Blockbuster trade

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Dany Heatley is on the move again.
San Jose has shipped the sniper to Minnesota for Martin Havlat.

This comes on the heels of the deal that sent Brent Burns from the Wild to the Sharks for Devin Setoguchi.

Dave Stubbs on Roman Hamrlik

Jack Todd likes the Erik Cole signing

• In the Journal de Montreeal, Georges Laraque thinks the team overpaid for Cole ( BGL knows all about wasted salary).  And he predicts Benny Pouliot will burn the Habs

Sniffing around Keith Yandle?

Leafs gamble on Connolly and trade for two Predators

Larry Brooks on the Brad Richards signing

424 Comments

  1. TorontoHabsFan says:

    Is it just me, or does “Brock Trotter” not sound like the best ’70s porn name ever?

  2. Bripro says:

    The only reason I’m concerned about the Brad Richards deal is once he starts to slow down, they’ll try to have the Habs take him off their hands…him and his contract (can you say Gomez/Pyatt-for-Higgins/Valentanko collapse?).
    They tried to dump Frolov on us last year. Who knows, maybe they’ll be able to pull off a straight trade of Richards for Spacek….Well, I can dream, can’t I?

  3. derfab says:

    I think we may have seen something of why mike richards was traded back when he mouthed off about subban. Talk about projection. There is indeed nothing worse for a team than having a selfish brat lead the way. I guess Philly felt he would command too much for what he brought. Then again, it could just be that Holmgren is not too bright. Why they just didn`t sign Vokoun, who could compensate for bad coaching nd the ovi-self in washington, is a mystery.

    • Robert L says:

      Vokoun wasn’t available at $1.5M when Flyers traded for Bryzgalov’s rights. It was only after all teams with goalie needs filled their holes cheaper that Vokoun dropped his price.

      Still, the Flyers’ moves were odd, and reek of a dressing room cleansing. It was Richards who began the Subban bashing in the media. It was stupid, as they are the same breed of competitor.

    • Bugs says:

      I don’t think Richards was “mouthing off” about Soobie as much as he was “putting the rookie in his place”. Nothing wrong with that.
      And doubtful to be the cause of his departure 7 months later.

      Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

      • HalifaxHabs says:

        In my view, for any player who goes to the media to cry about another, “mouthing off” is putting it nicely.

        I’m trying to remember the last time I saw a Habs player crying to the media about another player in the league. Can’t think of any recent examples.

      • kitbeyer says:

        Whether you perceive it as “mouthing off” or “putting the rookie in his place” it was dumb and should have been the least of his worries. He had his own hockey team to worry about. Sure this particular incident may have had nothing to do with his departure but was probably indicative of the attitude that led to the departure. Ya, I’m questioning this “great leader”‘s ability to lead. The best leaders worry about what they need to do, what their team needs to do, to win and usually don’t care so much what the other guys are doing. They just plow through whatever obstacles and win, and usually look like they are enjoying it. If a player needs to be put in his place, they put him in his place, one way or another. They don’t whine to the media about it. Mike Richards usually comes off as a sad little man that can’t be much fun to be around. Not what I’d look for in my leader.

        I know this thread isn’t about PK vs. Richards but I think the incident and their comparison provides a good example of what I don’t like about Richards. First, I think that PK is going to be 10 times the hockey player Richards will ever be. Second, I think PK would make a better captain and leader than Richards simply because he always competes his hardest and I would guess that, for his teammates, he makes coming to the rink everyday to compete seem like a lot more fun than Richards does.

        I think that what the Flyers have done is great for them and as much as I normally dislike them, Flyers fans have a lot to be excited about right now.

        • Bugs says:

          That was my only point, that it was doubtful to be the cause of his departure.
          Have no opinion on any other matter surroundin said player on said team.

          Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

  4. habs_r_us says:

    glad to see managment bring brock trotter bock in the mix he scored 36 goals and was a plus 33 with hamilton the other year he definetly is capable of being the next desharnais.

  5. twilighthours says:

    Except that m Richards is currently better than most of the players you listed, as well

  6. TorontoHabsFan says:

    My absolute favourite is that they run the low-rent “Tek-Savvy” ads in the TTC and make absolutely no mention whatsoever who Laraque actually is. There’s no fine print that say ‘Georges Laraque – former NHL tough guy and internet user” or something…

    He never played in Toronto, to most people here it’s just a picture of a huge Haitian hockey player glaring at you and telling you that you can get a cheap, no contract internet service!

    It would be like a sports drink company running ads in Montreal with Wade Belak (and not mentioning who he is)

    Makes me laugh every time.

    • Habby says:

      I’ve seen those too! And yeah, they should say who he is. Even if they don’t want to mention his NHL stuff they could say something about the Green Party or something. But tbh most people in Toronto don’t know much about the NHL anyway. They don’t even know who the captain of the Leafs is so why would they care about an ex-Hab?

      The drive for 25 is alive!

  7. Bill says:

    Haha, Tim Connolly compares joining the Leafs to joining the New York Yankees? Yeah, and getting drafted by Buffalo must have felt like getting drafted by Man United …

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/leafs-beat/maple-leafs-take-a-gamble-on-centre-tim-connolly/article2084527/

    Full Breezer 4 Life

  8. HardHabits says:

    I love how every body is dismissing other teams and their players. Hopefully the Habs don’t read these comments and underestimate their opponents as well.

    As for the people writing of Pouliot, they sound a lot like the same people who wrote off Boston’s chances of winning the Cup. Don’t be surprised if Pouliot scores 20-25 goals as a Bruin this season.

    Heatley for Havlat is not a block buster. It’s more like a ball buster in exchange for a bone brittler.

    Dubinsky is easily worth a 1st and a 3rd IMO so throwing the added 2nd wouldn’t change that much. The Habs already lost a 2nd for Wisneiwski and a 1st for Tanguay. Better to lose those picks for a young impact player that actually signs for a few years.

    People who think Philly got weaker short term are also deluded. Very, very deluded.

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      a 2nd-round pick is no big deal? Tell that to Shea Weber, PK Subban and Duncan Keith. From 2002-2007, the best defencemen out of a draft group was selected out of the 2nd round three seperate times.

      That deal would cost Montreal for years, important draft picks for a secondary player when it could be giving us some very key players down the road if the draft table is run well. Short-sighted moves to improve the team by giving up that kind of drafting opportunities is just madness and stinks of TOR’s earlier administrations.

      2012 is too good a draft class to just pass it up and say Brandon Dubinsky was worth ignoring the first 90 picks. Any draft class is good enough to say this is a bad idea really.

      - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

      • likehoy says:

        but what about the other 200 second rounders that surmounted to nothing?

        - Gomez is holding down the “overpaid” button

        • SeriousFan09 says:

          And what about the remote effin’ possibility Dubinsky ends up not liking MTL and we have trouble moving him for a lousy high 2nd in a year or two?

          I’d rather MTL keep building through the draft than gamble on a secondary talent.

          - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
          SF09 on Twitter

          • likehoy says:

            well I don’t mind dubinsky or not but I think you’re making too big of a deal on draft picks
            there’s as much uncertainty with a draft pick as a trade but it comes down to what the team needs are.

            - Gomez is holding down the “overpaid” button

          • HardHabits says:

            Obviously you talk to his camp and see if he is interested in becoming a Hab.

            My observation is that you sound desperate about this draft thing. You also sound like you’re still hung-over from the most recent draft. Time to move on.

            Building through the draft. When a team can trade 3 draft picks for an impact player, that is using assets to build. Better to lose picks on a player that get’s signed to term than on a rental.

            Dubinsky would be awesome. Easily worth a 1st and a 2nd. Hands down.

          • SeriousFan09 says:

            Dubinsky is not a real impact forward HH, please. This is romanticizing a player to the point of belief that he’s worth far above what he would actually fetch on the market. 60 players hit 24G or more last year and again, Dubinsky is at best a 2nd-line forward, not a first-liner. We are talking about taking away major draft assets for a secondary player and as you so bemoan, MTL does not have the elite forwards so why dump the picks that offer the best chance of selecting one for another guy who doesn’t hae that ceiling?

            - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
            SF09 on Twitter

    • TomNickle says:

      This is why I love you HH. And think you’re bi-polar. At the bottom of the page you side with Nahlsy and say that he’s right about Phili getting weaker because trading Richards and Carter means losing two all World elite players. Then you go on to say up here that you think anybody who thinks the Flyers are weaker short term is deluded. You essentially just called yourself deluded based on the clashing of your opinions regarding the Flyers and their current and former players.

      Fantastic!

      • HardHabits says:

        Maybe I should have read the whole thread but seeing as with the new format, 5 limit fatigue has people continuing the thread higher, so it becomes fragmented.

        I thought you were arguing simply about Carter.

        So.

        I agree that with Nahsly that Carter is a very good player, better than many you’ve listed. I also think Richards is very good as well.

        However, I think Philly got way better with the trade. Even though I also think that Carter and Richards are in the top 20 forwards in the league, or close. Regardless, I still think Philly got stronger as they converted those assets very well. They got Schenn and picked Couturier on top of picks + Voracek, Simmonds, etc. The Bryzgalov move doesn’t even tarnish the Carter/Richards trade and the Bryz move was retrogressive beyond retarded, IMO of course.

    • Bugs says:

      “Everybody” is dismissing…? That’s means I’M dismissing other teams too, Double-H? And your brother. And my sister’s boss. And the mailman. Everybody.
      See, this is a perfect example of the “generalized argument”, specifically designed to make YOURSELF appear less wishy-washy than eeeeeeveryone else. The strawman is built thusly in order to be burned down more easily, yes?
      In the future, say “a lot of people” instead of “everybody”, please, Double-H. For me? Thanks.
      I won’t be surprised if Poolio scores 20-25, I’ll just be pizzed. Especially if he pots half of those against us.
      Dubinsky ain’t worth a 1st and a 3rd. He’s worth a 2nd and that’s it. It’s not better to lose those picks for Dubi; it’s better to keep our 1st round pick cuz if Dubi was worth it, he wouldn’t be tradeable for another, would he?
      As for people seeing Philly as weaker, you can’t blame’em. Richards and Carter were the offensive engine and now they’re gone. VanR and Giroux now at the helm. Better in the future perhaps but better now, permit some of us to doubt it. And super Bobrovsy super no more but Bryzzie MORE super now? C’mon.
      Couldn’t we just as well say that those who think Philly got BETTER short-term are deluded? It’s just as fair and verifiable as your assertion, no?

      Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

    • JayBee says:

      Dubinsky is not available.

  9. Kooch7800 says:

    Habs just signed Brock Trotter to a one year deal

  10. twilighthours says:

    Tom,

    Maybe I don’t get your point. NHL trades are based on many things, potential and age are just two of them. Since you were supporting the flyers decision to trade m Richards, one of the best all around players in the world now and for the next decade, how can age and potential not be a factor?

    I don’t know you personally, but it strikes me that you have a hate on for him. The Pk incident?

    • avatar_58 says:

      In what dimension is Mike Richards one of the best all around players?

    • TomNickle says:

      I don’t hate him at all. I would love him in a Habs jersey if he could check his attitude at the door. But he isn’t among the elite class of players in the league in my opinion, and neither is his teammate that got shipped off to Columbus.

      Philadelphia made the trades based on potential. Voracek, Simmonds, Schenn, and now Couturier present just as much potential, if not more, than Richards and Carter do. Which only proves my point that potential doesn’t represent a better player. Because Mike Richards and Jeff Carter are better than those other players today, but may not be in five years.

  11. TorontoHabsFan says:

    God I hate SI.com for hockey news. The only mention they have of the Franson trade is a single AP wire report that reads “Leafs acquire Matthew Lombardi from Predators”.

    Only someone with no understanding of hockey at all would characterize the trade in that fashion. Man, Hackel’s articles are great, Dater’s are very good…but after that, SI.com is a hockey graveyard.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Well especially now with Farber away on Medical Leave, they really don’t have much for “real” hockey people there.

      Of course alternative in US is ESPN and Burnside is a complete jerkoff in my opinion. Don’t mind Lebrun as much, but Burnside is wrong so often.

      • TorontoHabsFan says:

        Yeah, ESPN is alright – but the problem is that you have to be an “insider” for so many of their articles, that I just gave up going there.

        Lebrun is a great journalist, and one of the better reasons to turn into Satellite Hotstove, but he’s not enough to save ESPN.com’s hockey coverage.

        It’s a damn shame – those two entities are the biggest sports websites in the world, and neither of them give hockey even a tenth of the attention it needs/deserves.

        Sure hope Farber gets better. He’s a gem.

  12. Ian Cobb says:

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  13. twilighthours says:

    Tom,

    I said that his age makes him more desireable. But be is better (at being a complete player) than most of those guys. And I never suggested that Hossa doesn’t belong on list, but certainly not ahead of m Richards.

    You’re entitled to your opinion. But if these players were all available for a draft today, the. M Richards would be picked 5th or 6th.

  14. Sportfan says:

    The Heatley Trade caught me off guard but i also thought it was hilarious he really under performed in the playoffs its going to be interesting if Miko can help Heatley score more than 30 goals.

    SO what are we still looking for another D-man and a bottom 6 forward?? As long as we find people who play everyday and not derp here and there Ryan Sutter would be interesting lets steal hhim like the leafs stole Franzen!

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Yah but if you can’t score with Thornton feeding you, not sure Miko is gonna be any better. Thornton is one of the top passing centers in the league!

      Suter would be okay, but still would prefer a Babchuk, little more physicality. Plus I have never forgiven Suter’s pops for ending Gretzky’s career! And wasn’t it his pops that cranked Kariya just before Nagano?

  15. twilighthours says:

    Tom, there are some real stretched on that list…

    brad Richards? Marian Hossa? Come on….

    Factor in mike richards’ age and he is more desireable than almost everyone on that list.

    But away your hate-blinders. He’s a unique player, and I was surprised that the flyers shipped him off.

    • TomNickle says:

      Mike Richards’ age doesn’t make him a better all around player than somebody who is 40 years old. Potential doesn’t mean a thing when you’re discussing current ability.

      And yes, Brad Richards is a better all around player. Produces more points, plays the point on the powerplay, is a #1 centre and is good to elite defensively.

      Marian Hossa has been regarded as one of the best two way players of the last decade, I’m not sure where you would get the impression that he doesn’t belong.

      • Mike D says:

        Only thing I disagree with here is that Brad Richards is good to elite defensively. I watched him play as much as I could this year and I noticed that he is actually quite bad defensively. Brutal at times.

        I realize stats don’t always tell the whole story and +/- is among the most bunk stats, but the guy has 716 pts. in 772 games in the NHL and is a career -72. In 10 NHL seasons he’s been a minus player in 6, had an even rating in one, a +1 this past year, once was only a +3, and a +14 in the other.

        He is elite offensively and certainly better than Mike Richards in that dept., but Mike is the better defensive player.

        PS – In your post below when you listed better goal scorers than Carter, you forgot Stamkos and D. Sedin. Possibly also Logan Couture but that might be questionable.

        - Honestly yours

    • HabinBurlington says:

      My thoughts on the trade…

      Philly made an interesting decision here. THey obviously were desperate to change the culture on that team. There is no way Holmgren and Clarke wanted to trade Richards and Carter. Obviously things were much worse behind the scenes than what was played out for all of us to see, along with the team folding like a cheap suit in the playoffs to Boston.

      Philly picked upa couple young players both with some upside but never going to replace Carter and Richards.

      Schenn and Couteriour (sorry for sp. if wrong) could become Richards and Carter or even better, but that is yet to be seen.

      No doubt in short term Philly lost deal, we will see with the development of Schenn and Sean how it finishes. Just not sure how they plan to win a cup in the next two years though as Pronger is on last legs and Ilya has a big contract coming off a poor playoff series.

      CHeers,

  16. HabinBurlington says:

    All credit to Boone and company. Threw out the BGL quotes regarding Benny, fine tune his quote regarding Cole and VOILA instant Commentariat Warfare! Bravo, very good stirring of pot.

  17. bobinsask says:

    The Erik Cole situation reminds me a bit of the Gary Roberts situation a few years ago. Both are regarded as good team players who battled through potential career ending injuries to contribute to their teams. I think Cole will be a solid addition to the Habs and might be exactly what we are looking for to round out the top six.

  18. JayBee says:

    The Laraque hate is almost the same as the hate PK gets from around the league. He didn’t work out with the Habs….let it go. But the way some of you attack him with such vitriol…it’s almost as if he killed your pet dog. Crook? Ha!

    You can crap on him as a player, but not as a person…he’s on route to Haiti right now to help out the less fortunate…while you’re sitting at your desk hurling every insult you can.

    Stay classy

    • Robert L says:

      Laraque’s earned his wrath. The comparison you make to PK is totally misguided. The comments Subban has endured are due to him being cocky as he excels. Laraque gets his vitriol from slamming the Habs moves every chance he gets.

      As for Georges in Haiti, give any Canadian a half million while their unemployed, adding to the millions they’ve already earned, and I’m sure a good majority would find a solid cause to work behind rather than sit at a desk.

      Laraque comes off as a phony opportunist to me. He announces his so called good will much too loudly. It’s all about “look at me!” There are ways of helping that aren’t so disengenuous, but between his bandwagon causes and his bitter attitude towards the team, he’s going to get every ounce of hate right back.

      He starts it.

      • avatar_58 says:

        My favourite was when he said he wanted time off to go to haiti, cried about not getting it, was bought out and proceeded to…..not go to haiti.

        He’s a hypocrite and a whiney d-bag. I actually liked him as a person during his stint, but his antics and bitching have changed my mind.

        • Robert L says:

          He did eventually make it to Haiti, just not immediately. My memory fails on this…it might have been about 20 days after.

          What really got on my craw was his shots at Martin last season. There was no point to it other than stirring trouble. He cites his “friends” in the room and when it comes back around it is learned that no one actually speaks with him.

        • JayBee says:

          Errr…he did go to Haiti. He’s gone several times. It just wasn’t reported. And lets be real here. Some of you are so consumed by hate for him that there really is nothing he can do that would keep you from criticizing him.

          This hate on Hab fans have for Laraque and McGuire is pathetic. Anyone who’s critical of a franchise who has reached the ECF once in the last 18 years is a bitter crook who hates the Habs for not giving them a GM/roster spot blah blah blah….garbage.

          Like I said…the hate for Laraque is so similar to the hate for PK.

      • JayBee says:

        Please tell me how he’s a phony opportunist.

        As far as your Haiti comment. That is complete garbage. Hate is a terrible thing. I must say.

        There are people who make 1000000x more than Laraque does…have 10000000x more contacts and power and do nothing for others. Give me a frigging break. What exactly are you doing for the less fortunate?

        • Robert L says:

          Laraque is a product endorser now, nothing more. He keeps his name in the news, in whatever way.

          What I do for the less fortunate? I work for a company that solicits donations for the Ottawa firefighters, Oldtimers Hockey, the Shrine Circus, and various police association programs across Ontari and Quebec. Each week I meet hundreds of folks who contribute generously to these and others causes. Among them are many who genuinely care about children in tough spots and the sick and less fortunate. A common trait among them is their humility.

          I know a grandstander when I see one.

  19. SeriousFan09 says:

    It amazes me how many people sweat that Pouliot will make us look bad. Do we really believe that Claude Julien is suddenly going to give him the biggest injection of confidence and work ethic (in the gym, which he needs) that any player has recieved in the last few years in the whole NHL?

    We traded a problem player for a problem player in 09-10. MIN squeezed more goals out of that deal than we did but we know that fat heartless punk in MIN will never do anything important for them, just like Pouliot ended up doing nothing important for us. Time to move on, we tried to dumpster-dive on a former high pick and it didn’t work out.

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
    SF09 on Twitter

    • HardHabits says:

      You really need to take a step back. fat heartless punk????

      Dude. You have too much hate going on in you. Let it go dude. Lats who? I don’t even remember him.

      You might want to let go of Koivu to. The Habs are about celebrating championships not their dark age period.

      • SeriousFan09 says:

        I’ll call that petulant little poutine addict whatever I like. Never took the blame for any of his crap, said it was everyone’s fault but his.

        I will salute Koivu’s service as long as I follow Montreal. The guy gave all he had in a dark time and had all the qualities of a true Hab, was not his fault he entered the team’s ranks at the worst possible time. If he was 30 and we had him instead of Gomez I’d say plan the effin’ parade right now.

        - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
        SF09 on Twitter

        • HardHabits says:

          If? If? You’re going to use an if-then argument on me?

          C’mon. That is so weak.

          If Boston didn’t win the Cup then Vancouver would have. Maybe they should write the Guinness Book of What If Records. How about Ripley’s What If or Not?

          And there you go again with taking things so personal. You paint Lats with a Marshmallow Tar and Feather vehemence then go on to Glorify Saku Koivu as if he deserves Sainthood in the Pantheon of the Habs Gods.

          It’s not about the players SF09. It’s about the team. Each player is merely a component. It is the sum of the parts that matter. Not the individual parts.

          I cheer for logo on the front of the sweater, not the name on the back.

          • SeriousFan09 says:

            Latendresse didn’t give a damn about being better or the team winning, Koivu gave everything he had while battling cancer, bad knees and weakened vision in one eye. I know Koivu isn’t up there with the retired jerseys and HOFers, but I will never doubt that he cared as much about winning as the names that are up there.

            My thought was going into 2011-12 with Koivu down the middle, at a younger age, MTL would have a very slick 1-2 punch that could push them a lot farther than we could expect Gomez to.

            I have respect for a player who in am age where the second egomaniacs don’t like what’s going on around them, they demand trades, ridiculous contracts or such, he stuck with MTL, took the abuse on and off the ice and stuck as a true professional.

            - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
            SF09 on Twitter

      • Duracell3 says:

        “You might want to let go of Koivu to. The Habs are about celebrating championships not their dark age period.”

        19 years man. 19 years. We are about losing in the first round, nothing else. Everything else is a dream.

  20. TomNickle says:

    Nahlsy….

    Sidney Crosby, Brad Richards, Zach Parise, Patrice Bergeron, Martin St.Louis, Eric Staal, Pavel Datsyuk, Jonathan Toews, Marian Hossa, Anze Kopitar, Ryan Getzlaf, Joe Thornton, Patrick Marleau, Ryan Kesler, Henrik Sedin, Paul Stastny and Dustin Brown.

    All better all around players than Mike Richards in my opinion. But I lied, I couldn’t come up with 20, just 18.

    As for pure goal scorers who are more adept at scoring than Jeff Carter…..

    Phil Kessel, Jason Spezza, Tomas Vanek, Marian Gaborik, Zach Parise, Sidney Crosby, Evgeni Malkin, John Tavares, Eric Staal, Martin St.Louis, Alex Ovechkin, Alexander Semin, Jonathan Toews, Rick Nash, Anze Kopitar, Bobby Ryan, Corey Perry, Patrick Marleau, Dany Heatley and Jarome Iginla. Well look at that, 20 on the dot.

    On my point that every player who Philadelphia acquired in their blockbuster trades have NHL experience. You said that it was wrong. Please tell me which player they acquired who doesn’t have NHL experience.

  21. FormalWare says:

    Habs probable/potential 20-goal scorers in 2011/12:

    Cole
    Cammy
    Gionta
    AK46
    MaxPac
    Pleks
    PK Subban (e.g. 13 PPG, 2 SHG, 5 even-strength)

    Have I missed anyone? ;)

    Habs: Possessors of the league’s best PK–now, and for the foreseeable future

    • TomNickle says:

      Just Eller and Desharnais.

      • FormalWare says:

        What I wouldn’t give to see Larry even APPROACH 20 goals! But he hasn’t shown he possesses a shot. It’s about the only missing element to his game–but it IS missing.

        Habs: Possessors of the league’s best PK–now, and for the foreseeable future

        • athanor says:

          I would argue that he actually has quite a decent wrist shot — sneaky quick — and that when Martin finally put him in at centre, he started to show his abilities off pretty well. Granted he doesn’t seem to have a slap shot (they’re tedious anyway — big windup followed by a blast that most of the time goes wide) but he let off some lasers.

    • Rugger says:

      DD had 8 in 43 games, outside chance for 20 especially if on the 3rd line with Eller & AK.

  22. Habshire says:

    A lot of Laraque bashing below. For those that never read his side of the story:

    http://oilersnation.com/2010/5/21/georges-laraque-his-side-of-the-story

    • DearyLeary says:

      ROFL

      “I heard when he came to Montreal, he didn’t want to have a tough guy. But Gainey was the coach in the playoffs the previous year, as everybody remembers, and I did a good job against Boston and he played me lots. I assume he must have told him to wait, or whatever.”

      Yeah, you mean the series where we got swept by the Bruins? The one that we got intimidated outta the building? Great job, Georges.

  23. Hoegarden says:

    Trotter back in Habland. 2 way deal, 1 year.

    http://www.rds.ca/canadien/chroniques/322254.html

  24. twilighthours says:

    Chris, I agree with your agreeance of me. I don’t want a laraque type player on the habs. I want a guy who can take a regular shift but can put a beat-down on people when things get out of hand. People are throwing zenopka around, I don’t know if he’s the answer. My dream would be Shawn Thornton – best 4th liner in the league. I would love chris neil too (realize people pan this choice).

  25. Ian Cobb says:

    Without major injuries this year, we will run away with it in the east.

    But like I said a couple days ago, who is going to coach special team now that Muller’s gone.? And a very large concern is there is no one to coach how to win a few face offs now that Jarvis is gone to Boston.???????

  26. BJ says:

    Another brain dead move by management to let Pouliot go and again for nothing as in the Gainey days. The more this Ottawa managerial show goes on the more I think the Molson’s will have to ship both PG & JM out to pasture somewhere. As for Laraque’s comments (à la Lafleur) I think he’s correct in saying it. He may not have been what we had hoped for, as he came to us with a badly damaged back. In any case I like to hear players speak their minds and not the “politically correct” BS many of them layout.

    • JayBee says:

      Pouillot has no value. He’s useless on the ice. Did you not watch him this year? He was awful.

      If he goes to Boston and becomes a superstar then it is what it is. He got more than enough chances…

    • TorontoHabsFan says:

      He tried to move him at the draft. He offered both Pouliot and Pyatt to the entire league – no takers.

      He didn’t “let him go for nothing”, he wasn’t able to get anything for a player whose value has tumbled.

      • BJ says:

        Perhaps you guys are right. I would have liked to see another year. It will be interesting to see if he can produce out of a defensively stifling systems that he played under both Lemaire and Martin. Its a system that plays out as not trying to lose. It doesn’t maximize offensive talent, maybe our HIO journalists should ask Cammi the question and report back to the blog.

  27. twilighthours says:

    Habs can always get out from under the Cole deal by simply trading him back to Carolina.

  28. HabFab says:

    Finally got around to viewing the Cole video and a couple of thoughts;
    at least 2/3 of his goals came on a breakout pass from the LD, Markov must be drooling
    a lot of his points seem to be against us, should reduce our goals against by at least 5
    upgrade on Pouliot so our goals for goes up

  29. Ian Cobb says:

    Pouliot- Boston will put him on the move at the end of this season, just like Ryder.
    From team to team and finally the minors.

    Laraque should keep his big mouth shut, because he can not back it up. He has no credibility, and is a crook. He came here injured, took the money and ran!

  30. Habmyster says:

    Why are we taking up so much space talking about Benny & his potential.How many coaches & GM have been fired because of that word.Laraque,he is old news who care.

  31. thehabsfan29 says:

    Pouliot is the biggest first round draft bust since patrick stefan

    He will Do NOTHING in boston

  32. twilighthours says:

    Posting from phone so forgive formatting.

    Chris: I’ll be the first to admit that I didn’t know what We were getinv with laraque. I thought we were getting a player who cared about his teammates. I was wrong. So was gainey. In the grand scheme of things this is such a minor mistake, yet only continues to come to light as media sources keep giving him a forum. Laraque is and will remain nothing more than a very nice human, but a horrible teammate and hockey player.

    Jaybee: just so you know, despite what you might have “read” or “heard,” brad Richards never considered Toronto. It wAs better LA, Cgy, Nyr. I know this (and only this) because a good friend of mine is good friends with him, and actually spoke to him a few times on july 1. I recall you writing that Richards was strongly considering toronto – and this was never the case.

    • Chris says:

      Twilight: I can definitely live with that assessment of Laraque. I never thought much of him as a hockey player (other than perhaps that he was the best of the fighters, which is something like being the skinniest kid at fat camp). And I hate staged fights, so had few expectations about what he would bring in terms of “team toughness”.

      I’ve always found this notion that fighters can influence team toughness a bit strange…Laraque never played with Plekanec or Koivu (well, he did in the playoffs, but that was just a surreal experience I’ve tried to expel from memory), so how was he going to give those guys more space?

  33. gerrybell says:

    if we are overpaying Cole, what are we doing with Gomez?

    g
    b

    • TomNickle says:

      Anyone who thinks we’re overpaying Cole is drunk. Too long of a contract? Sure, but not overpaying. Somebody who can make life easier for Plekanec and Cammalleri or Gomez and Gionta is worth their weight in gold.

      • Chris says:

        File me under drunk. I will be curious to see how this deal works out in the end.

        Cole is a great guy in the locker room. And he’s coming off a decent season in his contract year. But the two seasons before that?

        120 GP, 29 G, 58 PTS

        Now, that is mitigated by the fact that he stunk up the joint for a terrible Oilers team in 2008-09. And then he had a pair of long injury layoffs in 2009-10.

        Cole’s lifetime playoff record? 43 GP, 6 G, 14 PTS. Not exactly numbers that set my Habs-loving heart a-flutter.

        I would counter that anybody who doesn’t think that there might be a significant risk that the Habs overpaid for Cole is really, really optimistic. :)

        • HalifaxHabs says:

          even when compared to guys ike Leino and Fleischmann also got 4.5/year??

          it may seem overpaid when compared to previous years, but with a rising cap it can’t be compared to previous years. when compared to this years market, it seems within reason.

        • TomNickle says:

          Cole’s game is a style that doesn’t require him to put up point to be an effective top 6 winger. Much like Hartnell, he’ll create space for his linemates with his board play and work in front of the net. He’s a nuisance to deal with. He has a ring, he’s battled significant injury and can mentor Pacioretty and show him what it takes to regain confidence and proper form in battling back from that injury. He has experience with Gomez and Gionta.

          If Cammalleri and Plekanec add 20 points to their totals this season, which I suspect they will, is he worth that $4.5 million?

          He helps off the ice and maybe even more off of it.

        • ZepFan2 says:

          Welcome to Quebec and it’s wonderful World of taxes.

          We overpay just to compensate for the taxes here. Sad, but true.

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    • habs-hampton says:

      Of course we’re overpaying. But after the Entry Level deal, all decent players are overpaid. And we were not going to get a guy like Cole for less than what we paid and at that length. At least PG can’t be accused of “sitting on his hands” for this deal.

  34. joeybarrie says:

    Nothing better than MOTIVATION….
    Whats Boston’s biggest problem? BEATING MONTREAL…
    So why wouldn’t they pick up all the guys they think might play harder against Montreal? Low risk for them. 1.1 million is nothing. He is still an RFA next season, and still young. Maybe they can get him to grow up.
    I still think Pouliot will develop into a more consistent scorer. Give him 2-3 more years and you will see a 20-30 goal scorer. That being said, we got MaxPac and Eller who I expect will be better all around. We already have AK who we are waiting for consistency. No more time to hope Pouliot comes around.
    That being said, I do wish we kept him.
    If the rumors are correct and we are trying to move Moen for a 3 line player, I hope we pick up someone like Frolik.
    Imagine these top 3 line up….
    Cammi Pleks AK
    Gio Gomez Cole
    MaxPac Eller Frolik
    With Desharnais and Darche being able to step in anywhere.
    There is ALOT of opportunity there.

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

    • habs-hampton says:

      Benny is a perimeter play with a good shot. He is the weakest player I’ve ever seen on his skates. He won’t (or can’t) go to the net. No way he scores 20-30 shooting 35 footers from bad angles. If Julien or anyone can get him to change his style and get stronger, he definitely has the talent to score.

  35. JayBee says:

    It’s not Laraque’s fault Carbs/Gainey had no idea how to use him. Why was he successful on other teams? I don’t understand how he gets bashed. Fact of the matter is he’s just one out of the long list of players the Habs had no idea how to use effectively.

    • TomNickle says:

      Habs used him in the exact same way that the Penguins used him. I guess they were idiots when they won the Cup.

    • CHsam says:

      his back was screwed up and he didnt want to fight

      • JayBee says:

        So as soon as he got to Montreal, he didn’t want to fight anymore? LOL. You don’t find it odd that tends to happen with players that come here? Moen stopped fighting as much….Wiz wasn’t as gritty… It’s an identity. If your team identity is to crash and bang then you will get that out of your players. If your identity is turn the other cheek, then that’s what you’ll get from your players.

        Habs have been soft for a while…it has less to do with the players and more to do with the coaching/management/identity.

        You can’t be a soft team, get an enforcer then expect things to change…LOL

        • joeybarrie says:

          Did you not watch the games??? He didn’t fight for us… He ASKED guys to fight. They declined, he skated around thinking he could play as a legitimate scorer…
          Why did Bob Gainey say what he did about the TEAMS code when he made the announcement.
          AND he had a bad back coming to Montreal. He was done as a real fighter, and unfortunately BG didn’t know it.
          Also Laraque was with the Habs when the Pens won the Cup. AND when the Pens went to the Cup final the year before Laraque did not have a SINGLE fight in the Playoffs….

          There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

        • CHsam says:

          What’s your point? That just because he didn’t fight that means the Habs are soft? Wiz wasn’t as gritty? Come on. That guy was a warrior for us. Taking pucks in the face, playing through injuries. If you think coaches could have found a way to make Laraque play better with a busted lower back that made him useless, I’m all for it. He was a healthy scratch a lot of the time because of his injury. I guess that makes the Habs soft.

      • G-Man says:

        Habs did not ensure Laraque’s back was healthy enough to play before signing him. That was a big mistake when they could have actually gotten someone who drops the gloves. Too bad BGL’s rep was 100 times better than he was for the Habs.

    • punkster says:

      BGL took the money then stood squarely behind “The Code” when he got here. Nothing but staged tilts and some stupid intent to injures. I don’t know the man personally so my views are based on his on ice persona only. And in that regard he did not fulfill my expectations.

      ***Subbang Baby!!!***

      • Chris says:

        He always adhered to the code. Look at his fight record and find one that wasn’t a staged tilt.

        Laraque is a pretty honourable guy…he’s not going to go out and beat up a non-fighter for a hockey play. He recognized his role, to fight when the team needed a pick-me-up, and that’s what he did. I would argue that Bob Gainey and the pro scouting staff didn’t do their homework if they thought he was something else, because his track record on that front was pretty obvious.

    • Bill says:

      Right, because Carbonneau and Gainey … how would they know anything about NHL hockey? It’s too bad you weren’t there to help them out.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

    • Gindan69 says:

      Sure, it’s not his fault that he had to send out an invite to fight each time and expected returned and notarized 48 hours in advance. Not his fault that he just take one for the team, grabbed lucic and pound the crap out of him. The boys would have been happy to kill that instigator penalty. It would have been one time and the message would have been sent league wide.

      • BeeGee says:

        Agreed. I think the problem with BGL was not so much the number of fights but the fact he was always getting on with the other team’s goon in an orchestrated meaningless fight that didn’t have much to do with what was going on in the actual game… he’s always talking about the need for a deterrent but he never retaliated after a cheap shot or abuse to our more vulnerable players… I have a hard time believing he was forbidden to..

      • boing007 says:

        Richard R
        Right on!

    • Kooch7800 says:

      BGL was a joke in Montreal. Wouldn’t fight cause of his code. Was always injured and when he did play he was so slow it was brutal to watch. he relied on his rep instead of actually protecting his teammates. remember lucic?

    • issie74 says:

      MacTavish used him in just the same way in Edmonton.

      NorthTOHab

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      We had no idea how to use an enforcer with a bad back who wouldn’t stand up for his teammates b/c he was too busy following “the Code”? Oh well…

      - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

  36. Hobie Hansen says:

    Very hard to get behind the scenes and figure out what type of person Dany Heatly really is….

    From the outside looking in it seems he must have an attitude or work ethic issue.

    With all that skill and talent, if he actually dedicated himself to his team he could be among the best in the league. He’s still in the top 25 but if his heart was in it he could be top 5.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I think this was a good trade for San Jose. Havlat has had some bad injuries, those concussions during the Playoffs the one year, I think he was rushed back.

      But if he can be healthy, the guy provides great talent and works his tail off.

      Heatley just seems to be a headcase (interpret however). Seemed to dissappear with San Jose in playoffs, and just never elevated his play at big times.

      Quite the makeover in San Jose going on. Think Doug Wilson is going for it knowing this may be his last chance to steer this ship. If not a cup final this year they may finally try a new GM.

  37. punkster says:

    Regarding Pouliot:

    po·ten·tial
    adj \pə-ˈten(t)-shəl\
    Definition of POTENTIAL
    1: existing in possibility : capable of development into actuality 2: expressing possibility; specifically : of, relating to, or constituting a verb phrase expressing possibility, liberty, or power by the use of an auxiliary with the infinitive of the verb (as in “it may rain”)
    — po·ten·tial·ly adverb
    Examples of POTENTIAL

    – Doctors are excited about the new drug’s potential benefits.
    – Critics say the factory poses a potential threat to the environment.
    – He is a potential candidate for president.
    – The project has potential risks.

    ***Subbang Baby!!!***

    • Lancer says:

      too bad he uses his butt for an ice cleaner.

    • LL says:

      Re your last sentence P-ster, projects go ahead even with potential risks because:

      No Risk = No Gain ;)

      • punkster says:

        Not judging Poopoo. Just pointing out that the most common word used to describe him on here is “potential”. It’s a word that gets tossed around here a lot.

        And the concept of no risk = no gain? By that view we should have kept Kovy, Brisbois and a hundred other has beens. What about high risk = no gain, or, low risk = modest gain, or, no risk = no gain, or…

        ***Subbang Baby!!!***

        • LL says:

          Yeah, I know what you mean. In some cases the risk is too much.

          Boston is willing to take that. If they succeed with Benny, I won’t be blaming our organization because it is what it is.

          I think he will become Robocop in Boston though, at least for 6 games. :)
          Can’t compare to Kovy because of the huge age difference.

          Edit: Some of the most successful people went for High risk!

  38. Chris says:

    I find it amusing how Boone knocks a guy (in this case, Georges Laraque) and people line up behind to take snipes.

    Alright, Laraque got bought out. But part of the bitterness with Laraque was that most of the people so ecstatic with his signing in the first place clearly had very little to no understanding of what Laraque would bring to the team.

    In 2006-07, Laraque was in 8 fights in 73 games.
    In 2007-08, Laraque was in 13 fights in 71 games.

    The Habs signed Laraque in the summer of 2008, and it seemed like fans thought he was going to fight anybody who touched Cammalleri, Gionta or Gomez. But this was NEVER who Laraque was…he ONLY fought the heavyweights for his entire career.

    In 2008-09, Laraque fought 9 times in only 33 games. Yet many Habs fans were lamenting that he “never” fought now that he had his big contract.
    In 2009-10, Laraque fought 4 times in 28 games.

    So overall , he had 13 fights in 61 games as Hab, all the while playing for a coach who has long been perceived to have no use for fighters. The people who were most vocal about Laraque’s uselessness should perhaps go back and look at what foundation their expectations were built. Because that foundation sure wasn’t reality.

    And this carries into the two articles mentioning Laraque today. As pointed out elsewhere, Laraque notes that you always overpay for UFA’s compliments Cole as a very good hockey player, hypothesizes that Cole might be the perfect guy to wake up Gomez and compliments Pierre Gauthier’s work, particularly regarding the signing of Peter Budaj, a former #1 goalie in Colorado, to serve as Price’s back up.

    Was he wrong to point out that UFA’s are often overly expensive? No…we ALL comment on this all the time. Look at the money that guys like Komisarek, Streit, Ryder, Wisniewski, Hamrlie, etc. got on the open market.

    In the second article, he mentions that Benoit Pouliot could come back to burn the Habs. Here, I can see that this is conjecture…Pouliot has to get his head screwed on straight. But I would be frankly shocked if quite a number of us aren’t secretly thinking the same thing. We gave up on other “headcases” in Sergei Kostitsyn, Mikhail Grabovski, Guillaume Latendresse and Mike Ribeiro, only to see them go on to success elsewhere. Obviously, not every castoff has done well (seen Pierre Dagenais or Alexander Perezhogin recently?), but enough have to create the worry. And Pouliot has teased with skill, speed and some scoring ability in limited minutes. At 24, it is entirely possible he’s a late bloomer, as is the case with other forwards who rely on their bigger frames to create space.

    At the same age, here are the career stats of some other guys who WERE late bloomers:

    Erik Cole: 81 GP, 0.20 GPG, 0.49 PPG
    Scott Hartnell: 372 GP, 0.19 GPG, 0.49 PPG
    David Backes: 151 GP, 0.15 GPG, 0.36 PPG
    Brenden Morrow: 289 GP, 0.25 GPG, 0.54 PPG
    Ryan Kesler: 238 GP, 0.16 GPG, 0.34 PPG
    Ville Leino, Johan Franzen and Johan Franzen: No NHL experience
    Benoit Pouliot: 183 GP, 0.20 GPG, 0.39 PPG

    Pouliot plays lazy, he is still lacking strength (he gets knocked over quite a big for a player of his size) and is inconsistent. But he does have some talent and offensive ability, and his numbers aren’t horrific given that he played in an offensive graveyard (Minnesota) and for a coach who couldn’t stand him and was unwilling to let him make the mistakes he has to make to become a good NHL player (Jacques Martin).

    I don’t think Laraque is a moron for commenting on the possibility of a better fit for Pouliot in Boston. He will get to play third or fourth line minutes and won’t be counted on to produce, something that seems perfectly suited for a kid with confidence issues. I’m not sad to see him go…he simply did not fit with Jacques Martin. But I wouldn’t be surprised (or bitter) to see him thrive elsewhere.

    • TomNickle says:

      Are you saying Guy Carbonneau had no use for fighters? Because Laraque never played for Martin here.

      While you can provide a good list of late bloomers. I don’t think Pouliot’s talent was the issue. Much like O’Byrne, I think discipline and a refusal to address correcting simple mistakes became his undoing here in Montreal.

      • Chris says:

        Ugh…thanks for the correction. With Carbo, it is hard to say whether he had a use for fighters due to the limited track record. He certainly did not seem to want to play Laraque, which was one of Laraque’s beefs. Why did the Habs sign him if they were only going to play him part-time. Where he was being disingenuous was that he failed to take into account how often his injuries (back, groin) limited his ability to play and skate.

        I’m not sure that I agree with you regarding Pouliot. It is hard to correct simple mistakes when you’re nailed to the bench. Pouliot played 11 minutes per game in a season where the Habs desperately needed scoring. He certainly made mistakes, but I sympathize with the kid in that he sat there watching Cammalleri and Gomez make equally brutal mistakes game in and game out and never see their ice time diminished.

        Who knows what went on behind closed doors…maybe the veterans were called out by Jacques Martin. But they certainly didn’t get it the way Pouliot did in the media, and that information certainly adds fuel to the notion that Martin is quite simply a veteran’s coach at this point in his career. It was not always thus…Martin was actually quite adept at developing young talent in the mid-late 1990′s and early 2000′s.

        • TomNickle says:

          That is my only criticism of Martin. That veterans get away with lazy play and mistakes and rookies don’t.

          On Pouliot, I’ve never seen Gomez or Cammalleri pick up the wrong man on the backcheck. But I’ve seen Pouliot do it consistently. That truly is a novice mistake and speaks to how little he cares about defensive work. I think the effort is there with Pouliot, and for that I’m thankful, but a willingness to do the things that can make him consistent and a good teammate on the ice haven’t been demonstrated.

    • SmartDog says:

      Good post Chris.
      I wish the Habs had just worked on Pouliot’s off-season training. Pair him up with MaxPac or something. A few comments from the coach aren’t always enough to get a player past a hurdle. The team that takes the time to help him get a better foundation (literally and figuratively) could have a first line player on their hands.

      • Chris says:

        I don’t know that Pouliot will ever be a first line player…I suspect he quite simply doesn’t have the self-confidence or cockiness you need for that role. But he could be a very useful second-third line player for somebody.

        • TorontoHabsFan says:

          Here’s another way to look at it. Last year we had 2 question marks in our Top 6 – Kostitsyn and Pouliot. Neither of those players really answered the call and by season’s end it appeared that Pacioretty had earned a spot and Moen was holding the seat warm for someone else. While Kostitsyn was demoted to 3rd line duty and Pouliot was benched.

          It now appears that Pouliot and Kositsyn’s place in the Top 6 will be taken by Cole and Pacioretty with Kostitsyn moving down to the 3rd line (where he seemed to play a little better) and Pouliot’s place has been taken by the emergence of Desharnais.

          We can argue whether it would’ve been smarter to keep Pouliot over Kostitsyn…and that’s an interesting argument (Andrei has acheived more, has a higher ceiling, but certainly costs a lot more), but I think most would agree that one of those two RFAs had to be replaced if the team is going to improve and not simply rearrange deck chairs (which would’ve been the case had they simply placed both Kostitsyn and Pouliot on the 3rd with Eller)

          p.s. Personally I’m still holding out hope for Frolik; who has far more potential than Pouliot IMHO. I think a bottom six of Kostitsyn-Eller-Frolik White-Desharnais-Darche would be something special.

    • issie74 says:

      Chris, When Laraques was signed he had a press conference and he said “I am here so that Mike Komisarek dosen’t need to fight”
      He knew exactly what his job was.

      NorthTOHab

      • Chris says:

        But a big part of that was that the goons from the other team were targetting Komisarek, as he was the only Hab player that the heavyweights would even think of trying to go with. And it worked…Komisarek only had the 1 fight in 2008-09, with Milan Lucic, in 66 games. And there wasn’t anybody in the league that was going to stop that one from happening…both guys wanted a piece of each other.

        Francis Bouillon would drop the gloves with anybody, but he wasn’t exactly a heavyweight.

  39. dhenry1234 says:

    Canadiens sign Brock Trotter to a one-year contract
    Monday, 04.07.2011 / 9:00 AM / News
    Montreal Canadiens
    PRESS RELEASE

    MONTREAL – Montreal Canadiens general manager Pierre Gauthier announced Monday the signing of forward Brock Trotter to a one-year, two-way contract. As per club policy, financial terms of the agreement were not disclosed.

    In 2010-11, Trotter registered 26 points (9 goals, 17 assists) in 49 games with Riga of the Kontinental Hockey League (KHL). Three of his goals were scored on the powerplay. He recorded 74 shots on goal, while averaging 14:26 minutes of ice time per game. He displayed a +3 plus/minus differential and served 38 penalty minutes.

    Trotter, 24, played 172 regular season games with the AHL Hamilton Bulldogs from 2007-08 to 2009-10, recording 135 points (57 goals, 78 assists). He registered 77 points in 75 games in his last season with the Bulldogs in 2009-10, leading the team in goals with 36 (fourth in the AHL). He ranked second on the team with 19 points in 19 playoff contests (8 goals, 11 assists). That same season, he played in his first two NHL games, with the Canadiens.

    A native of Brandon, Manitoba, Trotter joined the Canadiens as a free agent on February 7, 2008. In three seasons, from 2005-06 to 2007-08, the 5’10’’, 180 lbs forward totalled 76 points (32 goals, 44 assists) and 42 penalty minutes in 69 games with the WCHA University of Denver Pioneers. He led the team in scoring with 40 points in 40 games in 2006-07.

  40. joeybarrie says:

    Doesn’t matter what will ACTUALLY happen. Benny’s first goal will bring out 100 I told you so’s. Same ones who wanted Lats back for Benny…. SAME ONES WHO WANTED LATS GONE TO BEGIN WITH….
    Same thing with Ryder. Boston paid him more for less production, HOWEVER they were still saying how dumb a move it was letting him go.

    I can tell you this. For the most part, BG and PG have upgraded this team in every position with their moves.

    I can also tell you this, it doesn’t matter if PG got Richards to sign with us for 500k a season… Still not good enough, cause absolutely nothing is for alot of people in Montreal.

    We are expected to keep ALL our performing players without exception and bring in ALL new talent without missing or being wrong on ANYTHING….

    Isnt it nice to be able to look back and judge NOW….?
    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  41. Neutral says:

    Peter Chiarelli knows what he’s doing, he built a stanley cup team I believe and he sees something in Pouliot or he wouldn’t have picked him up. smart management do smart things.

    • TomNickle says:

      Successful people NEVER make mistakes. Think if Chiarelli was that much of a genius he might have traded Savard to Toronto instead of Kessel?

      I think he might have.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Not to mention how he did get fleeced on Kaberle trade. No doubt Chiarelli has made some really good moves. But wow are people ever ready to enshrine this guy as the next Sam Pollock.

        • TomNickle says:

          He made the Kaberle move to win a Cup, and he won a Cup. I’m not willing to say that’s a bad trade. If only because the desired result of the move was achieved.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Well I see your point Tom, but given what Kaberle produced along the way, it was expensive.

            But Chiarelli did get the job done. I do give him credit, just not quite ready to have his bust bronzed down at the NHL Hall of Fame yet.

          • ZepFan2 says:

            The Bruins didn’t win the cup because of Kaberle. They won it in spite of Kaberle.

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          • TomNickle says:

            Kaberle doesn’t need to create points to be effective. Remember how brutal the Bruins were in their own zone in terms of clearing the puck before his arrival. He made his share of mistakes sure, who wouldn’t on a new team? He played pretty well through the final three rounds.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            I guess we will find out how much aprreciated having him by whether or not they resign him.

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            Tom, based on the evidence, the Bruins won the Cup despite Kaberle, who didn’t fix their anemic power play, not because of the trade. The only way this can be called a successful trade is if they sign him to a contract and he effectively quarterbacks their PP for three or four years. I’d bet against that in a heartbeat.

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        • RetroMikey says:

          Peter Chiarelli is the next Sam Pollock, believe it.
          I bet if he was available, you (as with others) would want him as our next GM in Montreal. I certainly would!
          A very smart GM IMO.
          More than I can say for Bob Gainey when he was our GM or his successor in Pierre Gauthier.

          “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Mikey, I think he is a very good GM, but no Pollock yet. When he has more cups than Lou or Holland, then he can be considered one of the best current GM’s. Do you realize how great Pollock was, it was by winning more than 1 championship.

            Don’t think anyone was saying this about him when they lost to Philly 2 years ago.

          • HalifaxHabs says:

            “Peter Chiarelli is the next Sam Pollock”

            what a joke

          • ZepFan2 says:

            “Peter Chiarelli is the next Sam Pollock”

            Bahahahahahahahahahahaha

            They broke the mold after Sammy came ’round!

            ———————————————————————-
            Welcome to the newer NHL: The National Headshot League.

          • SeriousFan09 says:

            Sam Pollock was an unheard-of genius who so successfully manipulated the NHL for his team’s benefit he was unique. There is no modern GM who can even compare to his work and one shouldn’t insult the man by doing so. The guy was building and coaching winning teams from his teens onwards.

            So far, Chiarelli just tied Gainey for Cup Rings with 1. If he can get another is a whole other story.

            - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
            SF09 on Twitter

      • Neutral says:

        How many cups has toronto won with Kessel? Savard would still be Boston’s best player wasn’t for concussions….

  42. TorontoHabsFan says:

    Here’s the thing about players like Pouliot – if there is to be any serious growth in his game, it’s going to come from him and not his coach.

    In a lot of ways he’s like Grabovski. Oodles of talent that obvious to the layman, but can’t put it together for some reason. Grabovski did so this year, not because of a new coach, or more playing time, but because he himself grew up. He got married, had a kid, and realized that he needed to put in effort on every shift.

    If Pouliot is going to have a breakout season, it will have to be in an environment where everyone is expecting a team that played above their ability not to backslide. That’s a pretty tough place to be…I daresay it’s a tougher place than Jacques Martin’s doghouse.

  43. SmartDog says:

    Boone, Hickey,
    This is squarely in the realm of fair comment and you know the situation better than we do. Do you wish the Habs had kept Pouliot? Do you think the kid might blossom? Oui ou non?

  44. Gindan69 says:

    Brock trotter 1yr/1mill 2 way. Looks like he’s an insurance policy signing. Betting he will be doing lots of up and down this season.

  45. BKAK72 says:

    This is my first post ever on George Laraque. For whatever reason the Montreal Press (and TSN “Off the Record”) seem to find value in his opinion, like it matters to anyone with an ounce of hockey knowledge! While it is true he was one of the more prolific fighters in the NHL it is equally factual his offensive and defensive game was slightly better than a mens recreational hockey team.

    IMO if you are drafted high in the first round i.e. Pouliot and can’t manage anything more than a league minimum required salary four years (and counting) then you are pathetic.

    Don’t let the door slam you on the way out!

    – HABS INSIDE/OUT R.I.P. –

  46. HalifaxHabs says:

    it is unbelievable to me how many people on this site wanted Pouliot chased out of town as soon as possible because he was absolutely useless and terrible and all that stuff.. and now once he’s been dumped everyone is up in arms about it, and now he’s guaranteed to turn into a star for Boston, and JM is on the hook for it.

    I wonder if Jacques Lemaire in Minnesota is a joke in Benny turns into a good player in Boston?

    No doubt Benny has talent, but if he has another half-assed season in Boston, will everyone who is on here guaranteeing he’ll succeed, come back and make posts saying that they were completely wrong, and that JM & PG made a good decision? I didn’t think so, becuase you’ll be too busy making posts about the next popular complaint of the day.

    • TomNickle says:

      Gonna be interesting to see how the experiment works out. Lucic, Krecji and Boychuk didn’t seem to like him all that much.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I can’t believe we let Tom Pyatt walk away for NOTHING! LOL

      I agree with your post Hal.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Most likely they are two groups of people.

      If Pouliot doing well in Boston means Martin finally learns he needs to change his approach to young players, then it’ll be worth it.

    • Marcusman says:

      Been saying all long they simply needed to let the kids play. But they cut his time back and kept the pressure on. The Bruins are going to look like geniuses with this move come april next yr.

    • Ron in Ottawa says:

      You miss the point. Coaching is the issue here- not BP. There have been many players who do not produce then the right coach unleashes them. Remember the Flower struggled seriously at first and it was excellent coaching that got him going. My worry is not so much letting BP go. It is why do we continue to trade away or let go players who produce well somewhere else. Is it the water in Montreal or the poor coaching?

      • TomNickle says:

        So Fowler’s season was a lot like P.K. Subban’s? Got it.

        Total garbage.

      • HalifaxHabs says:

        I also find it funny how many people who have never been in a dressing room, or on the ice, with JM, or any other NHL coach for that matter, “know” JM is a bad coach. Eventhough our regular season and playoff results over the last 2 years have been an overall improvement over the previous 10 years.

        I’m sure I’ll get ripped for this, but all I know is the line between opinions & knowledge in here, is ignored by many. Just think of how many people got accused of “drinking the kool-aid” for hoping that PG would make a big move on UFA day, when so many know-it-alls guaranteed he wouldn’t make any big move to bolster our offense. Those people “knew” PG wasn’t going to make any moves.

  47. RGM says:

    Does anyone really give two sh!ts what Georges Laraque thinks?

    During the long summer, we all get to be pretend GM.

  48. TorontoHabsFan says:

    If I was a betting man, I’d say the big competition out of Boston this year will be between Jordan Caron and Benoit Pouliot for 3rd Line wing. There’s little chance that he’s above Krejci, Bergeron, Horton, Lucic, Marchand, Peverley, Seguin, and Kelly on their depth chart.

    Another thing – were you aware that Michael “The Superstar We Let Walk For Nothing” Ryder never achieved the same level of success in Boston as he did in Montreal?

    • HabinBurlington says:

      While I agree with your assessment, Ryder did achieve a Stanley Cup Championship, I suspect he may take that over a slightly higher point total.

    • SmartDog says:

      Many of us were glad to let Ryder go. He has a good shot but was a defensive liability forever. And he went for FOUR TIMES what Benny just left for. Ryder’s goals made him a hot commodity. We coulda kept Benny for very little and if nothing else he was a good depth player. Instead we let him – and his potential, which is huge – walk away for nothing.

      • TorontoHabsFan says:

        We kept Desharnais instead. I’m okay with that.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        SD, no doubt Benny has potential out his ying yang, but what if he was becoming a problem in the room. If it turns out Benny does squat or the same in Boston as Montreal, I think we will realize Habs tried their best. If he does have a better year by a tonne, then Yah we will have the right to bitch and ask what did they do different for this kid.

      • Ton says:

        Got to give Ryder credit in this cup run. Defensively he saved at least 3 goals at crucial times in the game and his goals were clutch goals. Take his contribution away and Bruins would not have won the cup. In end he has killed us in the last two playoff series against us.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Ryder was 5th in points and 4th in goals for the Bruins in the playoffs. Yes, he did move on to bigger and better things after he left us.

  49. Ayan_SB says:

    This sure was a wild trade…

    Thank you, I’ll be here all week.

  50. moester says:

    It’s funny how Pouliot himself admitted that he wasn’t putting forward enough effort and that he played himself out of Montreal. Now BGL wants us to believe he was the players’s favourite player…give your head a shake Georges you make ZERO sense

  51. nick says:

    Pouliot is going to get better before he gets worse. The team that wants to walk him through his issues are going to have that benefit.

    The guy is 6’3, 200 pounds, was drafted 4th overall (one spot ahead of Price), and still managed to put up 30 points while spending alot of the season in JM’s doghouse. For 1.1M or whatever Boston is paying him… It’s worth taking the chance.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      It’s too bad Daigle didn’t get to go to Boston. Given they can work these miracles so easily you speak of. I wonder if Fogerty would have had a better career in Boston as well. In fact Angelo Esposito should go to Boston. Heck every single 1st round pick that doesn’t work out should go to Boston.

    • SmartDog says:

      Hear, hear!

      When some things happen you just KNOW how they’re gonna turn out. Letting Benny go is on JM for sure. Tell me where we can get another third liner that good for a mil? Ridiculous mistake.

      • RGM says:

        There are a couple hundred guys that could easily fill the role of a third-line C that could be had for a mil. Many of whom wouldn’t even be blown over by signing the contract.

        During the long summer, we all get to be pretend GM.

        • SmartDog says:

          None of them with the potential upside Pouliot has. If this kid gets it together – and he might – you guys are gonna be saying “he was a cancer” and other made-up stuff to justify him leaving and make the world seem okay. but giving up on a decent depth player with such potential is just a mistake.

          • TomNickle says:

            Chuck Kobasew has that upside. He’s actually battled injuries instead of demons throughout the most recent years of his career.

          • DAVE. N says:

            I usually agree with you…but let me ask? Are you saying the Habs didn’t give Latendresse a fair shake? or Higgins? that these were mistakes?

            Sometimes, talent isn’t all you ask for in a player; character,team cooperation,leadership all come into play when you draft;and higher draft choices are expected to bring something extra to the table besides 3rd and 4th line “value”
            IMO

          • Chris says:

            Tom: At the same age, Pouliot had more goals and more points in about 40 fewer career games. I’m not saying that Pouliot is a more complete player than Kobasew, but he certainly seems to have more offensive potential.

            With Kobasew now 29 years old, I’m not sure how much upside he still has. Like you said, injuries have really limited him, but even when healthy he looks to be a 20 goal/40 point guy, based on his two best seasons. Pouliot’s numbers last season, if you scale for the much lower ice time, were quite comparable.

            That being said, Kobasew is a much better defensive player who can help out on the PK. So he’s certainly a better fit than Pouliot in Montreal, which should be the over-arching consideration.

  52. Neutral says:

    pouliot could have helped the 4th line

  53. Stuck_in_To. says:

    I love it. “Why is BGL opening his mouth?” He is a “douche bag”.

    Here is what BGL says about Cole after saying the Canadiens overpaid because everyone overpays in UFA:

    << Je pense qu’il pourrait relancer Scott Gomez, parce qu’il est un "power forward" (attaquant de puissance) exceptionnel.»

    Uh, that would be, something like, and mind you I am only paraphrasing now, but "I think he'll revitalize Gomez because he (Cole) is an exceptional power forward."

    But right, BGL is a douche bag so what does he know?

    In the second article BGL says that Pouliot did not work out in Mtl. and that the fans wonder why. He offers the opinion that Pouliot might fit better in the Boston system than he did under Martin.
    Now, he dared to utter Boston, system, Pouliot and Martin in the same idea so he MUST be putting the Canadiens down because they cut him loose.

    The real douche bag is the guy who wrote the content of the links above … and I am assuming that wasn't Boone unless he has some personal grudge against BGL.

  54. habs001 says:

    while the $$$ for the wiz was way too much we are going to miss him on offense…our d offense does not look any better this year
    the wiz scored 30 points in 43 games, hammer had 34 and pk had 38…this year pk and markov have to score 102 points combined just to match these totals(and i am only using the 30 points the wiz got but he was on pace for over 50 points with the habs)
    knowing martin he will probably have our big 3 non scoring d in the line up at the same time…gill 9 points…spacek 16 and gorges in 2010-2011 played 82 games and had 10 points…
    yemelin,weber and diaz are all question marks on what they can produce on offense…so really it does not look like our forwards will get any more help from the d than last year….

    • G-Man says:

      More gloom and doom. Look, Gio, Cammy, Gomez all had less than their average points (one more than the others). Having MaxPac and Cole from the start of the season (fingers crossed) and with Markov back, scoring will improve enough for the team to be top 4 in the conference.
      I wonder why everyone thinks the Habs never get any better while every other team is always improving. What a load!

      • habs001 says:

        the forwards should score more as camm has to have a much better year and with the addition of cole and hopefully a full year from maxpac….there is no way you can project that the d will score anymore this year than last year….

    • Rugger says:

      I will go on record that the Habs finish top 10 in scoring this year. Points from D will not go down without Wiz-Hammer.

    • TomNickle says:

      “this year pk and markov have to score 102 points combined just to match these totals”

      Why do two players have to replicate the point totals of three?

      “yemelin,weber and diaz are all question marks on what they can produce on offense”

      Actually. Yemelin had 11 goals last season in the KHL. That’s not NHL scoring but impressive for a defenseman in any league. Weber has 88 points in 148 games in Hamilton. I’d say offense is his strength. Diaz scored 39 points in 45 games last year and scored 4 points in 6 games at the WHC.

      But don’t let facts get in the way of your Hab bashing.

      • habs001 says:

        all teams have players that have good non nhl stats…till they show that they can do the same in the nhl all they have is potential…i dont think my post was habs bashing but an opinion that it does not look like that our d will provide anymore scoring than last year…

        • TomNickle says:

          So twisting comparables isn’t bashing the Habs? I guess we disagree on this one. You’ve set your opinion or prediction rather up for success by saying that Markov and Subban need to do what Wisniewski, Subban and Hamrlik did.

          I’d like to remind you that the last time we had two gifted offensive defensemen in the lineup. Markov and Streit. They scored 110 points by themselves.

          You’re looking for a problem that isn’t there to magnify the minimal losses of Hamrlik and Wisniewski.

          And you’re screwing with statistics in an attempt to make your argument appear stronger. And yes, I’m going to call it Hab bashing if the root of the opinion infers that Wisniewski and Hamrlik should have been kept. Because for the money they received, they most certainly shouldn’t have been kept.

          • habs001 says:

            i agree that hammer and the wiz should not have been kept…but i believe we need one more d that can produce points and help our forwards….i am pretty sure that gorges,gill and spacek will not …hopefully you are right on weber,yemelin or diaz…

          • TomNickle says:

            I’m not saying Yemelin, Weber or Diaz are the answer. I’m saying that those players have strong offensive skill sets and that among them, at least one should be able to step up and play on the powerplay.

            Your argument about two players having to replace the offense of three is ridiculous. It would be like me saying that Ryan White and Travis Moen have to replace the offense that Pouliot, Moen and Desharnais produced last season.

  55. JF says:

    Unfortunately, I tend to agree with Georges Laraque about Benoit Pouliot. He’s the same age as Carey Price, still young enough to get it together and become the player he’s shown glimpses of. I would have liked to see the Habs give him another year, and he wouldn’t have cost much. I think it’s another case of the Habs giving up too quickly on a struggling young player with a lot of potential. It seems that, as with Sergei Kostitsyn and Guillaume Latendresse, JM did not get along with him or perhaps found it impossible to work with him. I guess we’ll never know exactly what went wrong, but Pouliot could well turn into a good player for the Bruins.

    • BeeGee says:

      Of course he could turn out to be great, but I believe there was a valid reason for management to just let him walk.
      Team chemistry is perhaps the most important thing in hockey. We don’t know about the Pouliot in the room and in practices.
      If he’d earned the respect of teammates we would have read a few tweeter messages wishing him luck at least… noticed the silence? Total desert…

      • JF says:

        Agree with you about team chemistry, and maybe there was a problem in the room. But it’s still a pity; Pouliot looked great his first 20 or so games with us. It’s also a pity he ended up in Boston rather than in the Western conference.

        • BeeGee says:

          Agreed. It’s a pity. I’ve said this before but sometimes an underachiever performs better somewhere else due to the fact that he was dumped and has an opportunity to change things radically… I guess they didn’t have faith he could change here is all.

  56. HabFanSince72 says:

    Pet peeve of the day.

    It’s Gorges. Josh Gorges.

    There’s only one ‘E’ in his name.

    Gorges. Not Georges.

    OK?

  57. CHsam says:

    ah…. good ol Jack Todd. Kinda makes me wish I was still living in MTL and reading the Gazette Sports over brunch.

  58. habstrinifan says:

    While doing dishes, I got rathered lathered up about the line matching for the upcoming season.

    I shall list mine below. I did not take injuries into consideration… everyone is HEALTHY.

    I considered a few long term organizational FAQ’s in determining my line up. They were as follows:

    Desharnis: You cannot sign and institute into your line-up ‘ a small skilled player’ like him and NOT give him the environment and opportunity to play sufficient minutes with sizable and adequately skilled linemates to either prove or disprove that he BELONGS in the NHL.

    Gomez: The team has to cross the mental hurdle… upfront, this is Max Pac/Gionta’s team more than it would/should be Gomez’s.

    Eller: You have to make him an integral part in your offense. The ‘moves’ this guy has on the ice, his play in the playoffs, and yes his fearlessness all point to an exceptional player ready to break out. If we keep using him on a stop-gap basis we will one day be hollering that he is useless etc and he WILL be traded. And believe me I think this is one young gun we WILL regret ‘messing’ up.

    Cammy: His psyche needs to know that HE IS IMPORTANT!.

    Chemistry: You build on the chemistry shown by certain combinations last year.

    I dont see a 1st 2nd or 3rd line based on ice-time to start the season… but I do see a 1st line based on where team leadership (not solely judged on production) should come from.

    So 1st line: Gomez/Gionta/Max Pac..

    Your team leaders offensively, not necessarily based on numbers but on leadership nature/responsibility. (Max Pac.. the offesive reins WILL be his one day) and captain’s savvy.. Gionta. No where else for Gomez. And that combination worked last year until Pac got hurt.

    2nd line: Cammy/Plekanec/AK46.

    They started the season WELL last year. Cammy needs the stability. He needs the motivation from not being used as a bioindicator for study of life on a line but as the ‘life’ on the line.
    AK46 looks more involved with Cammy and Pleks than with any other pairings.

    3rd line: Eller/Desharnis/Cole.
    Obvious what Cole brings. A veteran with size and skill who will go into the corners, protect DD, and will teach them both to be elite players.
    You give your two ‘rawest and enigmatic’ forwards a place to play and shine.

    Each line has size and skill. By the 20th game mark you will have answers re Gomez, AK46, Eller, Desharnis. No excuses available to anyone then. Again I am not using ice time to determine 1st/2nd/3rd designation. My only consideration was the best line combinations as I see them and giving some important players lead roles on their lines.

    4th line: Moen/??/??.

    OK! HIO go for it! I expect every synonym for diatribe to be trotted out.

    • BeeGee says:

      Cole is going to play top line minutes…
      cammy-plex-cole
      maxpac-gomer-gio
      dd-eller-ak
      moen-white-darche

      • habstrinifan says:

        OK with me! As long as AK brings it to the line. I just dont want Eller or DD to be mis-used or under-used and then vilified. I live in dread of losing Eller. Something about the way he looks on the ice really reminds me … no I wont say it.

        • BeeGee says:

          AK and Eller showed good things together last year. DD instead of Moen or Darche should give that line some wings too. Arpon Basu made a good point sometime ago about AK being very well suited for a 3rd line role… Not worried about Eller and DD getting their chance either.

        • boing007 says:

          Richard R
          Reminds you of Guy Lafleur?

    • Malreg says:

      Switch Eller and Desharnais around… Eller looked compeltely out of place while trying to play on the wing last year. Some center’s just can’t move from Center to Wing as easily as others.

      AK46 also had good chemistry with Eller last year. I would have it as:

      Cammy – Pleks – Cole
      Max – Gomez – Gionta
      AK46 – Eller – Desharnais
      White – ___ – Moen

      I think AK46 would really benefit from playing on the 3rd line. Less spotlight on his production, and he gets to play against weaker opposition. Also, let’s face it, the Canadiens didn’t sign Cole to an $18 million contract to play on the 3rd line.

      • BeeGee says:

        Nice lines! I would just put AK on the off wing. That’s where he played earlier in his career and I thought he looked good there when he did.

      • habstrinifan says:

        OK too… Just have this inkling that Cole would love to be responsible for Eller/DD. They wont play like 3rd line I dont think.
        But I agree, the ice time is problematic which is why I avoided the issue.

    • SmartDog says:

      Gomez is more of a leader than Plekanec? Maybe in jokes per minute but in no other way. Pleks leads with his play the way a leader should, in every situation, 5-on-5, PK, going up against the toughest opposition. And the results show.

      Gomez is friendly to rookies. That’s about the only thing you can say about his “leadership”. How can you take him seriously? The guy sounds like a clown in interviews. He plays soft, hides from the tough parts of the ice, doesn’t back-check, and half his passes are Hail Mary’s.

      • habstrinifan says:

        I think you misread my post. In my formation Gomez is totally a veteran cog on a short leash. Gionta and Max Pac are the leaders.

    • G-Man says:

      You don’t sign Cole at 4.5mil per season to play on the 3rd line. He will be alongside Plek Cammy or Gomez Gio.

  59. Hobie Hansen says:

    Who is better, Cole or Pouliot?

    Cole without a doubt! Who cares if Pouliot improves his play for Boston because he won’t be as good as Cole and he wasn’t doing it here. The coaching staff gave him ample time.

    Laraque, as friendly and playful as he is, everybody knows he isn’t the brightest bulb on the porch.

    • BeeGee says:

      Totally agree… to everyone bitching about Pouliot not getting a fair shot and all, I is day this: If the brass still believed in his potential they would have kept him.. And really, the deciding factors were probably about the things that go on behind the scenes.. I’m sure they don’t just toss assets away without valuable reasons..

  60. avatar_58 says:

    Why is BGL opening his mouth news? I don’t understand, he was with other teams far longer than he was with the habs.

    I’m so sick and tired of rejects being labelled “ex habs” despite being on several teams, with montreal being just one stop along the way. Will Moore forever be an ex-hab? Nevermind that he was in toronto and other cities….he was a hab ONCE! Ergo the media should always call him an ex hab. Just like Souray, Ryder, Robeiro, etc. All ex habs

    No, BGL is not an ex-hab. He’s an ex-oiler. How’s that?

  61. BeeGee says:

    I’m curious, you guys think Georges is a valid option for #3 D?

    I like him a lot but I can’t help but think our top 4 is still pretty thin (and totally not physical). Not sure Yemelin is top 4 material, and even if he is, it’s probably not going to be this year. I like the D as it is, but I’d like it better with another genuine top 4 guy, with size and mean steek to go along with above average mobility and passing.

    • BeeGee says:

      Not top 4′s, but some FA’s that could be decent options: Hannan, O’Brien, Babchuk… On 1 year contracts, would be better than burning picks later on.

      • habstrinifan says:

        O’Brien! O’Brien!

        My fingers are crossed he isnt snagged by you know who and you know who and you know who. There have I missed anyone?

  62. JayBee says:

    So I guess BGL isn’t allowed to be critical?

  63. HabFanSince72 says:

    I guess no one read Laraque’s interview.

    The tagline is very misleading. It makes it sound like he’s criticizing the deal, but in fact what he said was: “Sure they overpaid him, but you always overpay free agents. You have no choice. And he’s a heck of a hockey player.”

    Later on he says “I’m really impressed by Pierre Gauthier…” referring to some of his moves.

    Really has a different flavour doesn’t it?

    • Keith says:

      Yeah, I noticed that too. Making BGL look worse than he is, but I personally don’t take alot of stock in what he writes. He has an axe to grind with the Habs.

  64. Keith says:

    BGL is FULL of SH*T! And VERY bitter by the sounds of it.

  65. Propwash says:

    Sour grapes there BGL?

    • HalifaxHabs says:

      It’s just funny that he is so arrogant, he doesn’t realize that his crticisms come across as so self-serving.

      He should be praising the Canadiens considering how much money they paid him for absolutely nothing.

  66. ProHabs says:

    George Larocque is such a douchebag.

  67. Neutral says:

    what about minnesota, just put together a pretty good 1st line Heatley, Koivu, Setoguchi

  68. topher5468 says:

    testing

    “It’s not an obsession, It’s a way of life..”

  69. topher5468 says:

    Teasting

    “It’s not an obsession, It’s a way of life..”

  70. sisu says:

    My most vivid memory of Erik Cole is the shoving match he had with Gilmour after scoring a goal in game 6, 2002. I just realized this was nine years ago. Yikes.

    At least I’m not as old as Boone.

    Also: someone needs to do Halpern’s job, preferably a RHS, and pickings are slim. Arnott??

  71. Neutral says:

    Not much left for PG to pull the trigger on, cole was a good move, now he’s looking at bottom of the pack players, unless there’s a surprise. he always waits too long while other teams are making improvement trades and there’s nothing left when he does make a move, get moving PG or you’ll be fighting again this year to make the playoffs some teams are already ahead…..

  72. HABSGUARDIANANGEL says:

    usually you need to give something up to get something,

    eller, pleks, ak, camm?

  73. HalifaxHabs says:

    time for PG to pull the trigger on his blockbuster… will it be with Pheonix? Nashville? Chicago? who’s being moved? Spacek? Moen? Gomez? youth?

    do something PG, I’m growing tired of refreshing this site every 5 minutes, lol.

  74. FrederictonHabsfan says:

    Poor Jack. Still can’t get through a column without a backhanded remark at Carey Price.

    Also, I wouldn’t put much stock in a report from thefourthperiod.com

  75. JayBee says:

    Haven’t had that since Serge.

    I think the Habs try to make deals…they just aren’t willing to pay the price…and sometimes that’s a good thing.

    Also, these teams have either top touted prospects or elite players that they’re trading. Habs don’t have any of that unless you want to trade Price or Subban.

    I hear what you’re saying but easier said than done.

  76. TomNickle says:

    All they got?

    I hope that was sarcasm.

  77. SmartDog says:

    Said the same thing myself yesterday.

    Wait for the Rose Coloured Glasses Gang to come and tell you you’re wrong, that PG is awesome and every trade he’s made is awesome too.

  78. Ayan_SB says:

    The funny thing about the Minny – San Jose trade is that the former gave up their second best forward (after Mikko Koivu) and their top defenseman while the Sharks gave up Heatley and Setoguichi (who I believe were at this point below Thornton, Marleau, Clowe, Pavelski, and Couture in the depth chart).

  79. HalifaxHabs says:

    exactly

  80. TomNickle says:

    1. Carter is not even close to being considered one of the best pure goal scorers in the World. Maybe five years ago when his potential was through the roof. But I can name twenty players that are better and more pure goal scorers than he is.

    2. Richards is not in the conversation for best all around player. Sorry, not true. And I can probably name another twenty who would rank above him in that area.

    3. What wealth of championships? Calder Cup and WJHC? That doesn’t set them apart.

    4. Every player Philadelphia acquired has experience in the NHL. There’s no question as to whether or not the players they acquired are NHlers or not.

    You’re the only person that I’ve seen say that the packages they got were substandard. Simmonds, Schenn, Voracek, 8th overall pick, 2nd round pick and shed nearly $11 million in salary and at least one locker room cancer.

  81. HabFanSince72 says:

    Finally someone sees the light.

    Nahlsy is right – and I’d add that if you want to trade your core for prospects, fine, but then don’t make a panic signing of Bryzgalov.

    Only small mitigating factor is Philly probably felt they had to get rid of the dynamic duo for off-ice issues we don’t necessarily know about. Another: they just might have lucked out with Couturier in 8th.

  82. HalifaxHabs says:

    has anyone ever said that? that every trade PG has made is awesome?

    it’s quite the opposite around here SD. In reality, almost every move he’s ever made is panned, and the rose-colored glasses are donned when looking at the situations some of our ex-players are in now.

    if people thinking guys like Latendresse & SK should be in our top 6, aren’t wearing rose-colored glasses for them, I don’t know who is.

  83. HabFanSince72 says:

    For Heatley we would have had to offer Cammi, Gionta or Plekanec. No way I make any of those trades.

    For Carter we could not have offered a number 8 pick.

    For Richards we would have been talking PK or Carey. Again no way on earth should we make that deal.

  84. JayBee says:

    With regards to Carter. How many centermen in the league can score 30-40 goals consistently? Compare apples with apples here.

    Richards is one of the better 2-way centermen in the league. He’s an absolute beast of a player and brings it consistently in the playoffs.

    Philly got rid of their core so they could sign a goalie. They chose a 37 year old d man over two top line 26 year old centermen. They signed a bottom 6 guy for 5 years and then signed Jagr for $3.5M.

    They screwed themselves.

  85. TomNickle says:

    Why are you saying centreman? Carter has been a winger just as much in his career as he has been a centreman.

  86. HabFanSince72 says:

    OK Tom – name 20 better all-around players than Mike Richards.

    (I assume we’re talking forwards here.)

  87. JayBee says:

    He’s a centerman with the scoring ability of a winger. You’re talking out of your ass trying to downplay Carter.

  88. TomNickle says:

    Check the most recent comments on the other page for my list of better all around players than Richards and better goal scorers than Jeff Carter.

  89. TomNickle says:

    Okay, I shook it Nahlsy. Now if you can stop being a prick for two seconds. Perhaps you could take some time and take a look at the numerous players who are at a minimum on par with Carter and that there are several who have more scoring touch.
    There are several who have more goals than Carter over the last two seasons. But if you want to include his inflated 46 goal season that he’ll never replicate, I’ll be glad to look up some players who have more over the last three years.

    As for Mike Richards. Every player that I listed is just as well rounded as he is. Every single one of them.

  90. TomNickle says:

    Oh how you are wrong. Here is a quick list of players with more goals over their last two years……enjoy.

    Perry
    Stamkos
    Iginla
    D.Sedin
    Marleau
    Crosby
    Ovechkin
    Parise
    Kovalchuk

    In addition, several young players are showing a better scoring acumen than Carter and several others have been close without the benefit of a stacked lineup.

    But think whatever you want. You’re pretending that your opinion is a consensus when it’s far from it.

  91. HardHabits says:

    Wow. I am actually supporting Nahlsy in an argument. Then I look and see that it is only TomNickle that he is out-debating so it isn’t such a surprise any more. :-D

  92. TomNickle says:

    I’m saying that over the entire body of work of the last two years. Each of those players has more goals. Have a good day Nahlsy.

  93. TomNickle says:

    So it would appear that being intimidating is your only criteria for being a good defensive player.

    I guess Pavel Datsyuk doesn’t fit your criteria then.

    ROCK’EM SOCK’EM NAHLSY.

  94. Mike D says:

    hahahahahahahaha. Good one. :-)

    - Honestly yours

  95. HabinBurlington says:

    Heard Steve Simmons this morning on TSN Radio, and he claims Buffalo didn’t want Connolly back at all, and that he was not well liked by teammates. I never heard the not liked part, anybody have insights on that out of curiosity? I know Simmons likes to ball bust everything Leafs do, so I enjoy that part of his work, but otherwise don’t usually put much stock in what he says.

  96. TorontoHabsFan says:

    I heard rumblings about that last year too – hat he was moping and had worked his way into Ruff’s doghouse.

    His public persona has always seemed a surly one. Should be a real treat to see him and Kessel sulk through a 6 game losing streak :D

  97. TomNickle says:

    Maybe. But pay attention here Nahlsy. Perhaps you should measure how much better each player is in different categories versus how average Richards is in some.

    And maybe it’s time to start questioning Richards’ leadership ability. Since ya know, he just got traded after having served as captain.

    Datsyuk has fought by the way. I don’t think toughness is an issue there.

  98. TomNickle says:

    Sabathia, Texeira, Burnett, A-Rod, Swisher, Granderson.

  99. TomNickle says:

    Sabathia, Texeira and A-Rod were easily their most important players on the field. I never said they didn’t have a lot of home grown talent. My point was merely that they spend to win championships, because without those players I named, they weren’t even close.

    But keep being a jerk, it looks good on you.

  100. TomNickle says:

    Oh I’m sorry, trading an asset for another asset isn’t a purchase?

    Run along jr?

  101. TorontoHabsFan says:

    One small point – Matsui was an Int’l Free Agent.

    I think the main thing about NYY isn’t that they draft well (although they do). It’s that they are able to afford the big signing bonuses that go with top end draft picks (so the odds of their draft picks panning out increases) and they have the financial resource to lock their homegrown talent up to long term deals when they mature into stars.

    The Royals would’ve been a far better team if they were able to keep Beltran and Damon (among others)…but they weren’t. No matter how good they are at drafting, they can’t keep their players around long-term.

    Also, teams like NYY and BOS are able to absorb bad signings much much better than other teams. Even one bad signing like Burnett, Pavano, Brown, Vasquez, Irabu, or Contreras would kneecap most teams for years. NYY can simply absorb the money and move on.

  102. TomNickle says:

    If you think that I started by insulting you, you might want to go back and check the history prior to accusing.

    I was very respectful in disagreeing with you until you decided to call my opinions non-sense, called me stupid and on and on.

    And then finishing by calling my post to you a tantrum only proves my point that you are ignorant. It was merely an expression of my opinion of how you’ve spoken to me and how it comes from an obvious elitist attitude. Somebody thinks you’re rude, so it’s a tantrum, somebody disagrees, they’re an idiot and their opinions are non-sense.

  103. Rob says:

    tantrum aside, the point you were so arduously defending earlier was, at the very least, questionable. The Yankees have done a great job drafting players, but to argue that they have not bought players through free agency at overinflated prices that have contributed to their success (and lack of success from time to time) is ludicrous. You mention all the homegrown talent on the last Yankees world series winning team, but who were the key players who lead them to the title? The majority of the key contributors were their free agent signings. I understand being defensive about a great club like the Yankees who are constantly being attacked and not given any credit for their ability to draft and develop prospects, but in this particular case, your defensiveness placed you on the wrong side of the argument.

    The Montreal Canadiens: sporting the best AND worst fans since 1909!

  104. Hobie Hansen says:

    Ya there are a few “ifs” and “buts” with the Pens…

    However, the coaching job that Bylsma did without his two star players leads me to believe they’ll be right back at the top “if” Malkin and Crosby are back at 100%.

    Those two guys are easily the two best players in the world and could probably win the cup with a team of 4th liners around them.

    Marc-Andre has led them to the finals twice, winning once, so even though he’s overrated, he’s still pretty damn good.

  105. Chuck says:

    If the trend of parity keeps up, then before you know it the Laffs will think that they have a realsitic shot at the playoffs!


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