Big week begins

Enough of the Sabres!

Enough of the Islanders!

Enough … actually, too much of the Senators.

The mighty Canucks are at the Bell Centre tomorrow night.

On Thursday, the Canadiens are in Boston.

Fans are going to learn to learn some things about the team this week.

• Dave Stubbs on Brian Gionta’s goal drought

• Red Fisher on the loss to Ottawa

• Jack Todd is not impressed by Scott Gomez, Maxim Lapierre

Yvon Pedneault on Gomez

Martin Leclerc on Benoit Pouliot

Today’s argument-starter: How many shutouts would Carey Price have if he were playing behind the surging St. Louis Blues?

Ty Conklin? Really??

And CKAC reports the Blues were talking trade to Pierre Gauthier during the playoffs.


  1. Xtrahabsfan says:

    You sound like a jealous crap tender ?

  2. Matthew says:

    Fair enough. I just don’t what the fuss is about. Price is playing well enough to win and he is only going to get better. The Habs are sitting in third place in the conference. Should I reiterate for the doom and gloom fans? The Habs are sitting in third place in the conference! We are not going to win 82 games in a season, ever. Nor will any other team.

    It has been a fine start to the season if you ask me




  3. Hobie Hansen says:


    Damn right they’d never make that trade. With his salary and point production, not even an expansion team would take Gomez in an expansion draft.

  4. somerslovesthehabs says:

    have to agree with Hobie, comparing Richards to Gomez is rediculous smiler

    even if you have evidence of Richards horrible defensive skills, his offensive upside would easily outweigh the complete ineptness of Scott Gomez and his gutless forrays towards the oppostitons blueline

    just sayin

  5. The Cat says:

    Theyre a very young team and they have a great defensive system…Theyre also playing much tougher opponents than the habs, the East is not impressive this year…Shows what good coaching does. JM doesnt have a system, its sink or swim with the PP.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  6. Everlasting1 says:

    Goals coming from all lines. You’re a smart boy, do the search.


    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  7. smiler2729 says:

    Lots of Blues fans here… kind of annoying, eh?

  8. The Cat says:

    Its an interesting proposition but I dont think Dallas would do it, Richards does have some versatility that Gomez doesnt have.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  9. smiler2729 says:

    Superstar? I dunno ’bout that but it doesn’t matter, Dallas won’t make that trade

  10. Trenton_Romulox says:

    Well, I mean, overall, I think this season has started rather well. Some games that the Habs have lost have been near-misses and most games have been played sans Markov. Once the power play gets clicking (should be any day now, right? RIGHT?!) and Gomez and Gionta produce closer to their expected levels, this team will be quite good. But hey, if the bottom two lines wanna keep overachieving, they can go right ahead, I won’t mind. And in the meantime, Carey Price just needs to keep playing at the level he is right now, because he’s really been quite solid. Also, I predict that Gionta is gonna really start scoring some goals. *crosses fingers

  11. Trenton_Romulox says:

    Well, I mean, overall, I think this season has started rather well. Some games that the Habs have lost have been near-misses and most games have been played sans Markov. Once the power play gets clicking (should be any day now, right? RIGHT?!) and Gomez and Gionta produce closer to their expected levels, this team will be quite good. But hey, if the bottom two lines wanna keep overachieving, they can go right ahead, I won’t mind. And in the meantime, Carey Price just needs to keep playing at the level he is right now, because he’s really been quite solid. Also, I predict that Gionta is gonna really start scoring some goals. *crosses fingers

  12. fbkj says:

    i guess you missed it yesterday when he proverbally peed in his own face by citing hfboard comments

  13. Mattyleg says:

    He played great in the playoffs, but in his short tenure with the team, his regular-season numbers aren’t that impressive.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  14. avatar_58 says:

    Riddle me this habs fans – are the Blues top scorers scoring? I haven’t followed them. Just a question – how many goals do the top lines have?

    I bet it’s more than Gomez, Gionta, Cammy and Plek have. My point? Well you know my point, score and you win. Don’t and you lose. No matter who is in net.

  15. The Cat says:

    Its only disruption to those who police the site for trolls as opposed to posting something intelligent. His posts dont really need to be debated, hes not saying saying PG made a mistake over and over as far as I know. This is a popular forum, and its more exciting than most hockey forums, thats why people come here.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  16. Everlasting1 says:

    Impressive ain’t it? Smart managing and effective coaching. No Tkachuk, Kariya necessary.


    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  17. Hobie Hansen says:

    Slump or no slump! Richards is a super-star and Gomez is a second/third line center being paid like a super-star.

  18. habitual says:

    A while ago there was a discussion about whether Martin coached young players well.  Martin seems to be too loyal to vets.

    Leclerc is dead on that Pouliott wore goat horns that should have been worn by Gomer.  Yes, Gomer is an obvious target, and what a pleasant surprise to see him wind up and step into a shot, as he did in the third period against Ottawa.  But if he doesn’t do that consistently going forward, why not sit him for a game.  What, exactly, would be the downside? 

    Right now, trying to get him going means cannibalizing Plek’s line, and a rotating door on the 3rd and 4th. In other words, the entire set of offensive lines are affected by Martin’s trying to get Gomer going (and yes, Gionta too).

    Spatch looks like he is either tired or confused.  Why not sit him for a game so he can reflect and collect his thoughts and wind.

    Too many of our D are in their 30s:  Gill is 35, Hammer and Spatch are both 36.  How are the guys not playing (either in the press box or with the ‘Dogs) going to progress the way they are handled now? What happens next year?

    There are some good things to like this season (AK, Carey, perhaps Pouliot) but there are also cracks that need to be repaired.  Part of that has got to be a change in perspective by Martin.



  19. smiler2729 says:

    Blah blah blah.

    Do you have an old Garry Unger sweater too?

  20. Hobie Hansen says:

    Dude, Bergeron is possibly the worst defensive defenseman in the last decade. Nobody cares about his 14 goals or his decent shot on the PP because whenever he’s on the ice and the puck his headed toward his zone peoples’ hearts stop! Hamerlik isn’t as bad as you’re suggesting and even the shaky Spacek is more of an asset then MAB.

  21. fbkj says:

    and many more would be confident hed find his game as most here have special places in our hearts for the guy


    this is a habs site and we dont need to be reminded how his career is progressing

    slovak only posts these “updates” in order to elicit disruption

  22. smiler2729 says:

    It’s a slump. Slumps end.

  23. The Cat says:

    I appreciate the post Slovak, because had Halak started rough with the Blues, many here wouldve said they knew Halak wasnt a true number 1 goalie.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  24. HardHabits says:

    The worse thing about the Blues being as good and young as they are…. they have $12.058 million in cap space!!!!!

  25. duffy says:

    Scott Laughlin asked PHIL ESPOSITO ON Friday if he thought Don Cherry would ever be inducted into HOF. PHIL”S RESPONSE  ”FOR WHAT”   PRICELESS

  26. shiram says:

    We are 25th in goals/game for this year as of now, and 7th in goals againt/game.
    Our power play is a joke, dead last in the league, but we got the 5th best penalty killing in the league.

    18th in shots per game and 7th in shot against.

    To me this draws a pretty clear picture, and that is our offence is the issue.
    Dont bring up Price, unless in praise, as he his doing a bang up job. Our D seems to be holding up pretty good, and while i agree there is some issue at D, it should be offence that needs the most work.

    Is it JM’s system that makes it so we are a great defensive team, but not a great offensive one? Or maybe its the players, with a few players right now definately not pulling their weight? Or maybe its all Gomez’s fault, shouldnt he be setting up everyone left and right with awesome passes?

    The fact is our big guns are not firing… Cammy, Gionta, Gomez, they are not producing as they should, or as we need them to, to keep a competing team troughout the season.

    I dont see how to work a solution either…


  27. ZepFan2 says:

    Hope you used a kleenex after posting that.


    “Young people have seen that a team can play electrifying, fascinating hockey while still behaving like gentlemen.”

    ~Serge Savard~

  28. The Cat says:

    I disagree. Though I agree with you that MAB is not an NHL caliber d-man, the habs need him cause without the PP theyre nothing.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  29. Matthew says:

    Wasn’t Price the Calder Cup MVP with Hamilton? This suggests he was indeed stellar with the Bulldogs…

  30. MathMan says:

    The day MAB signs with the Habs is the day they officially become a crap team again. The guy is a liability five on five and it’s an area the Habs can’t afford to fall back to the gong shows of years past. It’s more important to be strong at evens than to fix the PP that will most likely fix itself to some extent.

    Hammer and Spacek are doing good work, regardless of fan whining. They’re the Habs’ second pairing. Replacing either of them with MAB is ridiculous. It instantly makes Montreal a much worse team.

  31. JF says:

    I wish you would stop posting bits about Halak here.  This site is for Habs fans to discuss their team.  You are a Halak fan.  Post your comments on a Blues site.

  32. RGM says:

    Yeah really, at the end of the year who would want a goalie with a 2.00 GAA? Why that would only be good enough for second place to Tuukka Rask’s 1.97 GAA from 2009-10 and Niklas Backstrom’s equal 1.97 GAA from 06-07 to be the best mark from the past five years. What we need is a goalie that will finish the season with a 1.35 GAA and hope that the team in front of him has sufficient offensive capabilities to score two f’n goals per game.

    Go Habs Go!

  33. The Cat says:

    No matter which goaltender it is, I doubt the habs wouldve shipped him to Philly.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  34. The Cat says:

    The wingers are fine, habs need a true no 1 centreman.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  35. Hobie Hansen says:

    If you’d take Gomez over Richards you’re seriously messed up…

  36. smiler2729 says:

    I’m reading how a lot of you want Brad Richards for Scott Gomez…

    FIRST, Joe Nieuwendyk is NOT an idiot.

    SECOND, I’d take Gomez over Richards (defensively awful)


    THIRD, you all would just start whining about Richards’ salary…

  37. Hobie Hansen says:


    So Jack Todd still isn’t a fan favorite amongst Habs’ fans eh? I used to carpool with my pop to work back in the 90s and he’d almost drive off highway 40 after I read some of Todd’s comments to him during the drive.


    However, was he wrong about anything he said? Carey Price has been good, correct. Gomez is playing like crap in all areas of the game, correct. And finally, Maxim Lapierre is an idiot, correct.


    We all know that it’s time for a change during the 1st intermission on HNIC but to make Don Cherry a zero after a heart filled Coach’s Corner dedicated to fallen Canadian soldiers, past and present, Todd is a not only a zero himself but a negative one thousand. He can call Cherry a zero on most nights but after a tribute like that; Todd deserves a kick in the teeth with an army boot.    



  38. Mattyleg says:

    If we wanted to read those articles, we would go and read them.

    This space is for “YOUR COMMENT” not copying and pasting other articles.


    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  39. jimmy shaker says:

    I was a big Jaro supporter while he was here and was hoping that he would be sticking around here, but the brass had other ideas and we as fans have to live with those decisions.  Like it or lump it…it is what it is.  Basically Jaro has arrived….and Carey still has to put in some driving time in order to arrive.  He has certainly been a bright spot this year so far.  His play has been quite better than it was last year and I think the faithfull here and at the bell centre night in and night out have recognized this.  I have faith in Price, because that’s all we have left and I do see his upside/potential molding into form.   The only issue I have with Price at the moment is his inability to catch the puck, seems like a lot of shots go glove on him, and he can’t catch the puck, giving up many 2nd chance opportunities.  And secondly, his inability to wait out a shooter.  Price is always committing first, before the shooter.  Overplaying the shooter or going down first to his knees is leaving him prone to goals.  If he can remedy these two situations, I think he will definitely get to that next level of tending crease here in montreal.  But Price is the least of the habs problems.  A top 6 winger, the struggling PP, and Hammer and Spacek sucking in all area’s of the game are the main concerns!


  40. Mattyleg says:

    Attention, I’m guessing.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  41. nick says:

    I’m sorry but Price has not been the problem this year.

    The ability to put the puck in the other teams net on the other hand…


  42. Mattyleg says:

    This poster is a robot. Someone mentioned it earlier. It takes random comments from this site and glues them together in a nonsensical fashion.

    A real person would know that Price’s time in Hamilton was not only short, but not stellar.

    Ignore the voices…

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  43. smiler2729 says:

    Rut-ro Shaggy, there’s a goaltending controversy brewing in St. Louis. The Conkers vs. the Halakians

  44. Slovak says:

    “Jaro’s been so fantastic,” Conklin said. “I don’t think there’s been a sharper goalie at the beginning the year. He’s won more tight games than anybody. It’s not like we’re winning games 5-1, we’re winning 2-1 and games like that. I mean, you want to give him a rest, but it’s got to be tough to take him out, the way he’s been playing.”

    But with Conklin, the Blues didn’t skip a beat.

    “He’s been doing it his whole career,” Blues coach Davis Payne said. “Conks just has an incredible knack to be able to come in and be sharp under those circumstances. It was great to see.”

  45. smiler2729 says:

    And if Gauthier would have traded Price to Philly or somewhere, you’d be whining about that now…  So what exactly would make you “happy”?

  46. Mattyleg says:

    Smartdog’s not JT. I met him on Friday. Smartdog, that is.

    I disagree that Gomez seemed to be the only one that cared. He didn’t fight for the puck along the boards, and when he did, he lost it. I watched three or four clips that highlighted that. He only skates through the neutral zone, then stops. He needs to do more than just pass the puck (buck) to his wingers. He needs to CREATE OPPORTUNITIES. That doesn’t come from gaining the zone, stopping, and trying to find someone to pass to. It’s easy to defend. Put one player on him, and two others on the other forwards.

    He’s gotta play smarter, and no, he was not one of the best players on the ice. He was the worst centre.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  47. Everlasting1 says:

    Conklin is another Halak now. Hope that’s the case. This year would be a shoe-in. Might as well polish up and etch ole Stanley now.


    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  48. Hagar says:

    ……………………………………………………………………………..You’re not a Gomez fan, are you?

  49. Chorske says:

    There are few things wrong with the Habs.

    Carey Price is NOT one of them.

  50. habaddict_andy says:

    For the past few days I didn’t come here to read the posts.  I simply came to this site to check for updates on canadiens.  I just don’t like to read those gloom and doom posters telling us “see I told you so”.  But for the past few games, the habs don’t look so good it makes me worry.

    This month we will see how this team is made of.  There will be tough teams to play against.  I’m just wondering, what happened to the first line?  Is it because other teams found a way to stop that line?  And is the coaching team panicking too early after just few games by juggling the lines?

    It seems that this team’s system got disrupted when Markov came back.  They are simply trying to find a formula that works.  Let’s see in few days how this turns out.


    Scott Gomez to Montreal Media “You’re a pain in the neck, but you’re our pain in the neck.”

  51. Chorske says:

    Come on. Admit it. You’re Jack Todd.

    I disagree with Jack Todd because he has no access and spouts the bloody obvious, easy comment- but always a minimum of one week too late. He’s usually a month out of date with his nonsense. Take picking on Gomez. Picking on Gomez this morning- after he was one of the few Habs that seemed to care on Saturday- is STUPID STUPID STUPID.

    Gomez was one of the better Habs on the ice. Sure he needs to shoot more. We’ve been saying that for a year. Welcome to the party, Mr. Todd. Sheesh, and only a year late.

  52. howtathor says:

    I know it’s all good but there has to be a limit for what you can afford. I waited 4 hours in line for Jean Beliveau and he didn’t ask me for a double sawbuck! I donate often to the CH Children’s foundation every time I go to a game not to mention the silent auctions etc. There has to be a line between fandom and altruism.

  53. nunacanadien says:

    So this is what Montreal wanted, a goalie who looks exciting, but only good enough to win by letting in two goals per game and who hopes the team will score 3 to make him a winner, this is Price.  Not trading players to keep Halak was probably one of Gauthier’s biggest mistakes.  Trusting in Price like Gainey is probably the second biggest one.  Sure the kid looked good in Hamilton but when you throw away your good goalie to keep this one?  And overpay him at that?

  54. jimmy shaker says:

    AHHHH, with each passing day MAB gets one more step closer to signing.  With the PP still disorganized and basically useless, the remedy is really quite simple.  As for who’s spot would he take?  Take your pick….Hammer or Spacek.  Trade them both, send them to the minors for cap relief, whatever you can do with them, do it!  These two donkey’s are finished with the habs.  They are old, slow and offer no offensive support, and are at the point now where they suck in there own zone too!  And for Marky…..give him 4 more games to clear the cobwebs from his brain and the rust from his legs.  His intensity and compete level are way off as well.  Hopefully he can shake all of that off and return to his former self.


  55. Habsrule1 says:

    For someone who watched Gomez so closely, not sure how you missed his set-ups to both Gionta & Kostitsyn. If his wingers miss the net, you can’t exactly pin it on him.

    I have no specific love for Gomez, but i just don’t get how you miss how he gains the zone better than any other player and constantly feeds his wingers who can’t seem to FINISH. He’s a playmaker. Most scorers would give their first born to play with him.

    Where I do agree is that he needs to shoot more and get a little dirty, but his play with the puck is very good.

    Go Habs Go!! “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  56. HardHabits says:

    I said something similar yesteray but in less words:

    Submitted by HardHabits on Sun, 11/07/2010 – 12:58.

    Gomez needs to want more. I can see in his body language a lack of wanting. He has no hunger. He’s drifting. I am not saying he is not putting in an effort. He is. Just not up to his capacity. He’s floating by comparison to what he is capable of.

  57. krob1000 says:

    anyone having trouble with the cbc kia hockey pool? I can’t get into it

  58. CanadienBoy says:

    Seem to me,  Gomez lost interest when Gionta got name capt.

  59. avatar_58 says:

    I just want to see more shots and less back passes. Work on that FIRST, then worry about positioning and work ethic. There is ZERO reason to make a no look pass when you are down a goal or two, it’s dangerous and pointless.

  60. Mattyleg says:

    Apart from defending Jack Todd, a very good post.

    Something I noticed as well was that in the offensive zone, Gomez sits on the boards and takes passes and tries to dish to other players. He doesn’t chase down the puck, and he makes his other linemates do all the skating. Kind of like a quarterback – gets the puck, stops, and watches his players try to get open. That’s not, as you mentioned, the way a centre should be playing.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  61. matraque says:

    But the money you paid for the autographs is also donated… So it’s all good.


    Canadien en 5!
    Never go Full Retard

  62. HardHabits says:

    The Good news: The Habs are only team to not let in more than 3 goals per game (in regulation time).

    The Bad news: The Habs are averaging just over 2 goals per game.

    The Ugly news: Jaro’s back-up got a shut-out.

  63. JohnBellyful says:

    Tempers are becoming somewhat frayed at HIO as our beloved team goes through a rough patch. Fingers are being pointed at certain players – mine too, but sometimes they stay curled up in a fist as I wave it at the television – and the situation will only get worse if we don’t take a timeout to look at things positively. My therapist tells me allowing one’s stream of consciousness to flow freely on occasion can release pent-up anger and frustration and lead to a better outlook on life.

    It’s easy. All you have to do is say the first word or two that comes to mind when prompted with the object of one’s ire. If you make the effort and continue long enough with the word association exercise, you’ll end up finding something good to say about a person. Guaranteed.

    For instance:

    Spacek: slow … old …yeller … dog … man’s best friend … Jesus Christ … Saviour!

    Gill: pylon … stationary … engineer … train … railway … CPR … lifesaver … Hero!

    Gomez: Alaskan … baked …dessert … calories … energy … crisis … catastrophe … doomed … extinction of species … Cap space!

  64. SmartDog says:

    I know many of you will disagree with Jack Todd just because… actually, I don’t know why, but you will.  And you think that I bash Gomez for fun. And truth be told, sometimes it IS fun! 

    But in this case it’s sad. Todd is 100% right about Gomez. At the game Saturday night I was watching the centers to see how they did things differently.  Plekanec is just ALWAYS moving to smart strategic positions where he can defend if he needs but grab an opportunity and some open ice to move forward.  And back-checking?  He rushes back if he has any chance of being in the defensive play however slim. 

    Halpern also is so smart positionally and you can see that. He also plays big. He seems to take up a lot of ice. He’s very good at protecting the puck and his both defensively and offensively makes smart, excellent passes.  He is the commader of his line – he spends most of his time in the center are of the ice and moves back there when he’s taken out of position.

    Gomez of course plays the periphery.  Not only does this create a hole in the center of the playing area but it pulls him out of position for playing defensively.  But worse, when the play shift back, Gomez saunters back. It’s incredible how f-n lazy the guy was on Saturday night.  And then I remembered he’s always talking about how you need to remember the pond hockey you played and the fun you had there.  And I realzied that’s EXACTLY how he plays.  In pond hockey you go where-ever you want, and try to make any sort of flashy little dipsy-doodle play, no matter how slim the chance of pulling it off.  You don’t care about what happens defensively and don’t mind being behind the oppoisition net when the play goes back the other way.  And of course you don’t hurry back.  It’s just for fun, why rush to backcheck? 

    That’s the game Gomez plays. Now of course he does SOME back-checking and he’s not ALWAYS out of position. But compared to Halpern and Plekanec Gomez is in the wrong position, gives up on the play, sits waiting for the puck on the periphery, back-checks lazily and generally acts more like he’s waiting for someone to give him the puck than that he should do somethign to go get it. 

    This is not about Gomez’s contract.  It’s about how he’s playing. As much as I wish he was still a Ranger and Bob had never made the foolish trade, he played much better last year.  It’s not surprise to me that Gionta got his second goal the very game he was split from Gomez with how poor his positional play is.  If you are a conscientious winger and playing on his line you’d have trouble not worrying about the play going back the other way and you having to fill in for where your center SHOULD be.  Between that and scrambling to catch low-percentage “nifty” but entirely predictable passes, no wonder he’s only got 3 points and his whole line has suffered. 

    People have blamed Gionat for Gomez’s failings this year.  I really wanted to see for myself what I thought and being at the game in the summit, watching Gio work his ass off and Gomez float in the corners (as someone said, why not play Gomez on the wing – it’s where he always is anyway), it’s clear why people do so well playing with Plekanec.  And now Halpern.  Because they’re doing well compared to playing with Gomez.  The guy needs to go back to school and learn how to play center.  And shame on Martin for not benching Gomez at ANY point.   If anyone needs a wake-up call on this team, it’s him. 

    There is ONE thing I’ll say to his credit. Twice on Saturday night he actually skated AT THE NET. Amazing. Skated right towards it and took a shot.  All too rare and at least it shows he’s trying to listen and do things better.  But without re-thinking how much time he spends in low-return ice, and how bad his ten-thousand passes per game are (really Scott, isn’t it about quality?), there’s no way this guy gets out of anyone’s doghouse, let alone Todd’s (or mine).   He doesn’t deserve it – and needs to wake up and change his game.  No matter how much I hate the contract, he CAN play like a 4-5 million dollar guy.  Right now he’s playing like an aging 4th liner.  Which is halfway accurate and the other half could come to pass soon enough.

    Listen to the SmartDog. He knows his poop!

  65. JustSomeguy says:

    Montreal seems to have a lot of good pieces, but there’s no real chemistry on the team. Other than Price’s play, nothing much seems to be clicking, and the lack of production from Gomez, Gionta, and Cammie is worrying.

    Unfortunately, the usual response to this kind of malaise is to throw bodies in front of the net and get a few garbage goals … but most of our forwards don’t want to go there, while some of them don’t even have the size to effectively screen goalies. The other night, my wife and I were watching another painful PP, and my wife said, “Why the **** don’t they park Gill in front of the net for 2 minutes?” I think there’s some wisdom buried in the frustration.

    This isn’t a call to clean house (honestly — Mtl is still third in the conference).

    But …

    Someone’s gotta light a fire under Gomez. Every time I look at the Habs (sober, at least), he looks like an albatross. Outsized contract (it limits bringing in new talent). Lack of production. Lack of on-ice chemistry with, well, everyone. Disinterested in doing anything but staying on the outside. He looks, more and more, like he’s calling it in, and I’m simply not seeing the upside. The best thing I can say for him is that he seems to be a heckuva guy off-ice, and there’s some value in that.

  66. howtathor says:

    I don’t want to sound curmudgeonly (I’ll leave that to Jack Todd) but I just wanted to comment on the Canadiens’ Fanfest held yesterday at the Bell Center. I heard about it late, that it was a charity event and I rushed out to Mcdonald’s to get tickets for myself and my daughter. The tickets were $15. each and I figured that was a reasonable donation in exchange for autographs or photos. It was only when I arrived at the Bell Center that I discovered there was an additional fee per person in order to partake in the signings or photo ops. That can get pretty expensive if your with a family. I have to admit, I’m an unabashed autograph hound. I’ve waited outside many a training camp to get my jersey signed. I’ve been to previous ‘fanfests’ which were always free. You waited in line but eventually you were rewarded. I don’t know why it all has be about money. The CH should become the C$!

  67. noelsroyce says:

    Who are the SEANtors?

  68. 123456 says:

    I think I just figured out who Captain Hindsight is.

  69. G-Man says:

    He suggested the “stay on both your skates ” rule to shot blocking- no more diving to block shots.

    To me, shot blocking as it is right now is fine. The fact it is a challenge to get a shot on the net is a good thing.

    The fact the players are willing to stand there says a lot about how improved the equipment is, too.

  70. G-Man says:

    8-5-1 is good enough for a playoff spot thus far. I don’t know how long this will continue in the weak east  conference, but so far not so bad.

    Canucks are 8-3-2, so they are not that much better on the ice and Habs have only 1 consistent scoring line. Habs could be a lot better, but then every team gets up for playing the Habs.

    Another interesting week. Price has been average thus far, which is a step up from last season’s nightmare. Only time will tell if he gets any better this season, but so far so….average.

    Gomez will begin to light it up this week- Gionta snapped his slump and goal scorers are streaky.

  71. JohnBellyful says:

    Just received the HIO website listings for November. Here’s a few of the shows you won’t want to miss (or be able to):

    ‘Whatever Happened to …?’ – Jaroslav Halak

    ‘Where Are They Now?’
    Nov. 10 – Jaroslav Halak, Columbus
    Nov. 11 – Jaroslav Halak, Nashville
    Nov. 13 – Jaroslav Halak, Phoenix
    Nov. 15 – Jaroslav Halak, Denver
    Nov. 17 – Jaroslav Halak, Detroit

    ‘The Amazing Race’
      – Jaroslav Halak and the St. Louis Blues build momentum in their quest to reach the Stanley Cup finish line before all the other competitors.

    ‘Two and a Half Men’
    – The story behind the Jaroslav Slak trade: the players who went the other way and the GM who pulled the trigger.

    ‘The Biggest Loser’
     – Montreal fans try to come to grips with departure of Jaroslav Halak while Scott Gomez remains in uniform.

     – St. Louis fans react to trade that brings Jaroslav Halak to the Blues.

    ‘The Price is Right’
    – Game show in which the same player each instalment gives fellow contestants ample chances to win.

  72. Mattyleg says:

    You fool!! You read his column!! Now you’re going to spend the rest of the day asking yourself stupid questions!

    You’ll never get that time back, you know…

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  73. avatar_58 says:

    Did Todd just suggest they stop shot blocking? Because it penalizes high scoring teams???


  74. Former Jets Fan says:

    If Dallas decides to deal him, the offer they receive that includes Scott Gomez would probably be the worst one.  I think it’s a great idea though.

  75. Mike D says:

    Copied and pasted from another thread. My apologies if this is frowned upon.


    Hey guys, wanted to get your thoughts on this as it’s something that has crossed my mind. Don’t know how likely it is (probably not very), but it’s fun to think about if nothing else. Here we go…

    All of the “big” UFAs that were coming up at the end of this season have all already signed extensions with their clubs (Thornton, St. Louis, Chara, P. Bergeron, the other Koivu) except for Brad Richards and our boy Marky. As for Marky, I’m sure mgmt. just wants to make sure he can stay healthy and see that his injuries haven’t affected his ability to play at the level he was playing at. If all is good, I’m confident (and hope) that we’ll re-sign him. After all, who better than Markov to show P.K. the way?

    That brings us to Brad Richards. I’ve heard that he’s hesitant to re-sign in Dallas due to either ownership or mgmt. issues (just a rumour, but could be true). Now, Dallas can’t let him walk away for nothing, and given their young prospects they can’t afford to not find a replacement for him if he leaves because of the message that sends to the team. Looking at age/experience, position, salary, and even size, he’s actually comparable to Gomez. He’s had some injury problems a few seasons back and Gomez has had some production problems so even that makes for somewhat of a comparison. BTW, I concede that Richards is a better player just so you guys don’t jump all over me for trying to say they’re equal.

    Do you guys think it’s at all possible that we may be able to trade Gomez for Richards? Thoughts?

    – Honestly yours

  76. J.T. says:

    The Blues are an excellent example of what happens when a team has ten first-round picks in six years and drafts well enough to have seven of them (or, in Eller’s case, his trade equivalent) in their NHL lineup.  It helps when that team uses two top-five draft picks to choose big, talented defencemen.  Canadiens fans shouldn’t be jealous of the Blues goalie.  They should be jealous of the Blues scouting department.


  77. Mike D says:

    Good thing we replaced all our scouts over the summer then!

    – Honestly yours

  78. RetroMikey says:

    So the overrated Trevor Timmins and his staff whould be let go and we clean house all over again and go back to square one?

    I would like that.


    “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

  79. MontrealAtheist says:

    It’s not the Blues’ scoring that stands out, it’s their goalie. The Blues don’t necessarily score many more than the Habs, but they have a world class goalie who lets in very few, if any, so scoring one or two goals sometimes turns out to be enough to win the game.

    I get it that the team in front of him is not always at its greatest either, but the stats are pretty clear about who’s the better goalie among the two, it’s not even close … Whichever way you look at it (games won, GAA, shutouts, save percentage), despite the few great games that he undoubtedly had this season, by NHL standards Price is only average or slightly above average at best.

  80. The Cat says:

    Ty Conklin has a .911 sv percentage as well as 15 shutouts in 177 career games played…Yeah he really sucks…


    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  81. RetroMikey says:

    Markov, the saviour to our defensive woes, according to most HIO posters here is 1-3 and not played to expectations as an all-star D, is playing very cautious on D and especially along the boards IMO and is injury prone.

    Spacek, getting older , lost more than a few steps, more defensive lapses and bad penalties have made him a liability on D.   What a mistake signing this guy by you know who who is past his prime.

    O’Byrne, a young player who is sulking in the press box, highly praised by many HIO posters here is still a work in progress after 4 seasons here and is overrated IMO.

    Gill, getting older, but playing what is expected from an old goat along with Hamrlik until someone, maybe from Hamilton or via trade again can prove that they can play in Montreal.

    But the season is still young, and there is no way this team will go far with an over the hill gang of D we have playing for us.

    As for the small smurfs we have playing for us up front?

    That’s another chapter.

    “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

  82. Julie H says:

    The season is definitely still young. While a certain Gazette reporter told us to wait until at least the 20 game mark before we start making legitimate judgements, it’s hard not to do comparisions and what if scenarios right off the first puck drop. I disagree about us not going far with the D we have now. You failed to mention Georges, Hamrlik, Subban and Picard. There may be some nights where they are less disciplined than others, but that doesn’t make them entirely useless.

    “I know you’re wise beyond your years, but do you ever get the fear that your perfect verse is just a lie you tell yourself to help you get by?”

  83. Mike D says:

    Markov being healthy enough to get back in the line-up and Markov being 100% healthy are two very different things.  It will likely be a couple of weeks still (2-4) before we see Markov back at 100%.

    – Honestly yours

  84. terrygain says:

    Expecting Markov to be in mid season form after returning from a serious injury is plainly stupid. Your opinion of O’Byrne is hardly surprising.



  85. Hagar says:

    I’m glad you agree that Markov is our MVP. Coming off a serious injury and playing top minutes deserves to be commended. Care to explain exactly how he’s injury prone? Is it because Carey had the bad sense to slice one of his tendons? Or is it because he took a wierd hit into the boards and tore his ACL? Both? Injuries happen.

  86. SeriousFan09 says:

    Markov’s conditioning will take time after spending 7 of the last 13 months rehabbing major injuries. His brain still works fine and a big part of his play is how he thinks the game. Injury prone is Marian Hossa, Sami Salo or Martin Havlat. The Price thing was bad luck and the ACL incident is hardly the first time that’s happened in NHL history or the first time it happened on an awkward fall. Before this, he rarely missed any games at all.

    Both teams Markov returned early from injury to be with the team. That’s commitment.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  87. Mattyleg says:

    I’m not going to go into this too deeply, but get off Hal Gill.

    He is gold. I’ve mentioned this before, so sorry for those who’ve seen it, but he is always exposed early in the season for his lack of pace, but as the season tightens up, he becomes more and more valuable until the playoffs, when he’s unbeatable.

    He’s also a great character guy, good with the kids, and a great presence in the room, from what I’ve heard.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  88. Clay4bc says:

    Not the head scout…


    Man is a credulous animal, and must believe something; in the absence of good grounds for belief, he will be satisfied with bad ones.

    — Bertrand Russell

  89. Mike D says:

    They could get worse offers, lol.  Imagine if TB offered up Vinny.

    – Honestly yours

  90. MontrealAtheist says:

    The question is completely wrong and should be more like this: How many shutouts would the St. Louis Blues have with Carey Price in nets and the answer is an obvious 0. (And more likely then not the Blues would not find themselves at the top fo the conference with a goalie like Price either.)

  91. smiler2729 says:

    God forgive you for you know not what you do (or say, in this case).

  92. Habsrule1 says:

    I actually think Halak has been very good, but he’s also behind a very good defense at the moment. You sound like you think he’s the next coming of Patrick roy. guess what? Patrick Roy was great for a little more than 60 games or so.

    Halak may turn out to be better than Price, but the sampling size is too small right now.

    I say just support the guy that plays for the Habs. He’s been very good, and he’s only getting better.

    Go Habs Go!! “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  93. PrimeTime says:

    Stats alone don’t tell the whole story. How many Blues games have you seen??? They play a Devils style boring trap game and have the least amount of shots against them this year (mr.stat guy). Ikm not saying Halak didn’t deserve the shutouts, but hockey is a team game. I like Halak but have to say your post does not hold much water. ………………………………………
    Prejudice + No objectivity = No credibility. The result: Partisan warfare is on the rise, and truth is on the decline

  94. Mike Boone says:

    Do I know our readership or what?

    Figured the Blues item was sure to elicit some ignorant-ass Comment from a knee-jerk Price-basher.

    Et voilà!

  95. Mattyleg says:

    Posters like this guy make me laugh.

    Here is a field guide to spotting further posters like this one:

    – They use words like “obviously” to try to make their points sound valid, when they are the only ones that believe in them.

    – They say things like “more likely than not” to show that they have a complete understanding of something that they don’t really grasp.

    – They alter any conversation to further their own blinkered view of whatever topic is being discussed because they are unable to have a greater understanding of broader topics.

    – They have names including words like ‘Atheist’, ‘Suck(s)’, ‘Tony’ or a series of numbers after their name that is probably their bank-card PIN number.

    These posters must be avoided and ignored because they generally tend to make a lot of noise in order to be noticed, and then once they have your attention, they will bore you to death.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  96. RetroMikey says:

    I have no fears.

    Sorry if I offended the team especially you being from Montreal and support the team through the good and bad.

    If you are quite content to just have an average team in Montreal season after season, so be it.

    The wise Habs fan that I am wants more.

    17 years without a Cup should be a concern, especially in Montreal.

    The Yankees, Lakers, to name a few have brought a Championship to their City, why can’t we?

    “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

  97. Julie H says:

    No offence taken but don’t suggest that I am appeased by just seeing players show up and skate on the ice when it happens to be their shift. I would love to see us win the cup. Sooner rather than later, in fact. I’m just saying we can’t slice and dice every single person that puts on that uniform because they can’t get their acts together as fast as we’d like.

    “I know you’re wise beyond your years, but do you ever get the fear that your perfect verse is just a lie you tell yourself to help you get by?”

  98. Habsrule1 says:

    No cap for the Yankees makes it much easier to buy championships.

    No Hab fan is content with anything less than a Cup, but it’s easier said than done. The sad part is the lack of acknowledgement when the team does well. They were in the final 4 last year. That’s pretty huge.

    The team has some holes right now, and some of them are with guys that just have not gotten it going. I assume you’ve never played sports, since you think Markov should be a superstar coming in off a pretty serious injury. Give the guy a few games to get into game shape, will ya? He’s showed some flashes, but his timing is off, which is very normal.

    Gionta is better than his stats show….his bad luck is unreal…or maybe starting to grip his stick too tight….whatever. He’ll come around. I love watching Gomez skate with the puck, but he needs to shoot more, and his wingers need to FINISH.

    We have some very good players, and others that are either not quite there, or are getting on, and going the other way now. What that means to me is that when a couple contracts end (Spacek, Hamrlik), the young guys will be coming up. The problem with that is then you’ll expect the 20-22 year olds to lead us to the Cup immediately.

    We have some very good pieces in place, but it’ll be a fight unless these guys all play to their potential and the power play gets going.

    17 years is a long time to wait, but the wait is a lot more fun when we compete like we did just a few short months ago.

    Go Habs Go!! “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  99. SeriousFan09 says:

    So says the Bulldogs fan.

    Both the teams you mentioned can bypass the cap with a luxury tax and aren’t tied down by an oppressive tax rate when signing UFAs.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  100. 123456 says:

    oh julie, if that is your real name, let us not forget there is no fun commenting on positive play, good players, surprisingly good players, good trades, etc.

  101. Julie H says:

    That is my real name and in truth: I find as much amusement commenting on players doing well as players not doing so well. Good and bad go hand in hand, 123456.

    “I know you’re wise beyond your years, but do you ever get the fear that your perfect verse is just a lie you tell yourself to help you get by?”

  102. 123456 says:

    OK not sure if this needs a follow-up or not. My comment was sarcastic because you pointed out some positives and it seems that’s taboo for some of the posters here.

  103. Julie H says:

    My bad. I guess I’m so used to being attacked in general for my opinion that I go into automatic defense mode.

    “I know you’re wise beyond your years, but do you ever get the fear that your perfect verse is just a lie you tell yourself to help you get by?”

  104. Everlasting1 says:

    ONCE AGAIN, it’s not about Cups. It’s about the roster turnovers and becoming a legit contender.


    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  105. smiler2729 says:

    The Blues?

    With that defence allowing so little shots, Muddy Waters could play goal and be a shutout machine (and he left us in ’83)


    The Habs?

    Sometines you win, sometimes you lose… sometimes it rains. (Baseball analogy from Bull Durham but you get the drift).

  106. Bill J says:

    You seriously can be one grade A idiot sometimes.

    Why not use your head to realize what Timmins has done since he came on board with Gainey, has rebuilt a team that had NOTHING at the NHL level + NOTHING in the AHL + NOTHING in the Juniors as far as talent.

    Timmins is NOT perfect, but much better then we’ve seen for some time in MTL.  Every season has progressively shown more promise.

    To assume a better candidate is “out there” and not already scouting for another NHL team, is sheer lunacy.

    Open your eyes!

  107. Hagar says:

    Timmins is a genius. Find me another scout that can pick as many quality NHL’ers as he has while almost always screwing up the first round pick.

  108. SeriousFan09 says:

    Timmins never had a Top 5 pick in what was the most ridiculous draft class for defencemen in a very long time in 2008 and the 1st overall pick of a group that included Erik Johnson, Nicklas Backstrom and Jonathan Toews.

    Still, better can him before he picks any more overhyped junior stars like PK.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  109. howtathor says:

    I don’t want to start with a litany of mistakes: Kostitsyn over Carter-Parise-Getslaf-Richards-Perry, Chipchura over Green, Price over Kopitar, Fischer over Giroux, Mcdonagh and Max Pac over Perron, trading our 2008 for Tanguay. Let’s hope Leblanc and Tinordi work out but I’m sure JM will ruin them as well. Yeah, he did find Markov and Halak in later rounds but even a blind squirrel finds nuts every once in a while.

  110. J.T. says:

    Sure, some of the Blues success is because they tanked hard enough to score those fine young defencemen in the draft.  Compare some of the other picks they made with Timmins’ though, and it’s not so rosy.  In 2007, they picked Eller, Cole and Perron.  All of them are in the NHL, and the guy they picked at number 26 overall, Perron, is becoming one of their go-to offensive guys.  In comparison, the Habs picked Ryan McDonagh and Max Pacioretty, neither of whom are in the NHL right now.  Pacioretty had his chance and couldn’t cut it.  McDonagh, if he does make it, will be a Ranger and probably not the can’t-miss top-two guy he was projected to be when Montreal picked him.  In 2006, the Blues picked Patrick Berglund, who’s on their NHL roster.  The Habs picked David Fischer, who’s playing in the ECHL after four years of college.  2005, the Blues picked nice right-handed centre T.J.Oshie at #24, while the Habs picked Carey Price at #5.

    I’m not saying Timmins doesn’t score some gems like Subban once in a while.  But there are a whole lot of his picks, especially first-rounders, who just don’t pan out.  It’s great to have a well-stocked farm team that can challenge for the Calder Cup, but it all means little if that doesn’t translate into a strong NHL team that can challenge for the Stanley Cup.  On the Canadiens’ 23-man roster right now, there are seven Habs-drafted players.  Two of them, Plekanec and Markov, came before Timmins’s tenure.  Three more, Kostitsyn, Lapierre and O’Byrne, came from the 2003 draft, for which Andre Savard’s team had done much of the work.  Only Price and Subban are 100% Timmins picks.  Not counting the last two drafts (to take development time into account), or 2003, when he shared duties with Savard, Timmins has drafted 36 players.   Of those, eight are in the NHL in some capacity.  Price and Subban are the only two with the Habs.  Grabovski has found a niche in goal-starved TO.  Streit has blossomed into a legitmate offensive defenceman.  Chipchura’s a grinder in Anaheim, D’Agostini’s on a hot streak in St.Louis where nothing can go wrong so far this year, Latendresse has had some ups and downs in Minnesota and Sergei Kostitsyn is still questionable in Nashville.

    Eight of 36, or 22%, is probably a pretty good percentage of drafted players to make the NHL, if you were to compare other teams’ totals.  But it’s the quality of the player that matters.  At some point, Sergei, Lats, Chipchura, D’Agostini and Grabovski made themselves expendable in Montreal.  These are not the Oshies and Perrons of the world we’re talking about.  Are the Canadiens in the business of providing spare parts for other teams, or in developing legitmate talent for themselves.  So far, they’ve done a lot of the former and not a whole lot of the latter.

    The argument will come up that a lot of the problems with the Canadiens’ young players is the team’s development system.  What is that, though?  What are teams like the Blues doing differently?  Why is David Perron drafted and playing for the Blues, while Max Pacioretty is happy to be playing for the Bulldogs?  If there’s an answer to those questions, the Canadiens should have found it by now, because that criticism has been levied at the team for years.  I suspect the development of players has a lot to do with the actual talent they have in the first place.  If PK Subban couldn’t cut it, he’d be in Hamilton.  If Max Pacioretty could, he’d be in Montreal.  Development depends on the quality of player drafted in the first place…both mentally and physically.


  111. SeriousFan09 says:

    Markov had nothing to do with Timmins actually. Chipchura’s slashed achilles tendon permanently affected his skating and that’s unfortunate but it wasn’t Timmins fault. He did discover the next great defender in Subban I’d remind you.

    Price over Kopitar? Really? Hardly an argument to make with the season Carey is having so far. Andrei Kostitsyn is outscoring everyone you just named save Ryan Getzlaf as well this season.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  112. SeriousFan09 says:

    Max Pacioretty was never properly developed, his 1 season in NCAA hockey didn’t prepare him for a long year and than playing half an AHL season before getting tossed into it meant a bad start. The problem was roster holes that never quite got plugged until this season so he was unfortunately used as a patch. This season in the AHL will produce a better player than we’ve previously seen.

    Ian Cole has played two NHL games so far and he could get sent down tommorow, Coliacovo wasn’t injured and he wouldn’t be on the team. Chipchura never fully recovered from his tendon injury but let’s go ahead and blame Timmins for that happening. The issue is MTL is always going to see more talent depart because a greater portion of players can play in non-pressure markets compared to the MTL pressure cooker and they are always fighting an uphill battle for UFA signings/resigning due to that fact that the tax rate hobbles the team for getting better deals.

    St. Louis wouldn’t be where they are without Johnson and Pietreangelo though and that’s the key, Montreal is short a very high pick that let them get to where they are. Everyone seems to forget how much of a mess Serge Savard’s drafting was after ’87, if it hadn’t been for taking Koivu in ’93 the last 17 years would be even darker than they are. Legacies of drafting come down to a few key moves in the end, Price and Subban may be what determines the entire thing so I’m waiting to see how that turns.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  113. Hagar says:

    It’ll soon be 9 once my boy Weber gets his call. He’s lighting it up down there.

  114. howtathor says:

    Need I say that Timmins left Subban to the second round where he could easily have been drafted by another team. That was careless and he could’ve been burned on that one taking Ryan Mcdonagh AND Max Pac in the first and PK at 43rd over all.

  115. J.T. says:

    I hope Pacioretty, Price, Subban, Leblanc, Kristo and Tinordi will all have Timmins looking like a genius in three years.  When it comes down to it, all we want is for the Canadiens to build the best team thay can and win us a Stanley Cup or three.  If that means screening players more carefully for characteristics like mental strength and attitude, then that needs to happen to enable the kids to handle the pressure of Montreal.  It seems to be a non-issue in Subban’s case, but we see the struggles Price has had in that department before this year. 

    Public pressure is definitely a concern when it comes to performance and retention of players.  Then again, if the team picks talented players with the ability to translate to the higher levels of the game, it’s easier to deal with pressure.  Nobody boos you when you’re scoring.

  116. Habsrule1 says:


    Unreal. you’d rather bash him for taking Subban late than credit him for taking him at all….unlike 29 other teams.

    You are warped, dude.

    Go Habs Go!! “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  117. howtathor says:

    Let me ask you though, wouldn’t you take Subban over Mcdonagh and Max Pac? Subban was a great player in Junior. I don’t even want to start about Mr. Minnesota hockey. What I’m trying to say is that Timmins was looking at US High Schools when the obvious choice was playing for the Belleville Bulls!

  118. J.T. says:

    There’s no comparison to be made between the two teams where it really counts for a goalie: defence.  The Blues have young, skilled, first-round quality defencemen like Johnson and Pietrangelo playing 25 minutes a game.  What have the Canadiens got to compare with that?  A rusty Markov or ancient Spacek?  Subban hobbled by covering for Gill?  I suspect if you made an even-up exchange of defence corps on those two teams, you might see a bit of difference in the outcomes of some games.


  119. Habsrule1 says:

    there is still someone down on Hal Gill? Talk about not seeing value in a player. gill has many strengths and Subban has hardly had to cover for him.

    The rest of your post is right on point.

    Go Habs Go!! “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  120. Mattyleg says:

    And Ty Conklin getting a shutout means that Halak is good…?

    I don’t get it. Like it’s been said, seems like Manon Rhéaume could get a s/o for that team.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  121. J.T. says:

    Yes, Hal Gill has many strengths.  Skating, pinching and puck-handling are not among them.  Faced with speed, Gill gets caught a lot, and the mighty stick that acts as a fifth penalty killer in the playoffs fumbles the puck in the looser regular season.  Subban is definitely playing back much more often than he normally would to help cover if Gill’s caught pinching, or to clear the puck when Gill gives it away…which he does a few times a game.

    Don’t get me wrong: I love Playoff Gill.  He proved his value in post-season situations beyond question last year.  Unfortunately, the regular season is a different, more wide-open game most nights, and Regular Season Gill makes a lot of mistakes.


  122. HabsoluteFan says:

    I can’t understand how someone can say Price is average at best.  It’s like the husband who can’t appreciate his wife because he’s always looking at other ladies thinking he’d like to be with her because she has breast implants or because she’s a doctor (that’s the best I could come up with on this Monday morning) 

    We get it, Halak is good.  That doesnt take anything away from what Price is doing so far this season for our team.  Every game he has a HUGE stop that keeps us in games.  Saturday night, it should’ve been 4 or 5-0 before Spacek gave us any hope.

    We don’t have goaltending problems, we need to score more goals…I can’t seem to remember Halak scoring goals for us when he was here.  That being said, I do agree he’s having a great start to the season.  I’m happy for him…I just don’t see the use of talking about him all the time when we should be looking for answers in our top 6 and our PP.

  123. matraque says:

    Breast implants sucks btw…

    As for our goal scoring problem, we would have probably fixed it… But we traded Halak (no, he did not scored any goals) for a prospect.  A prospect that should be in Hamilton right now.  But management wants to make us believe that Eller can play in the NHL right now.


    Canadien en 5!
    Never go Full Retard

  124. JF says:

    I think it’s because fans saw Price being handed the starting job without having earned it, while Halak was pretty much ignored by management while proving over and over again that he could do the job.  Then they saw Price’s meltdown in 2009 and subsequent issues with confidence and focus.  It’s going to take a great deal of evidence to convince people that Price is other than mediocre, especially when they see Halak racking up the shutouts in St. Louis.  But I agree with you; Price has been outstanding, and goaltending is not one of our problems.  J.T.’s comments yesterday about the difference between St. Louis and Montreal are useful when comparing Price and Halak – which it seems people are obsessed with doing.  St. Louis has a very good, young, mobile defence who give up very few shots per game.  Montreal?  Not so much.  Our defence is pretty solid overall, but not the fastest or biggest, and it sometimes breaks down.  We’re doing better in terms of allowing shots and scoring chances than we were last year, but we’re not as good as St. Louis.  It’s likely that Halak would have similar numbers to Price if he were here. 

    The problem for us is scoring goals, both 5-on-5 and on the powerplay.  We absolutely have to get the powerplay going if we’re to have a chance of making the playoffs.  So far Markov is having no impact, and I suspect he’s not really ready to return.  A couple more games of the powerplay going 0-for-whatever and I think Gauthier will have to make a move.  Either try Picard, who shoots left, on the point, bring up Yannick Weber, or, if worst comes to worst, sign Marc-André Bergeron.

  125. Mattyleg says:

    Awwwww…. it was starting off to be such a good morning.

    Then I saw that link.

    Yes, you all know the one.

    Jack Todd has started commenting on hockey again.

    Ughhhhh…. roll in the clouds, bring on the rain….

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  126. smiler2729 says:

    Scott Gomez, Maxim Lapierre are not impressed by Jack Todd

  127. SeriousFan09 says:

    Well hey, Habs have lost 3 of their last 4 so it is an excellent time for him to start writing some hackwork now that he can’t beat up on Price.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  128. boneheadslanger33 says:

    Jack Todd is a hack. I was so happy the day I read that Jack Todd was leaving the Gazette to concentrate on writing “fiction” and there would be no more of his nonsensical Monday Morning Quarterback column. No more “heroes and zeros”, no more referring to his readers as “grumbles and bogs” as though they were all six years old and  no more excessive use of the ampersand. To my dismay his thoughts started creeping back into the Gazette and now this webpage…

    Wouldn’t Jack Todd be better on the city beat? He clearly hates professional sport

  129. Chorske says:

    Oh my goodness!

    I know, daylight savings time makes me cranky too. 😉

  130. Mattyleg says:

    Woah! It’s groundhog day on HI/O! The time hasn’t been adjusted on the comments yet.

    It’s like déjà vu before it actually happened! (that is the quote, right…?)

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  131. SmartDog says:

    Gotta play to the crowd!

    Next you need to do an item on a reffing conspiracy to keep Montreal from ever winning another cup, and then on nominating Bob Gainey for the worst GM in the history of the universe.  After that, how about something about aliens landing in Dorval?  Just a thought.

    Listen to the SmartDog. He knows his poop!

  132. fbkj says:

    which would instantly make dorval interesting

  133. Mattyleg says:

    So few people are, really.

    Apart from the obvious: Jack Todd himself.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  134. Mattyleg says:

    Yeah, you got it. I’m not even going to bother reading it. It’ll only be one click towards furthering his inflated ego.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  135. Chorske says:

    I’ve said this before- Jack Todd is classic schoolyard bully. He sits back and waits to see who the obvious target is. Price drops a few meaningless preseason games and Todd is all over him. Habs squeak into the playoffs, and Todd craps on the exact guys who carry us through. If there is an obvious turd to sling, Todd will sling it.

    With no access to the room, he has no more insight than anyone in here- the only difference is that his status as Gazette columnist gives him a soapbox and a veneer of legitemacy. Berkshire, JD_, SeriousFan09, and so many others here provide far more food for thought and genuine insight than Scrooge McTodd, who don’t know Jack.

    &&&&&&&&&, anyone who starts a column that way is a douche.

  136. smiler2729 says:

    I played in a tournament this weekend, Saturday night I got a shutout, I made about 8 saves… but since I got the mighty SO stat I was getting high fives left and right from my guys and “great game” comments from the opposition in the handshake… I made 8 freakin’ saves! It’s like I played behind Robinson, Lapointe and Savard and the greatest backcheckers since the Don Marcotte/Bob Gainey era.

    I didn’t do nuthin’! So put me behind the St. Louis trap system and I’ll out-Halak Halak… I could use the money.

  137. Everlasting1 says:

    I’ve seen every game, and no they’re not boring and don’t play the trap system. They are a physically dominant skating team. 


     “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  138. 123456 says:

    hate playing against you guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! while i don’t it feels like i do

  139. HardHabits says:

    I look at teams like LA and STL who are young, robust, talented and have cap space galore and sigh. So my premise here is to show the Habs last two Cup wins teams as viewed via how they were built. Both teams were stocked with players that they drafted and developed. Each team had a few undrafted players and notable trades to add pieces not available via the draft. What is interesting is that the Habs were able to snag some former high draft picks via trades. This is why I have such a high estimation of Serge Savard the GM.


    The 1985-1986 team list of players drafted by the Habs:

    The Veterans:

    1971 Amateur 20 2 Larry Robinson
    1973 Amateur 8 1 Bob Gainey

    GM Irving Grundman 1978-1983 picks

    1978 Amateur 231 19 Chris Nilan
    1979 Entry 37 2 Mats Naslund
    1979 Entry 44 3 Guy Carbonneau
    1980 Entry 61 3 Craig Ludwig
    1980 Entry 124 6 Mike McPhee
    1981 Entry 40 2 Chris Chelios
    1981 Entry 82 4 Kjell Dahlin

    Serge Savard 1983-1995 picks

    1983 Entry 26 2 Claude Lemieux
    1983 Entry 78 4 John Kordic
    1984 Entry 29 2 Stephane Richer
    1984 Entry 51 3 Patrick Roy

    Players obtained via trade:

    Ryan Walter >> Selected by Washington Capitals round 1 #2 overall 1978 NHL Amateur Draft
    Rick Green >> Selected by Washington Capitals round 1 #1 overall 1976 NHL Amateur Draft
    1982-Sep-09 Walter and Green for Brian Engblom, Doug Jarvis, Rod Langway and Craig Laughlin

    Bobby Smith >> Selected by Minnesota North Stars round 1 #1 overall 1978 NHL Amateur Draft
    1983-Oct-28 for Mark Napier, Keith Acton and round 3 pick in the 1984 draft (Ken Hodge)


    The 1992-1993 team list of players drafted by the Habs:

    The Veterans:

    1979 Entry 44 3 Guy Carbonneau
    1984 Entry 51 3 Patrick Roy

    Serge Savard 1983-1995 picks

    1986 Entry 27 2 Benoit Brunet
    1986 Entry 141 7 Lyle Odelein
    1987 Entry 33 2 John LeClair
    1987 Entry 38 2 Eric Desjardins
    1987 Entry 44 3 Mathieu Schneider
    1989 Entry 30 2 Patrice Brisebois
    1990 Entry 81 4 Gilbert Dionne
    1990 Entry 102 5 Paul DiPietro

    Undrafted >> Stephan Lebeau, Mike Keane


    Kirk Muller Selected by New Jersey Devils round 1 #2 overall 1984 NHL Entry Draft
    1991-Sep-20 Traded with Rollie Melanson for Tom Chorske and Stephane Richer

    Brian Bellows Selected by Minnesota North Stars round 1 #2 overall 1982 NHL Entry Draft
    1992-Aug-31 Traded for Russ Courtnall

    Vincent Damphousse Selected by Toronto Maple Leafs round 1 #6 overall 1986 NHL Entry Draft
    1992-Aug-27 Traded for Shayne Corson, Brent Gilchrist and Vladimir Vujtek

  140. Hobie Hansen says:

    Imagine adding LeClair to the Gomez and Gionta line!!! And I’d send Spacek packing and replace him with Odelein in a heart beat.

  141. boneheadslanger33 says:

    LA and St Louis have not won anything. Would it not make more sense to make your comparison against the last 2 or 3 Cup Champions, Chicago, Pittsburg and Detroit to see how they were built?

     1986 and 1993 were a long time ago and much has changed in terms of how teams are put together

  142. punkster says:

    Damn, sorry I missed you Saturday. The gf and I can’t keep up with these young, late-night, party-hardy HI/Oers. Rain check.

  143. smiler2729 says:

    How about trading Gomez, AK46 and Markov to Calgary for Jarome Iginla, Rene Bourque and Jay Bouwmeester?

  144. Hobie Hansen says:

    At least this one makes a little more sense. However, There’s no way Calgary would make that trade because Gomez is horrible for the sum and lenght of his contract. Nobody wants Gomez, not even for nothing, we’re stuck with him unless we send him to the minors.

  145. faninCalgary says:

    Wow! Have you watched Bouwmeester??? Talk about a waste of $6.8 million.


  146. Bugs says:

    Yeah, yeah, Todd’s a tool, Gomie’s sleeping, Poolio is super-fantastic, Halak’s a god, the Kid’s playing great and we have no pp. Good.

    Now, radical subject change: y’all see my Cowboys goin down in flames? It was a freak-show last night, a total freak-show. Imagine a sinking circus, that’s what it was like. Thankfully, this was foreseeable and I dutifully took note of it afore my Prédictions picks.

    Miscalculated on the MIA-BAL game; thought fersure the Dolphins could pull it out. Got screwed in two OT games (what’s with all the OT games this year?), DET and KC.

    And WHO saw the NE debacle comin? Cleveland??? Really? Feh…

    But the rest came in, baby! If Pittsburger wins tonight, that puts my week at 9-4…

    Aaaaand, I’ll have no chance to win Prédictions at all with that record if I didn’t even come CLOSE last week with a 10-3 one.

    But I can’t help it! It’s like a chess-game, but instead of pawns, it’s 300-lb mastodonts crashing into each other with 10-million-dollar concussive force; what’s not to love?

    Cuz hey, I LOVE chess.

    Spuriously furious, I swear as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Minority Owner of the Habbalicious Bubble-Gum Emporium, Proprietor of the Flanneltop Pop Shop, and Beaming Tenant in Mama’s Basement, i.e., Habsbros Central:

  147. punkster says:

    Well whatever you do don’t count on them beating my Giants next weekend. Put your shekels down on the Browns though. I got a feeling.

  148. Say Ash says:

    How you fail to mention Brett Favre is beyond me.

  149. punkster says:

    Everyone’s fav solution to the problem of not winning games?

    “Trade ____” or “send _____ to Hamilton”.

    What does that say about you if that’s your recommendation?

    (this should bring some fascinating responses)

  150. Hagar says:

    Send Weber from Hamilton. A big shot on the pp is what we need.

  151. Storm Man says:

    Yawn……… Let’s talk about the Cowgirls in the running for the number 1 draft pick next year. JJ must be cleaning his pants today.

  152. SeriousFan09 says:

    Didn’t even take 20 games for “JM is ruining P.K. Subban”, hilarious really guys, this is so far beyond delusional…

    P.K. Subban is still 9th overall in rookie scoring, the only D ahead of him is John Carlson with the offensive powerhouse Capitals, he has 6 assists (only Jeff Skinner has more assists among rookies), is +4 and is essentially tied with Carlson for TOI, averaging only 5 fewer seconds per game at 21:32 per.

    Last season, P.K. Subban had 1G and 7A to this point in the season, than he basically ruled the AHL for the rest of the year, it took him a little time to get geared up and than he just dominated. Ex-Hab Mike Keane who captained the Manitoba Moose last season and lost to the Bulldogs in round 1 said P.K. Subban was the reason the Moose lost round 1.



    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  153. Hagar says:

    I’m actually surprised it took this long.

  154. punkster says:

    Great meeting you this weekend Robert. I forgot you’re from near my home town, just outside Kitchener.

  155. SLONCOLD says:

    well, i’m not worried about PK. been playing very well actually but he does have to watch and learn about when it is right to pinch sometimes. carey has covered up a few of his mistakes. overall though, the kid is playing very well.

  156. HardHabits says:

    I still think PK and Eller should be with Hamilton, for a while at least.

  157. shiram says:

    Am i the only one who thinks PK takes too long to wind up his slap shot? It sure his powerful, but goalies can get a bead on him for sure while taking time to wind it up.

  158. SmartDog says:

    Some people just like to get a jump on things!

    Habs are going through some sorting out of lines…. I still think JM isn’t done with moving guys around, nor should he be. I don’t know why he doesn’t put PK back with Picard and sit one of the old guys every other game.  PK-Picard was a great D-pairing. Probably the best pairing for the money in the entire league.  Markov comes back and JM line-shuffles again.  This guy must take a half hour to pick out his shoes in the morning.

    Listen to the SmartDog. He knows his poop!

  159. Hagar says:

    Just in case you wanted to know, the Packers are winning the Superbowl this year.

  160. punkster says:

    The yawn was that game Saturday. As I said way down the comments I had to leave twice to get a wake up coffee, missed both habs goals but really didn’t miss a thing.

  161. Storm Man says:

    Best joke of the year.

  162. Hagar says:

    No, I’m being serious. The Packers are taking it all. Call your bookie.

  163. Storm Man says:

    I told him I have a live one, You should be getting a call from him after he stops LOL. 

  164. Hagar says:

    Who do you cheer for?

  165. Storm Man says:

    Chargers…. So I take it you cheer for the Pack? I don’t think you would bet your house on them winning it all this year you would you?


  166. Hagar says:

    When the Packers go farther than the Chargers I’ll remind you who told you so, and tell you who to bet on in the future if you ask nicely.

  167. Storm Man says:

    When Im sitting in my seat at the Super Bowl Next year I will send you a email asking where are The Packers? Like I said not this year.

  168. nick says:

    Folks here could use a laugh or two, this should help:

  169. Hobie Hansen says:

    MAB can’t play hockey, otherwise he’s great. Putting MAB in the lineup is like taking a long drive champion and asking him to win a PGA event, won’t happen. Any other bright ideas?

  170. HardHabits says:

    Chicago and Pittsburgh is easy. They each had high draft picks over consecutive years. Detroit is an example of a team that not only drafts well in later rounds but also has a developed system of not rushing players.

    My point about the ’86 and ’93 teams is that they were both stocked with players that came up through their drafting. Stupidly though the Habs traded many of those great picks for peanuts.

    The Chicago and Pittsburgh route entails tanking 4-5 years to achieve. I suggested that last season and I still believe in todays NHL CBA revenue sharing slary cap ponzi scheme it’s probable that most of the next  Cup winners will have been teams that managed a few top 5 picks.

    The Detroit method is not as intensively painful short term as tanking a few seasons but is a more prolonged lesser pain, one which the Habs appear to be unwilling to take. There are 8 defensmen. PK should be in Hamilton. Eller should be in Hamilton. Price should’ve spent his whole 1st year in Hamilton, maybe coming up for the playoffs and then sent back the next season even if they has won the Cup. Same thing for Lats.

    The past shows that the Habs got lucky. They have no system, no development, no torch, just fond memories. What the Habs do have in abundance is arrogance. It’s what got them in this 19 year drought mess. Unfortunately bad habits die hard.

  171. SeriousFan09 says:

    Subban’s fine where he is, he wasn’t that far along in scoring with Hamilton last year either by this point but then hey, he basically broke every single records the Bulldogs had for a defencemen. Eller in Hamilton, not sure but I think the problem is he’s getting the wrong assignments.

    Wow, you were a lot less negative on Saturday night I must say.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  172. ManApart says:

    Good post. I’ve been saying a long time. The main reason for Gainey’s failings have been bad drafting as well as bad development. If his drafting, especially 1st rounders had been good, we would have had younger cheaper top 2 line players, that would have not made it necessary to spend a fortune buying guys like Gomez and Gionta as well as Hammer, Spacek etc. There then would be more money to upgrade our weaknesses, which Gauthier did none of last summer because there was no cap room to do so. It all stems from bad amateur drafting and development as you stated. I really see no hope for this club, until Gainey, Gauthier, Timmins et al is nowhere near the draft table from here on out.

  173. HardHabits says:

    Just honing my negativity skills. I been getting a lot of flack for being too positive. Just trying a little balance. The good news is that the ‘Dogs are doing great. I think Eller and PK with them would make them even better. You gotta understand too that I have been following the Habs since before ’73. Going through the years after 1995 as a Habs fan have been miserable. Blunder after blunder. It’s been like a tragedy of errors. I am not negative though. I am very patient with this team. I still think they are trying too much too soon, as usual.

  174. ManApart says:

    I agree with you on Subban but not Eller. Eller has done nothing in 13 games and must be sent to Hamilton, right away, to play big minutes, before the Habs set him back just as was done to Max Pac. I told you before the year that Eller is a second tier prospect and is not ready as you thought he was. I said this team had not improved this summer. We did not address our lack of secondary scoring. You kept repeating Eller and Subban would pick up the slack. I said no that is not the answer. Well how about 0 goals in 27 games for the duo combined. One day you will learn to listen to me when I tell you what is up.

  175. SeriousFan09 says:

    I get it, but at least you approach the Habs situation with a sense of proportion compared to what the late 90s, early 2000s were actually like to how they are now. You’d swear we were right in the middle of the Houle era the way some are complaining.

    Dogs would be better with PK of course but I think it’s time for Subban to grow his game in the NHL environment. Eller is going head to head with Ben Maxwell and David Desharnais for those Top-6 center positions in HAM and Desharnais is the reigning scoring leader for the Bulldogs and Maxwell, while slumping i doubt will stay that way, I’m not sure he would definitely get more TOI down there and if he did, if it would be to develop as a centre or as a winger. Andreas Engqvist is also battling for a C position in Hamilton and is at present, the leading defensive forward there. Could create competition, but could also edge Eller to the wings and we’d probably like him to develop as a centre.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  176. ManApart says:

    How patient do you want to be?!! It’s been 15 years of misery as you stated. Gainey/Gauthier are on their 7th year for God sake. No more patience. We’ve seen so many blunders by those boneheads that it’s hard to keep track anymore. There is only one way to get this thing straight, and that’s to cut off the snakes head. Nothing else should be done in any respect until management is wiped out. I’ve been saying this since Carbo was fired. That’s when Gainey and the gang should have also been shown the door. It was the end of the 5th year. Should have been enough. Gillette was too in love with them to do what was right. Now it’s up to Geoff Molson to start his tenure as Presidency in the right way, for all our sakes.

  177. SeriousFan09 says:

    Subban doesn’t have a goal? Oh no! Well that’s certainly the book on him since he only had 1 to this point in Hamilton last year and the goaltending quality is a little better in the NHL after all. Eller’s spot and big TOI in the AHL isn’t guaranteed either if you’ll consult my other posts on the battle for the Centre positions in Hamilton and if MTL wants Eller to develop as a Centre.

    Why should I listen to you when you tell me what’s up? What are your credentials for evaluating hockey teams? Better than mine other than ‘watching the game longer than you’? Because by that logic we younger people should never dare disagree with our elders on here and cower in the corners when we do. Subban has picked up the slack on the D, taking on big minutes, tough assignments and acquitted himself well. Eller doing as well as we hoped? No but it’s not a cut and dried argument. If you think this team isn’t better than last year’s squad… Please.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  178. ManApart says:

    Stop saying we’re better than the Houle era. Although true, it means nothing, and is definately not a sign of success. After 7 or 10 years, to not be a contender by now, and to still have so many holes, is an utter failure by management and they MUST BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE. No more chances. Maybe they can run out the year, but that is it. This is the Montreal Canadiens not the St Louis Blues. “We’re better than we were when we really stank” is a copout and unacceptable as far as I’m concerned. But then again like HH said, you’re a youngen who has become acclimatized to mediocrity.

  179. ManApart says:

    before camp I said Gauthier has done badly this off season because he didn’t address our weaknesses that got us hammered by the Flyers. Our offense is still one dimensional, we have little physical presence in the O zone and little secondary scoring. That was the main problem after being shutout in 3 games by Leighton for God sakes. You, as usual, couldn’t see what was so obvious, and kept coming up with Subban and Eller make our scoring better as well as our team. I countered that this was a  huge exaggeration. I also told you our D was better with Subban but was getting 1 year older and slower as a whole, so that is also a problem. NO, no you said. Eller and Subban, Eller and Subban. Well now look at the situation. That’s why you should listen. Also remember that big debate we had where you tried to tell me Lombardi was almost as good as Pleks, and could replace him? Seriously Seriousfan, you know some hockey, but your biases really skew your clarity.

  180. HardHabits says:

    I never said SF09 is a youngen who has become acclimatized to mediocrity.

    I said I am an olden who’s lived through some dark times as Habs fan. I am not going to write off Bob Gainey and company just yet. He was the last great captain of this team and the last unifying force as a player. I am putting my trust in him. Purging the management is not the answer. The ownership and team has been completely rebooted. Give it a rest for 4-5 years. Gainey inherited a mess and has done admirably since then. The team is in a rebuilding stage. The sad truth is that the Habs can’t tank like othe teams. The Habs can’t spend yerras in the wilderness building via the draft while they miss the playoffs year after year either. It’s a sad fact because of fans like you who want everything now today. As an old-timer I am willing to give this bunch time to build a game plan that works out over a few moves ahead into the future.

  181. HFX-HabFan says:

    Or, maybe you’re living in a fantasy world based on being spoiled by our success in the distant past, or even your own sense of self-entitlement because you have nothing else to live for.  Since the league expanded to over 20 teams thirty years ago, only seven teams, including Montreal, have won two or more Cups.

  182. ManApart says:

    I want everything now today?!! It’s been 18 years man. 7 years with current management. You want to give them time? Purging management is not the answer? You must have gone mad from Gomez’s brilliance. You are just not talking any sense.

  183. SeriousFan09 says:

    Great meeting you too, best trip I’ve made back to MTL since I left by far.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  184. ManApart says:

    That really is the sad truth of it all. You see how well Dubinsky has taken over Gomez’s duties in NY? Outside of Edmonton, Sather’s greatest day, was when Gainey came asking for Gomez.

  185. SeriousFan09 says:

    If he’s still at 1A by the end of the week, I’m going to start leaning in that direction, but with Desharnais, Maxwell as the Top 6 centers in Hamilton he’s got the same issue for TOI than he does with the big club.

    However, with Maxwell only getting 1 assist in the last 5 games it might generate a little competition as well but it’s not like Eller would get automatic TOI to develop his game as a centre.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  186. SLONCOLD says:

    what would PK get from being in hamilton? I think he’s learning a bunch up in the NHL and getting good assigments and playing time.

    i will agree with you on eller though; i think he could benefit from more ice time in the AHL.

  187. TripleX says:

    Don’t know about PK, but Eller for sure needs more ice time and Hamilton is the place to develop.  Didn’ PG say that Hamilton is the place for players to develop when asked about Max?  Eller is just regressing in Montreal.


    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  188. HardHabits says:

    He’d bump Maxwell to the 3rd spot for sure and that would give them a great 1-2 punch down the middle. Unless Eller gets put with Plex and AK I don’t see being on the big team having much value for him.

  189. aemarchand11 says:

    Worst case scenario, next season Gomez and his contract will be buried in the minors. If Redden and Souray are down there, then there is no reason why Gomez can’t be subject to the same treatment.

    I like Gomez, he’s funny, exciting and does work hard on the ice. But his game is so offensively one-dimensional. Rush up ice, dangle, drop pass. When it comes down to all of it, the money is not worth the results. Even when he is producing his point total is around 60-65?

    Go Habs Go!

  190. Bugs says:

    Can we wait AFTER the playoffs before doing that?

    Cuz…Gomie’s kinda GOOD in the playoffs. You know, when it REALLY counts?

    Spuriously furious, I swear as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Minority Owner of the Habbalicious Bubble-Gum Emporium, Proprietor of the Flanneltop Pop Shop, and Beaming Tenant in Mama’s Basement, i.e., Habsbros Central:

  191. BJ says:

    Didn’t he win the ECHL scoring title with the Alaska Aces? He might be a good second line centre there.

  192. VancouverHab says:

    Ha ha! This is great. I needed a Monday morning pickup at H-I/O after a morose two-loss weekend and “ask and ye shall receive” — it’s Mr. Jack Todd with a column reading not quite exactly like a 3 hr & 12 min commentator: he bashes Scott Gomez for … never mind relating of the funny ineptitude of how Mr. Todd, which his characteristic blend of sneering condescension and absence of hockey nous, attempts to fault Gomez on a Buffalo goal from a scramble in a game that we won. Let’s bypass the low-hanging fruit and go to the lush branches.

    The great part is this line “If I were Jacques Martin, I’d….”  Ha ha!  Hee hee!  Ho ho! Wait, just wait a minute while I stop laughing on the floor (hahahaha!) If he were Jacques Martin, Reggie Houle would be Pierre Gauthier and we would once again have the worst coach-GM combination in league history and the Dark Ages would be back with us again, instead of the current hopeful era of reasonable hopefulness.

    If you were Jacques Martin, Mr. Todd? If, I, VancouverHab, were Queen Elizabeth…that is a more plausible hypothetical. But pardon me all: I have to go — this laughing fit is seriously hurting my sides.

  193. SLONCOLD says:

    Mr Todd is laughing more because you’re reading and talking about his article.

  194. mike g says:

    Max Lapierre is on the 2nd line….


    Darche and Pouliot have been 2 of our best, if not our best forwards for the past week. And instead of rewarding them, he throws a bone to Lapierre, who’s been probably our most invisible and innefective player for the past 2 weeks.

    Clap, clap….

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

    I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  195. avatar_58 says:

    They can’t, and shouldn’t, break the PHD line. It’s clicking. Instead focus on fixing the broken 2nd line. You should know by now Martin doesn’t reward ice time based on the line’s “number”. They play well, they get more time. So really – Gomez and Gionta do not a second line make.

  196. SeriousFan09 says:

    My Fearless Prediction to start today is true, people are flipping their **** over practice lines.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  197. habs365 says:

    Don’t you people realize….unless JM put’s Halpern on the wing with AK46 and Pleks and leave Cammalleri with Gomer and Gionta….there’s no one else left….he must have tried every forward he has with Gomer and Gionta and nothing works…Cammalleri is the only hope and I wouldn’t want to bet on that.

    the Rocket knows.

  198. habs hohum says:

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  199. andrewberkshire says:

    I really wonder why no one is talking about how Brent Johnson and Mathieu Garon are off to similar or better starts than Jaro Halak? Maybe its because they’re both 2nd tier to 3rd tier goalies and it proves that a hot start doesn’t make Halak look like Patrick Roy? It’s amazing how quickly the same people who always withhold judgement on the Habs when they’re playing well, are ready to hand a player on another team the vezina after just 10 starts.

  200. TripleX says:

    How do you know that?  How much could he want as no one else has signed him and a quarter of the season is gone?

    I have no idea if he can get the G&G line going but doesn’t PG have to do something?  This team has looked pretty bad the last few games and only Price has saved them from total embarrassment.



    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  201. Bugs says:

    Dealing in beads now, are we?

    Just because you YELL it over and over, Haho, doesn’t make it less goofy.

    If we sign Guerin, we become Mickey Mouse.

    I’m gonne give Gauthier SOME credit in that regard, thank you.

    Spuriously furious, I swear as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Minority Owner of the Habbalicious Bubble-Gum Emporium, Proprietor of the Flanneltop Pop Shop, and Beaming Tenant in Mama’s Basement, i.e., Habsbros Central:

  202. shiram says:

    14 games times 4 is 56… so no, a quarter of the season is not gone, more like one fifth, or one sixth?

    And as we have under 800k in cap right now, i dont see him signing for that.

  203. ZepFan2 says:

    Yup, the more times you type it, the better chance it’ll happen.


    “Young people have seen that a team can play electrifying, fascinating hockey while still behaving like gentlemen.”

    ~Serge Savard~

  204. SLONCOLD says:

    well we have 0.676 Cap Space

    so if you want some call ups here or there we actually have to shed some salary not bring more in.

  205. SeriousFan09 says:

    Old man, well out of his prime and no other ‘genius GM’ will take him.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  206. K-hab25 says:

    Are you kidding me? We’re talking about the messiah!! His holiness!! The one!! He who is beyond reproach!! The only true saviour!! Where you been the last 2 years Andrew?

  207. avatar_58 says:

    Don’t forget Thomas, he’s been rock solid.

  208. habs365 says:

    Sather calls gainey his best buddy….what a move….taking gomez off his hands…and not only that….he’s tearing up the league….3 points in 14 games wowooooooo….I bet there’s GM’s all around the league waiting to make a deal….the junior canadians wouldn’t take him.

    the Rocket said so.

  209. Mikey_39 says:

    Why does everyone have to constantly downplay Halak’s play.  He’s proving he deserves to be a starter in the NHL.  He’s been amazing, not only based on his numbers but on his play as well.  I’m so happy he’s proving all the haters wrong, who were saying he had a fluke season in MTL.  Truth is he’s always had solid numbers and good work ethic to match it.

    I still wouldn’t say we made a mistake keeping Price.  I think PG couldn’t have made a wrong decision.  Halak or Price, the team would get a solid young goalie.  We should have gotten more for Halak though.  I think Eller is going to be a solid second line center but he needs more time (and a coach that can help him get there).  But how sweet would our team be if we got a top 6 forward for Halak?


  210. RJB says:

    From the twitter of Bob Mckenzie: Habs put Dustin Boyd on Waivers

    “I don’t know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.”
    – Bilbo Baggins

  211. matraque says:

    Halak is an excellent goalie… People should just quick the “one hit wonder” crap.


    Canadien en 5!

    Never go Full Retard

  212. SLONCOLD says:

    he’s playing lights out. what’s your deal?

  213. TripleX says:

    Call me a cynic but moving Laps to the Gomez line does not fill me with confidence that the team will miraculously improve.  The problems and weaknesses on this team won’t be solved by shuffling the bottom six players around.



    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  214. avatar_58 says:

    Calling someone else up maybe? Or has Darche cemented his spot? No sense having Boyd or Pyatt sitting doing nothing right?

  215. mike g says:

    Just saw that….

    OB should have been the guy.


    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

     I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  216. Mark C says:

    Montreal has a max roster with 23 players, if a player is signed someone will have to be removed from the NHL roster, which would add at least $500K in cap space.

  217. matraque says:

    That is what really bugs me…  I think PG under estimated Halak and St-Louis took advantage of it.


    Canadien en 5!

    Never go Full Retard

  218. SLONCOLD says:

    thomas was in a similar situation as price last year. while not playing poorly the other guy in his case rask played out of his mind. now you have thomas bouncing back after rehabing his hip and he looks great too. good situation for boston.

  219. ZepFan2 says:

    “as no one else has signed him”

    You mean we aren’t the only one’s that’s passed on him?!


    “Young people have seen that a team can play electrifying, fascinating hockey while still behaving like gentlemen.”

    ~Serge Savard~

  220. TripleX says:

    We would have lost O’Byrne on recall as opposed to Boyd who only PG thought was worth signing.


    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  221. SLONCOLD says:

    well someone was just moved. so you’re right.

  222. K-hab25 says:

    What’s yours? He’s just pointing out the facts. You guys aren’t having orgasms over the other guys play, but over Halak, you’re having spuge parade. He’s just wondering why, which is his right.

  223. habs hohum says:

    he’ll play more the minimum of $500,000.

    habs have $800,000.

    can you think of anyone else who consistently scores 20+ goals/year for 20 years??

    there is nobody else.

    and now the genius put Boyd on waivers. why did he sign him?

    time to FIRE GAUTHIER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Molson: have some balls and get rid of PG, who is destroying this franchise and making them a joke in the league!

  224. lenny says:

    Missing Person

    Overpaid center with great capacity to turn over pucks in opponents zone, last seen during 2009-2010 playoffs

    If found please return to Molson Center


  225. Corio says:

    Dustin Boyd on waivers!

  226. Timo says:

    Hahaha!!! Why? I though he was great. And Eller’s been great. But none was greater than Gomez.

  227. BJ says:

    We have a top six in Pouliot. Gomez is playing like 3-4 th liner right now. So put Gomez on waivers and bring up Desharnais and give him a chance. I’m sure that playing with Gionta and Pouliot he’ll pick up his share of points. As for Gomez he only seems to produce after Christmas.

  228. jimmy shaker says:

    Don’t like it…but I guess we have 7 guys that can take on the 3rd and 4th line duties.  1 guy sitting everygame no matter what.  There is the roster spot for MAB to come in now.  Let’s go MAB.


  229. SLONCOLD says:

    i’m not surprised by the play of thomas. Johnson has surprised me but you have to understand that fluery is struggling. also i have been talking and mentioning those players in previous posts.

    unlike andrew i’m not going to take away halak’s good start because a few other goalies are playing well.


  230. Hobie Hansen says:

    Cool, put Spacek and Gomez on waivers just for the heck of it too. Maybe one of the GMs will be drinking spiced rum straight from the bottle and pick one of them up?  

  231. TripleX says:

    I don’t know, maybe because he took the team to the ECF last season? 


    Just a guess.


    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  232. MathMan says:

    Interesting. Boyd has not been good at all, so that’s not entirely surprising. It’d put a darker cast on the Sergei Kostitsyn giveaway except Boyd was actually signed as a UFA.

    What’s more intriguing is what this is a prelude to. A call-up most likely. Pacioretty, Desharnais, White? They certainly aren’t going to go on with no extra forwards.

  233. K-hab25 says:

    I think he decided in NOV, when your hero demanded to be the man or to be traded, that his a** was gone. The playoff run just meant he’d get a 1st (Eller) and a 3rd (Shcultz) for him, instead of just a 3rd. Maybe you over estimate his worth?

  234. MathMan says:

    If the Habs are desperate enough to sign MAB, then they’re in big trouble.

  235. Hobie Hansen says:

    MAB? Have you been drinking Spiced Rum straight from the bottle again too? he’s the worst defenseman in the history of the Canadiens LOL…

  236. TripleX says:

    Yes, St. Louis fans are crying over the deal.  LOL



    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  237. ManApart says:

    Well there goes another asset for nothing in SK74. Gauthier is really making a habit of this, with Moore for 2nd round pick and Halak for Eller, Shultz. not that Eller is nothing, but comparitively to what we gave away, well….0 goals-1 assist for HART trophy play, So far I think it’s fair to say Gauthier got nothing in return.

  238. K-hab25 says:

    You don’t have to take away anything from Halak, but you don’t have to over do it either. That’s all I’m saying. The guys had a great stretch of 10 games, yay Halak, but that’s it. You don’t win cups in OCT and NOV.

  239. The Cat says:

    Simple. Because Halak was here last year and not the other guys.


    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  240. K-hab25 says:

    To no suprise, you missed my point.

  241. ManApart says:

    MAB was only -7 while playing big minutes last season, because of defensive injuries. What he did for the PP, more than made up for that. 12 minutes a game and his PP presence, which is needed more than I can tell you, would definately be a good move. Or you’ld rather keep getting shutout by the Colunbuses of the world?

  242. matraque says:

    Dude, stop.  LOL


    Canadien en 5!
    Never go Full Retard

  243. TripleX says:

    I wish i had all those comments from the usual crowd about what a great deal PG made when it all went down.  PG is a clone of BG but actually worse. 



    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  244. ctony says:

    Ask Pittsburgh if they would trade Johnson for Eller (or similar).  Not a chance.  

  245. Propwash says:

    Sergei ain’t exactly tearing it up in Nashville. No huge loss.


    Goalies in Montreal have two roles, netminder and scapegoat. 

  246. K-hab25 says:

    So 10 games is a fair assessment period. One guy is just starting his prime and the other two are 20 and 21 respectively and you feel 10 games is a fair assessment period. Wow!!

  247. K-hab25 says:

    So was Dags, where’s your praise for him. Where is your fair and balanced view, that Conklin has been every bit as good and that maybe the team he’s on is playing pretty damn good. No, just like the playoffs, it’s all the F’ing messiah and has nothing to do with the other 18 guys. Very intelligent and objective way of judging a goalies play.

  248. Hobie Hansen says:

    Getting rid of SK74 for nothing would have been fine with me. I’m not too concerned about Boyd not turning out. Don’t think SK74 is doing much and even if he was; it’s fairly easy to sign a one dimensional, soft, 15-20 goal scoring, European forward during the summer. Moore doesn’t matter either cuz we have Halpern and the only thing about the Halak trade is that we should have got Perron, Backes or Boyes instead of Eller.

  249. lenny says:

    Not sure why people are laughing at the idea of bringing back MAB. He had tremendous value. The only problem was our moron coach misplayed him. He is a perfect Power Play specialist. He is a perfect 7th D-man and should have been used sparingly 5 on 5…Based on the HABS Power Play year to date, I say we made a huge mistake getting rid of him….

    When are the Molson going to wake up and get rig of PG and JM…wow do I wih we had boucher and Yzerman running things

  250. TripleX says:

    My brain?


    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  251. Richard B says:

    I continue to be mystified by JM’s line up decisions?

              Gill and Soubie-do? No Picard or OB? – may I suggest giving the dinosaur Spach a night off. Plz let Soubie play with Hammer and let’s get OB back in the line up!!!

              Eller an’t good enough to try a game with Gomez and Gionta?…but in Jacques infinite wisdom he tries a night with AK46 moved to the GG line and sticks Eller on the one line that was working?  (i.e. Plecks & Cammy)? Hummm- y not try Eller with GG first, before breaking up the only line that was producing. Now we got two lines not producing.

              NEWS FLASH 19 – 22 year old guys will make mistakes. Deal with it! The habs an’t getting any better with Eller, OB, Picard, Max Pac, Weber all scratched or in the AHL.

              Only thing positive I’ve seen lately is the PHD line. And I pretty sure JM stumbled into that by accident.

              OH, one more! AK46 has played well with Plecks for what? 4, 5 years? He had a slump (last season) and now is starting to show signs of life and Jacques moves AK46 away from Plecks? Nice reward!

    Richard B

  252. lenny says:

    thats cause the great JM did not use him correctly. He should have only gotten Power Play minutes, tkaen a few shifts 5/5 and thats it….he wwas a perfect 7th d-man. He was sick on the powerplay and yes we could use him

  253. SLONCOLD says:

    so price hasn’t had a good stretch?  i’m super stoked about that price has been playing very well too. but you don’t hear me saying wait on price becauase other goalies in the league are playing well.

  254. SeriousFan09 says:

    Now Halak is a Hart Trophy-quality goaltender? You accuse us of being delusional about the Hab’s chances and you’re ready to declare Halak worthy of a trophy that Roy never won.

    Sergei wasn’t worth a bucket of spit and if dumping his sorry butt in Nashville means we have a useful Andrei K than that’s fine by me.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  255. RJB says:

    Of the Boyd thing? Bob McKenzie is reporting it on his twitter, as is Kypreos

    “I don’t know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.”
    – Bilbo Baggins

  256. krob1000 says:

    I think Halpern and Boyd were signed with hopes of one of them panning out … did…not the one I would have expected though.  Boyd needed to play with more spunk to be effective… he did for a handful of preseason games.  Oh well….Halpern is working out just fine.  This is very un Habs like though to take this kind of action this quickly…so one can’t help but wonder if there is more in the works?

  257. TripleX says:

    I get your point dude, you bring it up a million times.  Your point is pure speculation.  Until PG says he traded Halak because he was pissed off and NOT for logical hockey reasons, then it remains your imaginary reason for what occured.


    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  258. ManApart says:

    By Halak becoming the man, it saved Gauthier pathetic head. Gauthier didn’t appreciate it, so now he will go down. Don’t embarrass us by suggesting Eller and Shultz is any kind of return for Halak.

  259. Say Ash says:

    I’ll take Roy’s Conn Smythes over that Theodore trophy any time.

  260. Storm Man says:

    Who is the team that you’re the GM of? Do you play a sport?

  261. Mark C says:

    Can we please stop this Moore for a 2nd round nonsense? Buffalo traded a 2nd round pick for Moore the year before Montreal did, no one was complaining that Buffalo made a bad trade at the time.

  262. TripleX says:

    Nine games played 2 goals and 1 assist.  Not great, but then again he is no 8 million dollar man so give him a break.  :)


    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  263. TripleX says:

    Neither question was relevant to the subject or even sensical.  Hardly surprised.


    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

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  265. andrewberkshire says:

    He’s absolutely playing lights out, where did I deny that? He’s an excellent goalie, I love the way Halak plays, but he isn’t a sure fire hall of famer like many sad sack posters here like to think.

  266. Jordio-oh says:



    ok then. BS speculation it is.

  267. andrewberkshire says:

    I didn’t take away anything, I’m just saying that extrapolating a good start in one season doesn’t mean Halak is going to be a hall of famer, or even win the vezina. Learn to read.

  268. K-hab25 says:

    Well I’m the guy with the Price avatar and I haven’t said half as much about him this year, as a group of 10 or 15 guys have about some other teams goalie. I don’t give a rats a** about he played here last year, he doesn’t play here anymore, thus I could care less about the guy and even less about his team. Then again some of us are Habs fans, not Halak/Price fans.

  269. andrewberkshire says:

    Where did I say “one hit wonder”?

  270. Hagar says:

    Honestly, Halak’s agent pulled out his retarded wins stat and ignited a goalie war. Halak said nothing, pretending it was independently masterminded by his renegade agent, who was overly concerned with Halak’s playing time and mysteriously unconcerned with creating locker room friction with his employer’s teammate. That was a dick move. Then there was that “Play me or trade me” incident. By golly, how am I supposed to cheer for a guy that doesn’t want to play for my team if he doesn’t get his way right away. Then Halak got what he wanted – he played and helped himself earn his way to a starters role in the NHL…for the Blues. None of what happened before he was traded really bothered too much. When he left though, he got all melodramatic saying something to the effect of, “all I wanted was the opportunity to play.” SHUT UP HALAK!!!! You did play, and now you get to play some more for the Blues. Shut yer yap. I haven’t been able stomach him since. Halak fans are insufferable as well and need to be brought back down earth.

  271. Habscat says:

    I think that we should leave the PHD and the Plekanec lines alone. Here is what I would try:







  272. TripleX says:

    Tend to agree with that assessment.  MAB was valuable as a specialist not as a 20 minute plus per game player.  He was put in a position to FAIL.  But that seems to be JM’s coaching style.

    Everyone could see MAB was over matched playing as a regular D, everyone except JM.

    Imagine what a valuable big physical D, O’Byrne could be this season if JM had played him instead of MAB against Philly in the playoffs?


    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  273. Habscat says:

    I would bring him back on 1 condition. That being that he played the wing on the 4th line and NEVER saw 5 seconds of action on the blueline even strength. The NHL is all special teams right now. Having a great PP probably gives us another 10-12 points when all is said and done this season.

  274. ManApart says:

    It’s very early, but who wins the Hart as of today. The little Slovak, that’s who. I’m pretty sure, you were building Sergei up as a great young prospect at one point in time, as you do with everyone and then call them garbage and useless the minute they leave. With SK it’s not about him, it’s the pattern of terrible asset management by this current regime.

  275. Hobie Hansen says:

    He was -7 with Halak standing on his head! He could have been – 20 in that short period of time if Halak was human. Plus he barely played even strength. Markov and Subban are plenty of firepower for the Habs on the PP. No need to have a midget trying to stop the Flyers or Bruins, even for a couple minutes even strength a night.   

  276. Bugs says:

    – First of all, PK’s SPINORAMA is the “Soobie-do”; it’s not his nickname. His nickname is “Soobie”. Ok? That’s first of all. Secondly, you don’t sit a veteran who’s paid his dues in the NHL AFTER he’s played a GOOD game, you sit him after he’s played a BAD one. And I say this while also WANTING O’B to return myself. SpaceCadet stays.

    – Eller doesn’t belong on this team. There, I said it. He’s not ready. He should go back to the AHL. Wasting time up here. That time is precious. He doesn’t belong. Not an AHLer. Maybe one day but certainly not now. Let’s pull our heads out of the sand, shall we?

    – Picard is an NHLer. Borderline maybe, but an NHLer nonetheless. I’d give a chance to Webber cuz he’s on absolute fire but the others have been less than convincing in their next-step-taking-process and don’t NEED to be brought up at all. In my opinion, your list doesn’t inspire confidence. You shoulda said Dezzy. Woulda backed you on that one.

    – Curious, the PHD line has a player picked just ahead of our Franchise in the draft. I say again: if we gave the Kid the tools to succeed, we should do the same for the kid picked ahead of’m. My opinion again; not the Truth from the Throne.

    – Yeah, AK “showed signs of life”, great, that was what, 4,5,6 games ago? What has he done for us lately? C’mon. What’s the problem with Jack Marty experimenting with mojo afore the first 20 games of the season to get some other guys goin?

    Spuriously furious, I swear as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Minority Owner of the Habbalicious Bubble-Gum Emporium, Proprietor of the Flanneltop Pop Shop, and Beaming Tenant in Mama’s Basement, i.e., Habsbros Central:

  277. Storm Man says:

    I guess you like living in a imaginary world. Im not surprised. 

  278. Psycho29 says:

    Hmmm….the Habs are 8-5-1….

    Imagine if they were 5-8-1? This site would have imploded……



  279. habs hohum says:

    give habs 10 days and look at their record. they will be under 500.

  280. shiram says:

    Habs Hohum indeed.

  281. K-hab25 says:

    No “dude” you don’t get my point. He got a 1st and 3rd for a back up goalie who played really well for 3 months. He had less than 100 career starts, yet his fetish fan club acts like he was a god that should’ve gotten a Roy’esqe return. That is unrealistic and plain STUPID to expect, that’s my point “dude”!!

  282. Storm Man says:

    I guess when you pass high school math you will would know he makes 7.3 million. I guess you need to develop some more.

  283. Richard B says:


    I love how u stuck Gomez on the 4th line.


    Let the 8 million dollar man play 7 minutes per game.

    82 games * 7 minutes = 574 minutes.

    That would be about 9.5 hours of work…not bad for 8 mil.

    Richard B

  284. SLONCOLD says:

    “Maybe its because they’re both 2nd tier to 3rd tier goalies and it
    proves that a hot start doesn’t make Halak look like Patrick Roy?”

    anyways it doesn’t really matter.

  285. SeriousFan09 says:

    Sergei had more than enough chances, even Lapierre after severely disappointing him after his great 08-09 season stepped in the playoffs but Sergei at the end couldn’t even bother to stay in practice along with the other scratches. I like his talent, the same way I like all skill players in the NHL but in the end, he was a massive distraction to Andrei and didn’t offer anything when the team really needed help.

    Really on the Hart? I would say Steven Stamkos would argue that since without his scoring, TBL would have about no wins, while Ty Conklin just proved in his two starts that the STL defence is doing a lot to give the goaltending some help. Also, Tim Thomas is pretty much Halak’s equal on the stats sheet as well.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  286. BJ says:

    I agree. MAB creates space when he shoots. He was a huge asset and an important element in allowing us to squeak into the playoffs. Where would we be in the standings with say 5-6 more power play goals to our credit this year. You build a team by using players assets and qualities, not by trying to change their styles. I’m concerned at how Subban seems to be not as free wheeling as he was at the start of the season. Is this another subliminal message from the coach to try and alter a style? I hope not. I think our incompetent management has failed long enough at talent evaluation and development.

  287. Bugs says:

    You had me up until Halpern but gave you the benefit of the doubt and read on.

    Completely screwed the pooch with Eller on 3rd and Gomie on 4th though. Whatever reasoning you have to justify playing a non-producing non-factor of an AHLer ahead of a Stanley Cup-winning veteran who whilst EVEN in a horrid slump, has three times the AHLer’s points is undefendable, I’m afraid.

    I reject your proposed alignment, sir.

    Spuriously furious, I swear as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Minority Owner of the Habbalicious Bubble-Gum Emporium, Proprietor of the Flanneltop Pop Shop, and Beaming Tenant in Mama’s Basement, i.e., Habsbros Central:

  288. ManApart says:

    What can you say about Price? He’s been solid and is doing the job. do you see what the man is doing in St Louis? it’s even blowing me away and I’m a big believer in the guy. Don’t compare the two. One has been solid, the other has been ridiculous.

  289. matraque says:

    Halak was amazing for us last season.  He’s amazing at the moment for the Blues.

    I’m sorry that he was not your favorite, but Halak was a fans favorite and a playoffs hero.

    What we got for him is a joke…


    Canadien en 5!

    Never go Full Retard

  290. Storm Man says:

    You can’t reason with Trxxx as he lives in a imaginary world.

  291. SeriousFan09 says:

    I prefer Subbanorama, Soobie-doo just sounds like a child’s toy.

    Andrei K is still showing something and considering his best work with was Plekanec and he got bumped off of it after two while Gio-Gomez took 13 games to get split up, it’s kind of twisted. You should give the guy a bit more rope than that considering he and Pleks together were basically the scoring at one point.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  292. TripleX says:

    You mean like your imaginary job?  Mr. Wallstreet?

    Look braniac, you only reply to my posts to make juvenile and asinine comments, not to intelligently further the thread.  So do everyone a favour and just ignore them.  Believe me I try to ignore you.

    I’m sorry if I hurt your little feelings a while back, but you brought in on yourself.  Get over it and quit following me around HIO. 

    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  293. samTHEman says:

    Martin, Why in HELL would you break the first line? The only PRODUCTIVE line …..besides the recent surge of PhD line.

    No brainer, these should be the lines.


    AK – Plek – Cammi

    Eller – Gomez – Gionta

    Pouliot – Halpern – Darche

    Lapierre – Pyatt – Moen




    AK – Plek – Eller

    Cammi – Gomez – Gionta

    same 3rd

    same 4th


    Why on earth would you seperate AK from Plek. They have established chemistry.


  294. matraque says:

    No… You are just an angry dude.  Price is doing well.  Relax.


    Canadien en 5!

    Never go Full Retard

  295. NightRyder says:

    I see Ty Conklin has a 0.96 GAA and a .960 save percentage behind the Blues’ defence.

    Does this make Halak’s start any less impressive? Are the Blues for real?

  296. matraque says:

    You don’t have to say it… LOL

    A lot of people here think that way and are now pissed because well… he’s not a “one hit wonder”.

    Be honest.  We got NOTHING for Halak.


    Canadien en 5!

    Never go Full Retard

  297. Habscat says:

    So we play the $8 Mil guy play on the first line, play 17-21 minutes and we all b@@ch and complain that JM can’t coach and only plays washed up vets? I thought that is what I meant when I said  “Here is what I would try”. I will never be the coach, but guess what, none of us will, it was my imagination. I despise JM, but he is trying the line combinations, and so was I.

    As for Eller/Gomez, you could flip them, but I think that G & G may be better served on different lines. Gionta is at least in the play, while Gomez seems perfectly content as long as he gets to try carrying the puck from his own face-off spot twice a game. The other 2 lines are and were producing, so I would keep them together.


  298. andrewberkshire says:

    And that point is true. Hot start, great as it is, doesn’t make him a ***ing hero. Brent Johnson and Mathieu Garon are playing just as well as Halak, if not better. If people would admit that a hot start doesn’t mean jack ***, no one would be harping on Halak.

  299. fbkj says:

    2nd on soobie-doo, unless your a fan of inciting douchechills in whoever hears it muttered

  300. K-hab25 says:

    You do a fine job of embarrassing yourselves, you sure in the hell don’t need me for that. I’m not the one that thinks a 1st and a 3rd for a 7th round goalie, with less than 100 career starts is a horrible return. I leave that to the Halak worshippers, they’ve cornered the market on embarrassing themselves. No room for sanity in that bunch of mixed nuts.

  301. Jordio-oh says:

    Everyone knows Gomez is playing poorly. So just because Kostitsyn is playing better than Gomez does not mean Kostitsyn is playing well.

    Do we have to point out the fallacy’s in every one of your comments on here?

  302. jimmy shaker says:

    Nope no rum…….just ice cold bevies for me.  And it’s too early for me to have a bevy.  I like to have one in the evening after the kids are in bed.  Anyhow, I remember when Brisebois sucked pretty good and Popovic, Quintal (at least he would fight though), Dufresne, Fogerty, Racine, Ramage.  I think MAB might be in that list but definitely not topping it!


  303. andrewberkshire says:

    So you’d rather put words in my mouth than actually respond to what I wrote.

    As for getting nothing for Halak, Steven Stamkos had 4 points in his first 17 games, 14 in his first 40. Players take time to adjust. Eller is very likely a bigger, stronger Plekanec. At Eller’s age Plekanec had 46 points in 77 AHL games. Eller had 57 in 70 a year younger in the AHL.

  304. ManApart says:

    The guy was -7 for the year. That means when Price was playing as well as Halak. He played a lot of even strength. There were so many defensive injuries he had no choice. Play him as he should and you have a very valuable and cheap option for your PP. Which by the way is anything but fine with Subban and Markov. If you haven’t noticed the Habs are dead last in PP%. And on a offensively challenged team that is not a good thing.

  305. Hobie Hansen says:

    I’m not picking on you ManApart but you’re defending MAB and SK74!!! Besides a tiny bit of offensive touch they both STINK!!! Stop making a fool of yourself please…

  306. samTHEman says:

    Yeah I’m for bringing back MAB. But the management have to make a decision on D.

    2 extra bodies in Picard and O’Byrne. I’m for trading Spacek but who in their right mind would take his contract? Granted there are a few insane GM’s out there, no need to name them.


    They’ve made a decision by waiving Boyd. Maybe White is going to be called up? Max Pac? (lol).

  307. K-hab25 says:

    They’re holding him back. They just handed the job to the anointed one, when Conklin has clearly been superior. :-)

  308. HFX-HabFan says:

    Subban’s nickname is P.K., not “Soobie”.  He’s not a cartoon character.  He goes by P.K. instead of Pernell; that’s his nickname.

    If Eller doesn’t belong on this team, and he’s not an AHLer either, where exactly do you think he should be playing?  Back in the Elitserien?

  309. TripleX says:

    Bald Auld has a GAA of 1.00.  JM should really play him over Price.  :)


    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  310. ManApart says:

    The whole world can see for themselves. You trying to compare return as draft pick rounds is the last refute of desperation to try to salvage any kind of dignity in supporting a move that is looking so one sided, it’s scary.

  311. Jordio-oh says:

    Its too early to tell.

  312. Hobie Hansen says:

    Briesbois looked like Scott Stevens compaired to MAB!!! I’d take any of those guys u mentioned before MAB.  

  313. samTHEman says:

    The only problem I have with Subban playing with Hamrlik is that it’s his last year with the club and you would want to play him with a D-man who will be here next year to establish chemistry now. Then again, the only D that are expected to come back next season (Markov and Gorges) aren’t signed yet. Who knows, PG might ship them out for a 2nd round pick come summer time. Loooool j/k.


    Markov – Gorges

    Subban – Picard

    Hamrlik – O’Byrne


    Trade/Waive/Buy-out Spacek’s contract


  314. HFX-HabFan says:

    I wanted to figure out what source claimed that Gauthier was the only one interested in Boyd.

  315. Bugs says:

    See, that’s just it: Jack wasn’t “punishing” AK; he was trying to “help” Gomie and Gio.

    What I propose is to BRING BACK Poolio, but this time with CLEAR indications to OWN the puck. Don’t pass it. Don’t think. Take the puck, bring it to the net, and score. He’s good at that. He’s very, very good. Don’t be nice to Gomie and Gio; play YOUR game. Tonight, Gomie and Gio are playing for YOU; they’re going to give YOU the puck.

    I think that would work. No matter the knocks management may have against him and which I’m unaware of, at the very least, I refuse to believe they don’t see his extraordinary talent. 

    And uhhh, I’m not talkin “Lars Eller”-talent, ok? I’m talkin REAL talent.

    Hell, new sign-off: If we gave the Kid the tools to succeed, we should do as much for the kid picked ahead of’m.

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Minority Owner of the Habbalicious Bubble-Gum Emporium, Proprietor of the Flanneltop Pop Shop, and Beaming Tenant in Mama’s Basement, i.e., Habsbros Central:

  316. Mark C says:

    But this isn’t true, MAB rarely got over 20 minutes per game. Out of his 60 regular season games in Montreal MAB had over 20 minutes 8 times, 3 of these games went to OT. MAB only had one game over 21 minutes, and he averaged less than 12 minutes of ES per game. The only regular Habs to average less ES ice time were Max and Metro, even “the coach doesn’t like me” Max-Pac averaged more ES time than MAB did.

    I agree, that a player like MAB can be used as a specialist, but you can’t expect them to be sharp on the PP, while getting next to no ES ice time.  

    And I don’t get your last line, you state that MAB was valuable, yet O’Byrne should have played in his place against Philly?

  317. TripleX says:

    Do you understand humour?  Chill dude, not everything has to be life and death.  Jeez!


    ps it is fallacies

    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  318. Jordio-oh says:

    Halak is playing very well. The players in front of him who are allowing the least amount of shots on goal in the league also is not hurting the cause.

  319. ManApart says:

    Who says he’s not an AHLer? That’s exactly where he should be. Playing on the top 2 lines in the Hammer playing 20 mins a game. It would benefit him greatly.

  320. Hagar says:

    Amazing? A playoff hero for taking us to the conference finals? He was good and not amazing. 24 cups and our heroes now take us to the conference finals. Halak fans lower the bar severely for their idol. Insufferable.

  321. Storm Man says:

    LMAO….. Sorry you think you’re little imaginary life you lead makes you something. I guess I should layoff and not make you cry and run to your mommy anymore. Wallstreet is in New York City, I see you don’t get out much. Triple go back to school and be a good little waterboy and try not having anymore wet dreams watching Harry Potter films. Triple I suggest getting a life, They’re quite exhilarating. 

  322. Bugs says:

    Uhhh, no, Effie, it’s not his nickname; it’s his NAME. The one he answers to. If you call him “Pernell Karl”, he’ll say “Don’t call me ‘Pernell Karl”; call me PK cuz that’s my name.”

    Not his nickname. Please study up on differences.

    As for Eller, from what I’ve seen so far, he IS an AHLer. So I don’t know how to answer your question. I think maybe you misinterpreted what I said? Or did I?

    Spuriously furious, I swear as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Minority Owner of the Habbalicious Bubble-Gum Emporium, Proprietor of the Flanneltop Pop Shop, and Beaming Tenant in Mama’s Basement, i.e., Habsbros Central:

  323. samTHEman says:

    I disagree. Eller is NHL ready. He’s NOT being used properly. You can thank Martin for that. It’s just like Pacioretty was taying to Marinaro. One moment he’s on the 1st line with Plekanec and Cammalleri and the next he’s on the 4th, then he’s SCRATCHED.

    Do you expect a player to develop in 8 minutes?


    AK isn’t playing bad. Get off his case. What do you mean what has he done for us lately? He’s being shuffled in Martin’s experiment, similar to Carbo might I add. He’s put with struggling Gomez and Gionta. He almost scored on multiple occasions, especially on that cross-ice pass from Gionta. Elliot made a good save. Give credit where credit is due.


    Put AK back with Plekanec and Cammalleri and I guarantee you he will produce.

    FINALLY try Eller with Gomez and Gionta. Why hasn’t Martin not tried this yet? What are you going to lose? You’ve tried every other winger anyways. Eller has the size, speed and hands to play with them.

  324. samTHEman says:

    I disagree. Eller is NHL ready. He’s NOT being used properly. You can thank Martin for that. It’s just like Pacioretty was taying to Marinaro. One moment he’s on the 1st line with Plekanec and Cammalleri and the next he’s on the 4th, then he’s SCRATCHED.

    Do you expect a player to develop in 8 minutes?


    AK isn’t playing bad. Get off his case. What do you mean what has he done for us lately? He’s being shuffled in Martin’s experiment, similar to Carbo might I add. He’s put with struggling Gomez and Gionta. He almost scored on multiple occasions, especially on that cross-ice pass from Gionta. Elliot made a good save. Give credit where credit is due.


    Put AK back with Plekanec and Cammalleri and I guarantee you he will produce.

    FINALLY try Eller with Gomez and Gionta. Why hasn’t Martin not tried this yet? What are you going to lose? You’ve tried every other winger anyways. Eller has the size, speed and hands to play with them.

  325. K-hab25 says:

    You can’t ask a man to stop doing the only thing he knows how to do.

  326. TripleX says:

    What was MAB’s plus minus by the time the Philly series started?  It was ridiculous.  MAB was physically over matched against Philly and O’Byrne who was a PLUS player was a better match.

    As for the TOI, I was thinking more of the playoffs especially after Markov was injured.


    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  327. matraque says:

    Eller should be in Hamilton right now…  And he’s no Stamkos.  Will never be.


    Canadien en 5!

    Never go Full Retard

  328. says:

    I watch all the Blues games.  They have a young core of defensmen that are the envy of the league.  Great for them, but I really don”t care.  It’s still hard hockey to watch.

    They Call Me Shane

  329. says:

    One of the best weekends I’ve ever had.  The people were so much fun.  The night life, and the city is just amazing.

    Thanks for everything Ian, I think next year I will stay 5 days, lol.

    Hey Chuck, Go Chuck yourself 😉

    I can’t wait to meet the real HardHabbits :)

    Dave you’re awesome.

    JasonM is a hoot

    Julie and Jill Rock, say hi to your dad for me

    Robert Too Tall (seriousfan), nice meeting you

    Yukon Pete, Lets Do Lunch and I dare you to jump the glass on Tuesday night.

    Peter and K8, it was a real pleasure

    and to Jim, Phillip, Gabriell, Sherrri, Tim, Tommy B, SmartDog, thanks for hanging out with me, it was great time.

    To all that I have missed.  I remember everything yet nothing at all.  It was a Blast and I can’t wait to go again.

    ” What’s wrong with that guy, oh that’s Shane from Brandon, he hasn’t stopped smiling since he landed”

    “You’re not HardHabbits, Hard Habbits is seven feet tall, and four feet wide”

    “what do you mean you don’t have coors on tap?  Well then send me two beers and one big glass”

    “free food, no _______ way”  Section 218

    Fella-“excuse me sir you have to leave now”  Shane- “Really , well you
    better go grab those three guys cause I’m not leaving….well ok” 
    -Closed Hurley’s


    They Call Me Shane

  330. Richard B says:

    I’m Richard B, and I approve this message

    Richard B

  331. ManApart says:

    You do know that saying a team has allowed the least amount of shots, when one team has played 12 games and several have played 14,15 and even 17 is not saying a lot. Check the shots per game and report back. Also you do know shots per game might explain GAA, but save% is a stat that makes shots per game irrelevant. It’s about the % of shots stopped, nomatter how many one gets.

  332. samTHEman says:

    Good point. It’s just like the case of Osgood’s inflated stats behind the Wings stellar defence a few years back.

  333. Bugs says:

    More Eller propping…yay. NOW he’ll do something other than one nice pass within a SEA of being-totally-outclassed-and-outplayed-in-every-single-aspect-of-the-game that comprises the rest of the time he spends on the ice, boy. Watch out for Eller now.


    Eller 4th until he SHOWS something. Anything. But free candy just because he’s the return on Halak? No, no, no, I wanna win. Eller doesn’t belong. 4th or AHL.

    That’s it.

    Spuriously furious, I swear as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Minority Owner of the Habbalicious Bubble-Gum Emporium, Proprietor of the Flanneltop Pop Shop, and Beaming Tenant in Mama’s Basement, i.e., Habsbros Central:

  334. Richard B says:

    Sorry, I wasn’t complaining about your lines. I thought they were to the point.

    But I’m sure we all realize that the GG line has to at least be our second scoring line or we can kiss the playoff good bye right now.

    The PHD line might only score 3 or 4 more goals during the rest of the season.

    Richard B

  335. jimmy shaker says:



  336. TripleX says:

    Give it up dude.  You can’t reason with the Halak haters and PG apologists.  They will come up with any possible reason to downplay the talents of Halak and the bad trade.

    We win the arguments on the basis of the facts and the opinions of the hockey experts.  It is all pointless for now, as we will know who won the trade after the season.


    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  337. Hobie Hansen says:

    I like your idea on Spacek but I think you still have to keep Gill in the lineup and hope he regains his defensive touch from a season ago.  

  338. SLONCOLD says:

    right….. price’s season start means nothing either then.

  339. andrewberkshire says:

    As usual, you miss the point. It’s like talking to a wall.

  340. andrewberkshire says:

    Maybe you should check to see if you’re actually right about something before trying to correct someone. It takes 5 seconds to check

  341. ManApart says:

    When did i defend SK? I was talking about bad asset management. Maybe that concept is over your head. As for MAB, I’ll dumb it down for you. Habby no many goals. No many goals make winning hard. PP big part of goal scoring. Habby kaka on PP. Habby lose too many low score games. MAB yum yum on PP. Better PP, more goals, more wins! MAB play low mins on D or 4th line, Habby better. Better Habby, everybody happy. Got it son?

  342. Jordio-oh says:

    do you realize i did the math and  calculated that St Louis ON AVERAGE allows the least amount of shots per game?

    So actually, when one team has played only 12 games and still allowed comparably less shots than the teams who have played 15 games, it does say alot.

    Yes, I do recognize the correlation between GAA and shots and how save % is different entirely.

    Did you notice the part where i said Halak has played great so far, or did you just ignore that and go right for the throat because you thought your boy in Blue was being attacked?

  343. Bugs says:

    Eller isn’t ready. That’s it.

    Who cares what Pacioretty says? He couldn’t score. Can’t finish. Crying that he didn’t get his chance. Maybe your friend Marinaro can explain that there 22 otther guys on the team who want their chance too. And if he doesn’t like it, he can quit, cuz all those other 22 guys went through the same thing.

    Never said anything about AK playing bad. You have me confused with someone else.

    Because Eller ISN’T READY, Sammy. In fact, he’s USELESS. Useless, Sammy! C’mon. If we tell Desharnais right now, “Hey listen, kid, you can come up and play but we’ll only give you 8 minutes and if you’re uselss, we’ll put you in the pressbox next.”, you think he’ll say no???


    If Eller had something to show, he woulda shown it.

    Conclusion: 4th line or AHL.

    Spuriously furious, I swear as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Minority Owner of the Habbalicious Bubble-Gum Emporium, Proprietor of the Flanneltop Pop Shop, and Beaming Tenant in Mama’s Basement, i.e., Habsbros Central:

  344. Jordio-oh says:

    Where have i ever written that i hated Halak? If you read what i wrote, i said he was playing great because he is. I simply added some additional “facts” to the conversations. I’m sorry if you were offended, dude-bro.

  345. ManApart says:

    Thumbs up on the imaginary job reference. The guy has almost never made any kind of insightful comment on hockey as long as I’ve seen him. He’s definately not smart enough to be some independent stockbroker guy. He’s pathetic for making it up lol.

  346. Mark C says:

    So O’Byrne being plus 1 is enough justification for him to play over MAB in the Philly series? Seems like a pretty weak argument to me. Montreal’s PP and offensive from the D stunk at that point, and I agree MAB was overmatched, but I believe MAB had to be in the line-up against Philly, because beside Subban he was the only Montreal D that could bring some offensive. MAB was only minus 2 against Philly, to use the plus minus argument for O’Byrne doesn’t hold much water as MAB’s plus minus wasn’t that bad vs. Philly.

    FYI, MAB only had two 20 minute game post Markov injury. Both games MAB had less than 20 minutes of ES. 


  347. Storm Man says:

    This coming from a bum like you???? You need to turn the oxygen back on. the only thing more pathetic is someone like you coming on here day after telling the rest of us how right you are on you’re assessment of how the hockey world is run. I find you funny for the most part and very sad in the rest of my assessment of who you are in life. The lady the other day in your cab had it right when she said home James. 

  348. Everlasting1 says:

    There are a lot of sour grapes going around, or is that milk?


    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  349. K-hab25 says:

    What facts are those little guy? The fact you both put Halak on a pedestal he doesn’t belong on. Very few goalies in this league would get more than a 1st and a 3rd, let alone a 25 year old who had never, EVER been a #1 for a whole season in the AHL, let alone the NHL.We get you guys have a crush on him, to each his own I say, but don’t twisy your inflated view of Halak into being “fact.” Also you both show your biased and uneducated view point, by claiming they clearly won the trade. Eller is 21 and Schultz is 20, not 25 like Halak. It will take much longer than 10 games or even a full season to make that claim. Funny you and your pathetic Gauthier bashing, Halak groupie buddies claim we got fleeced in the Gomez deal, yet we have 2 NHL roster players, they have zero. Yet you’ll point out the cap and future development of Mcdonaugh and Valentenko, but cap space and Eller and Schultzs’ development aren’t in your little Halak trade assessment. No, just your favorite player/hero was traded for nothing. Maybe you guys are the delusional ones.

  350. wotever says:

    Check your post, bugz, I think you meant to write “Not an NHLer” but you wrote “He doesn’t belong. Not an AHLer.

    Aside:  Eller rhymes/a homophone to AHLer.  

    (Also NHLer, but AH-Ler could be pronunciation guide to Eller).

    It’s just a game.

  351. Storm Man says:

    Math is something that goes way above James and how he thinks.

  352. ManApart says:

    My apologies, the way you stated that the Blues have allowed the least shots, it sounded like in total rather than on average. i didn’t know the stats, that’s why I said get back to us.  And really, it’s impossible to say Halak isn’t playing great. You are one who has been objective about him all along, so understand you are not trying to find something, anything to try to counter what he has done.

  353. Habscat says:

    I agree with you that they have to be at least a top 2 line for us to have success, but right now Gomez doesn’t seem to be involved in the play at all, and its going (and has) to start holding a scorer like Gionta back. Add to that, IMO, Gionta is wearing the C with the weight of an anchor attached to it. I think he was a great choice, but the pressure has to be building. He needs someone to be as involved in the play as he is. Gomez seems to take half-shifts off on a regular basis.

    The PHD line was written second on my list because it was one of the 2 lines that I felt should not be broken up. They are more suited to be a third line, again IMO.

    The Eller line would be my #2 right now, until Gomez started getting involved. He would also still PK and PP so he would still be getting at least 12-14 minutes. When he EARNED more, than I would move him up. Heck, he isnt even winning faceoffs of late. If you dont score, get assists, hit, fight, or win faceoffs, you have to be on the 4th line at best. I know he has it in him, he just needs a kick in the pants by the coach.


    I know that many willm say that Eller hasn’t earned it yet, but hey, at least this would be giving him a legit chance. Give him 5 games of 15-17 minutes and see what he does. Sitting in the pressbox isn’t getting anything out of him.



  354. Bugs says:

    Aaaah, indeed.

    Yes. Meant to say NHLer.


    Spuriously furious, I swear as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Minority Owner of the Habbalicious Bubble-Gum Emporium, Proprietor of the Flanneltop Pop Shop, and Beaming Tenant in Mama’s Basement, i.e., Habsbros Central:

  355. ManApart says:

    Sorry we all can’t be independent stockbrokers like you. Oh ya, that’s a made up story. Nix that.

  356. Hobie Hansen says:

    I wouldn’t give the bum a mop job and either would any other GM in the NHL. Markov and Subban will come around on the PP. He looks ridiculous on the 4th line and even worse as a 5th or 6th D.

  357. Storm Man says:

    More speculation again James, Keep making a fool of yourself on here. The story of your life.

  358. fbkj says:

    i dunno you tell us

    are you suggesting that those who are comfortable with the halak trade are expressing that they miss him?

    and this is somehow sour grapes… or milk?


  359. TripleX says:

    Removing Gomez’s salary allowed Sather to sign Gaborik who had 42 goals and 86 pts. last season.  Yes he is injured again, but who wouldn’t take Gabby over Gomer?

    It is the unreasonable cap hit and how it does not allow Montreal to improve that is the pertinent point.


    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  360. ManApart says:

    I know. it’s a waste of time. I try to stay away from it, but it’s just so easy and kinda fun sometimes.  It’s funny how everyone in the world sees things as they are except this little bubbleworld consisting of around 15 or so HIO guys. Even guys I work with who don’t follow hockey that much, they automatically, without question say, well of course we got fleeced in the Halak deal, or of course trading for Gomez was a bad move, or ya montreal is too small and one dimesional. These are very casual observers. Then you have basically every long time hockey journalist in the city saying some of the same things. It’s just the concensus if not a fact. Then you have the delusional 15 on here, who say everybody is wrong, all the journalists know nothing, all the casual fans are stupid. Only them and PG know what really is going on. Ask any other NHL team’s fans and you’ll usually get the truth (except leaf fans, they’re too biased). But of course they’re all crazy too according to the 15. If you take a step back, it really is crazy.

  361. TripleX says:

    The validity of your arguement would seem to be refuted by the fact that Montreal kept O’Byrne and not MAB.  Would it not be equally valid for this season?


    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  362. HFX-HabFan says:

    Read his birth certificate and get back to me on what his given names are, and then what he goes by (his nickname).

  363. ManApart says:

    Exactly right. Sather was a monumental idiot for giving out that contract, but Gainey was even dumber for seeing how negatively it was turning out for the Rangers and then STILL taking it on. Dubinsky is way better than Gomez was as NY top center and Gaborik is 10x the gamebreaker Gomez is. I actually like the man Gomez is. Seems like a great guy, made of the right stuff, right attitude. He just isn’t that good and his salary kills the team. Maybe if he wasn’t here we could have kept both goalies and traded one down the road when their value was higher or when one absolutely proved he was better than the other. We could have kept Moore in the mix as well as signing Halpern. We could have picked up a big top 2 line winger. So many things that would have been a lot better than being stuck with Gomez. It was a very irresponsible and short sighted move by Gainey and I maintain it is his worst decision as GM.

  364. Mark C says:

    No, what are you talking about? MAB was a UFA, who was only signed in the first place because Markov was injured. O’Byrne is a fairly young RFA who was re-signed as a depth defenseman. A lot has changed from a year ago when MAB was signed, mainly Subban taking over a spot on the D. Is MAB even healthy enough to play, yet?

    MAB got his job with Montreal, and playing time based on the need of an offensive defenseman, and a shooter on the PP (this might still be a need). These needs have been greatly reduced with Markov and Subban in the line-up, which was not the case last year when MAB was signed, the situation has greatly changed.  


  365. ManApart says:

    Well, what can I tell you? Guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree then. It probably won’t happen anyways, so I guess you’ll be happy then. Just don’t complain when the Habs can’t score and continue to lose 3-2 and 3-1 games.

  366. SeriousFan09 says:

    Gaborik has 3 seasons where he has played 75+ games in his first 9 NHL seasons, he has a seperated shoulder at present and is probably the most fragile skilled player in the NHL. His career will likely be shortened like Bure’s or Forsberg’s and frankly I’d be surprised if he has 2 full seasons out of 5 with the Rangers.

    Magnificent player when healthy, but the problem is that health is a giant question mark.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  367. Psycho29 says:

    Nice try Tony (or is it Trollny?)

  368. Everlasting1 says:

    You must be on the sour patch kids..or is that w(h)ine gums? 😛


    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  369. fbkj says:

    where have i whined?

    ps: you suck at funny

  370. punkster says:

    Shane, it was a pleasure to meet you. The pic I have of the Price Bulldog uni is…well…priceless! Looking forward to next year already.

  371. Hammer says:

    After watching JM play musical chairs with Gionta and the other guy, I believe that the whole team is starting to suffer because of the focus by JM on getting these two guys going. Why sacrifice two other lines to get these guys going. Give more ice time to PHD and Pleks line and when and if Gionta and Gomez get going up their ice time. The other worry is that their “D” is old and not as quick as they used to be. Spacek and Hamrlik look like they are skating in quick sand, Markov is a month away fom playing shape and Gill ( never too speedy) looks slower this year. They better retool quickly. My fear is that they will sign Markov to a Gomez  like contract and he will continue to be injury prone. It is a minor miracle that they are where they are in the standings. Hopefully they have been playing down to their competition. This week is the litimus test.

  372. Bugs says:

    Look at you, Effie. Look at what you’re arguing.

    Honestly? Is this what you’re coming with?

    PK is SHORT for Pernell Karl. It’s his NAME, and NOT a nickname.

    Why am I getting involved with this anyway?

    I’m out.

    Effie, grow up.

    Spuriously furious, I swear as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Minority Owner of the Habbalicious Bubble-Gum Emporium, Proprietor of the Flanneltop Pop Shop, and Beaming Tenant in Mama’s Basement, i.e., Habsbros Central:

  373. LA Loyalist says:

    Serious, you and some of the guys will know this – what happens with cap when an expensive player (or any for that matter) is long term injured i.e. Gaborik, Streit, etc.  Does it free up any space?

    Not that I’m suggesting anything bad happen to Nomez….

  374. Number31 says:

    People need to be reminded who the Habs got in return for Patrick Roy before claiming the Jaro-Eller/Schultz trade was bad.

  375. SeriousFan09 says:

    I’ve been thinking that since close to the start of the season, he’s broadcasting it to the whole world and it’s really unnecessary especially from some of the places he fires from, he has a solid wrist shot that hit the back of the net in the AHL last season more than once, it’s almost like he’s trying to be MAB sometimes at the point and forgetting he should just shoot like PK.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  376. andrewberkshire says:

    Steven Stamkos had 4 points in his first 17 games, and just 14 points in his first 40. Eller is taking time to adjust, it’s normal.

  377. Hobie Hansen says:

    You’re right about that. He’s worth $2.5 million, kinda like Gomez.

  378. Bugs says:


    That one connected.

    Spuriously furious, I swear as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Minority Owner of the Habbalicious Bubble-Gum Emporium, Proprietor of the Flanneltop Pop Shop, and Beaming Tenant in Mama’s Basement, i.e., Habsbros Central:

  379. Bugs says:

    Cards aren’t that great against the run and the Vikes have Adrian Peterson. End of story far as I was concerned.

    As for Favre, nothing surprises me outta him at this point. He may well throw 5 interceptions next game and I still wouldn’t be surprised.

    Add to that the fact that the Vikes would want to prove they didn’t need Moss to win and voilà.

    Spuriously furious, I swear as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Minority Owner of the Habbalicious Bubble-Gum Emporium, Proprietor of the Flanneltop Pop Shop, and Beaming Tenant in Mama’s Basement, i.e., Habsbros Central:

  380. Bugs says:

    Cross next weekend’s bridge when I get there.

    But answer me this, Brewster: did YOU call the Dogs against the Pats???

    Cuz that was pure madness, imo.

    Spuriously furious, I swear as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Minority Owner of the Habbalicious Bubble-Gum Emporium, Proprietor of the Flanneltop Pop Shop, and Beaming Tenant in Mama’s Basement, i.e., Habsbros Central:

  381. punkster says:

    Hell no. I’m crazy but I ain’t MAD!!!

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