size will always be a factor in any physical sport. To say size isn’t as much of a factor is akin to saying that muscles are not a factor or physical conditioning is not a factor.

            Speed and skill are also factors. The Habs have speed and skill but with the over-all average size of their forwards it’s not enough to get them through 4 rounds of play-off hockey.

      • Mark C says:

        That’s the whole point, Montreal’s system/style does create huge match-up issues for some teams. The big bad Flyers are 4-7 against Boston in the past two playoffs, Philly’s toughness/size is cancelled out by Boston’s and the series come down to goalie play, health, which team has more play “step up,” and bounces. Montreal’s system/style really becomes an issue for Boston to deal with.

        Montreal does need to add some size/toughness, but they have to be mindful that these players must first fit into the system/style, i.e. be able to skate, play D, and transitional hockey.

        • issie74 says:

          They can go to the Panthers and make a deal for Gudbranson.Kid is a big Habs fan.His whole family wore Habs jerseys to the draft.
          Just saying if you want to get bigger,younger and tougher.

      • punkster says:

        Hey MH…long time. I agree, no rebuilds please. The pieces of the puzzle are coming together. We called it last fall, remember? A couple of larger, tougher forwards and a tough D. Well, the D should be fine and if PG can corral some additional talented size up front we should have a well rounded attack.

        ***Subbang Baby!!!***

        • mrhabby says:

          hey P..doing well. hope all is good with you.
          yes , i remember our discussion last year about the team and which way to go. iam hoping some larger bodies/nasty players but no need for another rebuild EKKKK.. we have some good pieces but just missing some of those elements. it should be an interesting summer for PG. I will be around reading posts etc , etc.

      • pat s says:

        MRHabby –well than lets rebuild. Gainey made our team into the softest team in the NHL. That european. speed model bs doesn’t work–our model of hockey is made for a european league–how did the fans of montreal and media not only allow but also to believe in him to implemment that model is beyond my understanding

        • punkster says:

          Beyond your understanding? Well, that explains it then.

          ***Subbang Baby!!!***

          • pat s says:

            Come on punkster,

            no need to get personal, at the end of the day, these players still get their money and we don’t get paid for being fans

          • HardHabits says:

            pat s: you have to forgive punkster for being amongst the most jaded apologists here, it comes from years of being a Leafs fan, he’s accepted mediocrity as a standard

          • pat s says:

            HardHabits–i understand what you are saying,

            if he is a leaf fan he should be nice to me b/c I like Burke as a GM (LOL)

          • punkster says:

            Poopoo head.

            ***Subbang Baby!!!***

          • punkster says:

            “Was” a Leaf fan, boys…was, as in the past. No apologies either. My Leafs were The Toronto Maple Leafs, winners of 13 Cups, 4 in my formative years. Have a look at those rosters some time and then tell me I accept mediocrity. You’re children when it comes to understanding what this game was like before the goons took over and expansion turned it in to a money game. And I mean that in the kindest of terms, boys. You can read the histories but if you weren’t there to see it you just have no idea.

            ***Subbang Baby!!!***

      • Habitoban says:

        Seems to me that Vancouver has “speed through the neutral zone and skill with quick puck movement” AND can “crash and bang” — I guess we can dream.

    • habs365 says:

      Gotta say Hobie, you have the best comment of the day so far.

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        Thanks man. I love the Habs like the brother I never had ;-).

        I often get accused on here for wanting to load up on goons or for being a Don Cherry lover. I actually get super annoyed with Cherry like everyone else but his analysis on players, teams and coaches is often correct. It’s all his other crap like commenting on non hockey related stuff that’s ultra annoying.

        All the Canadiens teams in the past had heart and soul guys like Muller, Keane and Corson, to name a few. Those guys would go to the end of the earth and back to try and win a game for their club and often put their bodies through serious punishment.

        Montreal has to sprinkle their team with a few players like the ones I mentioned and I think we’re right there!

        • habs365 says:

          I get accused of a lot of things, just consider whom it comes from
          at least your comments are good one’s and you know hockey unlike a lot of others. I may not be good with words but some comments on here like kids reporting…….

    • SmartDog says:

      You’re right. But you forgot another crucial strategic asset of their game. The team has an a-hole mentality and will stop at nothing to injure other team’s players. And they have the sense to suit up the son of the league’s disciplinarian so they can get away with it. New York may not be able to buy a cup, but Boston looks like they just may coerce their way into one.

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        That’s true SmartDog but just like in football where defenders try and knock the quarterback out of the game to give their team an advantage, it happens in hockey too.
        Fans in Montreal, myself included, have watched the Canadiens put a tiny team on the ice for almost a decade now and have been lulled into believing that hockey should be played similar to the way an All-Star game is played.
        In reality, the NHL is a very violent league where people hit to hurt and try to wear down teams in the playoffs. If Montreal continues to ice the smallest group of forwards year after year the odds are that they’ll get rubbed out in the playoffs.
        All the teams we play are just as gifted offensively but also have size and toughness. It’s like trying to race a Honda Civic SI on a dirt track against a Subaru Imprezza AWD. Sorry for the lame comparison lol.

      • mrhabby says:

        agree on the a-hole mentality they have. would like to see some of that on the habs.

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      Never disputed the Habs need some bigger bodies, IMO there should be a power forward type on each of the Top 6 lines plus some more talent on the 3rd line to have the key 3 lines deep that a lot of Cup hopefuls like to have.

      The draft is addressing this issue, Habs haven’t drafted under 6′ until the 5th round of the draft in their last 3 draft classes. Just need more time for it to pay off as patience is the rule with prospects.

      – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        Ya Serious, you’re right. We’ll just have to be patient. I’m positive Gauthier saw that the Habs were out gunned in a few areas this year and will do his best to fix the issues without making any knee-jerk moves.

        I can’t wait for Tinordi to be ready to play in the NHL. I’m guessing he’s probably still 2-3 years away?

        I’m going to go see him play for the Knights when they play the 67s here in Ottawa.

        • SeriousFan09 says:

          Tinordi will be taking another year in the OHL almost certainly, than 1-2 years in the AHL IMO before he’s ready to suit up for MTL, depends what kind of strides he makes in his development in the next couple years. He underachieved this year but with a guy his size it can take longer for them to adapt, not everyone is Tyler Myers after all.

          Big key for MTL is a really good 2011 draft, including a 1st-round selection that turns into a viable contributor.

          – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
          SF09 on Twitter

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            I’d be thrilled if Tinordi turned out to be a solid stay-at-home defenseman that clobbers people that can ride shotgun with an offensive defenseman like Subban, one day.

        • pat s says:

          HobieHansen–I hope Tinordi can play in the NHL also–he will be a force out there–he can definitely fight, now i just hope he can play good hockey–i’m going to go watch him play in ottawa also unless he makes noise at trainning camp and gauthier keeps him–i think he needs to develop more however

    • pat s says:

      Hobbie Hansen–great post–

  44. Hoegarden says:

    Should Beantown win the cup, the Habs would have the second longest drought (after the Laffs of course) from the original six. We do not want that now do we ?

  45. RetroMikey says:

    I agree Boone, Boston is playing better and with confidence, and too many sour puss fans of ours here that cannot accept defeat lightly when we lost to the Bruins and are too stubborn or arrogant to wish them good luck to go very far in the finals. Where the heck is the sportsmanship?
    As I have said before, this team is the real deal whether fans here like it or not and Gauthier should take a lesson or two for the team on what needs to be done to bring a Cup back to Montreal.
    So let’s all be civil and root for an original 6 team in the Bruins to win the Cup, they’ve earned it.

    “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

    • Mattyleg says:

      Hmm… I think that there’s a happy medium between being bitter and twisted and ‘rooting’ for a team.

      Just watch and credit them with what they do. That’s what I’ve been doing. With all of the teams. I liked the way TB was playing, but I have to admit that Boston’s got one better on them.

      I haven’t been crazy about Vancouver’s play in general, but they totally schooled San Jose.

      No need to cheer for anyone, just appreciate good hockey when it’s played, is all.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • shiram says:

      Habs and Boons are rivals, bitter bitter rivals, more so after this season. I cannot cheer for them, at all.
      I despise their tactics, and the way they they send out their bruisers when they are sure to lose.
      I despise the way they interact with the media.
      I despise how their fans came here and tried to goad us into flame wars.
      I despise the Boons and will nerver cheer for them.

    • mrhabby says:

      i would rather have that cup come back to canada after 18 years.

    • Mark C says:

      Yay let’s root along side these fans: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cbROiQit8U

      I’m sure if the shoe was on the other foot, they’d root for Montreal. What a joke.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      You’re just a Bruins fan trolling on a Habs site.

      • RetroMikey says:

        Remember, knowledge is power and not ignorance.
        No need to call me a troll junior.

        “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      Bruins earned it? Yes I guess if you count Zdeno Chara trying to kill Max Pacioretty in the RS that’s ‘earning it’. That series was won with a case of attempted manslaughter two months ago.

      They’re a pack of bullies and cowards. They start fights in garbage time in games they have won or lost, picking fights with non-fighters in some vain attempt to look like they’re tough and avoid anyone who might actually give them a real fight. They trash-talk in the media like they’re respectable and everyone else should kiss their feet. They say everyone is embellishing their injuries, until someone injures one of their players than that player needs to be banned for life from the NHL. Their media seems to be a collection of illiterate fanboys with press passes to boot.

      – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

      • Mike Boone says:

        Good one, Robert.

        Mike Boone
        Hockey Inside/Out blogger
        Gazette City columnist
        mboone@montrealgazette.com

      • RetroMikey says:

        Come on mate, be a good sport and stop whining about the play of those nasty Bruins! As they say in French, c’est dommage mon ami!
        They’re still playing hockey while our guys are golfing or up at Muskoka or the Eastern Townships at their cottages.

        “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

        • SeriousFan09 says:

          I don’t feel the need to be a good sport about a team that seems content with taking hypocrisy to new heights each season they play.

          – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
          SF09 on Twitter

          • RetroMikey says:

            Mate, you were not even in diapers when the Broad Street Bullies played in Philadelphia winning 2 Cups….time to google and read up on them and learn a history lesson or two.

            “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

          • punkster says:

            RM, those were the dark days of hockey. I lived them and the memories are clear and disturbing. You want this league to continue regressing then by all means celebrate your glory years. Or Gory Years, as the case may be. I’m not squeamish about good, fast, talented, tough, hard hitting hockey. I’m disgusted with goon tactics, head hits, intent to injure plays and WWF/UFC style players. The Flyers of the 70s epitomized that style.

            ***Subbang Baby!!!***

          • SeriousFan09 says:

            I know full well about the Bullies and their antics in the 70s Mikey, I’ve been studying the history of the team quite extensively and know all about that era.

            The issue shouldn’t be “well at least they’re not as bad as the 70s Flyers”, the issue is Bruins are doing their best to drag the game as low as they can.

            – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
            SF09 on Twitter

      • HardHabits says:

        Yeah but what about their faults? ;-)

        You my friend have never seen the Broad Street Bullies play, circa ’73-’76. The Habs beat them with finesse and skill in 1976 yes, but only after they put them in their place in the alleys and the trenches. If Larry Robinson didn’t beat the crap out of Dave Schultz that year the Flyers would have won 3 Cups minimum back in the 70’s.

        • SeriousFan09 says:

          I don’t take well to first thing after waking up seeing that we need to ‘respect’ Boston HH.

          HH, I’ve read a good deal about the 70s Flyers and their antics. I’m aware of the realities of that era and what the Habs did to break them (and if the rest of you have not, pick up Todd Denault’s “The Greatest Game”) but at the same time, this is a different era of hockey. We need tougher bodies in the lineup yes but at the same time we shouldn’t get lost in the idea that you need to be like them or ever have to respect their garbage method of playing. As the resident futurist, I always say the answers are in the system and with Yemelin coming on, the Bruins are going to find the Habs D-zone a far less friendly place next season.

          – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
          SF09 on Twitter

          • RetroMikey says:

            If you see other professional sports, there is always a hug or handshake after a match is played between the players or even in among the spectators attending. It’s called respect SeriousFan.
            So if you can’t respect your arch enemy, you don’t deserve to be a hockey fan or whatever sport you choose to root for.

            “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

          • SeriousFan09 says:

            Respect is earned Mikey, not given. The Bruins have behaved without class, respect for the game or a code of ethics all season. So why should I respect them? They can’t even stop complaining about Montreal after they’ve WON games.

            Don’t tell me what I deserve to be Mikey, no one appointed you guardian of hockey fan behaviour. Such a statement moreso indicates that you don’t deserve to lecture anyone about being a hockey fan.

            – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
            SF09 on Twitter

  46. Bugs says:

    If the Bruins win the Cup, it will not only prove once and for all that God doesn’t exist but also that had He ever existed in the first place, He never liked us anyway.

    Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

    • Mattyleg says:

      If the Bruins win the Cup… wait, isn’t the world coming to an end on Saturday anyway?

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • HalifaxHabs says:

        what’s wrong Matty? aren’t you going to call Bugs out for his Sour Grapes since you say any Habs fan who is rooting against the Bruins is a sore loser?

        • Mattyleg says:

          Oh dear, I’ve put your nose out of joint.

          Bugs was being funny. I like funny.

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • habs365 says:

            Matty: see where I’m coming from regarding the HalifaxHabs guy
            I would say he drinks beer, watches hockey that makes him think he knows hockey probably never had a pair of skates on, seen and listened to a lot of those guys…cheers

          • HalifaxHabs says:

            hahaha… great job Matty…. now you have guys like Habs365 & Pat S on board with you.

            thinking back to the quality of their usual posts, you must be pretty happy about the company your keeping.

            I won’t even waste my time responding to Habs365 insults, because his posts are barely readable.

    • Keith says:

      Agreed. The “Dark Side” is taking over Bugs. Just like in the movies.

    • BsFanforLife says:

      A touch dramatic dont you think?

  47. JayBee says:

    Boston will be in this position for many years to come. They’re a solid team. Just need to tweak their D a bit, but they’re a solid team. Don’t forget that Savard isn’t even playing.

    If they win the cup…I’ll probably have to stay away from hockey for a bit. Not only is it Boston…but…when you figure just how close the Habs were to beating them, the bad blood this year and the Pacioretty incident….a stanley cup win will be unbearable.

    I hope and pray that Vancouver can sweep them.

  48. HabFanSince72 says:

    Vancouver is our last hope.

    They are better than Boston.

    • HabsFanInTampa says:

      What do you mean by “our”?

      • HalifaxHabs says:

        really?

        “our” refers to Habs fans… as in he feels Boston will beat TB, and Vancouver will be Habs fans last hope to stop Boston from winning the cup.

        • HabsFanInTampa says:

          I disagree. As a Hab’s fan, I think Tampa still has a chance to pull this series off. Of course, I’m bias.

          • HalifaxHabs says:

            I do agree with you, that Tampa still has a shot… we’ll see in game 3.

            but yeah if they don’t, it looks like Van city will be our last hope to stop the Bruins.

        • pat s says:

          HalifaxHabs—I’m a habs fan and i don’t care who wins the cup With all due rspect, you sound like a Bruin fan when we used to beat them all the time–no difference

          • HalifaxHabs says:

            lol, good for you Pat S… but I think we know the difference between me and you.

            You are in here everyday going on about how great Boston is. I hate Boston and cannot cheer for them, you do not hate them, and are hoping they win the cup so you can come on here and say ‘I told you so” to all the posters who don’t agree with your every word.

            It’s funny that you would actually say to me I sound like a Bruins fan, when half the posters in here think you are a closet Bruins fan.

          • pat s says:

            HalifaxHabs–are you kidding me, anybody that knows me will laugh at that post–since a kid i hated boston but it doesn’t mean i don’t like the way they play–

            why do you think Chris NIlan is my all time favorite hab player. When I was kid, I had to hear how Johnathon knocked out Bouchard–I hated that Johnathon but i knew he was tough. All my bruin fan friends used to bug me at recess and i couldn’t say anything. And than out of no where comes Chris Nilan and he took on anybody with a bruin jersey and he was able toplay hockey. Now at recess, my bruin fan friends had to shut their mouths and just watch me be happy b/c Boston no longer can bully us with Chris Nilan in the lineup.

            Please do not put words in my mouth. It does more good by making montreal’s management more accountable than trashing the bruins–it called displaced anger when you do that.

          • HalifaxHabs says:

            “anybody that knows me will laugh at that post”

            newsflash Pat – all your friends aren’t here to tell us what a great Habs fan you are. Here you are judged on your posts, and all you post everyday since the playoff began is how great you think the Bruins are. We all watched the same series you did, we all know the Bruins are a big and tough team that knocked the Habs out of the playoffs. Thanks though for posting the same thing every single day about how the Habs need to be more like the Bruins.

            “It does more good by making montreal’s management more accountable than trashing the bruins”

            really? you think your posts do Montreal management good? that you are somehow helping Montreal management be held more accountable then they already are?

            wow buddy, just wow.

            Keep it up, see you next time.

          • pat s says:

            HalifaxHabs–yeah, i just made up that story about Nilan and when I was a kid–

            give me a break

        • Mattyleg says:

          I think supporting against a team is petty and shows very poor sportsmanship. That’s the kind of poor sportsmanship that lots of people on this site have blamed Boston fans for having. A rivalry, in my opinion, goes as far as when teams play each other. Beyond that, if someone can’t respect a team for good play and credit the lucky bounces they get…
          they’ve got as much sour grapes as Grapes himself.

          If the Bruins win the Cup it’ll be because they deserved it.

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • HalifaxHabs says:

            did I say they don’t deserve to win? nope. They were the better team when it mattered.

            will I sit back and say “I’m glad they won the cup because they deserved it” if they win the cup? no I won’t

            If it makes you feel better about yourself to call me “Sour Grapes”, then knock yourself out… but fock Boston and all their players and fans.

          • Mattyleg says:

            I didn’t call you anything, HH.
            This ain’t a playground, and I’m no longer 7.

            If you consider yourself as being “someone who can’t respect a team for good play and credit the lucky bounces they get,” as I mentioned, then that’s a shame for you, really.

            No name-calling.

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • Ton says:

            Your generally talking about what a good rivalry is like, this goes beyond that. Many of here can clearly can answer yes to this question; did Bruins play the Canadiens clean and did that one play in the regular season change the outcome of our series? It was not a hockey play or it could be debated all day long. With this said how can you expect all habs fans to cheer this team along. I think you live in a perfect world, how much sportmanship is in the game, winning comes first because its the difference between profit or no profit.

          • HalifaxHabs says:

            No name calling eh? well you called me petty, said I had poor sportsmanship, and sour grapes, because I don’t share the same point of view as you.

            Just because you choose to dress up your name calling by saying things like
            “I think supporting against a team is petty and shows very poor sportsmanship.” & “Beyond that, if someone can’t respect a team for good play and credit the lucky bounces they get… they’ve got as much sour grapes as Grapes himself.”

            doesn’t mask the fact that, you are calling me those things because I have have a different point of view than you.

            and don’t get me wrong, you are entitlted to your feelings on the matter… I just disagree with you, and don’t feel that makes me all of things you describe above.

          • Mattyleg says:

            Ton,
            I think that people are being very defensive and not really reading what I’m writing.
            I’ve never said that we should support the Bruins. I never suggested rooting for them. I don’t cheer for them, I just watch the games.
            I just think that saying things like “Vancouver is our last hope” is silly. Cheering against a team is poor form. That’s all. Don’t have to cheer for them, but hoping someone else loses is sad and small-minded.

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • HabFanSince72 says:

            No if the Bruins win the cup it’ll be because the league allowed them to play goon hockey. Chara would have been suspended for a year in any other sport. Horton and Lucic should have been suspended several times already in these playoffs.

          • Ton says:

            Matty I understand you point but when one beats you is it generally concluded that you cheer for them as they move on. Too much has much has happened with this rivalry this year. Maybe its peak but there were things that happened that created bad blood, bad blood does not go away therefore in most cases you look to create more. Not right but it is what it is. I have a good perspective but if you ask me I cannot find a place in my heart for Boston Creme Pie, Boston Pizza and of course the Boston Bruins. The rivalry has peaked but they are a very good team I will say. They create winning conditions for themselves legal and non legal, its the way Cam Neely played!

          • Mattyleg says:

            HFS72,
            If the league allows it, it’s allowed.
            Like the Rangers’ Cup.
            If we had calls go in our favour, we’d roll our eyes and say that we dodged a bullet.

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • pat s says:

            Mattyleg–that is my position also–nicely stated

  49. eric says:

    Good to see Boucher go nuts after the MAB hit on Krecji. JM would have been standing there taking notes with no expression on his face

  50. habs365 says:

    Boston’s management made all the right moves in the pass couple of years to win a cup, starting with size, toughness, scoring, pretty good defence and goaltending when you have all those components in place you have a good chance at winning a cup. I don’t like the Goon stuff but if it’s working and other teams can’t match that’s life.
    Tampa bay is not out of it yet but I think Boucher’s 1-3-1 means they’ll be gone in 5. Boston have TB figured out, like they did with the Habs though it didn’t take as long. they’re smelling the cup and realizing you don’t get this chance very often let’s give it our all…..

    • Malreg says:

      You obviously haven’t watched much of this series, or don’t know what 1-3-1 even means. TB didn’t use it all the first two games. I didn’t watch the game 3 so I can’t comment on that game.

      And Boston hasn’t gooned anything up in the playoffs… That style of hockey does not work in the playoffs, just ask Ben Eager. And I would hardly call winning 2 of 4 games in overtime, and not even outscoring your opponent in a 7 game series “figuring a team out”, but that’s just me.

      • HalifaxHabs says:

        LOL Malreg, you are correct, but you are wasting your efforts responding to that guy

        • habs365 says:

          HalifaxHabs: you’re not the sharpest knife in the drawer

          I have more time in skates then you do in shoes, I see your stupid comments all the time. why don’t you write one that makes sense….

          • punkster says:

            Bull.

            ***Subbang Baby!!!***

          • HalifaxHabs says:

            you are complete BS Habs365… I would easily skate circles around you… and your posts are so bad, I know I can also write circles around you, or anything else that is required.

            you should just be happy this is the internet, and not a sheet of ice.

      • BsFanforLife says:

        They got back to more of a 1-3-1 last night though there were times where the did slide a 2nd forechecker up to try to switch things up. personally i thought the difference was, unlike in the Bruins-Habs series where we were trying to beat your trap with home run passes, the puck was carried into the neutral zone before the dump and chase occurred.

  51. Mattyleg says:

    As soon as we lost to Boston, I said that they would go to the finals.

    I see them as serious cup contenders, and I’ve said as much, and received flak for it.

    As little as people want to admit it, we had a strong, solid team that could have taken Washington, Philly, NYR, Pittsburgh, or Buffalo easily. We took Boston to 7 games instead, and we’ll see who else is capable of that.

    As I’ve always said… we only lose to the best.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • boneheadslanger33 says:

      Boston will find a way to choke as they always do, whether it’s in the ECF or the Final, it will happen. The way I see it, is there really only is one non-choke team still playing. I expect Tampa to win it all…
      Couldn’t agree more with you about the Habs…

  52. Ton says:

    Reading posts this morning about how strong the bruins are and possibly can win the cup. Face reality folks I am, and its hard; they can win the cup, they are a good hockey team. But this also tells us how good of team we were. It was our series to win no doubt. Having said this I don’t want them to win and they better win it now. Chara is on his decline, he’s getting beat against faster players and on the agressive fore check, Kaberle will not be resigned and they gave up quite abit for him. The rest of their D is average. Bergeron is a good hockey player but fragile. In the rest and now Seguin they will have a good core of forwards but not overly better than us or any other team. Tim Thomas is getting up in age and could be rebound with a bad year. We have this before. In the meantime lets prepare ourselves for eating some crow should they have a parade in boston this year.

    • Mark C says:

      Re: Kabs. If Boston makes the finals, they have to add a 2nd rounder to the trade. In final it would be: Joe Colborne (former 1st), Boston’s 2011 1st, and Boston’s 2nd.

      Crappy GM PG only gave up a 2nd and 5th for Wiz, who was a better player than Kaberle and played in 20 more games for his new team.

      • habs365 says:

        Don’t forget Mark. Wiz has Fragile knees and looking for big money should his career end early…..

        • HalifaxHabs says:

          Mark isn’t talking about Wiz’s contract status next year… he is pointing out that Pierre Gauthier paid WAY less for Wiz, then Boston paid for Kaberle, and Wiz was way better for the Habs then Kaberle is for Boston.

      • Malreg says:

        Could you imagine the revolt that would have happened if PG had traded Leblanc(equivalent to Colborne), a 1st, and a conditional pick for a rental player who hadn’t seen the playoffs in 7 years?

        • HalifaxHabs says:

          riots in the streets

        • Mark C says:

          Ha! If that happened, tomorrow might actually be the end of the world. People around here bemoan fringe players, such as Lappy winning a few face-offs for another team or Higgins having a big check. Many said Montreal lost the Moore trade because a 2nd rounder was too much.

  53. JF says:

    Much as I dislike them, I have to admit that the Bruins are a very good team. They’ve dismantled Boucher’s system, and so far the Lightning have no answers. They were able to generate very little sustained pressure, their long passes were constantly picked off or became icing calls, and they didn’t really test Thomas a lot. Boucher will have to make some adjustments, starting with short quick passes.

    But it looks as though Boston will get to the final. As they did against us, they started slowly, but they played two great periods in Game 2, and last night they were almost flawless. It’s looking like a Boston-Vancouver final, and, if Thomas outplays Luongo, the Bruins could win it all.

    The Habs were two goals away from eliminating them, but I don’t think this means we’re as good or almost as good as they are. The key was our failure to take a stranglehold on the series when we had the chance. I think if we had more offensive depth, we would have done it, and we would have won at least one of the games that went to overtime. The moves Gauthier has made in the last few days suggest he’s on the way to sorting out the defence, but he absolutely has to add some offensive depth if we’re to be a serious contender. If he can sign Jagr, good; but he’s got to come up with something or we’ll be in the same position next year – great goaltending, probably better defence than this year, but not enough offence to go far in the playoffs.

    • pat s says:

      JF–I agree with 90% of what you are saying. Yesterday, the bruins contolled the ice, they controlled the boards We don’t have the soldiers to go to battle for the cup. I don’t mean goons but players that play at all costs to win. Like Marchant, Horton, McQuaid, Boychuk, Lucic, players like that make a difference not in scoring but with intensity–they make their teams play with hatred.

      It is a no brainer that we need to go with this direction if you want to win 16 games in the playoffs. PLayers like Jagr are going to do us no good. He will disappear in a series like this–he’ll say to himself “I’m not going to get hurt”, in other words win at all costs is not his vocabulary.

      All the 3 other teams also have players like I described. Montreal does not put a priority on these type of players–they like going to watch games overseas.

      • JF says:

        I think we had the intensity and the mental toughness. Maybe we need to get a bit bigger, but I think our guys play to win. We just don’t have enough scoring. We got almost no scoring from our bottom two lines, a key difference from last year’s run. Last year Dominic Moore, Maxim Lapierre, even Travis Moen scored important goals for us; this year Halpern and Darche each scored one, but that was it. If we can’t score, we won’t win, no matter how big or physical or tough we are. I’m not saying Jagr is the ideal solution, but, given the thinness of the UFA market, he’s a possibility.

      • habs365 says:

        Pat s: you have it right should the Bruins beat Tampa and play either Vancouver or San Jose they’re gonna turn it up more to me they have the perfect stanley cup team no quit…..

    • Bouleau noir says:

      We were in overtime against them on the 7th game….. we were one goal away from moving on to the second round.

      Anyway, I agree with you that our offense will need to improve from what it was last season….. specially when 5-on-5 but before going out fishing for expensive UFA you have to consider if improvement on offense can come from within.

      A full year from Pacioretty should increase our goal production, he was on a pace for a 30 goal season but only played 37 games.

      Pouliot was our highest scorer on our depth line with 14 goals but both Eller and Desharnais who only played half a season should help increased our goal production from the depth lines.

      Subban, no longer a rookie, will shurely add a few more goals over his last year’s total of 14 en and if Gauthier gives us Markov for more than 7 games next season WHILE still resigning Wisneski now playing his first a full season with us….. then surely, goals wise, there wouldn’t be any need to look elsewhere for a significantly improved offense coming from our team into their next season.

      • pat s says:

        that 1 goal away is farther than you think—boston was not going to lose to montreal in the 1st round –if they were meant to lose they would have lost

        bruin fans used to talk like this when we beat them–we, as hab fans, are better than this

        • Bouleau noir says:

          ” if they were meant to lose they would have lost “…. what is that supposed to mean ?

          • pat s says:

            they lost, thats what i mean–no excuses, no stories, they lost bottom line–too many stories and excuses on why they lost

    • JayBee says:

      It disappoints me cuz PG could have easily added some offensive depth at the deadline and in true Montreal management fashion, he failed at that. And if he didn’t want to give up anything…that’s fine…Sturm and Zherdev were available.

      It baffles me that he saw Halpern on the 1st line and thought to himself that we needed a bunch of slow footed defensive depth.

  54. 24 Cups says:

    Corey Crawford has just re-signed with Chicago – three years, $8M.

    Funny how it goes. Marty Turco could have had three years for $6M from Philly last year. Now he’s on the outside looking in with his NHL career in jeopardy.

    • mrhabby says:

      Interesting comments on Atlanta.
      if thrashers go to winnipeg they will be in the smallest market in the NHL…peg has a population of 600,000 if memory serves me.

    • Mark C says:

      Nice signing for the Blackhawks. Long-term contracts for young RFA’s seem like an early trend in this year’s market. Would like to see PG be proactive and take a long-term risk on Pacioretty for 4 or 5 years (like the Grabner deal). There would be some risk a in a deal like this, however if Pacioretty is healthy he should be highly productive and cap friendly. This is very valuable given Montreal’s top-heavy cap situation over the next 3 years. Also, it would set some precedent for next year’s long-term contract of Price and Subban.

  55. Maksimir says:

    Watching Boston win is really killing me – I have never disliked a group of players as much as I do these guys, with the possible exception of Bergeron/Seguin. The rest can take the team bus off a cliff.

    Though in a way, I hope they beat Tampa, then take the Canucks to Game7 OT and then lose and don’t make the playoffs next year. Just so they can always look back and think about how they just missed winning the cup for the rest of their miserable lives.

    Gees.. I never thought hockey could make me so bitter.

  56. Old Bald Bird says:

    At the beginning I thought that Boston might win handily. After the first game, I thought I had been wrong. They look determined and powerful. D@mn them all.

    — formerly notbigbird –

  57. arcosenate says:

    Auld was the perfect back up to Price this year, he didn’t play badly at all and he accepted his role. I have no confidence in Boucher after this year’s annual goalie implosion in Philly.

    As long as the Canadian dollar stays strong (and it is going to) a franchise will be doable in Winnipeg, and will add to the league’s profits as opposed to the southern teams’ drain.

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      I’d prefer a guy who can play at least twice as many games and one who could fill in better if Price were hurt. I have no confidence in Auld and hope we can upgrade.

      — formerly notbigbird –

    • 24 Cups says:

      AC – I’ve got to go golfing but a few quick points on Winnipeg. This may not be fair, or relevant, but the Jets never averaged 15,000 fans a year in their entire history. Their new arena sits just above 15,000 and if they filled it every night they would be around 23rd in average NHL attendance. In other words, they just might be a Nashville type franchise which has to apply for revenue sharing. I also seriously doubt that they will be able to attract UFAs or keep young budding players once they can move. You also have to wonder if Bettman is going to make any attempt to get them into the same division as the other three western, Canadian teams.

      It would be interesting to know Atlanta’s real attendance figures seeing that some American teams give tickets away or have cheap seats that run in the $10-20 range. The Thrashers reported average attendance was 13,500 with losses of around $20M. The best Winnipeg could do right now would be 15,000. They certainly won’t be maxing out the cap like some other Canadian teams.

      I’m sure the team will jump out of the gate, but the real test will be five or seven years down the road.

      http://espn.go.com/nhl/attendance

      http://www.curtiswalker.com/jets/attendance.aspx

      • HabinBurlington says:

        In theory I agree with the “seriously doubt that they will be able to attract UFAs” but don’t we have a hard time attracting UFA’s (unless they are friends of Gomez). Edmonton has the same reputation, Toronto seems to have trouble also.

        I think if a team is a consistent playoff performer with potential to go far is the 2nd most important attraction behind $$$$$$ and plenty of it.

        Great Effort Boys, PG get to work this Summer!

      • RGM says:

        Keep in mind that even if that 13,500 attendance figure is true – and I severely doubt that it is given that they had to stage an arrest of their mascot and wouldn’t release him until 5,000 tickets were sold for a game – they’d be pretty close to bargain-basement prices. Season tickets in the cheap seats were a paltry $440 – less than some CHL teams. They would regularly have 2-for-1 weekday game prices, “Kids Days” where two tickets for $40 was the going rate, and certain Thursday games tickets would be as low as $10. So, sure they may have been putting butts in seats, but at a fraction of what fans in Canada are paying for our tickets because an actual demand exists. 15,000 x $60 (avg. ticket price in Canada) is a lot higher than the gates for Atlanta. So while their may not be a ton of butts in seats relative to the Bell Centre, the premium paid to be a butt in a seat would be a vast improvement for the League’s revenues.

        During the long summer, we all get to be pretend GM.

      • SeriousFan09 says:

        I’m not convinced WIN will ever be a moneymaking team but IMO, as long as we’re going to have these boondoggle teams that don’t pay their way we might as well have some north of the border.

        – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
        SF09 on Twitter

  58. 24 Cups says:

    I can’t say I’m impressed with the article on the Flyers and Bryzgalov. The writer mentioned every goalie in the league going to Philly outside of Luongo and Price. BTW, Bryzalov stunk in the playoffs this year. Suffice to say, if Carter is in play, then the Habs should enter the sweepstakes (again!). Same thing goes if Boucher isn’t re-signed. He’s probably is a better back-up than Auld.

    Radulov coming back to the NHL? That would be great for Nashville as they need a real shooter. J-P Dumont is done so I trust that the Habs will not go after him. I also wonder if the NHL might try and move Nashville (or Columbus) into Atlanta’s spot.

    Everyone is all hot the trot over Winnipeg getting another team. There may be an initial honeymoon stage, but I still think this is going to be a very tough go over the long haul. There are many factors that are not in Winnipeg’s favour. It also could be a rough start if the team has to stay in the Southeast for a year. This also has be be a bit of a setback for Quebec City in terms of their logical re-entry path back into the NHL. I can’t wait to hear Bettman’s spin on this failed situation. And believe me, the NHL not cutting it in the 8th largest NA market is truly a failure (paging Don Waddell!) I guess it doesn’t always shine in the sunbelt.

    “There ain’t no sunshine when she’s gone, only darkness every day” (Bill Withers). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIdIqbv7SPo

    http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/40395-Campbell-Thrashers-on-verge-of-Winnipeg-move.html

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I didn’t read the article until i saw your posting. Yah the writer essentially came to the brilliant conclusion that Philly needs a goalie. You don’t call yourselves the Hockey News for nothing, that is brilliant legwork done by the writer. I loved even more that they are interested in Brodeur/Miller/Lundquist. Yup that seems a logical move, never mind the BS 3 way trade, no way in Hell either of those 3 is playing for the Flyers next year.

      Great Effort Boys, PG get to work this Summer!

  59. HabinBurlington says:

    It is not with pleasure I post this…

    I think the Boston Bruins are going win the Stanley Cup this year. This team has so much depth in almost all areas. THey get scoring and physicality (much physicality) from Horton/Ape Jr./Kreigjciehie (can never spell his name).

    Their 2nd Line dominates play starting with face off win after face off win by Bergeron. And they have just now figured out they have one of the top rookies in the league they can play on the third line, which also provide clutch scoring. All the while still providing physicality.

    The only weaknesses on this team is a 4th line that really can’t skate (Paille can) all that well, but does provide a role in continuing the physicality. The other weakness is depth at Defence. However, when Ape Sr. can play 30mins a game (he is finally hydrated, takes 3 weeks to hydrate your average camel/ape that size) and make Seidenberg look good along the way, that tends to really compensate for average/below average dmen on the other lines.

    Again, I don’t like posting this, but this is a solid team which is built for the NHL as it is currently being officiated and run.

    I am not saying Montreal makes wholesale changes and bring goons in, but our strength currently is in speed and skill. We have some newcomers making an impact with size also (MaxPac, Subban) we have a rookie coming in (Y/Emelin) who may also help. But I feel it is IMPERATIVE that 2-3 more players with sandpaper and skill be added.

    We all love Pyatt, but he doesn’t score and doesn’t physically wear out anybody, we can no longer have our 3rd/4th lines emulate our top 2 with speed and no scoring. With our 3/4th lines a little bit stronger we can open more ice/play against worn down dmen and score more.

    Okay done with the rant/story/assesment.

    P.S. GO JETS GO! or Moose or whatever, but Woohoo for WINNIPEG!

    Great Effort Boys, PG get to work this Summer!

    • BsFanforLife says:

      Good post. (minus the ape comments) but I have to disagree with you on one account and that is the weakness of our 4th line. With Seguin now in fulltime that allows CJ to drop Peverley into that 4th wing spot and (though Im a fan of him) drops one of our slowest skaters in thornton out of the lineup and back into the pressbox. Pevs is both speedy AND a good puck mover and will set up both Paille and Campbell to be bigger threats in the offensive zone while not giving up too much defensively.

    • Habitoban says:

      For JM, it seems that strong positional play will trump strong physical play every time. O’Byrne and Laps had reduced ice time and were ultimately cut loose. Mara, Pouliot (yes, he does bang) and White saw reduced or virtually no ice time in the playoffs.

  60. 24 Cups says:

    I’m not about to dump on a 21 year old player, but Steven Stamkos has to step it up if Tampa has any chance of taking this series (same goes for St Louis to a degree).

    Stamkos is primed to become one of the big three in the NHL and part of that learning curve is coming up huge in crucial games. Saturday may just be his biggest game of his young NHL career.


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