# Bergevin, Meehan to talk P.K.

Canadiens general manager Marc Bergevin and P.K. Subban’s agent, Don Meehan, will talk this week about a new contract for the defenceman.
Meehan says no teams have contacted him about an offer sheet for P.K.
Whew!

Subban was underpaid at $875,000 last season, the final year of his entry-level contract. Capgeek calculates the Canadiens are$6.3 million under the cap – if you include Scott Gomez.

One encouraging indicator: Meehan represents Raphael Diaz, who avoided arbitration by signing a sensible two-year $2.45 million contract with the Canadiens. Stu Hackel and James Mirtle on NHL finances ## 290 Comments 1. logical 46 says: If someone gave an offer sheet (for PK) it is my understanding they would have to give the Canadiens 4 first round draft picks. He’s not worth that, so there is absolutely no need to worry. PK is like a third defenseman. What the Habs really need is a big good guy to move people from in front of Price. Until they get that sort of defenseman it’s the same old, same old. If there is a season, they will finish between 10th and 14th place. 2. HABZ24 says: Pk is a must sign ya hes a lil excited at times but he will deff be an elite dman. Getter done habs brass 3. --Habs-- says: Everyone talking about Gionta being injury prone! Why? Is Crosby injury prone? Crap happens over the length of a career. If everyone can stay somewhat health including Markov I think the Habs have a nucleus to make the playoffs. I think Gomez is going to Nashville. Why? Nashville needs to make up 15 million to meet the minimum cap with their recent losses and they won’t pick that up on any corner. What UFA’s will want to sign with them now that they’ve more or less imploded. Gomez does 2 things for nashville! Takes up 7.5 million in cap and only costs Nashville 5.5 million this year to fill up space. With a little luck maybe Gomez can re-ignite himself under a great coach who seems to get the best out of his players……. Go HABS Go • nunacanadien says: Crosby scores more often and actually fights back, what does Gionta do? Hmmm…..stable pony for Scott Gomez. So we got two mighty smurfs who can’t score, can’t hit, can’t rush the net like Crosby does. When was the last time we actually saw Gionta around the net, or Scott Gomez? 4. Bripro says: A creak. The door opens. He enters the room. The seats are empty and the lights are down. “Hello?” … no one answers, but the echo of his voice. “Sunday afternoon, and I’m the only one with no life! Let’s have some hockey already! And here’s hoping that little tyrant doesn’t lock anyone out.” He turns and exits, the curvature of discouragement in his shoulders. ….heavy sigh….. click. 5. galchenyuk27 says: Go subban 6. 24 Cups says: Adam Scott showed as much class and dignity as any human being could during his unexpected meltdown. Even poor Ernie Els didn’t seem that excited that he had won the tournament by default. I wonder how Tiger would have handled either one of these roles today. 7. 24 Cups says: For those trashing Gionta and saying he is injury prone which means he should be traded. His past seven years have seen him play 82,62,82,81,61,82 and 31 games. Three significant injuries (groin/broken foot/torn bicep) in eight years is some cause for concern. However, he still has averaged roughly 29/28/56 over the course of his career. As for intangibles, the Habs thought enough of him to make him captain. Not to mention there’s a pretty bog drop off on the depth chart after Cole and Gionta on the RW. None of the guys listed can score like Gionta, even if his output tends to be a bit streaky. If healthy, I’d say he’s the least of our worries. • mksness says: i mentioned injuries in his last 3 seasons. i’m just saying it’s crazy to expect every player to have a career year every year and he’ll be healthy. smaller players tend to take a little more of a beating. i want people to be realistic with gionta and not expect the world from him • DMAN says: Smaller players like Eric Lindros? • mksness says: notice i didn’t say smaller player only get injured, i said they tend to take more of a beating. skating with you head down ( lindros) is another excellent way of getting hurt( not to mention that i think some of those hits on lindros would be 5-10 game suspensions now). anyways, he missed 80 games over the last 3 seasons, no denying that… • boing007 says: It doesn’t matter if some of the hits on Lindros would now be considered suspension-worthy. The reality is, they cut short his career. Richard R Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls. • commandant says: We need another winger who can put the puck in the net, not to trade away Gionta and end up with at best a lateral move in replacing him, or at worst being stuck with only 2 legit top 6 wingers. Go Habs Go! NHL Free Agency and Trade Analysis now. Team By Team Prospect Reports coming soon http://lastwordonsports.com/ • mksness says: given the current roster who do u play with gionta? assuming u can make a trade for another top6 winger, who do you get to play with him? or who would you want? • commandant says: Knowing what is available, Bobby Ryan is of course the dream. But he is expensive. Go Habs Go! NHL Free Agency and Trade Analysis now. Team By Team Prospect Reports coming soon http://lastwordonsports.com/ • 24 Cups says: mksness – My comment really wasn’t directed at you but rather how ever since Gionta’s injury some people have wanted to dump him. Even replace him with Gorges or Cole as captain. I find that laughable after the string of captains we went through years ago. Even to the point where we threw in our captain in the Roy deal. Talk about adding insult to injury (no pun intended). As for expectations, I’ll take 70 games with 24 goals and 22 assists. 55 points out of Cole will also be just fine. • mksness says: i’m good with that as well. i think the first 25 games this year will determine the real direction of the habs. if they’re really dogging it early maybe you’ll see a quick sell off of the assets( even the captain) and go strictly on youth. but if they hover around the 10th place mark they’ll keep everything the same. my view is this team is a 10-12th place team right now. however this is under the assumption price plays like he did last year( which wasn’t bad by any stretch but wasn’t great; and at 6.5m a year i’m hoping for a much better year) and the powerplay continues to stink. What really pisses me off was what was done in the off season by the habs. the whole thing we need to be tougher… fine, i get that but this team couldn’t score. balanced scoring and powerplay were the teams biggest shortfalls yet so may think this team will make the playoffs due to players being healthy and adding 2 3-4th line players. this team will remain a pretender until gomez, bourque and kaberle are dealth or moved. some smart dude described insanity this way: Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. that is were i feel the habs are today. • nunacanadien says: It is Gionta’s size that makes him injury prone, take half of the habs in fact, are injury prone more so than most NHL players. There is a reason why we sign the likes of Gomez and Gionta, because they are injury prone and no one wants them, but they are flashy when they want to be, which appeals to the corporate mentality of Montreal. Montreal the last bastion of the boss man who doesn’t want a winner for fear of having to go to a press conference, most of all to piss off his Toronto based investors. • ed lopaz says: acquiring a healthy Gionta and a healthy Markov are the 2 big moves Habs fans have been asking Bergevin to make this off season. thankfully, we get all that talent, experience and leadership up front and our #1 defenceman, without giving any thing in return. Gionta needs a big body on his line leading the forecheck so he is given some open time and space to score. Markov at 70% will still be extremely effective out there. • nunacanadien says: I’m done with Markov. He should be traded once he is healthy and shows some flash in the pan, before he goes back to being the lazy lacklustre defenseman who allows the other team to basically own the zone in front of Carey Price. Sign some real NHL players who actually believe in keeping the puck out of the net by defending the zone and the goalie! 8. frankcasting says: I think PK around$5M for 5 years would make sense, might seem like a lot to some, but if Karlsson is the standard for Norris these days, PK is just a hair away from that status.

I wouldn’t be shocked, however, if he signs an offer sheet with Nashville by Friday, once they have their 4 1st rounders in their hands. If I’m Nashville, I’m doin’ it, gotta save some face.

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• mksness says:

PK is not in the same league as karlsson… Karlsson is much better defensively and that first pass out of the zone made MR spezza look really good this year. PK is really good but i don’t think he’s anywhere close to winning a norris trophy

• DMAN says:

Karlsson is NOT better defensively than Subban.

• Kooch7800 says:

I wouldn’t say he was worse than PK either. PK in both seasons as a hab has had terrible first half’s of the season where he has single handed cost the team numerous games with defensive gaffs. He has also been playing way more minutes that he should be at this stage of his career due to Montreal’s injuries.

Pk’s potential to be a great D man is there and he has the skill set but he still needs to develop in a lot of areas in his game. Picking his spots for example really needs improving. People are talking like he is an elite D man already who should be up for the norris…not even close

• Mark C says:

I am in shock that someone could even think this, “much better” none the less. Shocking.

• Michael says:

PK is in Karlsson’s league,and if the numbers don’t show that now they will in a couple of seasons.As far as the first pass out of the zone when PK is thinking and not taking chances his first pass out of the zone is excellent,if there was a 80-90 point scorer on the team,his points would be up as well.And as far as Karlsson being “much better” than PK defensively…especially in the second half of the season where PK played excellent defensive hockey..I would have to say you probably have watched neither player as much as you should to make that conclusion,or you’re a leaf/bruin fan.

-Doc

• commandant says:

Karlsson had 78 points last season, thats more than double what PK put up.

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• Bun E. Laroque says:

Spezza might have had something to do with Karlsson’s point total.
Not to mention the markedly better coaching staff..

9. joeybarrie says:

So now that its closer. How much for PK Subban?
Doughty. 7 million
Green. 6 million
Johnson 4.3 million
Staal 3.9 million

I’m thinking a fair deal is in the 5 range for 5-6 years.

• Phil C says:

I think Johnson is the best comparible in that group. I think $5M is too high. • ed lopaz says: absolutely phil. I think around 4 million is very fair indeed. • mksness says: i think it’s gonna be interesting. if he signs a 5-6 year deal he’ll be getting the 5 mil. however i could see a 2 year deal in the 4mil range as well. • To me I haven’t seen PK do anyting that warrants a 5 million dollar contract. He still has to earn his way to that status. The Habs should give him their ruotine two year contract. 2-3 million per year. By that time they’ll know if this guy is the money maker or just another good NHL defenseman. He did a great job last season filling in as #1 pairing and I’m sure he learned a lot. But no way I would feed him a big dollar yet. He’s going to be big for us, you can see it. Another diamond inthe rough. They Call Me Shane “They never asked to be Canadiens, they were Chosen.” Shane Oliver Twitter @Sholi2000 http://www.Sholi2000.com Custom Sports Figures • mksness says: i didn’t think price earned 6.5m a season but hey he has it. if you’re going long term you have to kinda buy out those UFA years. short term u can get him for less but run the risk of way overpaying in a ufa year. Use the price contract as an example. sign him long term at 5m a season and hope he plays like 6-7 towards the end of the deal. seeing what guys get paid now might not be too far off the mark in a few years. • Michael says: agreed. -Doc 10. Ian Cobb says: Hi 2012 HIO Summiteers, This year we have the largest Summit group attending in 6 years. Some people are using their own game tickets, and will be attending Hurley’s Pub Friday evening at the meet and greet. Some will only arrive Sat. morning at the breakfast. All is well, but I do need a better count of those who are going to Hurley’s, so they can arrange staff and area for us. Please let me know numbers for Hurley’s, both Fri, and after the game Sat night. At the same time, you better give me numbers for The Baton Rouge pre game dinner, so I can get a better count for reservations please. Please let me know by e-mail or phone, so I do not miss seeing it. News, Pictures and comments https://www.facebook.com/pages/Montreal-Canadiens-We-Are-Fans-Summit/197390760316125 See ya all there! Ian 11. kempie says: Has anybody here seen Michelle Jenneke run the 100M hurdles? Maybe I’m late to this party but if this doesn’t get you up for the olympics nothing will. This woman is the first to win a gold in the 100M warmup. I’ll be pulling for her. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qhR0Ie64PI&feature=related • Phil C says: I don’t think she qualified this time, but we’ll be watching in four years. 12. HardHabits says: I propose the Habs should trade for Wisniewski… for Markov and Keberle straight up. Discuss!! 13. ed lopaz says: apparently Nashville is planning to match Philly’s offer for Weber. This is the 1st step in forcing Philly to up the ante and trade players instead of picks http://www.rds.ca/hockey/chroniques/344422.html • Habfan10912 says: Thanks Ed and thanks for your kind words the other day. Can the Flyers and Preds talk specifics before the 7 day period? ———————————– • Max_a_million says: Great a team that generates 25 million a year will be paying one player 27 million in 11 months. That’s good for hockey, excellent choice Nashville! • Agreed that this sort of thing isn’t good for hockey, but you can hardly blame Nashville. Would it be better for hockey if small-market teams acted as farm teams for the big boys and let their stars walk away without matching their RFA offers? • Michael says: Do you hear the words “NHL bailout” in the distance?…because Nashville is about to become the next Phoenix. -Doc • mksness says: WRONG!!!! there can be no trade now. it’s either 4 first rounders or match… the only trade you may be talking about is trading back the 4 1st round picks for a package but there is nothing forcing philly to trade • ed lopaz says: dude, how many exclamation points do you need? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSKn8RlD7Is fyi, yes, I was referring to the “only trade you may be talking about”. • RGM says: Four, apparently. ———————– GO HABS GO! Maybe 2012-13 will be our year! “Scott Gomez is an elite NHL player” – VancouverHab Chat with me on Twitter @TheRealRGM81 • mksness says: sorry lol 14. commandant says: 6 top level young RFAs. Is one of these guys the next offer sheet target (included PK Subban). http://lastwordonsports.com/2012/07/22/potential-nhl-offer-sheet-targets/ Go Habs Go! NHL Free Agency and Trade Analysis now. Team By Team Prospect Reports coming soon http://lastwordonsports.com/ • FishOutOfWater says: nice article. ur correct in saying that its unrealistic and weber’s situation is unique. but i believe the real issue here is the future use of this tactic. the new cba and nhl must address this moving forward. ie limiting term, front loading, bonuses, +35, etc. • commandant says: front loading and term will certainly be addressed. Maybe not as drastically as the NHL’s first proposal, but it is going to happen in some way. Which is the main reason i think Weber signed this offer sheet. Such a contract wouldn’t be available to him next year. Go Habs Go! NHL Free Agency and Trade Analysis now. Team By Team Prospect Reports coming soon http://lastwordonsports.com/ • FishOutOfWater says: oh ya its hard to say no to 75 million over 3 years and playing in philly • habfan01 says: BS from someone who doesn’t sh!t from shineola • jmsheehy19 says: If the Flyers get Weber, I think the fun will be in two year when Giroux, Couturier, and Schenn are RFA’s. Obviously they match any offer for Giroux, but that might leave the other two poachable. • commandant says: A new CBA will make it very difficult to do to the FLyers what they are doing here. Term limits will mean you won’t be able to play with the cap hit in quite the same way. They will also clear significant space in guys like Kimmo Timmonen. Go Habs Go! NHL Free Agency and Trade Analysis now. Team By Team Prospect Reports coming soon http://lastwordonsports.com/ 15. accp says: You can post all the facts you want. the bottom line we’ve been an average team for the past 19 years. the moves we’ve made thus far this year. making the playoffs is a maybe. the fans whom post here. I’m afraid it’s out of our hands. all we can do is sit back give Bergevin a chance with the young prospects we have in Hamilton, the next 5-years of drafting maybe a trade here or there and see where we are going. all the other teams are doing the same as we are doing. try to improve their team. which ever team does the best job will have a good chance of making the playoffs and as we witnessed this year. make the playoffs and anything can happen. which ever team plays the best in the playoffs will win the cup. being the best team in the league don’t prove anything. LA proved that point….. • Ian Cobb says: TEAM chemistry is one of the largest components of a winning hockey club! • HardHabits says: LA winning proved that it can happen. It would have to happen more than once for it to be a trend. At the moment since the Conference format it is the first time that a team outside the top 10 has won the Cup. In that span, every team has been top 5 except 3 that were top and of course now LA who were 13th. What LA proved beyond that is that a stacked young team can go all the way. It also showed that size and skill are a lethal combination. It also showed that Goaltending, although crucial, still can use some offensive power up front. I will invoke an astute observation that TomNickle made. LA had 95 points. 95 points has been the bare minimum in that span as well. So in conclusion, get 95 points in the regular season and anything can happen. 16. HardHabits says: Where’s our resident sufferer of post-PrimeTime Syndrome? HIO isn’t the same without his belligerent and sweeping attacks on the raison d’etre of this web site and its denizens. C’mon PT. Channel your inner wimp. We all need a good laugh to start off the day. • Chuck says: He was around for a bit yesterday, slagging some folks that probably know a whole lot more about hockey and the Canadiens than he does. ___________________________________________________ Being a Hab fan is like buying real estate: only over the long-haul will you appreciate the true value of your investment. • HardHabits says: Back before I even knew about HIO I used to visit Robert L’s blog (as well as Habsworld.net) judiciously. It was in my early days of searching out information about the Habs that wasn’t mainstream. I was tired of the same-old same-old that made the pages of the mainstream media and press. I wanted some insights that weren’t candy coated with platitudes and pleasantries. It’s not that I wanted the dirt but just something that actually challenged and had the ability to have a semblance of critical thinking. The blogosphere provides this perspective in abundance. Just because you read something on the Internet doesn’t make it true but the Internet is still a useful tool for research, so if you google deep enough, you’ll find a plethora of information and/or many an insightful commentary. Humans, even though we are capable of doing the stupidest of things, still show much sophistication by being able to write coherently and express ideas, whether in all seriousness or jest. Which comes down to the crux of the matter; respect. Respect is earned not given. It is harder to come by than it is to lose. In order to respect others one must first be able to respect oneself. I’ll leave my conclusion up to your own deductive reasoning. 17. Strummer says: From Steve Simmons Sunday Toronto Sun column: “… The Sarnia Sting produced the first and third picks in the NHL Draft in Nail Yakupov and Alex Galchenyuk yet all I’m hearing this summer is how just about everyone who plays for coach Jacques Beaulieu wants out of there. ” Does this mean AG will be driving hard to make the big club? Or at least demand a trade from the Sting? ____________________________________________________ __ “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong” 18. third generation haber says: A lot of good talk about how we can improve our team, but I honestly don’t think any of these ideas (free-agents, trades, call-ups, buy-outs) are going to help us win the cup. When the old contracts have run their course in 2 years (Gomez, Gionta, Markov) many of our prospects will be entering the NHL as full-timers and our current youngsters (Pacs, Eller, DD, Emellin, Subban, Price) will be entering their prime. I’m okay with any moves we make this year that don’t involve trading our key prospects (Galchenyuk, Collberg, Beaulieu, Tinordi, Ellis, Leblanc, Bournival, Gallagher, and Bozon). I definitely think that cup runs, under the cap system, depend on having a large enough group of quality players who haven’t commanded UFA dollars yet. I’m confident Timmins can architect a cup winning team so long as no G.M.s trade away his gems (McDonnaugh for Gomez…. someone shoot me!). j.p. murray 19. SmartDog says: >Canadiens general manager Marc Bergevin and P.K. Subban’s >agent, Don Meehan, will talk this week about a new contract for >the defenceman. Huh? You mean they weren’t talking before? ————————————- Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop! • FishOutOfWater says: they have. im sure both parties know what they want and have informed each of other of such. its just a matter of coming to an agreement. pk is gonna sign, it will be around 4 mill. and not longer than 4 years. i know there’s absolutely nothing to talk about but its gonna happen eventually and that’s all anybody knows • SmartDog says: Yah, I know. I’m just tryin to stir up sh-t. ————————————- Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop! • FishOutOfWater says: haha its so baron these days. but i got one for ya. if pk signs for 3.5 right. that gives us round 3 mil to offer semin at a 1 year deal. do you do it? i dont think u have much to lose. so i say yes, y not • SmartDog says: I’d take Semin on a 1 year deal for that or more. Long term he’s a bigger gamble, but yah sure. And if we get rid of Gomez that gives us 10 million. We coulda had Jagr! lol ————————————- Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop! 20. HardHabits says: I don’t see the Habs power play improving much until they get a defence man that has an accurate cannon blast point shot. All the crisp passing in the world won’t convert pucks on their own. Habs need another Souray/Streit/Schneider/MAB/Wisniewski type of player. • mark-ID says: It is so true….our powerplay always worked so well with the bomb from the point….be it Sreit, Souray, Wis, Schneider etc……I never really thought myself that Markov was the main focus of our PPs success. Subban definately has a good shot…if only he had more accuracy……we definately have the set up guys in Markov and Kaberle. We also dont have the most skilled stick-handling guys who can work magic down low and on the side boards, a la Kovalev. I think in order to improve….they need to keep it simple….and get two guys in front of that net. “I think I may have found a way for us to get Griffey and Bonds, and we really won’t have to give up much” -Costanza • FishOutOfWater says: if markov returns to form, and kaberle doesn’t play like crap we can look at pk to perform much better offensively this season. especially with those 2 setting him up. 20+ goals is very achievable for this kid. adding boullion strengthens our defense by limiting the ice time of liable pairings (ie. weber, diaz, kaberle, emelin, markov? you get the picture) going into 2012-13 the team has learned alot from last season and hopefully guys who earned their keep last year (emelin, pleks, eller, dd, cole, patches, budaj) are rewarded for their hard work and become increasingly effective players • boing007 says: And, for PK, a few more end to end rushes à la Big Bird. And perhaps a goal or two as icing on the cake. Richard R Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls. • SmartDog says: We should call PK ‘Wild Thing’. His point blasts are rockets but they’re Scuds, not heat-seakers. ————————————- Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop! • DorvalTony says: Who’s going to hand PK a different club? I’m tired of his tee shots turning out to be wide field goals all the time. Robinson would have been perfect. Welcome back, Tank. • HardHabits says: ZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz. Why must you poison these pages with such soporific nonsense. Here’s all you need to know about why Corsi is an indicator of what I call “suck possession”. AARON PALUSHAJ Corsi = 13.68 DAVID DESHARNAIS Cosi = -1.33 I do seem to recall the denizens off all things deep stat were claiming that Gomez was better than Desharnais. Also that the Habs were just unlucky and that they would eventually regress to the mean. The actual and observational fact was that the Habs had over-achieved for since Gainey’s summer rebuild and regressing to their mean is what enabled them to acquire Galchenyuk. • wjc says: Hardhabits: Gomez is better then D.D. Give Gomez Cole and Patrcietty and you could prove it. wjc • HardHabits says: In your delusional dreams. • DorvalTony says: Gomez is gone. Welcome back, Tank. • 24 Cups says: wjc – That’s pretty funny. Cole and MaxPac helping DD can also be viewed as a two-way street. Whereas, Gomez has proven to be linemate killer. Outide of Gionta, who wants to play with him? • HardHabits says: It could be true that DD was insulated by having two power wingers, but that doesn’t diminish Desharnais’ offensive prowess and creativity and it is my perception that it was Desharnais that drove up the numbers of both Cole and Pacioretty, not the other way around. 21. Blouin says: A healthy Markov is potentially a huge plus for our blue line. Sure, he missed most of the games in our short memories, but he needed time to shake a tremendous amount of rust and get his skating legs back. His biggest hurdle will be the mental aspect; trusting his knee to make the zero-point pivots if he gets burned at the blue line. Dog days of summer, eh kiddos? • mksness says: very well put. i’ve had the ACL replacement surgery and it’s not fun. the biggest thing to worry about with markov is the extent of the meniscus damage; that’s what will slow him down in the long run. we’ll also see how he reacts to playing the puck when a hit is coming. i don’t think markov will ever be the same player but if he can stay healthy i see him helping out the powerplay by atleast 7% • Blouin says: Very much agree about the PP improvement, but I’ll go out on a limb and say we’ll get double-digit improvement. Watching last year, we kept playing the perimeter, primarily passing to the four outside corners. Markov has great eyes and can threat those down-low-and-in feeds. Stick Bourque in those dirty areas and let him poke ‘em in. I really think this kid has more to add to the roster than what we saw last year. • New says: I agree. I think Bourque was in great position lots of times but failed to convert. There is a good chance he was trying too hard and thinking too much. • DorvalTony says: Trying too hard? Geez Bourque never broke a sweat once. Terrible. He’s on the bubble and if he has a bad camp… Welcome back, Tank. • third generation haber says: absolutely! Bourque is a clueless hockey player but he can burry pucks. Back to back 27 goal campaigns is not a fluke. Give his some time with DD and we will see what he’s capable of. j.p. murray • --Habs-- says: My concern isn’t his talent. WE know he has it. The problem is speed…..But if he’s ready it will be a great PP with him and PK which could be enough to make the Habs dangerous……Lets face it, if a team has a great PP teams play you different, not so cocky and not so rude. Nobody cared if they took a penalty against the Habs in the last few years. But with Markov quarterbacking the PP and Pk to his left with 1 timers it makes a huge difference. Go HABS Go 22. habsavvy says: let’s face it. habs are a 1 line team, with a porous defence. these type of teams finish in the cellar, which is exactly where we’ll finish, if MB doesn’t get off his butt and become aggressive like Holmgren. yes I despise Holmgren but I give him kudos for being proactive and always doing everything possible to improve his team. he has a very young and exciting team that’s always in play for the cup. habs on the other hand, are always hoping we squeeze into 8th place. that difference in mentality, keeps us in the bottom tier of the league. • ed lopaz says: if we manage to make a trade and pick up a healthy Gionta and a healthy Markov, would you consider that an aggressive move ? And if I told you we wouldn’t have to give up anything, not even draft picks, would you consider that the team has been improved ? Because from every indication Gionta and Markov are back reasonably if not completely healthy next year. • mksness says: ya and gionta missed about 80 games over the last 3 seasons markov missed, well just about everything. what did the habs do when markov came back last year, they won? nah they continues to lose, powerplay continued to struggle. i’m hoping for a nice 50 point season from gionta but can he stay healthy for the whole year? i dunno. as for markov, we’ll see if hes injury has had any mental effects on his game • The Chicoutimi Cucumber says: The difference between Montreal and Philly is that Philly has done a tremendous job of both drafting and player development. This puts them in a position where they can move picks to add a Weber. Bob Gainey was EXTREMELY proactive. He sold picks to add Tanguay and Lang, then more picks for Schneider, to put us over the top in 2009. Didn’t work. He was willing to move Price and Pleks + prospect to add Lecavalier. Fell through. He moved a promising young D-man to add Gomez. Disaster. He blew up the whole team and reconstructed it via free agency in 2009. Mixed results. But the idea that Montreal just sits on its butt and hopes to squeak in is totally false. Indeed, our fundamental problem has NOT been that we’re too conservative. It’s that we haven’t gotten the fundamentals – especially player development – right. That is the lesson to take from Philadelphia’s attack on Nashville: if you get the fundamentals right, you’re dealing from a position of strength. We have not dealt from a position of true strength since 1996. • Exit716 says: I assume the hiring spree by Bergevin in terms of former players to oversee development in Hamilton will eventually pay off in the long run. For the first time in forever, it seems the Habs have a coherent, long-term plan in place for their prospects. It will require patience on the part of fans, but I really think they are heading in the correct direction. • --Habs-- says: Give MB a “BIT” of time! Maybe now with Nashville way under the cap the Habs can give him to Nashville for a 4th or 5th round pick to get rid of the salary. That could very well happen. • wjc says: Habsavvy: You think Montreal will finish in the cellar. Stop comparing Holmgren (flavor of the day) with Bergevin. Two different teams, entirely different circumstances Philadelphia play for the cup, but never win it. Takes time to let players develop. Gomez and Kabrele comebacks should help. What would you say if D.D. and Plekanics went down to injury. Markov will comeback better then ever, last year was testing the knee and getting rid of the rust. I look forward to the season and see the positives. Forget last year. Things change quickly sometimes. I see it as an interesting season. You can gloom and doom all you wish if it brings you pleasure. You may be 100% right….doubtful….you may be 60% right…possibly. You may be 100% wrong….doubtful also. You think if you sling enough mud, some will stick….now that is 100% right. If some of your dour predictions are wrong you will just ignore it and concentrate on saying “I told you so” on the correct ones…….on to your game, my friend. wjc 23. habstrinifan says: Good morning! I am following the discussion re our ‘declining’ status in the league based on our inability to get bigger names. Montreal may have its problems attractingthe ‘megastar’ but management is also very much to blame in failing to get off the free agent market players who fit special niches in or team and who would have moved us close to cometitive consistency, if not a cup. Every analyst has said Montreal needs a big shutdown relable tough D-MAN. Not a superstar. I cant see any explanation or reason to convince me that the team should not ave ALREADY addressed this need. There are sufficient player son the market who can be given a 1 to 2 year contract at a reasonable salary. They couldnt ALL have turned us down. I see the signings of players like DIaz and Geoffrion and even Palushaj etc as what has ailed the team for the last while. We fil our roster with this type player who becomes neither highly trade-able nor highly productive. The are always ‘if’ players as far as production goes. And dont bring along witht that if specifically important ‘intangibles’ that add value to the team. I challenge any poster to tell me what ‘unstocked’ value Palushaj, Diaz or Geoffrion brings to this team were we to take to the ice tomorrow. Now if we had taken those dollars and gone out and added say a Scot Hannan, your answer would have been specific. • HabFab says: Hannan could not even carry Diaz’s jock strap. The other two are depth to play in Hamilton and be called up if needed with injuries. Palushaj IMO has peaked as a player. Geoffrion has some potential talent but I’m not sure if he has peaked yet, this year tells. • habstrinifan says: OK. I don’t care about Hannan. But the most pressing need (because we do not have a likely candidate in our system right NOW) is for an NGL experienced big d who has a competent level of skill and can play on the second pairing. Anyone. While we groom Tinordi. St Louis has a nice UFA defenseman, Kent Huskins for example. It would be nice to know that we are really pursuing a player like that. Rememebr last year we could have had Sahane O’Brien who is now an integral part of Colorado and contributed well to their PP last year…. surprisingly so and they had him for a measly 1m. Diaz may be better at skating being a mobile defenceman than Hannan, but that’s just it… he does not augment our defence with his skills more than Hannan will with his skills. • Habfan10912 says: I can’t disagree with anything you’ve written Habsintrin. The club does need a move the pile dman but that’s not all that is needed. Many holes on this team. Hopefully the plugs will be either in Jr. or Hamilton this season. As for the three players you mentioned, all three are young players who perhaps may develop into more valued assets? Perhaps that’s the thought of the organization. Have a good one sir. ———————————– • habstrinifan says: Many holes but if you look at our prospects we have players at least drafted with the potential to fill those holes. We do not have a player in the system now to fill that special hole except Tinordi who needs grooming. And filling that one hole will make the team better immediately. • ont fan says: Every team wants a big, reliable, tough, shutdown guy. If you’re not trading for one, I think they are in the drivers seat and we aren’t on their list. • ed lopaz says: here is what’s going on the way I see it: Bergevin does know we need to be tougher Prust, Armstrong, are tougher The Cube is quite tough., and he can play the role of a #5,6,7 d-man and play the body, work the front of the net, fight if he has to, experienced, cost efficient, loyal the forwards Palushaj and Geoffrion are “depth” players, #12, #13, #14 forwards in the organisation. They are excellent AHL players but not quite capable of impacting an NHL game at a high level. Diaz is an NHL player. You sign your NHL players and keep them unless there is a trade you can make., We don’t know, but I suspect that Diaz was possibly offered in a trade these past weeks. It didn’t come through. Our new GM seems to understand the notion that the Habs need to be tough to play against. He deserves some time to put the whole package together and then we can judge the results. • mksness says: how many games did we lose because we weren’t tough enough? now ask yourself how many games did we lose because our PP was a disaster? prust and armstrong, while good additions are not the players that are to put this team over the top or make us make the playoffs. if you think they are well, you’ll be disappointed at the end of the year. • Strummer says: Kaberle will also play tougher “if asked to” Last season, no-one asked? ______________________________________________________ “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong” • New says: I think that when a team wins everybody looks good. It has been 20 years since Montreal won anything. Nobody looks great. There are 29 other teams. Most of them pay the players about the same. Sure taxes are a factor but so is quality of life. We all cheer for the Canadiens. Most players don’t cheer for the Canadiens. They go where the deal is the best because that is their business. Many stay with the team that developed them because that is where their friends and life are. I don’t think you can just head out and buy anything you want when that thing has a choice. Sure you can trade for a player who would not otherwise have signed with your team and the player will do his PR thing but that won’t make a content player, family, or team. Montreal starts winning and all the marginal players will become hidden gems. With NHL careers being as short as they are more players would consider Montreal. The adverse fan reaction minimizes because fans are happy. Everything changes. Years ago when Montreal was always winning the fans would applaud good plays. They would boo bad plays. They always cheered for the Canadiens. Today they boo superstars making great plays and individuals on their own team trying to win. That is from frustration, understandable to an extent, but boorish. Twenty years not to win the Cup when money isn’t a factor in a league where most teams lose money? I would say it isn’t one or two players that are the issue. I hope and do think the new management team are the right guys to turn this around. Word will spread, the team will start to compete again, and all this angst will disappear. • --Habs-- says: MB made it very clear he wanted to add toughness up front and he did! He ended up with a couple of players that WON”T get pushed around and can contribute at the same time. SMART! I still think the Habs will try to move Gomez and probably to Nashville to fill their now huge gap to meet the cap! Its not like there are big names for the Preds to go after right now. Anyway its not like any big name player would want to go to Nashville right now so it may very well be a fit for Gomez. Maybe help rejuvenate him, help the Preds and relieve the Habs. Go HABS Go • wjc says: Pateryn and Tinorti developing in the minors. Pateryn may be ready to fill that role, wait and see. Palushaj, Diaz and Geffrion add depth. Patients for developing players is needed, not trading developing players for quick fixes. Who is Scot Hannan, doesn’t sound like an answer to me. wjc • DorvalTony says: Personally I am dying for an offensive superstar. Give me some freaking ENTERTAINMENT. Welcome back, Tank. 24. JohnBellyful says: There’s not much of interest to comment on about the Canadiens these days and I fear HIO’s collective ability to offer informed opinion will become dulled should the news drought continue. To keep your wits sharp until the Canadiens announce PK has signed a five-year deal, try this Habematics challenge. Answer the questions below and the first poster who supplies correct responses to both will be hailed as a true-bleu Habs fan who knows his/her stuff. 1.) Easy question (for fans who have been following the team for only 50 years): – divide the number of Stanley Cup championships won by the Canadiens by the retired number worn by Dickie Moore ___, then – add the team’s franchise record number of wins in the regular season ___, then – subtract the most losses the Canadiens ever suffered in one season ___, then – take away the number of goals Gomez scored this year ___, then – divide by the number worn by Guy Lafleur ___, then – add the number worn by the greatest centre ever to have played for the Canadiens ___, then – add the most points recorded in the regular season by Le Petit Viking, ___, and, finally, – multiply by the number of Art Ross trophies won by Rocket Richard ___ The answer is ___ 2.) Difficult question (for real hardcore fans) –– multiply the number of line combinations tried by Jacques Martin last season by the number of line combinations posted by fans ___, then – subtract the number of PK trade rumours posted in the last two months ___, then – add the number of times George Laraque fought as a Canadien ___, then – divide by the square root of the number worn by Leon Rochefort ___, then – subtract the speed of a Hal Gill slapshot ___, then – add the number of forwards who have played for both the Leafs and the Canadiens ___, then – subtract the number of defencemen who have NOT played for both the Leafs and the Canadiens ___ and, finally, – multiply by the number of HIO posters who are certain the Canadiens will win the Stanley Cup next year The answer is ___ Bonus question! 2 + 2 = ___ [according to the owners] 2 + 2 = ___ [according to the players] • HabFab says: 1. Hope that gave you my headache to put together. 2. For the number worn by the greatest centre of all time, due we use his present #11 or the #91 he wore when he was first acquired? 3. is the answer for the bonus question 3 and 5? • Clay says: Question 2 is a trick question – allow me to explain; Jacques Martin actually tried an infinite number of line combinations last season, and the fans likewise posted an infinite number of line combinations. It is impossible to multiply infinity by another number. Fundamentally, we add, subtract, multiply, and divide numbers. Infinity is a mathematical concept, but is not a number. However, sometimes it can be meaningful to discuss these operations acting on numbers where one or more numbers are increasing without bound (“going to infinity”). For example, dividing a finite constant by such a number that is increasing without bound would result in something getting closer and closer to zero (to within any given \epsilon > 0). \lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} \frac{1}{n} = 0 This is sometimes is stated crudely as \frac{1}{\infty} = 0 . While this semantic is icky, it does have meaning. but the following doesn’t: (+\infty) + (-\infty) = ?? or \frac{\infty}{\infty} = ?? What did I win? __________________________ ☞ The first principle is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool. ~ Richard Feynman ☜ • JohnBellyful says: My admiration. Now in layman’s terms can you explain what I just read … • jedimyrmidon says: That looks like LaTeX mathematics syntax. • gatorhabs says: 1. 0 2. 0 Anything multiplied by zero is zero. Even infinity. • JohnBellyful says: We have a winner!! Anything you post from now on, gator, will be treated as gospel. • gatorhabs says: Excellent, thanks! Although, it does seems a little redundant, I already thought my posts WERE gospel. But some validation once in a while is a good thing. • habstrinifan says: Q1 .. Dont think Maurice ever won the Art Ross.. off the top of m head.. that’s all I had to read .. so I say 0. Q2…This question would put me in the same Coma sarek state that any Phan euf the Leafs is … so I pass. Bonus: You mean there were bonus questions at the bottom of tests. I never managed to get that far into any test. Why would anyone want to ‘answer’ one more question in a test anyhow. I could never understand smart people. 25. Mavid says: taking the 66 fastback mustang to an all Ford cruise day…only 81 days to go…GO HABS GO…all of you have a wonderful Sunday.. 26. Boomer says: Anyone else catch the Allstate hockey game with the bantam players today? that Mcdavid kid is on another level… Occupation: Professional Hedonist… aiming low and exceeding expectations Hobo with a laptop • JF says: Fun game, and the coaches seemed to enjoy it as much as the kids. McDavid was certainly impressive, and there were a couple of others who stood out – Beauvillier, Barzal, and Halbgewachs. 27. rhino514 says: Seeing what the flyers, Rags, and other big market teams are doing, I would be dissapointed if we do not make any more major moves before the beginning of the season. These teams are retaining big free agents, drawing up offer sheets, in essence being very proactive. In Montreal we are excited about getting Prust, Armstrong, and Bouillon (!) This is the freakin Montreal Canadiens we are talking about! The third biggest franchise in the league and the most prestigious one in the league. No problem with Prust, nor even with the cube, but we aren´t big enough to go out and get a real top six left winger? Bourque is on the second line, Armstrong possibly on the third, as it stands now. Sure, they COULD revive their careers and be meh o.k. (they won´t be great in any case), but they are much, much less of a sure thing than quite a few forwards out there obtainable either by FA or by trade. Teams like LA, Rangers, Flyers, and even quite a few lesser teams would have made an aggressive move by now to fix the leak at the left wing position. We seem to have the mentality of a small market team by making small moves. Perhaps MB is waiting to see the outcome of the new CBA, but then again, other teams have not stopped trying to improve themselves as much as possible in the meantime. • Steven says: Taxes are a killer. Plus, you gotta figure some players don’t want the pressure of Montreal, and would rather go to a US city like NY and do their thing. Typical excuses, but they do carry some weight. Don’t overpay here, and you don’t get anyone. Also, as of now at least, would you really want to come play in Montreal if you have no ties to the city and you see they’ve come off one of their worst seasons ever? If I’m Doan(Since he’s probably the 2nd line winger we all want), I don’t even look this way, being 35 and Cupless. When the team becomes a winner in a few years(and it should, unless something goes horribly wrong), we’ll see more FA wanting to come here, but less actually being needed. 28. third generation haber says: Go Bull-dogs Go!!!! Realistically our next 2 seasons count for nothing. It’s the bulldogs we should be focusing on this year. Hamilton is absolutely stacked this year. Might be the most talented team in the AHL. In 2 years time they will be nhl ready. A large group maturing at once is how cups are won. Add the amazing 2012 draft picks to the group we have in Hamilton this year, and the veteran core of the 2014 Habs (Price, Subban, Pacioretty, Pleks, Emellin, Eller, DD) and we have a potential powerhouse! If we manage to draft high even one more time (in the next 2 years), I can’t even imagine the star power we will have. Let’s keep the kids, develop them patiently and avoid any desperation trades that might vault us into a playoff spot this year (See Burke, Brian). I’d rather see us be a cup contender in the next 3-5 years than an annual play-off contender. j.p. murray • commandant says: The Bulldogs will be better next year but lets not overestimate them. They will be a team filled with AHL rookies, many of whom are a mere 20 years old. Such teams rarely compete well in the AHL. Its a league where most of the best teams are filled with veterans and AHL journey men Go Habs Go! NHL Free Agency and Trade Analysis now. Team By Team Prospect Reports coming soon http://lastwordonsports.com/ • Cal says: Right. Nothing like all-rookie line-ups to win a Cup. Have a look at the last 4 years of the Oilers. • JUST ME says: I wouldnt go as far as saying they are stacked. They seem to have a better team but they have a bunch of players who have to step up from junior to AHL wich is probably the biggest step of all. They will play with men,for most of them need to put some weight on and try to duplicate the succes they had up until now in a pro league. Lets not forget that this is step one of the re-building of an organization with lots of adjustements to be made on and off the ice.Even in Hamilton we are starting from scratch . I agree with you that it is promising and that for once the team seems to be aiming towards the future but the guys from Hamilton can only do so much as far as the big picture is concerned. 29. Habitant in Surrey says: @HabSavvy …I see the same of the Als …Reinebold’s D-make-over looks a shambles …both coverage and the defensive line I disagree about Calvillo …His age and the dings are catching up to Him, but the Als would be still winning if they had a defence 30. Habitant in Surrey says: @EnglishIsNotACrime …excellent post to those Whom You say feel ‘entitled’ to debowel and dehumanize Our Players whom for whatever reason do not live up to Our bloated expectations …I mean I Myself can be unhappy how a Hab plays, but within the bounds I also see that Player as a human being …when You consider there are so called Habs’ Fan that will riot, turn over taxis, burn and loot, kick cops and fellow Fans in the head in Their irrational fandom, it says there is an element of ‘sickness’ in the collective of which I often feel embarrassment to be a part of …I love My Team …I love and admire many knowledgeable and passionate fellow Habs Fans many of those here …but, at the same time, I have contempt and extreme dislike of an irrational minority that makes me often embarrassed to also call Myself a Montreal Canadiens’ Fan …so EINAC, Your rant is appreciated …unfortunately most of these numb nutz are too ‘thick’ to know what You are talkin’ about 31. EasternOntarioHabsFan says: For those about to rock, We salute you • Chuck says: Good tune. ___________________________________________________ Being a Hab fan is like buying real estate: only over the long-haul will you appreciate the true value of your investment. 32. JohnBellyful says: … and the Als’ comeback falls short. Woohoo! 33. TorontoHabsFan says: I can’t imagine PK signing an offer sheet. Any reasonable offer would be matched immediately by Montreal and I just can’t see any team offering him Weber money – he hasn’t earned it yet. Even some Hjalmarsson (sp?) shenanigans seem unlikely as Montreal is nowhere near the salary cap so a Boston (fer instance) couldn’t force us to overpay him and put us in a cap-bind. 34. Rozz says: Looks like the Al’s are starting bringing the noise! I hope they can mount another epic come back like last week “When we remember we are all mad, the mysteries disappear and life stands explained.” Mark Twain. • Rozz says: TC’s get another TD .. looks like it will have to be an epic comeback if its gonna happen! “When we remember we are all mad, the mysteries disappear and life stands explained.” Mark Twain. • habsavvy says: als can’t stop anyone. they need a mobile quarterback. their defence is pathetic. I’d be shocked if they win more than 5 games. they should be rebuilding because they stink! 35. The Dude says: And the Al’s are making another comeback…………nice! 36. accp says: The Habs have Three new faces that’s about what you’ll see after training camp. pretty much the same team starting the season without injuries and a little tougher and as usual they’ll be fighting for a playoff spot again come 2013 or looking forward to another good draft pick…don’t set your expectations too high. • habsavvy says: I doubt they’ll be fighting for a playoff spot. 13th place is ours. 37. otter649 says: Chris Williams is no Johnny Rodgers when it comes running/walking backwards into the endzone…….lol • Rozz says: I’d say lol .. how much do you bet that he’ll be hearing it from his coach and team for almost costing them a TD? “When we remember we are all mad, the mysteries disappear and life stands explained.” Mark Twain. 38. Habitant in Surrey says: @Gerald …My Guy gets the big juicy kind and seems pretty satisfied, but I will try Your suggestion …and, in case You are wonderin’ …I am at a campground near Kelowna with The Kids …that’s why all the @s …My Son, bored fishin’ wants to go find Josh’s and Carey’s homes …I ask Him if He would enjoy strangers prying into His own privacy …so He is back to conniving how to put ants in His sister’s running shoes …anyhow, gotta go find a cool sports bar tv and watch the Als smoosh Your Tabbies … Talk later • HabinBurlington says: Hate to tell you but last I saw JB’s Cats were winning. Cats are my backup team, Bombers in for another long year. Happy Camping. • habsgod says: RIDERS ALL THE WAY! THEY ARE THE CLASS OF THE LEAGUE SO FAR! i have to agree the bombers are in for a long season with crystal pierce as their starting q.b. ………the aloutettes are my favorite team in the east and if the riders aren’t there i cheer for the lions because of roy shivers the best talent evalutor in cfl history! 39. Habitant in Surrey says: @Burly …are You talkin’ deer or bull Gerald ? • HabinBurlington says: Pretty sure it is a deer antler. My dog doesn’t do so well with regular bones, tends to devour them a little to quick which leads to issues I won’t get into here 40. Habitant in Surrey says: …actually, rather hoping Gomer surprises Us this coming season …if He can just re-learn the object of the game is to put the biscuit behind the goalie His speed and dash is fun to watch Yet, I remember hoping the same the past 2 summers 41. EasternOntarioHabsFan says: Mike Knuble, oui au non? • Steven says: He’d probably be a decent 3rd or 4th liner, and we don’t need any more of those. • Marc10 says: How much has he got left in the tank? For me he’s like Lats. He can score but I wouldn’t pay very much nor expect much. 42. Habitant in Surrey says: …funny about some of You Guys …Y’all talk about the same minutiae over and over and over My Golden Retriever doesn’t chew on the same bone as much as some of You …ah but, maybe that’s why You are the Greatest Fans ? • HabinBurlington says: You need to get your dog one of those antler bones. My guy loves them, best part is not messy and stinky like so many bones. Expensive, but they last quite long. 43. HabinBurlington says: Allan Walsh has been busy on his twitter account, this time all about the CBA and the owners. http://www.kuklaskorner.com/index.php/hockey/comments/what_do_you_think_of_a_revenue_sharing_luxury_tax_system_in_the_nhl/?tw_p=twt • commandant says: He’s right in this instance. Revenue sharing is the solution here. Until you solve the disparity between the rich teams and the poor teams you wont get to the root of the problem A new CBA might lead to further concessions from the players, and to closing some of the current loopholes, but as long as you have rich terams and poor teams, the rich teams will always seek out a new loophole to use their financial might to their advantage. It might not be 13 year contracts, but it will be something else. Go Habs Go! NHL Free Agency and Trade Analysis now. Team By Team Prospect Reports coming soon http://lastwordonsports.com/ 44. Habitant in Surrey says: @HabFab …Frank, did You read NBC will be featuring several CFL games, playoff and Grey Cup this autumn ? …likee ! …but just as long the CFL don’t think about expanding with any more American teams • HabFab says: Christopher -thanks but had not heard. Your talking football has reminded me that there was a game starting soon. 45. HammerHab says: re: Therrien Initially I was on the fence about the decision, but as mentioned by others I think MB knows what he is doing. It seems he excels in this type of situation. His 1st year in Pittsburgh he took over a terrible team and was 14-29-8. The next year he was 47-24-11 for 105 pts. Granted the team he was taking over had more talent than the Habs, but he does get the best out of his players. 46. montrealtilldeath says: Awesome PK training video. You can see why he is so successfull and so durable. His body will be in top condition. Like Tiger Woods when he said he did not mind the heat because his body was in good condition from an intense training routine he does all the time. We had better sign this guy as he will perform at a high level for a long time. Better not let him get away. In the New York markets his celebration would become highlights that would be a marketers dream. They loved John MacEnroe and he was way more abrasive than PK. Americans understand the desire to win. Sign him for more than 3 years because if he grows in talent like I think he will we might not be able to afford him. And in terms of Don Cherry and his BS if he was coaching or a GM today who do you think would be first to sign him if he had the opportunity. 47. EasternOntarioHabsFan says: if Patrick Kane does not have a drinking problem, then neither did Bob Probert • neumann103 says: Not trying to contradict you but Probert had a lot more than a drinking problem going on. “Et le but!” • EasternOntarioHabsFan says: (among other things) there is no indication that Kane is not doing evrything that Probert was doing he just hasen’t gottn caught …… yet 48. ed lopaz says: about coaching, it seems to me that Babcock sets the standard for modern day NHL coaching. and here are 2 things about him that really stand out. 1) he adapts his coaching “style” according to the players on his roster 2) he is very “system oriented” in the defensive zone coverage, but he allows for creative, individual play when Detroit has the puck in the offensive zone. when you combine these 2 aspects of his style you can see why so many want to play for Babcock and in Detroit, and why so many have success there. somebody like the Count was forcing his square style through a round hole regardless of who was on his roster, and he insisted on restricting creativity even when his team owned the puck in the offensive zone. end result: very few have great things to say about being coached by the Count, and many offensive players have seen their games struggle under his rule. How will Therrien coach?? • HabFab says: Agree re Babcock and have concerns re MT. I also feel that the leash is not long. • Marc10 says: Babcock has been terrific, but let’s see how much of a genius he is now that he’s got a hole the size of a semi in his D. This year for the first time in a long time the Wings are missing feathers. Therrien is a taskmaster and Mr Accountability. I’m sure he’s adjusted some, but he’s an emotional guy at the core. That’s not necessarily a bad thing if it’s used right. Maybe Gallant is more like Babcock. We’ll find out. It’s going to be an interesting year. I’m keen to see what they’re able to get out of this team. 49. JF says: For anyone wanting hockey, the Mentorship Cup is on TSN. Team Hall against Team Tavares. 50. Ian Cobb says: With PK about to sign in a week, all the pieces are on paper for the new coaching staff to assemble into lines and pairings. Once training camp starts in a little more than a month from now. It will be a new look for sure and the kids and the vets will have to show well to get a high roster spot this year. I am going to enjoy watching how this club is going to be put together this year. Only a very few players have a lock on top roster spots. Players like Gomez are still in the mix, until they show the new coaches that they cannot perform to expectations. Like I said, this is a new coaching philosophy this year and under performing players for J. Martin, will probably just excel under the new coaching. We are getting close to finding out! • HabinBurlington says: I have to admit Ian, I was not excited when I first heard about Therrien as coach. However, after listening to Bergevin talking about Therrien in a few interviews, I think he knows what he is doing. I think Therrien provides a quick fix per se, motivating the players to give there all and earn there ice time. If indeed Therrien has learned from past experiences (Mtl and Pitt.) he could be a good coach. If he has not, then he is a short term (2 seasons max) stopgap and by then a Gallant or somebody will be ready to step in. While some players have worn out their welcome with most fans, this will be their last chance with a new coaching staff to show if they have anything. Really looking forward to watching the team rebound. Have a great day Ian! • JUST ME says: The on ice look is quite similar but off ice its day and night.For the good of the team i think that we should not consider anyone as a keeper even if some are…We will need some roster spots for the youngsters in the upcoming seasons and now the current team has so many things to prove ! I have a bad feeling about the cba negociations though. I think there will be a delay before the begining of the season and i personaly hope the players win on every point. Although i think 99 % of the NHL players are way overpaid i cannot see how the owners would deserve for anything to change. They need self discipline and even though an offer sheet is within the rules , it is a stab in the back that should not exist between them. But even if the NHL is on labour stoppage, i think that the Bulldogs and the Sting (Sarnia) will get our attention anyway ! • rhino514 says: “under performing players for J. Martin, will probably just excel under the new coaching.” This was repeated twice. On what basis? Just as likely some players will do worse under Therrien than under JM. J Martin wasn´t some newbie coach who didn´t know what he was doing, I think he is in the top eight or so winningest coaches of all time. I don´t think the case can be made, convincingly, that Therrien is a more qualified coach than JM. The problem last year was injuries, plain and simple. JM got 96 points out of the team the year before, also an injury plagued, though somewhat less so, year, and that was no mean feat. • HabinBurlington says: Ron Wilson has the 6th most wins also, does this mean he is a great coach as well? • rhino514 says: Maybe not a great coach, but a competent one for sure. You have to respect the fact that he lasted long enough over many years to reach those totals. The significance of that should not be simply discarded. I´m all for giving Therrien a chance, I like his emotion, but his body of work is not substantial. He´s been out of work for a while, and probably not from his own volition. • HabinBurlington says: I hear you Rhino, but couldn’t resist the chance to throw Ron Wilson under the bus like he has done to so many of his players. As it pertains to JM, I think he is a decent coach, but perhaps not for the current era of players. While Gill and Spacek have their shortcomings and could have an axe to grind, the comments they made regarding JM’s coaching style sure left me wondering if he was even a decent coach. Therrien, well we shall see what we get. Cheers bud. • HabFab says: I’m surprised you still had doubts. • HabinBurlington says: The notebpad always gave him a look of credibility Frank • rhino514 says: I think Therrien could be o.k. in the short term at least because of his roots and no matter what people say it is an intangible which cannot be discarded. I´m not saying to hire a coach ONLY because he is french canadian, but if he can coach, having that profile is definitely a plus. It would be good if we had a couple more GOOD quebececois players besides DD as well (you can sort of count Bouillon) as I think there is a chance they could flourish with a homeboy coach. As you said, we shall see. • boing007 says: J Martin might be number eight in wins but it took him quite awhile to get there. Richard R Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls. 51. HabsFanMTL says: HockeyyInsiderr Doan is expected to meet with #Habs and #Sabres reps and visit Montreal and Buffalo 52. HabsFanMTL says: Habs are shopping 2nd round pick 2013 , Bourque and Diaz for Simone Gagne & J Williams • RGM says: Sure they are. Somehow I doubt that the Champs are interested in such a thing. ———————– GO HABS GO! Maybe 2012-13 will be our year! “Scott Gomez is an elite NHL player” – VancouverHab Chat with me on Twitter @TheRealRGM81 • Handfield8 says: the fact that people actually listen to hockeyyinsiderr seriously depresses me • Ian Cobb says: Like I said, this is a new coaching philosophy this year and under performing players for J. Martin, will probably just excel under the new coaching. • HardHabits says: No they’re not. • Un Canadien errant says: What does Simone Gagné look like? She hot? Is she going to replace Evelyne Audet? EDIT: Found her. She’s a handsome woman, but she’s no Evelyne. https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1012138266472.2001782.1315471940&type=3 • Newf_Habster says: Do not tell us that this BS is coming from hockeyyinsiderr! 53. arcosenate says: Doan offered 4 years,$30 million? Forget about that.

54. HabFab says:

@commandant re previous post and the Forbes figures. Since the league or teams don’t provide these, then of course they will not be 100% accurate. However until that happens Forbes, as the leading Business media, will probably be the best bet for us lowly fans.

PS: and even if the league did provide figures. How accurate would they be without outside auditors?

• commandant says:

I agree, the Forbes numbers are the best thing we have.

But when we have seen actual numbers (and I’m not talking the Levitt report, we both know that was a joke, and owner produced propaganda). But actual auditted numbers, with creditors having a major interest in making sure they are accurate, we’ve seen that Forbes numbers are way off too.

This isn’t to say there is something better out there… its just to say we can’t trust Forbes numbers as the be all/end all either.

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55. Propwash says:

A sneek peek at the negotiation process???

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56. PrimeTime says:

Robert Levebre
Fantasy General Manager (wannabe)

English is not a Crime comment is about the fantasy hockey fans, not about Gomez’ contribution to the team. All fans certainly are allowed their own opinions….even those who’s differ from your own arrogant comments.

• He is absolutely not talking about fantasy hockey. The term “fantasy hockey” isn’t there in his post, and has nothing to do with his point. It’s all about fans, and there’s aren’t in fantasy hockey, FFS!

• RGM says:

English may not be a crime, but this post is a crime against the English language.

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• HardHabits says:

PrimeTime
Fantasy Intelligent Commenter (wannabe)

How many more ways can you possibly make a fool of yourself? I mean seriously PT. Is that all you got? Trolling this site and lashing at everybody and everything and then having the gall to insult one the Internet’s most respected Habs bloggers rather than engage in an intelligent debate with him. You’re a sad piece of work buddy.

Not only that but you’re retarded.

• RGM says:

Bad taste. You don’t call retarded people retards. You call your friends retards when they are acting retarded.

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• HardHabits says:

I agree, notwithstanding this one exception to that golden rule.

• The Dude says:

HH
Intelligent Commenter(thank-god)
Couldn’t have put PrincessTime in his place any better …good job

PrimeTime, I know you’re not exactly trying here, but if you’re going to pretend to engage someone in conversation, a basic form of respect is to get their name right. You butchered Mr. Lefebvre’s name in your response, along with basic grammar. That alone signals to readers that your effort was half-assed, and that’s a poor reflection on you. Next time, refer to the posts and ensure proper spelling of your interlocutor, and read your post over before hitting the ‘Submit Comment’ button to ensure that it’s at least somewhat readable.

Not hammering you over apostrophes or commas or a spelling error here or there, but on your hurried and unrevised dog’s breakfast of a comment. Presentation counts.

• HabinBurlington says:

I am now googling interlocutor, you always teach me new words Normand, Thanks

It comes naturally to a Francophone, interlocuteur is a common word in French. I’m surprised there isn’t a similar word in English, a slightly less polysyllabic one that is in common use.

I once used the word ‘panoply’ to describe the assortment of sail and surfboard fins in a shop window in Hood River, and my friends held a mini public shaming. I gamely tried to explain it’s a really common word we’ll toss out in conversation in Montréal, then shut up and took my lumps.

57. HabFab says:

I don’t know about the rest of you all BUT I’m real excited about watching our team… the Hamilton Bulldogs play in October…”sigh”

• I was excited about the B-Dogs, lockout or not. I hope that somehow we do get to watch them if the season goes on the fritz.

• mark-ID says:

Wouldn’t it be nice if there was a lockout….somehow RDS managed to get right to telelvise all their games…..I know it won’t happen, but still

“I think I may have found a way for us to get Griffey and Bonds, and we really won’t have to give up much” -Costanza

• HabFab says:

Yeah! Me three, but just expressing my frustrations thru sarcasm…dig?

• I hear ya! Here’s my frustration – I renegotiated 9 different clauses in my book contract and was happy how that turned out. I never thought of the lockout. It’s a gonna be pretty sh*tty to have it come out when there’s no hockey being played. In hindsight, I wish I’d thought of some clause to that extent.

• HabFab says:

Actually to a Hockey starved Canada, that may help sales

• HardHabits says:

Take a deep breath old man. Think of it as watching your kids grow up. I’m pumped. But then again I still have some libido and testosterone left in me.

• HabFab says:

If you were closer, I’d smack the crap out of you with my cane. And to ensure some accuracy here you young whipper snapper…it is watching the grand kids grow.

• HardHabits says:

Either you got out of the gates early or I got out of the gates late. I just hope your accuracy with your cane is as good as my accuracy with generational references are.

• HabFab says:

Modern families huh! Marry someone older with a kid and they marry young, someone older with a kid and you end up with a grandson that you are only 39 years older then. He plays HS football this year and I use him to hold people I want to hit with the cane…okay it is my mothers… but she will let me borrow it.

PS I do have 3 others, watch out for the little girl. With two older brothers, she has discovered how to physically demolish members of the male gender.

• HabinBurlington says:

Why does this read like a rematch of Joe Kapp versus Angelo Mosca? HabFab, I hope you fare better than Angelo did with his cane.

• HabFab says:

Will use it like a shepherds hook…bring him in close and kapow! Will admit that I couldn’t catch him on foot anymore and he would probably wear his roller skates anyhow

58. PrimeTime says:

That’s right Timo…..Therrien is the reason why PK has not yet signed. What a brilliant deduction!!

59. PrimeTime says:

@English is not a Crime
Well said but too many fans feel entitled. Their attcks on players are based on their fantasy hockey minds.

60. JUST ME says:

As much as we tend to make catastrophic scenarios and spectacular trades here, i think that the two sides simply agreed to meet at this time a while ago and to enjoy the summer at its fullest.

But of course until they do sign a deal it will be much ado about nothing…

• Max_a_million says:

Yes much ado about nothing. This is an important lifetime decision for him, and a big contract for the team. Taking time to work it out only makes sense. It’s only July 21st, no panic.

I am actually surprised by the number of guys who decide their careers in less than a day.

61. commandant says:

OT but Canada beat the US in world junior football (the gridiron kind) to win gold

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62. Habs1996 says:

@Timo
much more easier to make a deal with Pk subban with 6M cap space than 14M cap space.
Therrien said hes going to coach subban and i dont think hes going to take back his words now unless he wants to make his credibility worse, wich is already fragile.
They have a month left,MB wont accept the first proposal just because he wants to keep Subban.Its Negotiation.
FYI, geoffrion and diaz may not
be pillars but they also arent useless.
1-Still didnt reach full potential

63. ZepFan2 says:

“Kane says he doesn’t have a drinking problem.”

Of course he doesn’t. He only drinks one…after the other and has no problem doing so.

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• VJ says:

He has just as much of a drinking problem as the rest of us. He has 2 hands, and only 1 mouth

64. English is not a Crime says:

“Capgeek calculates the Canadiens are $6.3 million under the cap – if you include Scott Gomez.” What a strange thing to say? It’s also$6.3M if you include Price, Markov, Pacioretty, Cole or any other players on the team. This garbage of eating our own is really disgusting and frankly one of the biggest problems the Habs have. The so-called “fans” that would rather crucify their players than cheer for the team cause more harm to the club than anything. Get over the hard on for Gomez already, he’s a member of the team and would be better off if the so-called “fans” actually tried supporting him rather than burning him in effigy every night because he was handcuffed under the previous regime from Martin. No wonder no one wants to come play for the Habs, why would anyone with a sound mind want to play in front of some of these jackals? Go read the Stubbs interview with Gill again…. they were all amazed price stuck around to prove everyone wrong. These “fans” don’t deserve a winning team if they’re going to behave like this.

• Sorry, Dude, but I gotta call you out on this. If you want to use lame excuses for Gomez, then good luck! He was no more handcuffed by Martin’s system than he was all his years in Jersey by Lemaire. Gomez gets the treatment he does because he’s earned it. It is evident to two million hockey fans in the city that his effort is lacking and you think he should be given a f*ck*ng free pass? Sorry, but rot is contagious. I’ll stick with the fans holding players up to certain standard of giving a sh*t.

“No wonder no one wants to come play for the Habs”

Now let’s see…free agents signed by Montreal in recent history. Prust, Cole, Cammalleri, Gionta, Gill, Spacek, Hamrlik, Moen x2, Budaj and a dozen others that have re-upped.

If better quality players aren’t signing in Montreal, it has to do ONLY with taxes and winning. The best FA’s sign with contenders and Habs aren’t there yet. For the record; the Canadiens organization has not thrown Gomez under the bus – he has a chance too earn a spot in camp like every other player. That treatment from the team actually scores points with FA’s. Many that come to Montreal do so because of its passionate fanbase.

The Stubbs article with Gill does not quote him as being amazed Price wanted to say, only that Gill, in Price’s shoes, would have left. Gill is also on record as loving Montreal and not wanting to be traded last season.

“Carey was over that when I got here in 2009. But after everyone turned on him that season and when (goalie Jaroslav) Halak was the end all, be all, the best thing ever, I said to Carey, “You must be excited to get out of here,” and he said, “No, I really want to make it work.” He wanted to stay after all that? I don’t know, he was stronger than I would have been. I’d have been, “I’m getting out of here, I can’t wait to go somewhere else.” He was awesome, I liked playing for him.”

Last but not least, there is freedom of expression in this country. Fans who pay tickets are free to express opinions on what they are paying for. While hounding Gomez does not improve the situation, that is how some Canadiens fans are, and have been forever. If you can’t live with it, there is a team full of pacifist fans in Toronto that accepts lower standards. See ya!

• HardHabits says:

Dude you rock!

• English is not a Crime says:

I’ll call you right back on it then. If you don’t think the horse crap certain “fans” dish out to Gomez, Price, Kaberle is above and beyond all reasonable treatment, you have no sense of reality whatsoever. These athletes that parade themselves for your amusement are real people, even if they make more money than you and they are going to respond to the way they are treated in the media, by the fans and so forth. Attacking them relentlessly like a pit bull on a bone isn’t going to do them or the team any good and constantly looking for the next victim to sink your overly entitled teeth into is only going to make many players that have other options look elsewhere and/or force the Habs to outbid teams with more sane fan bases for their services. Youre also the first ones to cry when Briere or Lecavalier opt to stay the hell out of this nut house.

You quoted Stubbs article with Gill, showing him state exactly the same amazement that I said he stated and somehow thought this was proving me wrong? However, I will add to this… you clearly know how to find the article, read the part Gill specifically references Gomez in. Sorry if I take Gill and Gomez’ team mates version of things over your’s, but they are far more credible sources as far as what goes on inside the room and on the ice than you are, even if you wrote a book and that somehow makes you think you’re the authority and are entitled. Frankly, when fans behave the way you are defending them for behaving, they don’t deserve the athletes killing themselves on the ice for their amusement. When bloggers or reporters speak about them in ways such as the one that prompted my original comment, they don’t deserve the interviews with the players when they get in their faces later. The same clowns always attacking Price relentlessly will be the ones sucking up to him if he were to win the cup. It’s disgusting to watch on a regular basis for those of us whoa ctually are fans of the team. We get it, you’re not happy with Gomez, Price, Kaberle (insert random target of the week here) but the crucifying of these players CONSTANTLY with every breath you take gets old for the rest of us who are fans of the team and get tired of hearing it all the time after awhile. If you want to be asshole fans, go cheer for the said Leafs (as you put it) and jump on their up and down bandwagon cheering McCabe, booing McCabe, cheering Kaberle, booing Kaberle, cheering Murphy, booing Murphy etc.

You have the right to be an ass on a daily basis and attack all the players for whatever reason, I have the right to call you on it once in a blue moon when it gets to the point that you make me sick to my stomach having to see the same nonsense over and over and over….. deal with it

• English is not a Crime says:

Specific quotes just for Rob

“The message (from the coaching staff) was we need to play as a team with their system. I tried to preach it but the hard part was we didn’t play to guys’ strengths. With Gomez, you don’t expect him to chip it up the boards, you want him to come back and pick it up. If he can’t do that, he can’t be effective. With me, I have to do what I do.”

“I think the hard part for us as players is that we had a coaching change, but nothing changed. Gomer was excited: “Now we’re going to play!” That’s what you need, you have a coaching change and you go from the doghouse to a new life. Guys who weren’t in the doghouse say, “I have to prove myself.” That’s why you get a jump and everyone kind of picks up their game. But for whatever reason, Cunney said, “I believe in the system, let’s go with the system.” I like Cunney, I think he’s great. I just don’t know if he got to (call his own shots).”

Does this mean that was the only thing stiffling Gomez? No, of course not. Does the way the fans turned on him play a factor in it? Of course it does. Go read Roger Maris’ biography and see what he went through in 61, when Yank fans wanted Mantle to be the one that broke the record and try convincing anyone that the venom from the “fans” don’t affect players.

For the sake of making it easy, since you quoted this and thought it proved that Gill wasn’t amazed Price wanted to stay after all the idiot fans put him through for no valid reason….. the key words you somehow didn’t see when you cut and paste them were “He wanted to stay after all that?”. That is Gill expressing amazement that Price wanted to stay after all of that. Not difficult to read between those lines, since there weren’t any lines to read between there?????

65. Timo says:

why are they dragging their feet with Subban? Sheesh, useless pylons like Geoffrion and Diaz get signed and they haven’t even talk yet to PK. Could it be Therrien’s influence of not liking Subban spreading already?

• RGM says:

There’s no need to rush. Much like Price two years ago, Subban’s got no intention of signing an offer sheet and wants to be as respectful of the process as possible. When the season starts (preferably on October 11th) nobody is going to worry a wink whether Subban signed his new contract on July 21st or August 31st.

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• ZepFan2 says:

Why are they dragging their feet with Price?

Oh wait, that was two years ago.

Just chill.

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Timo, it’s inaccurate to say they haven’t talked. We’ve heard over and over that the talks are happening, and that Don Meehan is busy with other contracts. The rest of your post is therefore also not factual and alarmist. There are better subjects to worry about, grounded in reality.

• Marc10 says:

The other guys are seat fillers and probably just glad they got a contract so they didn’t take long. Depth is a problem on the Habs so Bergie was getting cheap plugins.

I’d assume PK is the last one because it’s a long term deal and the team hasn’t necessarily finished its shopping. If (by some incredible miracle) Doan were to be signed or (for the sake of argument) Semin, then I would think they’d need to bury Gomez first, etc, etc…

Point being, there are more variables in play with PK as he’s going to get a good chunk of what’s left and for many years.

66. This is a great, funny quote: “Some GM’s are wolves in sheep’s clothing, but he’s a sheep in sheep’s clothing.”

Who is the sheep, and which GM is the author of the quote?

Both are current NHL GM’s.

67. PrimeTime says:

In Stu’s article re Owners CBA Proposal, clearly Fehr will be taking the same approach as he did as with the MLBPA. Very interesting how he views it but it’s guaranteed the Owners have a different point of view. The PA’s counter and it’s structure will be a good indication if the upcoming season will be played in it’s entirety.

• HabFab says:

The NHL proposal has 0% of being accepted…where does that leave us fans?

• RGM says:

Watching, waiting, commiserating.

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68. JohnBellyful says:

I don’t know how accurate this is but it’s being reported Nashville has put together an offer sheet for PK that includes $5 million a year for three years, a recording contract and a$37,000 singing bonus.

• HabFab says:

PK singing Country Funk and Stud Spider;
http://lightintheattic.net/releases/729-country-funk-1969-1975

• JohnBellyful says:

Great song list but I was surprised to see Am I Double Parked by the Curbstone of Your Heart? didn’t make the cut.
Or If You See Me Gettin’ Smaller, It’s Because I’m Leaving You
I Got In At 2 With a 10 And Woke Up At 10 With a 2
Get Your Tongue Outta My Mouth Cuz I’m Kissin’ You Goodbye
I’ll Marry You Tomorrow But Let’s Honeymoon Tonight

• HabFab says:

Check out the Funky Business song, was actually the one I tried to link.

• HardHabits says:

I hear the album will include these classics:

I’m So Winsome I Could Cry
I Walk The Line (to the best offer)
Gold Miner’s Offer
I’m Moving On
(Money is) Always On My Mind
Walking The Floor Over to My New Team
Walk On By
Sixteen Tons of Money and I Signed
Take This Contract And Shove It

• JohnBellyful says:

(Right now I’m playin’ Moan of Constant Sorrow, by the Saggy Bottom Line Boys, and I’ve got the sound as loud as the Victrola will go)

• commandant says:

impossible Nashville’s offer is illegal, they do not own their second round pick

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• JohnBellyful says:

I’ve emailed Bergie.
Boy, will Poile feel embarrassed!

• HabFab says:

You can’t bring logic, reasoning or the truth… to a “fooz fight”

69. JUST ME says:

I am convinced that once they sit together they will reach a deal satisfying for both . And there will be money left ,not much but still a few millions if we feel the need to go and get someone .We are not one player away, a year maybe but we need patience ,luck and lots of efforts. Its in the player`s hands.

70. m ross says:

Mr Bergevin, sign our Ferrari now!!

71. otter649 says:

Interesting that John Carlson of The Caps who also is a RFA and is not signed & would be comparable to Subban in talent (presently) and contract value. When one of them signs probably the other would also sign for about the same amount shortly after with the scale being set…….

72. Price07 says:

Hey Phoenix has just ove 12 million in cap space to pick up with only one player to sign, before they reach the cap floor. Other teams are in a similar situation. Someone HAS to take Gomer, no?? please?

73. RGM says:

I think they’ll work out a nice little 3-year deal. It will take PK to age 25, and they can fully evaluate whether to go the long-term route (if that option still exists in 2015) at that time when he’s full established himself in the NHL as a top shelf defenceman.

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74. joshbenn says:

First!

• JohnBellyful says:

I think it’s unseemly to engage in this kind of one-downmanship so I will refrain from getting involved.

• HabFab says:

I think that is very classy of you sir!

• JohnBellyful says:

‘Tis nothing a gentleman such as yourself wouldn’t do in similar circumstances.

• HardHabits says:

I find it very disconcerting to see the level of incessant and excessive responding that is going on over here but I am glad to see the example we are setting in refraining from such activity.

• JohnBellyful says:

I share your disconcertment and have lustily expressed my objections to the webmaster about posters wantonly straying into areas that have nothing to do with hockey, which goes against the very essence of what HIO is all about.
I intend to bring the matter up at the Summit, and know I can count on your support.

75. ZepFan2 says:

There are many ways to get by that problem. Trust me.

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76. ZepFan2 says:

That and the sponge bath, eh!

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77. Michael says:

agreed on Bergevin waiting for the outcome of the new CBA ,making a costly move to remove Gomez from the roster right now would not be good business sense.The Habs might be able to let him go with little or no cap hit,there is almost certain to be a clause to address this issue in the new agreement.

-Doc

78. Steven says:

Agreed on almost all counts. The only real mistake in all this is saying that he sucked under every coach he’s played for. He put up some excellent numbers in New Jersey(Including a 33(!!!) goal season), so he hasn’t sucked EVERYWHERE.

That being said, there runs the risk that we’ll be seeing Gomez in a Habs jersey again next year, if there won’t be an amnesty buyout period and sending players to the AHL will still count against the cap(I heard something like that early on. It could still happen, I guess). If that’s the case, you’re better off hoping he succeeds and holding harsh comments until he either does succeed, or continues to stink it up.

But, of course, if we can get rid of him, then awesome, let’s do that.

79. VancouverHab says:

In an interview just few years before he died (now on YouTube), John Lennon responded to question about his spiteful post-Beatles anti-Paul McCartney song “How Do You Sleep” by saying that he since realised that the song was actually about himself.

Lennon had very much such greatness of character.

In that light, Habsolutely, your perpetual spiteful expressions of bitter hatred against a ….hockey player — a man who has not peed in your cornflakes, nor cost you your job, nor impregnated your maiden aunt, nor indeed done you any harm whatsoever — what do think that they are really revealing of? Hmm?

80. Steven says:

I’m sure you could find a way to justify his time with the Rangers, but it’s probably not worth it.

The argument on JM could make sense, considering his defensive system, but then it makes no sense when you consider Gionta’s 2 seasons in Montreal were some of his highest producing, goal wise(in his first season here he was on pace for 36 or something), and Cole and Pacioretty put up career years and the best goal scoring seasons since Kovalev(2 different coaches, sure, but same system).

I think Gomez could turn it around, but that the chance of it happening is depressingly low.

81. joeybarrie says:

I think we don’t look at our own team and see our players in the same light as we do others.
shea weber had 49 points last season.
Andrei Markov had seasons of 58 and 64.
Erik Cole tied for 12th in league goals last season. MaxPac 17th.
Price is currently a top 10 goalie and will become a top 5.
Pk Subban is already becoming a top D.

82. ont fan says:

So you are a big name player, 28 yrs. old and going to sign one more big contract. Where are you going to go? It’s one of the few times when you get to pick your destiny. It comes down to climate, a chance for a cup, a big city atmosphere with a full building or where your wife would like to live.What does the Habs have to offer? At this time, rabid fans. So we have to grow our own and hope they stay.

83. Habfan10912 says:

I agree Joey. If this club was one player away from cup contending I’d be as frustrated as Rainrocket but the club is several players away. We all hope those players will be in Hamilton or in Jr.’s and will be with the big club in the next few seasons. You’ve pointed out the core that can be built around.
I’d also point out that the the Flyers and Rangers have NOT had a ton of success in cup collection and the Wings and Pens built their teams thru the draft as MB seems to be doing. As my old football coach use to say, keep the pile moving forward. I think we are.

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84. mksness says:

price was not a top ten goalie last year. sorry, gonna have to call you out on that. if montreal is to ake the playoffs this year though he’ll Have to be a top 10 goalie

markov had those seasons before his knee was busted up. also note that he produced a large amount of those points on the PP( which is a good thing)

85. The Chicoutimi Cucumber says:

If the Habs become contenders, we will have absolutely zero problem attracting top-end talent. The whole idea that stars won’t come here is a pile of bunk. We saw Gainey run the table on available UFAs, including the hotly pursued Cammalleri, in 2009. That showed pretty decisively that UFAs have no particular hostility to Montreal. Hell, we also saw Jagr say that Montreal was his first choice *after* he’d signed with Dallas.

But as a rule, elite players are not going to be too thrilled at coming to a roster that just finished 27th overall and has more holes in it than Rue Ste Catherine in March.

People are also confusing different issues. Guys like Kovalchuk and now Weber or Nash are not UFAs, they are being pounced at by teams that are *moving assets* to get them. Montreal has not been good enough at developing talent that it can make this sort of move without seriously compromising its future. Nor has Montreal been in the position where we need that one extra push to get over the hump. So selling four picks or reams of young players for that Big Name does not make sense.

There is no secret to the formula. Draft well. Develop the players you do draft. Manage the cap with some intelligence, but don’t be afraid to spend when needed. Get some luck. Hey presto, a contender. We have some of these pieces in place. Now we need to hoard and develop more young talent, to add to the true core of Price/Patches/Subban. Stop looking for easy short cuts.

86. Steven says:

Of course there is, but it’s not as much as in Montreal, that we can both agree on, I’m sure(excluding maybe Toronto on that).

On that note, no free agents of any real rapport have signed in Toronto in ages, and the rest are contending teams, so it’s no big surprise that they can attract FAs