Big one tonight

Washington is at the Bell Centre, for the first time since that game they don’t like to talk about.

Bell Centre to get new boards, glass

Wiz yearns for old-time hockey

Positive signs on concussions

Arpon Basu’s playoff check-up

Caps begin long trip

Crosby calls for ban on head hits

 

325 Comments

  1. Miltie01 says:

    Game is different because of the format….you are not in the middle of an 82 game schedule, you cannot afford to lose a game making plays like Chara.

     

    There is more than enough passing and skating in the NHL. I see nothing from the big ice surface that shows me it is a more skilled game.

  2. ed lopaz says:

    skating farther should give the “target” more time to move.

    the game is completely different during the olympics and world championships – and european hockey.

    it is much more of a skating and passing game.

    Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

  3. ed lopaz says:

    I agree about the financial issue – 100% you are right – it would cost tons of money.

    but this is a HUGE industry with some deep pockets.

    If the owners believed the game would be better, and I do, then it would be in their interests.

    I like the international ice much better.

    But that’s me, not the guys with the money.

    I’m not sold on the “more open ice means more open ice head shots”.

    Again, we need to change the rules – to hurt the teams who hire the players getting suspended.

    If you do that, and open the space, you will have more open ice.

    If i put 2 players on an ice surface the size of a football field, and there is no consequence to their actions, then yes,

    I totally agree with you, they will still target their heads.

     

    Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

  4. Miltie01 says:

    Let’s be honest with ourselves here…..these folks are mad as hell, but Boudreau is right, they only protest because a Hab was the victim. Had it been a Bruins player those folks would not be out there. Some might mutter shame, shame under their breath, but they would not make an audible sound over it. That reflects bad no matter how you slice it. They want revenge not change.

  5. Bugs says:

    What? You sayin I’m outta the loop???

    Ok…LESS padding then.

    Boom. My idea.

  6. HabinBurlington says:

    “Don’t come. If you don’t like it, don’t come to the games! Players realize they could get hurt, they don’t want to do it, but unless you’ve played and seen what goes on at the speed of the game, you’re not going to be able to argue with it.

    “And listen, I don’t want to get into any controversy, but if that was Hal Gill that hit David Krejci I don’t think there would be a protest tonight.”

    It is more of the same HardLiner stance.  Our game is physical, people get hurt, etc.. etc..

    That is what pisses me off about his statement.  Like someone else said, once he loses Ovechkin (i don’t want this to happen) for a season from a concussion, he will play a complete different song.  But he loves to protest over the Stamkos/Downie diving.  So diving bad, hits to head good.  Got it Bruce!

  7. ed lopaz says:

    I agree.

    The players are too big for today’s ice surface.

    They must go to the international ice.

    Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

  8. twocents says:

    Your idea ain’t exactly yours, everyone, including my brother, knows that spot needs more padding.

     

  9. ed lopaz says:

    that’s why the commissioner makes 7.5 million per year.

    Phoenix should be resolved.

    Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

  10. ed lopaz says:

    another part of the idea which I didn’t mention is to take the suspensions away from the NHL head office.

    an objective 3rd party could be engaged to rule on suspensions.

    someone (or group) that was not so closely tied to the owners themselves.

    and for sure, no one with a son playing for one of the teams.

    Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

  11. Propwash says:

    I wonder how many headshots were given when the NHL played with no helmets?

    Then again, players had respect for eachother, and not the almighty dollar.

  12. HabinBurlington says:

    Check out Bruce Boudreau’s view of the rally set for Montreal tonight.  What a complete baffoon.

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=358110

     

  13. ed lopaz says:

    absolutely agree Ian on both points.

    I would go 1 step further.

    As pointed out on RDS last night.

    Fine the team – and take the money off the salary cap available for the next season – for each suspension their players receive.

    As francois Gagnon pointed out, if Matt Cooke will cost the pens 1 or 1.5 million against the cap in suspension fines,

    the maybe teams would think twice before giving matt cooke a contract.

    if the GM’s become concerned that it will hurt their ability to work with the Cap, they will not sign or trade for players

    that are more likely to get suspensions.

    I think this idea could be very useful to calm down certain coaches and players.

    The adjustment in the equipement could be done in a few months.

    Any major supplier could change the elbow pads and shoulder pads from 1 season to the next – they do it all the time.

    If the NFL can bring in AUTOMATIC head shot rules – the NHL should do it immediately.

    Any hit to the head- like a stick to the face- is an automatic penalty, game misconduct, and possible suspension and fine.

    The shots to the head would come down immediately.

    Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

  14. HabinBurlington says:

    The fact the league was willing to suspend Ovechkin and not Chara really does make one realize the absolute power Jacobs has in this league.

    Ovechkin is the face of Hockey (granted a very ugly one) w/Crosby, not Chara.

  15. Fansincebirth says:

    More than st00pid Punkster.

    This type of thinking is outdated…”we’ve always done it like that, why change?”.

    Incidental contact of two guys fighting for posession or position happens and sometimes bad things result.

    Chara’s hit, Crosby’s (2nd) head shot, Booth, Savard etc were not incidental, they were targeted hits and should be punishable to the Max (pun intended) to serve as notice that this type of play will no longer be acceptable. Until they deal with this seriously, it will continue.

    I told a guy in another column that ‘the hit’ would be the point where the fans, players, league and others say ‘enough is enough’ and he scoffed at me saying it was the Crosby hit…..I beg to differ.

    Welcome to the new NHL – NASCAR on Ice

  16. Miltie01 says:

    Goalie pads were the same they got bigger to afford protection, which was great, but then they kept on getting bigger, not for protection, but to aid in stopping pucks. They have made changes to help remedy this, why not with this issue.

  17. HalifaxHabs says:

    Careful not post them here… if Cherry is cruising our chat boards and sees them, he’ll steal them and show his drawings of them on Coaches Corner.

  18. Bugs says:

    Ok, fine, sorry.

    But either/or, I don’t think it would work. I mentioned this a few days ago: you hit that thing the way the Pac-Man woulda hit it, and your neck gets lodged and twisted up the slant while your body keeps going underneath.

    I think there are as many conditions for injury, only of a different kind. In fact, I think human physiology vs kinetics IS rocket-science.

    I suggested triple the padding. Or quadruple. Quintuple…sextuple…you get the idea.

  19. Chuck says:

    I’d copyright that idea if I were you.  😉

    Actually, I have a few design ideas of my own. Perhaps I should draw them up…

  20. Chuck says:

    Fighting HAS to be addressed in all of this. If you can toss a guy out of the game for delivering a headshot to a guy by ramming his head into a stanchion, then why is delivering a headshot to a guy by ramming your fist into his face punishable by a 5-minute rest in the penalty box?

    Fighting should be a 5-minute major, misconduct, and automatic ejection from the game. And to prevent late-game goonery, fighting in the 3rd period/overtime would get you an additional 1-game suspension.

     

  21. pmaraw says:

    hey, im not reponsible for following every hit in the nhl.  if i were a fan of his team, i would be just as upset.  as it stands i follow the habs, thus when a foul occurs i get upset, in this case its on a much larger scale.

  22. Danno says:

     

     

    Take a look at Chara’s arms…

    http://mgoisman.sportsblognet.com/files/2011/03/031111_Pacioretty.jpg

     

    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  23. DearyLeary says:

    To date?  69.  

  24. 1010 says:

    Every time I see footage of Lucic getting away with another cross check to the head or sucker punch I wonder how long this guy will be allowed to get away with it. I’m just waiting for the day someone does some damage to this guy and I hope the league turns a blind eye like they have for Lucic. Somehow though, I doubt that will be the case.

     

    GO HABS…

  25. Miltie01 says:

    None of the players as a whole could skate like they do today. 

    I would also submit that there was alot of scoring because the coaching and goaltending was much different back then.

  26. SmartDog says:

    In other words, the LARGEST portion of player concussions are from league-sanctioned, a-okay, family-friendly, Gary-Bettman approved hits.  Nice!  I hope MY son gets to play in your NHL Gary!  You’re doing a great job looking after this problem!  What a peach you are!  Maybe someone should run YOUR HEAD into the nice glass and see what that’s like. You want to make more money for the league?  I’d pay 20 bucks to see just that, and I bet millions of others would too.  

    Dumbass.

     

  27. Lafrich says:

    Right the f on! What % are from “bent rule legal hits”?

  28. adam76 says:

    There will be about 40 hipsters or so – TSN will put it on the air and make fun of us.

  29. DearyLeary says:

    Do you honestly think that plot holes concern ninja assassins?

    Saw the movie in theatres when it came out, all I remember is yelling “that’s awesome!” about every 20 minutes or so.

  30. Miltie01 says:

    The rules are not murky, it is the people applying them that are the trouble here.

    Every referee calls it different, from game to game, and anymore from shift to shift. You add in the extra official on the ice and it makes it even more difficult for the players to understand what will be called and what won’t.

    Back in the day this was not a big issue. The reffs missed calls, they are human. But the players could look at who was calling the game, knew what he was likely to call, and knew that he would consistantly call the game that way. They knew before the game even started what they could get away with, and what they couldn’t. This was no where near the issue back then.

     

    The worst part of the whole thing is the consistancy of supplimental discipline from the league’s head office….there is none.

  31. Danno says:

    That’s a good one!

     

    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  32. 1010 says:

    Point taken but I wasn’t referring to the habs getting beat up. I’m talking about a cheap shot artist who some for reason is treated like a demi- god by the media and the league.

     

    GO HABS…

  33. Miltie01 says:

    It is half in jest but I have said before if you want the players to play safely make them play next season in pads from the 40’s……..it wouldn’t take long.

  34. TheDagger says:

    I hope no one. It’s embarassing as a Habs fan.

  35. HardHabits says:

    As much as the hit on Pacioretty was an awful incident it is proving to be the catalyst to restore sanity to the NHL version of the game of hockey. It’s funny how many people say they laugh at us Habs fans. It’s more jealousy. They all say where were you when Crosby got hit, or Savard, or Bergeron, etc. Well, we’re here now and we’re not going away. The incident was the last straw for Habs fans. If there wasn’t all the recent spate of concussions I doubt we’d be as up in arms as we are, but with the body of evidence before the Chara hit on Pacioretty, the camel’s brack is now broken.

    Players like Matt Cooke and Mike Richards, Milan Lucic most recently for his cross-check on Dominic Moore, have to be held accountable for their actions.

     

  36. CBrady12 says:

    You guys know that Pacioretty isn’t the first guy to get hit into the stanchion right? How come it’s been okay for every other guy whos been knocked into it but when it happends to our guy the world is coming to an end?

  37. ClaytonM says:

    A Bruins fan was using that “what about Matt Cooke?” argument when discussing the Pacioretty injury, but had no reply when I told them Cooke and players like him shouldn’t even be in the NHL. Plus, the Steckel hit on Crosby at the winter classic was argued by many people to be an intentional targeting of the head.

    When they actually have a dialogue with Habs fans about the issues, they’re surprised to find out we’re rational people. It’s a case of certain media personalities with ties to Boston (Milbury, Cherry, NESN) who paint us as whiners.

     

    Ken Dryden For NHL Commissioner

  38. Chuck says:

    Held accountable? It’s the arena’s fault!

  39. SLONCOLD says:

    held accountable for what? an “unfortunate hockey play”?  lol i think not.

  40. Hobie Hansen says:

    The only thing one could argue about your statement is that Chara stalked him around the ice. Slashing him, charging into scrums and trying to pummel him, for 5 periods of hockey leading up to the head smash. It’s hard to prove, but it totally obvious.

    Maybe he didn’t break a rule, but he definitely knew what he was doing and tried to hurt another player purposely….unfortunately it’s a grey area and the NHL allows it. It’s not different than the Wiz trying to level Grabovski game after game I guess….

  41. pmaraw says:

    well, simply because most players get checked into it, not have their face rammed into it

  42. ClaytonM says:

    Saw it released on DVD, thought it was another cornball action flick like The Expendables. Caught it on TMN, very entertaining.

    Ken Dryden For NHL Commissioner

  43. CBrady12 says:

    Hypocrisy at its finest

     

  44. Danno says:

    Yet another measuring-stick game for the Habs. How many have they had this year?

     

    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  45. pmaraw says:

    its like chara, if you dont get him a suspension, he cant become a repeat offender

  46. ClaytonM says:

    Not to sound like a PC douche, but I think a look at the news headlines the last few days shows a contrast between an incident that pisses off Montreal hockey fans, and a disaster that should get a little more attention and put things in perspective. We lost a great young player for the season, his future is in doubt, but really, is that a life changing event?

    Ken Dryden For NHL Commissioner

  47. Trenton_Romulox says:

    There are multiple reasons why the hit on Pacioretty is a bigger deal:

    1. This is the most important part of it for me, Chara committed an illegal hit. He interfered with Pacioretty and it’s arguable that he also aimed for his head. If you commit an illegal hit, the offending player should be fully responsible for any damage(s) he caused. 

    2. There was history between the two players, and there is evidence to show that Chara meant to shove Pacioretty headfirst into the stanchion. 

    3. Pacioretty’s neck was fractured. That’s a very serious injury. And when an initial hit isn’t clean, the resulting injury is completely relevant. 

  48. Danno says:

    But Chara did break a rule. Pacioretty was not in possession of the puck. It was about 40 feet away when he got slammed.

     

    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  49. pmaraw says:

    ya, hes shoving the face into the stanchion.

  50. CBrady12 says:

    lol ok fine…find whatever excuse you want but again…it happends to Smyth, who cares? but our guy? Throw Chara out of the league!!

  51. Hobie Hansen says:

    that is true, like I said there are some grey areas for sure….too many to list.

  52. CBrady12 says:

    Watch this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjb9Xy2UnWc and tell me Johnson didn’t know what he was going… He wasn’t suspended for that play…Therefore precedent holds that Chara shouldn’t be either…It sucks I know

  53. pmaraw says:

    i dont see where theres a hand shoving his face in there, a shoulder maybe, but that looks like a blindside hit to the head to me as well


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Your basic measuring-stick game, against arguably the best team in the NHL.

And don’t argue you too much, because it’s the Flyers.

They’ll smack you.

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• Philippe Cantin on Geoff Molson

• Kevin van Steendelaar on the Rocket and Bobby Clarke

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Bruins lose but top TSN Power Rankings (Canadiens are 12th

Another concussion for Marc Savard

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Some reading as we count down to the game in Philadelphia

Price shares the laurels – Dave Stubbs

• Red Fisher on the W over Toronto

• Red on Guy Lafleur

Keep your head up, P.K.: Ottawa Citizen’s Wayne Scanlan

• François Gagnon on P.K. facing the Flyers and Bruce Dowbiggin on Subban

Réjean Tremblay on Pat Burns

NHLPA’s player of the week (won’t spoil the surprise)

Corey Perry’s 200-foot own-goal

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