Beantown beat-down

A long and ugly night.

Pat Hickey’s game story

Quotes from the room

• Hickey on the goalie “fight”

Quick hits and About last night …

Arpon Basu on Scott Gomez

Stephen Harris of the Boston Herald offers his view

• Pierre Durocher on Lars Eller

268 Comments

  1. Mattyleg says:

    They do have some good bruisers, but I still don’t think we were dominated physically.

    We never shyed away from going into danger areas, we took and gave hits easily.

    We are not a small or soft team. This is one of those myths that are self-perpetuating. If enough people believe it, it stops mattering that it’s not true.

    As far as size goes, we are well witihin the league average. And as for ‘softness’, we didn’t back down from any fights last night, and we didn’t run away from any checks either.

    I think that people who think this team is ‘soft’ simply have ‘soft’ confidence.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  2. Mattyleg says:

    The Flyers have a different approach coming from the GM. What I said still counts, regardless of what Laviolette’s doing now.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  3. SmartDog says:

    Plekanec line +/-  0

    Gomez line  +/-  -4

    There’s your game story and the story of our season.

  4. forskis says:

    I just read that Boston article and it made me angry…Marchand is an idiot as is the reporter…so apparently gooning it up is ok when you are leading, the Habs are a bunch of cheapshot artists and divers who would rather play hockey than fight, but the B’s are just some honorable tough team…I am sure Krecji appreciated getting dropped with one punch when it did not really have to happen.

    I hope the hockey gods see what happened last night and read about it and brings down some divine hockey retribution….

    “I am guilty of using elipses…”

  5. Cool Ice Price says:

    Price needs to get back in net tonight. He needs a good rebound game.

  6. SeriousFan09 says:

    I think Auld is getting the start tonight, Price had a long night and would do well to recharge and refocus in practice. NYI are bringing out what, their 5th-stringer in nets? Use Auld when the compeition is junk. Habs can’t beat them with Auld they don’t deserve to win.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  7. jimmy shaker says:

     Wow, people talk about MAB and his defensive zone miscues…….I’ve never seen a forward so lost in his zone as Gomez was tonight.  It was shocking how bad he was.  Ak and eller just seemed to be victims of Gomer’s laziness as well.  Now like the rest of you guys on here, I hate seebass sitting up there in the presser, lucheese, thornton, dr.suess horton, flamer farence and igor, basically the whole team……I too was yelling at the telly and getting very animated.  Thankfully the wife and the kiddies were sleeping.  I was yelling at PG to do something, but as I’ve calmed down and thought about the game, I realized that the cubs are a tough team.  Basically they have almost 8 or 10 guys who can throw em, and the habs have what….Moen and I think that’s it.  So we are never going to match them in toughness, so I got that notion of PG going out and signing carkner, neil etc etc. out of my mind pretty fast.  Although Neil would be nice, he wouldn’t be able to take on the cubs roster by himself tonight.   The habs are a small, skilled team who can’t match any team in the fisticuffs/toughness department.  We all have to except that, and understand that come playoff time, this game will never happen again.  Sure it sucks that we got fed, but the boys stood up as best they could, they never gave up, and just need to take care of business the next 2 games, while the wings will take care of the cubs as they play twice against eachother, and by the end of the weekend we can be back up a top of the division where the boys belong.  Cheers, and I can’t believe that I can hate a human being as much as I hate Mcguire, what a pathetic scalped puke.

     

    shaker

  8. forskis says:

    All these teams keying in on PK is also making me start to think that it is not because he is an important player….when teams go 2 or 3 against 1 every time…I am more and more bring out the race card.

    “I am guilty of using elipses…”

  9. coachdoug says:

    You could see this game coming at some point in the season…

    As much as everyone is trashing Lucic and Horton those guys can and will fight and they can play hockey…I think Lucic has more goals than our leading scorer…I would have signed either in a heartbeat if I was GM…

    The fighting isn’t so much the problem as the hard checking and battles on the boards…we have a handful of guys who can play that way…Yapping during the scrums is stupid if you can’t back it up…Bruins cashed it in on a few last night…

    We don’t need a “goon” but we need a few guys who can hold their own in a physical game and fight besides Moen and apparently Benny…

    Players get injured in fights and it does affect them mentally when they play the team again…Bruins did it because they could last night…Habs would have done the same, but we can’t play that game…

    While their is no fighting in the playoffs their is some pretty physical play…we are not ready for that right now…

     

  10. Cool Ice Price says:

    I understand. But if Price played tonight he would not have time to stu about last night;s game though.

  11. SeriousFan09 says:

    Sometimes him stewing on an L isn’t a bad thing, after the 2009 playoffs, he was 6-0 against the Bruins until tonight. He’ll get back in on Saturday and want to serve the Leafs their lunch I imagine.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  12. coachdoug says:

    They are keying in on him because he is going for big hits and yaps during the scrums…they also read the press and know he is the subject of some scrutiny…

    He is also a very good D-man and they are trying to get him off his game like they would any other player…

  13. Big Ted says:

    I don’t even know where to start about last night’s game against the B’s. I guess first of all, let’s just say that neither coach had to be happy with the way their team played defense last night. The players were all over the ice, as if it was 5-on-5 pond hockey and no one really had a position to cover. How many times did we see two of our guys covering one of their guys and leaving another man wide open in the slot or crease? Sadly, this didn’t change as the game went along either, meaning there were no adjustments made. The team seemed to get caught up in the fighting and scoring and forgot altogether about puck movement, defensive zone coverage, or back-checking.

    Usually, after a dirty game like this one, we talk about what penalties were missed, but again, I want to focus this time on not just what could have been a penalty but what could have merited a misconduct or game misconduct:

    - Marchand had two hits from behind and one late hit after a whistle, which started a brawl. He made several hits that put our players’ safety in jeopardy and that is the type of thing we should have had a big guy come and pound on him for. After the game, he had the nerve to comment on the Habs being the dirty team and running interference on him, but come on man, no one’s broken their neck from interference, but plenty have been hurt by slewfoots, shots form behind, and late hits while they’re touching up the puck. Marchand could have easily been given a major penalty on at least one occasion.

    - Price definitely gave out the first shot on Lucic, I won’t argue that, and Lucic came back at him with a push. But then he dropped himself on top of Price, and after the scrum had broken up and the refs pulled him away, he went back at Price for a gratuitous shot late. Giving him an extra two wasn’t enough. This was possibly the moment when the refs lost control of the game, after letting Lucic off easy. He should have received a 10 minute misconduct for unsportsmanlike play after the fight had been broken up.

    - During the brawl after the late Marchand hit, Chara came running in and started hitting Pacioretty after the latter was already engaged with another Bruin. Now I understand Chara had a score to settle, but when your 6’9″ and your half a foot taller than your opponent, have the guts to do it face to face while the refs are there. I thought that was an utterly cowardly move from Chara, the same guy who refused to fight Laraque how many times last year? Nevertheless, the refs let Chara off easy in this case by awarding everyone 2 minute roughing penalties. Chara must have landed a good 8-10 punches and all the players had their gloves off throwing them. This wasn’t a scrum with player holding each other, there were punches flying, and Chara was quite obviously the 3rd man into that fight and should have been expelled from the game.

    - Thomas, on the same play, came flying down the ice looking for a fight. If that’s not an instigator penalty, what is? I think it’s pretty obvious Thomas was the first one to want to fight given that he traveled 170 feet to do so. Not only was no instigator penalty called, each goalie also received the same penalty for “leaving the crease.” However, if you look at the replay, Price was still in his crease and it was the referee who can be seen pulling Price out of the crease. So how can the ref penalize him for that? In any case, Thomas should have been expelled as well for instigating a fight and for doing so while another fight was in progress. The Bruins seemed to think this would be the case also, since they had Rask getting ready and because they have gone through this before and their goalies have previously been sent to the showers for the same thing.

    - Gregory Campbell in one of the last fights, beat Tom Pyatt to a pulp, but the replay shows he was hitting Pyatt repeatedly with the plastic of his elbow pad. Now I know that if a player is wearing a cast or protective gear, he’s not allowed to fight with this one, or it’s an automatic game misconduct and suspension. I don’t see how this is much different. Campbell was using his gear as a weapon and clearly did damage because he cut Pyatt on the cheek. It wasn’t like it was 1 or 2 shots where he couldn’t get it out of the way, Campbell continued to use it even though Pyatt had pretty much turtled and wasn’t throwing punches. This to me was one of the worst offences of the night, and on the theme of the Bruins being hypocrites when it comes to headshots and player safety, it showed zero respect for an opponent. To me, this is a minimum 5 game suspension for a guy who is a repeat offender. I don’t know how the league can turn a blind eye to a guy using a weapon in a fight.

    - Finally, Adam McQuaid attempted to start a fight with Max Pacioretty at the end of the game. And once again, the refs chickened out and gave him 4 minutes for roughing, but when you drop the gloves and throw that many punches to the back of an opponent’s head, to me that’s fighting, and to boot, it’s instigating a fight in the last 5 minutes of a game, which again should have been a game misconduct (a moot point by then) and possibly a 1-game suspension (not a moot point).

    This is not to say the Habs were clean all night, they did their fair share of hitting and fighting too, but I just can’t believe how many possible suspendable or ejectable offences were not taken seriously enough, and then you wonder why the game gets out of control when players get off-setting minors for repeatedly slamming someone in the head. For clarification, this is the official NHL rule on what constitutes a fight:

    “46.1 Fighting – A fight shall be deemed to have occurred [b]when at least one player[/b] (or goalkeeper) punches or attempts to [b]punch an opponent repeatedly[/b] or when two players wrestle in such a manner as to make it difficult for the Linesmen to intervene and separate the combatants.”

    To me, McQuaid meets this definition, as does Chara when he was the third man in.

    Regarding Campbell, I think he meets this NHL definition of what an aggressor in a fight is:

    “46.2 Aggressor – The aggressor in an altercation shall be the player who continues to throw punches in an attempt to inflict punishment on his opponent who is in a defenseless position or who is an unwilling combatant.

    A player must be deemed the aggressor when he has clearly won the fight but he continues throwing and landing punches in a further attempt to inflict punishment and/or injury on his opponent who is no longer in a position to defend himself.

    A player who is deemed to be the aggressor of an altercation shall be assessed a major penalty for fighting and a game misconduct.

    A player who is deemed to be the aggressor of an altercation will have this recorded as an aggressor of an altercation for statistical and suspension purposes.”

    With respect to Lucic going back after Price once the fight had broken up, the rulebook says this:

    “46.5 Continuing or Attempting to Continue a Fight – Any player who persists in continuing or attempting to continue a fight or altercation after he has been ordered by the Referee to stop, or who resists a Linesman in the discharge of his duties shall, at the discretion of the Referee, incur a misconduct or game misconduct penalty in addition to any penalties imposed.”

    This is the rule re: Thomas coming down the ice to start a fight after the original scrum, and note that the original scrum does not necessarily have to be called a fight, just an “altercation,” which is defined as any incident involving two players where at least one is penalized:

    “46.7 Fighting After the Original Altercation – A [b]game misconduct penalty shall be imposed[/b] on any player who is [b]assessed a major penalty for fighting after the original altercation[/b] has started.

    Notwithstanding this rule, at the discretion of the Referee, the automatic game misconduct penalty may be [b]waived[/b] for a player or goalkeeper in the altercation [b]if the opposing player was clearly the instigator[/b] of the altercation”

    Again, after reading over the rules, there is no doubt in my mind several of the Bruins players could have and should have been tossed from this game and failure to do so by less-than-competent refs led directly to more play outside the rules as the night went on, putting the safety of the players and the integrity of the contest in jeopardy.

  14. forskis says:

    I did not see Patrice Bergeron mixing it up last night…does that mean by the definition of the B’s that he is a diving, cheapshot coward too?

    “I am guilty of using elipses…”

  15. SeriousFan09 says:

    Very good breakdown, unfortunately you’re making too much sense for the NHL to take you seriously.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  16. forskis says:

    I will go for your second statement since that is more likely the case….however, I have an issue with the yapping…everyone complains about his yapping during scrums…but ALL teams do it whether it starts a fight or not, so what is the big deal about PK yapping?

    “I am guilty of using elipses…”

  17. BJ says:

    Good observations. You must have some sort of record for the longest post? Good points nonetheless.

  18. Julie H says:

    Besides it’s not like he has thaaat much time to stu. We play the Laughs on Saturday. I’m sure he’ll be back in form by then.

    ♪Your cares and troubles are gone. There’ll be no more from now on. From now on happy days are here again, the skies above are so clear again. So let’s sing a song of cheer again. Happy times, happy nights, happy days are here again♪

  19. forskis says:

    On the bright side…it takes about 10-15 punches to drop a Hab but it takes only one punch to drop a Bruin.

    “I am guilty of using elipses…”

  20. Ian Cobb says:

    On the bright side, it sometimes takes a good licking for a team to get their act together. Including Gauthier, I’ll just bet there will be meetings in the GM’s office today my friends.!

  21. scrowe21 says:

    LOL. Bennys got that reach. Looked good in his fight last year too

  22. Cool Ice Price says:

    Would would think so Ian. But IMO, teh Habs won’t learn or change anything.

  23. Ian Cobb says:

    Just wish he would put in the same effort while playing.!

  24. SeriousFan09 says:

    Krejci has the distinct honour of being the only hockey player to lose fights to Mike Cammalleri and Benoit Pouliot.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  25. forskis says:

    The B’s play the Red Wings next…what are the odds that they will goon it up against the Red Wings?  It would be neat to see Lidstrom kick some butt…

    “I am guilty of using elipses…”

  26. Ton says:

    reading the posts please have some perspective

     

    1. we have had more success than the bruins in the last 30 years

    2. we have worked are way out of getting beat up in the past although its more important to win games!!!!

    3. we have better goaltending and more integrety

    players like Cam Neely and Lucic are cowards. they live the sword and die by the sword. still to this day Neely cries the blues but when he picked the right opponent he would decline and get a beating…….ie corson, wendel clarke.  lucic is the same ex BGL.  they are weak on the blue line and in most cases 6 goals we have won us any game……… relax its not over.  Boston and Philly are alike and we will find a way for we need to re tweak the team and they will the the gate way into the finals for the next two to five years.  we cannot trade away draft picks in order to keep up with boston’s stock pool of youth.  honestly with gorges and Markoff and Cammi I like our chances……..agree?

  27. SeriousFan09 says:

    Yeah, I hear you can get those guys for 5th-round picks these days. Playoff race is wide-open, panic is what results in bad trades and lost assets for diminished returns. This is not a Cup Year and the management knows the needs already, but they can’t rush into a deal to please fans when they want an immediate solution.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  28. Mattyleg says:

    We’re comfortably in sixth, three out of fifth, and four out of third. We got to the conference finals last year.

    What makes you think we need a new coach?

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  29. Mattyleg says:

    I don’t know why everyone is being so glum and apocalyptic!

    Neither team played defensively, and we lost the turkey-shoot, but otherwise, it was great old-timey hockey!

    We dropped the gloves and met them one-on-one. Krejci got dropped with one punch, and we rassled ‘em pretty good. We took our licks too, Pyatt getting a bit cut, and Spatch acting as a punching-bag, but who cares?

    As I’ve said many times, it’s not about who wins the fights, it’s about the willingness to drop the gloves in the first place. Look at Kosto. He lost nearly every fight he was ever in, but every time he threw ‘em down, it boosted the team.

    I’m sure that there was very little doom and gloom in the dressing-room.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  30. SmartDog says:

    There could be a silver lining here if Gauthier goes out and gets us what we obviously need – a hard ass top 6 forward…. and a hard-ass top 4 defenceman too but that’s dreaming.   

    …. and a new coach would be nice but yeah, Christmas is 320-something days away.

    —-

    “It bothers me…there are old coaches in the league today that don’t know how to deal with these young personalities.” – Mike Peca on JM handling of PKS

  31. Cool Ice Price says:

    Spot on BT spot on my good man

  32. Julie H says:

    Most thugs are cowards, so I agree with you there. I think we will be ok. I don’t think we need to stack up on goons. Someone posted yesterday “beat em on the scoreboard, not the back alley.” It’s 100% true. We have speed, finess, we should use those and other aspects of our team game to get points.

  33. Ton says:

    Ian how does one explain it; size, reach, stride, shot, punch…….could it be he’s weak on his skates, he falls alot.

  34. Ton says:

    do u like his yapping? that alone would iniate a comment about emotional stability!!!  play the game, i like him but just play the game…..

  35. SeriousFan09 says:

    The final part of my review of Gauthier’s 1st year as General Manager is up.

    You can catch it here http://bit.ly/gmPDfL

    I’ve also re-uploaded Parts 1 and 2 to my Blog so the order isn’t so weird on the calender listings on the site for those who missed it.

    Part 1 http://bit.ly/gTVrJH

    Part 2 http://bit.ly/i91AVg

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  36. Mattyleg says:

    What do we have to learn or change? Not let in 8 goals? It’s not like that’s happened too many times this season. Not step up and refuse to be intimidated? I think skating away from confrontations is a bad strategy.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  37. Ton says:

    spatch whatever his name is , waive him now, today>gone. he’s an abarrassment.

  38. Julie H says:

    Exerpt from stupid Boston article “Brad Marchand and No. 1 star Nathan Horton (goal, four assists) were after Habs blueliner P.K. Subban all night. Subban is a guy with talent, but he looks to have a few screws loose emotionally”

  39. The Cat says:

    I was glum and apocalyptic before being glum and apocalyptic was cool ^_^

     

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  40. Cool Ice Price says:

    It’s not the size of the dog in the fight, it’s the size if the fight in the dog! It’s doesn’t matter how many times you get knocked down what matters is you get back up! AND the Habs got back up!

  41. adamkennelly says:

    you are one serious “glass half full” dude. I disagree. Team got punked and beaten last night. Worse than the beatdowns in my opinion was our team allowing Lucic to engage with Price and the entire Boston team to target Subban.  How many other teams would allow that stuff to happen.  Its embarassing and needs to be addressed.  You know how you address it- next time we play them – you make sure you have players in the line up ready to challenge Lucic, and Campbell and McQuaid and for good measure – take a few cheap shots at Thomas and Seguin if they have the balls to play him. 

    I agree its not really about who wins 1 fight but when a team clearly dominates you physically – its a problem.  There was no doom and gloom in the dressing room but there was a ton of very very pissed off adult male professional athletes who felt like they just got themselves in a situation that their boss did not properly arm them to deal with. 

    Pleks, Giota, Moen, Patches, Pyatt, Subban – they would all prefer to not have to deal with that crap. 

    Its fixable – fix it.

  42. Julie H says:

    Agreed. Unless he’s trying to be the next Sean Avery, he should demonstrate his prowess and skill on the ice and keep his beak zipped.

    ♪Your cares and troubles are gone. There’ll be no more from now on. From now on happy days are here again, the skies above are so clear again. So let’s sing a song of cheer again. Happy times, happy nights, happy days are here again♪

  43. Mattyleg says:

    What a trendsetter. :P

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  44. Rudy says:

    Agree 100%

    “Start the season with a clean equipment bag and a freah bucket of febreze!”-CharlieHodgeFan

  45. The Cat says:

    A hard ass that would be allowed to take bad penalties once in a while…Not gonna happen with JM… The man had Andre Roy and Rob Ray glued to the bench as the leafs were slowly psychologically destroying the senators.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  46. RGM says:

    A couple of quick responses…

    Carey had left his crease early in the scrum to try and break things up, which is why he got the 2 minutes (and $200 fine, as we learned from TSN after the game) for the leaving the crease penalty.

    I am quite certain that there are going to be some fines and phone calls made today regarding all the brawling in this game. I am shocked that there were no penalties given out for instigating a fight in the last five minutes of the game just to clear some of the dunderheads out and prevent further melees. If we hear nothing at all from the NHL about Campbell using his equipment as a weapon I will not be surprised – gotta protect his kid, Colin does.

    The refs definitely let this game get out of hand. After the scrimmage near the end of the first period, the powder keg had been lit.

    Go Habs Go!

  47. Mattyleg says:

    I don’t think that we were dominated physically.

    They came after us, but we were able to stand up to them. You think that Moen or Subban or Gionta can’t stand up for themselves? You’ve got to be kidding me.

    The days of the ‘enforcer’ are over. IF we get someone who is a big fighter, he’d better be able to play as well as he fights, or there’s no room for him on the team, in my opinion.

    Plus, once it comes down to the playoffs, nobody fights anymore. Look at Carolina. They won the Cup under Laviolette’s strict ‘no fighting’ orders.

    People are over-reacting to this game, in my opinion. I think we stood up for ourselves.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  48. RGM says:

    You’re being too kind. Gomez was -4. The line was a combined -12.

    Go Habs Go!

  49. SeriousFan09 says:

    That’s part of his game though, it’s how he keeps the star players he defends against off-balance. PK is playing his style right now, it’s when a player gets away from his game that he has trouble.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  50. J_P says:

    *Carey Price should not start tonight, and not because I blame last nights loss on him, but because the kid needs a rest.  He should have never started that game against New Jersey (a non-playoff team) on Sunday.  He looked tired, and towards the end of the game, was downright frustrated.  Auld should get the start tonight, and Jacques Martin should come out and say that starting auld tonight was the plan all along. 

    *What a brutal defense from both teams last night.  A lot of the goals were nice, but only happened because everyone had so much time and space to operate.  The Gomez/AK46/Eller line should be ashamed of themselves.  That was an absolute pathetic display on their part.

    *Turning point, IMO, was Desharnais’ brutal penalty in the third period.  Why he didn’t just let the boston player go into the corner, I have no idea.  Desharnais had position on him, and there was no reason to take an interference penalty there.

    *Boston did an excellent job of getting the habs off their game plan.  I admire the fight back, but instead of trying to win the game, and playing defense, the habs were caught running around trying to hit the Boston players.  Team’s need to play to their strengths, and the habs played right into Boston’s.

    *To those of you crying for size, there is no evidence to indicate that having a Chris Neil, Cal Clutterbuck, Derek boogard, or Cam Janssen in the line up would have deterred Boston from playing the way they did.  Boston played their game, and it took us off ours.

    *”Beantown beat-down” as a title is completely played out.  A little more creativity please.

     

    Overall, they need to let that game go and move on.  Tonight’s a great chance to get another 2 points in standings, and they need to be focused. 

     

  51. Grumpyoldhab says:

    Great article Big Ted. Thanks for putting up the rules. My main concern now is I have my doubts about Jackass Jim or PG addressing the breakdown in officiating with the league.

  52. Mattyleg says:

    Thank you.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  53. Stuck_in_To. says:

    That was a bump in the road and should be a meaningless loss in terms of building the team’s psyche. The Habs played as poorly as the Bruins played well and then (for both) only in spurts. There was great push back, there was attempts to comeback and, most important, there was no backing down. Some of Boston’s goals were (I grudgingly admit) beautiful. But on most nights — and especially those nights when Mtl. is playing team defense — those passes do not thread the needle and the rebound to the open side of the net is not uncontested. One thing about Boston though is that they do have the size and the talent to get hot if and when they score first. Had Mtl. scored first you’d have seen a different game. It is a hard element to control but there you go: it is a serious factor when playing a team as good as Boston. But “Beatdown in Beantown”? Come on. Hardly. And just to reiterate, first goal and the speed game and Boston’s big boys are crying all over the ice. Go Habs go!

  54. volcano62 says:

    I absolutely loved the game last night even though we lost. This is hockey I used to watch and adored as a kid. Reminds of old rival games like habs-bruins, habs-nordiques even habs-sabres and habs-whalers.

    With that said, the only problem last night was Gomez. i don’t care how many cups he has, he is brutal on defense and offence and also waste of cap space. Think of what the Habs can get with that 7 M……..

    Sad part is we will never be able to unload him to any of the 29 other teams :(

    What other options do we have?

  55. theremster says:

    Completely agree. People are ragging on Eller, not realizing that Gomez has been in the NHL for 15 years and has done crap the last two games. Eller is still learning, he will be good once he starts putting goals up. Gomez was really the only one scared of physical play last night, as usual…

  56. The Cat says:

    Price and Thomas are friends you know. It was stupid of Thomas to do that however. Neither had intentions of really fighting.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  57. The Cat says:

    Maybe a team with cap space that could use some offense and really really wants to make the playoffs could be talked into taking Gomez…L.A. perhaps?

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  58. TommyB says:

    Excellent perspective of what actually happened last night.

  59. jbroderi says:

    marchand is a little pansy, Lucic is the biggest pussy in the NHL, because he only fights guys smaller than him. marchand was running his mouth after the game about how little Montreal is and how tough the Bruins are. If there was any form of officiating in the game, this garbage wouldn’t happen. I thought the whole point of the “new NHL” was to get rid of all the dirty crap. I’m all for a rough hockey game, when both teams participate, but you can’t be allowed to bully and take liberties on a team and not suffer the consequences with penalties. This game was a microcosm (not sure of the spelling) of the NHL the last couple of seasons. The zero tolerance is gone out the window, with refs letting most things go until they decide to make a cheap call for one reason or another. I am not going to say that the refs are against montreal, because I see these poorly officiated games all the time, but the officiating mostly affects teams like Montreal, who want to play fast hockey between the whistles.

     It is tough to watch a team that should get tons of power plays, get no more, or even less than a team of goons who do nothing but obstruct and take liberties while the refs have their head and whistles up their butts.

    On a seperate note, Campbell should be suspended 5 games for knowingly throwing punches with his elbow pad over his fist. He threw at least four punches like this. He knew that the elbow pad was over his hand and has the responsibility to stop. He could have taken Pyatts eye out. Fat chance for any punishment though. We all know that the clowns run the circus in the NHL War Room!!

     I would like to see Neil, but fat chance that Lucic would even fight with him. We need Gauthier to get a little tougher, but also send the NHL some sign that this is utter BS!! “I’ll take potent potables for 500, Alex” JB

  60. Ron says:

    No doubt PG has to address this type of game. If we are to go longer into the playoffs this season we need to get past the Bruin/Flyer crap and with this team as it sits now we won’t. Maybe Boston and Philly will meet each other and hopefully beat each other to a pulp and make the run a bit easier. I was proud that the boys finished out the game on the ice and not running for the bench. Yes they took some hits in the last few minutes from the fourth line CJ (should be fined for doing it) put out for Boston but the cuts heal and your heart gets stronger by sticking together. PG will have to address the brutality that is now common with this years Beantown tards. In reading the article from the Boston rag posted to this thread it was laughable to read Brad Marchands quotes. When he played in the Q he was a gutless puke then and he’s no better now. Hopefully PK can get an non interrupted few minutes with him at the next outing. It appears he was trying to engage Pk and then have Lucic jump on this back like the komo incident a couple of years ago. No doubt that fag cherry will be spouting his bile on Saturday. Lets get to work PG and make a few changes. Maybe even bring up White and Henry or another of the Dogs crazies for the rematch. Win or lose the rematch this month it would be better to beable to fight back without our senior citizen players getting mugged like last night.

  61. RC-51 says:

    Read somewhere Thomas saying Price showed some class by not punching him when he went down, but he didn’t mention how COWARDLY Thorton,Chara,Campell etc. were when our players were down and they kept throwing punches! That is what pisses me of the most about last night. I wonder if Grapes will say anything about that considering he ALWAYS praises guys who fight and don’t punch when a player is down, probably won’t because it was his Bruins and the VICTIMS were the HABS!

     

     

     

    Not to mention Marchand’s late hit on the icing!

  62. The Cat says:

    Well I think I heard Price say on -RDS perhaps- that they did some sort of goalie school together, and Thomas said that his going up ice was just business and nothing else that he liked the guy…I couldve been groggy though. Irregardless, neither had the mien to actually fight, Thomas swung maybe but I dont think he wanted it to connect. Lame fight through and through.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  63. PrimeTime says:

    I will admit that part of me enjoyed the game last night. It was entertaining and I’m happy our guys didn’t turtle and put their tail between their legs. Would I want a team that plays goon hockey? No. Would it be nice to have a couple of “larger” players that could face up to it when needed but for the most part that era is gone and not likely to come back. Boston was a pissed team. We beat them more often that Betty Crocker beats eggs. They, rightly or wrongly, feel we are a “cheap-shot” team. I still feel we are the better team but as Boone said, Habs did not play the style they need to play to win.
    I hope the best outcome of the night will be abetter Gomez. He owes his team much more than he gave last night. I have not praised or sh*t on him like many this year he owes his teammates an apology. And that must be followed up with much more determined play. If we can get that out of him for the remaining games and the playoffs then last nights Beantown Beating was worth it.

  64. SLYDER says:

    really?

     

    somebody needs to remind you where Laviolette is currently coaching….

     

    okay, i will…..ever heard of the Philadelphia Flyers?

  65. TommyB says:

    I wanted to comment about the “goalie fight”. First of all, there wasn’t really any reason for Thomas to head down the ice. He could have skated to centre and watched to see if Price would join the action in that end, and then he could go charging in to even the numbers. But Thomas felt like being a Big Bad Bruin in front of the home crowd, so he ran down there. He gets there, only to realize that “holy sh#t, this kid is big, and I’m f’n old”. So he grabs onto Price’s sweater and hopes to hell Price doesn’t land a good one. I give Price all the credit in the world here. He showed a great deal of class. There was only one way Price could win in that situation, and it was by doing what he did, which was to just hold Thomas and not pummel the old gent. Price would have been crucified in the press for beating up an old man, or he would have been ridiculed in the press for getting beat up by an old man. Looked like a no-win situation for Price, yet he found a way to come out on top. One smart young man there.

  66. N.B.habs fan says:

    What bothers me the most is the 3 players sitting out most of the 3rd period,should of had them out there to get their butts kicked for hiding on the bench.time to have these guy in the press box and bring up a few bulldogs that have more heart .I REALLY HATE GOMEZ………

  67. Hobie Hansen says:

    I’d have to agree Gauthier is finally thinking of doing something about our inability to play in games like last night’s.

  68. TommyB says:

    It was stupid of Thomas.  The only reason I can think of for him doing it is to give the home crowd something.  It was obvious even to him when he got there that it was stupid.  But he did take one good swing at Price, and had he connected we could be looking at Auld for a few games in a row.   You say they are friends, I don’t know where you get that from, but I have no real evidence to contradict that statement.  However, TSN was showing a clip of Price trying to make conversation with Thomas during the ASG-draft, and Thomas clearly seemed to be tuning Price out.  Friends?

     

  69. Displaced says:

    Shhhh.  Don’t let people hear you dissing Gomez.

    Who’s leg do I have to hump to get a dry martini around here?

  70. SeriousFan09 says:

    We’ll know tonight Ian what the throwback to 70s hockey did for the Habs. Hopefully this fires Pouliot up. The kid is not a self-starter is his issue, seems to need someone to inspire him to get his butt moving.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  71. J_P says:

    Dean Lombardi refused to sign Kovalchuk, who’s cap hit is only 6.6 Million (granted he’s signed for eternity), you think he would commit to taking on $7.3 million scott gomez for another three seasons? Wishful thinking lol

    IMO, the best chance to unload Gomez would be after next season.  Even though his cap hit will remain at $7.3million for another 2 years, his actual salary drops to $5.5M and $4.5M for the last two years, making him attractive to a low budget team trying to make the cap floor.

  72. 123456 says:

    not only thomas but krejie got his but kicked and hte habs player stopped throwing – luchic is a pansy, does he ever hit someone while looking at them ir is it always from behind. well didn;t expect a seson sweep so what can you do.

    gomez eller and ak46 need to step up or sit….. yes i call eller out bc he managed to be a -4 in under 8 minutes.

  73. adamkennelly says:

    we WERE dominated physically – its not a matter of opinion.  Gionta, Subban, Moen can certainly stand up for themselves but they should not have to, Moen needs some help.  Are Lucic, Thornton, McQuaid, Chara, Campbell “enforcers”…nope, Thornton is the closest thing to one and he has more goals than anyone on our bottom 2 lines.  Face facts – this team is small and soft and opponents know they can dominate us physically, a game like this has lingering affects.  Don’t forget we LOST them game.

  74. Mr. Biter says:

    i would also like to see Neil however i doubt that’s going to happen as teams rarely trade skill or goons to divisional rivals.

  75. TommyB says:

    It might have reminded me of those old days, and it might have been enjoyable too.  Except for one tiny problem.  And I mean “tiny”.  I don’t enjoy watching my team get a beat down like that.  The Habs cannot match the Bruins or any other “bigger” team in the fighting or intimidation department.  In the old days, they could give as good as they recieved, if not better.  Last night saddened me.

  76. CH1909-2009 says:

    Harris wants it both ways… Subban is stoically refusing to get involved, but at the same time has emotional screws loose? Illogical, conflicting tabloid homerism right there.

     

    GO HABS GO

  77. Top Corner says:

    “Suban has some screws loose”…???

    Well, a 20 yr old with emotions…sure.   I would LOVE to see how Seguin reacted if he was run all night cheaply by a bunch of goons.  I bet his cheeks would be a bit more red……..

    Overall i have yet to see a rookie handle the media and the game so well in there 1st year…..let ‘em hate….there rookie sensation was watchin from the crowd :)   Which made me wonder how much of last nights goon fest was pre planned…..havin the noob sit out like that , out of the blue…..wierd !

    Really liked how ‘most’ HABS stood there ground last night….every fight was great (- Spaceman…poor fella  LOL)  Iam with everyone else too though….havnt harped on Gomer yet myself…but….what was that last night…hell if i was in that rink i think i would have fought someone…..an usher…hot dog guy…someone   Eghhhh….he exerted more energy the other night yelling at that ref then he did in this entire game  WHY?

  78. The Cat says:

    Well said! If not Price can do a Billy Smith special on Lucic or anyone else as well.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  79. Timo says:

    I’d rather not have any of these guys period.

  80. Displaced says:

    This is not addressed to you, but to the HIO commentariat in general.  How come Arpon gets a hall pass for calling out Gomez and the posters who have been saying the same things here are vilified as trolls?

     

    For the all the “Gomez was a leader on the Devils Cup winners” discussion, he played 16 minutes per game during their last Cup and scored a whopping 55 points (admittedly, good for third on a low scoring team). He was a (Calder Cup winning) Rookie for his first Cup, so it would be difficult to label him a veteran leader of that team.  In short, he’s good not great.

     

    The reality is, Gomez is a top 5,6,7 scorer on most teams, who gets far more assists than goals, a decent (not great) +/- guy on traditionally defensive NJ teams, who is either the funniest or douchey-ist professional athlete I have ever seen interviewed (IMHO, the latter).  For some reason, Sather saw fit to give him a totally warranted contract.  For some reason, Gainey chose to pick up that contract, his attitude, his intangibles, and his 60-point seasons.  I have no idea why… But then I am not the GM here (and neither is Bob).  Slats and BG have been in this game and done a lot more than most people, so I have to assume they saw something in him that I just don’t see. 

     

    I wish he wasn’t here.  He is.  We get to live with the crappy starts to the season, the embarrassing interviews, his defensive lapses, his willingness to skate up ice at high speed and cruise back to his own end, all offset by an occassional hot streak.  A $7.3m per year mixed bag.

     

    Who’s leg do I have to hump to get a dry martini around here?

     

     

  81. Storm Man says:

    Tom go and chat with some Oiler fans and you will see what I mean about Penner. He plays on a crap team at this point and sure he takes nights off what player does not. I think a team like Montreal and and city with the crazy fans we have would lite a fire under his butt that would give us that power forward we have been looking for. If you can find a better power forward at the trade deadline that is not going to break the bank to get him, Let me know im all ears.

  82. Mark C says:

    7 career NHL fights, Penner is not the answer.

  83. Wayne says:

    From the Boston Herald article: “Marchand said. “We had a couple of goals lead, so you can kind of step up and take liberties on guys or answer the call.”

     

    F’n hate this kid already!

  84. TomNickle says:

    Were you not just giving somebody else hell for just focusing on statistics Tim?  I’m sorry but I don’t see what you do with Penner.  He’s better at maintaing puck possession down low than Pouliot and Kostitsyn, but he’s unbelievably inconsistent.  That’s the reason he doesn’t fit into their future plans.

  85. slapshot777 says:

    I agree Tom, watching Penner play, he doesn’t show any toughness, other than his size he really doesn’t adress any need for the Habs. Like you said he is basically another AK46. If i have to chosse one over the other, I rather keep AK46, just for the skill alone (when he decides to use it).

     

    To you from failing hands we throw the torch, be yours to hold it high.

  86. Storm Man says:

    none of the two players you are talking about can shelter the puck or drive to the net like penner can. he has a 14.9 shooting percent at this point and 18 goals with 34 points where would that put him on this team? think of this team with a top 6 looking like this.

    Penner-Pleks-Maxp. Plexs would smile 24/7.

    Cammy-Gomez-Gionta.

    I see alot of Oilers games live and just watch what Penner does and you put him with a good center he does great just like he did last year.

  87. KenD29 says:

    Cherry will be praising Marchand for going after Subban!

    Tonight we skate with them, Tonight is our night!

  88. Storm Man says:

    I hope the reason for that is Eller is going to be up in the press box.

  89. TomNickle says:

    Any word on whether or not Ference will face league discipline for his slash on Plekanec last night?

  90. The Cat says:

    Not only that, but by bringing him on the bench, JM could have touched his stick once again for good luck, JM failed to realize that the previous touch had expired what with the goal just being scored.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  91. StevieRay says:

    or Gomez is ..gone

  92. HabFanSince72 says:

    Pyatt did not look good at the end.

  93. Storm Man says:

    You found the game dull? are you on glue?.

  94. jimmy shaker says:

    Or Chara slashing Patch as well? I’ll give you and all of us the quick answer. NO! No to farence, no to chara, no to marchand for starting it all with the hit on the iceing, no to Mcquaid for killing spacek, no to thomas for leaving the crease and no to campbell for punching with his elbow pad.

    Shaker

  95. Habfan29 says:

    Why do we not send Gomez to Hamilton, bury him there? Does his salary count against the cap? If not do it and use the money to get some one useful!!!

  96. Storm Man says:

    JM should have put Gomez, Eller and AK46 out with a few mins left in the game to see if any had some heart and balls wearing the best jersey in all of sports.

  97. The Cat says:

    From what I saw though, Id say MaxPac does look for it at times.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  98. forskis says:

    Considering that the only things by reporters last night were two unnecessary fights at the end…probably not.

    “I am guilty of using elipses…”

  99. punkster says:

    I appreciate you posting that Stephen Harris article much the same way as I appreciate a good dump after a long night with the boys in a bar. Kind of cleanses the soul (among other things) and sharpens the senses. What that article reaffirms for me is that the Bruins have zero chance of making it far in the playoffs and the Habs would be blessed to face them in a series. That team of neanderthal nincompoops wouldn’t stand a chance.

    ***Subbang!!!***

  100. Mark C says:

    No, but what are you gonna do with the cap space? Sign some sweet free agents?

  101. PeterStone says:

    I was at the game when BGL chased him around the ice asking him to go .. he refused all around the ice.  Still .. we picked Maxwell one spot ahead of him.

  102. wall2bay says:

    I F’n hate the whole team!!!  Last night just reminded me why I hate them more than the Flyers and Laffs!!!

    “I kind of feel sorry for players who never got a chance to be a Montreal Canadien” – Cammalleri

  103. TommyB says:

    Any coach who is ahead of things, would have a cake with one candle on it ready for the rookie when he returns to the bench.

  104. J_P says:

    I still dont know if I would take it.  At least were only stuck with gomez for another 3 years.  We would be stuck with lecavalier through 2019-2020 with an annual cap hit of $7.7M…..OUCH! For Stevie Y, Brian Lawton is the gift that just keeps on giving lol

  105. Mattyleg says:

    I’m with Tom.

    Penner is a big guy who plays small. He doesn’t have the heart or the drive for Montreal hockey.

    He’s a moper.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  106. mrhabby says:

    maybe the unwritten rule is teams don’t send vets to the minors…although Souray and Redden have been sent down this year…maybe the habs are just to nice to do it…

  107. Mattyleg says:

    I liked your post-game response last night, Punky.

    I wanted to reply in support, but the server kicked me out.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  108. TomNickle says:

    He adds nothing that we can’t get out of our current roster Tim.  Pouliot carries less weight but him and Kostitsyn play a game that is strikingly similar to Penner.  Penner comes at $3 million more than Pouliot and $1 million more than Kostitsyn and brings nothing more than those two.  Their consistency dogs all three of them.

  109. TomNickle says:

    I’ve got a bit of a rant to go on here about last night and the majority attitude about what role fighting or fighters should have with the Habs.  I’m in favour of fighting under the circumstances last night obviously and welcome it when opposing players go after my goalie, but there is a style of play here that will intimidate the opponent which needs to be employed because, let’s face it, Travis Moen did handle Ference but outside of him and Wisniewski we have nobody who can strike fear into opposing players.

    1.  When an opposing player runs your goalie, you gang beat him.  At any age that I can remember, at any level of hockey, somebody on the other team even entertaining the thought of taking liberties with my goalie ended up on their back or on their face, and it’s a team mentality.  So, if the Habs aren’t willing to do this, Jacques needs to tap Pyatt or another kid on the shoulder, and they need to go full steam into the opposing goalie.

    2.  When a cheap shot is taken, you respond in kind, not by giving the other team what they want.  The rule of fighting for any smart player is that you do it on your own terms.  When Marchand went full speed into Wisniewski on the icing last night our team gave them exactly what they wanted.  A penalty trade off that sent Gionta and Pacioretty to the box.  Or simply put, the only wingers we have playing even half decent right now.  And on top of that, the Bruins wanted a fight, that’s why Marchand did it.  So, the appropriate response to that is to wait until somebody like Kampfer, Mcquaid or Seidenberg goes back for an icing and hit them so hard, whistle or no whistle, that they end up in New Hampshire.

    3. The cheap shots on Plekanec and Subban.  Subban takes a shove from behind from Lucic, that means you respond by doing the same damn thing to Bergeron.  Ference takes a swing at Plekanec’s leg, okay, so now we’re gonna have Wisniewski do his best take one of Lucic’s legs off.

    Like I said, I’m all for fighting, but our players don’t instill any kind of deterrent.  So, with that in mind, you do need to have an intimidation factor and we lost that with Lapierre to a certain degree.  Some teams wouldn’t take liberties with us because they knew that Lapierre was close to the edge and might just haul off on their star player with a cheap shot if they tried anything.  We need to be able to create that mentality in the opponent ongoing.  Because Moen beating the hell out of Ference doesn’t matter when Spacek, Hamrlik and Pyatt are bleeding all over the ice.

  110. The Cat says:

    Gomez, AK and Eller, 3 underachievers together. It was written on the wall that the line would suck. If the habs ever get comfortable in the standings or a game is out of reach, Id be tempted to see Pouliot go at centre and put Gomez on the wing.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  111. Mattyleg says:

    Yes. Ride the adrenalin.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  112. dh says:

    Probably not. But what about PK getting cross checked, tripped, slashed all night by someone obviously targeting him?

    Sorry guys but IMO “old time hockey” sucks almost as much as Pierre McGuire and Benoit Brunet combined. All that was missing was CBC covering it so we could listen to Donald F. Cherry crowing.

  113. Storm Man says:

    Tom to say he is like AK46 is all wrong. When do you see him live? He is a 6’4 close to 250 pound man has a good ability to pass the puck,battles for the puck and wins 80 percent when he goes for the puck. If you put him with a good passing centre watch what he can do. FYI you don’t need to fight when you have size.

  114. BJ says:

    Just looked up a few Youtubes on Crombeen. Here is his NHL start 3 seconds into his career vs Moen. Looks pretty good.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHxrVGgfJ54

  115. habs-hampton says:

    JM did one thing (actually lots of things) that had me yelling at the TV. After Weber scored his 1st NHL goal, he left him out there for the rest of his shift. Why wouldn’t you bring him off to savor the moment for a few minutes. I was hollering for him to change because a guy like that is naturally distracted for a few moments.
    The adrenelin is flowing heavy. They drop the puck and Weber lunges at a guy and the puck’s in our net.

    JM should be more aware of what his guys are thinking all the time.

  116. TommyB says:

    You can’t be serious. Rookie gets his first goal, so yank him off the ice so he can sit and savour it. I’ve heard some strange things, but that one really surprises me. There’s still a game to be played out there, and if I were that rookie, I’d be thrilled that the coach kept me out there after my goal so I can continue to complete a decent shift. Plenty of time to savour the big goal later.

  117. The Cat says:

    Yes! Show a mean streak FFS. One gesture can go a long way, keeping the opposition honest as opposed to being a doormat. Next time theyll think twice.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  118. jimmy shaker says:

    Wow, I think harris went to the same school edwards and brickley went to.  The school for leftover, waste of skin bias puke high.  Can’t wait for Marchand to make his next appearance vs the boys…..those comments that he made are bulletin board material for the next 2 years.  What a little joke this jabroni is!

    Shaker

  119. notbigbird says:

    Perfect. Love it.

  120. Rudy says:

    Ryan White recalled, one game too late.

    “Start the season with a clean equipment bag and a freah bucket of febreze!”-CharlieHodgeFan

  121. habs03 says:

    He gave Pleck a two hander in the back. I think Moen tried to get Lucic to go with him after the Bruins made it 2-0 but nothing came of it.

  122. filincal says:

    Say what you will about Laraque and his “code”, when we played the Flyers and Bruins with him in the lineup not once did any running of our players occur. It was only when he was injured and not playing when teams took advantage of our size or lack of it. I’m not calling for a goon per say, but a couple of “gritty, mean” d-men are in desperate need. We can’t have our skill/only type of players getting taken off the ice for five minutes or worse carted off injured.——————————

     

     

     

     

     

    I BLEED BLEU BLANC ET ROUGE!!!

  123. punkster says:

    :)

    ***Subbang!!!***

  124. habs03 says:

    Were 8-2 vs Boston in the last 10. All that really needs to be said. Say what you want by the Habs held their own until the end when they Bruins goons were classless punks, Ference hitting Moen when he was down. Boyhuck(sp) and Thorthon going after Spacek and Hamrlik, and the best was Campell using his eblow pads to hit Pyatt.  

  125. HabFanSince72 says:

    Therein lies the difference between the C-H and the spoked B.

  126. Exit716 says:

    I love how Harris implies the Habs are cowardly and never answer the bell, but after the second Bruins goal Lucic skated away from Moen’s invitation. Lucic never answers the bell against Montreal unless it’s someone who he can hit from behind or someone the size of Gionta.

     

  127. HabFanSince72 says:

    Thanks. I missed that.

  128. habs03 says:

    I guess Pouliot should of kept hitting when he got Kreci down, and Price should have killed Thomas when he was down.

  129. TomNickle says:

    Actually, his first NHL goal came in a playoff game against Boston a couple of years ago.

  130. N.B.habs fan says:

    Wouldn’t it be nice if GOMEZ said that he is all washed up and wanted to give back the money he is stealing from the team and hang his hat in Alaska in his arena.I would be ashamed of my self for lettin it go this long .GOMEZ PLEASE QUIT.

  131. Mark C says:

    Here’s a fun stat: Shawn Thornton has more fights this season than the career totals of Spacek, Hamrlik, and Pyatt combined, that’s over 2,100 NHL games.

  132. PeterStone says:

    Dude , hadnt you noticed, Gomez quit long ago.

  133. Mattyleg says:

    Yeah, a bit too much like a basketball game. Goal-goal-goal-goal… I prefer a tighter game.

    And my glue of preference is Aylmer’s. And I eat it.

    ;-)

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  134. mrhabby says:

    do you think the habs add some muscle to the team and iam not talking Ryan White.

     

     

  135. The Cat says:

    lol

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  136. HabFanSince72 says:

    That John Scott fellow is a monster but I don’t think anyone dares to fight him.

     

  137. Mattyleg says:

    Everyone’s so upset.

    Boo-hoo.

    I wasn’t crazy about the no-defense-pond-hockey kind of game; I found it dull.

    I did like seeing us drop the gloves and refuse to be intimidated. I’ve been disappointed recently that we haven’t fought a bit more, and have been getting chippy stick penalties instead.

    This isn’t going to bother us too much, to be honest. It was a bit of a whatever kind of game in the end, but the scattering of gloves and sticks in the corner made me nostalgic.

    And for those of you who just want to say “But we got beat up!!! Waaaahhh!!!” I say, rub some snow on it and get back in the game.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  138. habs-hampton says:

    I feel bad for Eller. Playing with these 2 guys for part of a game and getting benched is doing NOTHING for his development. It seems like at least 5-6 games this year, he finished the game nailed to the bench after a mistake. He needs to spend the rest of the year in Hamilton where he can dominate, not as a punishment, but for his development.

    As for his 2 teammates last night, I have no idea what to do with them.

  139. HabFanSince72 says:

    Someone here suggested a straight up Gomez for Lecavalier deal.

    I bet more of us would take that deal today than yesterday.

  140. StevieRay says:

    It would appear Marchand has forgotten the ” rookie” code …as PK so often is reminded off.  Hate to say it ..but ..maybe Marchand is doing it the ” white ” way …

  141. adamkennelly says:

    BJ Crombeen, Pierre Luc Letourneau Leblond, Matt Carkner…done…should be able to get all those guys for less than a couple of late rounders…Crombeen may cost more but the Blue’s owe us one or two – thats how it works isn’t it.

    2 of them can play regularly and PL3 brings the home grown toughness when needed.

    do it.

  142. The Cat says:

    The Wiz coming off injury logged the 2nd most icetime on the habs last night. Hal Gill has sucked as much and he is a pansy.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  143. TomNickle says:

    Lucic should be more ashamed of himself for refusing to fight anyone who can see it coming.  He`s really tough when Subban has his back turned.  But when Moen and Wisniewski wanted a piece of him he couldn`t get far enough away.

  144. Cool Ice Price says:

    The Habs needs a big forward who can score & fight. They don’t need a goon who can’t score.

  145. Timo says:

    Not true. I rag on Cammilleri and AK as well. Hammer and Spach I don’t expect much from. Forget the physical stuff, they were crap as far as D goes last night.

    The particular reason I rag on Gomez is his salary. One million per goal output is no good. Don’t give a flying F about your team – no good. Laughing and chatting with AK on the bench while the rest of their team is getting beat up is no good. Taking selfish retaliation penalties – no good. Being -14.

    He is useless. He does nothing at any level to justify even 1/10 of his salary.

    All he does is cracks some smartass comments that media loves to eat up and make him a good guy again.

    Here are some of the reasons – hope it’s enough.

  146. J_P says:

    I agree.  Eller has the goods, and will probably be an excellent player for this organization in the future, but just like paccioretty needed a little seasoning in the Ham to build up his confidence, so does Eller.

    PG needs to have a nice talk with Eller before sending him down.  Let him be a top player, and the go-to guy in Hamilton for a while against weaker competition.  The pressure of being the key piece is a deal that sent a playoff hero out of town, coupled with the change from center to wing, and his young age, just seems to be touch for him to overcome at this point.

  147. LA Loyalist says:

    Tom, you can’t have it both ways — Gomez has been vigorously defended in these pages all year as a team leader, veteran, cup winner, blah, blah, blah – ( yeah there was LOTS of competition for suckitude last night and other nights when this team has mailed it in) — but those other guys haven’t been held out as the example of the character and intangibles and leadership of this team.

    So is Gomez accountable or not? If yes, then he has to take the whipping. If no, then why the f is he making $7.35 M for doing nothing?

    Because Gainey was stupid enough to give it to him?

    You can’t have it both ways. 

  148. TomNickle says:

    He`ll never bring enough to justify his salary.  But I`d rather pay him that close to $8 million than pay Hamrlik $5 million and Cammalleri $6 million.

  149. punkster says:

    Muscle for muscle’s sake? Goons? 4th line players who would see 3 minutes a game? No. Since October I’ve hoped for 2 players; an additional, big, solid D, in addition to what we had then and a top 6 forward in addition to what we had then. Through injuries and trades we have not improved but of course would look pretty damn good if Markov and Gorges were back. What last night showed me is that the most serious requirement is for the D.

    ***Subbang!!!***

  150. habs365 says:

    He played it smart..didn’t want to take a penalty..I really don’t think he was scared

  151. TomNickle says:

    We don`t need anymore Andrei Kostitsyns

  152. Mark C says:

    It’s pretty simple Timo. Basu used relevant information to make his case, whereas Todd just harps on irrelevant information like salary and Gomez getting kicked out of a game in which the outcome was already decided.

  153. habs365 says:

    anyone whom called what we watched last night “Hockey” don’t know what real hockey is….what I saw was..

    UFC-8  Habs-6 

    Embarrassment to the NHL..and any fan who enjoyed watching that, if you don’t know what UFC is..watch it sometime way more skill, and they kick ass because that’s what their sport is about..the NHL is suppose to be skilled hockey players..gotta be kidding me..and just think..fans pay big money to watch such a embarrassment unless some fans like watching this type of thing..count me out any sport with skill I pay to watch…..

  154. Storm Man says:

    Cough…. Penner in Montreal is something this team needs asap. I think he would be a good player on this club. We need size Tom before the next game March 8.

  155. punkster says:

    Thanks. It was old time hockey, we lost, we didn’t quit, move on.

    ***Subbang!!!***

  156. adam76 says:

    Hamrlik brings veteran leadership to this team.  When used properly, he is a huge asset.

    Gomez did not compete last night, in one of the most important games of the season.  He has taking MANY nights off the last couple of months.  He desserved to be boooed back to Alaska, and it has nothing to do with his salery.

  157. adam76 says:

    So your “solution” it to cheapshot?  

     

    Montreal is not a goon team, we can’t fight and we are not dirty.  Use our “speed” and caplitalize on the powerplay is the only way we can beat teams like Boston or Philly.  Also – hope our starter can keep it under 8 goals.

  158. sidhu says:

    Basu’s article on Gomez is a must read. 

  159. Storm Man says:

    You dont need to fight to be tough. Number 19 who played in the 70′s had how many fights?.

  160. TomNickle says:

    Are you frigging kidding me?  If I read one more time that Hamrlik brings veteran leadership I’m gonna be sick Brad.  Vigorously defended is something that certainly has NOT gone on.  You’re dellusional if you think that.  And if you’d like I will find some time and put together a little compliation of what’s been written about him over the last four months.  

    Gomez shouldn’t be held accountable to his salary, he should be held to the same standard as every player who isn’t a rookie on the team.  He’s expected to contribute offensively and defensively and be a smart player who contributes to team success.  He’s had a bad season.  But you know what Brad?  The only players on this team who haven’t had a bad season are Subban, Gill, Plekanec, Gionta, Price, Pacioretty and Weber.  So with 6 out of 20, tell me what in the hell Gomez has done to incur the wrath equal to the other 14 who should be hearing the same thing.

  161. TomNickle says:

    You seem to like my sometimes eccentric coaching anecdotes so I’ll share one with you.  In a playoff game a little more than five years ago, three players jumped my captain on the boards in front of my bench.  One slew footed him and two others jumped into the pile and the three of them were punching him behind the play for around ten seconds.  On the ensuing faceoff I moved my biggest defenseman who goes about 6’4 to the left wing for the offensive zone faceoff to jump their captain who was about 5’10 immediately.

    In the following two years that I coached that team not a single player from that team took liberties with any of my players after watching their captain get massacred.

    The message is that if you target my skilled players, you won’t have any left by the time we’re done.

  162. slapshot777 says:

    Your wrong, as you so often are. It was Sather who signed Gomez to that contract not Gainey. Try and get your facts straight when posting your comments. Gomez, is aveteran who had a bad night and by all accounts I would classify this as a bad season for him. he is not the first high profile player to have gone through this and he won’t be the last. Gomez right now as to look himself in the mirror and pick himself up off the floor and try to turn things around. There is still 28 games left and lots of time to salvage the season for him. It is now time for him to do it.

     

    To you from failing hands we throw the torch, be yours to hold it high.

  163. Habfan29 says:

    yes, anyone who will wear the CH with pride….

  164. arcosenate says:

    I’ve never read anything like that Stephen Harris piece before. It’s stunning that something like that is in a newspaper, a blog page maybe but in a newspaper? Incredible.

    Maybe the Gazette staff needs to get tougher too, can any of you guys take that guy to the wood shed?

     

     

  165. HabFanSince72 says:

    Well said.

    Although you have to wonder why Moen started any of this. And also why with Thornton, Campbell  and Marchand on the ice he picked on Andrew Ferrence.

  166. krob1000 says:

    That is exactly how I took it last night…we had noone to answer with a dangerous act.  I don;t want a goon who fights a goon….but we continued to try and hit them clean, while they repeatedly took long runs and made questionable attempts…on anyone…they even tried to tattto Gionta a few times..and nobody did a thing.  LApierre would have went after someone like Bergeron or Krejci and that would have been enough to worry the BRuins.  The running of Subban was ridiculous, the running of Price ridiculous, the running of Gionta and targeting of Pleks..ridiculous…they can say all they want about POuliot and Krejci…but Krejci squared off…and let’s not forget it was KRejci who fought Cammi in December….and shortly after Cammi hurt huis shoulder (likely a coincidence..but).

  167. TomNickle says:

    Is there a particular reason that Gomez is your focus?  I haven’t read one post from you giving the gears to Kostitsyn, Cammalleri, Hamrlik, Spacek or Wisniewski.  All of these players have had games as terrible if not worse than Gomez and just as frequently, especially in the cases of Cammalleri, Hamrlik and Spacek.

  168. habs-hampton says:

    well said. and when Wiz gets slew footed, slew foot Chara in response.

     

  169. The Cat says:

    Why then dont the habs cheap shot them back?

     

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  170. habs-hampton says:

    The B’s are yapping about PK refusing to fight. He was ready to go with Horton until the idiot Lucic jumped him from behind. When was the last time Lucic went mano on mano with anyone his size? (Suckering a guy when the linesman has him pinned doesn’t count).

  171. NCRhabsfan says:

    I couldn`t agree more. Last night was an embarrasment for the NHL and both teams. They should suspend Claude Julien for losing control of his team.If not I guess the Habs bring up three or four goons for the March 8th game and they start punching out Bruins as soon as the last notes from the National anthems die out. You don`t bring a knife to a gun fight, if it`s UFC you might as well come equipped for UFC. Go for the talented small guys, its what the Bruins do. No class at all. None. Its why they never win the big prize.

  172. Timo says:

    I agree. I long advocated “break the stick over their faces” approach. Use the stick, use the skate… respond in kind mean hurt and injure. Really hurt. And really injure. Put them out of commission for a season. What’s NHL going to do?! 5-6 games max? So some guys won’t go to strippers for a couple of weeks. I am sure the rest of the team can chip in and buy their comrades a few lap dances.

  173. TomNickle says:

    I’m two paragraphs into the article Basu has done on Gomez and while I respect his opinions and Gomez has a very large share of the blame for last night it’s very concerning that one of the most respected up and coming hockey writers covering the Habs doesn’t know who’s responsible for coverages on the rush or defensive zone.  He attributes Seidenberg’s goal to Gomez not picking him up.  If he’d like an explanation as to why that goal was Andrei Kostitsyn’s fault I’d be happy to give it to him.  But the centerman is to be in place for puck support in the defensive zone, not to keep an eye on the defensemen.  Very novice analysis.  And he should’ve considered this when saying that Bergeron was Gomez’s man on the first goal, ya know, when he blames Gomez for allowing Bergeron to make a pass to Marchand for the opening goal.  Funny thing about that goal, Wisniewski allowed Marchand to get behind him with no effort.  That wasn’t mentioned in the article.

  174. LA Loyalist says:

    Because the justification for him being here was: leadership, experience, character – valuable things even if he’s not putting up points, very little of which is on evidence this year.

    I LOVE defensive fwds, Carbo, Gainey, Mike Keane, Skruds… I’d take any of those guys in a heartbeat, wouldn’t you?

    I’m not asking that he light it up, just leave it on the ice every night, that’s all. It’s like the doctor’s motto: “First do no harm” – cover your man, don’t take a stupid offensive zone penalty, make smart plays…

    if that’s too much to ask, I’m sorry. I really am.

  175. Mark C says:

    He doesn’t fight or hit, what does he do to be tough?

  176. ClaytonM says:

    But Jack Todd types zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz into names, doesn’t that make it credible?

  177. TomNickle says:

    The next time we play them I would have Conboy, Henry, Festerling, Bonneau and Ian Schultz in the lineup.  I would make it a complete gong show and I wouldn’t let Lucic run away from Alex Henry.  I would gladly take the instigator and suspension to have Henry make him look like a side of roast beef.

  178. habs-hampton says:

    Of course we hate them. That’s what makes it a great rivalry. And they’re stil our B*****s! One game out of four and don’t forget, there’s no fighting in the playoffs in the NHL. We still own them.

    But I don’t hate them as much as the Flyers. And the Laffs… that’s just pity…

  179. TomNickle says:

    I watch him live Tim.  He’s Andrei Kostitsyn.  Inconsistent, sometimes gets involved physically.  We don’t need another player like that.

  180. mrhabby says:

    100% agree…

  181. Timo says:

    So now that Aaron Basu gives business to Gomez (and not Jack Todd), does it have a bit more credibility? Or is Gomez still beyond reproach?

    After sleeping on that embarrassment last night I still don’t feel any better. It is still humiliating. Sadly, nothing will change in a forseeable future, as it seems from the comments that nobody in the dressing is greatly upset about this. Ah well… you fellas like getting beat up, all the power to you.

  182. wall2bay says:

    Iginla

    “I kind of feel sorry for players who never got a chance to be a Montreal Canadien” – Cammalleri

  183. Timo says:

    Eller is not an NHLer… The only reason he is in the lineup is because of the Halak trade. Not his fault but fact is a fact. He should be sent down (along with Gomez) and develop into what Max Pac has developed.

    AK should be dealt. Somebody said last night that if were are keeping him only because we think he’ll be better with some other team that it’s wrong. Deal his a$$, bring in some equally worthless player but who can drop the gloves and break a few faces and I’d say it is a good deal.

  184. LA Loyalist says:

    Gainey has no responsibility for Gomez contract? Is Glenn Sather managing the Habs? Please explain. 

    BTW, I’m not particularly blaming Gomez for last night, though he was brutal. I’m blaming JM for not preparing the team for a specific opponent AGAIN.

    And my general point is either Gomez is accountable or he’s not. You can’t decide on a game by game basis.

    I’m going to watch the Habs/Rangers greatest comeback game tonight, from the 100th anniversary DVD set, just to cheer myself up a little.

  185. PeterStone says:

    I dont see us getting Neil or Carkner, I would be surprised if the Sens trade them to us. I was thinking … Jared Boll in Columbus, Bryan Allen in Florida, Konopka in the Island .. a nice move would be Clarkson in NJ but thats another longshot

  186. Exit716 says:

    That Stephen Harris guy is a real professional. That was the most objective and non-biased hockey story I’ve ever read. Mind you, I’ve only read hockey stories written by kids in Grade 1.

    What a clown.

  187. J_P says:

    That’s the problem with these heavyweight guys, its easy for the opposition to just walk away and not fight.  We need physical players that can make the other team during the play.  Guy’s that the opposition needs to keep their eyes on at all times.  A guy that makes the opposition think twice about skating down the middle. 

  188. BJ says:

    Gauthier, Gauthier, hello Gauthier! Here is a short list pick 2 of these four guys and trade for them: John Scott, Steve MacIntyre, Theo Peckham or Colton Orr. I would like some suggestions or additions to this list. I selected these guys keeping in mind that it wouldn’t cost us too much. I suppose Chris Neil would be a good addition but at what cost if he was available?

  189. RGM says:

    Damn him and his lack of telepathic abilities!

    Go Habs Go!

  190. HabFanSince72 says:

    The city of Boston has a perfect binomial distribution in terms of intellect. People there are either Harvard or MIT profs, or they are knuckle-dragging morons.

    The Harvard profs are baseball fans.

     

  191. Jimmy9Toes says:

    I agree 100% with you on this one. But i highly doubt that PG or JM will do anything different the next time we meet. If i can recall we had Alex Henry up for a couple of games a few years ago and he fought both times, didn’t make too well if i memory is correct, but all he has to do is fight one of there skilled non fighters like the Bruins did last night. Luchicken is scared of anyone that knows how to fight and i feel bad for Tom Pyatt and Jaro last night as they got schooled, but hey they answered the bell and i think it goes a long way with there teamates and coaches to show they will do whatever it takes.
    I was on another website today and read a blog by a Bruin writer and he defended everything that happened last night and said that the Habs deserved everything they got and in fact started most of it. Sounds alot like the Leaf fans, when they do something stupid they justify it and blame the other team for starting it.

  192. wild flower says:

    Seems a bit like a rookie who has not earned the right to be so cocky. Hopefully Richards and Cherry call him out, or Julien sits him for a while.

  193. LA Loyalist says:

    I saw Penner in LA about a month ago from the 7th row. He looked terrific, stuck his nose in, went to the net.

    That was only one game, but I would have put him in the trunk of my car and driven him to Montreal if he would have fit in the trunk.

  194. krob1000 says:

    Fire with fire… when it gts to that point it has to be done.  They had guys running around charging at every Hab in sight….there were about a dozen attempt to injure calls that ocurred but they becames so fequent they became acceptable…had someone actually been hurt on one any one of them would be front page news. It was pretty disgusting by the BRuisn..but we didn’t respond…which was equally as disgusting.  Last night had me wishing we had Sheldon Souray back…not BGL …Souray would not have stood for that…and I know many on here love Gill and respect his D work but with the makeup of our d corps we need our shutdown guys to be no nonsense guys…Wiz helps a bit but he is too valuable to lose most of the time so he has to pick his spots.  White would have helped last night too….he is a team guy who immediately would have responded to the very first issue.  We need a tough dman and a capble forward…I know you disagree but I would take Chris Neil.  We need a tough dman…Subbana nd Wiz are too valuable on the ice, Hammer and Spatch can;t do much, Gill either, Weber is not equipped for that game either.

  195. Storm Man says:

    Hmmm it was Gainey that gave Gomez 7.35 Mil a year. LA who is the stupid one again.

  196. TomNickle says:

    There is a large hypocrisy in what the Bruins are preaching.  They want Subban to fight, they chase him, goad him, take cheap shots, but when somebody tough is ready to go, he’s gone in the other direction.  Remember when Lucic said it was a mismatch for him to fight Laraque after his huge celebration following the Komisarek fight?  Lucic wouldn’t fight Laraque after being chased, goaded, but without the cheap shots.  So why does he get a free pass for eluding Wisniewski and Moen?  Why is it that every time, and last night wasn’t the first time, that Moen wants him, he can’t get far enough away.  The reason is that Lucic is gutless, he’ll fight players he knows he has an advantage over, and if it’s anybody who can give him a good go, he’s gone.

  197. Storm Man says:

    Do you watch him live? or do you look at stats?.

  198. Mark C says:

    I haven’t seen a lot of him lately. Don’t get me wrong, he’d help this team, but given his contract and what it would take to get him it’s not worth it, IMO. He under uses his size and isn’t that much more offensively productive than any of the current top-6 wingers.  I also have a hard time believe one player like Penner would make some magical difference.

  199. HabsChick says:

    Every once in a while I pull this old ESPN article out and have a little chuckle.  Today seems like a good enough day.  If nothing else, a game like last nights’ will surely bring back a casual hockey fan or two, instead of just us die-hards.

    Some Old Emotions are Bruin: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/080421

    “It was almost like Guy Lafleur came into the living room and punched me in the face.”

    Gold.

  200. Chester says:

    Thank you for that.

    I read it three times.

  201. jimmy shaker says:

    Man, when hammer was getting drilled, and spacek and patch and pyatt and pleks and PK, I was yelling at the telly for someone to come off the bench and do something, no matter the cost penalty wise or fine wise by the NHL.  But then I said to myself who on the bench can come off the bench and do anything to any of the cubs players…..the short answer was nobody.  I was waiting for Nilan or Robinson to show up but it was all for not.  The habs are a different team now, so I digress.  Hopefully the league does something to the cubs, but I won’t hold my breath.  Let’s rebound tonight, and hope Auld can turn in a good performance to boot!

     

    SHaker

  202. The Cat says:

    Personnally, I think a bench-clearing brawl was in order, but you know JM, he didnt want to squander a potential PP opportunity.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  203. Mr. Biter says:

    Unfortunatly until we bet bigger a bench clearing brawl would just have been a chance for more Bruin goons to pick out smaller opponents. i now feel no pity or remorse for Savard’s concussion just wish someone would do it to Lucik.

  204. adam76 says:

    Everyone with a ticket tonight, please boo Gomez, Eller and Kostitsyn into oblivion.  They eed to know this effort level does not fly in Montreal.  

  205. punkster says:

    Well, this comment shows just how much of a Habs fan you are.

    ***Subbang!!!***

  206. Oddball says:

    I’d rather boo you.

     

    ..always with the negative waves, Moriarty, always with the negative waves..

  207. Mattyleg says:

    Nothing like a fan that wants to boo his own team.

    Way to go big guy.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  208. notbigbird says:

    The schoolyard mantra is to pick on someone your own size. Can’t help but notice that the Bruins operate in reverse. I forget who that thug was fighting Spatch at the end, but he should be ashamed of himself. As much as I hate Philthy, I will cheer myself hoarse if and when they face the cowards of last night.

  209. RC-51 says:

    That COWARD was Thorton

  210. Habfan29 says:

    Do you really believe that, come on..I know Gauthier can be dumb but not that dumb. Just Durocher trying to stir the pot. again!

  211. Storm Man says:

    Was Durocher on a 3-way call when this offer was made? Or was he looking at his magic 8-ball.

  212. Mark C says:

    Who knows? It is worth noting that many prospect publications ranked Eller ahead of Couture heading into this season. Even if true, it only really looks bad in 20/20 hindsight, and who knows what the future holds for both players.

  213. BJ says:

    With our managements foresight, talent selection and player development abilities, what else could one expect.

  214. volcano62 says:

    I would of done that trade straight up.

  215. HabFanSince72 says:

    Pierre Durocher suggests that the Sharks offered Logan Couture for Halak in June and PG refused.

    Ouch.

    Or as Benoit B would say “Aye aye aye”.

     

  216. TommyB says:

    That comment did make me laugh. Thanks, I needeed that.

  217. joshua94k says:

    It was a strange night last night. However, without key players such as Markov, Gorges and Cammalleri, the Canadiens scored 6 goals against the the supposedly best defensive team in the league and the NHL’s supposedly best goaltender. They also scored 6 goals playing 3 lines all night. (You can’t include Gomez, Kostitsyn & Eller because they didn’t show up last night).

    The powerplay scored four times which is a positive that they have to build on. Pacioretty scored twice and was +1 on the night when the opposing team scored 8 times. He has been a great addition to the team since his arrival in December. Desharnais scored his 4th goal since being recently called up. He as worked hard and is another great addition. Subban scored his 7th and is also hot offensively since late December.

    When Cammalleri comes back, who will be his linemates. We need another Plekanec. The Pacioretty, Gionta, Plekanec line are playing great right now. Cammalleri is on fire when he plays with Plekcanec.

    If we can only solve the Gomez dilemma… It seems everyone who plays on his line starts to struggle.

    Despite being down all night, the battled and tried to come back. On a night when they abandoned the Jacques Martin school of hockey, this is what happened. But one bad defensive game isn’t the end of the world.

    “It’s too much for one guy to shoulder. For us, we’re going to do it as a group. It’s about sharing that responsibility win or lose.” – Mike Cammalleri

  218. J_P says:

    Great post.  Love the optimism. 

    I will just disagree on desharnais.  Sure, he scored, but he also took a REAL stupid penalty that led to the Ryrder goal, which was the nail in the coffin.  There was no reason to take that interference penalty.  He had position on the boston player, and all he had to do was the follow him into the corner. 

    At this point, Cammy should play with Gomez, although I would love to see Gomez have his minutes dramatically reduced, and see Cammy play with AK46 on a line centered by Desharnais.  AK46 and Gomez on the same line is an absolute disaster.  They’re both way too lazy.

  219. mrhabby says:

    we scored 6…didn’t win the fight .

    what i really hated is how we lost the physical game oh and don’t say we battled to the end. sure BP one timed the other guy.iam not talking about fighting, all over the ice most of players were run over and the resulting frustration was having guys like hammer ,gionta, spacek drop there gloves.  what a joke seeing older vets get pummelled like that. drives me mad.

    do i want some more size and the odd player or two to drop the gloves and issue some payback against this type of thing sure do..i would like some more grit and toughness and iam not talking about the colton orrs, boogards of the world…just some nastiness but yet plays 10mins a game…a player or 2 thats makes the other team stand up and notice.

    I was always a gomez light supporter. he has experience and knows how to win. in a game like last night a complete no show…is this wake up call he needs from what will be a very bad year if he keeps that play up.

    Hope the team has a big wake up tonight.

    damn i am pissed.

  220. TommyB says:

    “…what a joke seeing older vets get pummelled like that”.  That must be part of the “respect” around the league that young punks like Subban don’t get.

  221. Chester says:

    I’m in agreement. The Beaners have always been a sad excuse for a hockey team, but this drivel from a newspaper just explainswhy they are the way they are.

  222. HabsChick says:

    The Stephen Harris piece is brtual.  Absolutely brutal.  Do they really allow “articles” like this in a newspaper?

    “The referees also let the Canadiens get away all night with blatant interference on forechecking Bruins.”

    The multiple quotes from Marchant are embarrassing.  I can’t believe Cherry & others have called out Subban for “rookie code” conduct and Marchant says things like,

    “I think half the time they didn’t want to (get involved physically),” Brad Marchand said. “But they didn’t really have any choice.”

    “We had a couple of goals lead, so you can kind of step up and take liberties on guys or answer the call”

    “When their guys are running around out there, our guys keep asking them to fight and they won’t. There’s a point where guys just start dropping the gloves and throwing.”

    Subban was asked to fight throughout the night — four times on one shift, according to Marchand — but he always took the safe way out.

    “The refs saved Subban there because Looch was going to kill him,” Marchand said.

    Honest to God, I’m in disbelief.  Of all the loudmouths in hockey, I’m not sure I’ve seen this kind of sh!t talk.  And not to mention, from a rookie.

  223. Nahlsy says:

    Maybe the coach told him not to fight “Looch-chicken”. I’ve heard that happens quite a bit…. ask Julien huh Lucy?

  224. HabFanSince72 says:

    Denis Gauthier is indeed  joke. L’antichambre is not known for the quality of its analysts, however they appear to have gotten rid of the two most idiotic ones: Dave Morissette and “Le Baron”.

    I would say Tremblay and Gaston Therrien are the two most thoughtful people on that show. Tremblay is no dummy, trust me.

    I think the data show he is wrong about the need for goons, but I don’t think anyone would have minded having one last night.

  225. HabFanSince72 says:

    Tremblay to Yvon Lambert, game 7 against the Bruins.

     

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l22FV4105p8

     

  226. Mike Boone says:

    I agree with you, especially as regards Alain “Le Baron” Chantelois.

  227. Ton says:

    the franco anglo war continues…………… i was raised in the province and know all about it…….people are finding ways to make an excuse.  Tremblay meant well. his heart was at the right place……. Roy was no saint either and difficult to coach. Tremblay was a warrior as a player and would have taken on anyone yesterday. took Bobby “Snot” out with a punch and took out Statsny out on good friday. he’s won 5 cups also and scored key goals against Boston in the 70″s and 80′s. I say no more…………..

  228. HabFanSince72 says:

    Ronald Corey and Rejean Houle bear far more responsibility for that disaster.

     

    But yeah – Tremblay screwed up too.

  229. Cool Ice Price says:

    What that goof says goes in one ear & out the other with me. He’s the reason Roy left & I can’t get that out of my head.

  230. SeriousFan09 says:

    If what you just mentioned is the best Tremblay can come up with to explain what the Habs need to do fix the team up than I question how useful his understanding of the game is. This is also the network that’s invited former garbage player Denis Gauthier on at times. I’ve yet to hear much this season from fellow Habs fans that Tremblay’s anything but another griper on L’Antichambre.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  231. HabFanSince72 says:

    That’s a bit unfair. Tremblay spent many years in the NHL as player and assistant coach. He was a very popular and succesful player for the Habs (10th all time scorer!), and he knows the game. No one would say no to a player like him right now. 

    Yes his coaching stint went poorly but he is  very well-spoken  and fairly thoughtful.

    As to why RDS is employing French Canadians? Well, I’m used to Hab fans from Stephen-Harper Land bitching whenever the Habs sign Francophone players, but it is a French TV network after all.

  232. CH1909-2009 says:

    It plays into the Habs’ favor that the Bruins think they won because of the tough stuff. Reality is, next time the Habs score 4 PP goals and still lose will probably be in 17 years. We can only hope the rest of the B’s are as delusional as Marchand. Once again we see the double standard with PK where there are 3-4 guys that are that chirpy on every team but…. they’re white.

    Anyhow, it still would be nice to see some toughness at the trade deadline… what would you give up for Andy Sutton and Geoarge Parros?

     

    GO HABS GO

  233. mrhabby says:

    i have to go out and buy a new remote after last night…i think i lost it a bit when our family cat and dog spent the night under the one of the beds hiding. my wife thiught i was crazy…nothing drives me wild seeing the lack of respect showing the vets. give me some more grit or nastiness. our 3-4 lines and defence were torn to shreds.

  234. Mr. Biter says:

    A believe it’s time for Subban to become involved in a fight. He ‘s a big boy and should be able to lake care of himself and thiat would shut up a lotof his critics. If you do a lot of “yapping” (see yappy Lapy) and don’t get involved you do get a bad rap. Has anyone ever seen PK fight  when in the AHL and how did he do? Also bring up Bonneau today.

  235. HabFanSince72 says:

    I think Boychuk.

     

  236. Mattyleg says:

    Correct.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  237. Mark C says:

    About #5. You called Gomez out after getting kicked out of the NJD game because he was giving the refs an earful, yet it seems you lionize the Rocket. You see the hypocrisy here right?

  238. SmartDog says:

    Yeah, you can’t knock Gnome-ez.   People get upset becuaes they don’t want to believe what a hole in our line-up this guy is. .

    What bugs me is this “I need to be better, I am a veteran leader” BS.  He’s reading clippings and repeating what he’s read.  He thinks he’s more than he is.   No wonder he’s having a bad year though, playing behind Plekanec who is supposed to be a 2nd line Center and anyone who plays with Pleks lights fire and then they go with No-goal-mez and sputter out.  He’s  not dumb, he knows what’s going on.  But excuses are just excuses. I wish he wouldn’t make them.

    “It bothers me…there are old coaches in the league today that don’t know how to deal with these young personalities.” – Mike Peca on JM handling of PKS

  239. HabsFansince49 says:

     

    Here are some thoughts:

    (1) Hardly blame Price; he was miraculous in the 1st period.

    (2) Hardly wothwhile blaming Spacek, Weber and co. – not only did the D collapse, the whole team collapsed defensively.

    (3) As many have said, we do have serious problems with big, tough (not goons), fast lines such as Boston has.

    (4) The boys  (most of them) did fight back again and again last night, which shows character & guts.

    (5) A few days ago I wrote in HIO that Gomez is an embarrassment to the organization; several of you were pretty upset, one even claimed I was an embarrassment to the organization (go figure that out). I rest my case and will say no more about Gomez after last night’s awful showing.

    Now let’s move on – see how they respond tonight and more so on Saturday night against the “resurgent” Leafs.

     

     

     

     

    I don’t pretend to be an expert; just a die-hard Habs fan passing my opinion

  240. Julie H says:

    Teams wouldn’t need “thugs” if the league would be responsible enough to eliminate stupid hits and fights.

    ♪Your cares and troubles are gone. There’ll be no more from now on. From now on happy days are here again, the skies above are so clear again. So let’s sing a song of cheer again. Happy times, happy nights, happy days are here again♪

  241. Cool Ice Price says:

    It’s ok for them cause they don’t have to go out on the ice and get slaughtered right.

  242. BJ says:

    Agreed. Its obvious to everyone, if he can’t move, move him out. What is Pyatt doing on a 4th line? We need at least two tough, grit guys.

  243. bolder says:

    PG and JM are two f***** idiots, to think that this team does not need a couple of enforcers. I’m really puzzled that the Molson brothers can stand by and watch their team get beat down like this, and still allow that stupid f*** manican behind the bench, run this team!

  244. J_P says:

    I dont get the hate for Pouliot either.  In the off-season, it’s going to come down to AK46 or Pouliot, and I would keep Pouliot in a heartbeat.  The guy just needs to some skating classes, or to do one of those martial arts that focus on balance, because he’s always tripping over himself. 

  245. Habitoban says:

    Where is Bugs?!?  His boy Poolio does an very tidy job of being the only Hab who wins a fight and what it gets him is more complaints about his compete level.  Where is the evidence that he doesn’t play hard every night?  Certainlt the stats don’t show that (goald pre TOI, # of hits).  Maybe if he had a short choppy stride he would look busier like some other young players who are applauded for working hard. He is young, talented, and to my eye, quietlty improving in all parts of his game.   

  246. Kooch7800 says:

    Pyatt should be back with the bulldogs.  He has zero offence, isn’t physical but is good defensively. those players are a dime a dozen

  247. SeriousFan09 says:

    Boston has that ability to turn bright young men into knuckle-dragging ego cases.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  248. scrowe21 says:

    I can’t believe all the sh*t that Marchand has to say..must feel tough after hitting Hammer from behind, and charging Wiz on an ICING call. They act like they beat us up…yet Thomas got handled by Price, Pouliot KO’d Krejci, Moen had a good fight with Ference…the only fights they won was at the end of the game when they literally jumped 3 non fighters. 

    I hate that little punk. I wish Subban had have ended his season with that hit a couple weeks ago.

  249. lefreak says:

    after reading the comments from both sides in that bruins article…..the bruins fans are ignorant, but some of you in habs nation that posted on there equally need to brush up on hockey knowledge. It can be embarassing to think that you support the same people as these idiots.

  250. SeriousFan09 says:

    All those big-time universities around Boston and this is what you get for journalism in that town, go figure.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  251. scrowe21 says:

    LMAO at the Boston article. Not even any point in complaining about how dumb it is cause Im sure even they know.

  252. JVF says:

    That Boston Herald piece… that’s journalism?

  253. Cool Ice Price says:

    “best thing that could happen was for us to win the game and have the last laugh” Really Flopper? You are lucky that Carey took pitty on your fat sorry Arse! You got away with an extra 4 min there Mr. Floppy!

    “Revenge is a dish best served cold”

  254. Nahlsy says:

    What Beatdown? It was a two goal game, the Habs won all three legit fights and the Bruins sent a group of cement heads to jump 3 non-fighters trying to save some face for losing their first several attempted attacks because they got tired of getting their butts handed to them in fair fights. 6 fights, Habs won 3, Bruins won 3 because they were ridiculous mismatches. Congrats to the cowards and I am sure they’d feel the same way if Laraque had grabbed Bergeron and pummelled him into the stone age. All Thornton did was show what a gutless punk he really is.

    Sending Probert and Kocur out to beat on Kurri and Tikkanen wouldn’t have made the Red Wings tough, it would have made them cowards. However it’s not the Red Wings that have a yellow stripe down their uniform and do their best to deserve it, it’s the modern Bruins. Jay Miller doesn’t have Mats Naslund or Jari Kurri on his fight card because he had a set… the guys on today’s team don’t know what a set is.

    Bruins today don’t like fair fights with people in their weight class, and people that know they are coming, one at a time. They look to pick on guys half their size, who don’t fight and still need to jump them from behind when someone else has them tied up… right Luchicken? Shows the Bruins are gutless.

  255. BJ says:

    Detroit was a much better team over the years but still had more toughness (McCarthy for one) than we have now. I think this is a good preview of things to come with bigger and tougher teams. Its the fourth line that needs serious muscle.

  256. SeriousFan09 says:

    Why should anyone care what Tremblay thinks, honestly? RDS’s hiring policy seems to be “French Canadian, spent more than 20 minutes in an NHL Job” these days.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  257. HabFanSince72 says:

    Mario Tremblay on l’Antichambre reiterated his belief that the Habs need an enforcer. Or maybe two.

    He pointed out that Jacques Lemaire had 4 thugs on the Wild (to deal with Western goon teams like Brian Burke’s Ducks) and he  wanted a 5th. Everyone nodded in agreement.

    Here’s the problem with Le Bleuet’s argument. In 8 seasons under Lemaire the Wild made the playoffs only three times, and lost in the first round twice. Their record in the playoffs was 11-18.

    Meanwhile Detroit never had an enforcer and were always last in figthing majors. Their record was somewhat better than the Wild’s.

     

     

  258. dre1744 says:

    not only was Gomez -4 he was also an awesome 0 – 7 in the face off circle….. What a bum they should sit his ass for a few games!!!!!!

  259. Scotty90 says:

    OK, I think i’ve settled down now! I watched my team get man handled last night in the physical department and for someone who watched the Habs since the early 60s’ it was difficult to watch. we need toughness now, real scary toughness, no codes (a la George), just big, mean, intimidating toughness! Perhaps the addition of a Chris Neil and a Bieksa, players that can play and go toe to toe with the best of them, and a Carkner on ‘D’ would go have changed the outcome of last night’s game. However Gauthier is the boss and its his decision.  Anyway we know what to expect in the playoffs.

     

    I feel badly for the Habs knowing they’ll be used as punching bags. Little wonder why the big name skilled players don’t want to come here…. there isn’t anyone to protect them on the ice.   Mr. Molson… please step-in and make sure Gauthier addresses the issue.

     

    Sorry folks…. i don’t comment here much but i just had to vent.

  260. Scotty90 says:

    OK, I think i’ve settled down now! I watched my team get man handled last night in the physical department and for someone who watched the Habs since the early 60s’ it was difficult to watch. we need toughness now, real scary toughness, no codes (a la George), just big, mean, intimidating toughness! Perhaps the addition of a Chris Neil and a Bieksa, players that can play and go toe to toe with the best of them, and a Carkner on ‘D’ would go have changed the outcome of last night’s game. However Gauthier is the boss and its his decision.  Anyway we know what to expect in the playoffs.

     

    I feel badly for the Habs knowing they’ll be used as punching bags. Little wonder why the big name skilled players don’t want to come here…. there isn’t anyone to protect them on the ice.   Mr. Molson… please step-in and make sure Gauthier addresses the issue.

     

    Sorry folks…. i don’t comment here much but i just had to vent.

  261. BJ says:

    Repost from the last blog:

    Watched the game and read the posts. A lot of good points by HIO posters regarding our ability to compete against physical teams like Boston and Philadelphia. I mentioned earlier this season that our team is too unidimensional and that our lack of size and toughness would be an issue particularly in the playoffs. If Gauthier does not see this by now they should find someone else to replace him. If Martin also thinks they don’t need toughness Geoff Molson should find them a good retirement home where they can play bingo. Having said that we can’t go out and just get goons for the sake of it. You need tough players that can play. And I don’t mean top 6 players. But surely we can improve on our fourth line grit and toughness. I said last week that Pyatt brings nothing to the team, here is one spot that could be filled with toughness. Its great to skate all over the place when you are with the Ice Capades (if they still exist) but this is hockey. Also for the first time since he was traded to the Habs I can say I would now look at a way to move Gomez (if anyone would take him) and use the $$$$$$$$ for size and toughness. We have enough small players that play somewhat the same.

    As I’m not really familiar with all the teams, so from more informed posters here, what are suggestions to increase our size and toughness who may realistically be available and could help the team.

  262. habsfan1001 says:

    Anybody tell that idiot Marchand it was suppose to be a hockey game not the WWE. Also remember BGL chasing “Looch” all around the ice one night and that coward wouldn,t fight. This has become Goon hockey . Should we stock the team with big  goons that can’t pass, skate  shoot or score – something like oversized Gomez’s and AK’s, or try to get players no matter what size that has talent and are exciting to watch. I would take the ladder myself.

  263. HabsFansince49 says:

    Hardly hypocrisy Mark! Gomez is not worthy to tie the Rocket’s skate laces.  Here’s my point (and I’ll shut up about Gomez) -the Rocket gave more than his all! He embodied the ideals of the organization; some would say even French Quebec. And Gomez…well…need I say more?

    I don’t pretend to be an expert; just a die-hard Habs fan passing my opinion


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